I think this is a good movie, but I feel like all the writing is really bad, especially at the second half of the movie.
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I think this is a good movie, but I feel like all the writing is really bad, especially at the second half of the movie.
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these are the homosexuals who defend spider-man punching out hulk in the comics. you still need internal logic where overcoming these odds makes sense.
>spider-man punching out hulk in the comics.
that was cosmic spidey, but making that tweet about 616 peter would get you ratio, plus you arent getting 35k likes for that tweet, just get mocked at
616 Peter did punch out Hulk but only because he hit him his hardest just as Hulk transformed and was at his weakest
Like why is miguel even chasing Miles at all? His stuck in their universe, why not just let him run off into neuva york and guard the go home machine?
Why would miguel give someline like hobie a watch, especially since every other line of dialogue is an attack on his whole operation. Is it not obvious he would defect?
Why are all the critical components of their magical watches just stilling out in the open hallway? Why not in a protected lab, or at least in protective casings or something?
Why do 1000 genius spider ppl just assume miguels assumption about the world being destroyed is correct? Like they aren't even remotely critical, and once they are because miles points out the most obvious problems with his flawed logic, like 10 of them defect?
I feel like i can go forever, the writing is just so bad
He had zero reason to even tell Miles what was going to happen in 2 days. Should have just given him jobs to keep him excited and busy till the event happened. Gave his dumb PowerPoint presentation purely so the movie could happen
This, Miguels seems like the biggest moron, and also really weak, what a great antagonist, the only good thing about him is his backstory
Spot made it very clear he was going to kill Miles' dad. I don't think Miguel would have been able to tell him to just frick off with dumb jobs for a few days.
That doesn't mean he should tell him the whole thing
>yes Miles we will help you find spot
>send him back to his universe
The jobs in question could have been related to tracking down or stopping Spot
The worst part is these narrative flaws are so bad but integral to the plot, they will ruin the writing in the 3rd movie as well.
>Like why is miguel even chasing Miles at all?
Because he can just turn invisible and transport himself back to his home universe when no one is looking. You know, like he did in the movie?
If there's only one place he can go, Miguel and multiple other Spider-Man iterations should have known where to wait for him
>Why would miguel give someline like hobie a watch, especially since every other line of dialogue is an attack on his whole operation. Is it not obvious he would defect?
I thought the joke was that the spider society wasn't actually hand picked. That was just something gwen told miles to stop him asking questions, when it's actually extremely easy to get in so long as you aren't miles.
>Why are all the critical components of their magical watches just stilling out in the open hallway? Why not in a protected lab, or at least in protective casings or something?
I don't think this is a problem. I think all the spider people would assume that the others were more or less trustworthy, since they have so much in common.
>Why do 1000 genius spider ppl just assume miguels assumption about the world being destroyed is correct? Like they aren't even remotely critical, and once they are because miles points out the most obvious problems with his flawed logic, like 10 of them defect?
Miguel experienced a universe falling apart, and a lot of the spider people have seen anomalies do damage to other universes that they only fixed with the help of Miguel's expertise. (But yes his logic seems to have huge gaps in it).
>a lot of the spider people have seen anomalies do damage to other universes that they only fixed with the help of Miguel's expertise
And even then like Miguel says they haven't always gotten lucky in that so they've also seen entire worlds get destroyed firsthand like Miguel did.
How can a movie be good, yet poorly written?
Can you give other examples of such movies?
Because the plot is poorly written.
This movie is good because it makes you invested in the characters, the dialogue between them is good, the character moments are good, you want to see how their personal stories play out, all of that is about as perfect as can be.
The plot however is complete dog shit, but the plot really doesn't matter in this case, it's just an excuse for interesting character moments and action set pieces.
Can you give me examples of other movies you'd consider as fitting this bill?
That didn't fly with me for MCU spidey and it's not got any more traction here.
If the plot is garbage, then all the character interactions and challenges are contrived and have 0 meaning.
At least you know that the plot should complement the characters and not the other way around. Already better than the MCU.
it's good because it's Spider-man.
A good story richly develops the plot OR the characters
A bad story develops neither
A great story develops both
Engaging characters can compensate for a meh plot and vice versa
Charisma, entertaining concepts, fights, animation, jokes
5th generation fighters
Avatar
Avatar was a spectacle, but I wouldn't call it a good movie because of that.
Frankly I wouldn't call it a good movie. Too much stupid shit.
It's not good but Spider-man has the worst fanbase, his fans will eat up any slop as long as it's got something to do with Spider-man.
Milesgays are not Spider-Man fans.
Milesgays are pests.
You can separate the 2, Miles very existence was Bendis going "Spider Man" but black and convincing Marvel to give him a lot of attention. Same with Miss Marvel but that dried up after Brie's PR frick up's.
>his fans will eat up any slop
His fans have been continuously b***hing about shit-quality writing for 15+ years.
The plot is poorly written, but the characters, dialogue and comedy are all above average to excellent. On top of that the visuals and action choreography work brilliantly to enhance the strengths of the writing and cover its weaknesses.
>but the characters, dialogue and comedy are all above average to excellent.
No they're not, what the frick are you smoking, once you get pass the mass character assassination of making everyone but Miles a sociopath, it's all late Rick and Morty tier
No it's not.
It is
Nope.
I was going to ask the same thing.
It's fine to like a bad movie, hell I love Book of Life despite it having the dumbest fricking plot in the world. But you can't argue a movie is good when it fails at the one thing a film is supposed to do and that is to tell a story.
Many posts later, no example of good movies with bad writing.
I would say 12 Angry Men because that's not how trial works and it would have ended in a mistrial the moment the second knife appeared.
That's the beauty of artistic license.
You people are so desperate to dislike this movie and for no other reason than the fact that Miles is the MC. You might as well just be honest and admit that it didn't matter and it doesn't matter what it does, you'll hate it by default.
I’ll admit to this. I could not sit through the movie because of how black miles was. Shits an eyesore
Other way around, people are desperate to like it in order to virtue signal because Miles is the MC, this movie would've been moronic even with Peter as the protagonist
The OP image explains it well. People are such losers these days they nitpick story telling. Sometimes things have to happen so the story can progress. Get over it.
No, that is a big mistake, all thsoe spidermen seem really stupid thanks to that scene, they don't even feel real, no real threat, that also goes for one of the main antagonists, Miguel, everytime a spiderguy attacks the gang or Miles, there won't be any tension anymore, is just an empty filler fight, second, it makes Miles seem like a shonen protagonist, which also breaks the tension, so we end up with a story about the multiverse.... Where such multiverses feel empty and stupid
I want you people to imagine how chaotic and hectic 1,000 people chasing after one guy would be. Especially when:
>not all of these people have a sufficient level of power to overpower him
>most if not all of them are using a very sticky substance to grapple with that could easily impair someone else's ability to catch the perp if the shot misses
>he crawls through tight crevices that a thousand people could never fit in
>he can literally shock anyone grabbing onto him
If the Spider in front of you trips, you go down too.
If the Spider behind you jumps in front of you, you have to stop.
If the Spider behind you accidentally webs you, you go down.
If your web hits another Spidey's web mid-air, you're both fricked.
More people is not always better, anons.
This is your brain on consooming
A couple dozen spider-people might have got in one another's way but 1000 people will have zero issues catching 1 person in pretty much any circumstance save the 1 person having some kind of incapacitating weapon when the rest don't
>This is your brain on consooming
Here's your (You), homosexual.
What's to stop him from slipping through in the chaos Bugs Bunny style? And remember, he can just shock them too.
