Are you sure that the writers weren't planning for them to be more than friends in season 2?
Are you sure that the writers weren't planning for them to be more than friends in season 2?
Are you sure that the writers weren't planning for them to be more than friends in season 2?
>Normal thread
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no writers hate finn
Do you have proof?
i saw muto in the street and he said it's true
All the proof I need then, have a good day
Why is everyone working in animation a mentally ill frickwad?
People also say this about their favourite characters, though.
they say they want them to suffer for amusement, not that they “deserve” to suffer
Tomato, tomato.
isn't curious how all of that was during pendletton's era? the same way how it was more innocent and dnd focus?
>isn't curious how all of that was during pendletton's era? the same way how it was more innocent and dnd focus?
Yep, from one guy's idea to the idea of several others. It explains a lot of the general character and plot shifts that happened later throughout the main series after the first two seasons.
Yeah
Episodes like this and The Real You made this pairing hard to ignore. Obviously the ending of Mortal Recoil was a huge hint supporting the pairing, but the heavy teasing was happening even when she was an adult. Just look at the end of this episode.
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Why couldn't they be together? Did Finn really deserve to be hated so much by the showrunners?
that was a really nice episode
The whole point of the young PB episode is precisely to show that she is too old for him. I dont think the pair was ever intended to go through. It was more a case of Finn having puppylove for PB and growing out of it by meeting FP.
It wasn't. The episode ends by Jake saying he will still get her by being persistent for her and that in the end he will climb the wizard steps and win the princess (her) but that he needs to work more for her
That was obviously terrible advice by Jake. He is clearly not paying attention to what Finn is going through and giving him awful advice. That was the point, the fact that you took it as genuine advice is kind of hilarious.
It wasn't the point that it was terrible advice, I don't know where the frick you get that from (aside from the voices in your head). It was meant to console Finn at the end of the ep and give him a new goal after the breakup. The episode itself ends on a shot of PB in a high castle balcony and Finn looking up at her and saying "climb up the wizard steps", meaning he should be with her but has a way to go until he reaches that point.
If you watch the episode, you can see Jake is playing a videogame, barely listening to Finn and literally narrating what he is doing in the videogame. It is not genuine advice, it is Jake being a deadbeat parental figure and blurting out whatever he has to just say something to Finn.
That's the opposite of the point of that episode, it was about the fact that age is the only thing standing between them. Given the season/renewal structure of the show, FP didn't even exist yet when the deaging season finale was written.
Right, age is the only thing standing between them but age is everything. Finn is only 12/13. He will grow out of liking her way before he is old enough to actually be in her dating range. That was the point, it is a disquieting xmoment about missing the possible love of your life by a few years. Case on point, he falls in love with FP and stops viewing PB as a romantic interest.
There is also the fact that later on they retcon PB to be much much much older than 18 and functionally immortal.
I don't see how any of that later retcon stuff changes the fact that at the time of writing the deaged PB episode it was meant to show they would end up together if they were the same age. FP was also introduced later (by Rebecca Sugar, so Finn wouldn't bother her lesbians), if not for her Finn wouldn't have any other human shaped girls to fall for in the meantime.
I just gave you several reasons why the episode was not about them getting together but rather about why they wouldnt.
And all of them rely on retcons introduced later that weren't a thing at the time of writing the episode
Pendleton Ward had intended Finn, BP, and Marceline to be like Archie, Betty, and Veronica. I think it was supposed to be a perpetual will they/won’t they.
the comics are proof of this since they reveal in there that finn is in a poly relationship with marceline and BP
The comics are sanctioned fanfiction and not canon.
>AT writers
>planning
I think adventure time is the show, not the cartoon, the SHOW with most foreshadowing in all history, so yeah the writers knew what they were doing
Nah it's Homestuck-style leave a lot of hooks to later mean something maybe
>hey look a thing we may or may not do
>comes back 5 seasons in half explanation and resolution
Great planning
yeah I'm sure your american kids cartoon has more foreshadowing than something like a rendition of three kingdoms that's been written for centuries
I can't believe there was a time where Finn got to not only get a caringly made sweater of liking someone a lot from PB but even hugs. Everything started to get moronic after Flame Princess' episode where he tried to lay on her lap and she was like "ew no" and he started crying singing about her thanks to Rebecca Sugar.
Flame Princess was a fine character early on but I can't help but wonder how Finn and PB's interactions would've continued without giving him someone else to pursue. I'd have been perfectly fine with things staying as they were with him being the loveable goofball knight who has a crush on her and her being kindly affectionate in return to his heroic bravery and assistance. It didn't need to be more than that, it was just sweet and things can just be sweet damn it.
This is why I seethe when people say that PB never liked Finn or was just grooming him or whatever. In the first three seasons at least they clearly genuinely like each other, whether they were supposed to be “endgame” or not.
>Everything started to get moronic after Flame Princess' episode where he tried to lay on her lap
As far as I care to remember, I think that was when PB also started to change. I don't know, it could've been happening sooner but I feel like that opening scene shows a strange mixture of two different characterizations.
>hanging out with finn and jake on top of their house having a sweet casual time
>jake lays on her lap and she says "good puppy" in a cutesy simple-minded way (as opposed to saying jake's name)
>when they look over at Finn to see if he's enjoying the fireworks, he gets bashful looking at her and stammers
>she chuckles and turns in this honest and sweet princessey way
Then after he does the thing her demeaner is obviously different. Excluding her telling him no, just her saying "don't be weird", getting up and as she walks off saying "look guys, I'll see you later..." just feels like its two different characters. Maybe it wasn't really that egregious back then because you can call it situational writing, but in hindsight seeing how they changed her in so many ways going forward it feels like the shift was starting at that time. I feel like she'd more react like "oh finn, you're so weird' in a polite but confused way and not the way it went. Idk man I can't come up with something on the spot but surely someone gets what I'm saying.
I get what you mean
They also went into her being a science is my religion type of scientist after this as well
Trying to explain everything with a scientific explanation
The season 4 intro episode was a clear change in the show's pace. It started to get more into the romantic subplots and have less episodes about random adventuring. I like to think that its the mark of Finn's growing up. And changing PB's characterization to be darker was a good move. The problem is that they did not stick with it and caused tonal whiplash as the show progressed.
Finn is a legit force for good but he was molded by two pretty terrible people, Jake and PB. Jake just for the sake of adventuring and having fun and PB to have a soldier. I wish they had gone more into characterizing the two as actual negative forces in Finn's upbringing.
>Incendium written by: Sugar and Muto
But it's not Rebecca's fault guise!! She totally wasn't trying to clear space for her lesbians!
When he was young, she thought it was cute and precocious. But she just wasn't attracted to him. He got older, and it was at that point that she decided, "I'm nipping this in the bud". She considered him her friend, but she wanted to make it clear that it just wasn't gonna happen between them.
>she just wasn't ACKtracted to him
If you don't watch the show then why on EARTH do you post in these threads?
It couldn't have stayed that way unless Finn never aged, and he had to because his va couldn't keep sounding the same. And even then eventually shit would stop being sweet. It just can't stay that way forever, eventually Finn was going to get frustrated, or depressed. And the fans would have gotten tired of it too. I don't see any reason why a crush sitch like that should always stay the same, and I don't see how they could even have made that function in a way where the show keeps being just as watchable.
It only became a problem when they started going into deep emotional romance realism with it. He was happy when she'd be kind to him and appreciate him with general affection. People are way too obsessed and used to character drama now but back then there was no reason to take shit that seriously and the show didn't need to get pretentious about growing up and Rebecca's melodramatic romance ideas.
>he was happy when she'd be kind to him and appreciate him with general affection
Because he thought it was a step, and that eventually he'd get his chance. Are you moronic? Everyone knows that. Keep in mind he was twelve. He thought those hugs and kisses meant he was going to marry her one day. And that's already realistic emotion.
>it didn't need to have anything about growing up
This is wrong. "Objectively" so. There is no way Finn could have never changed while at the same time doing puberty.
They kissed when she got age reverted...
They kissed while she was an adult, too.
it was such an innocent relationship they had. early adventure time was peak
If I recall correctly, Pendleton Ward supposedly planned for it to be endgame but he unfortunately left development.
He stepped down as showrunner in the middle of season 5. IIRC it was because that season had double the episodes for whatever reason and pulled more strain. Though I also can't help but imagine that was when the writers room started shifting his vision into something else so he just stepped down instead of putting his foot down about it.
I could see it being too many cooks in the kitchen situation and he became the odd man out. I mean, it sucks but it's better for him in the long run because it was the same soup he was making after a while. That at least left him open for new projects but I don't even remember if he did much after leaving Adventure Time.
