>Atlantis
>Treasure Planet
>Strange World
>Lightyear
Why do all disney scifi adventure films flop?
>Atlantis. >Treasure Planet. >Strange World. >Lightyear
>Atlantis
>Treasure Planet
>Strange World
>Lightyear
Why do all disney scifi adventure films flop?
Because normies only want Disney to stay in its fairytale musical lane. Just look at how Tarzan pisses theater kids off for being "Phil Collins sings over stuff" instead of a broadway musical style.
Because none of them can commit to being true blue adventure movies by virtue of being made by Disney so all the violence, danger and death get neutered . Atlantis was the closet we got and they still found a way to shoe-horn a princess into the film.
Exotic warrior princess of the lost civilization is a classic pulp adventure trope though.
True, but she should’ve taken her clothes off more
Kida (and Milo for that matter) took off as much clothes as is possible for a Disney film
Strange World's intro is blue balling as frick. We get a cool intro with the grandfather adventuring with a unique CG artstyle for one song then it drops it and transitions to a boring Solar-Punk world with generic CG animation.
this. the Disney branding never lends itself too well to adventure stories for kids coming of age because it has to constantly remind people they're watching a g-rated family movie.
Agreed. Even as a kid they felt toothless. It’s easy to lament their failures as 2D movies, but compared to the anime I was seeing on TV the excitement just wasn’t there. It felt patronizing, even.
What is a blue adventure?
This. Even their TV division gets cold feet if they go one toe over the line into something outside their wheelhouse. (Gargoyles, Amphibia) Marvel gets away with it because fans have expectations for what they want to see. Star Wars movies failed because they couldn't commit to being a war story, and instead went for trying to build Rey as a hero in record time while other characters did childish things (Poe prankcalling Hux).
You misread OP. He said true blue adventure.
Did this mean she frick Jim?
Now what in the absolute frick do you think, bucko?
Because Disney simply never dedicates themselves into actual different styles. "Disney sci-fi" is just the same old boring Disney stuff, with some extra paint, so it just leaves neither side (sci-fi and lame fairy tale crap) unsatisfied. They never fully commit to 1 thing, and that's why they always fail. There have been good sci-fi films. There has been good sci-fi animation. The films Disney makes have not been accomplished, independent, or strong identity-wise. And no, squatting on Star Wars does not magically make those films Disney. Star Wars succeeded because it was bold and new at the time.
Reminds me of that planned Disneyland expansion themed around 20,000 leagues, where it was super science fantasy and Jules Verne themed. It honestly looked really cool, at least from the concept art that's been floating around.
But same deal as those films. They didn't want to commit 100% to that aesthetic and I dont think they did anything else with that concept, beised Space Mountain 2000 in euro Disney
Dreamfinder and Figment actually came from one of the rides in Discovery Bay and Tokyo Disneysea has a full 20K land as its centerpiece. Also its cited as inspiration for all the SEA autism in the parks as of late.
All four movies are "boy" movies. Disney can't pitch to boys, period.
>All four movies are "boy" movies. Disney can't pitch to boys, period.
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Disney's fandom is mostly made of millenial women and zoomer teen girls. Boys in the 90s/2000s would rather watch Dragon Ball Z.
At least that's the case in my country, I'm not sure about Burguerland.
True. Disney has been seen as a "girly thing" for years now. I'm not sure how little boys nowadays think about the brand but there's no male equivalent to the "disney princess" brand
They can make boy movies ONLY when it's detached from "Disney" itself as a general thing. Toy Story and Roger Rabbit are obvious examples.
You know Disney can actually do it for its animated productions, they just absolutely refuse to do so.
IDK what my problem was, maybe I was too young, but when I first watched Atlantis I had a really hard time understanding what was happening in it.
Treasure Planet was much easier for me though still a little confusing, I got hung up on stupid stuff like how are the characters breathing in space. I watched it many times, though.
Don't fricking compare Atlantis and Treasure Planet to Strange World and Lightyear. KYS.
Right. Strange World is 10% more watchable than atlantishit
>Why do all disney scifi adventure films flop?
SciFi is a niche genre and it's a hard time making money, specially if it's animation instead of live-action slop like MCU or Transformers.
Atlantis had forced diversity shit. Just look at that motley crew. I loved the setting, design, and music though.
But otherwise it also had garbage marketing. Same with Treasure Planet. Also, neither had cute sidekicks/comic relief. Atlantis had the disgusting mole thing and TP had the annoying BEN.
Lilo and Stitch also had horrible marketing but had the marketable Stitch which is why it is remembered so fondly. And Emperor’s New Groove had Kronk and talking animals.
tl;dr: bad marketing and no cute or funny characters
Atlantis and Treasure Planet flopped because of them being released the same time as and were facing competition with Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings.
Idk why people say stuff like this. Movies dont automatically flop when released with major blockbusters. It was common to have stacked movie releases and a bunch of them make profit during the summer years ago.
People see fewer movies because admissions and concessions have both skyrocketed in price. Back in '96 my parents could go to the mall with a tenner and get two movie tickets and two burgers afterward on Tuesdays. A single general admission any day of the week at Cineplex owned theatres (the largest chain in Canada) is $17 before taxes. A month of Disney+ is a dollar less than ONE movie ticket.
Back in the 00s when those movies came out, tickets were creeping towards the $10 mark and theatres started seeing their share of the ticket revenue getting eaten up by studios. This in turn demanded higher prices for concessions making the total cost of a movie night for families more than double the cost of a weekend rental and eventually matching the price of buying a DVD.
I will never take this movie seriously ever again after watching that Tarzan gay porno
>all those movies are great
>flopped because Disney animation is a princess brand and these were sci fi animated epics
or maybe they didn't have songs.
also Gargoyles was another huge flop
If they advertised it to homosexuals then it wouldn't have flopped
No, Gargoyles was fricked over because the TV execs that were huge proponents of it in the "Let's turn Gargoyles into our own superhero universe instead of buying Marvel" strategy ended up leaving Disney with Katzenberg and the ones that replaced them dumbed the show down into the Goliath Chronicles.
>Atlantis
Because it feels too rushed for a single film. Nadia at least understood that if your going to explore such a concept with such a large cast, you should commit to a long form series.
>Treasure Planet
Its a slower paced film that wanted to be more mature and didn't resonate as much with its audience at the time who wanted more of Shrek and Emperor's New Groove.
>Strange World
Needed an actual villain and/or be better about the whole enviromentalist message. Also the artstyle shift feels bait and switch.
>Lightyear
The twist about the villain being an older buzz lightyear.
>Because it feels too rushed for a single film. Nadia at least understood that if your going to explore such a concept with such a large cast, you should commit to a long form series.
Nadia was bandied around so much during production that it changed the source material so many times (Around The World in 80 Days, 30,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Robinson Crusoe, mecha space opera) and somehow worked out.
>Its a slower paced film that wanted to be more mature and didn't resonate as much with its audience at the time who wanted more of Shrek and Emperor's New Groove.
Emperor's New Groove was actually a flop.
>be better about the whole enviromentalist message
remove it in the first place would've been a good start, or change it, like, a lot. It was beyond moronic, just like climate activists
Wall-E was a success
That’s Pixar when it was at its peak. The trailer even emphasized their past works.
Not really the same thing
Why not? You are limiting this only to pulpy adventure movies?
Pixar is not Disney
OP said Lightyear
Not an adventure movie like the four above.
They dont explore a new world nor is the film centered around adventuring
Only girls go to see Disney animated films and they want princesses not scifi.