At what point in time did DC suddenly decide to make Harley Quinn one of the most important figures in DC???
She was just Joker's Girlfriend in the 2000s and a couple years later she becomes one of the most popular main faces of the universe. How? Why??
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Man if only media from that time existed that we can ecamine and find this mystery out ourselves but alas we can only speculate that it was entirely from Slate articles that praised Margot Robie's performance in the suicide squad.
DC saw how popular Deadpool was getting and realized Harely is close to him and just went with it
pretty much. she's dead pool without the things that make dead pool a good character.
Well I guess she got popular because she's a Batman character that showed up in a cartoon that a lot of kids watched.
After Arkham Asylum the video game came out and cons were filled to the brim with Harley cosplayers; this influenced how they would retool her with New 52 within the next 2 years(show more skin, corsets,flirtier, etc.)
Ding ding. Harley's Arkham Asylum redesign was when this all started. Then in fall 2011 we had New 52 Suicide Squad and Arkham City. It was all over from there.
At a point where they realized she is literally every white girl's power fantasy.
>being loose, childish, irresponsible, aggressive and getting praised for it
Arkham City is what really did it:
Reminder Jim Lee called Harley Quinn the fricking "4th pillar of DC" back in 2016
More like 2nd pillar
At this point he's kind of right. Normies only care about the Trinity and Quinn.
Even if you toss out Aquaman do normies really give a frick about Superman and Wonder Woman? I don't think they do on nearly the same level.
The real moneymakers for DC are Batman,Joker, and Harley.
>I don't think they do on nearly the same level.
That's idiotic, Harley can't come close to the same box office as Superman can. Superman's heaviest flops, like Returns, still clear Harley's best non-Joker outings by a pretty sizeable margin. Normies only want Harley when she's part of a crazy clown duo.
>Normies only want Harley when she's part of a crazy clown duo.
I think they'd be all for a solo edgeb***h film, not whatever the hell Birds of Prey ended up being
>I know it failed to make any money the last 3 times we tried it
>But THIS TIME it will!
Aquaman definitely not and Wonder Woman botched it by normies not really reading her comics. They only care about her in JL stories, not WW stories
Superman is still absolutely the second pillar. Hell it's baffling that they never made a Man of Steel 2 considering how much of a success and cornerstone it was for their movie series
..Or a new superman cartoon. Or game. In fact it feels like DC merches Superman off the idea of him rather than anything else you know?
>Or a new superman cartoon.
They did that and it's a surprise ratings hit, apparently? I haven't actually been able to verify it so by all means call bullshit and I'll believe it, but apparently Not-Anime got a lot more viewers than they were expecting.
Oh god I completely forgot about the new Superman cartoon. Oh yeah that was a hit wasn't it
that's a good step I guess. I still wish Rocksteady would've went ahead with the Superman game instead of whatever the hell Suicide Squad is looking to be
who would've thought that if you let people who know how to write adapt your heroes, you'll get quality products that put butts in seats and money in your pocket
God mr mxy was such a wienersleeve in this show
Anon, don't lewd the imp.
I will refrain from this behavior but i will not apologize i firmly stand by what i said
golly gee it's almost like people don't actually like muh grim dark snyder shit for super man or super heroes in general, that's why BTAS was great because it still had fricking heart, you need to have that balance of positive messages or it defeats the point.
cynical morons like snyder or moore will never understand the medium and just want "muh realism, muh dork and edgy muh gritty political drama"
>Hell it's baffling that they never made a Man of Steel 2 considering how much of a success and cornerstone it was for their movie series
Oh yeah no $600 off a $250 budget? oh yeah no totally it flopped bro
cmon
>they never made a Man of Steel 2
BVS is MoS2
>BUT!
cope
>man of steel
>good
the frick are you smoking? normies hated it.
where did I say it was good?
It was a success. It made a good profit for them. Just like SS.
2016 was also the March of Harleys on Halloween.
That's modest if anything she's the third
The DC trinity is Batman, Joker and Harley.
>Harley has been in 2 flops that lost 50 million and 170+ million respectively
>These are coincidentally the only movies without Joker.
I shit you not, Shazam is more successful. At least he had A movie that made money!
He's the president now.
Maybe he was on to something?
Jim Lee is a classic case of a guy getting promoted until he's no longer qualified for his own job.
DC doesn't even have a third pillar.
