Anyone else not think the Batman was that good?
>way too long
>had like 4 different endings
>Riddler literally won
>several attempts at political commentary that fall flat
>movie tries to seem edgy and gritty with this ae7en style atmosphere, but nothing violent or shocking really happens. The newly elected mayor literally got shot in the head and somehow was fine two minutes later
>movie has this identity crisis over whether it wants to be Nolanesque in realism or more fantastical, ends up feeling bizarre when Batman literally glides into a bridge and hits a bus, but has zero injuries right after, has a bullet proof suit that takes assault rifle fire lie it’s nothing, but is knocked out by a shotgun
Not happy about their Joker choice either, actor seems fine enough but it was completely unnecessary, and the look we do get in the deleted scene is awful. Hope they scrap it and just paint the actor white
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>Riddler literally won
How did he win he failed to kill Bruce Wayne he's in jail for murder and his super nihilistic deployed for a whole bunch of innocent people fail because of batman?
His plan to blow the retainment wall was a success. Gotham was flooded.
his plan was to be recognized for the attack and for the institutions to collapse which both didnt happen with the news instead focusing on batman saving people and the mayor surviving
But the city destroyed. Gotham was flooded. That's what makes it all so damn laughable as the movie tries to act heroic as tens if not hundreds of thousands of people die to those flood waters.
gotham being destroyed wasnt the riddlers main goal but a hurdle he was willing to jump over to destroy the institutions
the dark knight rises
>the dark knight rises
If so that was a terrible adaptation
its also based on the dark knight returns & knightfall which is why the movie is such a mess
sure but the riddler still didnt win or atleast not in the short term..
Well I doubt the city will be able to cope with that kind of tragedy.
What about New Orleans?
Only good part was the batmobile chase, the rest is middling.
The climax is fricking asinine, you have to completely suspend your disbelief and ignore the fact that not only would it take at least an hour to prime the explosives for the stadiums ceiling so that Batboy could make his grand entrance but also that he's basically raining glass and shrapnel down on all the civilians cowering below.
>Only good part was the batmobile chase, the rest is middling.
I liked most of the actions scenes, but I specially enjoy the police station escape... sans the fail landing, I mean... ok you wanted to show him messing up the landing, that's fair. But just shove him into the street and make him roll around instead of looney tuney his parachute and made him land of a fricking moving truck!
The Batman was a bad movie with individual good scenes and stylistic choices.
>Only good part was the batmobile chase
Yeah, I especially liked how Penquin kills like 20 people during that chase scene and isn't arrested or even punched, just mildly inconvenienced.
Some people actually came up with somewhat of an answer to that. If they handed Penguin over, both Batman and Gordon could be labeled as accessory to murder or some shit (Batman already on hot waters, Gordon acting on his own accord)
Because the Riddler situation was high priority, with the police already trigger happy with him, Batman (and Gordon) could't process him.
I don't think it is the best explanation, but I guess it is something.
I have 2 main problems with the movie
1. It feels like the message it's pushing is that only black people should be in leadership (I can elaborate if anyone asks)
2. Riddler was actually much more effective in rooting out corruption than Batman and only targeted people who deserve it so the stadium scene felt like an asspull because they feared the audience would actualy think for themselves and realise thay the Riddler isn't actualy that bad.
>(I can elaborate if anyone asks)
We won't.
He doesn't have to
The narrative is obvious
Hillary lost 🙂
Se7en is one of my favorite movies, so I'm a little biased.
filtered
I haven't had any desire to rewatch it.
>these popcorn summer blockbusters are way way too long now. They should be two hours tops.
>the script feels like a first draft with two many plotlines. The plotline about bringing down Falcone is pretty satisfying. The Riddler stuff is a mess though
>anti-white rhetoric that has no place in a mass appeal summer blockbuster
>it just isn't a very fun movie
they could last 5 hours and i'll watch them if they are good.
"If", mind you.
