Apologize to Phantom Menace, Cinemaphile. You know it's the right thing to do.
I'll start: I'm sorry Phantom Menace. You're not that bad.
Apologize to Phantom Menace?
Apologize to Phantom Menace, Cinemaphile. You know it's the right thing to do.
I'll start: I'm sorry Phantom Menace. You're not that bad.
8/10. Pretty good.
TPM has such a great look. People act like George is a poor filmmaker but TPM feels like the work of a seasoned filmmaker.
TPM looks alright. It has its moments. I don't think it looks any worse than ROTJ, overall. AOTC and ROTS look awful, though.
>ROTS look awful
Yes. You can make almost anything look passable with a grid that exists to cherrypick frames, even Attack of the Clones (which you hilariously aren't defending for some reason).
Nta but if you take out the cringe forced romance stuff in AotC it's suddenly rather an amazing film.
Even in Empire strikes Back Leia's confession was seemingly out of nowhere but people bought it. I don't know why George felt the need to overstate it so much.
>Nta but if you take out the cringe forced romance stuff in AotC it's suddenly rather an amazing film.
No it isn't.
AotC is easily the most flawed but there's a lot of beauty in there also. 7/10. RotS holds up in every way, 9/10.
AotC spawned Clone Wars, which zoomers slurped up like the most delicious cummies ever. I don't even like Clone Wars and I still think it's great.
I prefer Genndy Wars tbh.
>Update
That's the only good star war in existence. Sym-Bionic Titan is an even better star war. fight me nerds.
TPM is possibly the best looking star wars
That's because AotC is terrible. Phantom Menace, however, is not.
Clones can look rough but I like the look of RotS a lot. Digitally shot without looking washed out or textureless.
Say whatever you want about the movie. Damn near every shot showed a wonderful world that stimulates your imagination. Every location was somewhere magnificent that you want to get lost exploring. In this aspect it was far better than the even the OT.
You can just tell it was shot on actual film
I'm sorry Phantom Menace. You were always great.
Nah, it’s still shit. There’s no difference between a solid turd and a watery one. Both are shit.
have a nice day it's a decent movie.
Sorry sir do not redeeem. Not every country loves shit.
It really isn’t
I don't have to apologize because I always liked that movie. The ones who do need to apologize are those idiots who jumped on the Reddickheadmedia bandwagon.
4/10. Pretty shit.
Phantom Menace was a solid film let down in small ways that were later blown completely out of proportion. There is an issue with tonal shift but even then it's still better than Return of the Jedi.
Gungans > Ewoks.
I want to frick Jar Jar Binks.
You're trash, b***h.
Phantom Menace is like a Jackie Chan movie, you know
Good intro, then desperately filling for time with some cringe comedy, but then it all comes together in the final boss fight
Can't hate it, it's pretty alright
I saw it twice in theatres as a kid. I was all like mom, take me to this frickiing movie I have seen already. I learned how to play Duel of the Fates on piano. I am unaccomplished as a whole.
It gave us the second best lightsaber duel in the entire series next to Luke and Vader in V.
I literally met the creator of Darth Maul in some child art lesson class. Life is a mistake.
I'm sorry your so SHIT and GAY, Phantom Menace.
I watched ROTS the other day, definitely a good movie but some of the romantic dialogue and acting is terrible. Still a very good film though 7.5/10
>some of the romantic dialogue and acting is terrible
It's not.
Oh it is.
Christ man, I'm on your side with the prequels, the third is good but the first two are decent despite what the naysayers suggest. But the dialogue is bad at times, including the acting.
The prequels despite these flaws are better than the sequels.
It's not. Name an example.
This
It's good though. It's the same as when he later says "No, I promise you." He's being possessive.
Prequel gays think this is good
Believe me, I wish I could just wish away my feelings.
I hate sand. It's terrible and gets everywhere.
