As someone who's worked in an office and worked a trade, working in an office sucks but it's 1000x times better
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As someone who's worked in an office and worked a trade, working in an office sucks but it's 1000x times better
If I was muscular working construction would feel rewarding after a hard day's work and enjoying a late night beer.
But office is definitely better
For a few years, yeah. Then once 30 rolls around and your body starts going to shit because you've been on construction for a decade you'll think fondly of that office job.
Then what's something in between? Any manual labor that doesn't leave you crippled as an old man?
Retail wagie
Look into surveying. There's lot's of different jobs in the construction industry that are not the hard labor part and you will work with less women than in an office sometimes, none. I work in an office but lucky that there are no "girlboss" types working there.
There are plenty of white collar jobs that involve field work such as various biological fields and certain engineering jobs. There's also plenty of unskilled labor that is physical but not back breaking. I worked on a cattle ranch for a year and the hardest thing I ever did physically was carry and tamp big fence poles.
Even so, "destroying your body" with construction is such a meme, the only way this happens is if you're a fat sack of waste-your-paycheck-on-beer shit dead beat dad type that doesn't know how to safely perform work tasks and will be lifting sacks of cement with their back forever because they're too fricking dumb to move up to equipment operator/management. Many such cases.
Likewise the whole women/general office politics making office environments hell is a meme as well. Literally every office I've ever worked at everyone mostly just kept to themselves.
the office I work in is 99% women and they just chit chat sometimes. I join in occasionally too just to shoot the shit about netflix slop or whatever. Its nice, I enjoy my coworkers
My nephew does home automation and AV installation. Think it's all under the category of "low voltage electrical". He seems to like it because he gets to meet people, there's some manual work involved but nothing too physical, and designing systems and troubleshooting them requires some brain power. He's not getting rich off of it but he does ok for himself.
Civl engineering, architecture, etc. Really anything that you may have to "visit a site" just to make sure things are going to plan.
Skilled craftsmanship in a very small or even personally owned business.
You go in, make anywhere from one to a dozen whole products from start to finish over a week, and it involves precision and patience.
Furniture makers
Luthiers
Maybe cobblers
Watchmakers
Stuff you can’t just learn to do in a week, which is 90% of labor.
Billionaire and steroids
Internet installer. The company even pays for all of your certifications.
Church janitor
Auto Mechanic is pretty low impact especially if you're short and have a wider range to position the lift. Bicycle mechanic is max comfy but pays nothing. Machinist/machine operator is low impact but high probability of getting absolutely *wrecked* by working 2nd and 3rd shift until you get seniority.
Lmao bro just fricking mow your lawn and enjoy a cold beer afterwards. Same feeling but without making a career that destroys your body out of it.
For me it's ice cold tea or lemonade. Nothing like mowing the grass, though. My lawn is my greatest enemy and my closest friend.
you wont be muscular very long when you hit the same muscle every day moron
frick i hate normies
>not working out at the job site during your down time
Never gonna make it. Literally every construction job has several hours each day where you're standing around doing nothing.
>enjoying a late night beer
most construction i know of is 8-5 due to noise restrictions so it's more like... a late afternoon / early evening beer... the beaners around where i live flock to the modelo as soon as the day's work is done... then they up with the sun the next manana... you probably have no life experience like most others on here, so just helpin ya out
You're doing it all wrong, the idea is to see how little work you can actually do without getting fired. It's like a game
People in offices miss doing something tangible, a feeling I share, but construction ain’t that. It’s a fast track to destroying your back and/or knees and doesn’t offer good benefits.
I'm union and we all dog it because our production quotas are super low and we don't wanna work ourselves out of a job. I only actually work for about 2 hours a day. Then get fed unlimited double time because project managers can't forecast for shit whatever we all get paid lol.
Based unionbro. Slacking is the highest form of resistance to globohomosexual elites.
I just started a union job for a railroad making $80k/yr before overtime and it's by far the easiest job I've ever had. The amount of actual work I do in a day is embarrassing.
Grats dude. One you get past your 90 day probation you're pretty much untouchable, just don't piss anybody off in the meantime.
Thanks, friend. You're right about the untouchable thing. From what I've heard and seen, as long as you don't show up to work obviously drunk or high it's pretty much impossible to get fired.
>lift heavy things in the gym = body gets better
>lift heavy things at construction site = body gets worse
why?
when you're in the gym, you have the ability to keep your back in proper form at all times. in construction, you do not.
Difference between lifting heavy in an environment where you go at your own pace and should be paying attention to your form for 1-1.5 hours vs the exact opposite environment for 8+ hours a day.