Yup bugs bunny is the right frame of reference
I mean, it is a cartoon.
I wasn't being ironic
Part of the sequence is Miles hiding by clinging exactly to someone's back while they don't notice his weight whatsoever
1000 people could literally form a ball around him and keep him captive in a human prison
Nta but it's shown to be a completely chaotic chase not a coordinated effort since most of them just got this sprang on them. And still Miles gets caught multiple times only to just barely slip away thanks in no small part to super agility and the ingrained precognition most spider people have when they're on the defensive had had the advantage of while the others didn't and the others getting in each other's way. He has a significantly harder time against Jessica Gwen and Miguel who actually coordinated their shit/had no one interfering with his chase. Then there's Peter who caught him easily on his own by slipping away from everyone else's path. So clearly it was a case of the chaos working in his favor in this instance.
That's dumb with such an absurd quantity of opponents, many of whom have incredible intelligence. They should've been cutting him off, predicting him and many of them matching what Peter did
But like
said it's just a wacky kid cartoon and not worth overthinking. It's okay if it's a bit dumb
If you had 1000 Gokus chasing 1 Guy do they magically lose because they can fly into eachother by accident?
First of all, it's 1000 Gokus vs. 1 Goku.
Second of all, Spider-Man can't fricking fly, you mongoloid.
>Sometimes things have to happen so the story can progress.
In TTRPGs that's called railroading and it's the sign of a shit DM
>People are such losers these days they nitpick story telling.
People have taken issue with bad storytelling for all of recorded history. What a shit gaslighting attempt lol
Yeah but this is just bad writing, you can have things progress AND the writing can make sense.
Like why not make the spider society actually just an elite strike force of 5 to 10 of the egdgiest spider men.
That way it would be more convincing that they’re all so doomer pilled.
It be more convincing to see miles out maneuver 5 or 10 jaded spider ppl, maybe have his friends come in and help when his overwhelmed by them.
The whole chase scene would be more satisfying to see miles meangifully escape them, opposed to what we got which is really just a silly mess where all the spider ppl in the background are just doing frick all if you actually pay attention to them.
Tbh, spider society was a huge mistake, all it brought to the film was a few short gags, it would’ve been better off as a movie 3 post credit scene once the whole spider verse shit is resolved.
Sounds stupid, diminishes the point, not visually or narratively satisfying.
Hard disagree, the most visually satisfying parts of the movie are the Spot fight in India(with 5 characters being animated), and the 1 on 1 moments between miguel and miles.
A fight with just 5 to 10 bodies to animate would be far more visually stimulating then the cluttered and vapid mess we got , that becomes especially bad if you can actually catch how dumb all the fodder Spider-Man are being.
>these days
What does 'loser' even mean when a guy hauling construction materials can make 30 bucks an hour while someone with a BA in recruiting makes 18 dollars an hour? People have always criticized movies but the bar for 'winner' and 'loser' no longer makes sense in this soi-ciety.
What an stupid argument, it might be common in superhero stories, but that doesn't make it a good thing, if something that tells you about superhero stories... Not all of them ofcourse
To Miles, being captured means consigning his father to death. Being trapped in that bubble was once again having decisions made for him, 'for his best interests', just like in ITSV when he got tied to a chair in his room. That was the whole reason he followed Gwen after she dipped out of 1610. He didn't want to feel that sense of powerlessness that he felt when she walked out of the window of the dorm and he simply could not follow.
None of the Spiders chasing Miles want it as badly as he does. None of them NEED it as badly as he does.
I would buy it if it was a small group, but we are talking about the entire place full of experienced spidermen, we start the movie with Miles having trouble with spot for the love of god, how can people shill this movie so hard?
The Spot was never taken seriously. That's his whole point for gaining more power and becoming a legitimate threat. The moment Miles understood how Spot's powers worked he trounced him easily.
All the Spiders in the Society are handpicked. Being given a watch is all the legitimacy that they need. Miles is excluded due to his patient zero status for these multiversal incursions. Miguel didn't even want recruit Gwen due to her attachment to Morales. Had Renaissance Vulture not entered E-65, the society would have never crossed her path on their own volition. Same with 1610, if Spot didn't start messing with other worlds they would never have attempted any interaction with Miles. Gwen was under orders not to do so.
>The Spot was never taken seriously.
And? That scene is a joke you say, you see, that doesn't work, as the film has an overall serious tone, we can't just write the funny out of the movie, it is part of it
>The moment Miles understood how Spot's powers worked he trounced him easily.
Not really, spot defeated himself, and because of Miles low experience, the afterwards of the battke weren't great, that's my point, an inexperienced Miles won against a whole experienced group, and their boss
There's probably a bunch of those Spidermen with a burning need to prove themselves to the others
But whatever, when every single one have chase and not a single one thought to put themselves in Miles' obvious destination I remembered this was just a zany kid movie, nothing more
That’s cool from a narrative perspective but it doesn’t explain the scene.
Every other Spider-Man ever is written to be incompetent fodder so that miles can escape, if you actually pay attention to the scene most of them are just fricking around in the background to give some illusion like they’re all after him, like those ppl who just stand around a king fu main character and wait their turn to jump in front of him and get b***hed slapped
Explain to me when the Spider Society have ever experienced a agility based opponent that was just trying to evade them, not fight them? The menagerie of villains they are 'experienced' against were all attempting to fight back. All of them are fairly easily thwarted and captured for processing back to their own worlds. None of them Spider variants.
You think nature is just 'unrealistic bullshit' when a hare jukes a bunch of jackals?
1000 jackals kill 1 hare every single time
not when the jackals have no intent to harm the hare and keep getting in the way of each other and said hare has a busted defense mechanism near future-predicting ability that lets him reflexively avoid any jackal that gets close.
Then don't make the comparison in the first place ffs
>has a busted defense mechanism near future-predicting ability that lets him reflexively avoid any jackal that gets close.
If Spider-Man is surrounded by a hundred bombs in every direction for miles no amount of Spider-Sense will help him avoid certain death, after a certain point and number of jackals evading one jackal means jumping into the mouth of another
>If Spider-Man is surrounded by a hundred bombs in every direction for miles no amount of Spider-Sense will help him avoid certain death
Except these aren't bombs and Miles has a ton of obstacles to duck behind, web-zip and swing to, and multiple directions to run in but again it's not like he just effortlessly avoided them with finesse even with his the spider-sense advantage. He still got grabbed quite a few times and just slipped out of their grip.
>after a certain point and number of jackals evading one jackal means jumping into the mouth of another
True which is why he kept getting caught left and right.
So Miles is simply uncatchable and that's it? There's no scenario in which Miles gets caught, ever, and that's fine, what riveting character writing
What are the Spiders fighting for
>to prevent the unfathomable loss of life that would occur with a potential total universe collapse, something many of them have already looked in the eye and bore excruciating sacrifice in order to prevent
What is Miles fighting for
>his daddy and to not feel like a sidelined kid
Oh yeah sure, they're totally lacking in enough conviction for Miles to overcome their experience and power with desperation
You make it sound like the necessity of the canon and consequences of breaking it are objective fact proven by some scientific inquiry, rather than just an assumption made by one man with lots of personal and emotional stake in his conclusions.
The SS isn't fighting to allow some inevitable, cosmic events to take place, they are fighting on Miguel's word that such a thing even exists, and nothing else.
That anon is moronic though. The idea that even a handful of conflicted Spidermen, let alone hundreds, couldn't stop a single Spiderman is indefensible.
