>A. they're not ghosts,
They literally are. They spook Umbar corsairs, allowing Aragorn to capture their ships and quickly bring reinforcements from the southern fiefs to Minas Tirith.
Aragorn recruits the ghosts as per the movie, they use them to scare the corasairs off the ships, they have no corporal form so can't actually harm anyone, but they were frightening enough to scare the corsairs off their ships. Aragorn then fills the now vacant ships with his ranger buddies and then sail to aid in the battle. This section of the story is told largely from Merry's perspective and Rohan believes the ships are Sauron's reinforcements and we're lead to believe that as well its been several chapters since we've heard from Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli. All hope is lost when the reinforcements of mordor arrive, then the banner unfurls and its the black banner with white tree, the banner of the king of Gondor, Aragon then leads a decisive assault on Modor's flank, Mordor now pincered between Rohan and Aragorn's men routes.
Gondor soldiers thought they were regular Corsairs coming to kill them all. On the book as in the movie its only the Rohirrim are close enough to see the white tree. Aragorn technically gets recognized when he heals Merry and Éowyn after the battle with the Witch Kang.
>they use them to scare the corasairs off the ships >Aragorn then fills the now vacant ships
Wait, did they literally throw themselves to the water upon seeing the ghosts?
Anyone with half a brain can see that this wouldn't work in film form. It's a massive detour from the main plot with a shitload of new places and characters in an already overstuffed movie. Making the ghost army fight directly was the best solution.
It's kinda the same situation as the tentacle creature in the Watchmen movie: either you waste a bunch of time and resources for this subplot or you bite he bullet and replace it with a fake Manhattan attack to trim the fat.
and yet they take their time to inject huge amounts of far worse scenes, like every scene they add with frodo/sam/gollum, such as faramir taking them to osgiliath, or frodo believing gollum when he says that sam has betrayed him.
Even so they could've made the ghosts less ridiculously powerful. Have them degrade over time when away from the mountains or something so it's not as jarring why Aragorn wouldn't just ask to clear out Mordor in 5 mins.
The way you'd do it is you'd leave it on a cliffhanger at Dunharrow, we don't know what happens to A/G/L after all the spooky ghosts show up, audience might think they're dead or captured. Then you have them show up and win the day, then when everyone is being reunited gimli explains what happened you do a quick flashback to him commanding the undead to spook the corsairs off their boats.
you'd have to leave some hints in there about what aragorn & CO might be up to beforehand, otherwise it coming out of nowhere with no set-up would be too jarring
This wouldn't even be hard to pull off though. >When Elrond shows up, just introduce the rest of a simplified Grey Company of other Dunedain rangers, since we already know who they are (skip Elronds twins) >One quick scene around the time Faramir is arguing with Denethor introducing us to the Prince of Dol Amroth, who says he is going south to fight off the Corsairs who have attacked Pelargir >Scene where Aragorn is recruiting the ghosts, have him throw in a line about "just one battle" or something like that, and have the king of the dead say "agreed" right when you think they're about to pounce and kill the Grey Company rather than lol xd dumb skull avalanche jk we'll fight gotcha. >Aragorn and Grey Company ride out of the Mountains like bats out of hell followed by a giant scary ghost army unto a battle between the corsairs attacking the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by the Prince of Dol Amroth (introduced earlier). >Battle is over in seconds as the ghosts terrify all the corsairs into jumping into the water and drowning or just dying of fright >Ghosts disappear smiling that their oaths are fulfilled after they attack the corsairs, cut scene where Aragorn may or might not let them go, because it seems like a plot hole to dumbasses. >Aragorn leads the Grey Company and the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by Prince of Dol Amroth onto the ships >Boom Grey Company jumps off the ships sounding their horns and crush the demoralized armies of Mordor instead of stupid ghosts.
