Wife has been a fricking prude for the last four years and I unironically feel like my mental health has plumetted. And that's with fricking at least a few times a year. I can't imagine how guys who don't frick their wives for years do it. Women are fricking evil.
it's not gonna get any better unless something happened 4 years ago. I had to leave one of the nicest most awesome woman I knew because her sex drive was just not there. it sucks but there's nothing worse than having sexual frustration, for either side. it manifests in tons of normal interactions too.
My body count is over 20. But last year I met someone I genuinely cared for. The intimacy level was 11/10. Never experienced that before. We broke up. She did the typical go psycho after 6 months and become a completely different person thing but I digress. Now I've been craving that level of intimacy again and its been rough. So sex in general is not necessary. But once you've had the kind of sex where you are just frickin connected, that's different. That's something you crave once you've had it.
Trauma bonded by someone who changed suddenly and put you in the devaluation stage...many such cases. Im guessing the whole thing happened very fast? You basically fricked your way to a succubus.
i haven't had sex in almost seven years. sometimes i feel like i'm a lot more emotionless than i was years ago but i don't know if that's from lack of sex or poor sleep or just being a miserable frick
>Turbo autists and insecure men can't understand why watching a woman get fake fricked in a movie is sexy or appealing
I mean just step out of the closet, or don't watch those movies or shows if you don't like it. Some very, very important and brilliant films have sex scenes- (like "The name of the Rose", which has one of the hottest sex scenes in a movie ever and is super relevant to the main characters development).
Sometimes, but only if the sex scenes:
1. Add to the characterization of those involved.
And/or
2. Moves the plot forward in a way that makes sense.
Say what you will about the sequel to Sin City, it does provide a good example of when a film has sex scenes that are essential the plot and can't reasonably be cut without detracting from the overall film.
There is never a plot driven reason for nudity, it is strictly to sell seats based on how much people want to see an actress naked, and for hot actresses it's a way to boost their careers (and it's a way for the producers who everybody knows are fricking them to show off what they own). You can have sex scenes without nudity if they're required for the plot.
Not even a purity gay, this is just true.
Sometimes, but only if the sex scenes:
1. Add to the characterization of those involved.
And/or
2. Moves the plot forward in a way that makes sense.
Say what you will about the sequel to Sin City, it does provide a good example of when a film has sex scenes that are essential the plot and can't reasonably be cut without detracting from the overall film.
The sex and nudity in pic related IS essential to the plot for one of the main short stories. Eva Green's story wouldn't work at all without the on-screen sex being shown. It's an actual plot point.
Watch it and you'll understand. Eva Green's whole character uses sex as a means of advancing her own devious plots. It's actually probably the best story out of the three or four.
The actual sex scenes aren't that explicit because they're so stylized but removing those scenes would make her story confusing
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I guarantee that movie with the cucked rich guy and his dom woman (idk wtf it's called, you know the one) has more characterization and plot progression in the sex scenes in those webms people post than anything in a sin city movie and there's no nudity, at least not in those webms (I'm not trying to praise the movie, there might be nudity at other times, just using those shots as an example).
True. Or sometimes the producer is the actress and they know people will only watch the movie if they know they will see their breasts (like Kate Mara in My Days or Mercy, Margot Robbie in Dreamland, Alison Brie in Anyone But You, etc...)
>plot driven reason >required for the plot
Plot isn't the only significant aspect of a film. Peter Greenaway would argue that it's the least important aspect of a film, and that film leaning on literature and storytelling has been the downfall and stagnation of what should have been a primarily visual medium.
Painters and sculptors have used the human form in it's purest state as a subject of visual exploration for thousands of years, there's no reason why directors shouldn't do the same. Nudity can convey many things: intimacy, vulnerability, purity, egolessness (Dr. Manhattan) etc. and there's no reason directors should be restricted from using every color on their palette.
I don't see nudity as something a director should have to apologize for or only incorporate it if utterly necessary anymore than I see any other visual element that way. Nobody would say that Fellini should only incorporate elaborate costumes or baroque sets and other visual elements when they are strictly necessary to the plot. Or that because the story of Wild Strawberries could have been told without its opening dream sequence, that Bergman should not have included it. Likewise, allow directors to use nudity with the same freedom that painters have.
I will agree that a lot of hack directors use nudity purely for titillation and to have a cheap sense of making something "mature" or "edgy", I don't really watch any tv but from what I hear HBO shows do this a lot, but regardless that shouldn't have any implications on the nudity in films by Greenaway, Roeg, Cronenberg, etc.
I'll concede that it CAN be used in theory like you're saying, though the vast, VAST majority is the HBO style edgy stuff that serves no purpose. The majority is so large that I'm fine with painting it with a single brush and addressing exceptions on an individual basis.
>though the vast, VAST majority is the HBO style edgy stuff that serves no purpose. The majority is so large that I'm fine with painting it with a single brush
This is just Sturgeon's Law though. Granted, me mostly watching stuff that I know I'll be interested in and not having watched a new tv show since the Twin Peaks revivial probably skews me more towards seeing nudity and sex scenes with more merit than those on HBO. To me its like trashing fight scenes in general just because most directors suck at doing them well in a way that's meaningful. Sure that's true, but we shouldn't frame our discussions about these things around forgettable Hollywood slop, we should frame discussions around the very best of them and how they can be used properly.