Wonder Woman
just say you hate women bro
She was a third pillar till they completely nuked it with WW2, the only other time I've seen a drop that hard from the previous entry is Alice Through The Looking Glass and TLJ. I'm talking in sheer financials of course, it being pants shitting awful is unrelated.
It's kind of funny because she doesn't fit when the quote was made(2016, before the WW movie was a surprise smash hit in 2017) or now (When Wonder Woman 2 just completely tanked to an absurd level and WW hasn't sold in anything since.)
There was this brief moment between 2017 and 2019 when WW was the most popular female hero objectively in monetary terms, and it just went poof. BUT, at least Wondy 2 made more money than The Suicide Squad, so she's still got that leg up over Harley!
after the BOOM that was SS can you blame him? WW movie wasn't even a thing
I dunno, when did women decide that victimhood is the ultimate power?
>loses to Ben 10
>"W-Well, at least I can still be the fourth pillar of-"
>loses that too to a loose clown psycho
Just ain't his day man...
At least he can beat up a kid to make himself feel better.
>Green Lantern
>Even having the slightest chance of being 4th pillar of anything when Flash exists
OH NONONONONO
FLASH BROS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE FOURTH PILLAR, HOW THE FRICK DID WE GET TAKEN OUT LIKE THIS
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Isn't this pillar shit based purely off of popularity?
I just like making fun of The Flash whenever I can
A FRICKING ATTOSECOND
I want a comic making fun of all this shitty inconsistent powerscaling by tryng to take it all into account simultaneously.
hold on I got one more funny left
AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FOURTH PILLAR BROS, HE'S QUICKER WHERE IT COUNTS
Isn't this the same comic where Green Lantern also jobs hard to Deathstroke?
I dunno but you reminded me of Tower of Babel where GL becomes blind because the ring sensed he had a nightmare
like what
>Just ain't his day man...
On top of all that, he got his shoes dirty when he stepped in loser that one time.
>ALIEN X SAMA PLEASE I BEG OF YOU, I KNEEL! I KNEEL!
>failsafe
>also left Alien X in another Timeline so he canonically fled first and lost
I accept your concede
>He canonically made Alien X not exist anymore
Yep, scissors ALWAYS win.
fake gif not canon can't hear you, go check the fridge for another one of your dead hookers Hal heheheh
>At what point in time did DC suddenly decide to make Harley Quinn one of the most important figures in DC???
Here
What is this from? Arkham Origins?
DLC for Arkham Knight
When people started buying her outfit and dress up as her for Halloween.
Friendless kids who watched TV in the 1990s wanted to coom to her when they grew. Then they grew up and did just that.
This would be my best guess
Honestly I feel like she's fallen off since the Birds of Prey movie and hooking up with Poison Ivy.
It was when they turned her design from a jester to an emo bawd in the Arkham games. But in the movies it's awful because they took away a lot of her defining characterization and relationships to make her just generically quirky.
One two punch of big success with Arkham Trilogy of games and a bonanza of merch and costumes thanks to Suicide Squad. With that and the twitter push they were sure Joker was holding the pair back and pushed her on her own thing.
In other news both of her movies of her getting over Joker flopped hard and Joker became the highest grossing R rated movie of all time on a 50 mil budget that they were so unsure about they split with 3 companies drastically cutting t heir money down and the whole company got sold off. They may have bet on the wrong horse in that race.
it says a lot that the sequel to Joker will have her be the second lead again. DC Studios know damn well Harley is just a meme
More like they're trying to leech off Joker in yet another attempt to spin her off and give her a push again because everyone wants that "Girl Joker". Best believe they'll announce a Harley solo movie before it even drops in theaters.
Oh, they tried. More comics, her own show, and TWO movies with her as the main focus in Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad 2.
Turns out that "Popularity" mostly hinged on the actual success of the pair who has never been in a movie that lost money, and she just cannot sustain interest without him.
Anon your logic sucks because one of those flops did have the joker sustaining her and it still flopped.
Well that's why we saw lots of shit with her. DC was just capitalizing on her popularity. She clearly has some kind of staying power if they are still using her after the flopped movies.
>. She clearly has some kind of staying power if they are still using her after the flopped movies.
Her next project is latching onto Joker again.
So, yeah, she has staying power so long as she's attached to objectively the most successful comic villain in history. Popular!
>important
Every movie she's been has floped or underperformed.
Games are only brought up for ass and breasts. Big fricking woop some bawd puts on clown makeup a corset and panties. Does that really make her important?
Every solo book of hers is ill relevant and and does not sell.