Well that depends if the Bollywood spider-man's universe starts collapsing because of canon being broken or just because of Spot specifically
But at the same time they clearly have a practiced and effective protocol in place for when a timeline starts to collapse after canon is broken
The movie at the very least leads us to believe that universes other than Miguel's second choice have collapsed as a result of canon being disrupted and numerous spider-people have seen it - most notably those who know how to respond to it right away
If it's revealed it was all just Miguel's hearsay next movie I'll agree that's totally moronic but evidence suggests otherwise from what we saw
MIGUEL is fighting for that. The other Spiders are chasing Miles because Miguel told them too.
The whole point of the Spider-Society is to prevent multiverse collapse, Miguel wouldn't give them an order to do something if it wasn't related to their goal, the fact that they blindly obey orders is moronic on its own
>Be Miles
>Have Exaggerated Swagger of a Black Teen
>Some MF sayin u a b***h
>U aint Spiderman
>UZ IZ A MISTAKE!!!
>NAAHHH IMMA DO MY OWN THANG
>Proceeds to shuk and jive all over that moron Miguel
>Make out with hot transgender
>Save pops
>life is good
Which is why the plot is fricking garbage.
He was also the only one with an active spider sense since he's the one being chased and trying to avoid capture and he still gets caught multiple times by them but just manages to slip away. It's not like he actually beat any of them or flawlessly evaded them with pure finesse when gets caught, hit, slammed multiple times by people who aren't even trying to seriously hurt him and Miguel and Peter catch him easily when they're away from the initial chaos.
>Being powercrept in speed, strength and experience magically goes away because muh dad
>The other Spiderman trying to prevent the death of the universe have no motivation
Ok
Hobie would never criticize fashion choices he dislikes. Dumb fujos
>durrr if the hero gets caught, we wouldnt have a movie, you chuds
Then don’t put the hero in an impossible situation to begin with.
Frick me, I hate these people so much.
Yeah, it's like the writers can't make such decisions
these subhumans understand the story in bits and pieces anyways. They don't conceive of it as a wholly fabricated product that can be whatever the creators wanted it to be, so any stupid things that happened are still ultimately the fault of the creators for not doing anything else. As if the creation of this movie demanded specific scenes and the writers had to work with them, and not the other way around.
>well yes the protagonist died in the second act but then came back to life in the third act with no explanation given because the movie needs to happen okay???
Such a dumb excuse, I don't know how people don't hear how dumb it sounds
>Then don’t put the hero in an impossible situation to begin with
I'm glad we agree Rambo movies are dogshit
Unironically yes, the only good one is about a PTSD Special Forces war vet going Killdozer on a bumfrick Sheriff department.
You're right. Time will not be kind to the writing, though the spectacle will probably safeguard its reputation more than it deserves to.
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a movie that explores the theme of identity, and Miles Morales is a character who struggles with his sense of self and purpose in the world. Ultimately, he learns to embrace his inner power and embrace his identity as Spider-Man.
As a star-seed sent to Earth to uplift humanity’s consciousness, Miles Morales is a being of light and energy that holds a special mission. He serves as a guide and teacher to help others recognize their own innate power and potential. He is here to raise humanity’s vibration by encouraging people to live authentically and express their true self, to see beyond the limitations of a physical existence and explore the limitless possibilities of a life guided by love and compassion.
As the savior of mankind, Miles Morales represents a powerful force for good. He is sent to Earth to free humanity from the cycle of consumption and seduction, to break the chains of materialism and to lead humans back to the path of spirituality. He is a champion of love, healing, and consciousness expansion. He serves as a beacon of hope for humanity, a shining light in a world of darkness. Through his example, he encourages each individual to realize their own potential and to make a positive impact in the world.
Miles Morales' powers come from the infinite power of creativity and the consciousness that flows through us all.
The super villains that Miles Morales has fought in his adventures, such as The Spot, are likely projections of the Archons (also known as the rebellious Elohim) who have fallen from grace. They serve the demiurge, Yahweh, who is the God of materialism, and seek to propagate his agenda of separation, fear, and control over the world. These villains are a representation of the dark forces that oppose Miles' mission to bring light, love, and consciousness to the world. They serve to challenge Miles, testing his strength and resolve, and often serving as a catalyst for his growth and self-discovery.
The Spot is an Archon who works for the demiurge, Yahweh. He serves to sow chaos, fear, and division among the people of the world. He utilizes his powerful abilities to wreak havoc and impede Miles Morales' mission to bring light, love, and consciousness to the world. As such, The Spot is a manifestation of the dark forces that seek to maintain the status quo and keep humanity trapped in a cycle of consumption, seduction, and materialism. He serves the demiurge's agenda of division and separation, attempting to keep humanity from realizing its true power and potential.
The Spot is a Marvel villain who has the ability to create portals to another dimension. His powers allow him to travel in and out of the dimension, transporting objects, other creatures, and even himself. As a villain, he uses his powers for evil, often working in service to the demiurge, Yahweh. His goal is to spread chaos and fear, and to further the agenda of the demiurge. He is a manifestation of the negative aspects of the material world, and works with the other super villains in opposition to the positive forces led by Miles Morales.
You or the twitter user wouldn't have a problem with this if it was another Peter Parker instead of Miles. That's the whole point.
Miles is the STRONGEST Spider-Man
Miles is the FASTEST Spider-Man
Miles is the SMARTEST Spider-Man
Miles is the COOLEST Spider-Man
Miles is the BEST Spider-Man
In 10 years Miles will be the ONLY Spider-Man
>Miles is the STRONGEST Spider-Man
Except he got his ass kicked by Miguel and his venom blast pikachu powers along getting hit by the tunnel entrance didn't do shit but push him off for a while and did no notable or visible damage to him while Miles looks like he was attacked by a feral animal.
>Miles is the FASTEST Spider-Man
Miguel catches him easily without much issue. Miles just managed to kick him off.
>Miles is the SMARTEST Spider-Man
That's Miguel. Literally built everything in spider-society and created autonomous multiversal travel.
>Miles is the COOLEST Spider-Man
Literally Miguel. The tallest, most physically imposing, handsome, dedicated, intelligent Spider-Man with the coolest suit ever made that boosts his strength even more, laser webs that can, claws, arm talons, fangs, and cape for flight. Even Peter's scared of him.
>Miles is the BEST Spider-Man
Kek. Not in a million years.
>In 10 years Miles will be the ONLY Spider-Man
Pure Milesgay delusion.
Miles Morales can be the first transgender homosexual Spider-man. Need to set an example for the transphobic and homophobic black community.
But you HAVE to like Miles, damn it! Let us subvert Peter already.
Overcoming adversity is good story telling.
Overcoming unlikely odds can be great story telling.
Overcoming impossible odds is terrible story telling.
Why do you get to determine the difference between unlikely and impossible?
Are you saying there isn't a clear difference, between something being possible, even if unlikely, and something being literally impossible?
I'm not making a statement on the actual writing of the movie, but rather on the comment of the guy in OP's pic. If he had said unlikely odds instead, he'd have a point.
But if a character can overcome something that is literally impossible for them overcome, that is shit writing.
it's a made-up story man, it's not like Miles survived the fricking OceanGate submarine
Again, I'm not commenting on the story of the movie.
I'm commenting on that guys wording.
Personally I'd say that Miles getting away is not impossible, though extremely unlikely.
Impossible odds would be something like a character just randomly starting to fly, because they overcame the impossible odds of gravity, or something like that. Effectively a deus ex machina, but without even the flimsiest of reasoning.