Greenaway
Complete piece of shit and pervert who can't either write or handle storytelling and tries to downplay the importance of plot because of it.
Sooner that pseudo intellectual fraud kicks the bucket, the better.
Ironically he can write and his movies have some of the most distinct and interesting dialogue out there. I think his "kill all screenwriters" comments have to be taken as being somewhat tongue-in-cheek when they're said by the man who wrote the scripts to The Draughtsman's Contract and The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover.
Again, I'm fine with bashing mindless fight and action scenes, as well as sex scenes, because I think the directors should be actively trying to justify their inclusion.
It's not even necessarily that I'm trying to suggest that the only thing that matters is the plot, my issue is that 99% of the time nude scenes are about the irl actress and not the movie or even her character.
Maybe I've misinterpreted your previous comments; I'm so used to seeing people argue that *all* sex and nudity scenes are pointless and only exist for titillation that I was reading what you were saying about painting with a broad brush that way. Sounds like we basically agree that sex scenes and violent scenes can be done with artistic integrity and can be an integral and important part of a movie made by a director who knows what he's doing, even if the majority of movies are slop and the majority of sex and fight scenes are just cheap titillation. >my issue is that 99% of the time nude scenes are about the irl actress and not the movie or even her character.
I think part of it is that the narrative keeps getting built up about the "bravery" and "daring" quality about these types of scenes even before they're released. I remember articles were coming out about Emma Stone's nudity in Poor Things for a while before the film released and quotes were circulating about Yorgos saying that Emma was fearless and had to have no qualms about the nudity, and inevitably it becomes a narrative that kind of overtakes the movie itself.
Even though there's a steady stream of semi-mainstream films with high profile actresses that get a lot of attention for their explicit sexual content going back to Last Tango in Paris, they're still infrequent enough and there's still so much discourse especially lately about nudity in films and zoomers not wanting it that it becomes the narrative. Nudity becomes like facial prosthetics or body transformations done for a role; it becomes so much of the narrative of the movie that it ends up being a distraction.
It's a shame Showgirls had to be the film to build a narrative about creating a precedent for legitimizing the idea of studios putting out a big NC-17 movie with artistic legitimacy, because one imagines that if something like Poor Things or Last Tango in Paris had taken that mantle and been successful we could have a (cont.)
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(cont.) renaissance of legitimately artistically serious and great movies dealing with sexuality very explicitly in the mainstream, which would be a good counterpoint in threads like these to the overwhelming amount of HBOslop we get today.
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Yorgos is a pimp and closet pedophile, Emma Stone a disgusting prostitute.
This times a million. The obsession with plot in film is a disaster. It has people watching movies and TV at 2x speed or watching 40 minute reaction video versions of movies, because they think the purpose of watching a movie is to find out what happens in it. "OMG, Captain America just picked up the hammer, I cheer this plot point."
Film is an experience. When Tobe Hooper was making Texas Chainsaw Massacre, he used tricks when he wanted the audience to jump, like cutting out frames so things happen faster than they're expected, and having the scare come from a part of the screen that the audience isn't looking at, so the audience has their attention on screen left, and then with no warning an attack comes from screen right moving faster than your mind expects it to.
Even titillation is valid. It's incredibly unhealthy that all these people are running around saying that it's acceptable, positive, and good to make pornography, but that sex and nudity in films is dangerous, unnecessary, abusive exploitation. You get less pushback going on Craigslist to hire a teenager for $500 to video the inside of her butthole in 4k and film a random 40 year old man fricking her mouth until she pukes, than you would filming a well-compensated actress naked in a shower, on a union set, for a 25 second scene in an action movie. We raise a generation of kids who are exposed to endless depictions of underpaid women being used and abused by men they don't know or like for profit, but congratulate ourselves we spare people from seeing depictions of people who love/like each other being naked and having sex for fun and pleasure.
>Painters and sculptors have used the human form in it's purest state as a subject of visual exploration for thousands of years, there's no reason why directors shouldn't do the same. Nudity can convey many things: intimacy, vulnerability, purity, egolessness
Perhaps not surprisingly, anime beats western film here.
What about in Old School? If Will Farrel hadn't been naked and streaking to the quad, his wife wouldn't have kicked him out and he wouldn't have joined the frat. It was totally plot driven nudity and proves your post wrong.
Bottle up all these actresses pussy juice and blend it together in a babybottle and hand it to me to feed on in my crib while I wear a diaper and make big stinkys
They boring crap. I'd much rather they just put the women in sexy costumes. But in clown world that is somehow more controversial than showing simulated sex.
Hoenstly, most of the time Im so focused on making it better for her and not just finishing bascially immediately that its more of a chore than fun. It used to be fun
The most fufilling part of sex is the intimacy which is supposed to come from the experience, the act itself is enjoyable but like ive said its all about her
Fricking b***h
If you're cut and jerk off- sex literally feels like nothing. If you're cut and don't use your hand while jerking off.. slightly better- at least you can feel something. If you didn't get your foreskin ripped off by israelitei- I mean "doctors" then you feel a lot more, and its actually a decent experience with a woman. Ultimately- a 100% honest no cap just buy a fleshlight. Sex is overrated. Its fun, foreplay is nice, and being close to a woman is nice, but I've never had great sex even when I was younger. So you just do you and maybe meet someone or get an escort someday and try it out if you feel like it.