The "sand" line is pretty good in context. It comes after Padme tells Anakin about how she went to that dreamy place on Naboo during her childhood and how they dried off in the sand after bathing and Anakin tells her how he hates sand and all that and then tells Padme (who knows about his upbringing as a slave on Tatooine) that he likes the time he spends with her at that place on Naboo and then starts carressing her skin and getting her to kiss him.
He does a lot of that pitying stuff throughout the movie.
Later, when they bury his mother, he kneels down in the sand and squeezes some in his hand, right after a scene where he talks about wanting to become stronger.
He was talking about RoTS, moron. Not clones.
Even though I like Neeson, shouldn’t gotten rid of Qui-Gon. Should’ve been Obi-wan an a teenage Anakin. Obi Wab was trained by Yoda, he says this in the original series! Not Qui-Gon! Also, a teenage Anakin getting feelings for Padmé in Menace would make more sense with him obsessing over her in Clone Wars
*should have
What do you think "Duel of the Fates" stands for?
Yeah, it’s a cool score still doesn’t change the fact.
It's about Anakin losing a good father figure, being then trained by Obi-Wan (brother) and adopting Sheev as a (bad) father figure.
I know what it means. Still doesn’t change the fact. Qui-Gon was pointless. It should’ve been Obi-Wan training Anakin. Anakin being born on same planet they hide Luke at was stupid. Anakin being a teenager and having feelings for Padame makes more sense than him obsessing over her when the last time he saw he was 10. In the original series Obi Wan said he though he could train Anakin as well as Yoda. Yet he didn’t chose. He didn’t want Anakin to be trained. He got guilted into it by Qui-Gon
Qui-Gon also introduced someone being dissatisfied with how the Jedi order's been going without fully abandoning it.
Again, something easily could’ve had Obi Wan do. Explain why he chose to train Anakin without council’s full support abs why he feels guilty at the outcome. But, in Menace. He didn’t think Anakin should be trained. Thought he was too
old only did it because was Qui-Gon‘a dying request
Having Qui-Gon makes more sense so Obi-Wan would become a brotherly figure instead of a fatherly one.
I've watched them recently.
>I've watched them recently.
So have I. They're junk.
Yeah, but I have taste and you do not. Your opinion doesn't matter.
Your taste involves other men's semen. Just like your mother.
See? No class, no taste. Total waste of space.
>George Lucas basically ripped off Kurosawa so whatever
That's either you being dishonest or moronic.
>See? No class, no taste. Total waste of space.
Hey! Another trait you earned from your mother!
You're a pathetic midwit and have no taste. Let that sink in.
Woah, we're saying the Black person word now?
>Let that sink in.
What a coincidence. Your mother said the same thing.
Save your mom the trouble of wondering if she will ever have grandbabies or not and go out and rape your seed in the first girl you encounter. Then go home and slit your wrists for being such an embarrassing moron.
Girls love me though. I'm not worried on that end.
Girls love you so much that's why you're on a star wars thread in a middle of nowhere board, in the middle of the night and to top it all off, its a phantom menace defense thread. At least all of us here know we are incels and geeks, you're just in denial.
I only call myself an incel because it's fun. I'm literally Anakin though.
A whiny little gay who throws tantrums. What a shock.
Cute and authoritarian.
You're such a fricking Black person it's sad
No, he literally ripped off Kurosawa framing and, like, I dunno. You are a homosexual. Go learn cinema.
>Go learn cinema
Spoken like a true midwit. Kurosawa's stuff is mundane, visually uninteresting in many cases and thematically he most certainly did not rip off Kurosawa.
If you are calling Kurosawa visually uninteresting while praising Lucas's shit you are a lost cause. Go soak your head.
He is. Yojimbo is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Got mogged even by The Warrior and the Sorceress.
No. That's my opinon on your opinion, "no". Deal with it.
You're just a boring person. Current cinematic paradigm is terrible. Fully tainted by manchild boomer sensibilities, i.e. remorseless horniness and illiteracy.
