how do the soldiers know how many times to say Atreiedes? it's a different number each time
I just know I'd be the one butthole saying it one time too many
the grey armor doesn't stick out, keeps production costs down, and looks "real" in the sense that it reminds people of contemporary military products. but it is a very timid choice stylistically
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That is just silly and not compatible with the visual medium of film. Who even came up with this shit? Space travel is possible through spice but the armor is still in the middle ages?
>That is just silly and not compatible with the visual medium of film
my friend if you think gleaming medieval armor is "not compatible with the visual medium of film" you are moron
I like the detail where they mention you need protective goggles where laser weapons are being used. Where is this from? Because I don't think even Herbert considered this when writing his book.
it would've been kino
I understand why they went for generic grey space marines but I don't respect it
That is just silly and not compatible with the visual medium of film. Who even came up with this shit? Space travel is possible through spice but the armor is still in the middle ages?
laser's which allegedly nuke a whole fricking field when they hit their shield which negates armor as a whole
2 months ago
Anonymous
oh, does the plastic grey armor stop nukes? what are you even saying
2 months ago
Anonymous
buy an ad gaygit
2 months ago
Anonymous
>allegedly
So far, every screen adaptation has dropped this silly concept because it is too silly.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It was an attempt to explain the importance of knowing melee combat even in a future with laser guns. Yeah it was executed poorly though.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I saw it as an awkward attempt at analogy to uncontrollable and destructive feedback loops, as that was a key theme that gets repeated several times in the book. The problem with the shield-lasgun feedback loops is everyone reading about it immediately thinks "frick yeah! How can I weaponize this?".
Thats armor from an era people used guns predominantly, you don't need armour that costed as much as a house to be invulnerable to blades, some shitty chainmail + gambeson was enough
>Who even came up with this shit? >designs are a hodgepodge of 17th 18th and 19th century armor, weapons and military dress >images tagged with @rifleinfantry
Who do you think?
What bugged me is why the heck the infantry use blades as their main weapon and not laser guns or other shit. It adds to originality but this is a futuristic setting, even the spaceships have guns and lasers.
>and not compatible with the visual medium of film
How do you do it? How do you say something this universally moronic but not realize how fricking moronic this would be considered across the universe before posting it? Astounding.
Cadged a lot of (you)s already and I’m super late to the party, but only bladed weapons work against dunc shields.
Lasguns technically work too, but they’re the nuclear option. And who amongst any toeing the line powers on this small dirt ball do you see using the big red button?
Higher tech would be effective, but the political cost would be ruinous.
Hence, in the age of kinetic shields, dune universe is back to fighting with sharp sticks.
Bit tangential but I wish they did more to emphasize how slowly a blade needs to move before penetrating the shields. Would make the fight choreography way more interesting seeing intense, fast, staccato movements rapidly decelerate to near slow motion before making a killing blow. They kind of did it but not nearly as good as it could have been. Everything looks too fumbling, with not much in the way of finesse.
Yeah, I would have preferred they amped up the gore. Also, the Sardaukar were massacred in the final battle (because of the worms I suppose) so I wanted to see carnage on the level of the Battle of Cannae. Wasn't going to happen because this was a corporate product, but still, would have been kino.
Anyone else find it weird how historically everyone stopped using armour even though a lot of casualties were due to bayonets and swords till pretty late on and cavalry armed with lances was a thing uptil ww1
Colonels had to pay for their regiment's uniforms and equipment.
No colonel on earth would've paid for handmade steel armor to protect his drunken moron footsoldiers.
Had through it had to come down to cost if it was cheaper to just hire more soldiers and buy another musket then I can't see that anyone would be buying armour
Long firearms eclipsed armour technology in the 1500s, cavalry continued to wear armour up until the 1800s as being shot on horseback was less likely, but eventually rifling in firearms made wearing armour and relying on your enemy missing obsolete as well.
Advances in other technologies like suspension systems for wagons, and better horse breeding made logistics a lot faster. It quickly reached a point where supplies could get to the front before armoured infantry did.
Armour was dropped for infantry because of the greater emphasis on manoeuvrability - getting from A to B on foot faster than the enemy - and even in pike formations soldiers carried their own privately-bought pistols that could punch through armour at close range.
Combat wasn't the leading course of casualty anyway, it was disease and infection (chiefly from latrines and food preparation rather than injury), so when the opportunity came to cut the expense of armoursmithing every military did it.
Ultimately a heavy infantryman is slower to get to the battlefield and has the same life expectancy as an unarmoured infantryman who is a lot faster.
Armour is only just making a return in the last century. First helmets were re-issued but they wouldn't do shit against gunshot; they protected the head from falling debris chucked up by artillery. Despite significant advances in steel metallurgy, modern armour isn't steel, it's a composite of boron carbide ceramic, and polymers such as kevlar and dyneema (UHMWPE).
Even then modern armour isn't bulletproof: it has metrics called NIJ grades which determine how effective that armour is at protecting the wearer from specific calibres and shot loads within specific distance ranges.
Many modern soldiers will ditch armour if given the opportunity, especially in the Afghan war where British soldiers commonly only wore the front plate, halving the weight.
TL;DR: moving fast was more important and you'd be clapped with a pistol or shit your life out anyway
A question I'd pose to /k/ would be: how would you envision a technology like Dune's shields being implemented? Either in the modern world, or in a far future setting. Ignore the laser-shield reaction. Pretend it doesn't exist.
Consider how things might play out if the shield tech was not easily proliferated (if it were either extremely expensive to manufacture, or a trade secret)
Armour survived in calvary up until the mid XIX century not because "calvary is less likely to get shot as" and more because calvary were the elite force of European armies since the fall of Rome until the Franco Prussian war
The reason infantry stopped wearing armor was the fact that poor people had shields and chainmail which was not effective against guns, plate armour absolutely was able to stop protect against small arm fire until the invention of bolt action rifles with actual bullets
2 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure that French cuirassier breastplates were tested before they were issued by firing a pistol at them at medium range. Also don't forget heavy cav has to fight other cav and therefore the armour helps in a melee
I think artillery was the biggest killer in wwi, maybe in wwii and in the current war in ukraine.
Europeans stopped using shields because plate armor was so effective. However, shields remained in use outside of europe for a longer time. There are accounts from british officers that the shields used by marathas were resistant to pistol shots and even to long distance musket balls.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I think after a certain point in western history arty has always been the the biggest killer (in terms of combat causalities and not disease), there's a reason why it's called "the king of battle"
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'd argue artillery has been the king of the battlefield since the advent of indirect fire, which was actually a lot earlier than anyone truly realises. If you had the connections and funding to import or manufacture a mortar, any castle was immediately obsolete.
Probably from the Anarchy (1138-1153) onwards the writing was on the wall that gunpowder was the future and castles were no longer impregnable fortresses that could only be defeated through siege.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Good point, artillery became massively important in sieges, at least since 1453 when ottomans took constantinople. It took a bit longer for them to become useful in field battles. I think it was gustavus adolphus who really revolutionised how field artillery was used in pitched battles. Napoleon of course was an artilleryman as well.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What would happen if personal or fortification shields that made anything but the absolutely largest calibers harmless? >Ex: a direct hit from a howitzer shell would be enough to kill an individually shielded fighter, simply through inertial shock. But a small arms, heavy machine guns and shrapnel would be harmless. Even overpreasure from explosions would be filtered/dispersed. >on a vehicular or fortification level, it would take something like direct hits from naval guns to have an effect.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I think artillery would cause like 90% of casualties instead of around 70-80% as they now do in ukraine. However, infantry would still be needed to occupy territory.
2 months ago
Anonymous
There was gunpowder used in the Anarchy? Bit early I'd have thought
Good point, artillery became massively important in sieges, at least since 1453 when ottomans took constantinople. It took a bit longer for them to become useful in field battles. I think it was gustavus adolphus who really revolutionised how field artillery was used in pitched battles. Napoleon of course was an artilleryman as well.
Interesting question of class there, inf are peasants, cav are aristocrats, but gunners are from the middle class because they have to actually know something
2 months ago
Anonymous
During the Malay Emergency (1948-1960) the Orang Asli fought with spears, knives, blowguns, and rattan shields, which were shockingly effective in ambushing British soldiers. Allegedly, rattan shields could stop bullets.
However I'd posit that this was due to the environment and British firearms at the time, which had largely shifted to submachine guns with fast-burning loads and light shot because that's just what was common and seen as suitable for a jungle environment post-WWII.
Fast and light shot is actually not great at shooting accurately through dense brush; it skims off leaves rather than punching through them and quickly loses momentum and thus stopping power. I can easily see a British squaddy firing 9x19mm from a Sterling SMG getting stuck in a rattan shield after it's done a few score yards through brush.
Slower and heavier shots like .45-70 perform much better in those conditions, pushing foliage out of the way rather than skipping off it or punching through, hence "brush guns".
>a lot of casualties were due to bayonets and swords
Wrong
Bayonets were more a psychological weapon on the offensive, and primarily used defensive to ward off cav
Swords were mainly used by cav (defeated by squares and the threat of bayonets) and they only hurt fleeing troops (frick em) or other cav, of which some were indeed outfitted with armour.
Nobody is going to go to the cost of providing armour to troops for basically nil gain when that cash could be used to raise more dudes, which would have far more impact. Not to mention the damn weight and then required training to get the troops back to previous standards to compensate
Jodorowsky's Dune did irreversible damage to how the aesthetic of the book is meant to be interpreted. Now pretentious losers think that if your design for the world isn't over the top ludicrous, it's not real dune
>armies of flamboyant homosexuals representing the varied and mutually hostile fashion houses of the known universe do battle to control production of the spice malachite, the essential component of eye shadow
I wouldn't say this, but it helped raise the expectation which was horribly and intentionally subverted with Dunc.