>started shifting his vision into something else
Pen is still uber close to the entire AT staff and personal friends with them to the point he usually gets involved to help with production in all of their stuff, AND he basically stayed as an uncredited producer for the entire rest of the show and specials, including Fionna and Cake.
This. I dont understand where people are getting that he was completely divorced from the show. Especially since he still voices multiple characters
Didn't Muto literally say Pen had frick all to do with Fionna and Cake past voicing Ellis P?
Yep and it was still pretty good.
Thqt outfit is really hot. I might draw her in it, but with big breasts and a fat ass
It's been over 10 years get fricking over it already. Finn got a way better love interest in HW anyway.
>doesn't even like her
>pretends to be someone else every time she's around
>but it's okay because I'm so hekkin querky and I jerk off to the objectively less pretty hobo "girl"(thing)!!!
meds
Kys right now idiot. You do know you never win and everyone never takes your side? Who do you think you're fooling rn? What evidence do you have that you're fooling anybody? You're not, they think you're a moron, because you are.
meds now
Amasing comment but you're going to get fired probably.
Let me guess, "implied"? Which, on Cinemaphile, means coombrain delusions. It was not implied, it never happened, and like I said it's not even a canon show.
It was an intentionally cliche obvious red herring ship. From the start, he was bound to end up with some dark horse like Huntress Wizard. I don't know how anyone finds this surprising.
I don't know how you can say that when S2 literally ended with Finn and PB together which could've been the series finale had the show not been renewed, I don't know how much more confirmation you need to realize they were always meant to be a thing.
The misdirection was in making her older so you wonder "how tf are they going to make it work" given that she was the only love interest for Finn back then.
>which could've been the series finale had the show not been renewed
AT got renewed after season 3 and then again after 7.
Nope
>the only way they can be together is if we cause character death through de-aging.
How does this confirm anything?
That's a silly argument anon, if they didn't want them together they would have them end up together, under any circumstances. You also open the argument up to claims like "the only way Bubbline can be together is if we cause character death for both through major retconning".
If you stopped watching AT after the end of Mortal Folly/Recoil, it ends at a fairly satisfying ending. Not a definitive "all loose ends tied" ending, but one that has a fairytale ending.
>Future Finn envisioned
>Big bad is introduced and comes close to world destruction
>It was not Billy's gauntlet that defeated the Lich, but the sweater PB made for Finn.
>Finn and IK working together to take on a bigger threat being a possessed PB
>Solves the age-gap between Finn and PB at the end of Mortal Recoil, ending on a happy note.
That could be your cutting-off point, the rest could be written off as sanctioned fan-fiction.
why are you Black folk so cringe?
>suggests a good cut-off point for AT
>"CRINGE!"
As a viewer, I can choose the amount of media I would like to enjoy on a personal level. Calm down.
Why are so such a homosexual
Anon, just so you know, you're a total loser.
PB's age reduction was a godawful way of "fixing" that ship and I am glad it didn't end on that note, would have been a shitty end to a fun series.
>That could be your cutting-off point, the rest could be written off as sanctioned fan-fiction.
Except from the best character in the show.
>Justin Roiland: The cartoon character
kek
No that's Rick and/or Morty.
I don't think Justin Roiland had much, if any, input on Lemongrab as a character.
if lemongrab was justin roiland he wouldn't do anything lemongrab does, he would just prance around and do a generic morty voice saying shit like "oh yeah im lemongrab thats me im grabbin the lemons" over and over while occasionally breaking up the dialog to laugh, because shitty voice acting is just voice acting according to justin roiland. he would say some shit like "ohhh im lemongrab im grabbin me some lemons, ohhhh boy, thats why they call me lemon guy-, i, i mean lemon grab, i grabbin all the lemons, ooh yeahhh i love the lemons, i like making out and kissing on the lemons thats why i grab em, thats right baby im the lemon grabber, i mean, (laugh break, possible burp) im the lemongrabber!" then it would cut to finn or princess bubblegum or whoever just staring at him and looking angry
lemongrab is actually a well written competent character in the show. which is how you can tell justin roiland didnt have a single fricking thing to do with his writing
because they hugged? yes i am sure
Pen always had that tweest of PB being an abusive princess.
remember when finn's arm got ripped off and a couple episodes later opens on him wearing a fricking trash hulk monster candy arm finn can't even do daily tasks with that PB made for him? with her being such a science whizz over time that's pretty moronic and makes it look like she didnt even try
autism thread
This thread is like the bare minimum of discussing characters in cartoons, you're on a fricking cartoon board for nerds who invest in cartoons (and additionally comic books.) There is legitimately no reason you should be upset by this thread.
Finn is a loser kid, Bonnie is a immortal Stacy super chadette.
Finn self insertion is a flared a d illogical concept by default.
Ah, so this thread has stuck a nerve for you then? Sorry to hear that Rebecca. Nice Ed Edd 'n' Eddy porn btw. :^)
You're proof people don't need to procreate. Finn never had a chance with her. Go run in some traffic kid.
>Finn never had a chance with her
Ah, I get, you're more of a Marceline kind of person. I get it anon, that's a fun ship too.
No. Go have a nice day.
Alright, she can sit on couch then. That's her favorite position afterall.
>Finn never had a chance with her
Watch the show RIGHT NOW. They literally dated you stupid homosexual moron! She has kissed him, she's gotten jealous of FP, etc. She's always been into him at least a little.
And Finn was gay
I never watched far lands or fionna and pie, but I do know they're not canon. Also I doubt finn was even a homosexual in these shows because Cinemaphile would explode and die if he was.
Finn canonically had sex with Simon
She wasn't jealous she just thought it was the right thing to "protect" Finn (and Ooo as a whole) from FP's instability
Bro you even know what episode I'm talking about, so watch the ending of that very same episode.
She wasn't jealous, she was nervous for him since FP could potentially kill him.
>didn't watch the ending
>tires to bargain with reality
Go away they slave.
She looks worried for him because he's hanging out with someone who's a villain and is literally burning him. You think she would react that way if he was with someone harmless instead?
In the top right panel, maybe, the "shut up" panel definitely contains some self-pity though, Jake's hunch is right.
Pic related, an expression of nervousness
>"protect"
Why is that in quotes? She literally saved the planet.
This is hot and all but I feel like she'd survive it.
stay mad, even AI knows ur ship is bad and non canon.
No go to bed autist.
I'm confused. You didn't answer my question, also how do you think these two posts are the same person?
Do you mean were they planning the ship to happen in s3 during the production of s2, or do you mean were they originally planning on having the ship happen in s2 instead of s3? The former is obviously a yes, and the latter is such a random question and idk why you're asking.
Yes.
Why are Fubblegum shippers consistently the most obnoxious on this board?
Because they are incels.
>this gets anon money
Watch the show damn.
They self inserted hard as Finn and had PB as their waifu when kids, and then couldn't get over the fact that the ship died just like that.
And they're in the room with us right now?
idk anon, Bubbline shippers get pretty railed up if anyone dares question the legitimacy of their relationship. They shouldn't have to seeing that the show went above and beyond to make it canon.
The show already happened, and all people can do now is critique what went right, what early plans were like, and what went wrong.
You never saw the show anon. It was never made canon. It will always be the most moronic fake shit that makes no sense made by delusional insane things.
>It was never made canon
When I said "They shouldn't have to seeing that the show went above and beyond to make it canon." I was referring to to Bubbline. Seethe less and read more.
Most likely, and if true, it's still fun to mess with them.
Yeah I know that shit. You need to watch the show moron. Bubble Lean was never made cannon. Why are you so confident when you know you only have unreliable second hand information?
>Bubble Lean was never made cannon
???
Guess this means it's canon Finn is in a relationship every single princess then. Source: breezy.
dude, I'm on your side here, but this is just pathetic.
>Just because they kiss on-screen doesn't mean they like each other romantically. People just do that sometimes. Right?
It doesn't. Source Breezy. And anon is saying they're in a relationship btw.
>people just do that sometimes
I could definitely see marceline doing that to pb given the context and recent events. But whether r not you agree with that particularly doesn't matter. Just see above.
Nope Finn died a virgin confirmed.
>confirmed
What confirmed this anon? Also you're crazy.
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>yeah, we can totally kill it now!
classic PB
Right? I love that b***h.
they shoe-horned a kiss into the finale.
Point?
I could use a few more words in that sentence, please. It would help me to understand what the frick you're even asking.
I'm asking what your point is?
>some non canon random distant lands porn fanfiction shit
And you expect to click on this, coomer? Post something relevant. Oh wait, all relevant things support my side...
Mhm this one is either crazy or trolling. Disassociate from reality I guess.