What the frick are you talking about. Kurosawa was the 50s, what is this "current paradigm" nonsense. You read like a moron.
Look up IMDB Top 250, you utter midwit. The current understanding of what's good. It's full of trash, tainted by those old fart sensibilites. And no, Kurosawa was much later also.
You don't need to adhere to IMDB's Top 250 to recognize Kurosawa as a great director. What are "old fart sensibilities?"
He's surely talented but also very overrated and mundane. Want an actually well produced and Yojimbo that's not running on life support? Go Ronin. And I've already laid it out, boomers are notoriously illiterate and horny and it shows.
>wow the current meta of filmmaking is inspired by trash
Says the neckbeard moron who makes armchair opinions on Cinemaphile. You don't know shit, moron.
I know what I see.
> and, like, I dunno
moron
Yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Can you repeat the question?
>Yeah, but I have taste
Poor taste, yes.
You two should get a room.
Your mother's already there waiting for us.
Lol they're pretty good, not as amazing as the OT but decent
I bet you liked The last jedi, homosexual
The Last Jedi is the worst movie ever made and if any of you homosexuals get uppity I will cry.
>I bet you liked The last jedi, homosexual
Nope.
I liked the first jedi.
Wouldn’t be a fatherly one if read what said. Anakin would be a teenager. Not a little kid. So still be Christensen who would’ve been 16 when they started filming in ‘97
Anakin wasn't born on tattooine. His mom and him moved there when he was 3. You'd know this if you paid any attention watching Phantom Menace.
Are you purposely being stupid?
He literally says in the fricking movie "We've been here since I was real little, since I was 3, I think". So no, anakin was not born on tattooine. You claimed that he was. I corrected you by telling you what was what. Now learn your place around here before I get mad.
>He didn’t want Anakin to be trained. He got guilted into it by Qui-Gon
Which adds a very tragic note and he still made the choice.
I agree with this. The prequels made Obi-Wan's relationship with Anakin a lot less complicated than the OT implies.
Obi Wan was taught by Yoda when he was a youngling though. Luke wouldn't be having a meeting with Qui Gon so it was pointless to mention him.
"Yo luke, you will go to the swamp place and train with one of my teachers and shit bro, but not my second one, he died".
My responses were towards others who were already discussing it. Suck a dick.
I dont give a shit what your excuse is, or if you're sorry. Just don't do it again and learn that your place around here is under my fricken boot.
Implying you can even lift your fricking leg you fat frick.
Lol, I bet this 35 year old manchild gets chicken teddies by his mom everyday while she complains he's a burden on her.
Eat shit.
The sequels sucking doesn’t magically make the prequels good
Prequels > OT
There are no sequels.
> Prequels > OT
Absolute brain worms
Nah, you're just an illiterate nostalgia boomer.
Prequelgays don't have nostalgia?
Stop putting words in the mouths of others you shit for brain moron. Nobody has said that in this thread. Phantom menace has always been good.
Hit a nerve?
It's all shit. Every star war past Empire is trash, the ultimate cope franchise. Nerds will sweat defending this garbage.
You have no taste.
What is taste. Werner Herzog is all like "I like Kung-Fu movies" and I agree. George Lucas basically ripped off Kurosawa so whatever. It's all a farce, buy my tickets you moron.
>George Lucas basically ripped off Kurosawa so whatever
That's either you being dishonest or moronic.
Imagine convincing yourself the prequels are good
I have nothing to apologise for. It was kino then and it's kino now.
Lucas was a visionary and dragged the entire fricking industry in his ILM wake. Everything has to appreciated in context and each prequel offering was upping the ante of what digital could accomplish in film. You shouldn't have to 'like' it to appreciate any of that.
Move on already. There are better films out there.
Dear Phantom Menace,
I saw you in theaters when I turned 11, and it was one of my most memorable cinema experiences. I'm sorry jumped on the hate bandwagon.