Only success you could even claim would be the cartoon.
The only popular version of Harley will always be as Jokers side peice.
Making her LGBTYOUWILLNEVERBEAWOMAN was DCs biggest mistake.
She's popular with women and coomers. They'd be idiots not to capitalize on her popularity. I just think it's funny she isn't even from the comics.
Arkham Asylum (video game) was the start when it got a big reaction, then Suicide Squad cemented it. New 52 probably helped with her gradual transformation into notDeadpool, but I don't think that's as much in the public consciousness.
People like Harley Quinn as an idea more than anything else
They like this crazy girl who does whatever she wants and is super hot but doesn't need no man and can kick everyone's asses but everyone loves her
Her comics I doubt sell well, her movies were flops, her show has been forgotten in mainstream eyes
People love Harley Quinn but don't give a shit about her storylines or anything.
This, it's the same as girls obsessed with Tinker Bell (if that's still a thing) who only spend money on merch
Oh yeah that's right, Disney tried really hard to make Tinker Bell into a thing in the mid 2000s I forgot
I distinctly remember seeing hot topics basically carrying a wall of Harley stuff after the first SS movie dropped
It all started with Arkham City, anon. That was the domino that ruined Harley forever and permanently warped her into a juggalo and first made her a hot item among basic b***hes, albeit in a more niche fashion. After that, it was threefold
>DC sees what Marvel is doing with Deadpool and decides to make Harley their Deadpool in the New 52. Harley becomes more popular and is now a juggalo bawd in comics.
>In order to divorce her from the Joker, writers make her edgier, gayer for Poison Ivy and give her a female empowerment narrative coming to a head in the Death of the Family storyline. Harley becomes more popular and a feminist symbol.
>DC makes Suicide Squad and casts bombshell Margot Robbie as Harley, borrowing heavily from her now established Juggalo designs. This is the final nail in the coffin. The combination of being played by a hot white girl everyone wants to bang, being a kooky crazy lolsorandumb empowered bawd who is getting over her bad boy ex and becoming an independent woman and the ease with which her costume could be cosplayed completely shatters the collective female conscious. Harley Quinn has now become the most popular female capeshit character ever.
Her secret? More "admirable" characters like Wonder Woman are not actually the female power fantasy. Women don't want to be strong. They don't want to work. They don't want to make heroic choices.
At their core, women want to be adultchildren who go wherever they want, say whatever they want, do whatever they want and frick whoever they want without consequence or judgement. They want to be better and more special than everyone in the room. They want to be hot and sexy and the centre of attention at all times. They want to be praised constantly and treated like goddesses by everyone they meet, and they want to bash in the heads of creeps, incels, mean b***hes and anyone else who tells them they're not the centre of the universe.
That is the female power fantasy, and that is Nu-Harley.
Arkham City? Not Arkham Asylum?
Also
>Margot Robbie
>bombshell
Americans have weird beauty standards.
>Not Arkham Asylum?
No, Arkham Asylum was a one off and the nurse thing didn't hit as well. Arkham City's biker chic juggalo is what really kickstarted the descent into Nu-Harley and captured the interests of women.
Not only was she easier to cosplay, but she was also a leather clad alt girl who was much more frickable and, therefore, more likely to draw interest from women
>Americans have weird beauty standards.
"2/10 wouldn't bang hehehe"
I'm not pretending. It's just that in my country's imageboards, when Suicide Squad was coming out, both Margot Robbie and Kara Delevigne were memed for being creaturas. I think they're kinda hot but Margot has a fat-looking face, and Delevigne has an odd appearance. Definitely wouldn't call them bombshells or supermodels.
OK Paco.
Tru.
Arkham Asylum still had Alreen Sorkin.
Akrham City gave us Tara Strong...Nu Harley
jessica nigri cosplayed asylum harley with her breasts out
that was the tipping point
aside from the animated series, that's when harley's name got out there
Now that's a name I haven't heard in almost a decade
ah, the very moment comic fans first heard her name (and bosoms)
I first heard of her when she cosplayed that e-girlpop Chainsaw girl
>Not only was she easier to cosplay, but she was also a leather clad alt girl who was much more frickable and, therefore, more likely to draw interest from women
Son't even need the costume anymore
I mean, you're not wrong
are we really pretending Margot Robbie is suddenly "actually not attractive at all UMM, I have higher standards you know?"
Being a contrarian is not an interesting personality
>are we really pretending Margot Robbie is suddenly "actually not attractive at all UMM, I have higher standards you know?"
