Same. Even the bad stuff is good to me. It's just so fun to play pretend. I'd share some of my own school stories, but they were pretty boring. One time this guy started crying mid-test, left the room, and came back composed a couple of minutes later and that's about all of the drama that happened in my four years.
currently attending for 2D animatio. im learning a shit ton and loving it, but it's plainly obvious who is and isn't gonna be a barista/waitress after graduation.
im either gonna storyboard for studios, try my hand at freelance, or pick up a trade and do art on the side. I'm fine with any of these options, I just wrestle with the idea of having to move to California and pay $2000 a month for a studio apartment. A homie wants to own a home, ya'know.
Was it hard to get in? Are there lots of opportunities? Any good Scholarships or all out your pocket? Post your work.
Got in with a decent to sub-par portfolio surprisingly, shit scholarships so out of pocket. Don't wanna post work cause it's all with my real name and I'm overly protective/conscious about shit like that (i.e. im pussy?)
I'm going to the college Maxwell Atoms went to and my instructors found me my first well paying job after seeing my thesis film. If you care about working in animation and not being some artsy film maker, you'll be successful.
This, it's very easy to weed out those that mess around and will complain about the school scamming them after graduation. Limit your network to those that work as hard as you.
What kind of job prospects are there? Not in the industry myself, just trying to get an idea of what the industry is looking like so I'm more informed.
My job's at a small studio working on commercials and bumpers. I'm not in television animation yet, so I cant tell yell the details there. There's still culture to conform to here but I can safely say that the smaller the studio, the less politically caring they are and the more they want work delivered daily above all else.
How many such small studios are out there, would you say? Do you do all your own animation in house, or like
Gist of it: Atleast for TV animation, Most of the actual animation is done overseas cause its cheaper. What's done in the US is essentially all the pre-production work. Character design, backgrounds, storyboards, audio, etc. All of that is sent to the overseas studios to actually be animated. The most abundant job in the industry is Storyboard Artists iirc. You can still be an actual animator, if you use 2D Rigs/Puppet animation there are jobs for that mostly in Canada, frame by frame stuff would mostly be freelance or times when places like Disney and Warner Bros need it. I don't know a lot about that so excuse the brief/shit answer. Although no matter your opinion on it, I have a lot of hope in Hazbin Hotel bringing good frame-by-frame animation back atleast slightly. Sorry if theres any bad grammar/sentences etc i just typed this in one go and im not going back to check it >pic slightly related
said is it mostly pre-production work and the animation is outsourced? It'd be real interesting if the only in house animation left in the States is big budget movies and ads.
Gist of it: Atleast for TV animation, Most of the actual animation is done overseas cause its cheaper. What's done in the US is essentially all the pre-production work. Character design, backgrounds, storyboards, audio, etc. All of that is sent to the overseas studios to actually be animated. The most abundant job in the industry is Storyboard Artists iirc. You can still be an actual animator, if you use 2D Rigs/Puppet animation there are jobs for that mostly in Canada, frame by frame stuff would mostly be freelance or times when places like Disney and Warner Bros need it. I don't know a lot about that so excuse the brief/shit answer. Although no matter your opinion on it, I have a lot of hope in Hazbin Hotel bringing good frame-by-frame animation back atleast slightly. Sorry if theres any bad grammar/sentences etc i just typed this in one go and im not going back to check it >pic slightly related
was talking strictly 2D btw, probably should have said. There are definitely smaller studios that work on shows. Titmouse and Bento Box are probably the biggest 'small' animated studios. I think I may have overstated how little animation is done in the US, but it's still not a lot.
Gist of it: Atleast for TV animation, Most of the actual animation is done overseas cause its cheaper. What's done in the US is essentially all the pre-production work. Character design, backgrounds, storyboards, audio, etc. All of that is sent to the overseas studios to actually be animated. The most abundant job in the industry is Storyboard Artists iirc. You can still be an actual animator, if you use 2D Rigs/Puppet animation there are jobs for that mostly in Canada, frame by frame stuff would mostly be freelance or times when places like Disney and Warner Bros need it. I don't know a lot about that so excuse the brief/shit answer. Although no matter your opinion on it, I have a lot of hope in Hazbin Hotel bringing good frame-by-frame animation back atleast slightly. Sorry if theres any bad grammar/sentences etc i just typed this in one go and im not going back to check it >pic slightly related
This was true even in the 90s. There's a bizarre scene in an episode of Dexter's Lab where the audience for a Chuck-E-Cheez style performance flies off into the sky. Turns out the Korean subcontractors misinterpreted "the audience takes off" to be literal. This mistake was found to be too funny to correct and it remains in the episode.