I added one scene introducing the Prince of Dol Amroth because I think he's cool and should be in the movie, but everything else is just a change to an already existing scene maybe extending the scene one minute longer.
leads the Grey Company and the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by Prince of Dol Amroth onto the ships
This would be cool. There was almost nothing in the movie about the Gondorians getting a chance to show awe that their King has returned, like a Messiah out of a prophecy, leading a ghost army and carrying the sword of Elendil. >Some regular Gondorian soldiers having a chance to be awestruck at Aragorn would've given Gondor some more character.
Pretty based but from a screenplay perspective setting up the rangers would be extremely difficult. Also, while "leading a strategic assault on the flank" is more realistic, it doesn't necessarily play well on the screen. It needs to be a Cavalry charge and they did that already with Rohan, so why not a Ghost Cavalry charge.
Literally spooked people to death, they just wipeout the Corsair fleet going upriver to reinforce the siege and Aragorn then free them ghosts shortly after.
>Meanwhile, a fleet of black ships, apparently the navy of the Corsairs of Umbar, Sauron's allies, sailed up Anduin to the Harlond. Just before reaching the quays, the flagship unfurled the ancient banner of the Kings of Gondor. This sight alone put heart into the Rohirrim and Imrahil's forces and demoralised Sauron's armies. The ships indeed were manned by Aragorn and his Rangers, Gimli the Dwarf, Legolas the Elf, the Half-elven brothers Elladan and Elrohir, and fresh troops from southern Gondor.[T 5] Legolas and Gimli later relate how a ghostly host commanded by Aragorn, the Dead Men of Dunharrow, captured the ships from the Corsairs chiefly through fear.[T 7] >This proved the turning point of the battle. A large portion of Sauron's forces were now pinned between Aragorn's and Éomer's forces, while Imrahil's troops advanced from the direction of the city.[T 7] Though the advantage now rested with Gondor, fighting continued throughout the day, until at sunset no living enemy remained on the Pelennor Fields.[T 7]
do the books explain why they couldnt use the eagles without telling the eagles what they were doing? because gandalf ignoring the ring for 50 years makes it pretty clear that the ring doesnt influence people unless they can see it or touch it. even if the eagles were dicks about it you could put it in a box and have an elf run it up to mt doom in 3 days.
easy solution has good reason why not
thats how you make the story work and be interesting instead of a 3 hour conversation while being carried by eagles
>eagles arent your b***h >eagles arent easily contacted >eagles are prideful >mordor isnt safe to just fly into
Why would the eagles randomly help this time when they haven't helped for 99% of the other conflicts in Middle Earth?
because they helped several other times during the saga and saved frodo after we were promised he would die?
easy solution has good reason why not
thats how you make the story work and be interesting instead of a 3 hour conversation while being carried by eagles
They helped a couple of times because their king owed Gandalf (a maiar) a favour.
As representatives of a Valar they weren't really supposed to get involved.
The Eagles probably would have helped if Gandalf asked. They help Gandalf out of nearly every other mess he ever gets himself into >Save Gandalf and a bunch of dwarves and a lil monkey fella trapped in a tree surrounded by goblins, and delivers them to the Eerie (not far). >Show up unrequested to kill orcs at the battle of five armies, after it looks like the good guys (including Gandalf) are gonna lose, because... They just hate orcs that much.. okay??? >Spring Gandalf from his prison in Orthanc and delivers him to Edoras (not far), where he links up with Shadowfax (need it or keep it?). >Rescue Gandalf from the Celebdil after Durin's stair collapses, and delivers him to Lothlorien (not far) >Show up unrequested to kill orcs at the battle of the Black Gate, after it looks like the good guys (including Gandalf) are gonna lose, because... They just hate orcs that much.. okay??? >Carry Gandalf to Mt. Doom to pick up 2 lil monkey fellas and deliver them back to the Black Gate (not far).
So I guess the real answer is, that the Eagles are fine doing delivery service, but they can't carry you very far. I bet Gandalf's plan was to get close to Mordor and then use the Eagles to fly over the Mountains of Shadow (quick little flight) and then stealth up to mt. doom. I'd have done it right at Cair Andros in Ithilien. It's the shortest difference to travel across Mordor straight towards Mt. Doom.