Margot was hot in SS but extremely ugly in BoP
I have no understanding what the costume design direction was for that film. It's like grunge meets Hot Topic that vommitted into a garbage can.
>I have no understanding what the costume design direction was for that film
The aesthetic was called "this is a feminist movie somehow and that means absolutely everyone must be ugly as shit and wear garish rags, so that not a single straight man will be aroused by anybody in it".
>garish
she's a clown bro
I was aroused by her fit
No you weren't.
I want to have sex with harley quinn
this guy does not believe that for some reason, probably because of tiktok or andrew tate
Not with BoP HQ you don't. BoP HQ is a literal 0/10 uggo and has absurdly bad clothes. I'm not goinng to accept what you claim, you're justs saying wrong things to try and make me mad. I reject your lies.
>mummy the clown is dressed to silly for me! I am upset
okay moron
this honks my horn
No offense but who the frick about the clothes? It's Margot Robie, I'm already imagining without clothes.
>When journalist Irina Aleksander brings up the difference in Harley Quinn's costumes on Birds of Prey versus Suicide Squad, costume designer Erin Benach (A Star is Born) attributed it to the female-led creative team, saying, "That’s what happens when you have a female producer, director, writer." Robbie chimed in to say, "Yeah, it’s definitely less male gaze-y."
>"That’s what happens when you have a female producer, director, writer."
Lmao
Yeah, that's the lesson to learn right there. Never let women do it.
So, less "male gaze-y" is giving the women the most unappealing outfits imaginable? No wonder WB is in financial trouble.
men: wow harley quinn is kinda sexy we should make her outfit sexy
women: wow harley quinn is cool but also a clown we should make her outfit cool and clowny
>entirely lesbian women: harley needs to get her pussy ate on screen or whatever
>entirely gay men: why do people like harley quinn her clothes are so ugly
It's literally just "make sure no man likes this". That's that movie's whole logic, that's feminism in a nutshell. It's not pro-women, it's just anti-men.
>being a kooky crazy lolsorandumb empowered bawd who is getting over her bad boy ex
It's funny but all of that was introduced AFTER her major successes. Both Arkham City and Suicide Squad had her firmly head over heels for Joker, and that was the main appeal that made it such a popular halloween costume for couples. The pair sold their best when they were the fricked up couple, and Suicide Squad even had Joker be the one who went to save her just to sell the whole idea. It was only afterwards they decided it was time for a Strong Independent Harley who don't need no Joker, and wow kaboom it flops like crazy. Meanwhile Joker didn't need her to have a roaring success.
I can't tell if you mean Suicide Squad 1 or not, since Joker doesn't appear in BopFlop or Box Office Suicide 2. SS 1, despite being critically maligned, was a huge surprise hit. It was tracking for 500 million at the highest, and it cleared 700 million. People shit on it but it was a massive success, Joker just does not miss.
Oh see that's why your logic sucks, you're shitposting and pretending box offic returns are the only thing that matters about art and storytelling. By all means continue to use how much money a movie makes as the sole judge of quality.
>you're shitposting and pretending box offic returns are the only thing that matters about art and storytelling
Considering we're talking about Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad 2, fricking duh. All of those movies are idiotic, badly written and badly made hunks of garbage. Genuinely not a single actual thing artistic about any of them.
We're talking about popularity, which is easily measurable, if you want to talk about how good or bad the movies are then maybe don't bring it up in a discussion of 3 equally hot garbage dumpster fires, you dumbass.
>Considering we're talking about Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad 2, fricking duh
I'm not and neither was OP, we're talking about the character Harley Quinn.
>I'm not and neither was OP
I realize the pretty colors are distracting so I'll post one without any so you can read.
> and a couple years later she becomes one of the most popular main faces of the universe. How? Why??
For a guy who just tried to jack himself off over art and storytelling it's pretty telling you missed a direct fricking question asked by OP.
Why are women judged for liking Harley Quinn but men aren't judged for liking Deadpool?
Deadpool isn't a power fantasy. Men are judged for being super into Batman and shit like that.
As far as I see it, they don't try to turn Deadpool's vices into virtues.
>Why are women judged for liking Harley Quinn
Harley Quinn is basically the opposite of what any woman should want to be.