I always saw it as a three stage event. Best is with a woman who you like each other and have great chemistry+ body language. Foreplay alone builds up such tension that is just awesome to release once you get there
Second level is just having a quality wank. It can be pretty decent as you are 100% in control but lacks the crucial elements of smell/sound/warmth etc.
Worst part is fricking some girl you are really not into or she into you. opposite to the first stage. Absolutely cringe and uncomfortable experience for both of you. Avoid at all costs. This is what sex starved morons dont get how all of that dance and routine dating a girl is important for acting as a litmus shit test that goes both ways
I used to be upset about sex scenes in movies until I started having sex myself, once you start getting it regularly you understand just how essential and basic it is to the human experience.
I honestly think virgins on this board should drop everything non-essential in their lives and focus on getting their dicks wet.
Take a shower
Dress ok
Go outside
Talk to people
Repeat until you find someone you're willing to sacrifice a portion of your life to in exchange for that person doing the same
>movie randomly shows a sunset or a beautiful landscape when its not relevant to the plot
UGH! I HATE BEAUTY! I HATE BEING MADE TO FEEL THINGS! MOVIES SHOULD JUST BE CLOSEUPS OF PEOPLE TALKING WITH OCCASIONAL EXPLOSIONS!
>JUST BE CLOSEUPS OF PEOPLE TALKING
What are you, a woman? There should just be shooting and explosions. You want to waste time and bullshit character stuff?
>what is the point of this shot? Just to be "pretty" or make me feel things? Ugh it adds nothing to the plot! In fact I think I'll just go read the script in another room, these visuals aren't necessary, neither is the music
>ugh what do the colors and the beautiful woman really ADD to the painting? You could convey the same concept with stick figures drawn in your own shit!
Over 90% of movie or TV sex scenes are irrelevant to plot. Sometimes a one or two sex scenes might be justified but pervs or hacks film like half dozen or more of them.
Sex is absolutely necessary. I don't think you appreciate just how utterly broken sexless people are. Not a single one of those people has an opinion on any subject that can ever be trusted.
Sex is absolutely necessary. I don't think you appreciate just how utterly broken sexless people are. Not a single one of those people has an opinion on any subject that can ever be trusted.
Oh wait, you mean IN FILM. Disregard, I thought you were talking about real life. Yeah I would say, in film, most sex scenes can be tuned down a bit, unless it's specifically a film meant to get couples in the mood. Those are nice.
Ironically it's the only good scene in the movie, because it's FUNNY. The two guys just start complaining because they're DPing here and they can feel each others' dicks so they pull out and get into a big argument. It's the only thing in the movie that isn't bland, drab, dull grey meaningless nonsense.
Absolutely. The human experience revolves around sex, sex is the most intimate and vunerable part of our lives and it should be used to convey strong emotional bonds or lack thereof. A rape scene is powerful because it's a brutal showcase of one's agency being stolen, a passionate consenting sex scene is powerful because it shows how emotionally connected two characters are. Then you can also tell the audience a lot about a character in how they treat sex on screen, The Wolf Of Wall Street and The Sopranos are good examples.
>should be used to convey strong emotional bonds
Should be but isn't
>A rape scene is powerful because it's a brutal showcase of one's agency being stolen
Rape scenes are fricking cheap and a dime a dozen. It's literally the most common lazy way for a hack filmmaker to say BAD GUY BAD
>The Wolf Of Wall Street
I can't take anything "starring" that babyfaced toddler seriously.
They're just weak. It's the same people who go >AAAAAAAAAA, I haven't had sex in 3 months, I'm going INSAAAAAAANE
that are the people who go >Omg I'm """locked down""" for 2 weeks! I'm going to kill myself! this is ruining my life!
>decide to check out the movie Poor Things cause of the Oscar noms >it's a fetish flick about a mental moron fricking her way through steam punk Europe
very rarely. but sometimes a sex scene is a moment of transformation between characters, a cathartic metamorphosis that leaves them irrevocably changed and it can be quite beautiful to see it happen.
I don't like them.
I think at some point in the past sex scenes were welcomed but nowadays when I want to watch pornographic imagery, there are websites for that.
What annoys me the most is when the movie unexpectedly cuts to a woman moaning or yelling. Due to socio-economic factors, I still live with my parents and that's fricking awkward. They're directly in the other room. Hate that
I think that question is so poisoned by coomers that it is irrelevant
None of you coomers seem to be okay with movies where the lead actress doesn't show her breasts so what answer would suffice?
Lately I've been skipping them because writers don't know how to use them and also 90% of the time they're homosexual scenes and no I don't want to watch that, it makes me sick.
are films necessary? is art necessary? are dialog scenes necessary? are explosions necessary? are action scenes necessary? was your post necessary? is Cinemaphile necessary?
are films necessary? is art necessary? are dialog scenes necessary? are explosions necessary? are action scenes necessary? was your post necessary? is Cinemaphile necessary?
Any time I see a sex or nudity scene in a movie I involuntarily picture the director and producers as jabba the hutt licking the woman with their giant slimy tongues.
