Holy frick get rid of Zeb Wells... Now even Felicia is out of character apart from already being nonexistent from the get-go >going through the motions
Fricker can't even write a good reason
I honestly don't even know if it's Wells. This entire run has been very Slottian to the point where I'm wondering if Lowe isn't basically telling Wells what to write with a little leeway i.e. break up and kill the Pete/MJ relationship in whatever way Wells wants. You have long time characters being shat on, toyetic suits, plots that go nowhere, stories that seem to go out of their way to insult readers (900 or the recent Ock story), deaths of characters who barely featured in the book, and now revolving door LIs. Frick, Peter even has a lab job.
Lowe came in during Superior and I get the feeling that his view of what Spider-Man should be is what Slott was doing. He hated what Spencer tried to do and Wells is way more compliant and doesn't give a shit (likely because he makes more writing for the MCU shows and movies). A lot of this run feels OOC for Wells who was an otherwise good writer but it does feel like the back half of Slott's run which makes me think that Lowe is exercising a lot of power over what's happening.
>yes but its a last ditch hand hold, theyre facing away and far away
No it's not they are dealing with the loss of their children in their own way. it's obvious they love each other.
theres a turn inward and turn outward. theyre turned outward. its a last ditch show affection but ultimately the one thing keeping them together is GONE.
Oh this truly pathetic MJ gays just can't cope with the fact that MJ and Paul are a couple you truly are morons
9 months ago
Anonymous
>He thinks MJgays hate Paul
No one and Im positive not even writers after Wells will give two cents about Paul
9 months ago
Anonymous
>No one and Im positive not even writers after Wells will give two cents about Paul
And yet they showed in him bed with MJ oh yes you can tell that the writers don't give a shit about him this way. You people truly are idiots.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>AFTER Wells
I dont even need to bet its a fact that Pauls gonna get drop like a rock when this run is over especially with all the flack this run gets.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Watch him get offed by someone and it drives MJ back to Peter... He's basically a kid that was aged up by that universe.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah you can tell it's already happening right now, Mary Jane and him don't even talk to each other.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Might be cope I think the annual hinted that more than this backup. Expect probably announcement at NYCC
9 months ago
Anonymous
well they already announced Spider-man Reign 2 and the promo is the scene where Spidey is carrying dead Maryjane so expect synergy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
and yet we have the rips showing that the spider is Resurrected Mary Jane, and Peter is Dead
9 months ago
Anonymous
ooo where at
9 months ago
Anonymous
check the reign thread, there will be a teaser once ASM31 hits Fisk is a large super mutant now, and he ate the previous mayor Peter is Dead, the Spider there is mary jane who somewhat ressurrected herself, possibly the same way as peter after morlun
9 months ago
Anonymous
Peter is the resurrected one. Seems he's hallucinating MJ
9 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like many of the things that were going to be discussed at SDCC, like the Ultimate Universe, got pushed to NYCC
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah you can tell it's already happening right now, Mary Jane and him don't even talk to each other.
This is spam moron they do talk with each other and they do frick now frick off.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That won't happen because marvel want to shit on Peter's life hard. You think a better writer will come along after Wells run is over. You are wrong the next writer will be just as bad and he will also crap on Peter's life.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Good or bad, NO one is using Paul come the next run
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lol you underestimate marvel's stupidity they will keep him with MJ in order to make fans seethe. Since they love bad stories, Paul is not going away anytime soon you can be sure of that
9 months ago
Anonymous
just have peter beating her so badly that he gets painted as worse than hitler during the climax of gang wars and he going full BatKek and taking over the gangs of NY
9 months ago
Anonymous
>He thinks MJgays hate Paul
No one and Im positive not even writers after Wells will give two cents about Paul
Paul is nothing more than a vehicle to impose a sticking change, but they already backed out by making the kids vanish. Clearly the backlash is having its effect and this is their emergency exit.
Zeb Wel..er...Paul will be gone once a new writer is in place. Based on Marvel sales I expect that change to happen soon. The alt covers thing is only going to carry them for so long now that the speculators are starting to exit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Brevoort was still defending this run using "muh sales" as an excuse, so I assume that unfortunately Marvel aren't gonna force Wells/Lowe out until the sales go down. Have they actually started dropping yet, or is ASM still doing inexplicably well?
9 months ago
Anonymous
That is because not even the covers are selling this shit, and they know the comics department is next on the guillotine.
9 months ago
Anonymous
the covers were selling in the last 2-3 years but now that the speculators have moved onto the next big thing and are buying less, we are stuck with the bloat. They called Marvel's bluff and won. How can you tell? Just look at comic prices in 3rd party. Comic dealers are starting to drop prices hard.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Really is there a speculator bubble deflating rn.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Secret Wars 8 was like 1000 bucks at the beginning of this year. I just bought a double signed one for less than 300. People are getting out in a hurry. I know same thing is happening in Action figures too. Good luck to the POP market lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
but honestly I dont care if the bottom falls out, I collect for the love of the books not the value. People who are "INVESTING" in comics outside of Amazing Fantasy are idiots.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah icv2 already reported that sales are slumping now
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/54696/comic-sales-lag-weak-spring > a collectors crash if significant will definetly cut into the margins peob why why have this exclusive d1:100 variants stuff rn.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You can blame Heritage and CGC 100%. Marvel just followed along to try to ride the wave. I know I warned them some time ago about it and it fell on deaf ears.
People are grading comics and not reading them. Theyre relying on speculators to say what books are keys. Theyre spending a fortune on duplicates to grade them be it diff cover or multiples. Theyre thriving hard on Venom and Spidey collectors who grade because theyre a ripe crop to keep messing with, Heritage tried to sell the original page of Secret Wars 8 for 1 mil, but didnt tell anyone it was shell bidders or just sold back to themselves at a higher price to try to pump the value of all original comic art. Jim Halperin was charged by FBI with fraud for same crap with the coin market. He's been doing it in Comics and Video games. Now we see people grading Video Tapes and action figures... but lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
You knew the ride was over as soon as the CGC CEO "retired' this year. Next guy will be holding the bag when everyone realizes they got played,
9 months ago
Anonymous
You can blame Heritage and CGC 100%. Marvel just followed along to try to ride the wave. I know I warned them some time ago about it and it fell on deaf ears.
People are grading comics and not reading them. Theyre relying on speculators to say what books are keys. Theyre spending a fortune on duplicates to grade them be it diff cover or multiples. Theyre thriving hard on Venom and Spidey collectors who grade because theyre a ripe crop to keep messing with, Heritage tried to sell the original page of Secret Wars 8 for 1 mil, but didnt tell anyone it was shell bidders or just sold back to themselves at a higher price to try to pump the value of all original comic art. Jim Halperin was charged by FBI with fraud for same crap with the coin market. He's been doing it in Comics and Video games. Now we see people grading Video Tapes and action figures... but lol
CGC has been a scam for decades and collectors and companies keep falling for it
Doesn't matter anon MJ having fricked Paul will always remain canon all the same. She will be knows as a cheater forever there is no coming back from this.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't matter anon MJ having fricked Paul will always remain canon all the same
Don't erase Paul's asexuality shitlord.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh they fricked anon that's for sure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
was she a cheater though? They were in the process of talking about getting back together, and then glowing guy showed up.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What happend then no longer matters since MJ and paul did become a couple later.
9 months ago
Anonymous
These comments are always dumb since we know Paul shit don’t work from #25, but honestly it just tells me editorial plans on keeping them together so they’re trying to appease PeterMJ bros by saying “see you guys were b***hing about that and not anything else”
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Paul shit don’t work from #25
Stop pushing your headcanon as 100 % fact. No one even said that on page. This "platonic" shit never existed outside of your head.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not saying it’s platonic since it very much looks like they’re in a relationship, just that Marvel tried to calm us down by saying it’s not physical and we are pissed off with the way they broke them up
Feliciagays saw what happened to MJ. They thought that won't happen to them? At least Cat didn't cucked him like MJ. So that's already a win in my book
That story of hers was set before they were official. There was an editor's note at the start of that page. Still, though, pretty shitty timing. What I suspect is that the story was actually set during their official relationship and the breakup was already in the works.
>Feliciagays saw what happened to MJ. They thought that won't happen to them?
A lot of Black Cat and Gwen fans managed to convince themselves Marvel's issue wasn't with Spider-Man being married, just with him being married to MJ. If nothing else this issue should bring some of those people back to reality.
>Peter Parker is the only character I've seen simultaneously attract multiple beautiful women like a chad
When good writers wrote him >then get cucked like a simp
When morons like Wells write him.
Hyped his wedding
Didio said "no" and canceled it
Bruce and Selina got unofficially married afterwards
Editorial said "no" and had Tynion write them as going on a break
Tini Howard took over the Catwoman book and had Selina sleep with a murdering creep just to kill him off next issue
Now there's a Gotham War event between Bruce/Selina involving the Batfamily fighting each other
This is the same run that had Kamala join the ASM cast, do next to nothing for a year, then die so that she could be resurrected in the X-Men books two months later.
Magic kids made from some bullshit, then they disappeared and now they’re trying to justify why MJ stays with Paul since the only thing that they had was the magic kids. Honestly you’re better off just not paying any attention to this shit, the next writer is going to ignore it anyway.
I made the mistake of reading it. What in the frick was that. None of that made any sense whatsoever. Also black cat was barely in these issues to establish a relationship. This shit is all over the place
They are sleeping in opposite sides of the bed. None of the pages show them happy togheter mj needing to be a superhero to cope. Yeah it's not lasting lol
Oh I gave up making it make sense the moment Peter was like OH NO I CANT EXPLAIN I MUST HURRY and then proceeded to paint his one use Spider-armor thingy with the red and blues
>MJgays upset because she's cucking Peter >Petergays upset because the run's running him through the wringer >Feliciagays upset that she broke up with Peter >Jamesongays upset because of Wells' moronic plot about him making Ock's tentacles his dog >Bengays upset because Wells ruined his character >Kafkagays upset because Wells ruined her character >Kingsleygays upset that Wells made him Kafka's lackey >Kamalagays upset because they faked her death for no reason other than to make her a mutant
Does this run appeal to anyone?
UWU GUD BOI Norman is fricking awful and I hate cartoonishly evil Norman as well.
Stern's Revenge of the Green Goblin is my perfect Norman. Humanized enough to not be a complete caricature but still a piece of shit.
There was one time he wrote Venom and Black Cat and she was like WHO ARE YOU and forgot Venom beat the crap out of her [as [...] refers or that she Spidey and Venom helped against Carnage during Maximum Carnage]. Wells is the worst.
They need editors who do their job. What's Jimmy Shooter up to nowadays?
This is the only run I can think of in my lifetime where I have not seen a single bit of genuine praise from anyone anywhere, online or in real life. Even at its most moronic, Slott's run had its die-hard fans, I haven't met a single person who thinks anything about this run isn't fricking dogshit.
If something due the success of Across the Spiderverse movie they will make Gwen/Miles canon in comics to hang on the popularity of the movie and lure some fans.
It was done during the Bendis one & every one hated it. Or else we would have known more about Earth-8, or at least someone there helping the other spiders during the other Spider-Verse events. They never showed & no one cared. & with BTSV delayed that popularity will slowly die off until its release. Then it'll die off again afterwards. & it's Sony's business, & Marvel ain't gonna make the pairing canon just for the Spider-Verse movies, because they would have to hook up for some unexplained reasons, & then break up afterwards. Which will make everything up to that point useless. & Miles already has his own love interest, & one of them is Tiana Toomes, which he'sin a relationship with currently. He's not gonna break her up just for Gwen. That would be a dumb thing to do, & it would be something Peter would do, which Miles is not Peter. & Gwen is now more older than Miles, as her reality aged her more abit. The age gap between them won't make it possible, & she's seeing someone
Gwen Stacy is trans now thanks to Twitter. Peter getting fricked by Gwen would be gay.