That looks like Fionna and Pie the series. Why bring it up? Also not clicking obviously.
>Fionna and Pie
>Pie
>PIE
>that pic
>that FRICKING pic
Holy shit is that real?
what? what's remarkable about it?
ok, my point was that Bubbline was made canon, no matter how much we hate the idea. ignoring that just makes our side seem unreasonable.
Yeah, see what I mean? This guy almost seems like a falseflagger trying to make Fubblegum shippers look like moronic schizos. But knowing this site, this guy could be 100% genuine which really fricking sucks.
It's a real bad look mate.
But it wasn't though. You're ignoring reality right now, because they told you to and you can't resist, homosexual. You're conceding and thinking you have to make a compromise with reality because everyone is on the other side, saying and repeating those lies over and over again. It's classic old they shit. Wanting people to think they can make bargains about what's real and not. You're infected.
Okay, let's just step back a bit and try to see where the confusion is.
What do you consider canon to the story of Adventure time?
for me, it's the original 10 seasons, and that's it.
>for me, it's the original 10 seasons, and that's it.
climb back into your mom's uterus and figure out how the world and reality works then.
you still didn't answer my question.
And I can't climb into my mom's uterus. So I think I'll try your mom's
Please stop trying to reason with a schizo it literally does not work you're just gonna go around in circles.
Yeah me too. also
is not me, dummy.
You're actually moronic.
For saying the truth?
You realize your argument is literally "I consider Batman Begins canon to the Nolan Trilogy but not the other two movies" right?
the show runners said that "Come Along With Me", the finale to season 10 was the series finale.
That's why I don't consider anything after that canon.
The showrunners said explicitly that it was the end, so I believe them.
It's one word of god that contradicts other word of god, so pick whichever you want.
"Adventure Time" is an intellectual property.
The end of season 10 was the end to "Adventure Time" Cartoon Network Show. Not the end to the property.
>say something random where there is no way to reply other than simply saying no it isn't
No it isn't.
>i guess you have no argument, kiddo.
AAAAAAGH! You homosexual! I cannot believe you fell for this
shit! That is not me!!!!!! This
is me! You moron! Kys NOOOOWWWW!!!!! GAAH!
I am willing to bet 80% of the "bubbline" shippers you encounter here are falseflaggers trying to bait you or people who don't ship bubbline but you assume they do just because they don't like Finn x PB or Marcy.
There were a couple moments that sort of hint towards it past a certain point.
Bubblegum intensely sniffing she shirt she got from Marceline when she wakes up was just fricking weird. I had always assumed it was just "lolsorandumb" humor trying to capture what was long since lost from the show.
Then there was the roundabout way Marceline's dad asks Finn if Marcy has a boyfriend yet, and Finn answers "Maybe". Plus how she sings a song about slow dancing with a girl in that episode.
Marceline takes Bubblegum to a dinner with Ice King. You could interpret this as her trying to force a new friendship between someone she cares about, and his long-term victim.
Or if you're one of those people, you can say that it's just like someone introducing a girlfriend to a parent. Nevermind the fact that people do this all the time with regular friends too.
People look at this to say that it's properly built up and all, but at this point, I don't care if it was outright stated in the first episode. They just don't work together as a couple. For some reason, their interesting characteristics just go out the window when they're together after they become friends again. They just airbrush themselves into planks of wood just meant to plainly state what's going on. Because the people who write this think that any semblance of difference constitutes a toxic relationship.
>Marceline takes Bubblegum to a dinner with Ice King. You could interpret this as her trying to force a new friendship between someone she cares about, and his long-term victim.
Ice King/Simon is essentially her actual dad. Its more like showing your parent your significant other
why do you keep posting this shir you found on deviantart lol
>deviantart
It's from the actual story pitch bible;
https://cartoonpitchpro.com/adventure-time-pitch-bible/
I don't like Bubbline but i'm not seething to shit about it because they're immortals and they would start fricking eventually anyways
Because they actually watched the show themselves and don't spread the same yootoob hivemind drone shit like everyone else you know and it scares you that someone disagrees with you because seeing the truth reminds you that you lost your soul?
Oh it's you, the Fubblegum schizo who accuses people of having "lost their soul" because they don't like their ship. I remember you from other threads, and just want to let you know that if you're actually a falseflagger trying to make Fubblegum look bad, then you are doing a fantastic job of it right now. Because no one in their right mind would look at your inane ramblings about people's souls and think "Yeah this guy has a good point".
>oh, it's you this guy
Nope, not me. I've never seen this guy and I never really go in at threads except for recently because there are actually some at threads now that aren't about gay. Sounds like somebody else just saw the show. And maybe copied me because I'm the one who always reminds gays that they have no soul or brain.
>no one would look at you and say "you have a good point"
They don't have to. I'm right. Why would I care about """people""" like you who haven't watched the show but talk abut it anyway?
You Bubbline yurigays are more annoying and whiny than any Fubblegum shippers could ever be. In fact, most Finn self-inserters ship him with Huntress Wizard. As a kid, I just thought it made sense for Finn to eventually win PB over as he got older but I guess we were watching two different shows.
Because you feel personally attacked by them liking another ship, as fragile yuritroons are wont to do.
Mathematical, an AT thread, and with best girl in the OP too!
I feel like maybe the crew was mixed on it, but also maybe it was that they felt it wasn't going to work with more episodes. It's interesting that it was 5 episodes in to the next season until her being a kid was resolved, that kinda seems like they didn't immediately want to change it but decided to a little ways into production? Otherwise it probably would've been the season opener I think. Plus she said she wanted to stay that way with him, it felt partially like the writers wanting it to stay that way but knew it couldn't... Personally I'd have enjoyed that ending even if it meant we didn't get all the cool stuff we have so far. I really love how their relationship was handled in general back then the most so I'd like if it ended in season 2, even if they're still alright these days.
I'm looking forward to the new game "Explore the Dungeon Because I DON’T KNOW!” coming out this November for PS3, WiiU, Xbox 360, 3DS, and PC. They even have some footage of it online.
I'm also really excited about the season 5 finale, it's a 1 hour TV movie. We still have over 20 episodes left before we finish the season but with a tv movie in mind I can't wait. I have this hope that Finn and PB really get to shine their respective roles as princess and heroic savior together in it, maybe something more akin to how things were back then, but probably without a hug after saving the day... but for all I know it could be a follow-up to Simon and Marcy. That'd be cool too though, I'm definitely interested in more mushroom war history.
Someone just post "you don't see it cause you're a homophobe" already.
>Do not. Unless you mean the non canon shit that comes after the show that I never saw besides a few clips here and there.
Ah well that explains it, you're not missing out on much, the extended stuff is kind of "meh" overall.
You just assumed we were talking about that stuff ITT even though op never mentioned it?
So 95% of the time this woman opened her mouth it was gay huh?
>Classic "not like other girls" authority hating bad girl teenager type not getting along with the authority, who is "priveleged" and prim perfect princess type.
>This means... le HECKING gay??
I mean have you even watched what you just posted? It's clearly classic teen angst where the teen hates those who are better than her and tells herself that they're shallow and also evil for being white. Clearly they used to be friends before but marceline is still mad and coping.
I don't like the way Rebecca draws Finn. Why is he so fricking wide.
Reading Comprehension: 0
I'm agreeing with you. Marcy x Bubblegum is a stupid ship.
What I was saying is that there are a couple moments that would lead some to think that they could feel that way about each other, if you're specifically looking for confirmation of your precious yuri-lesbo ship, and ignore any other more likely ideas.
I preface the gay interpretation of the dinner with Ice King point with "Or if you're one of those people". If you knew how to read past a third grade level, you'd know that it means I'm not one of those people who thinks that just taking a friend to dinner with another friend means gay.
>>slow dance cover means HOMO!!!!
when it's a girl who wrote a song about wanting to lovingly dance with another girl (read the lyrics) I'd say that's pretty cut and dry. Though, you can just as easily say that since she writes sad songs despite being alright with her current life, then she could be writing songs about loving girls like that despite not being gay.
>>IK parent
>Watch the show right now homosexual. Not even close.
Am I being baited right now? genuine question. it's the only explanation at this point.
>>but I'm not one of the shippers
>Whatever you say homo.
guilty as charged I guess. Not to being a homo, but I do ship Finn and Marceline, but only sultry cool girl Marceline from before season 5.
interesting characteristics go out the window when they're together
>Do not. Unless you mean the non canon shit that comes after the show that I never saw besides a few clips here and there.
Now you're defending their dynamic as characters?
Watch Marceline in the early seasons, then later on. She still has a semblance of a personality when interacting with Finn and Jake, but devolves into just an agreeable friend when around Bonnie.