Actually more of an issue for 'serious' movies, because the goofy b-movies that just overtly have strippers or porn stars in them to do those scenes obviously weren't taking themselves seriously. But any time it's like a 'real' actress and directors you know it was slimeball shit and backdoor blowjobs.
I think.. I think people are getting bored of sex
Everyone is coomed out of their minds with instant access to insane amounts of porn, way too much for one lifetime and ever growing
It's not exciting to see for a porn addict and that's just everyone now
Yes, it's necessary for the mental and spiritual corruption of the population, using pornography to distract and weaken an enemy is a well known psyop.
>dude israelites are behind a secret plot to cut the foreskins off themselves and others so they don't feel any pleasure from sex >also dude israelites are total hedonists who can't get enough crazy wild sex and love having sex with hollywood starlets and children and anyone they can get their hands on and broadcasting sex everywhere and encouraging everyone to have constant sex
the mental illness spiral just keeps going and going
i look away when there's heavy making out or a sex scene or what have you
I've been in a relationship and i've had sex it just feels weird watching it in a film/show compared to just porn
it makes me start thinking about the behind the scenes and how they'd film/coordinate it, if the actors/actresses are married in real life and how that would affect the spouse, etc
so it's probably just autism
I don't like it
How the frick do actors and actresses even fake having sex? The dude is obviously going to have an erection. Does the woman just wear nipple pasties(unless they can show nipple) and they just have pants or underwear on or whatever?
No. Stop being moronic and gaslighting to make it seem like its just readily available knowledge. No one really knows how "acting" out the sex scenes goes.
I'm not that anon, but it's just done like anything else. You talk about the scene with the director, and your scene partner, and kinda plan it out, and then you do it.
Film sets are not romantic places, and acting in a movie is not at all like being in reality. There's a big camera with people operating it, and people holding giant white screens to bounce light, and a big sweaty man holding a boom mic, and makeup people coming in and out to do touch ups. And you just about always film them on your very first day so you're nervous and don't really know anyone yet.
Is sex necessary in life?
If they mean something to the story, then yes.
Yes, this degenerate site is proof of it
Absolutely. Lack of sex literally turns humans into insane NPCs.
I'll get back to you on that
My problems are more due to lack of work ethic than lack of sex, so who knows
Wife has been a fricking prude for the last four years and I unironically feel like my mental health has plumetted. And that's with fricking at least a few times a year. I can't imagine how guys who don't frick their wives for years do it. Women are fricking evil.
I'm at 16 months and running
Unironically thinking of converting my cabin in the woods into a death trap for hitchhikers
Just frick her.
>but she'd whine
Who cares. Just frick her.
And I thought I had it bad at just once a week.
Start walking around the house in the nude and slapping her ass with your wiener whenever you pass her, your problems will be gone in no time.
it's not gonna get any better unless something happened 4 years ago. I had to leave one of the nicest most awesome woman I knew because her sex drive was just not there. it sucks but there's nothing worse than having sexual frustration, for either side. it manifests in tons of normal interactions too.
My body count is over 20. But last year I met someone I genuinely cared for. The intimacy level was 11/10. Never experienced that before. We broke up. She did the typical go psycho after 6 months and become a completely different person thing but I digress. Now I've been craving that level of intimacy again and its been rough. So sex in general is not necessary. But once you've had the kind of sex where you are just frickin connected, that's different. That's something you crave once you've had it.
That's true, but that's not the relationships the vast majority of people are having, so what you're saying isn't really relevant.
Trauma bonded by someone who changed suddenly and put you in the devaluation stage...many such cases. Im guessing the whole thing happened very fast? You basically fricked your way to a succubus.
redpill me on trauma bonding
for most people yes.
for everyone no
most people require love and affection or they become suicidal
i am a 37 year old virgin and i don't really give a frick if i never get laid
no
yes
any more questions?
Yes
No
Im going insane.
i haven't had sex in almost seven years. sometimes i feel like i'm a lot more emotionless than i was years ago but i don't know if that's from lack of sex or poor sleep or just being a miserable frick
Is the same question every day necessary on Cinemaphile?
No. Nudity is fine, sex scenes are not.
>Turbo autists and insecure men can't understand why watching a woman get fake fricked in a movie is sexy or appealing
I mean just step out of the closet, or don't watch those movies or shows if you don't like it. Some very, very important and brilliant films have sex scenes- (like "The name of the Rose", which has one of the hottest sex scenes in a movie ever and is super relevant to the main characters development).
other way around
I heard you always have to put a sex scene, alcohol use and tobacco use in an adult film so people will find it relatable
99% of the time they are completely shoehorned in and irrelevant to the plot. When they are relevant to character development I don't mind.
They’re also bullshit and I don’t know who they’re for.
Got to love the sex scenes where she’s wearing the bra.
Sometimes, but only if the sex scenes:
1. Add to the characterization of those involved.
And/or
2. Moves the plot forward in a way that makes sense.
Say what you will about the sequel to Sin City, it does provide a good example of when a film has sex scenes that are essential the plot and can't reasonably be cut without detracting from the overall film.
no, only the halle berry one was necessary
Is violence necessary ?
Unfortunately it’s the only way to stop a woman from rapping.
