Are Gundams unnecessary large? Wing Zero is one of the smallest MS and it still towers over the YF-19.
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Are Gundams unnecessary large? Wing Zero is one of the smallest MS and it still towers over the YF-19.
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Gundam tech isn’t nearly as advanced as Macross so they probably aren’t able to build them that small
>Gundam tech isn’t nearly as advanced as Macross
The Wing Gundams literally have nanotech
yet they don’t go as fast or hit as hard as VFs
>powerleveling
fricking /m/.
im just gonna go back watching vtubers
>”why are gundams so large compared to VFs?”
>”probably because technology usually gets smaller as it gets more advanced”
>*proposes that wing gundams are in fact more advanced than VFs*
>*the evidence is refuted*
>”SHUT UP DUDE”
great conversation; run along back to twitch where you belong, dumbass
He's not necessarily wrong. Macross technology has the benefit of piggybacking off of the accomplishments of centuries or even millennia-old space empires, to say nothing of the race that created them, whereas most Gundam works are strictly Earth-centralized with (often) a series-specific power source to run it all.
In Macross not only do you have warships the size of cities, but also easy interstellar travel, artificial gravity not reliant on centripetal forces, massive colony ships with entire artificial atmospheres, energy barriers capable of producing either impenetrable shields or fists that can punch through anything, anti-matter warheads that can produce explosions that easily dwarf what nukes are capable of, shrinking literal giants down to human size and vice versa, the works. Compared to that, there have only been two Gundam series with interstellar travel (one involving literal magic pixie dust) and one with artificial gravity, most Gundam tech is usually an expansion on current human capabilities extrapolated to what may be possible in a century or so. The difference in power level is leagues apart.
None of which has bearing on the quality of either franchise, because powerlevel shit is fricking stupid.
have a nice day while you're at it
>falseflagging
>people falling for it
Fricking /m/
Macross tech is literally intergalactic
>intergalactic
planetary
planetary
intergalactic
A machine would be too large if it had a negative impact on the expected performance for the role they're supposed to fill. In the real world, the Gundams would just be massive slow targets that cost too much and get nothing done, so yes, they would be too large. The YF-19 fares a little better, but only because it turns into a jet, the other modes would be laughably ineffective in a war.
In the fantasy setting with magic physics they belong, Gundams aren't unecessarily large because they are good at what they're supposed to do. The size can easily be brushed off as a consequence of the engine, armor, weapons and environment.
The bigger the robot, the bigger the toy and the bigger the toy, the more plastic is sold.
>comparing a proper human caricature mecha to something that's meant to turn into something that resembles a real world jet in design and size
you've gotta have some better mecha toys to show off to compare sizes
Mortar Headds are my favourite pick for putting the size of MS into perspective because most people think they're larger than the Nu, while in reality they're only 15 metres tall
>>Are Gundams unnecessary large?
You homosexuals are a watching a franchise about giant robots, not tiny robots.
Those aren't in scale with one another.
Also, that's a VF19 Advance, not a YF19.
Also also that's the DX 19, it's gonna look lanky next to everything.
>Those aren't in scale with one another.
What scales are they then?
Well on a technicality due to creative liberties in the sculpt differing from the design proper, the 19 isn't actually 1/60.
So if anime magic were real, it would be taller? Not a convincing argument.
>Wing Zero is one of the smallest MS and it still towers over the YF-19.
Not in fighter mode. Mobile suits' heights are comparable to the length of fighter jets.
Is that before or after the 19 untucks its ass out from foldspace?
the OP is comparing the battroid mode
>the OP is comparing the battroid mode
Like I said
>I'm addressing OP's question that the Wing Zero's height isn't outplace when considering real life fighter jet sizes.
I made the point that the VF's fighter jet mode is longer than the height of wing zero so it being that tall isn't unnecessary but this is fiction so robots can be any size the creator wants anyways. I was just backing it up with real world examples.
Pic related is little longer than both machines. With 62 feet long or about 18.89m long.
