Anyone see this? How does it rank among Hayao Miyazaki's filmography?
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Anyone see this? How does it rank among Hayao Miyazaki's filmography?
Anyone see this? How does it rank among Hayao Miyazaki's filmography?
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Pretty low. He just put every Miyazaki trope in one movie around a flimsy story. And the cool Heron is bait and switch.
Top 5
Pleb=filtered
I loved it, its Miyazaki's masterpiece, the culmination of his life's work both thematically and visually, embodying references to virtually all of his past movies, though I wouldn't go so far as to say they are intentional shout outs but rather his visual and story telling language have cemented into a familiar vocabulary from which he uses every letter at his disposal.
It is his most personal, intimate and fantastical movie by far, a conversation between Miyazaki and himself that is simultaneous his origin story, his goodbye letter to the world (and the many worlds he's made, stopping just short of confirming a Miyazaki multiverse), a lament that his son was unable to become his true successor, a warning against letting malice infest imagination, and a celebration of his life's work.
it is oddly devoid of his most prominent storytelling tropes, the protagonist is a young boy instead of a young girl (a first for myazaki, every other protagonist has either been a young girl or a middle aged man) an it didnt even have a "yum yum delicious food porn" scene
why is the title so stupid? does it sound cooler in japanese?
The original title is "How do you Live?" which is more poignant and to the point of the movie. I guess Shitney thought that wasn't marketable enough so it became something indicating a fantastical adventure.
The original title of "How Do You Live?" sounds so much more dramatic and foreboding but it's also the name of an actual book Miyazaki was influenced by for this movie (but this movie isn't a direct adaptation of it beyond Mahito reading the book).
Makes no more difference than the dub existing.
>old japanese ladies being old and japanese
>little benevolent quirky creatures
>dumb blustering henchman
>alice in wonderland premise
>aerial bombing is bad
>endless blue sky area
It was full of his shtick. He was running on autopilot and you can see in the documentary he had no idea what he was doing.
yeah like I said, it is full of his usual visual language, but none of these are really tropes, learn what words mean
>He was running on autopilot
nah, this was his most thematically heavy movie in perhaps his entire career, you're just a moron
Making an allegory for your life and career is what you do when you run out of ideas.
>the protagonist is a young boy instead of a young girl (a first for myazaki, every other protagonist has either been a young girl or a middle aged man
Did you ever watch Laputa, or Princess Mononoke, or Ponyo...
The bread and jam scene was the food porn.
You are aware that Cinemaphile exists right?
Have you tried crying about it?
No, because I'm not an anime watching homosexual pedophile like you.
kek still posting in the thread no life haviung gay
Miyazaki is not only Cinemaphile but he is /film/. He is right behind Steven Spielberg as the greatest living director.
Felt like Miyazaki really felt like he needed to come out of retirement again to teach everyone about animation which is its high points, but the story is a little weak compared to his other movies.
First 1/3 (till he's rescued from the pelicans) is GIGAkino, wish the entire thing was like it. There were still some cool scenes in the rest (dying pelican, birthing chamber)
Not yet.
But i guarantee you it's not as good as anything he did from the 70s to the 90s, because he lost his mind with Spirited Away in 2001 and never recovered.
It's his best work since Spirited Away
Ponyo and Howl were much better.
>ponyo
That really is how middling Heron was.
Those both suck ass
Howl is a legitimate bad movie carried by the best main theme in Ghibli's catalog. It felt completely fricking disjointed. Like a first draft put to screen.
>the best main theme in ghiblis cat-ACK
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>It felt completely fricking disjointed. Like a first draft put to screen.
I know what you mean and there are only two or three scenes that feel disjointed. It's kino, where does this opinion actually come from? The weak ending? I felt Howl's castle should've fired its main guns one time and then you have 10/10, they're a rejected chekov gun
My biggest issue honestly is The Witch of the Wastes. What a weird fricking character. They wrote a redemption arc for her 2/3rds of the way into the movie, and then reversed it by almost killing Sophie. But then she gets forgiven again for no reason, and they just let a violent dementia patient live in the castle.
Sudden aging or suddenly noticing age is the central premise of the film. The part where she transforms is heavily allegorical. Accepting old age and being accepted is the central conflict, while the plot to find Howl's heart happens in the background.
I say this because the witch of the waste is an extremely flawed, criminal old hag who's actively still trying to be evil, but they accept her. Not just because she can't harm anyone, she actually can, but because everybody needs somebody. Kindness to a fricked up individual is key to sophie being kind to herself. I didn't really like Minnie Driver's voice for the role though
I just don't think that works the way they did it. I would have been fine with "accepting" her after she went senile, but she actively put Sophie in danger after that. She never apologized. Sophie even calls her kind.
If I wanted to stretch it, it feels like it's an allegory for a child having to take care of an ungrateful aging parent, who abused and fricked up their kid, but nevertheless, you just have to carry that burden. But I don't even think that works, because the Witch isn't family. At most, she's "found family," but why would you take someone actively hostile and dangerous into your home?
her evil agenda just isn't important enough to trigger a moralistic response like that. It might've caused problems, but they trusted in goodness and themselves to be more powerful than evil. Sophie is oldest when she's insecure about being old, and youngest when she forgets herself. Howl has to stop personally fighting evil or he'll die. Both of them are supposed to realize family comes first, and focus on their own happiness. The witch who nursed a grudge and obsession for decades is just a childish figure to them, not a true threat anymore in spite of her ability to grab weakly for the heart.