Phantom Menace was kind of crappy but I understand what it was going for, Jake Lloyd was the perfect Kid Vader and I hope the frickers that bullied him so hard he went schizo go to Hell. The whole point of the prequels was the increasing dread that this guy will become Space Hitler one day. It was kind of crappy but imo the prequels were supposed to feel like watching the 97 Berserk anime a 2nd time while knowing Griffith was actually the main antagonist the whole time. Lil Ani was perfect, knowing that the sweet little genius boy goes on to strangle motherfrickers and attempt to murder his son puts your heart in knots. It was the hook that made you think "but how?" Everything else sucked nuts.
Prequels are hard for people that are used to simple, straight forward narratives. They're not, they are supposed to be almost anthology-like, with an ending that everyone already knows. There isn't any new revelation to be found about the character by showing life before the fall.
Yes and no. It follows a pretty straight path when it comes to characterization.
It's choppy, and doesn't necessarily follow a consistent through-line. The time skip between AotC and RotS is a prime example. Nearly a whole galactic scale war goes by, in which our main character is a general, and it's glossed over how that actually effected him.
It's not hard to assume what kind of effect it had on him and his inner feelings, but if someone wants to be spoonfed then they can't follow along properly.
>It's not hard to assume what kind of effect it had on him and his inner feelings, but if someone wants to be spoonfed then they can't follow along properly.
This is true, yeah. You kind of have to read these movies, if you just want to slop through them, you're gonna get filtered.
It's the same kind of brainlessness that makes people criticize Episode III with that lame take "he fell to the Dark Side because he had bad dreams" thing. like not only would anyone who was basically a slave that got turned into a child soldier that turned into a warlord have nightmares fricking 24/7, but the previous movie showed him having nightmares about his mother's death that turned out to be based in reality. He was telepathic enough to know his mother was in danger for real and he couldn't prevent her fate, so obviously he'd know his wife was in danger for real yet there's still a chance to save her if only one single person around him
(who kidnapped him and sent him to war btw) would listen to him. It's so simple yet misunderstood that I think we deserve the capeshit that came afterwards.
>we deserve the capeshit that came afterwards
Or at least, general audiences deserve them.
There's much more. Loss of good father figure (Qui-Gon). Gets adopted by Palpatine in a sense, who is a bad father figure. Torn away from his mother (leading to mommy issues).
Mother dies, takes mommy gf for wife. Strong possessiveness. Everything around him starts to break apart. Anakin doubts himself as a jedi, Padme doubts whether the Republic has lost its integrity, Sheev makes Anakin doubt the integrity of the jedi order and the ways of the jedi, Windu makes Anakin also doubt the integrity of the jedi order. The jedi order makes Anakin doubt Sheev.
Meanwhile Anakin strongly fears the death of his wife, mirroring the death of his mother. At some point he says he feels lost. His already unstable identity is pushed to a breaking point by Palpatine's machinations.
*Padme questions the Republic's integrity
And with all this turmoil knowing it goes against what he's been told all this time, he seeks out Yoda, the wisest guy he knows, for advice. Yoda says "everybody dies bro don't even worry because you'll die too one day" Sheeve says "I hear you man we can stop it if you really want" except Sheev was grooming him into becoming a hard ass monster man that could be easily manipulated. It isn't complicated even.
I disliked most of the Clone Wars cartoon because it retroactively spoonfed a lot of what you were supposed to catch yourself but I liked when it'd add context to how shitheaded the Jedi were. Obi-wan had a secret relationship too maybe a son.. he knew he was Anakin's closest friend and faked his death without telling him specifically to make him sperg out.. Jedi actually fricking despised Clones by showing the status quo with Krell..
Some of it was cool. But it was all right there in the movies if you pay attention. They emotionally abused him nonstop and were shocked he turned against them.
They're also hard for people that like good movies.
Sloppers are just that, slopping. They have no real taste, all they want is push shit down their throat without having to chew it before.