>it’s clear that the Wing Zero is about 1.2 meters taller than the YF-19
I'm
YF-19 in fighter mode is like 18.62m long which trumps Wing Zero's 16.7m height.
>inb4 "But I'm comparing battroid mode"
I'm addressing OP's question that the Wing Zero's height isn't outplace when consider real life fighter jet sizes. Obviously mobile suits function differently from jet fighters but their size are comparable.
Also just for fun visualization
Picture's funny as GP01Fb and Alphonse both have OP themes based on Danger Zone used in Top Gun
But that's an F15 not a 14.
Gundams (and mobile suits) are almost always between 16 and 23 meters, usually 18. That's just how it's always been. The robots in one franchise have their respective sizes and the robots in another franchise can be a completely different size. Nobody gives a shit if the Wing Zero is taller than the VF-19.
Why the frick are you using the Wing Zero?
Victory is where it's at, man. 15.2 meters
Miniaturized later UC suits in general too
don't include me in the mass reply if you didn't actually read my post
Perhaps Mechs are as big as their plot deems necessary…
if we’re comparing Franchises… well, I’m fairly certain every Mecha has a counterpart that’s big enough to punt it like an American Football.
Ride Armor/Motoslaves? A Valkyrie can punt them.
A Valkyrie? psyco Gundam or Big Zam can Punt it.
Psyco? Well Kiryu can probably Punt it.
Rampaging Kiryu who won’t shut up about how he’s angry that he was reincarnated into a cyborg and made to beat up his kid?
Gurren Lagann can punt it.
>Perhaps Mechs are as big as their plot deems necessary…
gundam's a bit weird because it can easily work with smaller suits
I'm not sure there's a single mecha thing in existence where the mechs couldn't be a different size and suit the story. Patlabor is probably one of the more restricted ones, since the units can't be too big given they have to be something feasibly used in a city, but can't be too small since they have to do construction work. You could still make them at least twice the size without breaking suspension of disbelief or 4 to 6 meters instead of 8 and still feel plausibly able to do their job (both in construction and in a narrative sense). The 8 meters they're usually around is still good for what they have, but they could be larger or smaller really.
>Are Gundams unnecessary large?
In short - yes.
They're fricking colossal.
Most people don't realize what 20 fricking meters really means.
Unless you live in a megalopolis you won't be seeing anything 20 goddamn meters tall.
It's the height of fricking AT-AT.
When first produced Gundam was more "grounded" and "dramatic" take on regular super robot shows, like Mazinger. So they decided to make mechs the same size as Mazinger, because that was the thing at the time.
Since the franchise grew, it didn't make much sense to drastically change the scale, so average gundams still are around 20 meters.
But for the purpose of the narrative, in retrospect, it would make much more sense to make them 4~6 meters tall like in Front Mission, since they function as heavily armored infantry more than anything else.
20 meters is fricking walking mountain that should vaporize cities in minutes.
As for Valks, they're should be 8 meters tops, since it's basically Tomcat folded in two.
>Unless you live in a megalopolis you won't be seeing anything 20 goddamn meters tall.
What kinda backwater shithole do you live in that doesn't have building that tall?
Also, some fighter jets are longer than that, so 20 meters isn't as insane as you make it out to be
>some fighter jets are longer than that
Yeah longer, not taller.
I have 20 meters buildings where I live, to see the fricking top of it you should be around 100 meters away from it to begin with.
I googled, and YF-19 height is about 20 meters too, I guess that's because of how it transforms and original jet's size, which is reasonable.
Humanoid robot built just to be humanoid robot but 20 meters tall is unreasonable.
>I have 20 meters buildings where I live, to see the fricking top of it you should be around 100 meters away from it to begin with.
What does that have to do with anything
Like yeah 20m is moronic for a humanoid but we have life size gundam statues and they're not towering over the fricking city, 20m is like 6 stories tall
>they're not towering over the fricking city, 20m is like 6 stories tall
Because they build them near literal skyscrapers and shopping malls of the same size.