>any woman should
cringe tatebro
le reddit tradwife
It's true. Having Harley as your self-insert is like unironically idolizing Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. You're worshiping the worst traits of your sex.
you know why Joker did so well though right?
he's painfully relatable to any moderately unfortunate or introverted person
everyone sees some bit of them in his fricked up self and empathizes with it
it's very human.
>harley is a power fantasy (for women I guess) because she gets to do whatever the frick she wants, everyone wants to be outwardly psychotic
>having a demographic is not automatically pandering though...
>you know why Joker did so well though right?
>he's painfully relatable
Yeah but you're not supposed to want to BE him. That's the point. No man is supposed to want to be the pathetic schitzo who lashes out against the world. Just like no woman is supposed to want to be the irresponsible violent ADHD prostitute that is Margot Robbie's Harley.
you're supposed to have already been him
>"he's literally me"
like gosling from tiktok :^)
Who says they arent? Deadpool fans are some of the most judged fans out there i cant interact with someone who calls themself a deadpool fan without expecting them to sperg out and quote the shitty video game or the annoying second movie
Good deadpool media isnt a power fantasy unfortunately most of it is
He is le funny meme guy that breaks the 4th wall and does what he wants and his annoying fans try to be like that
>He is le funny meme guy that breaks the 4th wall and does what he wants
But then he gets punished in increasingly gruesome ways because it's funny to watch him be silly and get ripped in half for it, like a looney tune.
Sure, he survives it, but almost all deadpool media involves him getting blown to bits or stabbed or shot or exploded in some fashion. Harley lacks that because obviously someone can't just swing a pipe into her face for "Talking too much", actual thing that's happened to Deadpool on multiple occasions. Same reason Rey is such a shit character because the universe will just up and fricking delete weapons before she has to suffer a single consequence to any choice she made.
And yet people eat it up because getting torn in half stabbed shot blown up and still standing saying his le funny meme shit is the power fantasty
Although you are completely right about the rest
true but he's never allowed to be happy unlike harley who is literally given anything and everything at the drop of a hat.
Deadpool kinda lost some of his popularity over the last few years, which is really fricking strange because he used to print money and I was sure he'd be one of the few characters with remaining appeal. Maybe he really is too raunchy for Disney? Maybe he only ever truly appealed to the edgy 2000s crowd and we all mistook that for genuine lasting power?
man did Disney and DC did just absolutely poison the well for cape shit and comics in general when even manga can do cape shit better you know your just fricked, I heard the deadpool manga was well received which makes it even funnier.
maybe if they actually knew how to appeal to boys and men they'd sell but nah gotta push garbage out by the truck road because god forbid we don't know how to do anything unless we copy what japan does, it's genuinely sad they don't understand why their shit isn't selling despite being told over and over again how it could be written better.
oh well, you reap what you sow.
ywnbj
I'm not even a weeb I'm just stating fact they just can't sell books anymore, there's frick all western comics at LCS's because nobody's buying them because they are shit and have been shit for the better part of 2 decades because they have an arrogant narrow minded "too big to fail" world view.
the boys is proof that there's still demand for it and the whole "super hero fatigue" is a copium myth, people aren't sick of heroes people are sick of bad writing.
It's the lull in movies. He hasn't had one for half a decade.
I don't know if I agree with your assessment of women at large, but I will say that changing Harley into the independent strong boss b***h archetype kind of misses the point of her character where she had redeeming qualities but her love for Joker always kept her from realizing that in the long run.
She was very popular in the 90's and 2000's from her depictions on BTAS. She was a great character in that. Most reincarnations since then have been kinda shitty imo.
She's easily merchandisable, seriously she's gotta be the most Hot Topic-bait character to ever exist..
This isn't base on any statistic at all, just my personal musings and vague estimates. I think that in current year, for better or for worse, these are the top 10 most popular and well-liked cape characters among the current generation, i.e. the ones that people resonate the most with.
10. Omni-Man
9. Thor
8. Doctor Strange
7. Loki
6. Captain America
5. Iron Man
4. Spider-Man
3. Batman
2. Joker
1. Harley Quinn
You're heavily overestimating Joker and Harley. Nothing will EVER dethrone Batman and Spiderman from being the biggest popular capeshit in normie eyes
I'd say Iron Man has come pretty close now
You're moronic, bro, where's Wolverine?
I'd argue Iron Man has fallen off since public interest in Marvel films fell since Endgame
>where's Wolverine?
Wolverine hasn't been popular in more than a decade and it's entirely because Marvel decided to sabotage him on purpose and still, right now as we speak, is sabotaging him. Same for Punisher.