You don't understand. What I'm saying is that there's an artful commitment to hackery in the Star Wars prequels. When Yoda "whips out that little laser sword of his and goes to town" on Count Schlockula, what we're seeing is an anti-artist's inelegant non-statement. The white elephant has died of starvation and the termites were trampled beneath its feet. It's an artistic desert, background noise for six year olds fidgeting and finding new places to stick their boogers. So too has Lucas, and we have found where he stuck them.
What a trash post. Imagine getting filtered by some pulp.
I just like good pulp, is all.
i know this is a meme but i always thought phantom menace was the best of the 3 new movies
its a solid movie with a solid plot and a solid introduction to the world
people just got upset because of the kid and jarjar but really, its a pretty great movie despite that
It was garbage. One of the major problems was that this cast didn't have any chemistry. Original Star Wars had good chemistry between Carrie, Harrison and Mark. These guys didn't have any real bond or affection for each other at the end of their journey.
I think Hayden and Ewan had some (though with clunky dialogue) but you're right for everyone else.
That's not you. That's a shopped picture of Anakin Skywalker from RoTS.
I want a tv show spinoff that just focuses on pod racing. Like go totally fast snd furious bonkers with it, but all within the SW universe.
Sometimes i cry when listening to this because I think about all the jedi who've died over the years.
>Apologize to Phantom Menac
Its a good film, lots of great imaginative visuals and ideas. It has too much baby Anakin in it though. Anakin competing in the pod race should have been the end of him playing a big part in the story. Having him blow up the droid control ship pushed him to the point of annoyance.
Having Anakin hide from the attack but end up being confronted and instinctively using the force to protect himself and his friends could have been kino. The visual of kid Anakin getting angry, instinctively force choking some dude out and then breaking into tears would have been kino. Anakin yelling "Yippee!" after he Mary Sues the droid control ship and kills everyone on board wasn't a great moment.
As with all the prequels the foundation for greatness is there. You can see how a few tweaks here or there could have matched the quality of the originals. A stark contrast to the soulless Disney sequels that are so fundamentally uncreative that no amount of tweaking could ever get them past the point of mediocrity.
Come on you fricks, you can't tell me you all didn't get hyped the first time you saw the poster with kid Anakin casting a shadow in the shape of Vader.
Thank you anon.
Convincing moronic zillenials the prequels are good is Disney's only achievement since buying Star Wars
Pretty massive achievement when you consider what it took to accomplish.
I watched The Phantom Menace in theaters. It was always great and I was confused to hear 20 years later that apparently it's bad because some fat frick on youtube said it was? The N64 pod racing video game was incredible. Good times.
I have nothing but deep respect and appreciation for him.
George was incomprehensibly redpilled about Hollywood from THX1138, I don't even consider him a sellout because he gave it all to Hollywood when he felt in his heart that nobody wanted to hear what he had to say anymore. I wish we could have seen the microscopic world his weird ass used to rant about but the audiences weren't ready. Wish he'd make a new movie of any kind but I wouldn't give a frick either honestly
Natalie Portperson was cute
It's Hershlag.
Film is soul
Digital is soulless
Nah. RotS looks fantastic. AotC is very uneven though.
>Your Father was Already a Great Pilot when i met him
LOL Lucas dont give a Frick about the Canon of the Movies for him Star Wars Movies were just Commercial Toys
Anakin won the podrace before they met, so yes.
He just won a pod race when obi wan meet him so he's right.
What about Leia telling Luke that she Remembers her True Mother in ROTJ? when Padme died in ROTS
Dude, you lost the first one. You're done. Credibility gone. No credits left.
Yes because a 9 Year Old Boy is what Obi Wan referred
>force shenanigans
It's terribly edited
It literally caused the decline and fall of Star Wars and arguably blockbuster movies (as in large budget movies, not specifically the movie rental store but I'm willing to also blame it for that).
>It literally caused the decline and fall of Star Wars
Completely incorrect.
Completely correct.
How would you guys feel about a disney+ series about a teenage Leia?