Also, I haven't seen the supplemental material. They said the show ended, so I'm done with it.
>0 reading comprehension
You said there were moments that "sort of hinted at it". If you didn't mean that you shouldn't have said it. You could have said that there are moments that the gays pretend are something other than what they are.
>I said "if you're one of those people"
So what? You still said something you didn't mean at the beginning.
>when marceline writes a song about
Marceline didn't write it. What part of cover don't you understand?
>am I being baited
No. Kys or accept reality RIGHT NOW.
>ship finn and marceline
Never mind the choice I just gave you. Now you have to kys, you're not even allowed to do the other thing kek. Why do you hate everything? Everything good? Why must you make bad things in your mind?
>but devolves into just being agreeable and zero personality
No she doesn't. You watch the show dude. She's the same person. At least give real examples of moments you think she wasn't acting like herself.
>fujos/yurigays are stupid for mistaking friendship and affection for romantic attraction
>...
>but a girl accepting a guy's hug means she wants him balls deep inside her
Finncels...
Who the frick would even want to date PB.
I like Marci and PB's relationship but it only works because Marci is an immortal vampire who can live life without consequences and PB is kinda the same. PB is still a total schizo even after AT ended and Marci is the only one that can make it seem wholesome.
PB would be a dogshit person to date.
PB being a schizo is what makes it funny.
>PB would be a dogshit person to date.
She was fine at the start. She was weird and crazy but everyone in the show was weird and crazy in exactly the same wacky way. Then when the show started being a little less wacky they changed her into just being a c**t.
>She was weird and crazy but everyone in the show was weird and crazy
Bro the bit about her being a crazy dictator with control issues was joked about since season 1.
And then they turned her into actually making her citizens moronic and trapping them in a forced home with tracking devices in their teeth that explode or some shit.
>she made life
>only. THEY'RE STUPID?????
Not a crime and absolutely nothing wrong with it. She made them dumb so they would be happy and she protects and loves them all. It's pure bliss to be a candy person. Except for like the banana guards because they were afraid of getting decommissioned but Pb fixed that as soon as she found out about it and now they're happy too.
>forced home
What do you mean? This never happened in the show. I'm pretty sure they can all buy houses whenever they want and go wherever they want. Though to leave permanently they need someone to look after them. Because they're moronic.
>tracking devices
Not a crime when it's Pb. These buzzwords mean nothing. You're ignoring the real context and pretending like some random historical irl context is relevant and that everyone has that in mind.
>that explode
When did she make tracking devices explode? Also, even if she did which I don't think she did, that wouldn't be lethal to a candy person or even really hurt. It would scatter them and stop them in their tracks though.
Her being a war criminal is part of the fun.
You're memeing. But pretending to be reffit isn't fun here, it's annoying.
>can't name a single thing she did wrong
And we all know why.
>she was crazy in s1
She was never crazy in the whole show. The thing about control "issues" may be true but it's completely reasonable when everybody around you is a moron or evil and powerful or both.
I legit don't care about PB's crimes. Like at all. I find it funny at most. I don't care who she killed or hurt why would I?
Stop spreading lies and insanity. Pb has never been or done anything resembling schizo. She is a hero and very sweet too btw. Anything bad she did is something she will never do again. In fact there are only two bad things she has ever done and one of them was hundreds of years ago.
no, not the fact that they hugged, but that she gave him a hand knit sweater to stay warm because she gets worried about him, says she cares about him. Then they hug for a decently long time. All of what she says is in a soft loving tone of voice. When their hug is interrupted, they hold on to each other for a while longer until the Ice King finishes making his intentions clear.
Plus the fact that PB has kissed him on the cheek multiple times before this point, and gladly accepted a presumed romantic spaghetti dinner in the forest.
What's Marcy and PB got?
It's always funny to see people saying that these lesbian mixups were always like that when every other couple in pretty much every kid cartoon can't go a second without reminding you that one of them likes the other. These kinds of pairings are seemingly the only kind where the writers learn a bit of subtlety and don't spell it out clear as day.
Once again, confusing affection for romantic interest is why you still get no hoes and stack no paper
Also don't people say PB is literally western Makima? Like do you really want Finn to be with a girl who's literally using him as a dumb muscle lmao
>Like do you really want Finn to be with a girl who's literally using him as a dumb muscle lmao
Nah, I was always advocating for PB to be the final villain. If I had to pick someone for Finn to end up with as his endgame, I'd probably say Flame Princess would seem most realistic. I didn't much care for her character, but she was fun enough at times.
nta but stop it now. Stop lying, stop acting black for no reason. Just stop and leave.
>What's Marcy and PB got?
The shirt?
The fact they've known each other for literal centuries to the point they used to date?
Pretty much every interaction they had including episodes centered around them both like Varmints?
>The shirt?
I'll tentatively give that to you. I think it's just as easily explainable as just random for the sake of it.
Hell, when I first saw that, I thought it was narcissism since it's been multiple hundred years. Any smell that was on it at some point would be overshadowed by the giant wad of bubblegum sitting in the shirt every night. Plus, does she even wash that thing?
>to the point they used to date?
said outside the show, not canon.
>Pretty much every interaction they had
They're just friendly to each other. They don't argue or insult each other. I've said this before other times, but people these days see basic friendly behavior and stretch it out into something romantic when a literal reading would be easier to explain.
Finn and Jake may disagree, but they're always by each other's side no matter what. They're brothers to the very end. Are they fricking too?
>but people these days see basic friendly behavior and stretch it out into something romantic
The irony
>Finn and Jake may disagree, but they're always by each other's side no matter what. They're brothers to the very end. Are they fricking too?
My mom knit me sweaters and kissed my cheek, guess she wanted to frick me
Bubbline still making chuds seethe forever and ever. This alone makes it a patrician ship.
Oh yeah it's good stuff.
Homosexuality is a sin.
So it's fitting for a demonic vampire.
Jokes on you. I disliked Marceline since season 1.
so go jack off to your baby bible books
Every ship makes someone seethe, it's the nature of ships. You should set the bar a little higher.
The only reason it makes me seethe is because I like Fubblegum but I *also* like Bubbline, and there's no realistic way of getting both to happen. I have mountains of Bubbline art which I wouldn't give up, let alone all the great moments in the actual show, but on the other hand I also wanted to see PB and Finn happy.
There's no way they'd ever show a poly pairing, and I'm not sure how a "Doctor splitting himself into two for Rose" situation would go over, it's damning because I really like both pairings and would eternally regret the one that didn't happen.
Mortal Recoil could've split PB in two instead of just making her younger. Though I'd want both voiced by Hynden.
>and there's no realistic way of getting both to happen
I mean, I like the idea of the two inviting Finn to frick them both for the sake of it.
Sure but that's not exactly realistic with a PG rating on a show ran by tumblr
>tumblr
early to mid 2010s Tumblr sure but Tumblr pretty much hates AT in modern times because its a show with gay characters but one that's also not SJW extreme left propaganda. PB and Marci have a bunch of issues and were even a toxic couple before they figured out their shit. Tumblr can't stand gay pairing that have flaws in them.
>I'm not sure how a "Doctor splitting himself into two for Rose" situation would go over
>PB clones a younger version of herself for Finn to be happy
>Bubblegum Sister shenanigans ensues
Dang PB, if you're such a great scientist, why didn't you think of that?
Honestly I feel PB would do that for Finn in a realistic "horny" situation in the show. She's already a person that prefers practical fixes over morals. Cloning a younger version of herself for Finn to use a sex doll sounds right in the alley for her.
Still wouldn't be as cool as when the Doctor did it.
Cloning has weird implications and would make Finn look like Braco, I much prefer the option of frozen PB unintentionally being split into a smaller and larger PB at the end of Mortal Folly, one of which goes for Finn and the other goes for Marcy. Maybe have Finn and Marcy refer to the two of them as "our girlfriend" as well.
Ah back when even Nat and Becky, the reasons why Bubbline exists, liked Finn with PB and Marcy
I don't see the appeal of fubblegum at all. PB+Marcy is fun because they both have bit of an edge to them. They push each others' buttons, in a good way. They approach things differently which makes for an interesting dynamic, and ultimately compliment each others' weaknesses. PB and Finn would get bored of each other. He liked her because he was a kid with virtually no other humanoid women around to crush on. I can't picture them actually being together. He needs someone more similar to him. To me it feels like the main reason PBxFinn was popular was because he's the hero and PB was his crush. I prefer Finn and Marcy as bros, but that pairing at least makes some sense to me. Bubbline for life, of course.