True, rappers regularly get shot in gang violence.
Simulated sex in movies is cringe as frick and destroys suspension of disbelief.
Occasionally but there are hundreds times more gratuitous ones than necessary ones.
There is never a plot driven reason for nudity, it is strictly to sell seats based on how much people want to see an actress naked, and for hot actresses it's a way to boost their careers (and it's a way for the producers who everybody knows are fricking them to show off what they own). You can have sex scenes without nudity if they're required for the plot.
Not even a purity gay, this is just true.
See
The sex and nudity in pic related IS essential to the plot for one of the main short stories. Eva Green's story wouldn't work at all without the on-screen sex being shown. It's an actual plot point.
Haven't seen cash grab 2, but I assure you that any nudity during sex scenes was unnecessary to the plot.
Watch it and you'll understand. Eva Green's whole character uses sex as a means of advancing her own devious plots. It's actually probably the best story out of the three or four.
And eva green manipulating the characters in the movie requires the audience jerking off?
The actual sex scenes aren't that explicit because they're so stylized but removing those scenes would make her story confusing
I guarantee that movie with the cucked rich guy and his dom woman (idk wtf it's called, you know the one) has more characterization and plot progression in the sex scenes in those webms people post than anything in a sin city movie and there's no nudity, at least not in those webms (I'm not trying to praise the movie, there might be nudity at other times, just using those shots as an example).
True. Or sometimes the producer is the actress and they know people will only watch the movie if they know they will see their breasts (like Kate Mara in My Days or Mercy, Margot Robbie in Dreamland, Alison Brie in Anyone But You, etc...)
That falls under the actress trying to boost their career.
>plot driven reason
>required for the plot
Plot isn't the only significant aspect of a film. Peter Greenaway would argue that it's the least important aspect of a film, and that film leaning on literature and storytelling has been the downfall and stagnation of what should have been a primarily visual medium.
Painters and sculptors have used the human form in it's purest state as a subject of visual exploration for thousands of years, there's no reason why directors shouldn't do the same. Nudity can convey many things: intimacy, vulnerability, purity, egolessness (Dr. Manhattan) etc. and there's no reason directors should be restricted from using every color on their palette.
I don't see nudity as something a director should have to apologize for or only incorporate it if utterly necessary anymore than I see any other visual element that way. Nobody would say that Fellini should only incorporate elaborate costumes or baroque sets and other visual elements when they are strictly necessary to the plot. Or that because the story of Wild Strawberries could have been told without its opening dream sequence, that Bergman should not have included it. Likewise, allow directors to use nudity with the same freedom that painters have.
I will agree that a lot of hack directors use nudity purely for titillation and to have a cheap sense of making something "mature" or "edgy", I don't really watch any tv but from what I hear HBO shows do this a lot, but regardless that shouldn't have any implications on the nudity in films by Greenaway, Roeg, Cronenberg, etc.
>Peter Greenaway
Phony and irrelevant hack who has fallen to total obscurity where he belongs.
If I see you bashing the greatest living film director on here again I'll kill you and I'll eat you.
Greenaway
Complete piece of shit and pervert who can't either write or handle storytelling and tries to downplay the importance of plot because of it.
Sooner that pseudo intellectual fraud kicks the bucket, the better.
I'll concede that it CAN be used in theory like you're saying, though the vast, VAST majority is the HBO style edgy stuff that serves no purpose. The majority is so large that I'm fine with painting it with a single brush and addressing exceptions on an individual basis.
>though the vast, VAST majority is the HBO style edgy stuff that serves no purpose. The majority is so large that I'm fine with painting it with a single brush
This is just Sturgeon's Law though. Granted, me mostly watching stuff that I know I'll be interested in and not having watched a new tv show since the Twin Peaks revivial probably skews me more towards seeing nudity and sex scenes with more merit than those on HBO. To me its like trashing fight scenes in general just because most directors suck at doing them well in a way that's meaningful. Sure that's true, but we shouldn't frame our discussions about these things around forgettable Hollywood slop, we should frame discussions around the very best of them and how they can be used properly.
Ironically he can write and his movies have some of the most distinct and interesting dialogue out there. I think his "kill all screenwriters" comments have to be taken as being somewhat tongue-in-cheek when they're said by the man who wrote the scripts to The Draughtsman's Contract and The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover.
Again, I'm fine with bashing mindless fight and action scenes, as well as sex scenes, because I think the directors should be actively trying to justify their inclusion.
It's not even necessarily that I'm trying to suggest that the only thing that matters is the plot, my issue is that 99% of the time nude scenes are about the irl actress and not the movie or even her character.
Maybe I've misinterpreted your previous comments; I'm so used to seeing people argue that *all* sex and nudity scenes are pointless and only exist for titillation that I was reading what you were saying about painting with a broad brush that way. Sounds like we basically agree that sex scenes and violent scenes can be done with artistic integrity and can be an integral and important part of a movie made by a director who knows what he's doing, even if the majority of movies are slop and the majority of sex and fight scenes are just cheap titillation.
>my issue is that 99% of the time nude scenes are about the irl actress and not the movie or even her character.