Awkward lifts, not as much time for proper stretching, and over-exertion. God forbid the guy lifting the other end isn’t courteous and rapidly shifts the load back to you.
Form, environment, stress. When you get hurt, everyone blames you. Surely it's not the fact that you're picking up 1500 20kg boxes in 6 hours in a -20 degree Celsius freezer everyday.
Now my body is fricked.
t. former warehouse wagie
>People in offices miss doing something tangible
So take up whittling or something in your spare time. Nobody misses backbreaking labour.
Don’t fall for the tangible meme kids. Just find a cozy office job with lots of benefits and do the bare minimum.
As someone that has worked with women and worked only with men, working with only men is 1000x better.
not having to speak to women is a definite perk, no matter the job. in a work context.
I've in true gynarcy hell offices, and a place where there only one woman, and the one woman made it so much worse than if there were no women.
>me when I'm the only man on my shift and every woman I work with comes to me to vent about the other ones
I can only say Dang That's Crazy so many times.
I love reading about businesses that only employ women going up in flames. Women do not work well together in any environment.
I worked in restaurants (waitresses are the worst hens on the planet) and whenever they came up to me I’d just cut them off, point blank, and say flatly without breaking eye contact “is this gossip?” To which they’d always say “no, I don’t gossip!” And then ask some thin work related half question that segues into gossip, at which point I’d say “stop… that’s gossip” and turn away from them. They never seemed upset for more than 2 seconds. The weird thing is they would keep coming back after I did this several times, at which point I realized it’s just a normal impulse to them to gossip with literally every human face they can find, regardless of context or boundaries.
sounds like you didn't frick in the walk in like everyone else
Coworkers don't really frick each other all the time, r-right?
>be me
>manage a team of 10 people
>all women
>the amount of two-facing and and backstabbing is fricking insane
why the frick do women do this? smile and laugh one minute, talk shit to them the moment they turn their back. fricking hell.
Dang that's crazy.
this is a fricking lie, women are nice to be with and talk, men always complain about everything and don't want to talk and just want to go home, it's fricking annoying
Wow it's almost like there are decent women and catty men, and decent men and catty women.
My bet would actually be on where they were raised. The city teaches you to shit on while bumfrick nowhere teaches you to shovel shit, usually together
Why are you such a gay
You mean homely women are nice to talk to, good looking women are all devil
Just like every other chud fantasy - it’s not based on experience or wisdom.
please enlighten us moron
Working in a office blows but I’d rather do that 80 hours a week than ever go back to pouring concrete or hanging soffit again, shit makes an old man out of you quickly
>No SCRUM
>No story points
>No daily standups
>No kanban
>No tickets
>No project manager
>No open office
>No gender sensitivity training
>No racial sensitivity training
>No Gay Pride month
what a bunch of funking wankers. you fricking Black folk don't know how good you had it.
>No Gay Pride month
also latino, black, and the poorer asian countries
They knew how good they had it, warned us, and history still took its course
none of that shit was a thing when Office Space came out
Yea exactly. Today we're in a world where it's not only social acceptable to say shit like, oh white men are fast-tracked for management and Corporate that's why they succeed it's a boy's club, that sort of sentiment literally is the only accepted opinion. It gets you an elevated status to shit on one group of people.
Black person your reading comprehension is shockingly weak
>no smartphone or other entertainment
Working in a cubicle is hard enough with near-constant access to youtube and e-books. With no entertainment for 6 hours out of the day office work is genuinely soul-devouring.
Books existed back then
I'm a high end trade (47/hr) and I still wish I was in an office. Why? Because you can still frick off and do other things when you aren't working, especially if you're lucky enough to work from home some days
When you're working outside and you always have to get to the shop at 7:00 am, if becomes soul draining knowing there will be multiple hours each day you're not working but there is nothing else you can do. All you're doing is sitting in a truck on your phone or just talking to other dudes. It gets old really fast.
My friends are all office workers, and they are constantly talking in our groupchat to a point that I don't think they ever actually do any work.
This. I was working for some oilfield production company. We would go out to finished producing wells and test them. Would have to occasionally stay im hotels for weeks at a time. Anywho actually physical labor maybe took 1 hour. Other than that we literally sat around and watched a computer screen for the remaining 10 or so hours. Was fricking soul draining though having to get up at 5 AM to get out to a well site by 7 and then just sitting around having to talk people I have nothing in common with all day every day. Then when we finally get back to the hotel around 7 or 8 of course they want to go have dinner. Back to the hotel at 9 to sleep and get to do it all over again the next day
that's the alternate ending
I feel like destroying your body doing construction work is a lie designed to keep people from going into construction work because whenever I see construction workers they are doing frick all
Those are the union guys. The guys actually building things are non-union.