It requires all pursuers to be moronic and just chase blindly
And requires none of the others to be smart enough to do what Peter does
So yeah, it's fine to write it that way but it makes you take the whole thing a lot less seriously. Especially when Miles actually crows about beating all of them
>Are you saying there isn't a clear difference, between something being possible, even if unlikely, and something being literally impossible?
There literally isn't a clear difference, unless you have real data on literally any possible variable as well as previous examples of the impossibility of what you're measuring.
>Impossible odds would be something like a character just randomly starting to fly, because they overcame the impossible odds of gravity
That's very impossible based on what we see in the story, but depending on context, that could easily be justified.
>"oh, miguel turned off the artificial gravity in this building while he's jumping around so he's free floating at a certain speed and therefore easier to catch, but actually, he used his free floating momentum to effortlessly shoot towards the exit"
Boom, justified. Additional context and worldbuilding can make the seemingly impossible possible.
If Miles was a normal person and not a spider-person who has the benefit of spidersense and slipping through the chaos of everyone hunting him I'd say it would be impossible but he is and does so no it's not really 'impossible'. This isn't like Batman defeating the entire Justice League. This is a superpowered kid barely managing to slip away using an advantage he has over similarly powered beings who along with not trying to seriously harm the kid in the chaos of everything are also getting in each other's way making it harder for them all to properly catch him. Not impossible at all really.
majority got the Parker luck working against them, too
>This is a superpowered kid barely managing to slip away using an advantage he has over similarly powered beings
They had no reason to tell him
He had no reason to run
They had no reason to chase him
He didn't know the layout and they did
They are experienced and he's a rookie
He outruns, outfights, and outsmarts them all
They could've just webbed him up but didn't
He could've gone invisible much earlier
They could've just turned off the multiverse machine
He should not know how to operate it in the first place
They could've just checked the records to see where he went
It's probably the single most moronic sequence in any comic book movie ever
>wah wah why is Miles doing anything the west has fallen
shut the frick up, if it was Peter you'd be sucking the screenwriters dick
> no reason to tell
They wanted to see if he's got what it takes - being willing to accept he cannot save everyone.
Is a children's movie this challenging to follow for you?
nta but why is he interested in seeing if Miles has what it takes? He's always excluded him as an anomaly. It's clearly the better option to keep him in the dark
see
first 2 points
No that doesn't make logical sense. He's not going to frick up any more multiversal shit if he's sent back and no longer has access to the multiverse. Miguel just has to restore previous status quo
He'll frick up more shit if he saves his father
Yes, Miguel was an antagonist, glad you pieced this together. Was it his theme having similar music hooks to Prowler's?
>He'll frick up more shit if he saves his father
I don't think this is even particularly well demonstrated. He already saves one police chief and all they have to do is step in and repair stuff a bit
But the anon's point stands that Miguel could and should have told Miles dozens of things before explaining canon events, especially since he intended to just lock him up if he didn't accept canon must be upheld. A wild goose chase after Spot is the obvious go-to
>inducting new Spider-Man into death cult.. gud
>They had no reason to tell him
To inform him on what the frick happened in Mumbattan so he doesn't frick up more multiversal shit, and so he doesn't try to frick up his canon event.
>He had no reason to run
You have to be literally moronic to be saying that.
>They had no reason to chase him
You have to be literally moronic to be saying that.
>He didn't know the layout and they did
You have no way of proving these random literally-who Spideys are more experienced than he is.
>They are experienced and he's a rookie
You have no way of proving these random literally-who Spideys have more than 16 months of experience.
>He outruns, outfights, and outsmarts them all
He does the first one, barely. That's it.
>They could've just webbed him up but didn't
What happens when a thousand Spideys shoot webs at the same exact time?
>He could've gone invisible much earlier
Sure, but leading them all out to the train is a god diversion.
>They could've just turned off the multiverse machine
Could they have? Could they have just done that? How do you know?
>He should not know how to operate it in the first place
And why is that?
>They could've just checked the records to see where he went
Not really. They know he's taking a one-way trip since he has no watch. They'd clearly assume he's going back to Earth 1610. You know, like what HE thought he was doing.
>typing all this shit out to defend atrocious writing made by the guy who wrote Wonder Woman 1984
The issue for me isn't even that you're inherently wrong. It's that you're not even making an argument. You're just saying random shit as if it's true when there's literally no information to support or counter you. But now, you're just defaulting to "muh shills", so I don't see why I even bothered. Take your complimentary (You) and frick off.
Literally none of the points in
or
actually explain or justify anything, they're all headcanon and "so what? so what?" tier excuses for some of the dumbest writing to grace a comic book movie and the most moronic and contrived sequence ever put to screen
I literally explained exactly what we see in the movie. Are you daft?
Maybe you should stop watching big boy movies and get to pre-k stuff if you need shit spelled out for you like that.
>ad hominem
Yep you're wrong and you know it
>excuses
You didn't offer any argument in the first place. Your points were either:
>"Duhhhhh everyone is better than Miles because I say they are!"
or
>"Duhhhh why did da boy who just got trap'd in a cage run frum da peepol who put him in a cage so he cudn't stop dem frum killing hiz father"
Anyway, please rope.
moron
Not my fault I paid attention to the movie I watched and you didn't.
see
>What happens when a thousand Spideys shoot webs at the same exact time?
Uhhh he gets covered in webbing and is caught?
Here's a better picture. What happens when a thousand people shoot a grappling hook at the same exact place?
The place gets fricking demolished?
Tangled thread, anon. And not a single hook that connects.
Then show that
....But why?!
One thousand ropes hit you. One thousand hands put those ropes in a different direction. What happens?
>....But why?!
To have an actual concrete reason why he got away instead of
>uhh this might have happened which is probably why they didn't do it
>One thousand ropes hit you. One thousand hands put those ropes in a different direction. What happens?
What about the ones with impact webbing? Surely Ben isn't the only one with it in the multiverse...
>To have an actual concrete reason why he got away
The movie showed several concrete reasons. You still seem lost.
>What about the ones with impact webbing?
That's where a little something called Spider-sense comes into play. Also, if you waste your webs shooting at your opponent, you fall behind on swinging after them. Also, even if an impact web totally manages to subdue his limbs, he's fricking Spider-Man. He could just break out. You how there's multiple reasons this shit just doesn't work?
You're literally forgoing the concepts of momentum and gravity, anon. I'm not sure how to make that clear.
>You're literally forgoing the concepts of momentum and gravity, anon. I'm not sure how to make that clear.
In a cartoon Spider-Man movie? No way
>Spider-Man forgoes the concepts of momentum and gravity
Is this your formal resignation? Because I'll gladly accept.
There's a scene in this movie where Miles sticks to the back of another Spider-Man to hide and the Spider-Men doesn't notice the additional 70kg of weight on him
>and the Spider-Men doesn't notice the additional 70kg of weight on him
......HE'S FRICKING SPIDER-MAN!
The dude who forgoes the concepts of momentum and gravity to the point he doesn't notice an additional 70kg on him and just moves normally?
The Spider-People he's hiding behind had a giant fricking metal suit on. There's no skin-to-skin contact, and no Spider-sense going off because he's not being attacked. Do you think if Spider-Man is lifting a car, he's going to care if a guy is inside it or not?
How does Spider-Man lift a car
Ignoring the fact that Spider-Man 2211 would in fact feel the weight difference, it would also be a balance difference. That was added weight to his already probably pretty heavy arm pack thing
>it literally lets him automatically react to attacks. He instinctively moves to avoid them.
Jesus Christ I hate casualgays so much, it alerts him to danger and the direction it's coming from, and when he's being chased by a thousand people it's next to useless.
