Are there any other big DC love triangles? I feel like Marvel has many with the Spider-man ones getting posted a lot and the X-Men 1997 show bringing back Mags/Rogue/Gambit and Maddie/Scott/Jean, and the recent Hickman run showcasing Wolverine/Jean/Cyclops and Jean/Scott/Emma, but I feel like DC doesn't have many?
Because it's a shit plot and Marvel is just full of shit
All capeshit are soap operas, so it fits.
Trinity
Was this ever really a love triangle where Babs and Starfire were competing for Dick at the same time? Isn't it different eras for each pairing, and more like a shipper war between Titans fandom and Batman fandom?
I'd say it was one, but it is tough because both relationships are controlled by different editorial departments. Which you don't tend to see with the popular Marvel ones. They are all under the same departments.
Dick broke it off with Starfire before getting back with Barbara in the current Nightwing run and end of the Teen Titans Academy series. Kory was not happy. I think Barbara and Starfire recently had an awkward meeting.
>Kory was not happy.
Probably because he fricked then said that was it for them right after.
I think the YJ version might be.
That's not a triangle, Dick fricked Rocket too
This was an unintentional love triangle created by editorial failures. The Batman book editor didn't talk with the Titans book editor. Just like when Winick had Dick sleep with Starfire in Outsiders. Or when Grayson had Dick sleep with Helena in Nightwing + Huntress. Or when Rucka had Dick spending NYE with Huntress in NML.
Notice how all of that stopped once they gave Nightwing and the Titans the same writer. They should do it this way from now on.
>Just like when Winick had Dick sleep with Starfire in Outsiders.
That wasn't an editorial failure. Devin broke Dickbabs up in late 2003 on her own and took too long on her tearing Dick down process. If it was just an one or two arcs (ie 6mths to 1 year) then Winick wouldn't have had the time to bring Kory into the book and have them frick (as Kory was brought in in late 2004), but no, it was fricking two and half years. That's all on Devin.
The only thing editorial should be blamed for is allowing Devin to drag out Dick's misery for like 3 years total. Maybe for also putting NYO in the middle of her arc, but with how hastily she "fixed" everything in the last 2 issues of her run, she probably had at least a few more months of Dick's misery in her.
Don't forget losing multiple issues to War Games.
The back half of Devin's run was only saved because the editors made her kill her Dickie Brasco arc for Deathstroke and Infinite Crisis. Rose was the only bright spot in the book post War Games.
I was saying YJ Babs may be a cuckquean.
Ideally, it should be Babs and Kara instead. The latter not having been on the Titans until the 2000s was a crime.
Weren't Kon, Cassie and Tim (and Rose) that for a while? Or Donna, Wally and Roy in Rebirth. Dick, Kory and Raven, in a way.
I don't think Conner, Cassie and Tim had a true love triangle. Both were devastated when Conner died (he got better) and Tim also lost his girlfriend so them hooking up was more about coping with the pain of losing their loved ones instead of the dramatic cuckoldry shit that is prevalent in most love triangles.
Talia/Catwoman/Batman, sort of. They've never actively competed but in a meta sense they're the biggest choices so they're at odds, and sometimes that tension is played with.
Roy/Donna Troy/Kyle Rayner was sort of a thing
Pic related was brief but my favorite
It's not a Marvel thing, it's an X-Men thing, the X-Men thing, probably to do with the fact they often live together, it's their life. Where as JL and Avengers is just a job.
To be fair, there have been Avengers love triangles, they just usually involve the writer trying to break up an existing couple, so none of them are popular.
Crystal, that bawd
Dick, Barbara and Lori in Batman Family
Yeah, there's the 70s Batman Family triangles.
Lori-Dick-Babs and Dick-Babs-Jason
i hate love triangles
Do you love hate triangles?
marvel started in more of a soap opera place so they have more love triangles, even ff started with the setup of a reed, sue, ben love triangle that was quickly dropped. dc started in a more kid focused episodic place, so by the time more soap opera heavy storytelling took over superhero comics dc's characters had main love interests that fans wouldn't accept replacements for.
DC romances aren't all that competition driven. It's mostly characters having shit tastes or having the relationship conflict with their goals. Batman sort of has a triangle but it's his fault because he's stuck between a fickle kleptomaniac and a villainess who wants him to frick the evil out of her
batman is usually the fickle one who won't commit.
Does Beast Boy/Terra/Deathstorke count as a love triangle?
That would imply Beast Boy ever had a chance. She was 100% using him and didn't give a frick about him. All she wanted was Slade.
Babs a cuckquean.
canon
It's a a pattern
Okay, since no one wants to talk about the most obvious answer, it'll have to be me
Surprised it took so long for it to get mentioned.