Gwen Stacy is not trans, & the only ones who believed that are those that are disillusioned based on that one shot of that Trans flag & latched onto it, or deranged Spider-Verse fans that keeps spewing daily nonsense & think their views mattered more than others
Spider-Gwen was never Miles's woman. Especially with how the comic went with them. Besides, this ain't some Spider-Verse nonsense
Spider-Gwen right now in the comics is an adult in her 20's. Thanks to her reality, Spider-Gwen has aged much quicker now. So there would be a moment in the comics were Gwen will be nearly or the same age as Peter when they'll meet again
Bendis was the only one trying to make that into a thing, no one else liked it, no one followed up on it in any of the other books, and once Bendis was gone it was quickly swept under the rug. Not even the movies have led to this pairing being made into a real thing.
I'm tired of Spider-Man being about relationships when can get a run that's just Parker living a regular single life with stories about him and his villains like Paul Jenkins run and Tangled Web.
On the scans of the leaked pages, right before MJ's story and after Peter and Felicia's break, I can see some pictures about Doc Ock. Maybe is related to that?
>Reign 2
What is there to tell since the original story tied up nicely? Unless it's going to be set in the past with Peter dealing with MJ slowly dying?
"Dan Buckley is a name that most fans in and around the industry don’t really know. That’s because, even moreso than the editorial staff, Dan isn’t front-facing. His name is in books but he’s not a presence there or on the convention trail or giving interviews in the manner that most of the rest of us are. But Dan oversees the entirety of Marvel’s publishing operations among many other things, and he’s truly excellent at his job. A little bit of it is maybe some game-recognizes-game, but Buckley’s ability to read people and analyze and understand their motivations and what drives them is uncannily keen. It’s similar enough to the skills that I often use to convince people—creators or other editors or whoever—to do whatever I need to get done, so I can recognize the ability in use, even when it’s being turned upon me. So I wound up having a meeting with Dan this week, one in which he told me he was going to ask me to do something that I wasn’t going to want to do, and then proceeded through a combination of need, flattery, genuine admiration, duty and responsibility to get me to agree to take on the specific mission that he was hoping to entice me into. Seriously, I know something about pitching an idea to people, and this was like watching a world class hurler throw a perfect game"
At least Slott's run is short, and the Spiderverse story in it was basically ignored by everybody. Zeb is still going on until least #59. Also, at least Slott tried to fix Mayday's story, so that's one positive even if it's the only one.
Not entirely since he shared the title with other people during BND, but Slott is proud of the fact that he's written more issues of Amazing Spider-Man than any other writer.
I mean the recent run. But also at least with the ten years of Slott, he tried things. They weren't good, but he tried, also he did end with Go Out Swinging and that final issue, because #801 showed what Spidey meant at the end of the day, and why he does what he does.
Ok, yeah that was a stupid thing to say. But to me, the problem is how long it took before it became clear they fricked up. I didn't read Slott's run while it was happening, but I think it took until Superior when people wanted him to leave, and that was like 5 years in. Zeb got told to frick off straight away. So in terms of how long until they got told to f-off, Zeb wins for being told immediately.
No, seriously, yeah, I'll say he tried different things. No hate on that. But he has a long line of bastardization. Ben, romantic interests (funnily enough, I have a soft spot for Anna), killing Flash off, poor writing of SpOck (I always felt other writers wrote SpOck better), bastardization of Cat, Norman getting away at the end of Superior, the weird euphoric nature he approached Spider-Verse.
I agree, but could you elaborate on the nature of spiderverse to you?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Going back to his tweets, various comments here and there, it was pretty apparent he enjoyed killing off some iconic Spider-Men.
While I'm at it, I thought his Cindy Moon was fetish fantasy, Bobbi Morse was a terrible idea.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I remember when it was implied with the recent spiderverse story that the Spider-Boy from the Amalgam Universe was killed, but then Slott tried to say that due to spider people getting revived, he could've. I can actually find it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Here it is.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's all fine and dandy. It's obscure enough that no other writer really brought up Spider-Verse in that context. Damage was done, though. The spat over Mayday didn't shine a nice light on him.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Could we get a recap of what he did with Mayday? I need to remember so I can curse his name later.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>All the girls are lost to him >Forever disrespected >Forever static
I hate how most of Marvel (editorial included) hates Peter. This is unjust. Peter deserves to have a life of his own.
Dear Diary.
For once Slott said something that is actually good.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They don’t hate him. They just simply believe that controversial stories will boost sales, just like Hydra Cap.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then they are horribly wrong since it's very, very short-sighted
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not the ones killed by other Inheritors then
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to shit on what Slott is currently writing. I reverse my opinion of it until the work is done. But ... I don't think the idea of Spider-Boy is stupid inheritably, but saying the boy existed the entire time is stupid writing. The safe and obvious loophole will end up being that Spider-Boy is remembering another Pete from another dimension. If Slott had the balls to double-down, he should have made Spider-Boy a pre-OMD character and remember everything, including Pete and MJ's marriage.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't Dan gonna get married soon? Maybe he can now see why people are still mad about OMD
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well, congrats to him, then. Is he marrying an Asian woman? I'm curious because who know why that was written. I wonder if Spider-Boy following that same thread.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Maybe he can now see why people are still mad about OMD
Hell no. He's not gonna give a damn about it. OMD is still canon regardless. Peter & MJ are never getting back together
marvel only shits on white men
we never see competent or heroic depictions of white men
every story is about how they suck and how women and blacks are better then them
Seriously how fricking moronic do you have to be to expect ANYTHING remotely like story developments in capeshit? Like, superheroes are gay as a concept, sure, but at least the weeb ones actually have stories that evolve and change. Whereas Spider-Man has remained EXACTLY the fricking same as the 60s. And every time there is a change to the comic, two issues later, it's back to what it was before. Like why would you expect any different? Holy shit you guys are fricking moronic.
>Whereas Spider-Man has remained EXACTLY the fricking same as the 60s
No it hasn't. Spider-Man is not a kid in high school or a kid in college selling photos to Jameson and worrying about his sick aunt and juggling multiple love interests.
Motherfricker, that's a bald-faced lie and you know it. He's still working for the Bugle, or was the last time I bothered reading a comic. Only recently did he break up with MJ and this Felicia thing happened and then got gone. I guess he's a scientist now, but that'll get retgone too in a year. But the point is, his stories and his interactions are still exactly the same.
>He's still working for the Bugle, or was the last time I bothered reading a comic.
Slott ended his run by having him work for the Bugle and Spencer immediately fired him. He hasn't been a photographer since BND when he got caught got photoshopping and was blacklisted. >Only recently did he break up with MJ and this Felicia thing happened and then got gone.
MJ broke up with him. Peter hasn't been involved in a love triangle in a long time.
Marvel was going to have her go do bi girl things on every Pride month every year. There's no way they would keep her with him. Face it, your faith was put in the marvel bicycle. Every pride month they'll roll her out. The only way it would ever work is if it was Her, Peter, and MJ together but that would scare super normies and bring the righties out complaining about grooming.
This. It goes to prove that being outed as part of the alphabet gang is a death sentence for a character. It doesn't matter if they say the character is bi. They only want characters to be full gay forever but are too pussies to label them as such.
Turning Spidey into the token poly representation book is unironically the best thing Marvel could possibly do at this point to break out of this moronic cycle of having every character act like a moronic homosexual every few issues so they can shuffle around who's fricking who.
Just make b***hes love Spider-Man canon, and let MJ and Felicia frick while you're at it. You could even throw Johnny Storm into the mix and go whole hog, most people wouldn't give a shit at this point, it'd be better than the moronic shit DC did with Jon and Tim.
At this point every time a new writer or editor who isn't happy that Peter's not with his personal best girl comes on the book, we get some moronic plot development to frick up the current relationship so they can set up the thing they want.
If they were just given free reign to say "yeah he's fricking so-and-so, and everyone is cool with it because that's their thing now" we could at least just skip the moronic plot developments used to break him up with whoever he's with at the time. How would that be worse than the shit we're getting right now?
He's responsible for the best and worst part of marvel. The 'event'.
He created Secret Wars to help Mattel sell toys and it bit us all because we love events.
It shows the bigger universe but at the expense of good contained stories. Chris Claremont hated that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why did Claremont hate it?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because he couldnt give a good story room to breath, he would have to ramp up and ramp down from events.
People are buying for the cool variant covers..they arent buying for story. Theyre grading them before they even read them because theyre morons.
I know me I've been buying the Venom THE OTHER series of covers because I like them for my spinner [I dont do that grading bull]. My comic shop still has ASM first prints 25 rotting.
I just wanted people to know I am matt ratt and I made the MJ and Felicia heel turn rumors because it's hilarious watching all of the internet squirm
You're welcome
Well this was a waste of time. What was even the point of getting them back together just to break them up not even a year later? She’s not just a casual love interest like his other short flings, she’s one of his major loves. What a waste
yeah but for Felicia everything must be new and exciting and risky. She got what she wanted now she dont want it anymore. Now she chases Marvel's next voices prospect for 2024.
It wasn't written this way. She noticed Peter was off and wasn't doing what he normally does when they were in a relationship. Not like she did either. And they pulled a reversal on Felicia wanting to have something serious but Peter was mentally checked out dealing with other things.
Does Paul even have a last name yet? What a nothing character. Has he interacted with many of the other Spider cast? Does he have relationships with Jonah and Flash and Betty and May? Is there any one in Peter’s non-costume life that Paul has spent page time with except MJ and Felicia? Has there been any scenes with him and other villains aside from the one he’s linked to?
What even is this character except “the guy MJ chose over Peter”? He doesn’t add to any other dynamic in the book.
just make them parody versions >this isn't Black Cat this is uhh Dark Feline >this isn't Gwen Stacy this is Stacy Gwenson >this isn't Mary Jane this is Mari Jannet
Well so far he's gone from the "normal person" LI (MJ) and the superhero LI (Felicia) so going by how Slottian the rest of this run has been, it's going to be a female scientist working for Oscorp. Maybe they'll bring back Sajani.
There was an issue from Civil War about Black Cat reflecting on Peter revealing his identity to the world. Felicia acknowledges that she doesn't just love him for being Spider-Man for being Spider-Man but also loves Peter, and for being a nice guy. Why revert that, again? The whole point of her character development was that Peter did succeed in making her a better person, and that she doesn't want to corrupt him anymore.
Well, Peter has only been made into a sad loser so far - he hasn't yet, say, made a deal with the devil in this run. So I think there are still ways to take him lower!
Yeah a lot of his shit he stated wouldn't be for long term. Just didn't expect black cat to be this short term.
9 months ago
Anonymous
How much of this was planned? It seems he was just blowing raspberries while writing and not thinking. I believe that Kamala's death was an order from on high to make people see it, because it would've probably gotten crickets anywhere else. And I also have to assume where everything is leading to, given how some of the things set up in Timeless is only now happening.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Idk I guess he wanted to do certain arcs and wanted characters who didn't pertain to that out of the way for year 1 and 2. I wouldn't be suprised if post gang wars it's just arcs of him cleaning up and ending most of these storylines.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I saw a theory from an anon once about how he could be trying to see how far editorial will let him go before telling him no, but at this point, I doubt it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is the guy who thought it was a good idea to have the Lizard eat his own kid
Do we really need to elaborate theories as to why his story ideas are shit?
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is the guy who thought it was a good idea to have the Lizard eat his own kid
Do we really need to elaborate theories as to why his story ideas are shit?