Imagine a squad of Zakus or Doms of this size stomping around.
God Warriors right fricking there.
>God Warriors right fricking there.
Yes, mobile suits run on rule of cool, no one's debating that. I'm just saying you're blowing their size of out proportion.
A gundam could reasonably hide behind buildings or take cover in even small city downtowns, they're not mountain sized.
>Imagine a squad of Zakus or Doms of this size stomping around.
> As for Valks, they're should be 8 meters tops, since it's basically Tomcat folded in two.
> Literally created within the narrative to fight on par with giants who are 10 to 20 meters tall inside their own ships
> They should be smaller than even the average Zentradi and about half the height of particularly large Zentradi like Britai (14 meters)
Yeah you're correct.
Again, Macrsoss is really smart about it's mech sizes, lore and weapons' application.
Gundam is not.
>As for Valks, they're should be 8 meters tops, since it's basically Tomcat folded in two.
Have you accounted for the fact that the VFs have actual functioning transformations and their transformation does rather accurately put them into their current sizes? Its not just folding in half.
>accurately put them into their current sizes
There's proportion cheats, especially the wienerpit and legs
Before the chunkmonkey toys worked it out, the official transformation of the leg was horseshit.
whoops forgot the pic
>As for Valks, they're should be 8 meters tops, since it's basically Tomcat folded in two.
I mean, it's more like a tomcat with the top third folded down. In that respect, the size is just about right. Of course, the normal VF-1 is a bit smaller than a Tomcat.
If anyone cares, the reason the VF-1 is small was to make it more distinct from Gundam. There was a lot of juggling mecha sizes for the purposes of the merchandise. The typical scales for Macross stuff was 1/100 and 1/72 so it looked different on the shelves from gunpla which was usually 1/144 and 1/100.
Mobile Suits are mostly analogous to fighter jets. They get launched from carriers and a usually one-man vehicles.
Fighter jets don't stand upright.
No but the F-15 can do a perfect vertical climb, checkmate gravity.
The VF-1 is the second-smallest fully transformable Valkyrie. Only the VF-9 is smaller.
>20m
Out of my way manlet fricking shits.
Psycho Gundam was a magical thing.
Mazinger Z and the Gundam are both 18 meters tall because they're meant to be 10 times the size of an ordinary human
They kinda are stupidly big, which makes for a funny contrast with the "real robot" label normalgays love plastering on the franchise.
Do you get paid to be this moronic?
Having an ol 'tism fit?
>Are Gundams unnecessary large?
They are nuclear
size
I'm surprised that Z and Jeeg were so small compared to others. I thought they'd be a bit taller
How does one fit inside the Pilder, it looks so small and cramped.
Maybe it's not that Z is big, but more that Koji is very small
The Pilder is just a compact car for a Japanese teenager.
Koji is 16 yo jap.
They're the size of american women.
>They're the size of american women.
Come on, japanese aren't THAT fat
I'm more concerned about the giant batteries.
The VF-1 is ready to be the star of Iron Eagle Five...thousand.
Hm, kinda weird that the Valkyrie is 4 meters shorterthan the plane its based on.
To be fair the Tomcat is a behemoth of a plane.
Apparently the Eagle inches it out but the Eagle too is a tennis court worth of plane.
Anyway if you permit Macross Zero for consideration, the major factor in what lets the Valkyrie achieve such a small size seems to be the thermonuclear jet engine. The Phoenix gains a lot of length due to the conventional gas jet turbine it was pressed into service with.
There's a ton of unnecesserily large robots, rule of cool.
The VF-1 being based on the F-14 had more to do with the mechanics of the plane with its swing wings and a place to store the arms underneath where the Tomcat carries its missiles.
Macross kind of follows the "Hi-Lo" mix idea with larger, more capable planes, existing alongside the smaller, less capable ones. It's just hard to judge when at heart they're all super jets that can achieve orbit, shoot tons of missiles, and have laser guns.