Anyone else not interested in Oppenheimer because it's a whitewash?
The US were needlessly barbaric. Just Meetinghouse, Nagasaki and Hiroshima caused over 200k civilian deaths in a matter of hours.
68 civilians died in Pearl Harbor and we have to remember it forever even though it was probably allowed to happen just like 9/11 or the Maine.
I can't stand to see Matt Damon quipping about nukes. America is the great Satan and no US/UK war movie will ever portray it accurately.
Didn't Nolan describe Oppenheimer as a horror movie?
that paints the americans as the good righteous guys in the whole endeavour
They should make a horror movie about the Rape of Nanking.
why would they make a movie about something that never happened?
stop swallowing chinese propaganda
i bet you believe in the rape of belgium as well lmao
i mean they already made tons of movies about the holocaust and that didn’t happen either
doesn't mean we should keep spreading lies does it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun:_The_Nanking_Massacre
There are a lot of people who hate America on this board. The nuking of the mainland was necessary. The Japanese were prepared to fight to the last man including civilians. The death toll would have been horrendous had we invaded. Some people need to read a book. Too much presentism.
>that paints the americans as the good righteous guys
Because they were you fishmouthed zipperhead.
>Japan did nothing wrong
Open your fricking slant eyes and stop regurgitating Nippon propaganda.
If Oppenheimer is a horror movie, the Us government isn't the monster.
Americans/Brits do movies about war bad, they're about some guy feeling sad about all the blood on his hands. There's never real criticism of higher ups.
The only exceptions are films about foreign militaries like Paths of Glory.
>Americans/Brits do movies about war bad, they're about some guy feeling sad about all the blood on his hands. There's never real criticism of higher ups.
that was really only true before vietnam. Movies like 'born on the 4th of July' , 'Apocalypse now' were both anti-war and anti-American government.
I thought Apocalypse Now was very much about American feelings. They commit atrocities and move on. Viets are non characters.
Its about Americans feelings in the sense that what actually worries them are things they can't control. They don't actually care about the atrocities or the vietnamese, they care about the tiger in the woods both real and metaphorical.
you will never be a woman
Every August the US apologizes again and again for dropping the bomb. We should stop.
>Rice status: COOKED
While you're right about America being the Great Satan, the atomic bombings are a meme. Far more Japanese civilians died in conventional firebombing than in the atomic bombings, and to equal the amount of civilians killed by the IJA in Asia they would have had to do Hiroshima and Nagasaki every day for a year
The sailors who were bombed while chilling were not combatants, so stop being a liar. Doesn't even matter, if you start the war, conduct yourself horribly throughout, and then refuse to surrender after warnings, you've got it coming. Should have glassed the entire rock.
>sneak attack without declaring war
>try to fight the most populous country and the two greatest naval powers on earth at the same time
>surrender in the face of certain defeat would be dishonabaru
Maybe Japan should have been less moronic
Does anyone outside of the US actually believe the narrative that nukes were a necessary evil to end the war?
The Western front was over and Japan was on its last legs.
And even if the war had continued for years, how could the death toll possibly have been higher than it was after two nukes?
Is this the first time you’ve heard about this?
Invading the mainland would’ve killed much more on both sides, and the Emperor wasn’t willing to surrender.
Why should the US risk a single extra American life? Lol.
>just land dude who cares if you lose another 100k American boys LOL
Nah. Bombs away! 🙂
>And even if the war had continued for years, how could the death toll possibly have been higher than it was after two nukes?
Anon, more people died in the east than in Europe. So many Chinese died that they aren't even sure of an accurate number, somewhere around 20 million is what a lot claim. More people would have died if the war continued for another 3 weeks than those that died in both nukes
I think he was talking about American casualties.
Do you think the USA gave a crap about the Asian victims of the Japanese empire?
>Does anyone outside of the US actually believe the narrative that nukes were a necessary evil to end the war?