Wells is a yes man. He's taking his marching orders from Lowe. ASM is going to be shit until that clown is off the book, which is never because ASM can have literal shit inside its pages and idiots will still buy it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>ASM can have literal shit inside the pages and idiots will still buy it
Anyways did you guys hear about Spider-Man Reign getting a sequel? That sure sounds exciting and it will be dirt cheap!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't Reign just okay, and it's just the radioactive spider cum scene that makes it 'notorious'? Maybe it's just Marvel wanting to do something. They could bring Defalco and Frenz back to do Spider-Girl, given how Defalco is writing Battleworld, but maybe they decided to go with the controversial option that isn't OMD.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I think defalco said something about him not being able to do it, b/c they would want a women writer on spidergirl.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nah it was Frenz saying that he doesn't think it's likely they'll get to do it again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was just saying the other day that I liked Reign. Always wanted a sequel, but was/am afraid how they would handle it.
Isn't Reign just okay, and it's just the radioactive spider cum scene that makes it 'notorious'? Maybe it's just Marvel wanting to do something. They could bring Defalco and Frenz back to do Spider-Girl, given how Defalco is writing Battleworld, but maybe they decided to go with the controversial option that isn't OMD.
It was well received. The "notorious" BS is just a tagline that those idiots at Editorial thought was cute. I liked the story because he put an interesting spin on the Venom symbiote/Pete dynamic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
These quints don't lie. Spider bros are cursed with an endless amount of shitty writer's thinking they're subverting the status quo while repeating the shit we've seen before again and again but worse. I'm fully expecting an aged down asian MJ soon for Slott's Spider-Boy which Cinemaphile and twitter pedos are going to celebrate
Someone at Marvel didn't want Peter to be a single loser crying over the woman who left him for the entire run. So they gave him a girlfriend so he wouldn't be that, only Wells had 0 interest in writing it. Now that MJ is on her way to being available again, don't need Felicia anymore.
>Why revert that, again? The whole point of her character development was that Peter did succeed in making her a better person
100% serious here once Felicia and Peter would be together again there is literally no reason why they should break up at this point. The writing is so bad right now they just handwave them breaking up even though it makes no sense for either of them to do so. Heck the run before even showed you how much Felicia loves Peter. Hack writing just all around. No one gives a shit about these love triangles anymore. The majority of people wanna see either Peter and MJ or Peter and Black Cat.
since this is the spidey thread I guess, they made the Spider-Woman tie-in mini for Gang War into an ongoing now >https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/spider-woman-solo-series-2023-steve-foxe-carola-borelli
wonder if it will last longer than Pacheco/Perez run
also >Fans can discover more about what kicks off Jessica’s dramatic new journey in a special preview in tomorrow’s AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31!
>Goblin Queen and Kraven bang no fricking joke
Wonderful now are now lowe and wells are out to ruin Kraven. What will they think of next oh I know we find out he also made a deal with Mephisto,
Well with all the other girls gone, I guess it's time for Peter to find Debbie, abuse her again, and then take advantage of her schizophrenia some more.
Yes and that was because, she was getting fooled by people who wanted to see peter dead, in fact one of mephisto's ploys.
She later beg sorry for him and the story wasn't published, though it was erased after OMD.
This is worse, easily >Came after Spencer's run which, while not perfect, took a lot of steps to try and fix a lot of shit that went wrong during BND and Slott's run >Undid all of that, mystery box to break up Peter and MJ and shit over everything that happened that run >Peter is a drop out again >A bunch of heroes hated him for a while >Peter literally loses every fight he gets in >He's almost never responsible for the ending to an arc, always gets bailed out or saved >Dark Web is legitimately the worst Spider-Man "event" ever made >900 is the single worst milestone issue >Basically every character is out of character >JRJR is at an all time low for art
It's awful, at least with BND you might get one decent issue here and there
Worse is that JRJoonya is hating every single moment of it.
Same shit happening to Batman, Zdarsky ruined Bruce worse than King And now Catwoman declared war at him and unironically both gang stories at DC and marvel will share the same run period
>Batman is now poor because he killed the penguin >Alfred is dead >He broke with Catwoman and even Diana >League hates him >Having issues with his bat family >Had to deal with a AI contingency plan that almost killed him and made the league look him dirt. >Had to deal with a Villian who was reviving and infecting all jokers in the "Batverse" that also includes '66, burtonverse and so on, all are back and 66 joker is now a bloodthirsty maniac as silver age. >Lost his right hand in process and left him even more paranoid, DKR Batman build a new hand for him, only Mr Terrific knows what happened. >Had the Joker lose his right eye to Harley, who is now batsy's little girl, joker now looks like punished Joker, a clown who can't kek. >Now catwoman hates batman and is declaring war at him because of the batverse shenanigans, where it was a villain catwoman who was the one who brought him to the trap where he lost his hand, thus Gotham Crime Wars rehash again. >And no one, not even barbara of the bat family knows that he is missing one of his hands, and he is wearing gloves and his suit all time like a madman, and now he is paranoid over his own family.
If Peter really wants to be with someone he can always get back together with Cindy Moon. I mean her only purpose is to be Peter's lover and personal cum dumpster. lmao
Well he's doing so many great and interesting things so who can blame him. You can't devote any time to building out characters or establishing something that might bring some semblance of joy to the book.
I think this is genuinely the darkest age for Spider-Man we've ever had. The worst part being that normies are fully on board with half of why it's so shit
its BND part two only now even the normies hate this shit with a passion
how Spider-man editorial still goes on like this without someone stepping in is beyond me
9 months ago
Anonymous
At least during BND we had Spectacular Spider-Man for something decent. Now we have spider-verse slop
9 months ago
Anonymous
We have the Secret Wars mini in November to look forward to, written by DeFalco and drawn by Pat Oliffe, so that's got to count for something.
its BND part two only now even the normies hate this shit with a passion
how Spider-man editorial still goes on like this without someone stepping in is beyond me
Havent read a lot of this, but it cant be worse than BND. BND came after one of the strongest runs on ASM, shat on it, and proceeded to introduce shit villains and friends. Carlie, Michelle, Latino Cop, Liliy(GoblinCucker), Paperdoll, Freak, Vulture 25, Kraven child, etc. Brought back Harry... and it ignorerd the classic villains for most of it. The only thing that has been slavaged from tjat shitshow was Mr Negative (thanks to Insomniac) and maybe Anti-Venom.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Mr Negative (thanks to Insomniac) and maybe Anti-Venom
Both are garbage characters. Mr Negative was an absolute bore in the Insomniac game only serving as an appetizer to the villains people actually wanna see.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is worse, easily >Came after Spencer's run which, while not perfect, took a lot of steps to try and fix a lot of shit that went wrong during BND and Slott's run >Undid all of that, mystery box to break up Peter and MJ and shit over everything that happened that run >Peter is a drop out again >A bunch of heroes hated him for a while >Peter literally loses every fight he gets in >He's almost never responsible for the ending to an arc, always gets bailed out or saved >Dark Web is legitimately the worst Spider-Man "event" ever made >900 is the single worst milestone issue >Basically every character is out of character >JRJR is at an all time low for art
It's awful, at least with BND you might get one decent issue here and there
>Both get attached to the worst creative teams possible but nothing will change cause both dominate the weekly sales chart
at this point im praying for a total collapse of the American comic just for it all to end
9 months ago
Anonymous
>at this point im praying for a total collapse of the American comic just for it all to end
I can't imagine this is coming from the suits, so this is another Lowe special. I feel like Pete's bachelor days weren't well received. So we're doing 2.0 mixed in with edge? MJ -- regardless if she returns to form -- is such damaged goods I can't imagine her being an end game.
if they don't kill her and have peter going back in time to save her from being dragged into paulverse before all of this started, i may not be surprised at all.
Also Miles still has that deal with the devil.
Just add that Miles thing to the pile of plotlines that will never get mentioned again. Frankly, you know where Editorial is when Ms. Marvel's resurrection is Mutant related and not Champion/Miles related.
No people don't care about MJ anymore and quite frankely neither do I do not see as a character anymore but rather a Nuisance which should be written out for good.
really cuz thats all dudes online talk about 24/7, frick the wishy washy will they wont they either they stay together or they dont. At least give black cat a fricking chance, was literally in like 4 issues before they canned the relationship.
There's a shitposter here that keeps saying it doesn't matter. Also said they weren't gonna break Peter and Felicia up so you can ignore his moronic rambles
Suuure those people don't matter. It's why it's the only demographic marvel ever talks about. Sure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What would it matter if Paul was written out that wouldn't change the fact that she still fricked him. She will be know as a cheater forever, And you don't come back from that ever.
9 months ago
Anonymous
People forget felicia did that
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not even defending MJ but if we wanna throw out some cheater characters lol > Jean grey > Emma Frost > Cyclops
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget Madeline sleeping with her son lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
They will the same way people kept reading Spider-Man after atrocious stories like most of the Clone Saga, Civil War, OmD, BND, Spider Island and the countless awful Spider-Verse stories. Most are going by shroedinger's canon where they pick and chose what Spider-Man stories to ignore and which ones to include in their reading
Honestly, all I care about is Pete acknowledging the Mephisto deal. The way she was written in Spencer implied she remembers it. Wells/Lowe crusade to avoid Spencer's run while simultaneously making MJ look as awful as ever is some petty shit. What I don't understand is why didn't they just kill MJ off. Give the character a few months off.
Slott has an unusual attachment to Kaine. Revived him after his death, cured him in Spider Island, etc etc
Completely unrelated, but how bad is PAD's Ben Reilly:Scarlet Spider? I've found a full compilation of it in hardcover for pretty cheap, so wonder how's is it, considering that the word of mouth I've heard so far was mixed at best, but PAD is a good writter and Bugley's art is my guilty pleasure
Ending backlash was so bad it was retconned in Spidergeddon
"Going through the motions" is just a good way to describe all of these characters in general
It feels like they're in purgatory, it's suffocating. I just want them all to die so they don't have to keep doing this crap forever
Completely unrelated, but how bad is PAD's Ben Reilly:Scarlet Spider? I've found a full compilation of it in hardcover for pretty cheap, so wonder how's is it, considering that the word of mouth I've heard so far was mixed at best, but PAD is a good writter and Bugley's art is my guilty pleasure
beginning is bad, ending is shit, the bulk is alright
Elaborate, what was the ending? Also any status update on PAD?
ben dies one more time, goes insane, assaults kaine and leaves him for dead, goes cry in the rain after
it opens up a littany of plotholes in the process but that's the short of it
I think his health worsened shortly after the Ben book was done, but one way or another, he wanted to tell the story of a completely unhinged Ben who didn't know what he wanted to be. Then reaction was bad, and sales looked like the usual inevitable slump to cancellation as Spider spin-offs that aren't Miles are wont to go, and very early on they began course correcting. Regardless, then the book is split between PAD wanting Ben to ambivalent on morals and portraying him as an actual hero. The fact the book ends the way it did pretty much just shows what he actually wanted to write with the character. He also leaves out completely unsubtle hints at his distaste of where the book would head into, with characters kuterakky going "why can't we mix it up with who's hero and who's villain?!" to hear "IT'S WORKED SO FAR" and such.
To further compound the absolute fricking joke that is editorial in recent years, Spider-Geddon makes absolutely no reference to the ending of the PAD book. It's so disconnected people are just assuming it got stealth de-canonized.
PAD never liked Ben to begin with. If you look at any interviews from back in the day, he'd just say he knew Peter would always be back, and that he was kind of pointless. When a fan asked on an email interview to expand his thoughts on Ben, PAD's single reply was "Oy". He also openly mocked the Clone Saga as it was ongoing in his Hulk run.