I mean it might be the sole reason they made it.
You're not going to want to hear this, but everything except the Harkonans are portrayed exactly as described in DUNC, albeit with more of a sci fi slant. Definitely more accurate than the other adaptation.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're a lying bastard or a troll.
i've read the books, and seen the trailers.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So where is the supposed subversion?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about the brewed expectation for amount of detail deserving to Dune and how it was subverted with the minimalist approach.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Amount of detail deserving to dune? Based on what, general vibe?
2 months ago
Anonymous
See
Jodorowsky's Dune did irreversible damage to how the aesthetic of the book is meant to be interpreted. Now pretentious losers think that if your design for the world isn't over the top ludicrous, it's not real dune
2 months ago
Anonymous
>General vibe
What lol
Intricate costume design, laborious and articulate cinematography, creative depictions of the inner monologues which are usually rule breaking in cinema, maybe even shot on actual film instead of digital to give it an old feeling. I'm talking about attention to detail instead of the flat palate, minimalist set and costume designs.
Dunc is mass produced blockbuster slop, not an artistic venture which is what it deserves as a monumental pillar of science fiction novels. Jodorowsky tried to reach its heights, and he surpassed it beyond all measure, even rewriting the story entirely toward the end of the first book/film. Much of his pre-production and team building went into the Lynch production which brought it back down to Earth and arguably underdelivered in terms of story depth accuracy.
The miniseries set out to rectify that and fill in all the missing bits, but with less budget. Both are honorable attempts to give service to the books, but this Dunc abomination is a complete fricking travesty, a total disrespect, which maybe that's what it deserves. It's just sad if you're a genuine fan of the books.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Intricate costume design doesn't make a movie better, and source material quality doesn't correlate with intricacy of the costumes. You sound ridiculous
I understand the point you think you are making, but you can't even get yourself to lie and pretend the movie is bad, just say "well the cinematography isn't as good as it should be for such a very very good book!"
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, you put the same effort from Dunc into LOTR, and get back to me.
It's one fricking department among many that all work together. You go weak on one, and it brings the others down. You go weak on all of them, and you have uniformity, but it's weak on the whole.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anon the fricking point is that you are trying to quantify "effort" like its some quantifiable number, when that's absolutely asinine and it's ridiculous to say.
How are you quantifying effort in the context of Lord of the Rings compared to dune? Whether or not the film was "given an old feeling"?? Whether it has a "minimalist palate"?? Again, you are going off nothing but general vibes. Nothing real.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Did you know there were a team of 2 guys that for 3 years all they did was make plastic chainmail by hand for LOTR?
2 months ago
Anonymous
And that's what makes Lord of the Rings good? If Dune had the costumes sewn together with the directors pubes, would that have made it good because of all the le effort?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>And that's what makes LOTR good?
It all adds up.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No it doesn't, that's not how movies work
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are gay, and you like men.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Point to me on your daddy's butthole where he touched you. Feel free to put the finger inside to point deep.
Jodo's thinking was that the main characters are aristocrats from the future, so if aristocrats from the past already had extravagant and colorful costumes, makes the sense that future aristocrats will also have an exotic look
he was right of course, david lynch tamed of these aspects but villememe went full boring autist
It's a unique style and is a creative take on the universe. Nothing more than that. There is absolutely zero reason it should influence future adaptations if that's not what the film maker wants to do
I have no idea why Cinemaphile nuthugs him so much. He's clearly just an insane israelite that surrounds himself with vastly more talented people (like Moebius).
Who cares about whats described in the books? I only care about kino designs which could improve upon the source material and have the guts to make their own thing like Lynch did
it would've been kino
I understand why they went for generic grey space marines but I don't respect it
Sad that it a random deviantArt account can mog a $350M movie so easily.
Now this is some Warhammer 40 000 tier shit. It looks cool on paper but I dont't think that these would work in live action, they're just a little too out there. Maybe in animation.
I hated these armors at first. They're still boring looking, but I get the idea behind them, practically.
it would've been kino
I understand why they went for generic grey space marines but I don't respect it
These would've unironically been far better. I can't take Dune too seriously, and the story isn't that fascinating, so give me some ballsy costume and set design at least. That's what Lynch's Dune did well. It looked interesting enough to ignore the flaws.
What nobody here seems to understand is that it's not a sci-fi movie but a political thriller hidden underneath a sci-fi coat. It's incredible how stupid some people are who've been fed propaganda for childbirth on
No it's not. It's a successor of the atreides coming out as a harkonnen bastard enduring a journey through the desert of death nobody thought he would survive. And that's coming from my right elbow you Black person
>>No it's not. It's a successor of the atreides coming out as a harkonnen bastard enduring a journey through the desert of death nobody thought he would survive
>all these replies
it's a special effects movie, you fricking idiots
that's why the Harkonnen ornithopter shotgun gets more screentime than the emperor of the universe
The leaders attended a PowerPoint meeting
But really ships always have a minimum crew so they just hold some low level pilot at knifepoint and tell them what to do. There's no way they are getting paid enough to say no. Same with the radio guy for cross ship communication, getting orders from skinny protagonist guy
Haven't seen DUNC2 but I heard someone saying that they cut out the part at the end where Paul reveals his plan to destroy all the spice if the Guild & Emperor don't give in to his demands.
Wouldn't that mean the Guild just ferries the Fremen jihad across the galaxy for no reason then?
...How the frick are they even getting out of Arrakis' orbit without the Guild?
For that matter, how the frick are they getting off Arrakis when the climax of Dune has half the great houses' armies in orbit waiting to swoop in and crush the Fremen uprising?
>...How the frick are they even getting out of Arrakis' orbit without the Guild?
you've heard the phrase "he who controls the spice, controls the universe" your whole life and still don't get it?
the spacing guild doesn't give a frick who's emperor, they will bow to whoever. They need spice to maintain their caste and for the navigators to survive. whoever controls Arrakis is their master
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what he's asking. He's talking about the changes to the story in the movie that make no sense.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It makes perfect sense. You just got an explanation
2 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't seen the movie. It sounds like they changed the ending to where he doesn't threaten to destroy the spice, but he says he is going to take the fight to the imperium which doesn't happen in the books at least until the God Emperor.
2 months ago
Anonymous
it is a very explicit plot point in the new movie
for them finding the atreides nukes
and paul openly threatening to use them on spice supplies in order to assume control
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ok then why would he send his forces off planet to weaken their numbers
2 months ago
Anonymous
He’s not sending them off planet, the great houses landed their armies on Arrakis and the Fremen are going to battle them. Idk why they’re just getting in ships and flying on over with no battle plan though.
2 months ago
Anonymous
weaken whose numbers?
theres more than a few factions
The remaining Imperium isn't "happy" about Paul assuming control.
And they do have "some" remaining spice in storage, but no means of production.
Theoretically they could use remaining spice stores in clandestine cooperation with the guild who would still rationally "openly" side with Paul.
Paul is his pursuit to minimize destruction, opts for immediate suppression of the other Houses to minimize economic damage.
He "could" theoretically wait them out, but may object to the mass suffering.
And doesn't have a direct or full understanding of their capacity to resist him.
Most importantly, Paul has ascended, and lost control over his own spiritual image.
He has done the impossible and conquered the universe just as prophesied.
He could not contain the fremen even as the messiah without causing more suffering or undermining his own position.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It wasn't "Prophesized." He assumes control of the Fremen by way of the Bene Gesserit having pre-planted a religion seed like they do on all various worlds in case they find themselves stranded. They use religions like a resource cache to manipulate the people in times of emergency. It comes naturally to Paul because of his training.
He is simultaneously perceived as the supreme being designed by the Bene Gesserit, but Paul learns their scope of the situation was limited, and it was actually Paul's son that would experience the transformation from being the pinnacle of genetic constructions.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That is the cynical interpretation most heavily emphasized by the film.
But they do also imply, that the prophecy they spread is in fact ambiguously a reflection of their own deep religious convention.
They themselves believe in this prophecy.
It is the whole point of their eugenic mission.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It sounds like in the film the stronk women are the ones that realize it and try to go against it
2 months ago
Anonymous
The Reverend Mother objects and opposes Paul because he is was intended to be female, and mate with Fayd Rautha to create the Kwisatz Haderach in a way where he would be genetically predisposed and vulnerable to the suggestion of the Bene Gesserit.
Because he is a man (born of Jessica's true love for Leto), he is uniquely defiant and capable of entering mental/spiritual psychospaces the Bene Gesserit are too weak or unwilling to go.
Paul is his own man, and not manipulable by any power other than his own will.
2 months ago
Anonymous
yes...
I'm talking about the few fremen that are apparently talking about how the religion is fake or whatever.
So it's just the men that appear manipulated by religion.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Chani's feministic portrayal is unlike the books, where Fremen polygamy is normalized and accepted.
Paul actually adopts the family and wife of Jamis as his own before wedding Chani.
There are plenty of religiously fanatical women in the movie.
They just aren't shown to be active characters.
The regular fremen though, do have their own doubting factions about Paul, which then fade as he becomes more a successful messiah.
The Chani is a little obvious, but also not terrible.
It's definitely an extension of the films more cynical perpsective on Paul's religious bearing.
Becoming a messiah, is in conflict with Denis's and contemporary Western civilization's perception of love as egalitarian.
He cannot be God, and love a mortal as an equal, as they would argue.
Paul's dynamic with women in general is very central to the book.
He is a spiritual hermaphrodite, union of male and female, very primitively cosmological across a lot of major Earth religions.
Like Odin he uses magic, which is feminine in nature.
Even his relationship with Jessica has significant oedipal undertones.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Some women are NPCs. >They expect some of us in the wreckage.
Yeah, it sounds pozzed.
It doesn't sound like a cynical approach to the religious bearings. It sounds like israelite propaganda propping up women to be anti-religion.
