Are these the most blatantly evil bad guys in film? Even orcs had semi redeeming qualities in comparison.
Are these the most blatantly evil bad guys in film? Even orcs had semi redeeming qualities in comparison.
Are these the most blatantly evil bad guys in film? Even orcs had semi redeeming qualities in comparison.
Stellan Skarsgard is a terrible actor.
I wouldn’t say he’s a bad actor. I mean what is he supposed to do in this movie? Denis barely uses him. I bet if you took both parts and made a compilation of only scenes with Baron it would amount to ten minutes tops. He’s severely underused. Pretty much everyone but the Fremen and Austin Butler as a last minute villain. And the arena scene is better in the book.
>And the arena scene is better in the book.
I mean the whole book is infinitely better. I can think of many things the movies did well, nothing better than the book however.
You can't actually show the shit that he does in the books without an NC-17 rating.
They could show a lot more if it was R, which is how it was originally shot, before the studio awkwardly edited it down to PG in order to market it to women and children.
Denis direction in these Dune movies is awful. It's like he just didn't give a flying frick about anything and all the performances are completely flat.
I mean he's literally gone on record as stating he doesn't care about plot, dialogue, performances, sound, or anything but pretty pictures. His ideal movie like that one Asian move that is just a collection of images.
He does great visuals, but his movies are only really watchable if there are really solid actors like gyllenhall, del toro/blunt, or goose/harrison to save them. Sometimes they very obviously aren't enough.
I'm tired of people defending Sneeder or Villeneuve as good visual directors.
They are not. Static shots of Artstation tier concept arts is not good cinematography, everything in this movie is extremely flat, from character performances to the cinematography.
Characters act on a backdrop of a theatrically flat background they don't interact with, aligned across the screen or moving across it in straight lines.
This is not good visuals, it's baby's first composition.
IF this was bringing it towards irl Theater acting and sets it might be forgiveable, but that's not the aim at all. Zimmer phoning it in for decades at least has gone hard and atypical with the ambient noise and electronic material for the soundtrack (more remarkable in light of how cliche manipulative movie music the Arrival one was).
this is a blockbuster movie for genpop. the visuals were excellent and occasionally outstanding
Somehow none of the actors gets properly used.
There are no characters in this movie.
>There are no characters in this movie.
this is a 100% correct. they are all stereotypes. stilgar has no character trait except believer
#l
Worst about it is that they cut a lot - there should be a place at least for Stilgars arch or for Chani-Jessica relation which are both thematically relevant to the main story.
I get that there are screen limits, I wouldn't mind villains being just cliche Hollywood psychos, but why not give 2-3 scenes to the main followers of the Paul to illustrate the realpolitik, fanaticism, faith, love etc. Movie surely was long enough to permit that... Right?
Especially since it doesn't explore what Paul fears about becoming a Messiah exactly, it just reuses same gaping baasedyaque dying of starvation vision-scene 3 time
Dune in the Harkonnens is an occasion to make GMO frickdoll technocracy that makes Blade Runner look tame. It doesn't have to be shown anymore than Hitchwiener showed full frontal penetration for sex scenes. Villanerd's just not up to the task.
>Baron has minimal screentime
FASCISTS :clap: MUST :clap: BE :clap: DEPLATFORMED
simple as that
They deserved to win. "Le desert power" was such a weak copout.
FYI you'd be a slave under their rule
Nah, they'd likely kill me immediately or in one of their arena games for fun. They still deserved to win.
I too believe israelites are the chosen people & should get total victory over the goyim
>Harkonnen
>Jew
moron alert
You do realise the Fremen are Space Hamas right? The language they speak is clearly a standin for Arabic
you lost to 4 foot tall rice farmers
I mean in the movies sure cause no character has nuance in DUNC, quite unlike the books.
What are his redeeming qualities and nuances in the book?
He ecomes a girl then becomes a huge bawd
The Harkonnen were violently cunning vs the Atreides being cunningly violent. There were no good guys in the Dune universe.
Mapes is pretty cool.
Someone say mapes?
>not israeli
Eh no
They are blatantly evil on the books as well, but it's properly fleshed out, the baron for example is an hedonist animal, that gives himself to gluttony and sex, this is reflected in his tactical decisions, that are flawed due to his self indulgence attitudes.
Also better as the decadence is explained and contextualized, it’s a demonstration of power they use to maintain control.
>Fat = le evil
I'm tired of this meme bros
He's a homosexual pedophile in the book. I have a feeling that wasn't in the movie.
It wasn't mentioned, but some of the slaves he kills are definitely androgynous and young, he's definitely coded.
where have you been? Fat is BEAUTIFUL now.
>morbidly obese
>no breasts
What a fricking failure
>mogged by the smoller trans drag queen (and more talented
sad
He was afflicted with fatness as a disease because he raped a woman and he is a known pedophile.
Ugly on the outside ugly on the inside.
>He was afflicted with fatness as a disease because he raped a woman
This is a KJA and Brian Herbert addition to the lore so I just disregard it
it's funny how it's treated as such an epic achievement to kill that fat frick, the most killable thing in the movie
The book is from a time where "sympathy for the villain" wasnt a very common archetype. And honestly, it doesn't have to be an archetype in *every* single movie
Literally me
He's literally worse in the books
they're not even full characters
they are saturday morning cartoon villains who have no character traits except being psychotic powergrabbers
what a "masterpiece" in filmmaking
Denis had no time for any of characters because he was busy making closeups of Zendayas puffy mug and Timothée making sad pensive eyes.
his quote from last week was totally illuminating. he doesnt care about dialogue or plot or introspection. he is all about the visual spectacle which is excellent.
he's even more autistic than young george lucas who at least cared about plot and dialogue
The constant killing of servants and henchmen was so juvenile and distasteful. It was also incredibly cheap to sell how "scary" they are. All around, a film that looks great visually but is abhorrent on any other measure.
>The constant killing of servants and henchmen was so juvenile and distasteful
It was to make the Harkonnen look bad, and Paul look good.
>Paul refuses to kill Stilgar when requested
>meanwhile, the Harkonnen casually kill their underlings
It was kind of comical after a while, but I suppose it's to help explain why they were so easily defeated.
You forget that modern movies are written for the more profitable indian/chinese markets. This is a much lower IQ region.
this. the biggest flaw of the movie is dv not caring about the characters at all.
we see paul changing his mind about going south but we have no idea with which pros and cons he has been struggling and why he eventually changed his mind.
we see chani promising to always stay with paul for as long as he doesnt change but then she abandons him and the movie never illuminates what she sees and why she changes her mind
the movie doesnt care about that. it's surface level visual spectacle
They seemed like huge pushovers honestly
They were, but so was the Emperor's army. It's kind of pathetic how the Fremen can just beat everyone. The only winning move I can see, is if they destroy the planet. I wonder if that happens in the next movie, or maybe everyone lands on the planet just to die. Paul has a vision of everyone dying, so clearly something happens.
>Sardaukara enter the dust
>Few seconds later fremen emerge
I get this was supposed to be a cool moment but power levels were so unequal all it did was roll my eyes to the back of my skull
>power levels were so unequal
That does make for a really lame story. It's like, what is a person learning, when you watch an army easily beat everyone. Paul has wiped out two different factions by the end of Part 2. I just can't help but see these movies as
>Hitler, but he won instead of losing
When did that happen?
The Sauerkrauts defeated the fremen though.
>orcs
>le bad
they just like warrrgh, respect the culture bigot