Iron Man's popularity was entirely carried by Robert Downey Jr. Take him away and Iron Man just becomes another tech genius character which are a dime a dozen in capeshit.
>Superman
>Wolverine
I just feel they haven't been relevant in years. Maybe that new cartoon gave Superman enough of a boost to be in the 8th place or something. But Joker and Harley are the ones zoomers truly relate to, and I'm not saying that to prop up the characters, that's just how I see it.
>I just feel they haven't been relevant in years.
that doesn't mean they aren't still popular and recognisable by zoomers. Know how many zoom zooms you see at the gym wearing Superman shirts?
>Harley are the ones zoomers truly relate to, and I'm not saying that to prop up the characters, that's just how I see it.
Zoom zoom like the joker "Because society" memes. But harley was mostly a late millennials thing.
>At what point in time did DC suddenly decide to make Harley Quinn one of the most important figures in DC???
Around 2011-2012 when Arkham City came out and everything with her since has been ripping off her design from that game.
No one cares about Harley. This thread reeks of the chronically online.
The saturation in the mainstream began with Suicide Squad. That movie made $749 million on a budget of $175m, and they determined it was surely because of Harley Quinn, because that movie doesn't have any other positive qualities. Then all the weirdos and feminists latched onto her like a hobo on a half-eaten hoagie. The current version fo her is a forced meme irl.
>. That movie made $749 million on a budget of $175m
The movie had no competition.
Jason Bourne(One week before)
Bad Moms(Also one week before)
Sausage Party(One week after)
Kubo and the Two strings(Two weeks after)
Pete's Dragon(Oh, Disney...) 1 week after
Ben Hur(There was a remake!?) 1 week after
And Finding Dory(Two weeks before)
Stuff COULD HAVE dethroned it, but it had a crazy good run.
No of those movies are competition. The one that actually mattered came out 2 weeks before which is Finding Dory. If it opened on the same day of Suicide Squad then SS would've been fricked.
>No of those movies are competition
>Jason Borune or Ben Hur isn't competition to an action film
>Sausage Party isn't competition to a comedy movie
Also not mentioned is Star Trek Beyond, which came out on July 22 and SS on August 5th.
But sure, Jason Boune and Star Trek Beyond didn't massively underperform and burn out their franchises while SS drastically overperformed, it's that the properties with huge overlap just didn't compete with each other, because. How lucky that people who like the action and comedy based Star Trek movies were totally different than the ones who like action and comedy based comic book movies.
You're fricking insane if you think those movies are real competition. It would've made the same with or without SS because capeshit took over the market of interest. You expect an animated movie like Sausage Party to make over 500 million?
Next time go directly up against a Marvel film and see how much I'll make.
>It would've made the same with or without SS because capeshit took over the market of interest
>The Jungle book was released on August 15th and went on to make over 960 million dollars at the box office
>The Secret Life of Pets was a surprise smash hit, grossing 875 million worldwide
But sure, for some reason, they still don't count. Suicide Squad still somehow had no competition. I don't even know if there is a goalpost anymore, the damn thing's moved past France d by this point at the minimum and is being interrogated for information in North Korea at worst.
>Using movies that didn't directly compete.
>Didn't address how if a Marvel film opened the same week, SS wouldn't make as much money.
So yes, it had no competition. No one in their right mind would think fricking Sausage Party is going to BTFO out of a capeshit in their 2nd weekend.
movies that didn't directly compete.
So now it has nothing to do with the fact it was a comic book movie, and now it's they "Didn't directly compete", unlike Star Trek, which didn't directly compete because Comic book movies took over(Except the two you just posted that came out within a month of the comic book movie that made more money than it)
>Didn't address how if a Marvel film opened the same week, SS wouldn't make as much money.
Yes because dealing with a hypothetical like that is pretty fricking stupid. How would one even go about proving that of course A Marvel movie like Dr Strange(Who made less money and also didn't compete against a DC movie or other marvel movie) would have meant this movie would make less movie? So much easier if you just pretend a hypothetical more popular movie would've meant it totally would make less money, instead of admitting "okay it was just a success in a fairly crowded market", but that's not as fun as playing pretend.
>No one in their right mind would think fricking Sausage Party is going to BTFO out of a capeshit in their 2nd weekend.
Jungle Book pulled it off and went on to make a shitton more money. But that also didn't count, because reasons!