Obviously the book is anti-religion, so I guess it doesn't matter. It should be destroyed.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Paul is his own man, and not manipulable by any power other than his own will
so it was by his own will that he drank a bottle of worm piss lolololololololololol
so this is the power of the lisan al-gaib
2 months ago
Anonymous
>so it was by his own will that he drank a bottle of worm piss lolololololololololol
yes
that is the moment where Paul decides he will be the messiah
2 months ago
Anonymous
More like the pissiah amirite
2 months ago
Anonymous
So why do they try to overthrow him in the very next book, then?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The Guild can only see one step in the future vs Paul who can see 1000 miles ahead. They can only react in the moment.
The point is that everyone is certain Paul is bluffing but the potential consequences are so great that they can't take even the slightest chance that he isn't, particularly since the Fremen have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain from destroying the spice and won't hesitate to do it if Paul tells them to.
He doesn't threaten to destroy all the spice, that part is totally removed. Instead he says he'll nuke the most significant spice harvesting fields.
The point is that everyone is certain Paul is bluffing but the potential consequences are so great that they can't take even the slightest chance that he isn't, particularly since the Fremen have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain from destroying the spice and won't hesitate to do it if Paul tells them to.
>absolutely nothing to lose
Not true. They're addicted to spice and would die from the withdrawals without it. They should be aware of this, but even if they somehow, impossibly, do not, Paul certainly does know. Granted, in the movie he's only threatening to destroy certain harvesting fields.
In the book the Spacing Guild is present at the duel where Paul deposes the Emperor. Paul threatens to nuke the desert and kill the worms, crashing the Imperium with no survivors. Everyone thinks he's bluffing except for Edric who is a Guild senior navigator, and is also prescient from his spice habit (although far less prescient than Paul). Edric briefly looks into the future and realises that Paul is 100% not bluffing, although Edric doesn't realise that Paul isn't going to nuke the worms, he'll kill them by terraforming Arrakis, by which point the Guild will be disenfranchised by Paul anyway.
Edric cuts a deal with Paul to give the Fremen transport to battlefields as long as Paul doesn't nuke Arrakis in order to protect the Guild's monopoly on transportation, accidentally playing into Paul's hand as Paul was never going to nuke Arrakis and was always going to disenfranchise the Guild anyway (which Paul actually never does because he gets cold feet and his son Leto II finishes the job).
Villeneuve cut this out because it's a bit too hard to present without introducing Edric in Dunc 1, having a B plot over the Spacing Guild, and making the final scene of Dune 2 even more complicated than it is already.
Instead we get a radio transmission from the Landsraad saying they reject Paul's ascension to the throne and Paul says cowabunga it is.
Lol, you're a wikipedia speed reading posing homosexual or bad memory. Edric, a mutated Navigator, was not present in book one at all - some nameless non-mutated Guild representatives were there instead. Paul does threaten to nuke the worms but create some chain reaction with the pre-spice mass/water of life or some shit like that - I cannot remember the specifics but it's an ecological chain reaction, not nuking shit. The Guild representatives realise Paul isn't bluffing when they see nothingness with their limited prescience, not the specifics of Arrakis being terraformed.
That's like saying that because I know how to drive a car, I can just hop in a tank or piece of heavy construction equipment and hop to it.
This is a movie plot hole.
Book Fremen are an advanced civilization that would be able to incorporate new technology relatively quickly.
Of course, at first they would use prisoners of war to fly the ships.
Agreed, but I think using prisoners to fly is still a plot hole, for two reasons. One, while all of this fighting was going on, the Sardaukar pilots should have lifted off most of the ships rather than leave them there to be captured or damaged by Fremen, they're not doing anything sitting on the ground. Second, that's very stupid. If the Fremen goal is to load up all of their elite forces and put them into the hands of 20 Guildsmen or, more likely, Sardaukar pilots, they need to be very confident that the pilots won't intentionally crash the ships to get 200:1 kill ratios and help protect against the usurper. They're supposed to be pseudo-religious fanatics themselves.
Imagine being some Landsraad cuck sitting on Bullshitius Secundas snorting spice and some of these pipe hitting fremen show up to stab you in the throat and dehydrate your dog because they can and you can't stop them.
moron there is nothing wrong with taking liberties in an adaptation, for Dennis's movie OR Jodorowsky's. The point is that it doesn't need to be one over the other when the book never addressed the aesthetic in the first place.
It's a miracle house Harkonnen survived for 10k years with morons that impulsive.
First I wanted to say its just Raban but no Feyd also killed a guy for just saying ,,My Lord I recommend-".
A stressful job to be an advisor for them.
>It's a miracle house Harkonnen survived for 10k years with morons that impulsive.
Their avarice, impulsivity and complete lack of morals seems to be their great advantage, they're a pure unga-bunga STR build
I watched 3/4 Dune 2 before I realized their language is supposed to be subtitled because they didn't turn on automatically for whatever reason what did I miss by not actually knowing what the frick they were saying half the time?
>torrenting Dune >scene where everyone is speaking galach >oh there's no subtitles baked in >download CC file >restart scene >subs say [foreign language]
Bravo pirates
>Atreides!!
The two shittest films since the last jedi and no I'm not b8ing. Absolutely awful overhyped thrash staring an emo zoomer with the charisma of a west dishcloth
>contrarians tards defending the Jodomojojojorowsky psychedelia trainwreck, the Lynch crappy version and and now some goofy as hell steampunk looking designs
I'm only defending the Jodorowsky component of the filmverse of Dune history in so far as it produced high expectations for any future Dune adaptation. The expectations rose so high, that it almost seems like this Dunc version is aiming to subvert those very expectations intentionally as if that was the whole point of making it in the first place.
Lynch's Dune was just a decent attempt picking up the pieces of Jodorowsky's pre-production.
Maybe I missed something in the lore, but I saw guns being used more than I expected. If they can use guns in the desert (maybe because shields attract worms?) then why don't they use guns all the time? Please explain.
You seem to be aware of shields, and they like melee combat.
But you dont seem to understand that melee combat is a product of shields making guns less relevant?
But they kept using guns. Chani popped a grunt who was coming behind her while she aimed at the thopter. So guns are relevant there, for reasons that the movie doesn't get into. I vaguely remember the book explaining something about shields not being practical in the deep desert. Then why bother with swords at at all in the deep desert?
This and other issues with the logistics of the world kept bugging me. Yeah, it's SF, with impossible tech, so I should be able to just handwave a lot of these things, but I couldn't. Another question I had was - what do the millions of Fremen eat? Do they have massive hydroponic farms hidden underground? Am I being that guy by even questioning such things? Or is it explained in the books somewhere? If they trade spice with smugglers for grain, then that's got to be a huge operation that would make the Harkonnens seem too incompetent to be a credible threat.
Maybe Denis' minimalist utilitarian aesthetic made the whole thing seem more visually "practical" while more fantastic visuals would have helped me handwave these issues more in my mind - because Spice Magic & Mentats? I dunno.
if shields attract the worms and drive them into a killing frenzy, why don't the fremen use shields to attract the worms and drive them into a killing frenzy?
they also have the thumpers
shields aren't explicitly intended to attract the worms
thumpers are better at it
partly, becauset they dont necessarily WANT a "frenzied" worm that they cant control or ride
they merely want to attract them
So why did anyone bother with swords in the desert when everyone, including Fremen, had guns that could take out giant carryalls? What am I missing here?
if you want any level of explanation beyond the absolute most surface level, you'll need to read the books. yes, the fremen keep large stores of water in their sietches. as to their food, Fremen subsist on dairy from donkeys they keep, and they get fruits, nuts, and vegetables from nearby villages as well as getting some produce from terraformed areas. they also hunt and roast desert hare
That's fair. I read the books, but that was decades ago, so I don't remember many of the details. But I do remember that the books did not bother me. But this movie does bother me, because this movie is not the same as the books.
in fairness nothing about the food of the fremen was covered in the first book, just about their water supply. i guess they covered that stuff later. the fremen, above all, are shown to be exceptionally resourceful and adverse to waste of any kind, so in the books the reader probably wasn't thinking about that as much - the Fremen were focused more on having enough water to survive; getting food was not as difficult or pressing as getting water
>I don't remember many of the details >this movie is not the same as the books
jesus christ you could be reading the books again right now instead of this elaborate troll
That's fair. I read the books, but that was decades ago, so I don't remember many of the details. But I do remember that the books did not bother me. But this movie does bother me, because this movie is not the same as the books.
P.S. I suppose my more general point is that a movie like this needs to stand on its own, without needing to resort to reading the source material (or any wiki). As I said already, maybe I am being "that (annoying) guy" by not being able to just accept that a movie cannot show every little detail of a fictional world like this, but there is something off about Denis's 2 Dune movies that makes me reluctant to accept that explanation. Something about their tone, or maybe it's the tone of the overall Dune franchise, or maybe it's just my own personal hangup. I'll need to sleep on this some more.
nah i'm in agreement with you there; i was pissed at how much they glossed over what Mentats were in the movies, especially considering Paul was training to be one / is one
the movie definitely left out explanations of things like guns / shields etc. they did a decent enough job explaining the stillsuit, they could have explained guns, too. one of the first things that is explained in the book is that fast moving particle weapons are mostly obsolete due to shielding technology, and only slow weapons like swords and daggers can penetrate the shield by going slowly
It is a dune problem and every adaptation have suffered from the same problem i mean you either go the visual route like villeneuve where they expect you to already understand everything or you go have a narration and hear peoples thoughts to tell you what you think like lynch did which hurts the overall flow of the movie
The truth is that Dune, as influential as it is, doesn't stand the test of time. The weird side of it isn't good. The more grounded side only works within the inverted Hero's Journey of the first two books. Much like the Golden Path, the best of it is what people took into the future to make new things with it.