I doubt when he was approached with a job to radically change up what the character had been up to that point that Lowe had to really hold him against his will to write what he originally intended. The book itself gets sanitized from PAD's original idea - Cassandra Mercury goes from master blackmailer to mostly just Abby's distressed mom, who literally runs philantropy following Secret Empire, and Slate becomes a whole lot friendlier to Ben and Kaine very quickly. To compound things further, Devin Lewis was the editor on Scarlet Spider, not Lowe. Lowe was "executive editor", but the utter disconnect between the end of the PAD book and Spider-Geddon lets you know he wasn't paying any attention. And Lowe WAS actually the editor in Spider-Geddon, so the 'fixing' of Ben happened directly under him.
9 months ago
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PAD not liking ben i do buy, but the specific direction seems like something more out of lowe.
And lets not forget lowe being the one that removed ben from spencer's run.
I have brown skin. Do I have a chance of getting hired by Marvel? I want to save Spider-Man's cast and send Miles back to 1610 or whatever they're rebuilding.
Hey, I'm right here. I do have my own Spider-Man fanfic(which I want to make into a proper comic but I can't draw) and I'm trying to make it something I think would have genuine audience appeal instead of just being purely self-indulgent. I've focused on straightening out the timeline, cleaning up the lore, slimming down the cast, making characterization consistent, and writing original story arcs instead of rewriting old ones. Sure, there's some retellings here and there, but only if I'm actually changing something about them.
They’re just going to have Peter forgive and forget everything mj did aren’t they? That will make Peter the biggest fricking chump I’ve ever witnessed. Maybe miles isn’t so bad anons
Sorry I find giving up cheating on your partner and treating you like human garbage despite trying to save you a little bit worse than Peter being in a fricked state of mind and accidentally hitting mj. She’s a garbage human being and Peter will always be known as a disgusting cuck after this run
You just know they're going to retcon it in some way. And to be fair, I don't know if being sad around you while saying you have responsibilities is treating you like human garbage.
When someone brings Into the Spiderverse, tell them Peter's merch sold more than Miles. If they bring up Across, tell them that Miguel is more popular.
Others don't get as much exposure so it makes it easy to handwave it away unfortunately because other books in Marvel tied into this shit we cannot call it some kind of simulation or that shit. Memoryholing it won't work either because it'd not be scrubbed off the face of the earth.
So it turns out that Wilson Fisk is the new White King of the Hellfire Club after a deal he made with Emma Frost. Will this plot point affect ASM and Gang War or will Kingpin be an X-Men character for the foreseeable future?
Will take so much time for the Storytime? I have seen some very bad quality pictures of the issue, and I want to know the details because I'm confused.
Yo is Slott's Doc Ock fan fiction or art or whatever it was still available? I vaguely remember him basically having some Tumblr-looking (Tumblr nose) art of a Doc Ock that shows how blatant he self-inserted into Ock.
Also lol, Slott-trannies and Slott himself seethe over anyone calling out that page.
Now Felicia is going to be a dyke wearing a black burka like in the PS4 game, it only took 10 years for them to destroy everything, now there's nothing left for Kevin Feige and the MCU to ruin
Holy frick get rid of Zeb Wells... Now even Felicia is out of character apart from already being nonexistent from the get-go
>going through the motions
Fricker can't even write a good reason
I honestly don't even know if it's Wells. This entire run has been very Slottian to the point where I'm wondering if Lowe isn't basically telling Wells what to write with a little leeway i.e. break up and kill the Pete/MJ relationship in whatever way Wells wants. You have long time characters being shat on, toyetic suits, plots that go nowhere, stories that seem to go out of their way to insult readers (900 or the recent Ock story), deaths of characters who barely featured in the book, and now revolving door LIs. Frick, Peter even has a lab job.
Lowe came in during Superior and I get the feeling that his view of what Spider-Man should be is what Slott was doing. He hated what Spencer tried to do and Wells is way more compliant and doesn't give a shit (likely because he makes more writing for the MCU shows and movies). A lot of this run feels OOC for Wells who was an otherwise good writer but it does feel like the back half of Slott's run which makes me think that Lowe is exercising a lot of power over what's happening.
Wells is the worst writer.
There was one time he wrote Venom and Black Cat and she was like WHO ARE YOU and forgot Venom beat the crap out of her [as
refers or that she Spidey and Venom helped against Carnage during Maximum Carnage]. Wells is the worst.
They need editors who do their job. What's Jimmy Shooter up to nowadays?
>What's Jimmy Shooter up to nowadays?
Retired
Enjoy his old days
Bnd writers have always been like that.
Wells is so much worse than Slott. Lowe is so much worse than Slott.
Why does he have three shoulders?
When will you morons learn? Marvel and DC hate your guts.
Stop reading modern capeshit.
and read what? Romance novels? Nonfiction? Anime? Lolno
yes but its a last ditch hand hold, theyre facing away and far away
>yes but its a last ditch hand hold, theyre facing away and far away
No it's not they are dealing with the loss of their children in their own way. it's obvious they love each other.
theres a turn inward and turn outward. theyre turned outward. its a last ditch show affection but ultimately the one thing keeping them together is GONE.
Oh this truly pathetic MJ gays just can't cope with the fact that MJ and Paul are a couple you truly are morons
>He thinks MJgays hate Paul
No one and Im positive not even writers after Wells will give two cents about Paul
>No one and Im positive not even writers after Wells will give two cents about Paul
And yet they showed in him bed with MJ oh yes you can tell that the writers don't give a shit about him this way. You people truly are idiots.
>AFTER Wells
I dont even need to bet its a fact that Pauls gonna get drop like a rock when this run is over especially with all the flack this run gets.
Watch him get offed by someone and it drives MJ back to Peter... He's basically a kid that was aged up by that universe.
Yeah you can tell it's already happening right now, Mary Jane and him don't even talk to each other.
Might be cope I think the annual hinted that more than this backup. Expect probably announcement at NYCC
well they already announced Spider-man Reign 2 and the promo is the scene where Spidey is carrying dead Maryjane so expect synergy.
and yet we have the rips showing that the spider is Resurrected Mary Jane, and Peter is Dead
ooo where at
check the reign thread, there will be a teaser once ASM31 hits
Fisk is a large super mutant now, and he ate the previous mayor
Peter is Dead, the Spider there is mary jane who somewhat ressurrected herself, possibly the same way as peter after morlun
Peter is the resurrected one. Seems he's hallucinating MJ
I feel like many of the things that were going to be discussed at SDCC, like the Ultimate Universe, got pushed to NYCC
>Yeah you can tell it's already happening right now, Mary Jane and him don't even talk to each other.
This is spam moron they do talk with each other and they do frick now frick off.
That won't happen because marvel want to shit on Peter's life hard. You think a better writer will come along after Wells run is over. You are wrong the next writer will be just as bad and he will also crap on Peter's life.
Good or bad, NO one is using Paul come the next run
Lol you underestimate marvel's stupidity they will keep him with MJ in order to make fans seethe. Since they love bad stories, Paul is not going away anytime soon you can be sure of that
just have peter beating her so badly that he gets painted as worse than hitler during the climax of gang wars and he going full BatKek and taking over the gangs of NY
Paul is nothing more than a vehicle to impose a sticking change, but they already backed out by making the kids vanish. Clearly the backlash is having its effect and this is their emergency exit.
Zeb Wel..er...Paul will be gone once a new writer is in place. Based on Marvel sales I expect that change to happen soon. The alt covers thing is only going to carry them for so long now that the speculators are starting to exit.
Brevoort was still defending this run using "muh sales" as an excuse, so I assume that unfortunately Marvel aren't gonna force Wells/Lowe out until the sales go down. Have they actually started dropping yet, or is ASM still doing inexplicably well?
That is because not even the covers are selling this shit, and they know the comics department is next on the guillotine.
the covers were selling in the last 2-3 years but now that the speculators have moved onto the next big thing and are buying less, we are stuck with the bloat. They called Marvel's bluff and won. How can you tell? Just look at comic prices in 3rd party. Comic dealers are starting to drop prices hard.
Really is there a speculator bubble deflating rn.
Secret Wars 8 was like 1000 bucks at the beginning of this year. I just bought a double signed one for less than 300. People are getting out in a hurry. I know same thing is happening in Action figures too. Good luck to the POP market lol
but honestly I dont care if the bottom falls out, I collect for the love of the books not the value. People who are "INVESTING" in comics outside of Amazing Fantasy are idiots.
Yeah icv2 already reported that sales are slumping now
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/54696/comic-sales-lag-weak-spring
> a collectors crash if significant will definetly cut into the margins peob why why have this exclusive d1:100 variants stuff rn.
You can blame Heritage and CGC 100%. Marvel just followed along to try to ride the wave. I know I warned them some time ago about it and it fell on deaf ears.
People are grading comics and not reading them. Theyre relying on speculators to say what books are keys. Theyre spending a fortune on duplicates to grade them be it diff cover or multiples. Theyre thriving hard on Venom and Spidey collectors who grade because theyre a ripe crop to keep messing with, Heritage tried to sell the original page of Secret Wars 8 for 1 mil, but didnt tell anyone it was shell bidders or just sold back to themselves at a higher price to try to pump the value of all original comic art. Jim Halperin was charged by FBI with fraud for same crap with the coin market. He's been doing it in Comics and Video games. Now we see people grading Video Tapes and action figures... but lol
You knew the ride was over as soon as the CGC CEO "retired' this year. Next guy will be holding the bag when everyone realizes they got played,
CGC has been a scam for decades and collectors and companies keep falling for it
At this point though most of us probably expect this status quo to last till next year at the end of wells run depending if he does shit with paul.
Doesn't matter anon MJ having fricked Paul will always remain canon all the same. She will be knows as a cheater forever there is no coming back from this.
>Doesn't matter anon MJ having fricked Paul will always remain canon all the same
Don't erase Paul's asexuality shitlord.
Oh they fricked anon that's for sure.
was she a cheater though? They were in the process of talking about getting back together, and then glowing guy showed up.
What happend then no longer matters since MJ and paul did become a couple later.
These comments are always dumb since we know Paul shit don’t work from #25, but honestly it just tells me editorial plans on keeping them together so they’re trying to appease PeterMJ bros by saying “see you guys were b***hing about that and not anything else”
>Paul shit don’t work from #25
Stop pushing your headcanon as 100 % fact. No one even said that on page. This "platonic" shit never existed outside of your head.
I’m not saying it’s platonic since it very much looks like they’re in a relationship, just that Marvel tried to calm us down by saying it’s not physical and we are pissed off with the way they broke them up
Don't forget Lowe and Cebulski
Feliciagays saw what happened to MJ. They thought that won't happen to them? At least Cat didn't cucked him like MJ. So that's already a win in my book
She literally did in the pride book.
That story of hers was set before they were official. There was an editor's note at the start of that page. Still, though, pretty shitty timing. What I suspect is that the story was actually set during their official relationship and the breakup was already in the works.
Black cat already cucked him in the 80s
She didn't cuck him in this run. Out of two characters she got a better deal with Wells
she's cucked him 9 times
>9
>cat
It's like poetry
>Feliciagays saw what happened to MJ. They thought that won't happen to them?
A lot of Black Cat and Gwen fans managed to convince themselves Marvel's issue wasn't with Spider-Man being married, just with him being married to MJ. If nothing else this issue should bring some of those people back to reality.
>A lot of Black Cat and Gwen fans
you mean Choice Floor and gwenschizo
This won't wake Gwenschizo up, nothing can do that. He'll always think Marvel are about to bring Gwen back for real any minute now.
The ones here are moronic so.
>At least Cat didn't cucked him like MJ.
Proof that Feliciagays have never read a single issue of Spider-Man in their lives
Peter Parker is the only character I've seen simultaneously attract multiple beautiful women like a chad then get cucked like a simp
Its part of the fantasy for Brand new day writers.
>Peter Parker is the only character I've seen simultaneously attract multiple beautiful women like a chad
When good writers wrote him
>then get cucked like a simp
When morons like Wells write him.