I mean it's pretty simple why SS would've made money regardless, Joker was front and center in the marketing despite being barely in the damn thing. The movie directly before this with Joker in it made a billion dollars, and the movie directly after it with Joker in it made a billion dollars. If anything SS not having enough Joker kept it from the billion dollar club.
Jungle Book was fricking Disney of course it would make money and it didn't compete with SS.
The movie had no competition and had to deal with c-list movies with actual heavy hitters like Dory coming out a whole 2 weeks before.
You know what, I'm not even gonna look for the goalpost anymore, that shit hit mars around the second loop of comic book movie takes over market except Disney(But Pete's Dragon doesn't count even though it flopped), and just ask.
What competition did Dr Strange(Released the exact same year) have that prevented it from making as much money as SS?
>Pete's Dragon
No one saw that shit.
> Dr Strange
Mid movie with no where near the marketing hype.
>No one saw that shit.
But it's Disney of course it would make money!
>Mid movie with no where near the marketing hype.
So then if SS released at the same time as it, it would win? Same everything, since apparently both had 0 competition, that just means they'd win, right? Maybe make slightly less, but still a success?
Jungle Book had heavy nostgia and CGI specticle. No one knows who the frick Pete Dragon is. Would've flopped regardless. Like all the other Disney flops while their Marvel films are still making money.
>So then if SS released at the same time as it, it would win?
Frick no. SS dropped off because of shitty word of mouth. The average causal isn't going to watch fricking Kubo or Sausage party instead. If Doctor Strange was there they would've chosen that instead.
>SS dropped off because of shitty word of mouth
Near identical dropoffs actually.
>If Doctor Strange was there they would've chosen that instead.
But they didn't choose Dr Strange when there was no competition by your standards, and as a result its domestic total was almost 100 million less than Suicide Squad. Despite, you know, not having a 100 million gap in openings, obviously.
So if they would have chosen Strange over Suicide Squad in the hypothetical pretend you just did, why didn't they choose it in real life to the same degree? Pretty big conflict between what you just said and what happened.
I'm still confused as to why she was the one they picked to redeem.
Out of every female villain they pick a psychopath who is party to the deaths of thousands by helping Joker?
Nobody cares that she's a mass murderer?
She's not that in canon, outrage casual.
Famously clean hands Harley Quinn.
Lol so quirky
She's a white woman's power fantasy
She is in every canon.
>Suicide Squad/BOP/SS2 has an actual crime list that details her and Joker's acts, she's even a party to him murdering a dude at the beginning.
>Cartoon Harley helped Joker kill people Onscreen in addition to murdering a bunch of innocents all on her own.
>Comics Harley blew up a bunch of kids in a still canon story in addition to past jaunty murders.
Harley blew up a bunch of kids in a still canon story in addition to past jaunty murders.
What story?
Detective Comics #23.2
Still canon by the way.
>Harley blew up a bunch of kids
Detective Comics Vol 2 23.2 (2013)
Harley is practically a case study of the Jungian archetypes. Any half-competent writer would have her eventually break away from all her crutches and become a fully realized person at this point. Like, have her be an underground therapist for reformed criminals or some shit and actually stick to it.
Now that I think about it, didn't this happen in some comics somewhere? Or am I misremembering?
Is it blonde, pink, or blue?
Or is it all three?
people will mention the arkham games but completely ignore how big the injustice tie-in comic panel where she talks to Black Canary about hiding her kid from Joker blew up on Tumblr (which was huge at the time). serously essay upon essay about how her character should evolve from Joker, CBR articles came afterwards and so on.
Harley is hot and that's why
good metrics with women and punks
she sold more copies of arkham games to horny teens that the bat did
>you can't beat RESULTS
she's bigger than supes
>she sold more copies of arkham games to horny teens that the bat did
Which is why she absolutely soared when the bat and Joker got taken out of the equation in Harley Quinn:Birds of Prey(Actual title they changed it to)
Were you by any chance a producer of Warner Media sometime around 2018-2021? You know, before they lost so much money AT&T literally sold them for a bargain after all the wonderful financial decisions they made.
I may be involved in some of that yes
you'll never be able to prove or disprove that on the internet though
Most people would be happy their favorite got promoted to a flagship character. So ungrateful
It's a curse I tell you. They turned captain boomerang into like a drunk homeless guy. Where's the class? Id rather he go back to the pit of irrelevancy
>They turned captain boomerang into like a drunk homeless guy.
So an accurate portrayal of an Australian.