This is just speculation. The only thing that objectively doesn't stand the test of time is in the 5th and 6th book with the space israelites and the holocaust shilling.
Those, as dumb as they are, are entirely consistent with the themes of the earlier books. Herbert's understanding of how people respond to adversity was extremely simplistic.
All these >HOW COME ____
posters in every thread... the answer is always, will always be: READ THE BOOKS
You guys would rather ask and then read 300 pages of posts trying to sort out trivialities when you could have just read the damn thing in the first place
Dune 2's costume design was objectively good (as was the music), whatever else you can say about the film, I never thought I'd see this level of contrarianism on this board.
They originally wanted her completely covered (because she was too pretty), but Ferguson's agent negotiated them down to just a partial veil and face tattoos
Some Fremen were good but look at Stilgar in the final scenes and the Fedaykins, their armors are ugly and look like shit. Stillsuits look visually boring, but at least they upped the turbans in the second movies. Sardaukars look boring as well, they still had the best scene in the first movie but design wise it was lacking.
And the emperor... Good lord... They had something with Irulan but in most scenes she's in boring pajamas
Moving on from my quibbles about the logistics (more about gun use than about Fremen food supply to be honest).
Jessica's psychology felt off. Does she have mastery over her emotions, or is she a fearful animal who cannot stop herself from throwing up?
The biggest set piece was Feyd in the Harkonnen arena. They even gave it a special colour palate. In comparison, Paul drinking the Water of Life felt phoned in, like an afterthought. I don't understand Denis's thought process here. For me, Paul's scene should have overshadowed Feyd's, not the other way around.
Jessica has always been shady but she was basically destroyed by the Water of Life, that seemed to be an obvious theme in the movie. Paul saw his mother turn into a sinister zealot and he fears the same fate. The tentpole scene was Paul's talk with Jessica after the Water of Life and then his speech, not actually taking it.
>who cannot stop herself from throwing up
I think that was pregnancy sickness, and the water harvesting just sent her over the edge. She is looking under the weather and she clutches her stomach earlier.
Yeah. It does humanize her. Maybe I need to let go of my preconception of Bene Gesserit having extraordinary powers of self-control – akin to that Vietnamese monk who set himself on fire.
>It was just pregnancy sickness.
You're a fricking idiot that hasn't read the books. The Bene Gesserit are trained to control all bodily functions, even their metabolism. The goal is to send no body language tells to whoever they are communicating with except by design to install a thought process in the person they're talking to. Dune is about multi-layer communication which is why it has always been deemed difficult to bring to the silver screen.
What is that, my dude? It's disturbing, to say the least.
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Probably what inspired the worm milking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab
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>Their blood contains amebocytes, which play a similar role to the white blood cells of vertebrates in defending the organism against pathogens.
At least the fremen do this in some sort of ritual.
>it's genuinely sad that there are "people" defending it.
Please understand, zoomers have no good movie (or entertainment) and they are desperate to have something to call memorable liek every other gen
Or maybe you are a bitter nobody with no good entertinment and an inferiority complex you try to fight with smugness.
Basically sour grapes. You arent' entitled to have entertainment at its peak in your very personal "now"
The only thing that REALLY pissed me off about Dune 2 was casting Zendaya. She is UGLY AS FRICK. STOP PUTTING HER IN EVERYTHING. I don't even care that she is mixed. PIck a hot mixed girl then! Just frickin not her. SHE'S UGLY.
Zoomer take.
She’s nothing special, but same is true for Emma Watson.
People having their balls drop in the window where Watson was an influencer might beg to differ, and that’s fine, doesn’t change the perennial aesthetics tho.
Zendaya is a solid meh, but it’s a meh squared. I don’t even give a frick about people giving a frick.
>care about flavor of the month
no, butthole, I don't "care about flavor of the month". I get sick of seeing a chick in movies if she's ugly as frick, and i cared about this one. >smdh >take
you may or may not be older than me (who fricking cares), but you talk like a frickin trendy chantard. and zoomers are almost 30 now it's time to stop using gay ageist insults or just learn it's time for your homosexual ass to leave
i said she's ugly, and i don't like her in the movies, have a nice day
I dont get it, why dont the people just take a couple of worms and put the worms on other less fertile planets everywhere. It seemed like the worms survive just fine in enclosed places.
Why not just have a worm pit inside of your ships lol, its somekind of ghey little planet full of jihadis.
Design-wise, there are flashes of what could have been. But Denis couldn't make himself go all in. He seems to be holding back, playing things safe. He obviously has the talent. If only he could let himself go of his built-in limiter, he could be so much better.
I like most of these. Even the worm looking like a duck. Being swallowed by a mouth like that would be scarier than all the circular tunnelling machines we keep seeing.
DUNC comes super close to getting it right. Probably the movies best design. Vlad should look like a giant bumbling infant who's strength comes entirely from his position of power. I hate the designs that make him look legitimately hard or menacing.
Imagine if they crafted that scene so the sardaukar bodyguard leaves the chamber, advancing down the hall into darkness with a steady, marching cadence. The royal Court hears the sound of fighting, then silence, then the irregular swish-step-pause-step-step-swish of the fremen creeping forward.
>behind the scenes pictures. That will show them!
The proportion of those suits always bugged me. early season SG-1 jaffa tier.
Indeed. They look cheap and generic.
Looking like extras in a Power Rangers episode.
>Looking like extras in a Power Rangers episode.
I think you mean the Starship Troopers - Power Rangers Lost Galaxy cinematic universe
I was going to specify "one of the seasons where they went into space" but I'm not up on PW lore.
Why the bulky outfits when they have shields?
Given that combat is entirely dictated around the ability to penetrate those shields, it makes sense to have some measure of protection under them.
Jaffa suits are kino, yes even the early ones.
Holy shit why didn't anyone tell me it was this bad
how do the soldiers know how many times to say Atreiedes? it's a different number each time
I just know I'd be the one butthole saying it one time too many
>Atreides!
it would've been kino
I understand why they went for generic grey space marines but I don't respect it
I dont understand why they went for generic grey space marines. Can you explain the rationale for me?
the grey armor doesn't stick out, keeps production costs down, and looks "real" in the sense that it reminds people of contemporary military products. but it is a very timid choice stylistically
>That is just silly and not compatible with the visual medium of film
my friend if you think gleaming medieval armor is "not compatible with the visual medium of film" you are moron
>it is a very timid choice stylistically
I think that could be said about many aspects of Dunc. Timid.
>many
You mean all.
these
that's Penis' middle name
I like the detail where they mention you need protective goggles where laser weapons are being used. Where is this from? Because I don't think even Herbert considered this when writing his book.
Japanese Meiji-era infantry?
That is just silly and not compatible with the visual medium of film. Who even came up with this shit? Space travel is possible through spice but the armor is still in the middle ages?
Maybe Dune's not really your speed.
Maybe the interpretation you are looking for is more of a incredible dumb one
why is OP's chunky plastic simulacra armor more believable than real armor from the era where people actually used swords?
laser's which allegedly nuke a whole fricking field when they hit their shield which negates armor as a whole
oh, does the plastic grey armor stop nukes? what are you even saying
buy an ad gaygit
>allegedly
So far, every screen adaptation has dropped this silly concept because it is too silly.
It was an attempt to explain the importance of knowing melee combat even in a future with laser guns. Yeah it was executed poorly though.
I saw it as an awkward attempt at analogy to uncontrollable and destructive feedback loops, as that was a key theme that gets repeated several times in the book. The problem with the shield-lasgun feedback loops is everyone reading about it immediately thinks "frick yeah! How can I weaponize this?".
Thats armor from an era people used guns predominantly, you don't need armour that costed as much as a house to be invulnerable to blades, some shitty chainmail + gambeson was enough
It isn't, you clown
>Who even came up with this shit?
>designs are a hodgepodge of 17th 18th and 19th century armor, weapons and military dress
>images tagged with @rifleinfantry
Who do you think?
thanks for the heads up here, for a second I thought I've gone into a serious delirious state
LARPers will always exist.
What bugged me is why the heck the infantry use blades as their main weapon and not laser guns or other shit. It adds to originality but this is a futuristic setting, even the spaceships have guns and lasers.
so, you didn't actually see the movie?
>not compatible with the visual medium of film
The frick they aren't. Why wouldn't they be "compatible" with a visual medium? Pretentious homosexual.
He's not pretentious, he's a goyslop consuming moron that is already excited for next product.
It's just a nice way of saying "they look moronic"
>and not compatible with the visual medium of film
How do you do it? How do you say something this universally moronic but not realize how fricking moronic this would be considered across the universe before posting it? Astounding.
Cadged a lot of (you)s already and I’m super late to the party, but only bladed weapons work against dunc shields.
Lasguns technically work too, but they’re the nuclear option. And who amongst any toeing the line powers on this small dirt ball do you see using the big red button?
Higher tech would be effective, but the political cost would be ruinous.
Hence, in the age of kinetic shields, dune universe is back to fighting with sharp sticks.
Bit tangential but I wish they did more to emphasize how slowly a blade needs to move before penetrating the shields. Would make the fight choreography way more interesting seeing intense, fast, staccato movements rapidly decelerate to near slow motion before making a killing blow. They kind of did it but not nearly as good as it could have been. Everything looks too fumbling, with not much in the way of finesse.
These are sick as all hell
Sad that it a random deviantArt account can mog a $350M movie so easily.
>Swiss pikemen with antigravity devices performing low-altitude insertion from hovercraft
I weep for what we could've had
>shigawire beneath the houndsear cap
damn..
they really half assed the sardaukar in every single adaptation
Having every sardaukar bear grevious dueling scars would have been kino, if slightly cliche.