Of course. Lots of countries with nukes wanted to make it very clear that the reason they have them is because they instantly win wars, unless you're not nuking someone who can nuke you back that is. Tons and tons of WW2 and cold war propaganda is still floating around today. People actually believe narratives like "the USSR let the nazis advance beyond their supply lines as a trap" for example. Meanwhile if you tell them that Japan only surrendered because the russians were invading the northern island and that they still hold those islands despite Japan insisting that they're Japanese, and people look at you like you've just told them that JFK was a ninja.
you have absolutely no idea how insanely high the loss of life was during traditional combat - especially with how brutally the japanese fought
even a few additional weeks of prolonged war would have outnumbered the nuke casualties
People don't understand that the mainland was going to be a series of back to back stalingrads
>needlessly barbaric
>Japanese barbarians get a taste of their own medicine
?
When did Japan nuke america?
He didn’t say that?
So what medicine was being tasted by the japanese?
Rape?
I didn't know that nukes cause rape
Guess you weren’t there to witness it.
barbarism, repaid by barbarism
You're right, what was I thinking. There was no bomb, there were no rapes, ww2 didn't happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
I believe in conspiracy theories
How does this conspiracy work exactly. If america knew the attack was coming, they could have prepared better, but they still would've been attacked. What exactly is the point? Is the thought that we should've attacked first?
The point was the objective of the Japanese was to take out the American aircraft carriers.
All of the Aircraft carriers were missing on that day, and had been sent on milk runs which emptied all the useful ships from Pearl Harbor, leaving only the "self sinking" variety of battleships that would be useless in the war to come, like the Japanese battleship Yamato was useless.
The idea is that American higherups knew that the Japanese were going to attack and they let them in order to give them a reason to join the war. They then prepared well enough that the attack couldn't lose them too much while also not alerting the Japanese that they might be walking into a trap while also not making its own citizens realize that they were being sacrificed.
And the idea is the British were still actively operating intelligence networks in the area, because of their presence in Singapore, Hong Kong, and other strong holds in Asia, and that they were feeding intelligence to the Americans at a high level about Japanese action, while also not wanting to Prevent Japan from attacking, because british intelligence manipulating American leadership often involves getting America into war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
Citizens were going to die either way because the attack wasn't going to not happen. Some civilians could've been evacuated, but who knows how effective that would've been in 1945. A lot of Ukrainians didn't leave when they were warned they were about to be invaded. People tend to sit around when everything goes to shit for some reason. It could also lead to them attacking somewhere else.
Do carriers generally sit in their harbors?
How would Britain prevent it? And why would they?
winners write the history
next time you should try winning
>Japanese spazing out all over Asia chopping off heads and raping, pillaging, and burning
>The bomb was unethical
lmao
You just justified 9/11
Nuking Japan was necessary. It prevented a lengthy invasion and occupation that would have cost more lives on both sides. And it sent a message to the rest of the world to knock off the bullshit as a whole. Two birds, one stone
Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, Bataan Death March. Frick off.
Yeah yeah, you like Nintendo, Godzilla, and anime, so the nips were a bunch of good boys who dindu nuffin.
oh wow this thread… again!
yeah we could’ve had a fishtank thread instead!
It’s almost as if there was a film recently released which relates to this discussion.
then talk about the film you fricking stupid homosexual, instead of posting this moronic fricking crybaby shit here over and over. better yet take your trash thread to Cinemaphile. im sure it would be right at home in that shithole board
It's really crazy how much Japs seem to love America.
People in the butthurt belt will hold a grudge against Russia while the EU and the US destroy their culture and economy, islamists will keep referring to Europeans as crusaders, US blacks keep asking for reparations,...
But Japs worship the worst aspects of burger culture and politically align themselves with the US on almost every matter.
Battered wife syndrome
>butthurt belt
everyone that borders me thinks I'm a subhuman piece of shit? it must be them!
Americans love committing atrocities, then coming back later to make a film about how committing atrocities made them feel sad.
>then coming back later to make a film about how committing atrocities made them feel sad.
also minimizing or ignoring the atrocities committed by the enemy.
im pretty sure the entire film will be woke, and be all about the social justice angle. will probably end with japs dying and Oppenheimer living out the rest of his days as a depressed alcoholic
remember anon, being truthful about history is WOKE
Its pushed too hard and I dont care
The only criticism I can make of the US in 1945 is that they were too merciful to the jap subhumans.
>because it's a whitewash
you've seen the movie?