I think part of it is that the narrative keeps getting built up about the "bravery" and "daring" quality about these types of scenes even before they're released. I remember articles were coming out about Emma Stone's nudity in Poor Things for a while before the film released and quotes were circulating about Yorgos saying that Emma was fearless and had to have no qualms about the nudity, and inevitably it becomes a narrative that kind of overtakes the movie itself.
Even though there's a steady stream of semi-mainstream films with high profile actresses that get a lot of attention for their explicit sexual content going back to Last Tango in Paris, they're still infrequent enough and there's still so much discourse especially lately about nudity in films and zoomers not wanting it that it becomes the narrative. Nudity becomes like facial prosthetics or body transformations done for a role; it becomes so much of the narrative of the movie that it ends up being a distraction.
It's a shame Showgirls had to be the film to build a narrative about creating a precedent for legitimizing the idea of studios putting out a big NC-17 movie with artistic legitimacy, because one imagines that if something like Poor Things or Last Tango in Paris had taken that mantle and been successful we could have a (cont.)
(cont.) renaissance of legitimately artistically serious and great movies dealing with sexuality very explicitly in the mainstream, which would be a good counterpoint in threads like these to the overwhelming amount of HBOslop we get today.
Yorgos is a pimp and closet pedophile, Emma Stone a disgusting prostitute.
This times a million. The obsession with plot in film is a disaster. It has people watching movies and TV at 2x speed or watching 40 minute reaction video versions of movies, because they think the purpose of watching a movie is to find out what happens in it. "OMG, Captain America just picked up the hammer, I cheer this plot point."
Film is an experience. When Tobe Hooper was making Texas Chainsaw Massacre, he used tricks when he wanted the audience to jump, like cutting out frames so things happen faster than they're expected, and having the scare come from a part of the screen that the audience isn't looking at, so the audience has their attention on screen left, and then with no warning an attack comes from screen right moving faster than your mind expects it to.
Even titillation is valid. It's incredibly unhealthy that all these people are running around saying that it's acceptable, positive, and good to make pornography, but that sex and nudity in films is dangerous, unnecessary, abusive exploitation. You get less pushback going on Craigslist to hire a teenager for $500 to video the inside of her butthole in 4k and film a random 40 year old man fricking her mouth until she pukes, than you would filming a well-compensated actress naked in a shower, on a union set, for a 25 second scene in an action movie. We raise a generation of kids who are exposed to endless depictions of underpaid women being used and abused by men they don't know or like for profit, but congratulate ourselves we spare people from seeing depictions of people who love/like each other being naked and having sex for fun and pleasure.
Frick off degenerate and kys.
>Painters and sculptors have used the human form in it's purest state as a subject of visual exploration for thousands of years, there's no reason why directors shouldn't do the same. Nudity can convey many things: intimacy, vulnerability, purity, egolessness
Perhaps not surprisingly, anime beats western film here.
What about in Old School? If Will Farrel hadn't been naked and streaking to the quad, his wife wouldn't have kicked him out and he wouldn't have joined the frat. It was totally plot driven nudity and proves your post wrong.
Bottle up all these actresses pussy juice and blend it together in a babybottle and hand it to me to feed on in my crib while I wear a diaper and make big stinkys
A baby’s gotta do what a baby’s gotta do.
>Are sex scenes necessary in film?
only when i decide to watch something with my parents
They boring crap. I'd much rather they just put the women in sexy costumes. But in clown world that is somehow more controversial than showing simulated sex.
No but I like it when my dick gets hard. Ergo, I wish for movies to have sex scenes and nudity featuring attractive people.
yea
I don’t remember. Was the anal scene simulated or actual penetration? Not sure how common Un-simulate sex scenes are in French cinema.
>Are sex scenes necessary in film?
No, I have enough sex scenes in my real life.
If I get a bonner they are.
How does it feel to have sex, lads?
how the frick would i know?
It feels good, but unless it's someone you love, afterwards you just think to yourself: "What the frick am I doing?".
Salty bags of milky coins
>sex
huh?
Hoenstly, most of the time Im so focused on making it better for her and not just finishing bascially immediately that its more of a chore than fun. It used to be fun
The most fufilling part of sex is the intimacy which is supposed to come from the experience, the act itself is enjoyable but like ive said its all about her
Fricking b***h
If you're cut and jerk off- sex literally feels like nothing. If you're cut and don't use your hand while jerking off.. slightly better- at least you can feel something. If you didn't get your foreskin ripped off by israelitei- I mean "doctors" then you feel a lot more, and its actually a decent experience with a woman. Ultimately- a 100% honest no cap just buy a fleshlight. Sex is overrated. Its fun, foreplay is nice, and being close to a woman is nice, but I've never had great sex even when I was younger. So you just do you and maybe meet someone or get an escort someday and try it out if you feel like it.
Accurate post.
I always saw it as a three stage event. Best is with a woman who you like each other and have great chemistry+ body language. Foreplay alone builds up such tension that is just awesome to release once you get there
Second level is just having a quality wank. It can be pretty decent as you are 100% in control but lacks the crucial elements of smell/sound/warmth etc.
Worst part is fricking some girl you are really not into or she into you. opposite to the first stage. Absolutely cringe and uncomfortable experience for both of you. Avoid at all costs. This is what sex starved morons dont get how all of that dance and routine dating a girl is important for acting as a litmus shit test that goes both ways
Such a bizarre phenomenon
grim
Yeah, it should be done with permission, but parents should really not try and ignore medical advice and dodge their responsibilities.