Yeah, I would have preferred they amped up the gore. Also, the Sardaukar were massacred in the final battle (because of the worms I suppose) so I wanted to see carnage on the level of the Battle of Cannae. Wasn't going to happen because this was a corporate product, but still, would have been kino.
tbf, the sardaukar are half assing assing it in the story so it's pottery
Checked.
Sardaukar should've killed everyone except the very best.
Boomers were fricking weird
They thought lots of obnoxious random shit plastered on a costume meant it was better. You can still see that mindset in this thread.
>"less is more"
But it's just a featureless polygon
>[chef's kiss] "mmm perfection"
This would've looked fay as frick in the cinemas
hmm, maybe you're right. Better to play it safe and dull. Better to be timid.
It would have been extremely fey, elfin even.
conquistador?
redcoat?
>conquistador?
Technically, a rodelero.
>redcoat?
more of Russian than of England, I think
closer example
Anyone else find it weird how historically everyone stopped using armour even though a lot of casualties were due to bayonets and swords till pretty late on and cavalry armed with lances was a thing uptil ww1
Colonels had to pay for their regiment's uniforms and equipment.
No colonel on earth would've paid for handmade steel armor to protect his drunken moron footsoldiers.
Had through it had to come down to cost if it was cheaper to just hire more soldiers and buy another musket then I can't see that anyone would be buying armour
Everytime i watch a WW2 documentary I'm just amazed they wore those shitty green khaki button ups while running into machine gun fire and shrapnel
Armor is expensive, anon.
Long firearms eclipsed armour technology in the 1500s, cavalry continued to wear armour up until the 1800s as being shot on horseback was less likely, but eventually rifling in firearms made wearing armour and relying on your enemy missing obsolete as well.
Advances in other technologies like suspension systems for wagons, and better horse breeding made logistics a lot faster. It quickly reached a point where supplies could get to the front before armoured infantry did.
Armour was dropped for infantry because of the greater emphasis on manoeuvrability - getting from A to B on foot faster than the enemy - and even in pike formations soldiers carried their own privately-bought pistols that could punch through armour at close range.
Combat wasn't the leading course of casualty anyway, it was disease and infection (chiefly from latrines and food preparation rather than injury), so when the opportunity came to cut the expense of armoursmithing every military did it.
Ultimately a heavy infantryman is slower to get to the battlefield and has the same life expectancy as an unarmoured infantryman who is a lot faster.
Armour is only just making a return in the last century. First helmets were re-issued but they wouldn't do shit against gunshot; they protected the head from falling debris chucked up by artillery. Despite significant advances in steel metallurgy, modern armour isn't steel, it's a composite of boron carbide ceramic, and polymers such as kevlar and dyneema (UHMWPE).
Even then modern armour isn't bulletproof: it has metrics called NIJ grades which determine how effective that armour is at protecting the wearer from specific calibres and shot loads within specific distance ranges.
Many modern soldiers will ditch armour if given the opportunity, especially in the Afghan war where British soldiers commonly only wore the front plate, halving the weight.
TL;DR: moving fast was more important and you'd be clapped with a pistol or shit your life out anyway
Good qrd on historical armor usage.
A question I'd pose to /k/ would be: how would you envision a technology like Dune's shields being implemented? Either in the modern world, or in a far future setting. Ignore the laser-shield reaction. Pretend it doesn't exist.
Consider how things might play out if the shield tech was not easily proliferated (if it were either extremely expensive to manufacture, or a trade secret)
Armour survived in calvary up until the mid XIX century not because "calvary is less likely to get shot as" and more because calvary were the elite force of European armies since the fall of Rome until the Franco Prussian war
The reason infantry stopped wearing armor was the fact that poor people had shields and chainmail which was not effective against guns, plate armour absolutely was able to stop protect against small arm fire until the invention of bolt action rifles with actual bullets
Pretty sure that French cuirassier breastplates were tested before they were issued by firing a pistol at them at medium range. Also don't forget heavy cav has to fight other cav and therefore the armour helps in a melee
I think artillery was the biggest killer in wwi, maybe in wwii and in the current war in ukraine.
Europeans stopped using shields because plate armor was so effective. However, shields remained in use outside of europe for a longer time. There are accounts from british officers that the shields used by marathas were resistant to pistol shots and even to long distance musket balls.
I think after a certain point in western history arty has always been the the biggest killer (in terms of combat causalities and not disease), there's a reason why it's called "the king of battle"
I'd argue artillery has been the king of the battlefield since the advent of indirect fire, which was actually a lot earlier than anyone truly realises. If you had the connections and funding to import or manufacture a mortar, any castle was immediately obsolete.
Probably from the Anarchy (1138-1153) onwards the writing was on the wall that gunpowder was the future and castles were no longer impregnable fortresses that could only be defeated through siege.
Good point, artillery became massively important in sieges, at least since 1453 when ottomans took constantinople. It took a bit longer for them to become useful in field battles. I think it was gustavus adolphus who really revolutionised how field artillery was used in pitched battles. Napoleon of course was an artilleryman as well.
What would happen if personal or fortification shields that made anything but the absolutely largest calibers harmless?
>Ex: a direct hit from a howitzer shell would be enough to kill an individually shielded fighter, simply through inertial shock. But a small arms, heavy machine guns and shrapnel would be harmless. Even overpreasure from explosions would be filtered/dispersed.
>on a vehicular or fortification level, it would take something like direct hits from naval guns to have an effect.
I think artillery would cause like 90% of casualties instead of around 70-80% as they now do in ukraine. However, infantry would still be needed to occupy territory.
There was gunpowder used in the Anarchy? Bit early I'd have thought
Interesting question of class there, inf are peasants, cav are aristocrats, but gunners are from the middle class because they have to actually know something
During the Malay Emergency (1948-1960) the Orang Asli fought with spears, knives, blowguns, and rattan shields, which were shockingly effective in ambushing British soldiers. Allegedly, rattan shields could stop bullets.
However I'd posit that this was due to the environment and British firearms at the time, which had largely shifted to submachine guns with fast-burning loads and light shot because that's just what was common and seen as suitable for a jungle environment post-WWII.
Fast and light shot is actually not great at shooting accurately through dense brush; it skims off leaves rather than punching through them and quickly loses momentum and thus stopping power. I can easily see a British squaddy firing 9x19mm from a Sterling SMG getting stuck in a rattan shield after it's done a few score yards through brush.
Slower and heavier shots like .45-70 perform much better in those conditions, pushing foliage out of the way rather than skipping off it or punching through, hence "brush guns".
>a lot of casualties were due to bayonets and swords
Wrong
Bayonets were more a psychological weapon on the offensive, and primarily used defensive to ward off cav
Swords were mainly used by cav (defeated by squares and the threat of bayonets) and they only hurt fleeing troops (frick em) or other cav, of which some were indeed outfitted with armour.
Nobody is going to go to the cost of providing armour to troops for basically nil gain when that cash could be used to raise more dudes, which would have far more impact. Not to mention the damn weight and then required training to get the troops back to previous standards to compensate
was thinking in general 18th century european soldier
There is no reason to believe they dressed like clowns in the book
>he thinks Spanish duelists or Napoleonic line infantry look like clowns
perhaps it is you who are the clown, with your blue jeans and hoodies
They do, and I could take any Spanish duelist in a fight.
May thy big red nose and bike horn chip and shatter
They absolutely do in our times, not to mention in civilization far advanced than ours
Correct
This is very true, 90% of uniforms are explicitly stated to be very plain
Jodorowsky's Dune did irreversible damage to how the aesthetic of the book is meant to be interpreted. Now pretentious losers think that if your design for the world isn't over the top ludicrous, it's not real dune
Ah yes, Imperial Testical Chins, now THATS dune!
>armies of flamboyant homosexuals representing the varied and mutually hostile fashion houses of the known universe do battle to control production of the spice malachite, the essential component of eye shadow
HE'S A BALLCHINNIAN
Just like my 80s anime, LOL.
Nothing wrong with that.
I would watch that for a dollar.
I wouldn't say this, but it helped raise the expectation which was horribly and intentionally subverted with Dunc.
I mean it might be the sole reason they made it.
You're not going to want to hear this, but everything except the Harkonans are portrayed exactly as described in DUNC, albeit with more of a sci fi slant. Definitely more accurate than the other adaptation.
You're a lying bastard or a troll.
i've read the books, and seen the trailers.
So where is the supposed subversion?
I'm talking about the brewed expectation for amount of detail deserving to Dune and how it was subverted with the minimalist approach.
Amount of detail deserving to dune? Based on what, general vibe?
See
>General vibe
What lol
Intricate costume design, laborious and articulate cinematography, creative depictions of the inner monologues which are usually rule breaking in cinema, maybe even shot on actual film instead of digital to give it an old feeling. I'm talking about attention to detail instead of the flat palate, minimalist set and costume designs.
Dunc is mass produced blockbuster slop, not an artistic venture which is what it deserves as a monumental pillar of science fiction novels. Jodorowsky tried to reach its heights, and he surpassed it beyond all measure, even rewriting the story entirely toward the end of the first book/film. Much of his pre-production and team building went into the Lynch production which brought it back down to Earth and arguably underdelivered in terms of story depth accuracy.
The miniseries set out to rectify that and fill in all the missing bits, but with less budget. Both are honorable attempts to give service to the books, but this Dunc abomination is a complete fricking travesty, a total disrespect, which maybe that's what it deserves. It's just sad if you're a genuine fan of the books.
Intricate costume design doesn't make a movie better, and source material quality doesn't correlate with intricacy of the costumes. You sound ridiculous
I understand the point you think you are making, but you can't even get yourself to lie and pretend the movie is bad, just say "well the cinematography isn't as good as it should be for such a very very good book!"
Ok, you put the same effort from Dunc into LOTR, and get back to me.