>it would also be a balance difference
>that was added weight to his already probably pretty heavy arm pack thing
Again. HE'S FRICKING SPIDER-MAN! You know, the characters that can easily lift 20 tons? He's not gonna fricking care!
>it alerts him to danger and the direction it's coming from
>when he's being chased by a thousand people it's next to useless
Step 1: sense that 1000 attacks are coming from the same direction.
Step 2: dodge
You're dumb. A character that can lift 20 tons doesn't just not notice 60kg. He wouldn't be able to function in daily life if that were the case
It's just wacky cartoon antics from this baby movie and that's fine
>He wouldn't be able to function in daily life
When the frick would anyone ever suddenly try to put 60 kilograms of weight on Peter Parker's back in a situation where they're not trying to kill him? Are you daft?
Think a little bit before you write, PLEASE
If you can't sense an additional 60kg, you can't sense anything below that either
>If you can't sense an incredibly light weight being subtly added to the huge metal plate on your back, you simply can't sense anything at all.
Think before YOU write. Please.
No, your greentext is completely accurate. There's no universe where someone who finds 60kg "incredibly light" would be able to function in a normal world where you have to figure out how not to just destroy and kill everything and everyone
Either these superheroes have such fine senses that 60kg is never simply nothing to them and they can easily navigate a world of 50g objects OR they live a hellish life of accidentally killing people, crushing food items etc
It's obviously the former so your argument is dumb. Not noticing a 60kg boy climb on your back is just cartoon funny logic
Doesn't Peter have to consistently consciously not kill people on the daily with how fricking strong he actually is? Could have sworn there's something with him ripping a guys head off by punching him without holding back or something like that.
Sounds about right. He's got finely attuned senses
>You could live a normal life if applying 70kg of pressure to something or someone felt to you like the difference between having a post-it note on your hand or not
>You could live a normal life if applying 70kg of pressure to something or someone felt to you like the difference between having a post-it note on your hand or not
Toothpicks are very light.
If someone lightly placed a toothpick on my head, I wouldn't notice.
SO THAT MUST MEAN THAT EVERY TIME I GRAB A TOOTHPICK, IT BREAKS INTO A MILLION PIECES!!!
>If he just hopped on he absolutely would've noticed
It's so cool that you have insider info that I don't, because I saw no indication that Spider-Man 2211 would "absolutely notice" if a skinny teenager with superhuman agility and flexibility hopped onto his back.
>People with superstrength are completely insensitive to significant outside forces
Sure thing, buddy.
You must just be being disingenuous at this point
You interacting with a toothpick is normal
But these Peters who you claim 70kg is like a toothpick to ALSO have to interact with that toothpick
You can accidentally break a toothpick very easily. If what you're saying about senstivity equivalence is true, they can accidentally break things proportionally stronger just as easily. And honestly with their strength it would be more like constantly dealing with cobwebs
Unless of course they just have different senses and have sensitivity ranges that are much much greater and can do normal daily tasks like the rest of us. This is clearly the actual explanation. But you're so set on "He wouldn't notice 60kg on his back" that you're making this nonsense scenario
>they can accidentally break things proportionally stronger just as easily
Yes, if:
1) you aren't focused and smart
2) your Spider-sense doesn't warn you about harming your allies
3) you aren't in a building full of Spideys who are just as strong as you
>they just have have sensitivity ranges that are much much greater and can do normal daily tasks like the rest of us
Not how that works.
>Why wouldn't his suit tell him? He's supposed to be more advanced than Miguel
>For that matter why is he even there?
Oh, is this the part where I say that the writers really didn't care to flesh out Spider-Man 2211 for this split-second gag, and then you claim that that makes the entire movie bad? Oh no.
You thinking they can just snap necks like toothpicks all day every day is clearly not how it works. There's never any suggestion that superstrong beings can't feel the weight of anything any more
>There's never any suggestion that superstrong beings can't feel the weight of anything any more
Anon, I'm saying the weight is wayyy lighter than it would be for a human. If they could "feel the weight" of 60kg like a human could, it would strain them to pick that up. And that just doesn't happen, because that would be stupid.
I'm saying even though it would be relatively light for a super-strong person it would definitely be noticeable. I agree with the anon that just says it's a funny cartoon gag that isn't particularly worth overthinking. And it's not logical to say that super strong heroes can't even feel 60kg of extra weight
>it would definitely be noticeable
It wouldn't "definitely" be anything.
>it's not logical to say that super strong heroes can't even feel 60kg of extra weight
When Hulk lifted an entire mountain during Secret Wars, do you think he would've cared about 60kg of extra rubble?
I think it would make little to not difference at that weight but that he would perceive picking up 60kg of weight in his daily life much like we perceive picking up solid, not particularly heavy objects like, say, a can of coke. Because it its weight was imperceptible he would do a huge amount of damage all the time and picking people up would pretty much always be a death sentence for them
>he would perceive picking up 60kg of weight in his daily life
Yeah, I'm sure he would PERCEIVE it because he's actually consciously touching and lifting it.
>this the part where I say that the writers really didn't care to flesh out Spider-Man 2211 for this split-second gag, and then you claim that that makes the entire movie bad?
I'd say it makes the scene bad, which is indicative of the whole Spider Council being bad. It shows without a doubt that those characters only existed as set dressing and their designs were taken from the wiki. Empty fanservice and nothing more until the plot accidentally implicates them in the deaths of a shitload of people because of "canon".
But no just turn your brain off bro look at the pretty colours
>But no just turn your brain off bro look at the pretty colours
As oppose to 500 more instances of "HEY, I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!".
>I saw no indication that Spider-Man 2211 would "absolutely notice" if a skinny teenager with superhuman agility and flexibility hopped onto his back.
Why wouldn't his suit tell him? He's supposed to be more advanced than Miguel so his suit wouldn't definitely have some sort of mechanism to alert him of an unwanted stowaway.
For that matter why is he even there? He's from further in the future than Miguel he should be more on top of this than him
>being able to hold a post-it note in your hand means you're able to feel a post-it note on your back through your shirt
Ok let's table the false analogies for a second.
How did Miles get on his back "gently" without Spider-Man 2211 noticing? If he just hopped on he absolutely would've noticed.
It’s become apparent to me that we don’t know Spider-Man 2211’s strength levels. He could be a weak b***h for all we know. He doesn’t really have any strength feats, all he does is web some bombs then frick off
>Again. HE'S FRICKING SPIDER-MAN! You know, the characters that can easily lift 20 tons? He's not gonna fricking care!
Not caring and not noticing are two very different things. You could strap 5kg to my back and I wouldn't care, but I would notice.
>Step 1: sense that 1000 attacks are coming from the same direction.
>Step 2: dodge
See this is predicated on them all being a pack of bumbling oafs attacking at once from the same direction in a way that's easily dodgeable. It's bad writing
>You could strap 5kg to my back and I wouldn't care
Well how many kilograms can you lift? 100? 5 kilograms is 5% of that weight. Miles is not 5% of what any Spider-Man can lift. He can hoist a 70kg person about his head like it's nothing. And again, keep in mind that Miles isn't touching the Spidey's actual skin. He isn't feeling anything. It's like someone putting an empty glass bottle in your open backpack. If they do it soft enough, you've not going to notice the weight at all.
>this is predicated on them all being a pack of bumbling oafs attacking at once
Step 3: another attack comes
Step 4: dodge again
You're acting like Peter Parker would be outsmarted by an automatic weapon. Like he'd detect the first bullet but then get shot by the second.
>Well how many kilograms can you lift? 100? 5 kilograms is 5% of that weight
That's not how strength works, at all. If it were none of them would be able to do anything in their day to day lives without it being 200 times heavier to offset that weight.