They should call him the outback dingaloo fricker or something, no reason to drag my man's name through the mud
I would assume people complaining about it are people who aren't fans of Harley and are annoyed that what used to be a D-list character gets top billing now.
Either that, or they're fans of the innocent, charmingly naive Classic Harley (pictured) who has entirely and possibly permanently been erased by the modern Juggalo prostitute Harley.
when you add the DC live action edge to stuff you get sex and violence, sorry to say. when you make cartoons for kids the characters are all innocent.
compare her to the joker, like the comics, movies, etc.? suggestion.
Harley has actual appeal to girls, and is like the only female character that has done it.
When some idiot decided she should be a "strong feminist character" despite being a mass murdering psychopath created to represent Stockholm Syndrome and domestic abuse.
the only answer
Harley Quinn is not popular. What the frick is this thread?
I wish that were true, Anon.
She's not though.
She has a cartoon, a bunch of comics, and that blond bimbo made her popular in movies. But at least that last one is over.
>She has a cartoon
So did Aquaman
>a bunch of comics
They barely sell.
>blond bimbo made her popular in movies.
Her solo movie flopped and made less than Sonic.
Comparatively she is I guess due to DC completely fricking up their other properties and giving her 3, THREE, starring movie roles. Literally more than Batfleck. Sure, 2 out of those 3 lost a frickload of money and managed to destroy sales on what was otherwise a pretty damn popular piece of merch with the costume, but she's pushed enough by now I'm sure more people know of her than they do Flash or Green Lantern. Sure, Shazam made more money in straight 1-1 bouts with BOP and SS2, but the exposure of a loose costume and one really successful movie probably put her far ahead of that guy.
She's not a draw on her own, she clearly needs Joker or Batman to carry her red shorts laden ass, but she's to say she's not popular isn't totally true.
old harley was better, she just doesn't work without the joker her being a generic le quirky sooo ran dumb carpet muncher just doesn't work and no ivy doesn't make it any better.
she's the worst part of her own show literally every other character is more enjoyable then her.
she is popular, but for the wrong reasons, she's genuinely awful there was a reason why everyone joked about her being the only girls Halloween costume for years, the only people who like that character have daddy issues.
this guy gets it.
People wanted to frick Margot Robbie and her Suicide Squad costume was an easy cosplay for costhots so they took that and thought it translated to broader popularity.
>She was just Joker's Girlfriend
She was joker's HENCHMAN. Nothing more.
Nope sorry, Joker saved Harley in SS, Hollywood deemed them lovers and a couple 🙂
>Hollywood deemed them lovers and a couple 🙂
Hollywood then spent 2 movies and lost over 300+ million dollars cumulatively(If not more, The Suicide Squad only made 167 vs a 185 million budget, and considering that's not marketing budget and they only got half the ticket sales...) insisting to the world they were sorry for pushing this heterosexual couple and Harley was a strong independent clown who don't need no Joker.
pic related was success and after ayer SS nu52 Harley was here to stay
>an ign review
ah yes, the pinnacle of trust worthiness!
plastic man is the fourth pillar of dc
wonder woman needs an animated series. her own BTAS. one that goes balls deep into her villains in all their campy glory.
>At what point in time did DC suddenly decide to make Harley Quinn one of the most important figures in DC???
When Quinn was outselling Wander Waman because millennials remember her from the Batman cartoon.
It it is weird Wonder Woman didn't get at least one solo show after the live action one in the 70s.
She had one planned in the wake of the animated movie that got shitcanned because the animated movie sold terrible compared to the other ones on release. It would have a decent staying power in the coming year and go from flop to mild success, but by that time they'd already figured that WW animated wasn't going to sell and moved on to developing what would eventually become the Green Lantern Animated Series to tie into their upcoming Green Lantern movie, as WW was still ice cold as far as movie prospects goes. Despite rumors of them cancelling it for yet more Batman, BATB being eventually concluded in favor of a darker batman had been decided wholly independent of that. Following WW's hit movie, they were pushing Justice League ahead, hence Justice League action for all that lasted, and after that Harley was the New Hot Thing.
Bad timing is all.
>She had one planned in the wake of the animated movie that got shitcanned because the animated movie sold terrible compared to the other ones on release.
What animated movie?
Some DTV thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_(2009_film)
She got another one later.
It was bad.
All the DC movies are pretty bad looking back.
were Halloween parties in 2016 really like this?
as someone who fricked 2 harleys yes they were
Why are you lying?
there was a few parties like that, it wasn't just a meme.