It's one fricking department among many that all work together. You go weak on one, and it brings the others down. You go weak on all of them, and you have uniformity, but it's weak on the whole.
Anon the fricking point is that you are trying to quantify "effort" like its some quantifiable number, when that's absolutely asinine and it's ridiculous to say.
How are you quantifying effort in the context of Lord of the Rings compared to dune? Whether or not the film was "given an old feeling"?? Whether it has a "minimalist palate"?? Again, you are going off nothing but general vibes. Nothing real.
Did you know there were a team of 2 guys that for 3 years all they did was make plastic chainmail by hand for LOTR?
And that's what makes Lord of the Rings good? If Dune had the costumes sewn together with the directors pubes, would that have made it good because of all the le effort?
>And that's what makes LOTR good?
It all adds up.
No it doesn't, that's not how movies work
You are gay, and you like men.
Point to me on your daddy's butthole where he touched you. Feel free to put the finger inside to point deep.
>Jodorowsky's Dune did irreversible damage to how the aesthetic of the book is meant to be interpreted.
its was the robot wars and too much spice
Jodo's thinking was that the main characters are aristocrats from the future, so if aristocrats from the past already had extravagant and colorful costumes, makes the sense that future aristocrats will also have an exotic look
he was right of course, david lynch tamed of these aspects but villememe went full boring autist
It's a unique style and is a creative take on the universe. Nothing more than that. There is absolutely zero reason it should influence future adaptations if that's not what the film maker wants to do
>Jodorowsky
I have no idea why Cinemaphile nuthugs him so much. He's clearly just an insane israelite that surrounds himself with vastly more talented people (like Moebius).
Who cares about whats described in the books? I only care about kino designs which could improve upon the source material and have the guts to make their own thing like Lynch did
Next adaptation of Dune should be animated in this style
Now this is some Warhammer 40 000 tier shit. It looks cool on paper but I dont't think that these would work in live action, they're just a little too out there. Maybe in animation.
I hated these armors at first. They're still boring looking, but I get the idea behind them, practically.
These would've unironically been far better. I can't take Dune too seriously, and the story isn't that fascinating, so give me some ballsy costume and set design at least. That's what Lynch's Dune did well. It looked interesting enough to ignore the flaws.
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>It looks cheap!!!!
chuds say this about literally everything that isn't chudslop (e.g. Hack Snyder)
What nobody here seems to understand is that it's not a sci-fi movie but a political thriller hidden underneath a sci-fi coat. It's incredible how stupid some people are who've been fed propaganda for childbirth on
the draw is the weird shit
>it's not a sci-fi movie but a political thriller hidden underneath a sci-fi coat
BWHAHAHA He was even too dumb to recognize that
i think one of those people might be the director, considering he cut a lot of the political stuff in favor of more sci-fi.
villanova isn't capable of a tom clancy/jack ryan space movie with an ending epiphany for now but I like his aesthetics
b***h it's a teen romance hidden underneath a sci-fi coat
>political thriller
it's just a coming of age movie beneath the space feudalism setting
No it's not. It's a successor of the atreides coming out as a harkonnen bastard enduring a journey through the desert of death nobody thought he would survive. And that's coming from my right elbow you Black person
>>No it's not. It's a successor of the atreides coming out as a harkonnen bastard enduring a journey through the desert of death nobody thought he would survive
based moron for agreeing with me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming-of-age_story
based moron for thinking it had no influence on the political machinations of arrakis
I know exactly what you went for
you're a viewtiful baby tho
>all these replies
it's a special effects movie, you fricking idiots
that's why the Harkonnen ornithopter shotgun gets more screentime than the emperor of the universe
It's literally just a junkie story underneath all of that
That's more what I pictured the Sardakaur to look like while the Atreides soldiers were more like medieval knights with bulky armor all the way down.
Also pictured the Harkonans as viking-adjacent like pic related.
Cinemaphile isn't ready for book accurate designs
"Like a giant beetle" didnt literally mean it was a bug, jesus you homosexuals are moronic
LETS FRICKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this is the moment where the film came closest to completely falling apart. what a mess of an ending
>LET'S GET THESE SHIPS OFF THE GROUUUU--
>What do you mean that none of our cave dwelling sword fanatics knows how to pilot a spacecraft?
The leaders attended a PowerPoint meeting
But really ships always have a minimum crew so they just hold some low level pilot at knifepoint and tell them what to do. There's no way they are getting paid enough to say no. Same with the radio guy for cross ship communication, getting orders from skinny protagonist guy
Haven't seen DUNC2 but I heard someone saying that they cut out the part at the end where Paul reveals his plan to destroy all the spice if the Guild & Emperor don't give in to his demands.
Wouldn't that mean the Guild just ferries the Fremen jihad across the galaxy for no reason then?
He declared war against the imperium in DUNC2 straight up, just doesn't mention the intention to destroy the spice
...How the frick are they even getting out of Arrakis' orbit without the Guild?
For that matter, how the frick are they getting off Arrakis when the climax of Dune has half the great houses' armies in orbit waiting to swoop in and crush the Fremen uprising?
The Guild are super evolved trannies that hate fascists.
>...How the frick are they even getting out of Arrakis' orbit without the Guild?
you've heard the phrase "he who controls the spice, controls the universe" your whole life and still don't get it?
the spacing guild doesn't give a frick who's emperor, they will bow to whoever. They need spice to maintain their caste and for the navigators to survive. whoever controls Arrakis is their master
That's not what he's asking. He's talking about the changes to the story in the movie that make no sense.
It makes perfect sense. You just got an explanation
I haven't seen the movie. It sounds like they changed the ending to where he doesn't threaten to destroy the spice, but he says he is going to take the fight to the imperium which doesn't happen in the books at least until the God Emperor.
it is a very explicit plot point in the new movie
for them finding the atreides nukes
and paul openly threatening to use them on spice supplies in order to assume control
Ok then why would he send his forces off planet to weaken their numbers
He’s not sending them off planet, the great houses landed their armies on Arrakis and the Fremen are going to battle them. Idk why they’re just getting in ships and flying on over with no battle plan though.
weaken whose numbers?
theres more than a few factions
The remaining Imperium isn't "happy" about Paul assuming control.
And they do have "some" remaining spice in storage, but no means of production.
Theoretically they could use remaining spice stores in clandestine cooperation with the guild who would still rationally "openly" side with Paul.
Paul is his pursuit to minimize destruction, opts for immediate suppression of the other Houses to minimize economic damage.
He "could" theoretically wait them out, but may object to the mass suffering.
And doesn't have a direct or full understanding of their capacity to resist him.
Most importantly, Paul has ascended, and lost control over his own spiritual image.
He has done the impossible and conquered the universe just as prophesied.
He could not contain the fremen even as the messiah without causing more suffering or undermining his own position.
It wasn't "Prophesized." He assumes control of the Fremen by way of the Bene Gesserit having pre-planted a religion seed like they do on all various worlds in case they find themselves stranded. They use religions like a resource cache to manipulate the people in times of emergency. It comes naturally to Paul because of his training.
He is simultaneously perceived as the supreme being designed by the Bene Gesserit, but Paul learns their scope of the situation was limited, and it was actually Paul's son that would experience the transformation from being the pinnacle of genetic constructions.
That is the cynical interpretation most heavily emphasized by the film.
But they do also imply, that the prophecy they spread is in fact ambiguously a reflection of their own deep religious convention.
They themselves believe in this prophecy.
It is the whole point of their eugenic mission.
It sounds like in the film the stronk women are the ones that realize it and try to go against it
The Reverend Mother objects and opposes Paul because he is was intended to be female, and mate with Fayd Rautha to create the Kwisatz Haderach in a way where he would be genetically predisposed and vulnerable to the suggestion of the Bene Gesserit.
Because he is a man (born of Jessica's true love for Leto), he is uniquely defiant and capable of entering mental/spiritual psychospaces the Bene Gesserit are too weak or unwilling to go.
Paul is his own man, and not manipulable by any power other than his own will.
yes...
I'm talking about the few fremen that are apparently talking about how the religion is fake or whatever.
So it's just the men that appear manipulated by religion.
Chani's feministic portrayal is unlike the books, where Fremen polygamy is normalized and accepted.
Paul actually adopts the family and wife of Jamis as his own before wedding Chani.
There are plenty of religiously fanatical women in the movie.
They just aren't shown to be active characters.
The regular fremen though, do have their own doubting factions about Paul, which then fade as he becomes more a successful messiah.
The Chani is a little obvious, but also not terrible.
It's definitely an extension of the films more cynical perpsective on Paul's religious bearing.
Becoming a messiah, is in conflict with Denis's and contemporary Western civilization's perception of love as egalitarian.
He cannot be God, and love a mortal as an equal, as they would argue.
Paul's dynamic with women in general is very central to the book.
He is a spiritual hermaphrodite, union of male and female, very primitively cosmological across a lot of major Earth religions.
Like Odin he uses magic, which is feminine in nature.
Even his relationship with Jessica has significant oedipal undertones.
>Some women are NPCs.
>They expect some of us in the wreckage.
Yeah, it sounds pozzed.
It doesn't sound like a cynical approach to the religious bearings. It sounds like israelite propaganda propping up women to be anti-religion.
Obviously the book is anti-religion, so I guess it doesn't matter. It should be destroyed.
>Paul is his own man, and not manipulable by any power other than his own will
so it was by his own will that he drank a bottle of worm piss lolololololololololol
so this is the power of the lisan al-gaib
>so it was by his own will that he drank a bottle of worm piss lolololololololololol
yes
that is the moment where Paul decides he will be the messiah
More like the pissiah amirite
So why do they try to overthrow him in the very next book, then?
The Guild can only see one step in the future vs Paul who can see 1000 miles ahead. They can only react in the moment.
They're going to hunt fascists.