Utter nonsense and drivel. Find another excuse for why you're a pathetic virgin.
Kind of like pooping but more painful.
I used to be upset about sex scenes in movies until I started having sex myself, once you start getting it regularly you understand just how essential and basic it is to the human experience.
I honestly think virgins on this board should drop everything non-essential in their lives and focus on getting their dicks wet.
>bait post
It's literally the opposite of this, you're just trying to piss off virgins.
Once you have done it a few times, it's like doing the dishes, a chore tbh.
Women are awful, anon.
Great if it's with someone you genuinely enjoy.
Just ok otherwise.
honestly?
its overrated. if It wasnt required to make a child I could live without it
like you're taking a really, really long shit and then it gets all warm inside
>condom sex with someone you don’t love
Less good than beating off.
>unprotected with someone you do love
Peak existence.
i want somebody to love so bad
Take a shower
Dress ok
Go outside
Talk to people
Repeat until you find someone you're willing to sacrifice a portion of your life to in exchange for that person doing the same
>cold approaching
>current year + 9
shiggy diggy doo
If they piss off the feminists who have made women so entirely toxic, yes, they are absolutely necessary
It's the opposite of this, anon.
It's alright. Nothing to freak out about, it's not THAT good. People are more addicted to the social validation than the actual sex/cumming part.
>movie randomly shows a sunset or a beautiful landscape when its not relevant to the plot
UGH! I HATE BEAUTY! I HATE BEING MADE TO FEEL THINGS! MOVIES SHOULD JUST BE CLOSEUPS OF PEOPLE TALKING WITH OCCASIONAL EXPLOSIONS!
>JUST BE CLOSEUPS OF PEOPLE TALKING
What are you, a woman? There should just be shooting and explosions. You want to waste time and bullshit character stuff?
Sex is a critical component of a healthy adult romantic relationship.
I don't have sex with my girlfriend. Does that mean our relationship isn't "healthy"?
She’s our girlfriend.
So she's a beard?
that's correct
Sources for these scenes please and thank you
Kate Mara- My Days of Mercy
Emma Stone- Poor Things
Sydney Sweeney- The Voyeurs
Halle Berry- Monster's Ball
>what is the point of this shot? Just to be "pretty" or make me feel things? Ugh it adds nothing to the plot! In fact I think I'll just go read the script in another room, these visuals aren't necessary, neither is the music
I skip over all sex and kissing scenes
>ugh what do the colors and the beautiful woman really ADD to the painting? You could convey the same concept with stick figures drawn in your own shit!
Over 90% of movie or TV sex scenes are irrelevant to plot. Sometimes a one or two sex scenes might be justified but pervs or hacks film like half dozen or more of them.
Sort of, female lewdness and female nudity is necessary, sex are good but not really necessary
Sex is absolutely necessary. I don't think you appreciate just how utterly broken sexless people are. Not a single one of those people has an opinion on any subject that can ever be trusted.
Cope harder. Sex is disgusting and primitive. You find it necessary because you can't control your animalistic side.
Oh wait, you mean IN FILM. Disregard, I thought you were talking about real life. Yeah I would say, in film, most sex scenes can be tuned down a bit, unless it's specifically a film meant to get couples in the mood. Those are nice.
Ironically it's the only good scene in the movie, because it's FUNNY. The two guys just start complaining because they're DPing here and they can feel each others' dicks so they pull out and get into a big argument. It's the only thing in the movie that isn't bland, drab, dull grey meaningless nonsense.
Since when was this board populated by overly sensitive weak minded 40 year old women.
Absolutely. The human experience revolves around sex, sex is the most intimate and vunerable part of our lives and it should be used to convey strong emotional bonds or lack thereof. A rape scene is powerful because it's a brutal showcase of one's agency being stolen, a passionate consenting sex scene is powerful because it shows how emotionally connected two characters are. Then you can also tell the audience a lot about a character in how they treat sex on screen, The Wolf Of Wall Street and The Sopranos are good examples.
>should be used to convey strong emotional bonds
Should be but isn't
>A rape scene is powerful because it's a brutal showcase of one's agency being stolen
Rape scenes are fricking cheap and a dime a dozen. It's literally the most common lazy way for a hack filmmaker to say BAD GUY BAD
>The Wolf Of Wall Street
I can't take anything "starring" that babyfaced toddler seriously.
>The Sopranos
This tvslop? Really?
you have to be so far up your own ass to not like sopranos
I don't watch show glorifying dumb gangster trash.
No, they're padding for women because they're genuinely too stupid to understand plot and characters
9 out of 10 film i watch i do it for the hot actresses. It's extremely important
Sex scenes only exist so the woman has something to do. Otherwise there wouldnt be so many.
Sex scenes are jangling keys in front of an audience to keep them entertained.
If you need them you're a shit writer.
Yes. So are detailed toilet shitting scenes when the actors make funny noises and faces.
normalgays always say sex is absolutely essential to life and happiness, but I am an unironic wizard and I haven't offed myself yet.
