Either they just like the characters aesthetically and have no wishes to actually see abuse OR they like the idea of them having secretly wholesome feelings that undercut the abusive tendencies.
Im guessing because Ty Lee is the only person Azula is ever shown to feel bad for hurting, in 2 scenes in The Beach.
Also when Ty Lee goes to hug Azula in The Return to Omashu, Azula smiles.
So considering how she’s completely callous towards everyone else, the fact she seems to genuinely care about/like Ty Lee makes shippers think its because she is in love with her.
Its dumb of course, Azula is shown caring for Zuko in The Beach aswell, aswell as being shown being immensely attached to Ursa in the comics (I know, comics bad, but its simply the logical conclusion of what they were trying to tell us with Azula from the end of the show, that she desperately wants to be loved by her mom and for her to be proud of her so I dont see a problem with it)
>Im guessing because Ty Lee is the only person Azula is ever shown to feel bad for hurting
Yeah, and to add on, even in the comics, Azula not only avoids hurting the real Ty Lee in Smoke and Shadow and her solo comic, but also, after taking down the spirit version of Ty Lee, when asked why doesn't she kill her, Azula acts shocked at the idea that she would ever do that. Imo, I think the canon explaination is that, deep down, Azula would rather die than kill Mai or Ty Lee outside of fits of rage, and deeply regrets attacking or hurting the other, non-Ozai members of her family. It's the only explaination why she hasn't murked them all at this point, even though she could have several times over. But you can see how easy it is for shippers to twist Azula's plantoic love for Ty Lee into something romantic.
I mean, she definitely feels bad about wanting to kill her mother, after she apologized to her for not loving her enough, its obvious in the scene that once she hears the apology she starts hesitating about wanting to kill her, even the transcript brings attention to the fact that Zuko takes advantage of Azula suddenly stopping.
And in Spirit Temple she acts around Ursa in a similar manner to how Zuko acted towards Iroh upon their reunion, with Ursa going up to hug Azula, but Azula not hugging her back as if she feels uneasy to do so after having hurt her before.
>"The only way my mother could ever love me is in a state of complete amnesia, this is my life" >That look of devastation
This would turn me even eviler, in ways Hitler would fear
Gene Yang isn't appreciated enough outside of this board
I mean, whilst yes Ursa has amnesia here, the thing is its not like Azula is a complete stranger to her, she already met her before and was being mean to/scaring her other daughter, and right before this scene, she breaks through the roof announcing herself as her daughter who she declared to be a monster and replaced with a new daughter.
So Azula would know, and is probably intending to, show herself to her mother as a complete monster, as a means of asserting her belief that her mother perceived her as one since the moment she was born.
To then hear her mother, who even despite amnesia, is ultimately still the same person with the same beliefs of right and wrong, and motherhood, say to this absolute and complete monster that if she didnt love her enough she is sorry, makes Azula realize/consider that despite how her mother has only ever known her as a true monster, that she would still love said monster, completely catches her off guard, and makes her question then that if her mother truly is able to love her as she is now, does that mean that she loved her in the past aswell.
Basically Ursa acknowledges Azula as her daughter, and says that even despite seeing her wanting to kill her, and ravage her entire family, that she still would love her as her daughter despite it all completely shatters her.
This is also later contrasted with Zuko here
I forgot I was supposed to post these for a bit but here it goes
where he says that despite how horrible she has been his entire life, she will always be his sister, and this again completely breaks her.
Like this scene with Zuko also definitely shows that she does love him deep down, although its very hard for her to admit it, and by Spirit Temple I would rank her love towards her family members in this order.
Ursa>Ozai>=Zuko
So no, with the context I dont think Azula would double down on this, as it shows that her mother is willing to love her even as she is being a compl monster.
Kind of funny considering the first episode Ty Lee was introduced.
She declines Azula's offer, and Azula stays to make her performance a living hell that could easily get her killed, implying that she'll do the same thing every day until she either agrees to go with her, or dies.
Then Ty Lee goes along with her to save her own skin, and just forgets about that whole thing and immediately goes back to loving her.
It almost makes me think that she was being genuine about the universe giving her signs to go with Azula, but she says it in such a stilted and monotone way that's so unnatural to her that I just feel like it's a believable lie.
>Then Ty Lee goes along with her to save her own skin, and just forgets about that whole thing and immediately goes back to loving her.