>make sense for a battle >charging cavalry into massed spear infantry makes sense
Only in movieland
Irl you rode your horses at infantry because it's scary and you hoped the infantry would piss themselves and run away so you could stab them in the back - if they stood their ground you peeled off and fled on your horses (or wheeled around and shot them with your saddle pistol if you lived in the based black powder era)
>if they stood their ground you peeled off and fled on your horses
only if they had a pike longer than your lance.
if your lance was longer, you can still frick them up and ride away. Cavalry really do have a massive advantage of deciding when and how the fight happens.
Books are even more gay, the trees come in and smash up the orcs at helm's deep to save the day rather than destroying isengard like in the movie. The armies of men are saved by deus ex merry and pippen and their forest friends. it super weak and gay.
I can't believe we'll never see a release with online play for this masterpiece
endlessly seething at this
mostly BFMEII though, the first one is fun but BFMEII is where it's at
Its because the shots communicate scale constantly. This will be a truly autistic rant but want the Battle of Endor space scenes and notice how many shots are tiny ships whizzing past the camera at high speed. Modern movies are too indulgent and have the camera zooming around the ship, focusing on close ups of the models and generally focusing on smaller details rather than the big picture. DO it homosexuals, compare Edor to any sequel trilogy space battle scene and its plain as day why the new space battles suck.
I finally gave LotR a chance and started with the books and really enjoyed them. Almost even loved them. Then I watched the movies and I couldn't believe how inferior they were. This moment is one of those moments I thought was pure Hollywood Schlock
I can forgive a lot of things Jackson does but having Gandalf get humbled by the Witch King is the worst. He fought all 9 at weathertop and the scene from the book is so much cooler and would have worked for a movie anyway. Its just a badass western stand off with a wizard and a ghost.
Not to mention Gandalf was a ring bearer during that moment and would have had no issue holding his own. Pure slop. Tolkien's work is so much better because it's entirely his vision through and through. Gandalf is consistently well written in the books. Never succumbs to slop even once.
It's always different when you wait your whole life for a great book to be turned into a movie than reading children's books for the first time when you're of adult age and really enjoying them.
if these ghosties had spooked the orcs and allowed the humans to get the upper hand, then it would be terrific.
but i guess jackson needed to wrap up the battle
if the ghosts were that good the whole story should have been about them.
"cmon aragorn, stop being a gay, heres your sword, go get the those ghosts. frodo will wait here untill you have carved a path to mount doom"
>but i guess jackson needed to wrap up the battle
He back himself into a corner with the elephant army. He thought, "this is just too cool to not put on screen, this army of 5x size elephants that stretches to the horizon." Once committed, he had no choice at that point. That's what CGI brought us. They get powermad.
Biggest fricking mistake of the movie trilogy. The more you think about it the worse it gets. Like why the frick wouldn't Elrond mention this during the initial council? >Oh yeah, almost forgot lol, we have this invincible ghost army that Aragorn's lineage gets to call upon. Actually the shards of Narsil are right fricking here, let's get cracking. Stop moping, Aragorn, we can have this war over with in two days.
Only way I can cope with why they didn't do this is that it's basically a last ditch resort suicide mission that they don't even know would work.
But it's still moronic that the ghosts wouldn't be mentioned earlier, and I hate having to do mental gymnastics - Peter Jackson fricked up on this part.
Dude was still absolutely asspained from the Chad "No" that Aragorn's distant ancestor dropped on him a gotillion years ago in the 2nd age. So he hemmed and hawwed until his daughter nagged him to let her deadbeat druggie bf have the keys to the lakehouse for the weekend for some special alone time ;), or in this case, reforge the sword of the king and thus acknowledge that Aragorn has dominion over Middle Earth and the 4th age once all the elves leave for good.
Jamie, pull up the picture of Merry smoking the pipe.
Why not just get the invincible ghost army and destroy Mordor? Why did he release them after one battle? What was the point of sending this dude on a mission to destroy the ring when he had the power to summon an invincible ghost army? What was Gandalf thinking risking him and Frodo together? Why wasn't Rohan told about the invincible ghost army?