>I don't see the appeal of fubblegum at all
Same, all their interactions looked to me like an e-girl and her simp who keeps doing heroic shit to keep her attention
Fubblegum always felt like a joke to me.
Fubblegum is the classic knight and princess dynamic which is an enduring pairing for a reason, rewatch only the first three seasons and you should see why they work, the later seasons did a lot to undo and memoryhole the reasons why they were good together, such as the fact she was supposed to be a silly 18 year old.
>Fubblegum is the classic knight and princess dynamic
Except, not really. PB is effectively a Queen, and Finn was a kid whom PB treated as such. If you rewatch the early seasons, PB frequently patronises Finn because he's a kid. Ricardio is a good example off the top of my head, but really any episode they interact. It's more like the classic kid crushing on his friend's, hot older sister dynamic.
>several examples of them being confirmed romantically involved don't matter
>but the couple examples of her patronizing him confirms she never cared for him
I'm sure you're just being biased
I didn't say she never cared for him, just that she saw him as a kid (which he was). The only exception is Too Young, for obvious reasons. The whole point of that episode was to change their dynamic from their usual one.
>The only exception is Too Young
But it's not, you either forgot or are, again, being biased
Why even bother with Too Young if apparently it changed nothing about their relationship? You're the biased one here mate.
They bothered with Too Young exactly because she didn't see him just as a kid, if she did then she wouldn't have liked him that way even when aged down
Stop telling lies. You're supposed to be acking yourself anyways. You aren't fooling anyone, we all know that EVERYTHING literally everything you said was a lie. Every single thing. Kys.
Your ship sank over a decade ago. Get over it.
>I'll just pretend like this guy is a major shipper and that he's seething
>That's believable right?
>PLS BELIEVE ME ANONS!!!! I need the money!!! please...
>no my ship didn't die and your arguments are lies because I said so!
Do Finncels really?
Again, randomly claiming people are shippers or that thing you made up called fin-cells. I'm not.
I think they'd be sweet together. Honestly it could've worked just fine extrapolating on earlier characterization. Even if not, even if we're going by the reading that PB was just humoring Finn at the time, there could've just as easily have been a character arc where she starts off all high and mighty from being smart and leading the most influential kingdom, gradually humbled by her experiences hanging out with him through dangerous expeditions and helping folks other than her. She'd then be inspired to open herself up to others and be less workaholic or whatever. From this, she'd come to terms that he means the world to her, beyond the superficial knight and princess dynamic.
It also could've built off of how she was towards Finn all the way in season 6, just with a romantic angle instead. She willingly took a punch from him just to straighten him out.
Finn is so short next to PB that it looks like he's being hugged by his mommy
>PBG kissed Finn in the pilot
>Finn and PBG were a couple even though comic book spinoffs don't count but still
>PBG kissed Finn in season 2
>PBG and Finn kissed on the lips at least twice in season 3
>"""PrInCeSs BuBbLeGuM wAs AlWaYs A lEsBiAn"""
It's bad enough seeing my ships die without homosexuality.
>Questions the direction of the early season's characterizations.
>In comes the schizos and seethers, who can't stand different ideas
A house of glass, that one be.
At best, she and Marcy are bisexuals given their past relationships.
You support the sin of homosexuality, and yet you call actual people schizos and seethers, who can't stand different ideas. You drooped your lipstick, you clown.
They were a couple in the show dude. Do you not remember the time she turned into a kid? They did end up a thing. Even Jake says so.
I would one day love a Cinemaphile thread where we can talk about the kind of intense breeding fetish Finn and HW would engage in, instead of Fincells coming in and ruining it.
>I would one day love a Cinemaphile thread where we can talk about the kind of intense breeding fetish Finn and HW would engage in
You know you can just MAKE that thread, right? Why wait for someone else to do it?
My complaint was that people who don't even like AT were gonna ruin it anyway.
you can lead the anons to a thread, but you can't make the discussion stay about what it starts as.
in non-pretentious speak: People are going to b***h about Finn's relationships no matter what the thread is about, as long as Adventure time is somewhat related.
>they WOULD engage in
Stop trying to piss everyone off moron. Stop cooming. You have no brain but it can be even worse if you keep it up. And you know for a fact that this is all only in your """""""mind""""""".
They have a predator/prey dynamic where one chases and the other runs away until they get caught.
Source: I made it up
I haven't watched What Was Missing in a very long time. I never realized how fricking forced the writing was between PB and Marceline when I was younger. "I wanna drink the red from your pretty pink face" like what the frick. That's such a stupid thing to have Marceline say. I guess Rebecca always had fanfiction-tier writing but jesus.
Dude that was just edgy kid teen angst.
What crimes? Only one thing she ever did was really a crime.
Stop looking at these Finncels Zuzu, we gotta get home and keep trying to make an heir.
So they just keep stealing each others stuff don't they?
I wonder if she munches on PB's hair when bored.
I imagine instead of leaving grey spots on the couch when she gets snackish she just has a little nibble.
The shirt was a gift. Marcy definitely stole the sweater though.
Good for her, be gay and do crime.
It's weird I haven't seen an edit of the succubus meme with them, especially since it's canon that Marcy has drained Peebs dry in an episode
Jeez Marcy left her looking like a raisin.
We'll never know for sure. First, Rebecca "the original Zuke" Sugar injected her yuri fetishes into the show derailing PB and Finn, and then Adam "bitter Asian manlet" Muto came in and he hated Finn's guts too much to get him a normal girl, much less the main princess.
Imagine if Rebecca pushed for pic related instead
>mfw I get cucked by a human
This thread is so fricking gay at the moment, so I'm posting Raggedy Princess to make it considerably less gay.
I wish she was my cum sock.
>She'd do it to, that girl's got like zero self respect
PB is so brutal that it's almost not funny.
Pb is totes funny though. I liked the part where she's just breaking into Finn's house and collecting taxes.
That is why I said almost not funny, because it's hilarious.
I'd teach her to value herself. She'll be the most proud cum sock in the world because she'll be my cum sock. There are no others like her. She's the best cum sock in the world, better than most people.
Look what you've done, you're making her blush
>me laughing at all the incels when Yuri keeps winning
>kid with an unhealthy obsession that put a MANIPULATIVE prostitute on a pedestal
>MANIPULATIVE prostitute that leads you on purpose so you can be part of her arsenal
and this is S1-3 counting Too Young
Unironically off yourselves
FP and HW are healthy relationships that can get better
The pink shit is not
But every single thing you said was a lie anon. In fact you went out of your way to say the opposite of the truth for everything. You think people here won't know that?
>>kid with an unhealthy obsession that put a MANIPULATIVE prostitute on a pedestal
It's realistic
>that would also be realistic if it had happened in the show
Fixed.
She genuinely liked Finn in S1-S3, they kept hugging and kissing and being romantic with each other
>PB liked Finn when he 12, but not when he was 17
huh...
"too young" more like "too old"
>"Don't you see? This character who barely showed up in the first half of series was planned to be Finn's true love the whole time! They thought several seasons ahead of this!"
Anon, fan theories are nice and all, but that's pretty far-fetched.
Funny, ain't it? Never had one defining moment of Gumball acting liked a "dictator"
>"Wait a minute. How did you get that without breaking into my home and searching my personal effects without a warran-?"
>"Nope. No no no, stop talking go to jail."
>Slaps some cuffs on him.
>Smugly, "Yeah."
It's so funny because out of context this looks sooo bad but really she's completely in the right and you know the hivemind drones will seethe and spread lies about this.
>the degradation of bubblegum as a character never affected gumball just so the writers could have their ladyboy character unaltered
Name one time degradation.
Considering the AT writers were all Calihomosexuals who hate white men no, they weren't planning on it at all.
I don't know how old are you and if you witnessed industry happenings back then personally but it was possible for stuff to be sane even in California well into 2014/15, and Pen's a sweet non-pretentious guy who'd absolutely write a straightforward wholesome ending and romantic outcome for Finn and PB.
>Without Lemongrab, "Too Young" wouldn't have happened
>PB stays young and still wants to be with Finn
How is this not considered contrive writing? Dude's sole purpose for existing was "We need a reason for PB to be 18 again"
Yes, and PB being made young was also contrived. It was a contrivance to undo a contrivance. For as good as the early seasons could be, they still had their instances of bad writing.
>PB being made young due to a chain of events that damaged and corrupted her body due to Lich toxins and possession
>Annoying motherfricker comes out of nowhere, proclaims to be the new ruler, and forces PB to re-age herself in order to fire him
Anon, one is waaay more contrived than the other.
It was contrived because it doesn't really make sense for her to just become younger out of nowhere instead of just being shorter and was done as a rushed way of making the ship "work" in case the show ended there.