Nuking the spice was just a bluff, even the emperor and Harkonen knew it. He just went and declared war against all mayor houses
It's an unchallengable bluff though.
The point is that everyone is certain Paul is bluffing but the potential consequences are so great that they can't take even the slightest chance that he isn't, particularly since the Fremen have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain from destroying the spice and won't hesitate to do it if Paul tells them to.
He doesn't threaten to destroy all the spice, that part is totally removed. Instead he says he'll nuke the most significant spice harvesting fields.
>absolutely nothing to lose
Not true. They're addicted to spice and would die from the withdrawals without it. They should be aware of this, but even if they somehow, impossibly, do not, Paul certainly does know. Granted, in the movie he's only threatening to destroy certain harvesting fields.
In the book the Spacing Guild is present at the duel where Paul deposes the Emperor. Paul threatens to nuke the desert and kill the worms, crashing the Imperium with no survivors. Everyone thinks he's bluffing except for Edric who is a Guild senior navigator, and is also prescient from his spice habit (although far less prescient than Paul). Edric briefly looks into the future and realises that Paul is 100% not bluffing, although Edric doesn't realise that Paul isn't going to nuke the worms, he'll kill them by terraforming Arrakis, by which point the Guild will be disenfranchised by Paul anyway.
Edric cuts a deal with Paul to give the Fremen transport to battlefields as long as Paul doesn't nuke Arrakis in order to protect the Guild's monopoly on transportation, accidentally playing into Paul's hand as Paul was never going to nuke Arrakis and was always going to disenfranchise the Guild anyway (which Paul actually never does because he gets cold feet and his son Leto II finishes the job).
Villeneuve cut this out because it's a bit too hard to present without introducing Edric in Dunc 1, having a B plot over the Spacing Guild, and making the final scene of Dune 2 even more complicated than it is already.
Instead we get a radio transmission from the Landsraad saying they reject Paul's ascension to the throne and Paul says cowabunga it is.
Lol, you're a wikipedia speed reading posing homosexual or bad memory. Edric, a mutated Navigator, was not present in book one at all - some nameless non-mutated Guild representatives were there instead. Paul does threaten to nuke the worms but create some chain reaction with the pre-spice mass/water of life or some shit like that - I cannot remember the specifics but it's an ecological chain reaction, not nuking shit. The Guild representatives realise Paul isn't bluffing when they see nothingness with their limited prescience, not the specifics of Arrakis being terraformed.
I chuckled
in the book they used their own ornithopters so assumeably they knew how to fly
That's like saying that because I know how to drive a car, I can just hop in a tank or piece of heavy construction equipment and hop to it.
Agreed, but I think using prisoners to fly is still a plot hole, for two reasons. One, while all of this fighting was going on, the Sardaukar pilots should have lifted off most of the ships rather than leave them there to be captured or damaged by Fremen, they're not doing anything sitting on the ground. Second, that's very stupid. If the Fremen goal is to load up all of their elite forces and put them into the hands of 20 Guildsmen or, more likely, Sardaukar pilots, they need to be very confident that the pilots won't intentionally crash the ships to get 200:1 kill ratios and help protect against the usurper. They're supposed to be pseudo-religious fanatics themselves.
This is a movie plot hole.
Book Fremen are an advanced civilization that would be able to incorporate new technology relatively quickly.
Of course, at first they would use prisoners of war to fly the ships.
It's not a plothole at all, at this point Paul has control over Emperor's forces.
Music was godly during this part
No it wasnt put on any scene from the original movie and the music mogs DUNC
Post the Chad flying the Atreides Jihad colors on top of the worm
WE GAAAAAAAAN
Imagine being some Landsraad cuck sitting on Bullshitius Secundas snorting spice and some of these pipe hitting fremen show up to stab you in the throat and dehydrate your dog because they can and you can't stop them.
Should have honored his ascendancy chud.
Herbert barely described how the freman or atreides looked at all.
Thr more I learn about the book, the more I realize Dennis made something beautiful and amazing out of a rather middling and generic sci-fi book.
Don't forget too that nothing in the book suggests Giedi Prime looks like HR Giger's wet dream or that the Baron loves having it that way.
moron there is nothing wrong with taking liberties in an adaptation, for Dennis's movie OR Jodorowsky's. The point is that it doesn't need to be one over the other when the book never addressed the aesthetic in the first place.
>the colorful designs MUST be good! Look at all the random bullshit attached to them!
>The more stuff slapped onto the costume, the better it must be!
Whose idea was it to 3D-print armor anyway?
>"We lost them"
It's a miracle house Harkonnen survived for 10k years with morons that impulsive.
First I wanted to say its just Raban but no Feyd also killed a guy for just saying ,,My Lord I recommend-".
A stressful job to be an advisor for them.
>It's a miracle house Harkonnen survived for 10k years with morons that impulsive.
Their avarice, impulsivity and complete lack of morals seems to be their great advantage, they're a pure unga-bunga STR build
But my man here just keeps trucking. The key is to be able to read the room and also be good at your job.
I watched 3/4 Dune 2 before I realized their language is supposed to be subtitled because they didn't turn on automatically for whatever reason what did I miss by not actually knowing what the frick they were saying half the time?
Doesn't matter. It's not supposed to have dialogue anyway.
>torrenting Dune
>scene where everyone is speaking galach
>oh there's no subtitles baked in
>download CC file
>restart scene
>subs say [foreign language]
Bravo pirates
Well, suppose you got what you paid for
>Atreides!!
The two shittest films since the last jedi and no I'm not b8ing. Absolutely awful overhyped thrash staring an emo zoomer with the charisma of a west dishcloth
Every outfit in these movies is drab and looks stupid.
liKe ThAT frickinG MAttErS, bIGoT
That armor looks moronic.
>that subtle proportion trickery to hide that Josh Brolin is a turbo manlet
>contrarians tards defending the Jodomojojojorowsky psychedelia trainwreck, the Lynch crappy version and and now some goofy as hell steampunk looking designs
I'm only defending the Jodorowsky component of the filmverse of Dune history in so far as it produced high expectations for any future Dune adaptation. The expectations rose so high, that it almost seems like this Dunc version is aiming to subvert those very expectations intentionally as if that was the whole point of making it in the first place.
Lynch's Dune was just a decent attempt picking up the pieces of Jodorowsky's pre-production.
Maybe I missed something in the lore, but I saw guns being used more than I expected. If they can use guns in the desert (maybe because shields attract worms?) then why don't they use guns all the time? Please explain.
You seem to be aware of shields, and they like melee combat.
But you dont seem to understand that melee combat is a product of shields making guns less relevant?
But they kept using guns. Chani popped a grunt who was coming behind her while she aimed at the thopter. So guns are relevant there, for reasons that the movie doesn't get into. I vaguely remember the book explaining something about shields not being practical in the deep desert. Then why bother with swords at at all in the deep desert?
This and other issues with the logistics of the world kept bugging me. Yeah, it's SF, with impossible tech, so I should be able to just handwave a lot of these things, but I couldn't. Another question I had was - what do the millions of Fremen eat? Do they have massive hydroponic farms hidden underground? Am I being that guy by even questioning such things? Or is it explained in the books somewhere? If they trade spice with smugglers for grain, then that's got to be a huge operation that would make the Harkonnens seem too incompetent to be a credible threat.
Maybe Denis' minimalist utilitarian aesthetic made the whole thing seem more visually "practical" while more fantastic visuals would have helped me handwave these issues more in my mind - because Spice Magic & Mentats? I dunno.
shields attract the worms
you acknowledged this yourself
if shields attract the worms and drive them into a killing frenzy, why don't the fremen use shields to attract the worms and drive them into a killing frenzy?
they do
they also have the thumpers
shields aren't explicitly intended to attract the worms
thumpers are better at it
partly, becauset they dont necessarily WANT a "frenzied" worm that they cant control or ride
they merely want to attract them
So why did anyone bother with swords in the desert when everyone, including Fremen, had guns that could take out giant carryalls? What am I missing here?
homie, read the fricking books or watch the fricking
hell, read the fricking wiki
the fremen lack a lot industrial production of weaponry, procure a lot their weapons onsite, and use a lot of stealth in there attacks
goddamn how about you actually fricking participate in the shit you are ceaselessly confused about
maybe you would understand it
if you want any level of explanation beyond the absolute most surface level, you'll need to read the books. yes, the fremen keep large stores of water in their sietches. as to their food, Fremen subsist on dairy from donkeys they keep, and they get fruits, nuts, and vegetables from nearby villages as well as getting some produce from terraformed areas. they also hunt and roast desert hare
That's fair. I read the books, but that was decades ago, so I don't remember many of the details. But I do remember that the books did not bother me. But this movie does bother me, because this movie is not the same as the books.
in fairness nothing about the food of the fremen was covered in the first book, just about their water supply. i guess they covered that stuff later. the fremen, above all, are shown to be exceptionally resourceful and adverse to waste of any kind, so in the books the reader probably wasn't thinking about that as much - the Fremen were focused more on having enough water to survive; getting food was not as difficult or pressing as getting water
>I don't remember many of the details
>this movie is not the same as the books
jesus christ you could be reading the books again right now instead of this elaborate troll
P.S. I suppose my more general point is that a movie like this needs to stand on its own, without needing to resort to reading the source material (or any wiki). As I said already, maybe I am being "that (annoying) guy" by not being able to just accept that a movie cannot show every little detail of a fictional world like this, but there is something off about Denis's 2 Dune movies that makes me reluctant to accept that explanation. Something about their tone, or maybe it's the tone of the overall Dune franchise, or maybe it's just my own personal hangup. I'll need to sleep on this some more.
nah i'm in agreement with you there; i was pissed at how much they glossed over what Mentats were in the movies, especially considering Paul was training to be one / is one
the movie definitely left out explanations of things like guns / shields etc. they did a decent enough job explaining the stillsuit, they could have explained guns, too. one of the first things that is explained in the book is that fast moving particle weapons are mostly obsolete due to shielding technology, and only slow weapons like swords and daggers can penetrate the shield by going slowly
It is a dune problem and every adaptation have suffered from the same problem i mean you either go the visual route like villeneuve where they expect you to already understand everything or you go have a narration and hear peoples thoughts to tell you what you think like lynch did which hurts the overall flow of the movie
>Do they have massive hydroponic farms hidden underground
Yes
The truth is that Dune, as influential as it is, doesn't stand the test of time. The weird side of it isn't good. The more grounded side only works within the inverted Hero's Journey of the first two books. Much like the Golden Path, the best of it is what people took into the future to make new things with it.