Same goes for any college, really. When I was a freshman in college, there were a bunch of butthole "jock" type idiots on the same dorm floor as me that were always annoying buttholes and would go out to house parties to illegally drink and shit like that. After freshman year, I never saw any of them again, except for, surprisingly, the black guy who was really chill. Based homie.
That's university in general. I never went to art school but you notice as you progress to upper division courses the number of non-serious people decreases rapidly. I studied literature and writing and by the time I was taking 300-level courses (which had stiff requirements including submitting writing samples to professors to get in to their classes) there wasn't a single person in those classes that wasn't extremely serious about their work. Every writing workshop had people with actual talent once I got out of the lower division cesspools.
Went to CalArts, but not for animation (music major). The animation people were all about as weird and ugly as you fricks, but they could animate just fine and in all kinds of styles. Beanmouth wasn’t even “in” when I went, they were more interested in “kawaii” Japanese kiddie style design
late 2010s
Another funny anecdote: there was a price hike in tuition announced by the school and raging trust fund kiddies put up posters protesting it with Mickey Mouse getting killed in various ways
>they were more interested in “kawaii” Japanese kiddie style design >$53k/year in-state tuition
Holy frick you have to be legitimately moronic to enroll. In fact I'd say that time would be better spent teaching yourself
>Anyone who attended these places have any stories from their time there? Was it overall a good or bad experience?
I didn't go to Calarts, but I had a pretty good experience out of art school anyway. I learned a lot more than I did at the community college I went to and gave me good fundamentals that I've been able to hop off onto more advanced techniques post-university.
if it makes you feel any better, independent animation is still thriving super fricking hard, you dont have to look particularly hard to find some good stuff. dont sleep on Newgrounds.
I feel like we have these threads every other week and it usually gets silence until it dies but a mod who doesn’t like art school threads. Can you give us a specific question this time maybe if it’s more Cinemaphile related it wont die. I usually always answer the same thing kinda want something more tailored for everyone.
>not born in Japan to be a slave of Japanese anime studios and draw bouncy boobs for ¥100 an hour >not born in America to attend expensive college and end up working on bean-mouth atrocity number 2542
Sonic porn it is...
i admire artists with amazing skills that end up drawing their weird fetishes because it's their true passion. There is an artist that I follow that could easily work as a concept artist but prefers to draw his fricked vore fetish shit instead, kinda inspiring.
Bumping, as a STEMlord I really enjoy living vicariously through these stories
Same. Even the bad stuff is good to me. It's just so fun to play pretend. I'd share some of my own school stories, but they were pretty boring. One time this guy started crying mid-test, left the room, and came back composed a couple of minutes later and that's about all of the drama that happened in my four years.
currently attending for 2D animatio. im learning a shit ton and loving it, but it's plainly obvious who is and isn't gonna be a barista/waitress after graduation.
what about you? are you gonna be waiter after graduation, anon?
im either gonna storyboard for studios, try my hand at freelance, or pick up a trade and do art on the side. I'm fine with any of these options, I just wrestle with the idea of having to move to California and pay $2000 a month for a studio apartment. A homie wants to own a home, ya'know.
Got in with a decent to sub-par portfolio surprisingly, shit scholarships so out of pocket. Don't wanna post work cause it's all with my real name and I'm overly protective/conscious about shit like that (i.e. im pussy?)
>or pick up a trade and do art on the side
why didn't you go to trade school, dummy?
that's just a "worst" case scenario. I don't think ill end up doing that but if it does happen then hey frick me i guess?
>a studio apartment for ONLY $2,000
Keep dreaming buddy
Was it hard to get in? Are there lots of opportunities? Any good Scholarships or all out your pocket? Post your work.
I'm going to the college Maxwell Atoms went to and my instructors found me my first well paying job after seeing my thesis film. If you care about working in animation and not being some artsy film maker, you'll be successful.
This, it's very easy to weed out those that mess around and will complain about the school scamming them after graduation. Limit your network to those that work as hard as you.
What kind of job prospects are there? Not in the industry myself, just trying to get an idea of what the industry is looking like so I'm more informed.
My job's at a small studio working on commercials and bumpers. I'm not in television animation yet, so I cant tell yell the details there. There's still culture to conform to here but I can safely say that the smaller the studio, the less politically caring they are and the more they want work delivered daily above all else.