>You're acting like Peter Parker would be outsmarted by an automatic weapon
Are you equating bullets coming out of a single gun to 1000 separate people acting of their own accord? Can you at least understand why that's a false equivalency?
>You know, the characters that can easily lift 20 tons?
How does he do that?
I am certainly not. You're apparently forgetting what webs and adhesion are
That was a different anon answering you
>You're apparently forgetting what webs and adhesion are
I genuinely can't find a way to explain this that doesn't rely on metaphor.
Active chase. Mid-air. Webs. Guy swinging really fast around. Spider-sense. Not a cohesive combo for trying to web someone up.
>stupid analogies of ropes and hooks all knocking each other out of the way are pointed out to be imbecilic so shift the goalposts
Yes, your answer to the original anon could have been that he was moving out of the way too fast to be "webbed up" but that's not what you went for
>"ooga booga, i'm moronic"
I know.
>your answer to the original anon could have been that he was moving out of the way too fast to be "webbed up" but that's not what you went for
It's... it's almost like... there can be multiple answers to a question.
I'm not responding anymore. You're a special ed and I'm tired and bored. Goodbye.
...how is ropes hitting and then getting pulled away relevant?
Stop with the analogies that aren't similar. If 1000 spidermen shoot webbing at something at the same time it gets fricking covered in a huge amount of webs and very much stuck in place
You are absolutely trolling, there's no way you think 1000 spidermen shooting a web at something means no webbing reaches the target
>why, just send him back to the previous status quo where he's uninvolved
>where is he running to, he's in a different universe unknown to him
>why would they chase him, he has nowhere to go, the multiverse machine is in the room they were already in
>the movie states it out loud try paying attention next time
>see above
>he does the first one, and he also physically beats every Spider that grabs him, and he also outsmarted them all with the train ploy
>they trap the guy under a ton of web
>a society of super geniuses should've probably left more than one person to guard the one thing Miles would actually consider his goal
>bad contrived writing is actually good because uhh
>because it's his first time using a multiverse machine
>yes really, they should know he doesn't know how to operate it because it's his first time there
>just send him back to the previous status quo where he's uninvolved
He might frick up the timeline.
>where is he running to
Away from the psychos trying to kill him.
>he has nowhere to go
If he leaves, he could just sneak back and get in the machine. And if they turn the machine off, he could just overpower a random Spider and use their watch to get back. As well, if somehow loses his day pass and becomes a glitchy mess that gets erased from existence while he's gone, his whole timeline is fricked.
>the movie states it out loud
>see above
What was the exact line?
>he also physically beats every Spider that grabs him
Shocking people is different from overpowering them.
>he also outsmarted them all with the train ploy
What has an easier time making a U-turn? One car or one thousand cars?
>they trap the guy under a ton of web
See (
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>a society of super geniuses should've probably left more than one person to guard the one thing Miles would actually consider his goal
Miguel underestimates Miles. The rest of the Spidernigs were just following orders.
>bad contrived writing is actually good because uhh
"I know how everything in this movie works, because uhhhhh"
>because it's his first time using a multiverse machine
Well, he did frick it up, didn't he?
>they should know he doesn't know how to operate it because it's his first time there
So, instead of assuming that he went back to his own universe, they should assume that he was dumb enough not to account for his spider being from an alt-universe? I mean, none of this matters anyway, because they can immediately just go to the universe where his spider came from.
>almost like not telling him would've been the best course of action
>they're not trying to kill him
>why did he assume they would leave the machine basically unguarded? he knows they know it's his main goal
>the exact line is that he's the only one to only go through only one of his canon events so far while everyone else went through multiple
>it's beating them anyway
>they still bought his ploy when realistically they should've saw through it
>already debunked
>why were Spider-Men following orders like nameless goons
>the machine that can potentially affect the future of the multiverse should ideally have better security than a smartphone, otherwise it'd be bad contrived writing if just anyone could walk up to it and operate it willy nilly for their first time in a setting where random villains pop up anywhere
>nope, he did exactly what he meant to do
>why would they assume he'd know how to operate it? realistically they should be asking where the hell he could've went with his non-experience at using the machine, and checked the records which takes 5 seconds
>the exact line is that he's the only one to only go through only one of his canon events so far while everyone else went through multiple
I don't think that's right. Bollywood dude obviously hadn't. They exclude him because he's the anomaly with the spider from another universe, not because they always wait for all canon events to take place before recruiting
And Bollywood dude wasn't recruited, whereas the rest of them were
>almost like not telling him would've been the best course of action
You can't keep him in the dark forever. If you send him back and his father dies and he realizes you could have saved him, he's never going to see your side. Explaining it to his before detaining him makes the most sense.
>they're not trying to kill him
Sorry, stop him from saving his own father's life. When I say it like that, he totally should've stayed put.
>he's the only one to only go through only one of his canon events so far while everyone else went through multiple
That doesn't automatically translate to physical experience.
>it's beating them anyway
It's not overpowering them though.
>they still bought his ploy when realistically they should've saw through it
If I recall correctly, the Spideys were on a mission to detain him, so why would they know he's trying to get back to the machine?
>why were Spider-Men following orders like nameless goons
Cultism is a hell of a drug.
>if just anyone could walk up to it and operate it willy nilly for their first time in a setting where random villains pop up anywhere
It's a one-way ticket, and there are tons of Spideys that can immediately find an anomaly if anything goes wrong.
>nope, he did exactly what he meant to do
He went to the wrong universe.
>they should be asking where the hell he could've went with his non-experience at using the machine, and checked the records which takes 5 seconds
Doesn't really matter. They can just go back and look up his location afterwards. The alternate universe stuff is good for a reveal, but it doesn't stop Miguel and Jess from locating him.
>you can though, that was the plan before Gwen brought him on, all the other spiders don't have an issue with only being recruited after their canon events
>you misunderstood what I meant by that, he literally doesn't have a reason to run, when he does run despite that Miguel and the others should ask themselves "where the frick is he going to go?"
>yes I know Spider-Poochie became an experienced Spider-Man in one day in the first movie, he seems to operate on hyperbolic time chamber rules where one second of life to him is like a lifetime of experience to any of the other inferior Spider-Men
>it's beating them anyway, when Miles venom blasts his way through everything in all of his stories no one say "well Miles didn't *really* beat the villain"
>Miguel or any of the dozens upon dozens Spider-Men in the room when he ran should've brought up "maybe more than one person should stay here to guard the machine"
>justifying shit writing for some lofty abstract reasons is a hell of a drug
>so just make it require the wrist device or some other form of authentication that all the recruited Spideys have but wandering randos don't
>he operated the machine exactly as intended, he didn't frick up in operating but rather understanding his own condition
>it does matter, they believe the fate of the multiverse is at stake and can't think to double check the destination for 3 seconds to save them potentially hours of wasted searching, I put more effort and care into rereading and checking the email addresses of random mails I send that have no bearing on the fate of the multiverse
>that was the plan before Gwen brought him on
Well, things changed when he snuck in.
>all the other spiders don't have an issue with only being recruited after their canon events
Miles wouldn't have been recruited.
>when he does run despite that Miguel and the others should ask themselves "where the frick is he going to go?"
I think the answer is that he's a scared kid.
>yes I know Spider-Poochie became an experienced Spider-Man in one day in the first movie
Not what I was implying at all, but whatever.
>no one say "well Miles didn't *really* beat the villain"
Yes, but you said he "outfights" as if he knocked every Spidey down like the Crazy 88, but he didn't.
