>Has had exactly 1 good story in 39 years
>Was so 1-note that people voted to kill him
>Came back in a groundbreaking story
>Proceeds to spend the rest of his days as another 1-note character, with the goodwill of that one groundbreaking story carrying him.
Seriously, has this man even had a good story that wasn't Under The Red Hood? And i mean a story focussing on him, not just a good story that he just so happens to be there for.
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>a groundbreaking story
HAHHAAHHAHAHA
Normies don't know who this is.
Most normie Batman fans have seen the movie. They know the costume and proclaim Jason to be the single best character in the franchise.
Normies don't consume these. Normies watch the live-action movies.
Normies mean women
Anon the landscape has changed alot since the 2000s, games are basically movies' biggest competition to the point where movies now imitate games. "Normies" are no longer a nebulous group of 25+year old normies who grew out of video games after childhood, they're increasingly people who grew up with videogames being ubiquitous in everydaylife
moron.
He's in Arkham because he's popular, not popular because he's in Arkham.
Not quite. He's a full blown villain in Arkham Knight and he's got a new identity too.
He's a new identity in Arkham because they didn't expect everyone calling their bluff and and figured he was Jason.
You people really forget that wave of Batmania from 2008-2012 after The Dark Knight where normies were consuming all this batmedia. The arkham games and the DTV movies introduced a lot of people to more batsuff after coming off TDK
That's my point, they kept his identity secret instead of saying "here's Jason, buy our game".
They did have Red Hood as pre-order bounce, tho.
Michael Lane was in Arkham, and no one knows who he is
>Seriously, has this man even had a good story that wasn't Under The Red Hood?
Red Hood: Lost days, Winick's Dickbat and Robin 80th anniversary are great.
He was ruined by New 52. Not just because they put him back in the motorcycle jacket, but because they made him an anti-hero to appease fangirls and shit. Jason should be a villain, otherwise the tragedy of his death is meaningless.
>if he doesn't come back as a villain is death isn't tragic
Just say you want him to be a villain and don't try to justify it. Mental gymnastic isn't healthy for the brain.
It's all thanks to the AK game. He was very well receive in the Titans show as well.
>Jason should be a villain
Anti-villain. He is a bad guy but not completely evil and he will help good guys if he's in a good mood.
What makes Jason a bad guy, while someone that kills much more than he does like Bucky is a good guy?
Bucky is just a soldier but Jason is literally a mafia boss.
I've never seen a character that uses guns be as useless with them. Even Punisher kills some people every now and then. I feel like people just like the idea of what Red Hood is and his costume over the actual content we get in his stories.
That's what happens when you want your cake and eat it too.
>I want this character to be mature and dark and edgy like me
>but I also want him to be tied to Batman and more or less a good guy and appear in media children can consume
Wolverine is the same thing.most of the time.
>Wolverine is the same thing.most of the time
Wolverine kills people all the time though
>normies
>jason todd
This is the delusion I come to Cinemaphile to see.
Jason is the normie's favorite Robin though.
Nah, just for women and gays suffering from hybristophilia.
Normalgays ("normies" is what normalgays call other normalgays, don't use it) don't even know that there are multiple Robins
I think he is refering to Batman "Fans" AKA, the guys that watched The Dark Knight and Joker, then decided to check out some of the animated movies and go round spouting how the Joker is the greatest villain of all time.
A lot of these motherfrickers exist and they all say the same thing "Jason Todd is the best Bat Family member"
Joker IS the greatest villain of all time. Whether you love him or seethe about him, it's an objective fact that Joker as a character is the most famous and influential adversary in fiction barring actual Satan in the Bible.
He's certainly the greatest Batman villain. That's not even a debate.
Anyone who’s starred in as much garbage as the Joker can’t be "the greatest villain of all time". Sure he can be ONE of the greats but THE greatest? Absolutely not.
Lobdell is his best writer
The problem is Jason is the literal incarnation of 'You NEED to kill the Joker Bruce.' but seeing as how DC has given Joker more plot armor than every Shounen Jump MC combined because they're creatively bankrupt and can't write a Batman story without him this will never happen. Therefore Jason himself can never be a character beyond that.
The point is that Jason is evil, idiot. Batman doesn't kill because he's a hero, and Jason had let himself fall into evil out of his own weakness.
That was the intent on paper. It's not how it was received by everyone, however. An audience that doesn't care about comics is even less likely to get that message when they see Batman try to save captain nazi or Joker.
Jason let himself become just as evil as captain nazi and Joker. If bruce were forced to kill Joker then there is no reason for him not to snap Jason's neck.
>Jason let himself become just as evil as captain nazi and Joker.