Reject Love Triangles
Embrace Ethical Non-Monogamy
Because DC tends to have pairings that are more set in stone or not at all, almost no middle ground. Everyone knows Superman gets with Lois and no one else remotely comes close. It's like trying to find an alternative to Juliet for Romeo. Batman jumps from one woman to the next. The Flashes really only have one love interest who's more than a fling. Hal is too much of a tard he can't consistently keep his one gal, and people care more about shipping Wondy with either Batman or Superman to care about Steve Trevor.
Meanwhile in Marvel, even though MJ is Peter's most iconic love interest, Gwen and cat give her a run for her money in notoriety, Scott and Jean was tainted ever since the Maddie shit and Wolvie always being there made it worse and Emma was Scott's primary love interest for almost 2 decades, so a lot of people grew up with them together. It's really only Sue and Reed who've stood the test of time and even they got Namor hanging over them.
DC tends to have more charactergayging I've noticed. "who's the best Robin, "who's the best Lantern", "muh version of Superman! No muh version of Superman", etc.
This has never really been a love triangle.
Dick and Kory broke up years before Dick and Babs got together. There's no tension.
The triangle for Babs was with Helena.
This means what, exactly? This was an unnecessary retcon in a mediocre story published 12 years after Dick and Kory broke up.
Batman, Talia, and Catwoman, sorta, in the 70s. It was pretty subdued.
Superman, Lois, and Lana was iconic up till the modern age.
The 70s was between Talia and Silver St. Cloud, but it wasn't really a triangle. Catwoman wasn't a serious love interest until the mid 80s.
I was specifically thinking of the Lazarus Affair arc. I thought that was the mid 70s, but looks like it was early 80s.
I really like how Tom Taylor has been handling Dick & Barbara's relationship. They've introduced elements of past relationships like Bea Bennet and Starfire and it seems pretty clear that they're stable and very understanding. It's very refreshing to read in a comic; so many comic relationships are unstable or even downright malicious.
Boring
I think he went a bit too tame with it. Dick, Babs,and Starfire are all living in the same building now so you'd expect them to have a little more interaction
>Catwoman/Batman/Talia
Obviously Catwoman is much better known as Batman's one true love. At this point, poor Talia is much more famous as Batman's evil b***h babymama ex.
There was a time when Batman was juggling Selina Kyle, Vicki Vale, Talia, Julia Pennyworth, and Natalia Knight. More or less all at once. Jason teased him for it.
There are other times when Bruce/Batman was dating one woman as a civilian while flirting with another as a vigilante, but I think five at once is his record.
>Harley/Joker/Batman
>Joker/Batman/[fill in the blank]
>as you mentioned: Felicia/Peter/MJ, Peter/MJ/Harry, clickbait Peter/MJ/Paul, MJ/Peter/OC
>AFAIK Helena/Dick/Babs was never acknowledged as a love triangle or two-timing
>the Smallville shows did some love triangles with Clark, Lex, etc
>I heard Arrowverse did Dinah/Ollie/OC, but I never watched
>Jade/Kyle/Donna? lol
>Ariana/Tim/Steph
>nobody likes Jason/Babs/Dick except for the occasional Dickkory shipper and actual shotacons
Is Joker/Harley/Ivy the triangle now more than Batman?
>nobody likes Jason/Babs/Dick except for the occasional Dickkory shipper and actual shotacons
What do you mean? Jason/Babs/Dick is Babs' big triangle. Well, either Jason or Ted. But she actually dated Jason. Ted was just some cybersex retconned in posthumously.
> she actually dated Jason
WTF, This never happened.
Bard, not Todd. You know, Barbara's primary love interest till she started dating Dick? They were even engaged at one point?
Boring
It’s better when Babs is Dick’s wienersleeve when Dick first arrives at the manor
What usually happens in DC is that characters just move on from one romantic interest to another. There isn't usually tension with two characters competing for the same romance, and if there is it tends to be brief.
The most fierce romantic competition in DC history is probably Lois and Lana back in the Silver Age though.
when you go through New Teen Titans there's a lot of love triangles but it's mostly z-listers, absurd or involving NPCs who aren't on the team.
the juiciest it got was Raven crashing Starfire and Nightwing's wedding.
I don't remember many triangles in NTT.
Changeling, Terra, and Deathstroke
Raven invading Nightwing's dreams trying to steal him from Starfire
Kid Flash being conflicted between Magenta and Raven
Starfire, Karras, and Nightwing
Nightwing and Starfire and Mirage (because rape by misrepresentation wasn't taken seriously)
Cyborg, Sarah Simms, and her douchey abusive ex.
Batman/Catwoman/Talia
The first Marvel triangle was Namor, Bett Dean and Human Torch or Namor, Bett Dean and Namora.
The superior Dick batship