>It was contrived because it doesn't really make sense for her to just become younger out of nowhere instead of just being shorter and was done as a rushed way of making the ship "work" in case the show ended there.
Fair point, which brings up the whole "Candy mass = age" thing. Was also contrived to introduce the idea of PB being far older than she made herself out to be post S3? Just so later down the line, the Bubbline ship could work as being canon?
I doubt the writers thought that far ahead. It was just a happy coincidence.
Why isn't her tongue forked? and why does my tism make me care?
specifically to spite you.
I will never recover. The forked tongue is what I live for. Give me the rope.
Bubbline started being actively set up ever since What Was Missing
to be fair this show does contrive the dumbest excuses to undo shit. plus it'd be pretty weird to just have PB remain a child for several seasons until she either grew up or was magicked back to normal
Yes, but the fact the resolution was contrived and not set up ahead gives us reason to believe it wasn't originally meant to be undone so S2's finale could potentially serve as the series finale, which would mean PB actually liked Finn.
I literally dont understand why people saying PB staying as a child could've been the good ending, you do realize she still wouldn't age and remained perpetually as a little girl right? That means sooner or later Finn would've become a pedo since he continues to age normally
Or she could.. add mass to herself gradually to age alongside him
Grown PB isn't attracted to Finn though
>aged normally
>when she hasn't aged at all since meeting Marceline which was ages ago
Holy moron
>Grown PB isn't attracted to Finn though
She used to be
>when she hasn't aged since meeting marceline
You literally made that up. We know nothing about them meeting. The only thing we know is that she stopped aging at 19. You probably had a dream and mistook it for reality, you child.
>grown pb isn't attracted to finn
I'm nta but you're undebatably wrong. Please watch the show.
we literally have the scene where they meet in the show.
No, because the people who think that also think that PB shouldn't have been a 800 year old immortal gum girl and should have aged like normal.
But she would have aged normally until she became 19 moron.
Immortal homosexual force of nature.
>No it doesn't. Shirt smells good. Pb is alone. So she sniffs it. People do things.
Now you're just being delusional.
>just say he's being delusional out of nowhere for no reason to win
No. Also explain, jk I know you won't you lying moron Black person.
It's incredibly concerning that even now people don't seem to get why things ended how they did. People can't actually be that dumb right?
It was so cute that Marceline was loyal to PB right to the end when the elements were taking over. Then by her side as an adorable marshmallow queen.
she was literally corrupted you moron
So cute. Angry Finn was fun too.
>loyal
Oh so now sacrificing yourself, your inteligence, your autonomy wholeheartedly just to be close to the shadow of your partner is cute and adorable but when Simon and Betty do it it's unhealthy, sick and deserved to be condemned. God damned blind lesbians.
Actually she was trying to get back the real PB but thought she was gone and gave up as she went candy mode.
You don't seem to know what the frick was going on in elements. Also no one ever said anything about simon and betty being "unhealthy", did they? I never heard of that anyways.
I bet you fubblegays are also kataanggays.
It's so easy to make you mad that it's getting boring.
Love PB, simple as
Wonder what her gf would think about her hanging out in a fricking ditch with an old elephant. How do you mess up that bad?
These two should date
>Farmword Finn was married (dead wife) and doesn’t frick with magic
>Butch PB is way to focused on the “kill all vamps” mentality to focus on anything else, especially romantic relationships
Wouldn’t work.
nah it would, they are both so bitter that their bitterness would draw them togheter. would be like a "okay just this once and we never speak of this" and they end up having sex and cuddling sessions regulary
>they’ll frick each other cause they’re both super jaded!
That is so dumb. Once again PB is way too autistic about the whole vamp situation that she won’t have time for comfort snuggles or sex.
>nail
>clearly a screw
Your image is triggering my autism
That's the joke ever heard of the phrase "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"?
No I mean it was pretty clear that she was always grooming him to be her dog.
>she was always grooming him to be her dog.
You accusing PB of being a white girl?
Who should Finn choose, adventurebros?
Marceline bro. she can keep that steady bromance with the romance. Plus, if she turns you, your now immortal.
impregnate both
Both would be ideal
>Who should Finn choose
Pre-S3, PB
Post-S3, HW
Neither.
They're both more interested in each other than they are with Finn and their aloof behavior towards him makes them bad influences.
Literally anyone else would make for better friends
Marceline was never a love interest, Finn only had a crush on PB, and later FP and HW.
was Finn an incel?
No, he had options, he just went after the hardest girls to get.
He was only seventeen. He’s had three love interests in his life already (five if you count temporal shenanigans) and is implied to have lost his virginity. He's doing better than most people.
If I lost my v-card to LSP I would be an incel too
PB and Marcy, the hot older girls that Finn and Finncels actually want, will never like him and will always reject him. He has to settle for the unsexy same-age nobody who is just a 3rd-rate boring participation trophy and doesn’t even like him that much back because he’s a cuck
Anon. Do you truly believe you're fooling anyone? You can't just get all your information from a thread on Cinemaphile and expect you know enough to post(or anything at all.). And there is no reason for you to post.
He should have ended up with slime princess. She had a hot voice.
Who voice her, anyway?
SHIT THREAD, I FLOOP THE PIG
>Adventure Time writers
>having a plan
pick one
Them growing up in a day was such bullshit.
Why did she do that then?
Because she's a pedophile that gets off to the power imbalance. Notice how she only stops doing stuff like this when Finn starts to mature?
Seeing what the show became after, I have to say the show ends at Season 2 for me.
There were good individual episodes after but story wise/writing and character wise everything just got worse and more dogshit the more it went on they really couldn’t write for shit.
cringe
have a nice day
>older girl/young boy main characters
>people freak out
>older boy/young girl main characters
>people freak out
is there any solution to this
publish it in japan. Finn and PB would be the most popular couple in the country if Adventure Time was released there.
It already literally inspired Denji and Makima
is there any solution without having them date?
/ss/ is based, e-girl is for homosexuals, americans are a diseace upon this earth
Kys shotacuck
no
it would be super based in adventure time
I'd have loved if they kept that thing in the first Marceline ep where Finn is 100% team bubblegum but Marceline is all over him trying to get a reaction
Actually aged well considering F&C.
I can’t believe Finn nuked himself
>"are you gonna turn me into a vampire?"
>"what? No!"
>"...Not yet at least..."
Was this made before Finn's hair was shown for the first time?
yep
pity cuz the artist loves blonde boys even better
Marceline was only really pranking on Finn and Jake for fun, there was no romance there..
that's something decided later on. All that's shown by their initial episodes together is that she loves teasing Finn specifically.
Everybody loves teasing Finn specifically. He's a funny kid who loves to take it
I mean tease in a romantic sense. Kiss him to make him blush, etcetera.
Enjoying toying with a boy who has deliciously corny ideals and is chivalrous but hilarious, and enjoying her powers of allure, does not mean she had feelings like that for him. Being flirty is fun
She had feelings for him you are just super fricking gay and honestly I would suck you off fo-
This, she was only interested in him carnally
It was always in a jokey way, just like older girls tease little kids, it was very clear she wasn't interested romantically in him, and neither was Finn.
anon don't even try to reason with yuritrannies
Too many have tried and failed. If they were able to accept reality they wouldn't be the way they are.
I don't care for Bubbline but you're actually delusional if you think Marceline or Finn ever actually had any actual romantic interest on each other.
Finn was only really ever interested in PB, FP, and HW.
Finn literally saw Marceline naked and freaked out from his boner
>b-but they totally meant that platonically uhh-ummm shy young boy and hot woman but it totally didn't mean anything in reality
Then they wouldn't include him freaking out over her in the first place, they'd have just done it with one of his "actual" love interests
Cope
>Finn literally saw Marceline naked and freaked out from his boner
It was an accident and meant to be awkward as hell, Finn wasn't peeping on her because he wanted, and it sure as hell wasn't because he had a crush on her.
He's a pure boy seeing an older girl naked, of course he's going to freak out.
Yeah, she liked to mess with Finn, but it wasn't romantic, she was just having fun bullying the pure hearted hero, and she also messed with Jake, he was scared shitless of her early on.
https://files.catbox.moe/apj2w0.jpeg
*sound of distant vampire plapping and Finn's virginity being taken by force*
Adventure Time, Distant Plaps.
>having to specify that your fetish isn't gay
lol lmao
older guy/young guy (shota tops)
>young Finn x Gumball and/or Marshall Lee
Based.