ANSWER ME HACKSON
No other film or show in fiction will have a war thats as great as helms deep. That alone made twin towers the better film then return of the king
I just cant believe how much they fricked up pelennor fields battle in the movie . It ruined the trilogy from being near perfect aside from the dated CG
Not in the books.
This.
A. they're not ghosts,
B. they're not involved in the siege of Minas Tirith
>A. they're not ghosts,
They literally are. They spook Umbar corsairs, allowing Aragorn to capture their ships and quickly bring reinforcements from the southern fiefs to Minas Tirith.
Too bad we're on Cinemaphile and not Cinemaphile
What happened in the hacky books again? I forgot
The ghosts were just really spooky.
Aragorn recruits the ghosts as per the movie, they use them to scare the corasairs off the ships, they have no corporal form so can't actually harm anyone, but they were frightening enough to scare the corsairs off their ships. Aragorn then fills the now vacant ships with his ranger buddies and then sail to aid in the battle. This section of the story is told largely from Merry's perspective and Rohan believes the ships are Sauron's reinforcements and we're lead to believe that as well its been several chapters since we've heard from Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli. All hope is lost when the reinforcements of mordor arrive, then the banner unfurls and its the black banner with white tree, the banner of the king of Gondor, Aragon then leads a decisive assault on Modor's flank, Mordor now pincered between Rohan and Aragorn's men routes.
Sounds insanely kino and like it was written by someone who knows how to write.
Easily one of the top 3 moments in Return of the King.
This was the moment where all of Gondor recognized Aragorn as their one true King, right?
Na, Aragorn still sits outside of Minas Tirith for a while after that to prove himself.
Gondor soldiers thought they were regular Corsairs coming to kill them all. On the book as in the movie its only the Rohirrim are close enough to see the white tree. Aragorn technically gets recognized when he heals Merry and Éowyn after the battle with the Witch Kang.
Truly a masterpiece. I kneel.
>they use them to scare the corasairs off the ships
>Aragorn then fills the now vacant ships
Wait, did they literally throw themselves to the water upon seeing the ghosts?
They were very spooky ghosts.
Imagine the horror of your parents finding out what you jerk off to and how fast you'd run away from that situation.
That's what the corsairs felt.
Yes, and the ones who didn't run died of fright.
Cool summary
Movie is a bit shit at this bit. Seems too easy
Anyone with half a brain can see that this wouldn't work in film form. It's a massive detour from the main plot with a shitload of new places and characters in an already overstuffed movie. Making the ghost army fight directly was the best solution.
It's kinda the same situation as the tentacle creature in the Watchmen movie: either you waste a bunch of time and resources for this subplot or you bite he bullet and replace it with a fake Manhattan attack to trim the fat.
and yet they take their time to inject huge amounts of far worse scenes, like every scene they add with frodo/sam/gollum, such as faramir taking them to osgiliath, or frodo believing gollum when he says that sam has betrayed him.
Even so they could've made the ghosts less ridiculously powerful. Have them degrade over time when away from the mountains or something so it's not as jarring why Aragorn wouldn't just ask to clear out Mordor in 5 mins.
They're cowards, nothing stopping Sauron saying hey work for me and I'll give you something better than freedom, dude trust me
The way you'd do it is you'd leave it on a cliffhanger at Dunharrow, we don't know what happens to A/G/L after all the spooky ghosts show up, audience might think they're dead or captured. Then you have them show up and win the day, then when everyone is being reunited gimli explains what happened you do a quick flashback to him commanding the undead to spook the corsairs off their boats.
you'd have to leave some hints in there about what aragorn & CO might be up to beforehand, otherwise it coming out of nowhere with no set-up would be too jarring
This wouldn't even be hard to pull off though.