How many such small studios are out there, would you say? Do you do all your own animation in house, or like
said is it mostly pre-production work and the animation is outsourced? It'd be real interesting if the only in house animation left in the States is big budget movies and ads.
What I explained here
was talking strictly 2D btw, probably should have said. There are definitely smaller studios that work on shows. Titmouse and Bento Box are probably the biggest 'small' animated studios. I think I may have overstated how little animation is done in the US, but it's still not a lot.
Gist of it: Atleast for TV animation, Most of the actual animation is done overseas cause its cheaper. What's done in the US is essentially all the pre-production work. Character design, backgrounds, storyboards, audio, etc. All of that is sent to the overseas studios to actually be animated. The most abundant job in the industry is Storyboard Artists iirc. You can still be an actual animator, if you use 2D Rigs/Puppet animation there are jobs for that mostly in Canada, frame by frame stuff would mostly be freelance or times when places like Disney and Warner Bros need it. I don't know a lot about that so excuse the brief/shit answer. Although no matter your opinion on it, I have a lot of hope in Hazbin Hotel bringing good frame-by-frame animation back atleast slightly. Sorry if theres any bad grammar/sentences etc i just typed this in one go and im not going back to check it
>pic slightly related
This was true even in the 90s. There's a bizarre scene in an episode of Dexter's Lab where the audience for a Chuck-E-Cheez style performance flies off into the sky. Turns out the Korean subcontractors misinterpreted "the audience takes off" to be literal. This mistake was found to be too funny to correct and it remains in the episode.
Same goes for any college, really. When I was a freshman in college, there were a bunch of butthole "jock" type idiots on the same dorm floor as me that were always annoying buttholes and would go out to house parties to illegally drink and shit like that. After freshman year, I never saw any of them again, except for, surprisingly, the black guy who was really chill. Based homie.
That's university in general. I never went to art school but you notice as you progress to upper division courses the number of non-serious people decreases rapidly. I studied literature and writing and by the time I was taking 300-level courses (which had stiff requirements including submitting writing samples to professors to get in to their classes) there wasn't a single person in those classes that wasn't extremely serious about their work. Every writing workshop had people with actual talent once I got out of the lower division cesspools.
The waiter/barista will be you. You're projecting yourself on to everyone around you instead of focusing on your own skills.
Went to CalArts, but not for animation (music major). The animation people were all about as weird and ugly as you fricks, but they could animate just fine and in all kinds of styles. Beanmouth wasn’t even “in” when I went, they were more interested in “kawaii” Japanese kiddie style design
When did you attend, I'm curious.
late 2010s
Another funny anecdote: there was a price hike in tuition announced by the school and raging trust fund kiddies put up posters protesting it with Mickey Mouse getting killed in various ways
>they were more interested in “kawaii” Japanese kiddie style design
>$53k/year in-state tuition
Holy frick you have to be legitimately moronic to enroll. In fact I'd say that time would be better spent teaching yourself
>Anyone who attended these places have any stories from their time there? Was it overall a good or bad experience?
I didn't go to Calarts, but I had a pretty good experience out of art school anyway. I learned a lot more than I did at the community college I went to and gave me good fundamentals that I've been able to hop off onto more advanced techniques post-university.
Reading all this shit is making me depressed, western animation is fricked
if it makes you feel any better, independent animation is still thriving super fricking hard, you dont have to look particularly hard to find some good stuff. dont sleep on Newgrounds.
its been fricked for the decade
I got lost in the Jackson Pollock show, the walls were merging with the splatter paintings.
I feel like we have these threads every other week and it usually gets silence until it dies but a mod who doesn’t like art school threads. Can you give us a specific question this time maybe if it’s more Cinemaphile related it wont die. I usually always answer the same thing kinda want something more tailored for everyone.
>never went
The End
>not born in Japan to be a slave of Japanese anime studios and draw bouncy boobs for ¥100 an hour
>not born in America to attend expensive college and end up working on bean-mouth atrocity number 2542
Sonic porn it is...
In a way, Sonic porn is the most sincere and beautiful art there is
i admire artists with amazing skills that end up drawing their weird fetishes because it's their true passion. There is an artist that I follow that could easily work as a concept artist but prefers to draw his fricked vore fetish shit instead, kinda inspiring.
Were all the teachers young and inexperienced morons? or even worse; old and inexperienced and also israeli.