>anti-white
I swear if you saw a period piece about slaves in America and one of them said ANYTHING bad about their masters, you'd get your fee-fees hurt
Puss in boots tlw reset my brain to appreciate well paced movies.
I cannot beleive how well paced that movie is, and only 1.5 hours.
>I cannot believe how short a kiddie movie is!!
Best portrayal of Batman(though I'm not 100% happy with it) in a drawn out, middling movie. It feels like a movie that was made by someone who just rewatched the older movies and just mashed and changed a few things. It's just not that exciting or engaging as a movie all things considered.
It has the hottest Catwoman though.
How can one man tell such a big lie???
It is carried by its atmosphere
This tbh. I read a review that said it was basically Se7en if the mystery in Se7en was semi boring and not as well written.
Beautiful flick though.
Best Batman movie.
And they are teasing the Court of Owls and the Arkham Family
literally won
HOW?
3 hours is simply too long, even for a Batman movie.
He flooded the city, then threw a big tantrum when he realized Batman wasn't on his side.
Same way Iron Man doesn't turn to goo inside his suit when he's flying around at 10 Gs.
Second half of TDKR.
My theory is that Nashton was being controlled/manipulated by the real Riddler, who is Nygma, which explains the brief end credit scene.
>Gil Coulson
Bet that was a "take that" moment by the WB suits.
>look, my dude, WB just makes good kino. you just wouldn't get it.
>My theory is that Nashton was being controlled/manipulated by the real Riddler, who is Nygma, which explains the brief end credit scene.
That was joker in the end scene though.
Not the Joker/Arkham scene, the last scene after the credits.
Literally felt like a Batman movie directed by those dudes you'd see on forums in the early 00's after Batman & Robin but before Batman Begins went into production that kept parroting "David Fincher should direct Batman!" It literally pulled its entire aesthetic, Riddler's characterization and Batman and Gordon's relationship from Seven (theyre basically Somerset and Mills), it had nothing original in it.
its not nolanesque realistic its just very grounded and stylized
How is it “grounded” to no trucking die if you fly intto a bridge?
except of that scene lol
after having realized how his actions of vengeance changed gotham for the worse he jumped into the water and came out a more hopeful man. besides theres a bunch of religious imagery in the film like ave maria or the flood
this is one of the worst movies ive ever seen, not just superhero, but of all movies
>Riddler literally won
I thought this was funny. He flooded the entire city
Oh but the black mayoral candidate was safe, that's a victory I guess
>I thought this was funny. He flooded the entire city
I'm surprised how everyone else was confused by this. Shit is going to have disastrous repercussions for years, look at what a hole Katrina dug into New Orleans. People's livelihoods are destroyed, poverty is going to be insane, decades of ripple effects.
i like how matt reeves cant stop making movies with societal collapse. atleast it means were not getting another no mans land adaptation cuz im sure the batman will take place years after
the batman 2*
>another no mans land adaptation
You mean there was one already?
They made Riddler too understandable and sympathetic to the point that they had to backtrack and be like "oh no Riddlers actually a crazy incel killer pls forget the last 3//4 of the movie you saw."
the shorthand for which was introducing his Cinemaphile stand in following
That part was such bullshit. Riddler recruits a bunch of gun nuts on the Internet and not one of them is an FBI informant?
Yeah, he helped the city more than Batman did before the flooding.
Only zoomers liked this trash, but even then not very much.
It felt like a sequel to a movie that doesn't exist. Like the whole "Thomas Wayne wasn't the man you thought he was!!!" reveal falls completely flat because this is the first thing we're learning about him.
The plot was moronic and so was Batman.
The detective aspect fricking sucked especially with that rat with wings bullshit.
I'm still waiting for a good detective Batman movie.
No, Nolanshit is not that.
It was definitely a stew that had too many ingredients, and the detective work wasn't all that clever. But it was the right aesthetic and tonal direction to go for the franchise. It was a superficial experience that I enjoyed, but it needs to be more than that to be remembered.