>When Elrond shows up, just introduce the rest of a simplified Grey Company of other Dunedain rangers, since we already know who they are (skip Elronds twins)
>One quick scene around the time Faramir is arguing with Denethor introducing us to the Prince of Dol Amroth, who says he is going south to fight off the Corsairs who have attacked Pelargir
>Scene where Aragorn is recruiting the ghosts, have him throw in a line about "just one battle" or something like that, and have the king of the dead say "agreed" right when you think they're about to pounce and kill the Grey Company rather than lol xd dumb skull avalanche jk we'll fight gotcha.
>Aragorn and Grey Company ride out of the Mountains like bats out of hell followed by a giant scary ghost army unto a battle between the corsairs attacking the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by the Prince of Dol Amroth (introduced earlier).
>Battle is over in seconds as the ghosts terrify all the corsairs into jumping into the water and drowning or just dying of fright
>Ghosts disappear smiling that their oaths are fulfilled after they attack the corsairs, cut scene where Aragorn may or might not let them go, because it seems like a plot hole to dumbasses.
>Aragorn leads the Grey Company and the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by Prince of Dol Amroth onto the ships
>Boom Grey Company jumps off the ships sounding their horns and crush the demoralized armies of Mordor instead of stupid ghosts.
I added one scene introducing the Prince of Dol Amroth because I think he's cool and should be in the movie, but everything else is just a change to an already existing scene maybe extending the scene one minute longer.
leads the Grey Company and the levies of Lossarnach and Lamedon led by Prince of Dol Amroth onto the ships
This would be cool. There was almost nothing in the movie about the Gondorians getting a chance to show awe that their King has returned, like a Messiah out of a prophecy, leading a ghost army and carrying the sword of Elendil.
>Some regular Gondorian soldiers having a chance to be awestruck at Aragorn would've given Gondor some more character.
Honestly, the scenes with gollum are so awful, you could've cut a good bit of those to make room for this. I wish there was a fan edit without him.
do you hate and want to kill baby monkeys or something?
What men did Aragorn have??
He has some rangers that came to join him. Then I think (?) he picks up a garrison from another gondorian town while traveling along the river.
Pretty based but from a screenplay perspective setting up the rangers would be extremely difficult. Also, while "leading a strategic assault on the flank" is more realistic, it doesn't necessarily play well on the screen. It needs to be a Cavalry charge and they did that already with Rohan, so why not a Ghost Cavalry charge.
Literally spooked people to death, they just wipeout the Corsair fleet going upriver to reinforce the siege and Aragorn then free them ghosts shortly after.
>Meanwhile, a fleet of black ships, apparently the navy of the Corsairs of Umbar, Sauron's allies, sailed up Anduin to the Harlond. Just before reaching the quays, the flagship unfurled the ancient banner of the Kings of Gondor. This sight alone put heart into the Rohirrim and Imrahil's forces and demoralised Sauron's armies. The ships indeed were manned by Aragorn and his Rangers, Gimli the Dwarf, Legolas the Elf, the Half-elven brothers Elladan and Elrohir, and fresh troops from southern Gondor.[T 5] Legolas and Gimli later relate how a ghostly host commanded by Aragorn, the Dead Men of Dunharrow, captured the ships from the Corsairs chiefly through fear.[T 7]
>This proved the turning point of the battle. A large portion of Sauron's forces were now pinned between Aragorn's and Éomer's forces, while Imrahil's troops advanced from the direction of the city.[T 7] Though the advantage now rested with Gondor, fighting continued throughout the day, until at sunset no living enemy remained on the Pelennor Fields.[T 7]
>well uhh and then he fainted!! and when he came to the battle was over
-every battle written by Hackien
do the books explain why they couldnt use the eagles without telling the eagles what they were doing? because gandalf ignoring the ring for 50 years makes it pretty clear that the ring doesnt influence people unless they can see it or touch it. even if the eagles were dicks about it you could put it in a box and have an elf run it up to mt doom in 3 days.
easy solution has good reason why not
thats how you make the story work and be interesting instead of a 3 hour conversation while being carried by eagles
>eagles arent your b***h
>eagles arent easily contacted
>eagles are prideful
>mordor isnt safe to just fly into
Why would the eagles randomly help this time when they haven't helped for 99% of the other conflicts in Middle Earth?
because they helped several other times during the saga and saved frodo after we were promised he would die?
this answer is honest so i will accept it.