They're just weak. It's the same people who go
>AAAAAAAAAA, I haven't had sex in 3 months, I'm going INSAAAAAAANE
that are the people who go
>Omg I'm """locked down""" for 2 weeks! I'm going to kill myself! this is ruining my life!
I can't think of any good reason for it, it should never happen.
>decide to check out the movie Poor Things cause of the Oscar noms
>it's a fetish flick about a mental moron fricking her way through steam punk Europe
???????????
Yes they are necessary for psyopping young men into thinking that they should chase pussy 24/7 instead of finding happiness
Lust is a sin
very rarely. but sometimes a sex scene is a moment of transformation between characters, a cathartic metamorphosis that leaves them irrevocably changed and it can be quite beautiful to see it happen.
where are the dicks?
Yes
I don't like them.
I think at some point in the past sex scenes were welcomed but nowadays when I want to watch pornographic imagery, there are websites for that.
What annoys me the most is when the movie unexpectedly cuts to a woman moaning or yelling. Due to socio-economic factors, I still live with my parents and that's fricking awkward. They're directly in the other room. Hate that
Vince don't you have a lawsuit to deal with?
Who's getting the best tail?
I identify as whatever race and species is fricking
What are some non-porn hollywood movies that depict unsimulated deepthroat?
I think that question is so poisoned by coomers that it is irrelevant
None of you coomers seem to be okay with movies where the lead actress doesn't show her breasts so what answer would suffice?
sex is necessary, sensuality is optional, love is to be avoided
get lost incel
what a homosexual
Yep. Great artists and work are overwhelmingly dependent on nudity as an expression of physical beauty, arousal and emotion
Why are indian virgins obsessed with african penis?
you tell me
sbgfita
they make me feel uncomfortable. i would rather they be implied
Kate Mara and Ellen Page were actually fricking in their sex scenes
nice
Lately I've been skipping them because writers don't know how to use them and also 90% of the time they're homosexual scenes and no I don't want to watch that, it makes me sick.
>90% of the time they're homosexual scenes
what movies are you watching that you are seeing gay scenes all the time?
stop watching gay softcore porn
I've been watching TV shows
I just hate women, and see sex scenes and nudity as a way they assert power over weak men (most of them).
So I don't loik 'em.
Simple as.
Only people who have never had sex have a problem with sex scenes in films. Prove me wrong.
Stop bumping this thread moron.
are films necessary? is art necessary? are dialog scenes necessary? are explosions necessary? are action scenes necessary? was your post necessary? is Cinemaphile necessary?
OP's mom is necessary for my dick
Any time I see a sex or nudity scene in a movie I involuntarily picture the director and producers as jabba the hutt licking the woman with their giant slimy tongues.
Actually more of an issue for 'serious' movies, because the goofy b-movies that just overtly have strippers or porn stars in them to do those scenes obviously weren't taking themselves seriously. But any time it's like a 'real' actress and directors you know it was slimeball shit and backdoor blowjobs.
>the director and producers as jabba the hutt licking the woman with their giant slimy tongues.
no one cares about your sick fantasies anon
No. They count against a movie. And can turn something for the whole family to nothing but porn.
Zoomer threads are so neat.
What does it matter? Sex scenes are dead, there hasn't been a hot one in years
I think.. I think people are getting bored of sex
Everyone is coomed out of their minds with instant access to insane amounts of porn, way too much for one lifetime and ever growing
It's not exciting to see for a porn addict and that's just everyone now
Yes because I am entitled to watch only the most sexy woman with the most aesthetic bodies in the world.
No, almost never. In fact, they are often off-putting to the point where I would avoid watching the movie again.
That's on you though
Yes, it's necessary for the mental and spiritual corruption of the population, using pornography to distract and weaken an enemy is a well known psyop.
>dude israelites are behind a secret plot to cut the foreskins off themselves and others so they don't feel any pleasure from sex
>also dude israelites are total hedonists who can't get enough crazy wild sex and love having sex with hollywood starlets and children and anyone they can get their hands on and broadcasting sex everywhere and encouraging everyone to have constant sex
the mental illness spiral just keeps going and going
i look away when there's heavy making out or a sex scene or what have you
I've been in a relationship and i've had sex it just feels weird watching it in a film/show compared to just porn
it makes me start thinking about the behind the scenes and how they'd film/coordinate it, if the actors/actresses are married in real life and how that would affect the spouse, etc
so it's probably just autism
I don't like it
How the frick do actors and actresses even fake having sex? The dude is obviously going to have an erection. Does the woman just wear nipple pasties(unless they can show nipple) and they just have pants or underwear on or whatever?
Are you like 8?
No. Stop being moronic and gaslighting to make it seem like its just readily available knowledge. No one really knows how "acting" out the sex scenes goes.
I'm not that anon, but it's just done like anything else. You talk about the scene with the director, and your scene partner, and kinda plan it out, and then you do it.
Film sets are not romantic places, and acting in a movie is not at all like being in reality. There's a big camera with people operating it, and people holding giant white screens to bounce light, and a big sweaty man holding a boom mic, and makeup people coming in and out to do touch ups. And you just about always film them on your very first day so you're nervous and don't really know anyone yet.
Are miralgaygits really necessary on Cinemaphile?
No, they're just an excuse for the israeli director/producers to force a famous person to humiliate themselves in front of them.