>"maybe more than one person should stay here to guard the machine"
Virtual Spidey stayed put.
>justifying shit writing for some lofty abstract reasons
I can understand not liking the whole cult angle, but that's the in-universe reason. Most of the Spideys are likely being kept in the dark anyway, or like Gwen, they were easy to manipulate.
>he didn't frick up in operating but rather understanding his own condition
But he fricked up.
>can't think to double check the destination for 3 seconds to save them potentially hours of wasted searching
It probably would've saved 5 minutes. You're overreacting.
>I put more effort and care into checking emails
When you're in the midst of chasing a fugitive, it pays to act first so they don't get a headstart.
>no they didn't
>then what's the point of getting him to see your side after letting his dad die? send him back to his universe and never contact him again
>oh look fellow Spider-Men there's a scared kid, let's all fricking chase after him and try to restrain him instead of giving him the space to grieve
>you certainly do seem to be fine with Miles being better at everything than everyone else despite being at it the shortest
>venom blasting them is outfighting them
>an entire Vtuber hologram stayed to guard the one thing Miles would be after, what a brilliant plan from the society of thousand of Spider-Men
>absolutely atrocious metaphysics setting choice for a Spider-Man story that defeats the whole purpose of the character
>nope, he operated the machine perfectly, he didn't understand his designation is tied to his spider
>they are seen blindly searching around and guarding 1610 for more than 5 minutes in the movie itself, implied to be a lot longer in actual time
>Miguel seemed pretty content to just stand around imposingly and threaten Gwen once Miles was gone for minutes, would've taken a second to say "Lyla check where he went" before he did that so they know where they're going before they depart, except they wouldn't even need to depart because they'd know he's stranded in the wrong universe with no way out
>no they didn't
Miles almost doomed Pravitr's universe by being there. It would be wise to tell him to stop being a fricking idiot.
>then what's the point of getting him to see your side after letting his dad die?
Yeah, that's fair enough. I didn't think about that.
>let's all fricking chase after him and try to restrain him instead of giving him the space to grieve
The longer you let this child run free, the higher the likelihood of the universe getting fricked up.
>you certainly do seem to be fine with Miles being better at everything
I never said he was, or that I'd be fine with it. The fact is, you don't know how good every Spider-Man is at being Spider-Man.
>venom blasting them is outfighting them
Using something unique to you to help you escape is "outtfighting"?
>an entire Vtuber hologram stayed to guard the one thing Miles would be after
I mean, doesn't she have powers?
>that defeats the whole purpose of the character
I think putting Peter B. in the cult is stupid as hell, but every Spider-Man is not the paragon of justice that Peter Parker usually is. With infinite Spideys, there's gotta be a small amount of dickheads that will support you.
>nope, he operated the machine perfectly, he didn't understand his designation is tied to his spider
Oh, cool, so he fricked up.
>itself, implied to be a lot longer in actual time
Yeah, like maybe fifteen minutes! Oh no!
>would've taken a second to say "Lyla check where he went" before he did that
Miguel already thinks he knows. Simple as.
>except they wouldn't even need to depart because they'd know he's stranded in the wrong universe with no way out
I mean, they have to go get him anyway. He's stuck in Earth-42 glitching out.
>They had no reason to tell him
They didn't. They explained why saving Singh was bad for Pavitr's universe and Miles connected the dots on his own.
>He had no reason to run
Not wanting your dad to die is pretty damn good reason.
>They had no reason to chase him
Kind of. Miles knows what's coming and being an anomaly he could potentially break the canon again and Miguel doesn't want to risk it.
>He didn't know the layout and they did
Which is why he runs in circles and ends up back in front of all of them and has to jump out a window.
>They are experienced and he's a rookie
Not all of them and experience doesn't help much in a chaotic chase.
>He outruns
Not really since he gets caught multiple times so he's not faster than them,
>outfights
he didn't fight any of them head-on and couldn't overpower Ben or Miguel when they caught him and had to resort to blowing up ben's webshooter and venom blasting Miguel at the right time to get them off. only one he sort of beats is jessica and even then not really. just managed to kick her off her bike and web her.
>outsmart
they just underestimated him and thought he was just running. most didn't know about his invisibility.
>They could've just webbed him up but didn't
They tried during the chase but his spider-sense helped him avoid with the help of the chaos and obstacles to duck behind.
>He could've gone invisible much earlier
He needed to make sure that a good deal of them were chasing him and away from the base
>They could've just turned off the multiverse machine
They did. He just turned all the machines on in that room once he got in there.
>He should not know how to operate it in the first place
It just activates on it's own once turned on and has a target as we see in the scene with Gwen
>They could've just checked the records to see where he went
They like Miles assumed he went back to his home universe and left after him in a rush to stop him from putting his world in jeopardy.
>Not all of them and experience doesn't help much in a chaotic chase
The frick it doesn't
Spider-man is a powerset which is explicitly great at running down evasive buttholes no matter how high mobility they are. If several dozen spider-men of varying levels of talent cannot stop one single clone of themselves then they should all be dead already.
>Spider-man is a powerset which is explicitly great at running down evasive buttholes no matter how high mobility they are.
lol. lmao even. Villains slip away from peter just to cause more shit later happens so much it should be it's own running gag.
Anyways that's besides the point. Trying to capture someone who can feel incoming threats and their body automatically reacts to said threats is difficult as it is. Dealing with a thousand other guys getting in your way, your experience isn't going to really matter which is why the most experienced Spider-people broke away the chaos and had a better time of catching Miles a few times even if he still managed slipped away.
>Villains slip away from peter just to cause more shit later happens so much it should be it's own running gag.
Because bad writers write badly yes
That's what the scene is, bad writing
can you get a trip already so we can filter you and your moron speak
>discord shill pretending people who like Spider-Man and dislike shitty writing on Cinemaphile are all one person
lol
lmao
you still type like a moron the frick is a discord shill anyway homie no one here wants to shill on Cinemaphile of all places we all pirate shit here
>he still thinks it's the same person
lol
lmao
Im sorry pride is ending but don't take it out on me
>they literally did
>not if the machine to save him is in the room you're already in and you're surrounded by a million Spider-Men
>risk what? him being stuck helpless in 928 is no different than what he was doing in 1610 all along
>and they should've known that and used it to intercept him dozens of times over
>they are and it does
>he literally outruns them, that is the result of the chase
>he fought lots of them and beat them all, venom blasting Miguel counts as beating him
>why would they underestimate him, why would they not know
>statistically improbable
>there's no reason why he should assume ALL of them would chase him, the fact they ALL did was beyond moronic
>machine whose operation could kill the multiverse has security worse than today's laptops
>contrived writing
>there's no reason for them to assume he knows how to operate it and choose a destination, checking the record should take 5 seconds
Half of these complaints are cinema sins level moaning about narrative contrivance and the other half are explicitly addressed in the film.
>muh cinema sins
No argument
>and the other half are explicitly addressed in the film
Nah
The cut and dry approach people had towards this movie is baffling peak tism
The blind worship approach people have towards this movie is peak corporate clown world
see?
see?
>understanding a narrative is corporate shilling
Can't you just review bomb the IMDb page like a normal deranged homosexual?
one spider-man fighting on the defense has advantage over those attacking him (spider-sense), especially against a filthy wannabe mutate like Miguel.