If Ice King weren’t such an old wrinkly wizard you could write an episode (in my fujo dreams) of him kidnapping Finn and making Finn his princess
you would be not asking this question if PB was a guy
>you would be not asking this question if PB was a guy
It's not the sex of the character that's the issue here, it's the actions the character took, how they've interacted pre-S3 vs post-S3. Marceline was up-front about not wanting to date Finn and wanted to stay friends. So why would PB egg Finn on, expressing genuine affection to him, only to U-turn it post-S3? The only practical explanation for this shift is that the writers changed coursed in PB's characterization at that point.
How in Golb's green earth is this thread still around?
tbf I do think that if one of the characters needs to be aged down for the ship to work, then maybe it's not a good ship at all to begin with
The original goal was to have Finn age into being PB's peer, he was aging a year every season but she was stuck at 18
>The original goal was to have Finn age into being PB's peer
Was this said by someone in the show or is this just something that the fandom assumed?
No, not really. It's just that anon's headcanon. Jesse wanted PB to stay younger for longer but main writers i.e. Ward and some others decided that it was OK to age her up quickly.
We're talking about Finn, it was confirmed he was aging alongside Jeremy Shada until they suddenly stopped him at 17 for "some reason"..
I mean, Seventeen was already in the very last season, so unless the show kept going, I can't see Finn getting older.
Alternatively, it also could've been because they didn't want to make Finn age out of the age demographic maybe?
The point is that Finn would've been ~20 in the finale if they kept aging him alongside Jeremy, but I think we all know why they they stopped at 17 specifically
>it also could've been because they didn't want to make Finn age out of the age demographic maybe?
You mean the demographic that was aging alongside him? They made Fionna fricking 30 in the new show to match the demographic
I don't see how that's relevant
>You mean the demographic that was aging alongside him?
And aging out of the show too.
>They made Fionna fricking 30 in the new show to match the demographic
And they bumped up the age rating too, this isn't old Adventure Time.
I hope you realize your two arguments contradict each other
The new age rating is just for technical stuff like blood and swears that execs still think matter to kids, it's not drastically any more brutal or mature than old Adventure Time
>until they suddenly stopped him
The show could have ended like 2-3 times before the actual finale
>for "some reason"
Show stopped before the planned final season, there's nothing more to it. Maybe he would have become 18 during this theoretical 10th season or maybe not.
I forget did Finn have like any male friends who could give him good advice aside from rattleballs. Also, RIP rattleballs your training montage didn't accomplish shit.
I'm trying really hard to think but besides Jake, Finn didn't really have any close male friends.
BMO and NEPTR are like his kids/younger brothers, Ice King was his crazy uncle, yeah, can't think of anyone.
>surrounded by mentally unwell women all your life
>bro is kinda of a tard
Everything about him makes sense especially in the later years
It also explains why Tumblr had to make up an OC for Finn to be gay with, the show didn't give Finn any male peers that they could ship him with, all the male characters are either older or younger than him.
tiffany is there
Yeah, but he wasn't prominent or conventionally attractive enough for the ship to be that popular, hell, the filename of the image you posted is "crackship" lol
If the show wanted to gaybait with Finn, they should've given him a recurring conventionally attractive male friend/rival.
Tiffany sounds like a girl, so that doesn't count
I don't think they were planning anything
You think wrong
You think wrong
>male lead character repeatedly kisses, pines after, romances, is implied in flirty and romantic situations, sees naked, takes on dates, etc the reciprocating female leads in a show whose pitch was about them being his Betty and Veronica
>"it means nothing!! it was an accident!! it never meant anything they weren't planning anything! those episodes wrote themselves by accident!!!"
>female characters hiss at each other once
>"oooh they frickin! I just know they're fricking you can feel the raw sexual energy between them! they were totally toxic lesbian exes! I just know it!!"
I don't mind any of the ships that happened or how the show turned out but denying that both PB and Marcy were supposed to be LIs for Finn at one point is delusional, sure they were written out of that role after S3 but Pen literally said Marcy was designed to be a waifu character for little boys, in a little boy show starring a little boy
I want to live in a world where PB can refer to Finn as her ex without it being seen as an attack to all lesbiandom
But Finn and PB were never together as boyfriend and girlfriend.
they were when she was deaged
that's why Finn literally explains to the viewer that she dumped him in 'Too Young'
>they were when she was deaged
No, they weren't, the romance was definitely there, but it's not like they were an official couple, it really just felt like two kids that had a crush on each other hanging out and having fun, it was too good to last I guess.
Finn says outloud "I was dumped" after they kiss and PB tells him to leave. You aren't dumped if you aren't together.
I mean, you can get dumped in the first date without ever officially becoming a couple.
Again, I just don't remember them formally becoming a couple, I feel like that would've been a bigger deal if it had happened, it felt like it was being set up to happen just before PB had to formally go back to her regular age.
I might need to rewatch the episode, but from what I remember, they just felt like they were in that "more than friends but not quite lovers" area, know what I mean?
Also, they were 13.
What do you think relationships between 12 year olds are like anon
Adventure Time is such pozzed woke troony shit.
I'm sure that's obvious but it bears repeating.
>meanwhile, in Japan
Stale
Japan does love troonyshit.
>shilling for lesbians, breakups and cuckoldry
>calls young men lusting for fertile sexually developed older women then consummating this troonyshit
I'm confused
>If Adventure Time were a manga Bubblegum would’ve fricked Season 1 Finn and Finn x Bubblegum would be canon endgame and they’d have 5 kids and live happily ever after
Feels Bad Man
I feel like the idea was there, but they were more interested in subverting expectations, Adventure Time was one of the first shows to do that, you know?
I have to ask because I forgot, was PB still a princess after Together Again? Obsidian just showed her with Marcie living together, like they're married. But I'd assume she has bigger responsibilities ruling the kingdom than staying all day with Marceline.
>after Together Again?
Sorry, meant Come Along with Me, the season 10 finale. I get those two titles confused at times.
She's still a princess after the finale, Obsidian still has her sometimes wearing the crown. King of Ooo got really unlucky, if he came around like a season later PB probably would have just let him have the kingdom
Well she certainly didn’t look like a queen in Obsidian, she looked retired.
I think that might have been just their at-home times, they're probably still living life as usual. It was montaged over glass-boys journey which must have taken some days. They must have the desire to break up their constant fricking with things other than thrilling games of snakes and ladders.
But yeah she probably relaxed her princess duties a bit. Show up every other day kind of thing
>floatie in the cave water
boy that would be some cold swims
Would post-apocalypse PB have dated him?
she's a lesbian, chud, that's why she dated Marceline first
Finn was canonically a rebound because Bubblegum and Marceline were going having immortal-timeframe relationship issues
Isn’t the PB from that pic before she met Marceline?
if she met marceline later then they started dating that means she was lesbian by the time they met
In fact you don't "become" lesbian you're born that way. Fionna and Cake proves PB and Marcy get together in every timeline, they are soulmates and meant for eachother
Winter world PB didn’t end up with Marceline.
only because Marceline was literally dead
Based Winter King prevented Bubbline from infecting his universe.
Also Winter World
You'd think he'd be the champion of the Fire Kingdom but no
forgot pic
Wouldn't mind this being canon lol, love the slime arm.
I like to think it's like those sticky hand toys that kids used to have.
NOPE
Where are my Bubblepuff Chad at?
You anons really seem to enjoy looking for "fore shadowing" in those early episodes.
I wanna ask you to show me all the instances of Bubbline hints before Mortal Recoil.
I think the first ever interaction PB and Marceline had was in the movie episode where Finn tries asking PB to go with him and Marceline tries to help him get the date. In that episode when PB sees Marceline for the first time she scoffs as if she has some sort of history with Marceline. Not necessarily a romantic one, just one that makes her scoff at her presence.
It could be retroactively interpreted as romantic, as much as you could see that simply as a fancy princess being disgusted by a random punk girl.
It is funny because that episode picked up after the henchman one to form the backbone of Finn/Marceline shipping. Which culminated in Marceline's closet.
I'd be curious to hear more of those, I got one example so far
I don't care about any ship other than Finn and Roselinen but people that say Bubblegum is a lesbian irritate me on account of how they are just factually wrong.
She's bisexual. She's had both boyfriends and girlfriends.
Same with Marceline.
Neither of them are lesbian.
many lesbians go through initial bfs while discovering or questioning their identity.
It's a fact that Pb and Marceline always end up together in every timeline because they only really love other girls
Bi erasure is really something huh?
discovering that you're lesbian is not erasing anyone, chud. When both are alive they always end up with the local immortal GIRL - eachother. They're lesbians.
Do you want to have gay sex with me?
NTA but are you cute?