That's the intent on paper. yes. But anyone who don't buy into comics logic won't undesrtand a guy killing kingpins = hitler sympathizer or lol mass murderer.
Jason at his worst was doing stuff like decapitating heads and using them for intimidation tactics, that goes beyond pragmatic killing and more to him just being a psycho.
Who kills more often, objectively: the "hero" Winter Soldier or the "psycho" Red Hood?
You just dont get it. Whose heads had he decapited? Thugs, dealers, criminals, human traffickers? And most of that may or not be canon depending on writers. If you think people who don't suffer from cape autism will judge him the same as a mass murderering clown and a guy who goes by the name of captain nazi, you need a serious reality check.
>literally a mafia boss.
>doesn't runs a criminal organisation
Jason is more like part-time vigilant and part-time mercenary (outlaw).
>Whose heads had he decapited? Thugs, dealers, criminals, human traffickers? And most of that may or not be canon depending on writers
Anon its his first fricking story back from the dead. Besides, whether they deserved it or not is besides the point, this isn't shit something a decent person does.
Even the Punisher rarely goes for these tactics, this is cartel shit
that said modern Jason is nothing like this, and that's a good thing. Under the Hood era jason was never written as something that could last in a longterm world. He's the anti-lampshade, he breaks the suspension of disbelief of the world.
I feel like people forget Jasom didn't want to kill the Joker, he wanted Bruce to kill him. You can easily have Joker not be killed by Jason by keeping to that idea.
Personally think making Red Hood an anti-hero was a bad move as he works far better as a Batman and Bat family rogue being one of Batmans biggest failures and being a "Batman that kills"
So he's DC's Boba Fett?
I think he's more like DC's Dante.
He's such a mess.
>actually he's cool with Bruce now
>no wait he;'s not anymore
>oh, no, they're cool again
>he uses guns because he used guns in his first story back
>yes, I know he was using guns so it would hurt Bruce but what do you want him to use, crowbars?
>actually yeah, give him crowbars
>you know what, back to guns
>look he's fricking Talia, isnt he cool?
>look he's fricking Starfire, isn't he cool?
>look, he's fricking Barbara, isn't he cool?
>look he's fricking Artemis isn't he cool
>look he's fricking all the women characters, isn't he cool?
And he is still going by Red Hood, honoring the good name of The Joker because... well, um, it's not like these bat adjacent characters have switched names before, right?
Jason calling himself Red Hood has the same feeling as rappers throwing around the n word so they can reclaim it.
>Literally any Marvel hero killing people while telling jokes
"KINOOOOOOOO!!! THANK YOU MAHVEL!!"
>Jason Todd kills a rapist once in a blue moon
"NOOOOOOOOOO RED HOOD CAN'T BE A HERO HE HAS TO BE A VILLAIN HE KILLS PEOPLE WHAT IS DC THINKING!!!!"
It's hilarious how Cinemaphile moved from
>NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM AND HE IS SUPER UNPOPULAR
to
>HE IS ONLY POPULAR BECAUSE OF MUH NORMIES!
It's amazing how few years can make a big change
I like Jason. He's an angry guy that wants to do good but likes the idea of killing to just get it over with. He's a more fun Punisher.
I like his outfit but I dropped his comic because I expected Red Hood killing bad guys but I got fricking knock off Wonder Woman and down syndrome Superman.
Jason has people who like him for the following factors:
He recognizes that crime cannot be elimated
He wants to cap the fricking clown and end the revolving Arkham bullshit
He fails obviously because he cannot outshine Joker's husband and cannot kill the clown off, at least permanently.
I like Jason Todd because he's a normal grounded human mentally stuck in a world of insane and idiotic pacifism mixed with corruption. Jason knows that a real hero has to decide to kill evil criminals who cross a certain line. But the main problem? This is DC's shitty super hero world. So you know that villains will never die. And even worse? Jason Todd is a BATMAN character a franchise famous for its villains. Good luck trying to convince anyone even a boring villain like Black Mask should be killed off in any permanent manner.
So because we know Jason Todd will be wiener blocked by DC's staff Jason Todd automatically becomes a superfluous useless character with no real point to him. That's what hurts Jason Todd, the literal mentality of how the super hero industry works as directed by companies like DC.
Jason breaks the Gotham suspension of disbelief because he's this badass that kills the people Batman won't and yet still hasn't killed even one marketable villain
NORMIES NORMIES NORMIES REEEEEEEE I HATE NORMIESSSSS
I have fanfics for that. Honestly the arc soured Batman for me. I cannot root for a character who wont avenge his family. It'd been fine if Jason would actually kill Joker only for Talia or Ras or someone with a Lazarus pit bring the clown back for revenge.
The Under the Red Hed Movie single handly made Jason mainstream.
That's really impressive for a dtv