There's a fair few periods of doing nothing while you're waiting on a delivery or something's being done in tight space that only one or two guys can fit in, but that fricking sucks as well because then you're just standing there bored out of your fricking mind. Other days you're going to be working real hard for several hours digging a hole, carrying heavy shit, or contorting your body in awkward ways trying to install something.
nah you construction gays are lying
every construction site I drive past is four guys sitting around watching one guy do all the work, the rest hold a sign or smoke. I assume they just switch off every couple hours. construction is a scam to charge for the work of 10 guys while 9 of them don't do shit
i know an old woman who spent 30 years being a lollipop lady (people who hold the stop and slow signs). managed to get paid senior manager rates for staying with the council so long and due to recent sagety laws she gets provided shade, chair and an extra spotter that pretty much does the job for them.
As I said above, construction is filled with a bunch of lazy dimwits, but the standing around is just a reality of the job. Its a field where you need lots of hands at certain points but you can't just call guys in whenever you specifically need them. Plus, how much time do you sit around and waste at your job? I've only had one job since high school where I was working full days, and that's because just 3 guys were managing a 10000 acre agricultural tract
>managing a 10000 acre agricultural tract
What is that like?
I can only imagine how relaxing and chill being miles from anyone is.
It was cool but unless you're on with a mega landowner or a soulless corporate farm you're going to get paid not much. Small independent farmers are going extinct and have seriously thin profit margins. I only took it because I was hard up for work during covid and I was a friend of the friend of the farmer. Most of those guys only hire from people they know in the community, but the other guy I worked with was a college dropout who just emailed around asking for jobs. We also had occasional help from his dad and the rest of the family, but we were the core.
It may sound a little gay but nothing can replace the memories of just me, the other guy, and the farmer roping beer cans and drinking in the sunset after a 12 hour day. Even though farms aren't as hardy and romantic as they may have been many years ago, there's definitely a bit of magic to working the land and living in the air out in the great plains, away from the smelly hordes in the cities. Especially if your guys are a good bunch.
If cracking open a cold one with the boys is gay then frick me in the ass and call me Freddie.
sounds awesome
>away from the smelly hordes
Hordes of livestock are way more smelly than hordes of normies, I don't believe you ever worked on a farm if it smells better than an office is the main thing you took away from the work.
>charge for the work of 10 guys while 9 of them don't do shit
Oh yeah! Those guys!
>charge for the work of 10 guys while 9 of them don't do shit
that's literally every job
Working construction would be great if you could do 4 hour days for maybe 2 or 3 days a week, with the rest of your time being office work.
Otherwise, doing 10 or 12 hours days of backbreaking labor is just gonna make you tired, sore, miserable, with joint issues by the time you are 40.
Basically, become a foreman. 80% of your work is spent just doing office stuff, with the ability to be outside and get some useful exercise the rest.
What about starting your own construction business?
I imagine this has a lot of the benefits of office work (no knee pain) and of construction work (not being in a totally cucked work environment) ?
running a business seems like an absolute nightmare with all the shit you have to deal with. especially something like construction with approvals and permits and worrying that pedro and his seven amigos are illegals.
The profit makes it worth it, and if you have a sucessful business eventually it can run itself. but the first few years before you get the success are probably hell on earth
It is undeniably better IF you already know the ups and downs of living in a more masculine, liberated environment.
Manual labor takes years to crush your soul by slowly killing your dreams of a better life. Office work crushes it swiftly by making you ask permission to go to the bathroom.
Working is the worst thing I've ever done. The grim necessity to be somewhere at the specific time no matter what was slowly driving me insane.
I don't know why people continue living if they have to work regularly. Life is shit enough even without it.
>lol why do people work?
We can't all get invited to paid dubai vacations.
Life is what you make of it. The mind is in itself a place and can make a hell of heaven or a heaven of hell.
The problem with this meme is not offices are the same.
Some have hell bosses or coworkers, some are chill.
Some are like construction where you have large spans of down time where you have to pretend you are busy, others there is a never ending stream of workloads.
Most everyone everywhere is underpaid or working 80 hours unless you slipped into the right industry at the right time.
I work in construction and while I do like working with my hands, it can get exhausting.
I do make more money than when I worked an office job
I haven’t set foot in an office since 2017. Work from home is the all the benefits of neetdom and wageslavery combined with none of the drawbacks.
That's the joke.