Nah Luz would never been shown being together with anyone but Amity but the show still stressed she's bi
Asides from being flirty with Finn when she was a kid, PB hasn't shown attraction towards guys that we've seen. I think it's valid to interpret her as gay or bi. She's a fictional character. You can't be "factually" wrong about art even if the textual evidence is strongly against your interpretation.
Yes she did. She dated mr cream puff for decades. From her early childhood to the time she met Shoko. She was attracted to Braco, so she built him a robot to date him for her.
Creampuff wasn't a real thing. I don't think she was attracted to Braco, except at the end because of the dark magic spell. Too Young's the only solid example, imo.
Creampuff was a real thing, she introduced him to Shoko as her boyfriend. Retroactively making her not like him at first doesn’t change the fact that she kept him around for decades or centuries afterwords.
"like" her boyfriend. The implication being.... not really. It's a joke, because it maintains continuity with a throwaway line from 4 seasons ago, whilst skirting around the weirdness of PB actually dating a candy person. It took until Bonnibel Bubblegum for them to explain why he was only "like" her boyfriend. That was what he was made for. She kept him around because she's nice like that. I liked that they implied PB warmed up to him, but c'mon, you think she dated this blob?
Yes, she told Finn they dated.
Yeah, but like for real.
Yes, it’s what she said. She dated him. It was real enough to bear mentioning hundreds of years later
She "dated" him because he was made to be her boyfriend, but they weren't in a legit relationship. But don't let me ruin your fun bubblepuff-gay.
What do you have against creampuff?
>you think she dated this blob?
You think Finn would frick Lumpy Princess?
Only if he was super depressed. And at least LSP isn't a dopey moron like creampuff.
I like that PB.
Y'know maybe I could've been alright with Bubbline happening but the show became too much like the midnight gospel and Steven Universe where characters became too introspective when the show's main appeal at the beginning was the comedy and action. The character stuff and lore grew into nice roles that kept it fresh, can't argue against the kino that is business time, Holly jolly secrets, and Simon and Marcy. But that shit grew too melodramatic as everybody says and character arcs begun to shift back and forth too much or cause characters to lose their appeal. Eh oh well. At least the first seasons were good with some quality stuff at times in later seasons.
I think the thing that killed the show for me was when they made so that Marceline had been taken care by Ice King.
It was a complete wtf direction they took, regardless of how good those episodes are.
There were plenty of theories about IK and Marcy's relationship because they were both super old. It's cool because it's unexpected but totally makes sense. Simon going crazy as IK at a similar time to a young Marceline. It's like they planned that shit.
>because they were both super old
wow that's TOTALLY a reason to give two characters a the last of us backstory that doesn't fit at all with what the series was at that point
Why is it so hard to admit that the early show was just a nonsense action-comedy with no attempt at a grand plot?
there weren't that many immortals back then, just IK, Marcy, Hunson and the lich. People already though IK Hunson and the Lich knew eachother because of that
*also the fact they're humanoid
back then it was super important that Finn was the last human so everyone was wondering what happened to the others
IK was obviously a human with a magic crown keeping him alive, Hunson was a vampire which get converted from humans and the Lich always had something to do with the war, so everyone thought they were connected to the verse's origins back during the mushroom war
>Hunson was a vampire
Hunson isn't a vampire, he's a demon
Marcy was half human, half demon, and then she lost her humanity to vampirism
back then everyone thought he's a vampire before Muto changed it
Excuse me then, I'm getting confused about what is, what was, and what was supposed to be but never was.
I Remember You predates The Last of Us, and the early show was a lot more character-driven than you probably remember. I always thought the strength of AT was how it balanced its absurdity with a genuine emotional core.
yeah these are twitter screencaps but they encompass very well why I'm so frustrated with this show
i think you're autistic
You're upset that some early show characters are only one-offs, while others like Magic Man show up a lot and get development?
I for one wish Penny could've actually been the villain in I Am Sword instead of Bandit Princess.
you got it all backwards lmao
So you wish characters like Magic Man could've stayed one-offs and not gotten any development?
I don't mind they appearing more, just that they didn't go as """"serious"""" as they went
she's a cold hearted psychopath why would you want Finn to end up with her? HW is way better and I like their dynamic better
I know Hynden and Jessica wanted their respective characters to be Finn's endgame. It was Olivia, Muto and the latter-era crew members who pushed hard for Bubbline
rebbecca is always the key
and ako maybe
VA's always support the popular or obvious ships of their characters and S1-2 was simple fubble times
It was set in motion in season three. At this point the vast majority is Bubbline. Move on.
Rebecca is why we can't have nice things
She really isn't
She definitely is, we have mountains of evidence for it
Anything she did had to be approved by her superiors, she was just a storyboard artist in the team
>heh she managed to sneak premise-destroying ideas into the show past every checkpoint so that means it's not her fault
That's not how it works, showrunners assume the storyboarders are working in good faith, if you put rat poison in a restaurant's water supply, it's not the head chef's fault for not noticing it before it's too late, you're still the person that put the poison in
schizo
>she managed to sneak premise-destroying ideas into the show past every checkpoint so that means it's not her fault
She didn't. In a show like this all this has to be talked about with their superiors. This isn't a school project, it's a job and people knew what she was doing, and accepted it. You don't "sneak in" concepts in an animated production, you get approved to do so by your supervisors. You have a childish perspective in the animation industry.
>if you put rat poison in a restaurant's water supply, it's not the head chef's fault for not noticing it before it's too late
Your example would have worked if you had said they put poison on a plate, but deep inside you know that comparison makes no sense, so you changed it to something insane. Schizo.
>Sugar and Muto had to be strategic
>subtextual
Sounds like they snuck it in
Why do anons seethe so much about the quirky lesbians?
I can only theorize why. But it sure is funny.
Why don't I ever get the lesbian pairings I ACTUALLY want?
because those pairing would make you bleed so hard from your nose the writers would be charged with mass murder. So to prevent morons like you from accidentally an heroing themselves, the writers can only ship lesbos that nobody gives a damn
>not Chuchi
Let's be honest. At first that was probably the plan they were going for, but than realized that ship was gone once they had to de-age her back, from that point on ward, it was basically over.
And this comes by someone who likes both FP and HW way more than bubblegum(to me, marcy for finn was mostly the cool big sister to hang out with minus that time he had a small crush over her) . And the whole lesbian thing would be fine if it was actually handled in a better way.... To bad they didn't.
>Adventure Time writers
>planning
Imma stop you right there lmao
Actually while I'm at it
>Adventure Time
>Having writers at all
LOL
LMAO even
It's OOO, motherfricker.
Dogs frick rainicorns and elephants frick aliens, it's a free for all, make it yourself kind of establishment.
I don't know where else to say this but apparently the flower that gave PB a haircut originally kept her from becoming a man.
So Finn is gay and Marceline is straight?
It was scrapped, but yeah that would've been the case.
Also, Cinemaphile would probably hate this show because she'd be pretty much trans.
Where’d you hear that? She takes her hands off her mouth before eating the plant in the storyboard you posted and she doesn’t have a mustache.
It was in the commentary for the episode, that was the original plan until Pen said no I think.
Let me see if I can find it.
>in the storyboard you posted and she doesn’t have a mustache.
That's not what you're supposed to be looking at, see how it says "PB - (manly) Hello boys", indicating PB would say that in a manly voice before correcting herself and asking for the plant.
Oh, thanks for trying to find it. I didn’t see that listed on the wiki or anything.
In retrospective, I really regret not immediately saving the post because now I can't find it, I'm still looking for it.
I thought it was common knowledge and I'd be able to find the commentary on YouTube or something, but nah.
Rebecca Sugar iirc.
what's the name of the episode?
Death in Bloom, haven't you watched the show?
Yeah, I just don't remember that particular gag
I still can't find the post, but the Wikipedia page of the episode does confirm it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Bloom
>According to storyboard artist Rebecca Sugar, a rough draft for the original ending featured Princess Bubblegum becoming a man without the Princess Plant. Moynihan later noted that the writers were being a "little reckless" when it was pitched, and Ward joked that he had to step in and be "quality control" to prevent the idea from making it into the final episode.
The commentary is almost exactly that.
Oh, thanks. Yeah, that seems like a really weird joke to pitch, almost on par with making Ice King knock up Gunter.
Hahaha what?
The ninja episode, instead of a cat Gunter’s baby was supposed to be an ice king penguin hybrid. Muto claims he drew the cat first, but the penguin made it to the storyboard.
Adventure Time was a weird show, specially on the early seasons.
Still can't find the actual post with the clip from the commentary, all I could find was this guy's recap of it on YouTube
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Again, he just mentions the weird thing of PB turning into a man without the flower.
And ho suggested this anon?
Who is the moron to blame for this?