>Felicia btfo
>maryprostitutekekbawdbawdbitchc**t used goods
Time to rise up deb bros
>Her last appearance was 16 years ago
Maybe it's really her time
What, do you want Peter to gaslight her 20 times more?
We should galsight gwenschizo into thinking she's gwen.
i'm real tired of bruce and peter getting shit on constantly, and their love interests by extension.
I haven't read batman since the morrison run. How are they shitting on batman currently?
Hyped his wedding
Didio said "no" and canceled it
Bruce and Selina got unofficially married afterwards
Editorial said "no" and had Tynion write them as going on a break
Tini Howard took over the Catwoman book and had Selina sleep with a murdering creep just to kill him off next issue
Now there's a Gotham War event between Bruce/Selina involving the Batfamily fighting each other
Wouldn't be a problem 8f they just let Bruce be with his true love.
Do you do you think she balances the penis?
now all we need is Gwen to come back to life and tell Peter she never really loved him
We all know where Felicia is going too with Peter in the background telling how brave she is.
MJ should go talk to the Scarlet Witch, she's probably the only person on Earth who'd understand how she feels.
true
Probably vetooed because MJ would be writen decent in other book or not follow the Paul stuff
boy, I love Spider-Man comics! I wonder what crazy, thrilling crimefighting he'll get up to in this issue!
99% of cape comics after the Bronze Age are a waste of paper
80s spider-man was better honestly.
I miss romita.
Re-reading his run. It's GOAT tier.
Any spoilers about Randy and Janice's wedding? Do Tombstone or any other crime bosses pull any shenanigans?
I saw someone say that Madame Masque dies, but I haven't seen proof.
feels a bit random to kill of a Iron man villain, especially a yandere just as he's about to be married
This is the same run that had Kamala join the ASM cast, do next to nothing for a year, then die so that she could be resurrected in the X-Men books two months later.
cringe
when did the kids dissapear? i never saw that
#26. Rabin despawns them after they've served their purpose.
Wait I thought the kids were orphans picked up. I haven't read this shitshow of an arc so I don't know what is going on
Magic kids made from some bullshit, then they disappeared and now they’re trying to justify why MJ stays with Paul since the only thing that they had was the magic kids. Honestly you’re better off just not paying any attention to this shit, the next writer is going to ignore it anyway.
I made the mistake of reading it. What in the frick was that. None of that made any sense whatsoever. Also black cat was barely in these issues to establish a relationship. This shit is all over the place
DC and Marvel made a bet to see who gets ruined faster before they all get fired, Peter or Bruce.
Welcome to Zeb Wells and Nick Lowe’s spider-man, it’s godawful.
Man this page is gonna be that much funnier when she forgets all about them by the end of the year.
You MJ gaygs are truly pathetic it's obvious that MJ and Paul will stay a couple now stream you sucides.
They are sleeping in opposite sides of the bed. None of the pages show them happy togheter mj needing to be a superhero to cope. Yeah it's not lasting lol
MJ is holding out Paul's hand which is for obvious support moron so yeah they will remain a couple.
I'll stream yours, hahaha
Maybe she will get back with peter and they can finally have a kid... Maybe this loss will make her want a non magical child
They'll come full circle with the cuckshit, Peter will impregnate MJ since Paul can't but she will stay with Paul and he will raise Peter's child.
No she won't she will stay with Paul this will not get undone.
Cant she just sit there with her magic bracelet until she gets 777 and bring the kids back GodMJ style? I mean she revived a demon why not?
Please don't try to make this moronic run make sense, you're going to hurt yourself.
Oh I gave up making it make sense the moment Peter was like OH NO I CANT EXPLAIN I MUST HURRY and then proceeded to paint his one use Spider-armor thingy with the red and blues
Cut your nails you disgusting piece of shit.
>We're respecting each other, that means we're just going through the motions
OK then...
>"you haven't tried to fix me, I haven't tried to corrupt you"
>"I want a relationship not a project"
isn't that a contradiction? wtf is this writing?
"I want to be able to change you"
"NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT"
frick Wells, frick him right up his virgin frickin eyehole
It's a literal contradiction. Wells fault.
Not caring about your girlfriend going out committing crimes sounds like a lack of respect for both her and yourself
Or it shows the trust that Peter had in Felicia.
>MJgays upset because she's cucking Peter
>Petergays upset because the run's running him through the wringer
>Feliciagays upset that she broke up with Peter
>Jamesongays upset because of Wells' moronic plot about him making Ock's tentacles his dog
>Bengays upset because Wells ruined his character
>Kafkagays upset because Wells ruined her character
>Kingsleygays upset that Wells made him Kafka's lackey
>Kamalagays upset because they faked her death for no reason other than to make her a mutant
Does this run appeal to anyone?
Norman fans? Maybe?
Norman fans want Stormin' Norman though.
God I miss thunderbolts Norman.
Maybe NormanPeter fans, if they even exist obviously.
UWU GUD BOI Norman is fricking awful and I hate cartoonishly evil Norman as well.
Stern's Revenge of the Green Goblin is my perfect Norman. Humanized enough to not be a complete caricature but still a piece of shit.
There is legit one anon who loves and shills this run.
He also loves Zdarsky’s Batman and PKJ’s Action Comics.
Can't forget the small amount of cbrgays who will defend this run on every choice.
This is legit the worst Spider-Man run. Even worse than the Clone Saga.
Clone Saga is good
The Web of LOWE
What a ball of misery. Its not fun.
The Peter and Bruce suffering must continue
Old, retired and spiteful at Marvel and DC
This is the only run I can think of in my lifetime where I have not seen a single bit of genuine praise from anyone anywhere, online or in real life. Even at its most moronic, Slott's run had its die-hard fans, I haven't met a single person who thinks anything about this run isn't fricking dogshit.
Go to cbr there's like a few die hards on there that say the run is good.
>Go to cbr
No thanks
They have to be human for it to count
If you go there now they are raging harder than balls hurt gay 3 shills getting exposed at Cinemaphile
This run is worse then one more day, at least the comic before one more day was fun with Peter going apeshit on Fisk in the middle of jail.
I guess Spiderversetards could be happy since Peter being an unhappy cuck is exactly their thing
More like Peterbros we lost
That doesn't even bear saying at this point, it's the status quo
Peter is no longer needed, he should just eat a bullet already.
I don't card anymore. I had enough. Just bring Gwen back as Peter's true love. Or just make Spider-Gwen his tue love
I just had enough. I had enough with all of this nonsense
If something due the success of Across the Spiderverse movie they will make Gwen/Miles canon in comics to hang on the popularity of the movie and lure some fans.
It was done during the Bendis one & every one hated it. Or else we would have known more about Earth-8, or at least someone there helping the other spiders during the other Spider-Verse events. They never showed & no one cared. & with BTSV delayed that popularity will slowly die off until its release. Then it'll die off again afterwards. & it's Sony's business, & Marvel ain't gonna make the pairing canon just for the Spider-Verse movies, because they would have to hook up for some unexplained reasons, & then break up afterwards. Which will make everything up to that point useless. & Miles already has his own love interest, & one of them is Tiana Toomes, which he'sin a relationship with currently. He's not gonna break her up just for Gwen. That would be a dumb thing to do, & it would be something Peter would do, which Miles is not Peter. & Gwen is now more older than Miles, as her reality aged her more abit. The age gap between them won't make it possible, & she's seeing someone
Gwen Stacy is not trans, & the only ones who believed that are those that are disillusioned based on that one shot of that Trans flag & latched onto it, or deranged Spider-Verse fans that keeps spewing daily nonsense & think their views mattered more than others
I’m pretty sure that you meant delusional not disillusioned.
Miles loves to take Peter’s sloppy seconds.
Gwen Stacy is trans now thanks to Twitter. Peter getting fricked by Gwen would be gay.
isnt she like 17?
She's in her 20's currently. Maybe 21, but she is aging somewhat quick now that she's back in her reality
Why do you want Peter to have Miles’ sloppy seconds?
Spider-Gwen is Miles’ woman.
616 Gwen is old and dead.
Spider-Gwen was never Miles's woman. Especially with how the comic went with them. Besides, this ain't some Spider-Verse nonsense
Spider-Gwen right now in the comics is an adult in her 20's. Thanks to her reality, Spider-Gwen has aged much quicker now. So there would be a moment in the comics were Gwen will be nearly or the same age as Peter when they'll meet again
Haven't you heard anon, Spider-verse is apparently good now... it never was, but you know how normal cattle are like.
Bendis was the only one trying to make that into a thing, no one else liked it, no one followed up on it in any of the other books, and once Bendis was gone it was quickly swept under the rug. Not even the movies have led to this pairing being made into a real thing.
They’re going to, and a bunch of people already like it because of the movies.
Peter gets this close to happiness only to have it pulled under his feet
You can thanks marvel editorial for that.
Peter is just not allowed to be happy.
The two of them were never going to work out. They’re far too different.
nah that's bullshit
this is just wells being too lazy to write
I fricking told you and you didn't listen
Amen, brother
that's the pose of a girl that's gonna suck some fat wiener
is this the garbage you wanted feliciagays
>is ok to be the consolation prize for peter!!
this shit is pathetic LMAO she is better with Eddie
back to your cuck cage, Slott
yeah I somehow don't see that working out...
Women love men who beat them.
It's perfect.
They are bros now Its ok
why is his butt all shapely? fricking bara shitters at marvel
Back to Cinemaphile, weeb
Bad lettering.
Imagine the sex.
...yeah I could see Felicia being a monsterfricker.
Wells and Lowe are the worst thing to happen to Spider-Man.
I'm tired of Spider-Man being about relationships when can get a run that's just Parker living a regular single life with stories about him and his villains like Paul Jenkins run and Tangled Web.
Anyone has info about the Spider-Boy's part? And what happened exactly in the wedding?
Let's see:
- The Wedding.
- Peter and Felicia break up.
- MJ's trauma.
- Spider-Boy.
- Reign 2.
Anything else?
I don't know if it's true, but someone said there was also something related to Superior Spider-Man.
On the scans of the leaked pages, right before MJ's story and after Peter and Felicia's break, I can see some pictures about Doc Ock. Maybe is related to that?
Link to the scans?
>Reign 2
What is there to tell since the original story tied up nicely? Unless it's going to be set in the past with Peter dealing with MJ slowly dying?
It's the Dark Knight Strikes Again to Reign's Dark Knight Returns. Morbidly obese cyborg Kingpin's taken over.
>Anyone has info about the Spider-Boy's part?
They go into details about his main villain apparently.
What exactly happens? Like a breakdown of all the important shit.
You have to let it go
How long until she starts dating a girl again?
Probably zero issues.
Carlie Cooper 2.0 clone incoming
"Dan Buckley is a name that most fans in and around the industry don’t really know. That’s because, even moreso than the editorial staff, Dan isn’t front-facing. His name is in books but he’s not a presence there or on the convention trail or giving interviews in the manner that most of the rest of us are. But Dan oversees the entirety of Marvel’s publishing operations among many other things, and he’s truly excellent at his job. A little bit of it is maybe some game-recognizes-game, but Buckley’s ability to read people and analyze and understand their motivations and what drives them is uncannily keen. It’s similar enough to the skills that I often use to convince people—creators or other editors or whoever—to do whatever I need to get done, so I can recognize the ability in use, even when it’s being turned upon me. So I wound up having a meeting with Dan this week, one in which he told me he was going to ask me to do something that I wasn’t going to want to do, and then proceeded through a combination of need, flattery, genuine admiration, duty and responsibility to get me to agree to take on the specific mission that he was hoping to entice me into. Seriously, I know something about pitching an idea to people, and this was like watching a world class hurler throw a perfect game"
https://tombrevoort.substack.com/p/71-sea-change
This shit could be anything publishing wise, but I wonder if comics is kind of getting reprimanded for bad pr on the more headliner based decisons?
who knows but now with the writers and actors strike going on and now the VFX people unionizing, people will be more bored and have less things to do.
so I wouldn't be surprised if they start giving comics more attention and probably lead to higher ups being more critical of what they do.