Except the story made her a threat again. They disarmed her like, 2/3rds of the way through the movie by making her senile. Okay. Fine. That's cool. She can be the old granny in the house now. That's whatever. THEN she almost killed Sophie in the climax. And she can just keep living in the house, being the granny.
There's a difference between holding a grudge, and harboring a dangerous person in your house for no reason whatsoever. I am not going to invite the random bum on the street who threatens me with a knife to live with me in perpetuity. With me taking care of all his wants and needs. That does not make me a bad person.
Nobody will admit it but it largely comes down to the protagonist being turned into an old lady for most of the movie.
Call me a brainlet, but I was confused over how the aging worked in the movie. Sophie still had gray hair in the ending, so I wasn't sure if she was back to her original age or not.
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The stuff with the man eating parrots dragged on for too long and was ultimately inconsequential. Other than that I liked it.
First half is very kino. Second half is an AI generated Miyazaki film.
Ponyo was his take on the little Mermaid. This was his take on Alice in Wonderland.
Is a piece of shit, the lowest probably
Its the closest we'll come to a spirited away sequel. It almost captured the same energy and vibe, almost.
It's shit like any other tranime
pretty good, visuals carry it, even the dub was actually good
Gorgeous animation but weak story and pacing, the entire first half hour could have been cut out.
Holy moron. Hollywood already caters to exactly what you want why are you wasting your time watching anything else
One of his best but it’s an extreme pleb filter. The kind of person who loves Miyazaki because he’s “Japanese Disney” will fricking hate this movie and that’s 90% of his western audience. The marketing here also tricked people into thinking this was gonna be Spirited Away 2, about a young boy going on a fun fast paced adventure, not a weird and slow odyssey through the underworld about reflecting on your career and mommy issues
For me it’s
1. Princess Mononoke
2. The Wind Rises
3. The Boy and the Heron
4. Spirited Away
5. Valley of the Wind
Yeah, I agree with this. You have to be crazy
to think that it would be good to cut the grounded slice-of-life stuff from the first half hour, without it the whole journey into the fantasy world is meaningless.
For a change of pace I liked that this movie is probably the most allegorical and abstract of Miyazaki's movies. It forced you to actually think about the themes and messages of the work (presented in a gorgeous way of course) as opposed to just mindlessly "following the plot."
Some insights I felt watching the movie:
>The grand-uncle went mad "from reading too many books," he lived in a fantasy world he created which ultimately stagnates and dies because he couldn't convince others to live in (and take over) his own fantasies.
I feel like this has some parallels with making creative worlds like Miyazaki has done his entire life.
>Birds and flight, the usual symbols of freedom and creativity, are in various states of decay, from the devious and unwieldy heron (metaphorically full of holes), the decaying pelicans, who are forgetting even how to fly, and the parakeets, who have devolved into a dimwitted cannibalistic dictatorship. The granduncle is too blinded by his own delusions to notice how awful his paradise is.
>The souls of the dead are born and devoured, unable to truly move on. Similarly, the protag's own soul is unable to move on, caught in a limbo from the trauma of his mother's death. It's only by coming back to reality and leaving the dream that he is able to leave the fantasy world behind and finally "grow up" and mature.
There's other things that you can unpack from the movie, and while I do not know if I put it at the top of the Ghibli pile I would also probably agree that it is his best movie since Spirited Away, and one that tried to do the most conceptually.
>Miyazakino
>it's not about a little girl
I sleep
I liked it, but I put Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke way above it. I think The Wind Rises and Porco Rosso are far better movies too, but my taste is different from the average guy.
It's better than Ponyo, Grave of the Fireflies, Totoro, Castle in the Sky and Yamadas.
I haven't watched the rest.
I liked it, it's not his best work due to the weak plot (it felt like one of those adaptations that cuts half the story out) but it's not his worst either. Really great animation and great vibes.
it's a selfwank movie, the type of thing a lot of directors made when they're old and out of ideas
Imagine a slightly darker Spirited Away but more aimed at a boy audience and goes a bit harder on the Moebius-esque aesthetics as opposed to just Japanese mythology.
I liked it but it's not too much of a derivation from what we've already seen from Miyazaki.
1. Princess Mononoke
2. Howl's Moving Castle
3. Spirited Away
4. Castle in the Sky
5. Porco Rosso
6. Nausica
7. The Wind Rises
8. Grave of the Fireflies
9. Boy and the Heron
10. Kiki's Delivery Service
11. My Neighbor Totoro
12. Ponyo
Woman
Yes, that is the gender you wish you could be.
How long do I have to be on HRT for Howls to make my top 3
Women love Kiki and Totoro the most.
A woman would absolutely not rate Kiki and Totoro that low. Those two are the quintessential pastel lofi Ghibli art hoe picks.
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>>How does it rank
It’s peepee poopoo
It's essentially a men's version of Spirited Away, similarly nonsensical and full of things that just happen, but more action oriented.