Too long with too many slooooow shots. The characters were alright, although I hated how they turned the riddler into a demented bat incel instead of the usual narcissistic obsessive genius.
Oddly enough I don't have any problems with the third act, mostly because it's the only part of the movie that feels like a actual batman movie instead of the adventure of emo Bruce Lee in Seven land.
The definition of O K
One of the bits that pissed me off the most in the theater was when Batman cuts the line and drops into the water near the end of the movie during the stadium scene. Like, we’re supposed to think the water if electrified or the fall will kill him and then he just lands and wades away like it’s nothing after dramatically cutting through the rope.
agreed. its made worse by the fact he just had to inject himself with rage drugs after at least one other fake out.
its supposed to symbolize him being baptized in the water
how so? I concede he gets wet.
Dumbass I'm high from edibles but even I can see that you missed the point he was willing to put others before himself.
>Dumbass I'm high from edibles
That just makes you concentrate even harder.
This movie seems to be the ultimate midwit filter.
*He was willing to take the electric charge by cutting the cord
mump
I don't get why at the end of the movie batman decides he isn't helping people as a cop wannabe, and instead he should be a firefighter wannabe.
Then again I watched the HBOmax version, and oof the audio mixing was so bad. Dialogue seemed to be at like 10% while music was at 70% and sound effects at 50%. Point being that I had to watch it subtitled lol.
I didn't like how easily Brice was swayed everytime someone told him about his parents. In like 15 minutes he 100% believed every story about them one after the other.
I found the scene where Alfred is in danger and we are supposed to think he might have died pretty inappropriate considering this is a very different Alfred, he’s barely had any scenes, and maybe others feel different. But I had no attachment to this version of Alfred at all. He was a non character who basically just did exposition and helped solve riddles because Batman was too dumb to do crossword puzzles.
Jim Gordon didn’t feel particularly memorable or unique either.
Catwoman feels like the only character who was memorable and unique. Definitely better than the Anne Hathaway version
I know WB has money problems and shit. But they’re making a Penguin show to bridge The Batman and it’s sequel, showing Penguin taking over what’s left of the criminal organisations
I would genuinely be interested in a Catwoman miniseries of her in Bludhaven since she said she’s going there, maybe gets hired for a heist, can have some more character development showing her adopting more of an actual costume, clearly inspired by Batman, have a fun Batman cameo in the finale where he saves her from getting killed by the person who hired her, but steals whatever big thing she took and drops it off to the cops
I enjoyed this version of catwoman. Felt like a good mix of 90’s cartoon catwoman, early 2000’s catwoman who was the protector of prostitutes in Gotham, and mainstream comic catwoman
Her “privileged white men” line was cringe but it’s hard to take anything she says seriously that isn’t about getting things she wants.
This movie had so many dumb as frick things in it
This was probably the dumbest, the guy is so scared of generic gangsters killing his family somehow he chooses to get blown up.
Batman can see the timer, knows it’s going to blow up, doesn’t decide to try and disarm it or remove it anything. Just stands as close as possible so this huge explosion goes off in his face. Sending him flying back, yet somehow doesn’t do any real injury to him. His suit isn’t even scorched from the explosion
whatever
nah
The movie was moronic. Batman could get all kinds of tech but didn't know basic Spanish. Didn't know what a carpet puller was. It was fricking dumb.
Did Bruce really not train with ninja in this universe?
We dont know, the movie is vague in ways it shouldn't be for supposedly starting the story with Batman in the middle of his second year fighting crime.
To add to that, when Gordon finds out the former commissioner was working for the mob, he says "I didn't know Savage was on the take" but isn't Gordon's whole reason for working with Batman is because GCPD is corrupt to the core? So why is this Gordon working with Batman? It makes no sense if you stop to think about it for 10 seconds.
bizzump
Paterson should not have been allowed to play Batman and whomever came up with this idea needs to be flogged.