He was still hypnotized, that's the joke.
Office work is for women. Your kid won't respect you and will turn into a troony.
I'm a 25 year old loser with no life direction and no degree. I'm going to go back to trade school to get a welding certificate. I figure, America is a sinking ship, but we will still try to patch its' holes nonetheless. In the coming recession, it will be security. Will I be miserable?
Learn hardware / circuit board repair and shit like that.
this but 24
I actually am 24 too, I turn 25 in December
>America is a sinking ship
You first-worlders are adorable. Literally all my life the only degree of success one could have was moving to the US, or at least to Europe. Always has been, always will be.
You can't even imagine what a sunken ship looks like, kid.
Congrats on being the poorest homosexual here, you want a medal? Kys
Your country is a bigger shithole than mine. And you're bragging this?
>Your country is a bigger shithole than mine. And you're bragging this?
Every country has problems that you can complain about. But it has nothing to do with such ridiculous lack of common sense as to fail to understand you were given a place in what amount to real-life Paradise for the humanity at the moment, just by the privilege of being born in the right place.
"America has problems" - yeah, fair enough.
"America is a sinking ship" - get a reality check, you pampered twat.
Just Because you are shipwrecked and pointing at America, doesn’t mean the people on the boat can see the hull lowering
America is a sinking ship. Has been since 9/11. The Titanic took hours to sink, and the band kept playing the whole time. You could probably still go to a dining hall and have a meal. The ship sank nonetheless. Yeah, at least we have a ship. Doesn't change what I said. Now is the time of China.
we know that, we just have to invent reasons to b***h and complain. "first world problems"
There's a reason the US takes in more immigrants every year than any other country on earth, and some people who were born here are too stupid to realize it.
America is rigged threee cup Monty, everyone thinks they are going to pick the winning cup, but it’s rigged, there is no winning cup unless you own the cups, and the table, and the ball and the game operator
I work a moronic job as basically an electrician and I definitely vastly prefer the days I'm just ordering parts and answering emails to the days I'm busting my ass doing wiring and installations and other bullshit on my hands and knees crippling myself as a 30 something year old uneducated man. Best its even better because the mechanics where I work have it way worse but everoyne is so braindead that even operating circuit breakers is beyond them so when one trips I can claim I fixed something by resetting the breaker lol.
I make nearly 100k a year doing this shit. All I did today was pretend to stare at a ventilation shaft and then order a replacement thermostat thats probably been broken for 15 years.
I've worked in trades and in offices too.
In trades you're twice as likely to have a complete moron for a supervisor or boss.
i am a computer science student, but an uncle wants to teach me the AC technician ways
i am gonna have the best of both worlds and all i had to do was to show interest and talk about protoboard stuff
I have a cozy security job that pays the bills, it's light maintanence work but I get to spend like 3-4 hours just playing runescape and watching star trek most days.
Thinking of getting into elevator repair, those guys make big bucks. WFH seems nice, but poor job security. Also, every man I've met who does computer work all day seems like a huge pussy.
its about variety innit? someone who has spent years cooped up in a tiny cubicle would find the open air refreshing. likewise, if youve spent a lot of time doing backbreaking manual labor, wearing your joints to shit, a cushy office job would be a nice break.
>someone who has spent years cooped up in a tiny cubicle would find the open air refreshing
No it's a moronic gay fantasy from homosexuals who never did manual labor but romanticize the idea. Construction isn't all bad but it's not something you do as a getaway. We had an extremely high washout rate at my old job as construction material tech because people thought it would be easy. It is easy, really easy, but it requires a lot of long and inconvenient hours without supervision so you need discipline and work ethics. So not a slacker job.
I went full moron and left my desk job in electronics QC to join the army because I wanted to be more physical. It was cool but holy shit your body will suffer. Had some total gay with a masters in history in my platoon trying to be a soldier and it was just sad watching him fail at everything because he thought it would be easy.
My desk job dried up for a spell so I went to CCC in Indianapolis, got my CDL-A and drove for Schneider for a half year until the job came back. Driving wasn't hard to learn and I did just fine, after two weeks with a trainer. He thought I was an idiot and always asked me wtf I was doing in that job when I could be making money in an easy desk job. He was right.
These days anyone not in office work is a complete sucker. Working from home has changed everything.
Redefine the work place.
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it's the blue collar bullshit that Hollywood peddles. The one that got it right was Good Will Hunting. His buddy wished every day that he would come by to pick him up and he wouldn't be there because he was using his brain in a great job somewhere.
Blue collar is for dumb guys to work their asses off until they die. Trying to sell that as a good thing is bullshit.