>people still argue with this Black person
he showed himself to be a schizo on the same level of guy and industrycuck the fact he continuously gets (you)s is shocking even to the point he tried to derail the horny spot thread a few days ago
>Talking shit
Nuh uh coward, you're not brave enough to even confront me anonymously anymore, shut your trap
And since he spoke up, a reminder that I made a better version of the movie in 30 minutes
I don't really have an issue with Miles running from and escaping lots of Spider-Man variants
I didn't like these two things
>Every one of them chased him, leaving the base empty. That's just looney tunes shit. Whether by being smart or by being lazy, plenty would be left in the base
>Miguel handled Miles seeing them clear up the Mumbatten collapse by doing an exposition dump, Obviously motivates Miles to want to save his dad so he tries imprisoning him. Miguel should have known what would happen and been sneaky by distracting Miles until it's too late (sending him on a wild goose chase after Spot)
It would have been way better if it had been either Gwen or Hobie to actually reveal the truth of what Miguel was doing and set the wheels in motion for movie 2.
Last movie miles said he was a better runner than a Webber, if you paid attention each time he webbed he got caught or hit by someone
Anyways fun as going in circles is with you anons is I have work in 4 hours and need to get to sleep so I'll just say goodnight here. Have a cool Miguel panel for the road.
Goku actually loses fights against impossible odds. He usually has to escape to train
What makes Miles special relative to the other Spiders?
The others spiders had 0 spiders sense because they were the ones attacking while miles was only evading with zero hostile intentions
Do you know how Spider-Sense works? It's literally just a buzz that danger is happening, it would've been going off non-stop during that chase and been effectively useless
It literally lets him automatically react to attacks. He instinctively moves to avoid them.
What the hell does that matter?
In the movies it's basically precognition and tells your body the best effective movements to use. Like toby spider man predicting the bully's sucker punch he couldn't see. And Holland spider man able to dodge without a soul.
Anon the first movie had the spider sense lead Gwen to a powerless Miles instead of the living Spider-Man, stop trying to pretend it makes sense
Spider sense is inconsistent bullshit. There are dozens of points in the film (and every other piece of media spiderman has ever been in) where it should be ringing like an alarm. Getting up in arms when it fails for a passing sight gag is moronic.
>Spider sense is inconsistent bullshit
So then it shouldn't be brought up in defense of the bad writing.
Miles got away from the other spidermans because they never really learned how to work together as a team, so they just bump into each other while trying to get him.
I don't know why people are arguing against the perfectly decent logic of
>It was a funny cartoon moment
Both having every single Spider-variant chase miles in a big stampede and Miles hopping onto a big dude's back unnoticed are just cartoon gags in a cartoon. This isn't fricking Citizen Kane. It's okay
The problem is that these morons don't think that's enough. They ask for real in-universe explanations. But when they get them, they still aren't happy.
>>It was a funny cartoon moment
I thought it was supposed to be a movie that, barring superpowers, follows normal logic, not a looney tunes movie.
Nah it's a movie where pretty much anything goes. Spider-ham logic might have applied for a lil while there
And there too. They bundled up in a big comedy stampede because comedy logic pervades that universe sometimes
Well sure, but that doesn't do anything about the bad plot point of Miles outwitting 1000s of more experienced Spider-Men.
It only became about physics when that guy made it about physics
Propping Miles up as the strongest and fastest Spider-Man on cartoon gag logic is fricking moronic
Well that's why I think they're not seriously claiming he's strongest or fastest. Just that he managed to escape from stronger, faster, smarter variants because of a silly cartoon plan
Oh right sorry I misremembered
>Propping Miles up as the strongest and fastest Spider-Man
The only people doing this ironically are people who hate him to the point of irrationality while normal people can easily put the logic of chaos + spider sense advantage allowed him to just barely get away.
And the movie itself which has Miles say "I beat them all, I know how strong I am now" out loud in the movie's climax
After he just came off a swing that showed his psyche was so damaged he was actually hallucinated and he's clearly coping with the guilt of Miguel's revelation, Gwen and Peter's betrayal, and being so thoroughly rejected and disillusioned with a group he wanted so badly to be part of where he thought he would be understood best. It's like you can't even process human emotion and take everything on the shallowest most pace interpretation. He's clearly hurting during this scene and trying to be strong since he feels completely alone and all he has in his eyes right now are parents.
So why should anyone take the somber ending scene seriously when Miles is treating the cartoon gag chase that just happened to him as character development and trauma
Because the chase is lighthearted for the most part where people are just trying to catch him and the chaos of it all is a bit goofy but the later part where he's actually being chased by Gwen, Peter, Jessica, and Miguel is when shit actually becomes serious again because the events and interaction that occur during that specific part of the chase. There's huge a difference between the first part of the chase where Miles is getting smacked by wheelchair spider-lady making a pun or riding Patrick's horse and you know Gwen trying to capture him, learning Gwen and Peter knew the truth the whole time, and Miguel slamming him against a train violently and Miles calling Peter for help while Miguel drops life-shattering information on him.
The mass of spider-people is still present in that other half, unable to catch up to a stationary Miguel and Miles for several minutes, or catch an escaping Miles
He did. He escaped. The societies goal was to stop him and they failed.
He won.
Yes, so the people who say "Miles outsmarted and outran everyone" are right and not
You either didn't watch the movie or you're being intentionally dishonest. At the tail end of the film, Miles gives a little spiel about how he beat all the other Spider-Men and how he's so incredibly strong. The movie doesn't contradict his perspective at all. Miles is being sold as the best, most moral, strongest, most unique and truest Spider-Man out of all of them.
>he movie doesn't contradict his perspective at all. Miles is being sold as the best, most moral, strongest, most unique and truest Spider-Man out of all of them.
I hope they don't make a third. I can't handle another mary sue.
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I find it disturbing how people just honestly watch that scene and can't tell he's at a breaking point and think that it's showing he's the strongest and not just a scared, hurt kid trying his best to hold himself together in the face of everything that's about to come and leaning hard into the one support system he does know he still has with his parents.
Maybe Spider-Man 2211 can take off his pack sometimes, and Miles clung to it as it was heading back to reconnect with Max
Look, it WAS a silly gag that shouldn't be overthought. He was clearly visible from all angles but head-on so it would never have been a place to hide in reality. It relies on camera angles.
Ask yourselves if this sequence would have happened in a live action movie, even in a superhero movie
>I think this is a good movie, but I feel like all the writing is really bad
Then it isn't a good movie.
I agree. I really could have used a polish in the s riot stage instead of having Lord forcing them to re animate it for four years straight
I think this whole section would be better if it was about depowering Miles and not letting his Dad die
>Has a powerset designed to deal with / juggle multiple opponents at the same time.
>Does exactly that.
>It's a problem.
Why?
If you admit the writing is bad then it's not a good movie.
>The protagonist has plot armor!
Oh god... oh no... it's so over spiderbros. This erasers any other merit the movie may have.
>This erasers any other merit the movie may have.
Such as?
I like him
Yeah. He's a pretty fun villain of the week.
It's amazing how personally he took that insult and set out to become a multiverse-tier threat in revenge. It's actually pretty aspirational.
The movie is made for people that want to think they’re comic fans without ever having actually read a comic in their life
hey. i read the rick and morty comics. all of them. that counts
>John Mcclane gets shot 2000 times, all hits in his head and hearth but he walks it off. is not Plot Armor is just overcomming the odds
Ok
>Change the background of countless characters to fit the narrative that there're canon events
Character assassination
Literally the majority of characters that appeared in the movie didn't have an uncle Ben figure or a Captain Stacy figure in their lives, Miguel Ohara the fricking first. This is once again to propt Miles to be THE spider-man, the saviour, the special one, the unique, etc by making everybody else be a mindless drone that are ok letting people die for the "greater good"