They helped a couple of times because their king owed Gandalf (a maiar) a favour.
As representatives of a Valar they weren't really supposed to get involved.
he wouldnt need to call the other favors if they gave frodo a ride.
The Eagles probably would have helped if Gandalf asked. They help Gandalf out of nearly every other mess he ever gets himself into
>Save Gandalf and a bunch of dwarves and a lil monkey fella trapped in a tree surrounded by goblins, and delivers them to the Eerie (not far).
>Show up unrequested to kill orcs at the battle of five armies, after it looks like the good guys (including Gandalf) are gonna lose, because... They just hate orcs that much.. okay???
>Spring Gandalf from his prison in Orthanc and delivers him to Edoras (not far), where he links up with Shadowfax (need it or keep it?).
>Rescue Gandalf from the Celebdil after Durin's stair collapses, and delivers him to Lothlorien (not far)
>Show up unrequested to kill orcs at the battle of the Black Gate, after it looks like the good guys (including Gandalf) are gonna lose, because... They just hate orcs that much.. okay???
>Carry Gandalf to Mt. Doom to pick up 2 lil monkey fellas and deliver them back to the Black Gate (not far).
So I guess the real answer is, that the Eagles are fine doing delivery service, but they can't carry you very far. I bet Gandalf's plan was to get close to Mordor and then use the Eagles to fly over the Mountains of Shadow (quick little flight) and then stealth up to mt. doom. I'd have done it right at Cair Andros in Ithilien. It's the shortest difference to travel across Mordor straight towards Mt. Doom.
*invisible
They are ghosts.
At least Helms Deep's deus ex for winning would make sense for a battle. The ghosts were a really lame way to end such a massive battle
>make sense for a battle
>charging cavalry into massed spear infantry makes sense
Only in movieland
Irl you rode your horses at infantry because it's scary and you hoped the infantry would piss themselves and run away so you could stab them in the back - if they stood their ground you peeled off and fled on your horses (or wheeled around and shot them with your saddle pistol if you lived in the based black powder era)
>if they stood their ground you peeled off and fled on your horses
only if they had a pike longer than your lance.
if your lance was longer, you can still frick them up and ride away. Cavalry really do have a massive advantage of deciding when and how the fight happens.
Books are even more gay, the trees come in and smash up the orcs at helm's deep to save the day rather than destroying isengard like in the movie. The armies of men are saved by deus ex merry and pippen and their forest friends. it super weak and gay.
Never read the books have you?
BRAVO TOLKIEN
why didn't they just go to Mordor with this army?
Because Aragon gave them his word he would release them after saving Minas Tirith.
well that was I was moronic why didn't he just say "and Mordor"?
Because the oath they broke was to defend Minas Tirith, not to invade Mordor. Even ghosts would think this was sus.
i hate hackson so much
these guys would always crash my game
I can't believe we'll never see a release with online play for this masterpiece
endlessly seething at this
mostly BFMEII though, the first one is fun but BFMEII is where it's at
there's this
https://www.moddb.com/mods/battle-for-middle-earth-patch-222/downloads/patch-222
why the frick didn't these ghosts just kill all of Sauron's guys and Sauron himself? They move fast as frick and can kill anything
They are REALLY tired after running around the field and castle all day. They wanna go sleep for all eternity NOW.
make the eagles carry them to Mordor
>2023
>lotr is still among the best written fantasy to ever exist
How
The same reason as:
>Return of the Jedi is 40 years old
>still the best spce battle ever put to film
Its because the shots communicate scale constantly. This will be a truly autistic rant but want the Battle of Endor space scenes and notice how many shots are tiny ships whizzing past the camera at high speed. Modern movies are too indulgent and have the camera zooming around the ship, focusing on close ups of the models and generally focusing on smaller details rather than the big picture. DO it homosexuals, compare Edor to any sequel trilogy space battle scene and its plain as day why the new space battles suck.