I'm having a hard time deciding if Slott or Wells' run is the worse. None of this shit makes sense anymore.
At least Slott's run is short, and the Spiderverse story in it was basically ignored by everybody. Zeb is still going on until least #59. Also, at least Slott tried to fix Mayday's story, so that's one positive even if it's the only one.
Wasn't Dan basically 10 years?
Not entirely since he shared the title with other people during BND, but Slott is proud of the fact that he's written more issues of Amazing Spider-Man than any other writer.
I mean the recent run. But also at least with the ten years of Slott, he tried things. They weren't good, but he tried, also he did end with Go Out Swinging and that final issue, because #801 showed what Spidey meant at the end of the day, and why he does what he does.
Go home, Slott.
Ok, yeah that was a stupid thing to say. But to me, the problem is how long it took before it became clear they fricked up. I didn't read Slott's run while it was happening, but I think it took until Superior when people wanted him to leave, and that was like 5 years in. Zeb got told to frick off straight away. So in terms of how long until they got told to f-off, Zeb wins for being told immediately.
Dan?
No, seriously, yeah, I'll say he tried different things. No hate on that. But he has a long line of bastardization. Ben, romantic interests (funnily enough, I have a soft spot for Anna), killing Flash off, poor writing of SpOck (I always felt other writers wrote SpOck better), bastardization of Cat, Norman getting away at the end of Superior, the weird euphoric nature he approached Spider-Verse.
I agree, but could you elaborate on the nature of spiderverse to you?
Going back to his tweets, various comments here and there, it was pretty apparent he enjoyed killing off some iconic Spider-Men.
While I'm at it, I thought his Cindy Moon was fetish fantasy, Bobbi Morse was a terrible idea.
I remember when it was implied with the recent spiderverse story that the Spider-Boy from the Amalgam Universe was killed, but then Slott tried to say that due to spider people getting revived, he could've. I can actually find it.
Here it is.
That's all fine and dandy. It's obscure enough that no other writer really brought up Spider-Verse in that context. Damage was done, though. The spat over Mayday didn't shine a nice light on him.
Could we get a recap of what he did with Mayday? I need to remember so I can curse his name later.
>All the girls are lost to him
>Forever disrespected
>Forever static
I hate how most of Marvel (editorial included) hates Peter. This is unjust. Peter deserves to have a life of his own.
Dear Diary.
For once Slott said something that is actually good.
They don’t hate him. They just simply believe that controversial stories will boost sales, just like Hydra Cap.
Then they are horribly wrong since it's very, very short-sighted
Not the ones killed by other Inheritors then
I'm not going to shit on what Slott is currently writing. I reverse my opinion of it until the work is done. But ... I don't think the idea of Spider-Boy is stupid inheritably, but saying the boy existed the entire time is stupid writing. The safe and obvious loophole will end up being that Spider-Boy is remembering another Pete from another dimension. If Slott had the balls to double-down, he should have made Spider-Boy a pre-OMD character and remember everything, including Pete and MJ's marriage.
Isn't Dan gonna get married soon? Maybe he can now see why people are still mad about OMD
Well, congrats to him, then. Is he marrying an Asian woman? I'm curious because who know why that was written. I wonder if Spider-Boy following that same thread.
>Maybe he can now see why people are still mad about OMD
Hell no. He's not gonna give a damn about it. OMD is still canon regardless. Peter & MJ are never getting back together
Can you please get your marriage back from Mephisto already
marvel only shits on white men
we never see competent or heroic depictions of white men
every story is about how they suck and how women and blacks are better then them
>We have to break up because our relationship isn't toxic enough
WHAT KIND OF INCEL SHIT IS THIS?!?
The really disappointing thing is how boring the new black cat/mary Jane mini is gonna be because of this.
COMICS KEEPING THE STATUS QUO?!?!?!?!?!
TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!!
Seriously how fricking moronic do you have to be to expect ANYTHING remotely like story developments in capeshit? Like, superheroes are gay as a concept, sure, but at least the weeb ones actually have stories that evolve and change. Whereas Spider-Man has remained EXACTLY the fricking same as the 60s. And every time there is a change to the comic, two issues later, it's back to what it was before. Like why would you expect any different? Holy shit you guys are fricking moronic.
>Whereas Spider-Man has remained EXACTLY the fricking same as the 60s
No it hasn't. Spider-Man is not a kid in high school or a kid in college selling photos to Jameson and worrying about his sick aunt and juggling multiple love interests.
Motherfricker, that's a bald-faced lie and you know it. He's still working for the Bugle, or was the last time I bothered reading a comic. Only recently did he break up with MJ and this Felicia thing happened and then got gone. I guess he's a scientist now, but that'll get retgone too in a year. But the point is, his stories and his interactions are still exactly the same.
>He's still working for the Bugle, or was the last time I bothered reading a comic.
Slott ended his run by having him work for the Bugle and Spencer immediately fired him. He hasn't been a photographer since BND when he got caught got photoshopping and was blacklisted.
>Only recently did he break up with MJ and this Felicia thing happened and then got gone.
MJ broke up with him. Peter hasn't been involved in a love triangle in a long time.
Unironically peter is living with Norman's money, worse, he is becoming broken as Harry, which is very ironic.
Marvel was going to have her go do bi girl things on every Pride month every year. There's no way they would keep her with him. Face it, your faith was put in the marvel bicycle. Every pride month they'll roll her out. The only way it would ever work is if it was Her, Peter, and MJ together but that would scare super normies and bring the righties out complaining about grooming.
This. It goes to prove that being outed as part of the alphabet gang is a death sentence for a character. It doesn't matter if they say the character is bi. They only want characters to be full gay forever but are too pussies to label them as such.
Turning Spidey into the token poly representation book is unironically the best thing Marvel could possibly do at this point to break out of this moronic cycle of having every character act like a moronic homosexual every few issues so they can shuffle around who's fricking who.
Just make b***hes love Spider-Man canon, and let MJ and Felicia frick while you're at it. You could even throw Johnny Storm into the mix and go whole hog, most people wouldn't give a shit at this point, it'd be better than the moronic shit DC did with Jon and Tim.
People who unironically think this are why we get moronic shuffling of relationships/sexuality because writers can't commit and make up their mind.
At this point every time a new writer or editor who isn't happy that Peter's not with his personal best girl comes on the book, we get some moronic plot development to frick up the current relationship so they can set up the thing they want.
If they were just given free reign to say "yeah he's fricking so-and-so, and everyone is cool with it because that's their thing now" we could at least just skip the moronic plot developments used to break him up with whoever he's with at the time. How would that be worse than the shit we're getting right now?
thats not even on the writers... its the editors being too loose with continuity. They need to be a hardliner like Shooter for it to make sense.
>Big Jim
>Jim "Trouble" Shooter
>"Gigantic" Jim Shooter
>"Jaunty Jimmy" Shooter
>Jim "Straight" Shooter
We need him back right fricking now
He's responsible for the best and worst part of marvel. The 'event'.
He created Secret Wars to help Mattel sell toys and it bit us all because we love events.
It shows the bigger universe but at the expense of good contained stories. Chris Claremont hated that.
Why did Claremont hate it?
Because he couldnt give a good story room to breath, he would have to ramp up and ramp down from events.
CBR is raging on a level seen only in Cinemaphile at all of this shit.
And Brevoort is asking why people aren't buying SM comics
Brevroot had that weird stupid tangent on people making conspiracy theories on asm and kamala.
People are buying for the cool variant covers..they arent buying for story. Theyre grading them before they even read them because theyre morons.
I know me I've been buying the Venom THE OTHER series of covers because I like them for my spinner [I dont do that grading bull]. My comic shop still has ASM first prints 25 rotting.
>And Brevoort is asking why people aren't buying SM comics
Is he asking that? I doubt it
I think the leaked scans include something around Doctor Octopus. Can somebody tell me what happened there?
who the frick cares
Well, I do. Since there has been revealed several things about the issue, I'm quite interested to know what else.
The Doc Ock's part could be related with the return of Superior Spider-Man.
Otto wants to get his superior spider man memories back
Well, it's going to be quite difficult, considering his deal with Mephisto and the supernatural factor here.
You know? It would be interesting if, by messing with his deal with Mephisto, Ock makes Mephisto undo all the "deals" he made with the other spiders.
that would need johnny blaze's help, but then all GR's are coming back to life out of nowhere, even Carter Slade in the next hulk issues
Where did you read that? I have checked the upcoming Hulk issues and none mention Carter Slade.
I just wanted people to know I am matt ratt and I made the MJ and Felicia heel turn rumors because it's hilarious watching all of the internet squirm
You're welcome
>reading Spider-Man after his robot parents were introduced
lol. lmao even.
Robot parents and actress aunt may were both stupid.
Well this was a waste of time. What was even the point of getting them back together just to break them up not even a year later? She’s not just a casual love interest like his other short flings, she’s one of his major loves. What a waste
what kind of moron artist draws a chick barefoot on the streets of newyork?
That's the opposite of going through the motions
What the hell, Zeb
I don't hate you like all these idiots, but growth and comfort are healthy
yeah but for Felicia everything must be new and exciting and risky. She got what she wanted now she dont want it anymore. Now she chases Marvel's next voices prospect for 2024.
It wasn't written this way. She noticed Peter was off and wasn't doing what he normally does when they were in a relationship. Not like she did either. And they pulled a reversal on Felicia wanting to have something serious but Peter was mentally checked out dealing with other things.
No one is allowed to grow in Spider-man comics.
We know anon, they just don't want them to be happy.
Does Paul even have a last name yet? What a nothing character. Has he interacted with many of the other Spider cast? Does he have relationships with Jonah and Flash and Betty and May? Is there any one in Peter’s non-costume life that Paul has spent page time with except MJ and Felicia? Has there been any scenes with him and other villains aside from the one he’s linked to?
What even is this character except “the guy MJ chose over Peter”? He doesn’t add to any other dynamic in the book.
Paul Rabin
>spiderman will enter public domain in 2058
all we have to do is survive till then and we can finally make spider man marry black cat
Don't kid yourself
Black cat wouldn't be public domain. Nor Gwen or MJ for that matter.
just make them parody versions
>this isn't Black Cat this is uhh Dark Feline
>this isn't Gwen Stacy this is Stacy Gwenson
>this isn't Mary Jane this is Mari Jannet
Funny thing. Mj would be the first for public domain but you wouldn't be allowed to make her a redhead
>implying that by that point the corporations won’t have supplanted the government and abolished the public domain
Place your bets on whose Peter's next relationship imagine they make a Paul's sister as a love interest.
A grown-up Stephanie who's identical to her mother in everything but personality.
Well so far he's gone from the "normal person" LI (MJ) and the superhero LI (Felicia) so going by how Slottian the rest of this run has been, it's going to be a female scientist working for Oscorp. Maybe they'll bring back Sajani.
This series never fails to make me let out a frustrated *groan* or a *sigh*.
Cue Peter getting a black girlfriend.
It hasn’t ever happened yet. Although he may have to get shot in the head first like Nightwing.
Why do we need two threads
There was an issue from Civil War about Black Cat reflecting on Peter revealing his identity to the world. Felicia acknowledges that she doesn't just love him for being Spider-Man for being Spider-Man but also loves Peter, and for being a nice guy. Why revert that, again? The whole point of her character development was that Peter did succeed in making her a better person, and that she doesn't want to corrupt him anymore.
The idea that she only loves him for being Spidey was buried years ago, why dig it up?
should've used the captain america super syrup instead of the kingpin vaccine
Wells couldn't find any reason for a break-up because there's none
Fricking this, he’s just moving on to his next arc in the most painful amateurish was possible.