That movie honestly made me reconsider Affleck, that maybe he wasn't totally soulless. He very clearly despises that kind of shitty moron fantasy.
>it's the blue collar bullshit that Hollywood peddles.
What movies peddle blue collar work? The original ending has him approached by the foreman who acts exactly like Lumbergh. They only changed it because they wanted to end it on a positive note. The overarching message is "work sucks."
Simple, the guys who complain about construction have never lifted a weight in their life. They think if it's unskilled labor then anyone can do it, but the catch is you're responsible for your own health and safety. Which requires being fit and having an active lifestyle to begin with.
your body wont feel that way forever
I became an alcoholic because of the office work. Also worked a trade and yeah, office is better overall, but I just cannot deal with all the moronation at offices mentally. All the incompetence that is spreading around like cancer and you just have to sit there and watch and if you want to change it, you would have to put 400% effort and also deal with ass kissing and backstabbing at the same time. So you'll end up not doing much against it and just endure it while slowly get worse and worse.
I'm about to move into security I can't hang with 30yr old office b***hes I rather hang with bros and manage their schedules.
If been there too once, it can also be as bad. Lot's of backstabbing too, everyone talks shit about anyone as long as he isn't in the room. Only thing with men only workplace that it is better is if there is a good boss who can keep everyone in place. Which wouldn't work with women because they just start crying all the time.
The only thing that matters is iq. Throw a bunch of random spaghetti at the wall and more women are likely to be lower iq, because the decent iq men would be working a trade, and women are lower overall.
It really doesn’t apply if you are in a field with a gatekeeper, like a regulated industry that reduces a hard degree.
Never let shit talking get to you and just assume people are gonna do it regardless. Also if you think you have a rat make up fake bullshit stories about yourself and others than can be verified false by management and they will usually cut that shit out.
I've worked in trades and office jobs and is fairly true. In the trades you're around a bunch of clowns but you're physically active and making lewd jokes all day. When you first move to an office job the first thing you notice is that people don't have shit to do all day so they entertain themselves by playing endless mind games on one another. Then you realize that you have to become a part of that game if you have any hopes of moving up.
idgi what happens if you just go into the office and do your job and go home
You cruise through life never rising above that station. Might be ok when you're young and have lower costs of living and lower aspirations but eventually you want/need more. Even when applying for other jobs one of the things that HR software looks for is how long you were in non-supervisory positions without moving up, how many projects you've managed, etc. For some people they don't care but knowing how to play the game gets you places and there are lots of people that can do it just by talking.
man i hate living sometimes. eight hour shift, 2 hours of work, gotta frick around to fill in the other shit or you dont get promoted? ridiculous, like a circus.
It can be frustrating if you're someone that likes to keep to themselves but in a way it's liberating as
summed it up. You don't necessarily have to frick with people but becoming social with the right people can take you places. Office people like working with people that they like, not just who can do the job. That's why everyone tells you networking is so important.
Everyone technically has something to do. I'm saying it's like for some people their job isn't stimulating enough so they look for ways to flex. "Nothing to do" or nothing better to do is a figure of speech.
> don't have shit to do all day
I hate this meme. I leave at the end of the day Because I run out of hours in the day, not Because I ran out of work. Also I’m high hourly and overtime is pre approved and I could work endless overtime but I refuse to fall into that trap.
>Then you realize that you have to become a part of that game if you have any hopes of moving up.
At my job you have to stand in front of the entrance after 5am and just talk with the bosses. Even better if you smoked and stand there while everyone isn't working. Then you just small talk with bosses about company stuff and over time get more friendly. Pass some "ideas" once in a while and over time you get higher. Guys who done the same but inside at the job, without the socializing, never went far.
most of my co-workers are women, i hate them so much it's unreal
No, it's not. I work as an electrician and I would rather crawl around on the office floor running cables than sit and work at one of those miserable fricking offices. Meetings, emails, bullshit chit chat, photos and memes posed on their cubicle wall, more meetings, public transport into the city, being fake polite to everyone. Frick all that. I roll into the loading dock, do my dirty work, shoot the shit with security and building managers, have a coffee and lunch in my car then frick off to the next one. And get paid great for doing so.
As I'm getting older I realize I'd rather just not work at all. Currently I do manual labor and the pay is decent, and I think about doing office work, but then I'd be stuck somewhere else for eight hours when I'd rather be at home doing one of a million other things I'm much more interested in. Wish I was born rich.
Office cucks crying about how manual labor breaks your body as they sit all day and eat chips and candy from the vending machines.