Scariff is the only nuwars battle to give Endor a run for its money because it does a lot of similar things
aaaaaaaaa help me iluvatar
I finally gave LotR a chance and started with the books and really enjoyed them. Almost even loved them. Then I watched the movies and I couldn't believe how inferior they were. This moment is one of those moments I thought was pure Hollywood Schlock
I can forgive a lot of things Jackson does but having Gandalf get humbled by the Witch King is the worst. He fought all 9 at weathertop and the scene from the book is so much cooler and would have worked for a movie anyway. Its just a badass western stand off with a wizard and a ghost.
I imagine the line of thinking was
>We need to hype up the Witch King and make him look super powerful for when Eowyn kills him
Yeah its basically a worf situation, its tacky. We already know the witch king is a bad dude, don't need to have him beat GANDALF to prove it.
>worf situation
It's called jobbing, worf and Gandalf are jobber schmucks
Not to mention Gandalf was a ring bearer during that moment and would have had no issue holding his own. Pure slop. Tolkien's work is so much better because it's entirely his vision through and through. Gandalf is consistently well written in the books. Never succumbs to slop even once.
thats such great art, where can i find more of this
it's AI-generated, just prompt more
The LoTR ICE RPG.
I too am a vegan!
It's always different when you wait your whole life for a great book to be turned into a movie than reading children's books for the first time when you're of adult age and really enjoying them.
as Borges said, pointless.
even Borges wasn't without flaw
if these ghosties had spooked the orcs and allowed the humans to get the upper hand, then it would be terrific.
but i guess jackson needed to wrap up the battle
if the ghosts were that good the whole story should have been about them.
"cmon aragorn, stop being a gay, heres your sword, go get the those ghosts. frodo will wait here untill you have carved a path to mount doom"
>but i guess jackson needed to wrap up the battle
He back himself into a corner with the elephant army. He thought, "this is just too cool to not put on screen, this army of 5x size elephants that stretches to the horizon." Once committed, he had no choice at that point. That's what CGI brought us. They get powermad.
>LET THE LARD OF THE BLARK LARND CARM FARTH
Biggest fricking mistake of the movie trilogy. The more you think about it the worse it gets. Like why the frick wouldn't Elrond mention this during the initial council?
>Oh yeah, almost forgot lol, we have this invincible ghost army that Aragorn's lineage gets to call upon. Actually the shards of Narsil are right fricking here, let's get cracking. Stop moping, Aragorn, we can have this war over with in two days.
Only way I can cope with why they didn't do this is that it's basically a last ditch resort suicide mission that they don't even know would work.
But it's still moronic that the ghosts wouldn't be mentioned earlier, and I hate having to do mental gymnastics - Peter Jackson fricked up on this part.
Dude was still absolutely asspained from the Chad "No" that Aragorn's distant ancestor dropped on him a gotillion years ago in the 2nd age. So he hemmed and hawwed until his daughter nagged him to let her deadbeat druggie bf have the keys to the lakehouse for the weekend for some special alone time ;), or in this case, reforge the sword of the king and thus acknowledge that Aragorn has dominion over Middle Earth and the 4th age once all the elves leave for good.
Jamie, pull up the picture of Merry smoking the pipe.
>invincible
but i can see them
Holy ESL.
Holy newbie!
Why not just get the invincible ghost army and destroy Mordor? Why did he release them after one battle? What was the point of sending this dude on a mission to destroy the ring when he had the power to summon an invincible ghost army? What was Gandalf thinking risking him and Frodo together? Why wasn't Rohan told about the invincible ghost army?
ANSWER ME HACKSON
lol what a total ripoff of the concept of stands from the comic DIESEL
Radiohead made a song about this, back in the day.
No other film or show in fiction will have a war thats as great as helms deep. That alone made twin towers the better film then return of the king
I just cant believe how much they fricked up pelennor fields battle in the movie . It ruined the trilogy from being near perfect aside from the dated CG