Well what does he have norman sins arc & gang wars. What else can he ruin at this point, aunt may?
Well, Peter has only been made into a sad loser so far - he hasn't yet, say, made a deal with the devil in this run. So I think there are still ways to take him lower!
Yup, Wells proved himself too weak to write them.
To be fair there was no reason for them to get together in the first place
They wanted to get together that's as good reason as any
They can get together. The question is can they stay together? And the answer is no.
No one will stay together according to Wells
Yeah a lot of his shit he stated wouldn't be for long term. Just didn't expect black cat to be this short term.
How much of this was planned? It seems he was just blowing raspberries while writing and not thinking. I believe that Kamala's death was an order from on high to make people see it, because it would've probably gotten crickets anywhere else. And I also have to assume where everything is leading to, given how some of the things set up in Timeless is only now happening.
Idk I guess he wanted to do certain arcs and wanted characters who didn't pertain to that out of the way for year 1 and 2. I wouldn't be suprised if post gang wars it's just arcs of him cleaning up and ending most of these storylines.
I saw a theory from an anon once about how he could be trying to see how far editorial will let him go before telling him no, but at this point, I doubt it.
This is the guy who thought it was a good idea to have the Lizard eat his own kid
Do we really need to elaborate theories as to why his story ideas are shit?
Wells is a yes man. He's taking his marching orders from Lowe. ASM is going to be shit until that clown is off the book, which is never because ASM can have literal shit inside its pages and idiots will still buy it.
>ASM can have literal shit inside the pages and idiots will still buy it
Anyways did you guys hear about Spider-Man Reign getting a sequel? That sure sounds exciting and it will be dirt cheap!
Isn't Reign just okay, and it's just the radioactive spider cum scene that makes it 'notorious'? Maybe it's just Marvel wanting to do something. They could bring Defalco and Frenz back to do Spider-Girl, given how Defalco is writing Battleworld, but maybe they decided to go with the controversial option that isn't OMD.
I think defalco said something about him not being able to do it, b/c they would want a women writer on spidergirl.
Nah it was Frenz saying that he doesn't think it's likely they'll get to do it again.
I was just saying the other day that I liked Reign. Always wanted a sequel, but was/am afraid how they would handle it.
It was well received. The "notorious" BS is just a tagline that those idiots at Editorial thought was cute. I liked the story because he put an interesting spin on the Venom symbiote/Pete dynamic.
These quints don't lie. Spider bros are cursed with an endless amount of shitty writer's thinking they're subverting the status quo while repeating the shit we've seen before again and again but worse. I'm fully expecting an aged down asian MJ soon for Slott's Spider-Boy which Cinemaphile and twitter pedos are going to celebrate
Of course they can, specially when they are giving us a positive reason as a negative. It's just reverse world logic.
Someone at Marvel didn't want Peter to be a single loser crying over the woman who left him for the entire run. So they gave him a girlfriend so he wouldn't be that, only Wells had 0 interest in writing it. Now that MJ is on her way to being available again, don't need Felicia anymore.
>Why revert that, again? The whole point of her character development was that Peter did succeed in making her a better person
100% serious here once Felicia and Peter would be together again there is literally no reason why they should break up at this point. The writing is so bad right now they just handwave them breaking up even though it makes no sense for either of them to do so. Heck the run before even showed you how much Felicia loves Peter. Hack writing just all around. No one gives a shit about these love triangles anymore. The majority of people wanna see either Peter and MJ or Peter and Black Cat.
Hello fellow Peterbro
BND writers do that for EVERY character
Good point.
since this is the spidey thread I guess, they made the Spider-Woman tie-in mini for Gang War into an ongoing now
>https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/spider-woman-solo-series-2023-steve-foxe-carola-borelli
wonder if it will last longer than Pacheco/Perez run
also
>Fans can discover more about what kicks off Jessica’s dramatic new journey in a special preview in tomorrow’s AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31!
Oh I can’t wait for that to get canned in 6 issues again
The baby is gone
I may not be surprised if he gets killed out of nowhere and she snaps
And nothing of value was lost.
They'll never beat Spider-Girl
Definitely not!
Are there any spoilers about the issue itself? Does the wedding actually happen?
Goblin Queen and Kraven bang no fricking joke
>Goblin Queen and Kraven bang no fricking joke
Wheres the r34 bois, whip it up.
I think only commgay got art of her. And it was with spiderman or goblin
I really hope you're joking, but it sounds disgusting and awful enough to be true.
>Goblin Queen and Kraven bang no fricking joke
Wonderful now are now lowe and wells are out to ruin Kraven. What will they think of next oh I know we find out he also made a deal with Mephisto,
Leakbros, is there any Norman news?
I’m fine with them breaking up at some point but they didnt really do to much with them together? What was the point
Well with all the other girls gone, I guess it's time for Peter to find Debbie, abuse her again, and then take advantage of her schizophrenia some more.
she stared into the spiderverse, and the spiders stared back
If she returns it will be with Flash Thompson, also watch the symbiote cure her mind and create a new form.
People only remembers Debra from TAS.
I remember her from writing a tell-all book about how Peter ruined her life during Civil War and everyone was mad at her about it
Yes and that was because, she was getting fooled by people who wanted to see peter dead, in fact one of mephisto's ploys.
She later beg sorry for him and the story wasn't published, though it was erased after OMD.
Worse is that JRJoonya is hating every single moment of it.
Same shit happening to Batman, Zdarsky ruined Bruce worse than King
And now Catwoman declared war at him and unironically both gang stories at DC and marvel will share the same run period
Could you recap what's happened in Zdarsky's run?
>Batman is now poor because he killed the penguin
>Alfred is dead
>He broke with Catwoman and even Diana
>League hates him
>Having issues with his bat family
>Had to deal with a AI contingency plan that almost killed him and made the league look him dirt.
>Had to deal with a Villian who was reviving and infecting all jokers in the "Batverse" that also includes '66, burtonverse and so on, all are back and 66 joker is now a bloodthirsty maniac as silver age.
>Lost his right hand in process and left him even more paranoid, DKR Batman build a new hand for him, only Mr Terrific knows what happened.
>Had the Joker lose his right eye to Harley, who is now batsy's little girl, joker now looks like punished Joker, a clown who can't kek.
>Now catwoman hates batman and is declaring war at him because of the batverse shenanigans, where it was a villain catwoman who was the one who brought him to the trap where he lost his hand, thus Gotham Crime Wars rehash again.
>And no one, not even barbara of the bat family knows that he is missing one of his hands, and he is wearing gloves and his suit all time like a madman, and now he is paranoid over his own family.
isn't this quite familiar?
I hate comic books.
If Peter really wants to be with someone he can always get back together with Cindy Moon. I mean her only purpose is to be Peter's lover and personal cum dumpster. lmao
She turned ice cold as soon as spider-verse was over, that ship sailed.
>I haven't tried to corrupt you. Not even a little bit
Who writes this shit?
No way wells is gonna make a new LI for peter, he's got way to much crap going on.
Well he's doing so many great and interesting things so who can blame him. You can't devote any time to building out characters or establishing something that might bring some semblance of joy to the book.
MJ and Peter are gonna end up together in a LE BITTERSWEET moment. Think Raimi's Spider-Man 3.
So now Peter is gonna get Paul's sloppy seconds?
This is an extremely miserable year being a Spider-Man fan
I think this is genuinely the darkest age for Spider-Man we've ever had. The worst part being that normies are fully on board with half of why it's so shit
its BND part two only now even the normies hate this shit with a passion
how Spider-man editorial still goes on like this without someone stepping in is beyond me
At least during BND we had Spectacular Spider-Man for something decent. Now we have spider-verse slop
We have the Secret Wars mini in November to look forward to, written by DeFalco and drawn by Pat Oliffe, so that's got to count for something.
Havent read a lot of this, but it cant be worse than BND. BND came after one of the strongest runs on ASM, shat on it, and proceeded to introduce shit villains and friends. Carlie, Michelle, Latino Cop, Liliy(GoblinCucker), Paperdoll, Freak, Vulture 25, Kraven child, etc. Brought back Harry... and it ignorerd the classic villains for most of it. The only thing that has been slavaged from tjat shitshow was Mr Negative (thanks to Insomniac) and maybe Anti-Venom.
>Mr Negative (thanks to Insomniac) and maybe Anti-Venom
Both are garbage characters. Mr Negative was an absolute bore in the Insomniac game only serving as an appetizer to the villains people actually wanna see.
This is worse, easily
>Came after Spencer's run which, while not perfect, took a lot of steps to try and fix a lot of shit that went wrong during BND and Slott's run
>Undid all of that, mystery box to break up Peter and MJ and shit over everything that happened that run
>Peter is a drop out again
>A bunch of heroes hated him for a while
>Peter literally loses every fight he gets in
>He's almost never responsible for the ending to an arc, always gets bailed out or saved
>Dark Web is legitimately the worst Spider-Man "event" ever made
>900 is the single worst milestone issue
>Basically every character is out of character
>JRJR is at an all time low for art
It's awful, at least with BND you might get one decent issue here and there
We never win anymore, spidey fans
Spiderman and Batman are in a decade of suffering
>Both get attached to the worst creative teams possible but nothing will change cause both dominate the weekly sales chart
at this point im praying for a total collapse of the American comic just for it all to end
>at this point im praying for a total collapse of the American comic just for it all to end
I have good news.
We got lost hunt at least
Technically no since it never happened
I fricking hate Spider-Man comics and I knew this would happen since we can't move on from the expected. Frick Wells and frick Marvel
I can't imagine this is coming from the suits, so this is another Lowe special. I feel like Pete's bachelor days weren't well received. So we're doing 2.0 mixed in with edge? MJ -- regardless if she returns to form -- is such damaged goods I can't imagine her being an end game.
if they don't kill her and have peter going back in time to save her from being dragged into paulverse before all of this started, i may not be surprised at all.
Also Miles still has that deal with the devil.
Just add that Miles thing to the pile of plotlines that will never get mentioned again. Frankly, you know where Editorial is when Ms. Marvel's resurrection is Mutant related and not Champion/Miles related.
they're going back to MJ because that's the only thing people seem to care about
No people don't care about MJ anymore and quite frankely neither do I do not see as a character anymore but rather a Nuisance which should be written out for good.
really cuz thats all dudes online talk about 24/7, frick the wishy washy will they wont they either they stay together or they dont. At least give black cat a fricking chance, was literally in like 4 issues before they canned the relationship.
They were togheter for 20 years and only split due to universe changing shit. Of course people want them togheter.
But it won't happen MJ will remain with Paul and OMD will remain undone no doubt.
Everything in comics is cyclical.
you're just mad because Felicia broke it of with Peter
>No people don't care about MJ anymore
The last year of constant b***hing says otherwise.
There's a shitposter here that keeps saying it doesn't matter. Also said they weren't gonna break Peter and Felicia up so you can ignore his moronic rambles
Its gwen schizo man will never get banned lol.
Where is he located?
Up in your ass.
Poland
Seriously? I thought it would be from somewhere like Florida, not Europe?
He gets upset when people make polish jokes and his screenshot was in polish.
They only b***h about her due to the hype in reality they don't give a shit abut her.
Suuure those people don't matter. It's why it's the only demographic marvel ever talks about. Sure.
What would it matter if Paul was written out that wouldn't change the fact that she still fricked him. She will be know as a cheater forever, And you don't come back from that ever.
People forget felicia did that
Not even defending MJ but if we wanna throw out some cheater characters lol
> Jean grey
> Emma Frost
> Cyclops
Don't forget Madeline sleeping with her son lol
They will the same way people kept reading Spider-Man after atrocious stories like most of the Clone Saga, Civil War, OmD, BND, Spider Island and the countless awful Spider-Verse stories. Most are going by shroedinger's canon where they pick and chose what Spider-Man stories to ignore and which ones to include in their reading
At least brevroot is leaving soon.