This is just speculation. The only thing that objectively doesn't stand the test of time is in the 5th and 6th book with the space israelites and the holocaust shilling.
Those, as dumb as they are, are entirely consistent with the themes of the earlier books. Herbert's understanding of how people respond to adversity was extremely simplistic.
Compared to what? Game of Thrones characters?
They were bred for their roles in their respective lives within the story.
Compared to real life. Adversity and overcoming it don't follow a linear path.
Books do, so you should blame the format, not the author nor the story.
Nonsense response
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>when the point you're trying to make is so stupid that anons give you the benefit of the doubt, but you act smug in return
>When someone makes a completely OC post and point, but you just green text akin to giving a fluoride stare.
I can play dumb to.
All these
>HOW COME ____
posters in every thread... the answer is always, will always be: READ THE BOOKS
You guys would rather ask and then read 300 pages of posts trying to sort out trivialities when you could have just read the damn thing in the first place
here friend let me send you to the right board
here friend let me send you to the right board
I don't get it?
it's just a stupid meme some people thought was funny for 5 years. the meme is literally they say sneed. that's it. don't worry about it.
Dune 2's costume design was objectively good (as was the music), whatever else you can say about the film, I never thought I'd see this level of contrarianism on this board.
the desaturation is a bit disappointing and boring to anybody who played video games between 2006 and 2013
That was the brown and bloom era though.
Who tf would cover their face like that to the point that they can't see
lol
Their view isn't obstructed by metal chains.
They originally wanted her completely covered (because she was too pretty), but Ferguson's agent negotiated them down to just a partial veil and face tattoos
Complete and total fricking disaster.
>dunc
>costume good
kek you know you are talkint about dunc and not dune (lynch) right?
Yes, I do know.
bagina :DD
The BG costumes were fine, Harkonnen soldiers too but otherwise no
The Sardaukar and Fremen were great too. Maybe you can argue the Atreides and Emperor's court were a bit boring but that's really it.
Some Fremen were good but look at Stilgar in the final scenes and the Fedaykins, their armors are ugly and look like shit. Stillsuits look visually boring, but at least they upped the turbans in the second movies. Sardaukars look boring as well, they still had the best scene in the first movie but design wise it was lacking.
And the emperor... Good lord... They had something with Irulan but in most scenes she's in boring pajamas
Moving on from my quibbles about the logistics (more about gun use than about Fremen food supply to be honest).
Jessica's psychology felt off. Does she have mastery over her emotions, or is she a fearful animal who cannot stop herself from throwing up?
The biggest set piece was Feyd in the Harkonnen arena. They even gave it a special colour palate. In comparison, Paul drinking the Water of Life felt phoned in, like an afterthought. I don't understand Denis's thought process here. For me, Paul's scene should have overshadowed Feyd's, not the other way around.
Jessica has always been shady but she was basically destroyed by the Water of Life, that seemed to be an obvious theme in the movie. Paul saw his mother turn into a sinister zealot and he fears the same fate. The tentpole scene was Paul's talk with Jessica after the Water of Life and then his speech, not actually taking it.
Fair. Thanks for the thoughtful response, unlike some other posers in this thread.
>who cannot stop herself from throwing up
I think that was pregnancy sickness, and the water harvesting just sent her over the edge. She is looking under the weather and she clutches her stomach earlier.
Yeah. It does humanize her. Maybe I need to let go of my preconception of Bene Gesserit having extraordinary powers of self-control – akin to that Vietnamese monk who set himself on fire.
>It was just pregnancy sickness.
You're a fricking idiot that hasn't read the books. The Bene Gesserit are trained to control all bodily functions, even their metabolism. The goal is to send no body language tells to whoever they are communicating with except by design to install a thought process in the person they're talking to. Dune is about multi-layer communication which is why it has always been deemed difficult to bring to the silver screen.
The water of life is extremely toxic. The process of transmitting it is a challenge that only the most disciplined BG can accomplish
>The water of life is extremely toxic.
All I got from the movie is that anyone drinking the blue jizz instantly turns into an butthole.
Well, it comes from an butthole.
Shit ain't right.
What is that, my dude? It's disturbing, to say the least.
Probably what inspired the worm milking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab
>Their blood contains amebocytes, which play a similar role to the white blood cells of vertebrates in defending the organism against pathogens.
At least the fremen do this in some sort of ritual.
im just waiting for the fan edit that removes the colour filtering
Are those ODSTs?
Troonc is such an uninspired piece of shit, it's genuinely sad that there are "people" defending it. There is zero passion behind it, zero.
>it's genuinely sad that there are "people" defending it.
Please understand, zoomers have no good movie (or entertainment) and they are desperate to have something to call memorable liek every other gen
Or maybe you're a jaded homosexual with an unearned sense of superiority
Or maybe you are a bitter nobody with no good entertinment and an inferiority complex you try to fight with smugness.
Basically sour grapes. You arent' entitled to have entertainment at its peak in your very personal "now"
Media doesn't go away after a few years you mongoloid. Any gen alpha can consume the same crap you did
sardaukar should be naked and covered in blood like berserkers.
Are the fremen not just glorified native Americans and Muslims?
The only thing that REALLY pissed me off about Dune 2 was casting Zendaya. She is UGLY AS FRICK. STOP PUTTING HER IN EVERYTHING. I don't even care that she is mixed. PIck a hot mixed girl then! Just frickin not her. SHE'S UGLY.
Zoomer take.
She’s nothing special, but same is true for Emma Watson.
People having their balls drop in the window where Watson was an influencer might beg to differ, and that’s fine, doesn’t change the perennial aesthetics tho.
Zendaya is a solid meh, but it’s a meh squared. I don’t even give a frick about people giving a frick.
okay i'm 37, and she's ugly as frick. i don't care what you have to say.
Lol you’re my junior. And you still give a frick about flavour of the month?
Smdh, like get a life beyond screenlock ya sadsack just maybe.
>care about flavor of the month
no, butthole, I don't "care about flavor of the month". I get sick of seeing a chick in movies if she's ugly as frick, and i cared about this one.
>smdh
>take
you may or may not be older than me (who fricking cares), but you talk like a frickin trendy chantard. and zoomers are almost 30 now it's time to stop using gay ageist insults or just learn it's time for your homosexual ass to leave
i said she's ugly, and i don't like her in the movies, have a nice day
EW was always ugly, yeah. Dunno what that has to do with Zanzibaya being ugly as frick
I dont get it, why dont the people just take a couple of worms and put the worms on other less fertile planets everywhere. It seemed like the worms survive just fine in enclosed places.
Why not just have a worm pit inside of your ships lol, its somekind of ghey little planet full of jihadis.
ATRYDEEZE NUTS
Lol munchkin legs.
Should have cast someone taller
Design-wise, there are flashes of what could have been. But Denis couldn't make himself go all in. He seems to be holding back, playing things safe. He obviously has the talent. If only he could let himself go of his built-in limiter, he could be so much better.
>He obviously has the talent
He obviously don't
TIMID
Dennis is a creatively TIMID director.
Other than the /GoT/ traces, these are pretty good.
https://www.deviantart.com/deimos-remus/gallery/50045504/dune
Paul and Stilgar are top top top tier. Not sure how I feel about the rest.
Baron in particular I hate, but I typically hate Baron designs
I thought the Piter design was particularly good.
Actually you're right, that one is really good too. So is Duke Leto even though it's not how I pictured him
I like most of these. Even the worm looking like a duck. Being swallowed by a mouth like that would be scarier than all the circular tunnelling machines we keep seeing.
Perfect Vladimir Harkonnen design in my eyes. This is how he looks in the book
DUNC comes super close to getting it right. Probably the movies best design. Vlad should look like a giant bumbling infant who's strength comes entirely from his position of power. I hate the designs that make him look legitimately hard or menacing.
Pic related is a good one too
Pic related is a legitimate zero out of ten for me
I have basically began imagining old and fat Orson Welles but in flowing silk aristocrat robes and ringed fingers.
>and ringed fingers.
dem rangz
The thumbnail in the catalog really made it look like they shapely women bodies with breasts
I get no respect from the Landsraad, I tell ya!
Why didn't they use their miniguns against the fremen?
Nobody wants to admit that DUNC has the best Paul design of literally any adaptation.
There are people who don't think that? This Paul is absolute peak.
Eh. Chamelt found it necessary to get a bit shouty at times. Maybe there was a better way to convey gravitas.
I'm just talking about his design. The prophet look he has going on after drinking the water of life and the clash of white/black robes is awesome.
Imagine if they crafted that scene so the sardaukar bodyguard leaves the chamber, advancing down the hall into darkness with a steady, marching cadence. The royal Court hears the sound of fighting, then silence, then the irregular swish-step-pause-step-step-swish of the fremen creeping forward.
I don't know, just an idea.
What is this meme I'm seeing in modern scifi movies?
*sings*
Has Dune 3 actually been confirmed?
it's confirmed shit
Yeah they just started production on it a week or so ago
Pretty sure they said they wanted to leave a significant gap before it releases however.. maybe 2027?