When?
Speculation article
https://www.thepopverse.com/marvel-tom-brevoort-editor-news-announcement-new-position-project
They can ignore this shit for all I care but Paul's sperm will never come out if MJ body.
Can you even spell?
Yes sorry about that.
Honestly, all I care about is Pete acknowledging the Mephisto deal. The way she was written in Spencer implied she remembers it. Wells/Lowe crusade to avoid Spencer's run while simultaneously making MJ look as awful as ever is some petty shit. What I don't understand is why didn't they just kill MJ off. Give the character a few months off.
not people, just the marywh0gays as has been established already
Seems like your the only who's obsessed with MJ cus you keep bringing her up every thread.
Maybe some other day...
wake up anon
I miss spencer
Kainebros, how does it feel knowing our boy isn't ever going to be touched by Wells?
You better not jinx yourself and hope that wells isnt going to use him post gang wars with Chasm.
I will rape Wells myself if he tries it
>TFW we'll never get a fun, well written, book where they're just bros hanging out and stopping crime together.
I hate it.
>saved by slott
Weird
Slott has an unusual attachment to Kaine. Revived him after his death, cured him in Spider Island, etc etc
Ending backlash was so bad it was retconned in Spidergeddon
I'm frankly surprised he didn't give Kaine a qt Asian gf as Slott is wont to do
Relieved. Even if I do miss him.
I kind of found it funny that the bachelor party situation is an almost copy to Betty Brant birthday in BND.
This run has zero original ideas.
I wanted to contradict that, but nah it really doesnt.
Peter working for Osborn is absolutely new.
Its just horizon with a new skin. Which was just tri corp again.
Just stop caring and let capeshit die already.
"Going through the motions" is just a good way to describe all of these characters in general
It feels like they're in purgatory, it's suffocating. I just want them all to die so they don't have to keep doing this crap forever
It's literally in their fricking manifesto
mariprostitutekekgaybros... they stylin on us...
>Felicia gets treated like shit too
>lol maryprostitute
K polak hope a Russian and German find you and dp you
I remember seeing art of green goblin wearing Gwen's skin like that one joker story. Anyone have it?
This one?
KINO
Jesus frick
GODDAMN THAT'S NASTY
You mean hot
More like dumb as frick.
You dont wear the skin of chicks you've fricked?
He never did frick Gwen in reality.
He's inside of her 🙂
Don't.
Completely unrelated, but how bad is PAD's Ben Reilly:Scarlet Spider? I've found a full compilation of it in hardcover for pretty cheap, so wonder how's is it, considering that the word of mouth I've heard so far was mixed at best, but PAD is a good writter and Bugley's art is my guilty pleasure
Its alright untill the ending.
PAD really wanted to write kaine but had to write lowe's ben instead. And it shows.
Elaborate, what was the ending? Also any status update on PAD?
beginning is bad, ending is shit, the bulk is alright
ben dies one more time, goes insane, assaults kaine and leaves him for dead, goes cry in the rain after
it opens up a littany of plotholes in the process but that's the short of it
Ah, I have to wonder what PAD wanted to do before his health issues. When did that start? I've only began paying attention to it recently.
I think his health worsened shortly after the Ben book was done, but one way or another, he wanted to tell the story of a completely unhinged Ben who didn't know what he wanted to be. Then reaction was bad, and sales looked like the usual inevitable slump to cancellation as Spider spin-offs that aren't Miles are wont to go, and very early on they began course correcting. Regardless, then the book is split between PAD wanting Ben to ambivalent on morals and portraying him as an actual hero. The fact the book ends the way it did pretty much just shows what he actually wanted to write with the character. He also leaves out completely unsubtle hints at his distaste of where the book would head into, with characters kuterakky going "why can't we mix it up with who's hero and who's villain?!" to hear "IT'S WORKED SO FAR" and such.
To further compound the absolute fricking joke that is editorial in recent years, Spider-Geddon makes absolutely no reference to the ending of the PAD book. It's so disconnected people are just assuming it got stealth de-canonized.
Seems clear that was lowe.
What was Lowe?
Pushing ben as evil/loose morally.
PAD never liked Ben to begin with. If you look at any interviews from back in the day, he'd just say he knew Peter would always be back, and that he was kind of pointless. When a fan asked on an email interview to expand his thoughts on Ben, PAD's single reply was "Oy". He also openly mocked the Clone Saga as it was ongoing in his Hulk run.
I doubt when he was approached with a job to radically change up what the character had been up to that point that Lowe had to really hold him against his will to write what he originally intended. The book itself gets sanitized from PAD's original idea - Cassandra Mercury goes from master blackmailer to mostly just Abby's distressed mom, who literally runs philantropy following Secret Empire, and Slate becomes a whole lot friendlier to Ben and Kaine very quickly. To compound things further, Devin Lewis was the editor on Scarlet Spider, not Lowe. Lowe was "executive editor", but the utter disconnect between the end of the PAD book and Spider-Geddon lets you know he wasn't paying any attention. And Lowe WAS actually the editor in Spider-Geddon, so the 'fixing' of Ben happened directly under him.
PAD not liking ben i do buy, but the specific direction seems like something more out of lowe.
And lets not forget lowe being the one that removed ben from spencer's run.
Is he doing any better, also who here has donated to the GoFundMe?
I donated 5 bucks.
>Cinemaphile cries about terrible comic writing
>no one on Cinemaphile tries to become a writer so they can fix the writing they consider shit
I already entered the video game industry for that, give me a break
Its in the cards anon.
I have brown skin. Do I have a chance of getting hired by Marvel? I want to save Spider-Man's cast and send Miles back to 1610 or whatever they're rebuilding.
You do.
I tried to be a writer but my mother told me I'd never write anything people would want to read. Gave me crippling self doubt and depression.
Hey, I'm right here. I do have my own Spider-Man fanfic(which I want to make into a proper comic but I can't draw) and I'm trying to make it something I think would have genuine audience appeal instead of just being purely self-indulgent. I've focused on straightening out the timeline, cleaning up the lore, slimming down the cast, making characterization consistent, and writing original story arcs instead of rewriting old ones. Sure, there's some retellings here and there, but only if I'm actually changing something about them.
They’re just going to have Peter forgive and forget everything mj did aren’t they? That will make Peter the biggest fricking chump I’ve ever witnessed. Maybe miles isn’t so bad anons
MJ forgave peter hitting her.
Sorry I find giving up cheating on your partner and treating you like human garbage despite trying to save you a little bit worse than Peter being in a fricked state of mind and accidentally hitting mj. She’s a garbage human being and Peter will always be known as a disgusting cuck after this run
You just know they're going to retcon it in some way. And to be fair, I don't know if being sad around you while saying you have responsibilities is treating you like human garbage.
Peter in that same situation got married to the girl he was in another setting with, while in a committed relationship.
Miles is still terrible. His movie also just had some neat character assassination of not one but many beloved Spider-Men
When someone brings Into the Spiderverse, tell them Peter's merch sold more than Miles. If they bring up Across, tell them that Miguel is more popular.
They need to retcon this entire run out of existence, make both Peter and MJ constructs. Both of them act extremely out of character in this run.
Everyone is OOC
Others don't get as much exposure so it makes it easy to handwave it away unfortunately because other books in Marvel tied into this shit we cannot call it some kind of simulation or that shit. Memoryholing it won't work either because it'd not be scrubbed off the face of the earth.
>This entire run was just Mysterio all over again
would it work?
They need to retcon at least 25 years of worthless ooc comic material out of existence by now.
>Run ends with the reveal that both peter and mj were replaced by wayeb constructs
How would you react?
Depends on when they were replaced by Owen and Stephanie. If they got replaced when BND happened, then everything after that becomes a lot funnier.
I meant that from the end of beyond they got replaced with another pair of peter and mj.
We need shooter as editor to iron everything out
>MJ mentioned 60 times
>Felicia 27
Makes you think.
>>MJ mentioned 60 times
27
>Makes you think.
Fans simply love the prostitute side of MJ.
People talk about MJ more.
They love to talk about how she prostituted herself to Paul, Norman can have her next for all I care. Maybe they could even have kids together.
You're the only one droning like that you polish NPC
MaryWHORkekbros wishing she'd pick up Mjolnir and become a better superheroine.....
Why do you interact with the moron? Don't give him attention you imbecile.
At this point why not, jannies don't do jack shit.
You'll just make yourself angry while giving him the attention he craves.
If they decide to bring back Gwen back because of MJ sin then MJ gays will seethe much harder.
I am not the one who made MJ a prostitute go blame lowe and wells for that.
Why are the anniversary years so shit?
Wdym
I just want a single permanent W, Feliciabros. Is that so much to ask?
Its strange she doesnt even get one AU.
You knew this was coming
Yeah, and?
So it turns out that Wilson Fisk is the new White King of the Hellfire Club after a deal he made with Emma Frost. Will this plot point affect ASM and Gang War or will Kingpin be an X-Men character for the foreseeable future?
>Fisk
>King
Oh come on.
Will take so much time for the Storytime? I have seen some very bad quality pictures of the issue, and I want to know the details because I'm confused.
It's sad that stuff has only gotten worse since the 80s
>symbiote wants him
Make me think of that one artist with a love of "healthy" women that ships Peter and the Symbiote
whomst?
ameizing lewds
who?
That's the name
I just wanna know what's up with modern Spider-Man writers being so blatant about their cuck fetish
current comic writers are dyed hair creatures, incapable of masculinity.
Its genuinely strage how consistent its been
Brand new day writers are.
Wells is an irl cuck, so it makes sense.
>Wells is an irl cuck, so it makes sense.
Elaborate?
His wife kisses other men for her job, even gay ones.
Yo is Slott's Doc Ock fan fiction or art or whatever it was still available? I vaguely remember him basically having some Tumblr-looking (Tumblr nose) art of a Doc Ock that shows how blatant he self-inserted into Ock.
Also lol, Slott-trannies and Slott himself seethe over anyone calling out that page.
How to make marvel seethe.
They will never again be together MJ will always remain a cheater and Peter selling his marriage to Mephisto will remain canon.
See marveldrone.
It's over MJ gays the writers got what they wanted and what they wanted was to make Peter's life bad as possible.
did peter's friend wedding happen in this issue? or did it not happen/get interrupted?
>lowe hyping the mj story gets 11 likes
>repost asking for resignation gets 105
Lol ratio
Lowe should learn to shut up
This is why fanfiction is objectively superior to comics, you can write whatever you want and have it be your reality
Can somebody tell me what happened on Kraven and Goblin's part?
I saw a very bad quality picture of Spider-Man with what appears to be Green Goblin's eyes.
They frick
Yeah, I know that part, but what else? There's a page bugging me around Spider-Man with Green Goblin's eyes.
It seems she told him about a hunt and then talked about sins, and then it goes there.
OH, boy! Even at risk to sound too Star Wars... I have a VERY bad feeling about this.
He smiles too.
Kraven or Spider-Man?
Kraven.
You bring dishoneru onto Spiderman, Mahvel.
Put him back with MJ, like our animated movies and vidya games have.
The spider-man manga had the two togheter.Even had this page
Manga mj is hot
Being Black Cat is suffering
What did wells mean?
Venom's weird hatecrush on Spidey strikes again lol
>there's spider-boy x black cat porn
>no mj and paul
Says it all.
oh no if only there was a /ss/-addled artist who'll take anything she can use, and likes capeshit to begin with
She done Cindy on Bailey yet?
Now Felicia is going to be a dyke wearing a black burka like in the PS4 game, it only took 10 years for them to destroy everything, now there's nothing left for Kevin Feige and the MCU to ruin
Felicia's been with women for a while.