She's fairly obviously toadying up to Azula to stay on her good side.
>It almost makes me think that she was being genuine about the universe giving her signs to go with Azula, but she says it in such a stilted and monotone way that's so unnatural to her that I just feel like it's a believable lie.
>Then Ty Lee goes along with her to save her own skin, and just forgets about that whole thing and immediately goes back to loving her.
She's fairly obviously toadying up to Azula to stay on her good side.
>She's fairly obviously toadying up to Azula to stay on her good side.
Ty Lee's advice to Azula on how to get boys is the same method she uses to placate Azula. It's really obvious on later watches that Ty Lee's personality is mostly fake around Azula, and that the only time she act like her real self is during the campfire scene.
I am neutral on the Tyzula ship, I but like this art.
Yurishippers are just as horny for Azula as everyone else is.
Why would Azula have makeup, perfect hair, and a night gown while imprisoned unless you going with stupid comics logic or horny posting logic?
Just because the ship's got a tragic ending doesn't mean it's not nice to imagine otherwise.
>Just because the ship's got a tragic ending doesn't mean it's not nice to imagine otherwise.
There is nothing really to support the ship other than aesthetics tho.
Swap Azula with Zuko
You know what is funny? There is more indication that Ty Luko and Zucest, at least on Ty Lee and Azula's ends, is a thing than Tyzula. So I wonder why Ty Lee hasn't tried anything with Zuko after he broke up with Mai? Is it because she practices "bros over hoes"?
>Ty Lee's advice to Azula on how to get boys is the same method she uses to placate Azula.
Ty Lee does smile a lot, but I don't remember her laughing at things Azula says.
>Ty Lee does smile a lot, but I don't remember her laughing at things Azula says.
Remember her laughing at Azula's fangirls comment? Or her calling Azula the prettiest, most perfect girl in the world? Or her agreeing with Azula that everyone should worship them?
>So I wonder why Ty Lee hasn't tried anything with Zuko after he broke up with Mai? Is it because she practices "bros over hoes"?
It'd make taking part in the kyoshi orgies with him kinda awkward.
>Its dumb of course, Azula is shown caring for Zuko in The Beach aswell
I do genuinely think Azula wants Zuko to redeem himself. She gives him many second chances which any regular run of the mill villain wouldn't give a "dishonorable betraying loser" like Zuko. But there are two issues that come inbetween, first, her mission. If her mission is to kill Zuko, she will do that. Secondly, she wants to be the fire lord, but as the older son Zuko would be the first choice.
Thus she is trying to get both Zuko back into the family, as well as taking the position of power in the fire nation. If you look at her actions from this perspective, a lot of scenes with her suddenly make a lot more sense instead of just "she is merely crazy"
>for what fricking purpose
A lot of reasons anon. Before the comics/extended lore all but said that Azula was always abusive to Zuko and her "friends", it was popular to believe that she was at one point genuine, yet toxic, friends and siblings with Zuko, Mai, and Ty Lee. Also, if you ignore or handwave their history, it is easy to see how Azula and Ty Lee compliment each other and would make a good couple. Finally, a lot of people self-insert into Azula or Ty Lee, often Ty Lee, for obvious reasons. There is a reason why Tyzula was the WLW ATLA until people started calling out the sus aspects, the comics came out, and Korrasami became canon.
Umm, what are you talking about, the comics imply exactly that Azula was a toxic sibling and friend and to Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee.
We hear on multiple occasions of Zuko and Azula sharing happy memories together from their childhood, its just that they were interjected by Azula being a little shit most of the time, I mean when Zuko brings attention to this and says that despite everything she will always be his sister, she tears up, and runs away im tears sobbing, which means she clearly cares about being responsible for all the pain and bad blood between her and someone who genuinely cares about her, her brother.
With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one, she still cares about having a relationship with her, and I mean even from the show Ursas apparition, which is obviously meant to be Azulas conscience taking the form of her mother, refers to Mai and Ty Lee as her friends.
>We hear on multiple occasions of Zuko and Azula sharing happy memories together from their childhood,
People are honest when they are angry and/or don't have anything to gain from you. Zuko might say that he cares about Azula, but he said those things either while they were looking for Ursa or he wanted Azula to stop attacking Ursa until Aang and Katara returned. Also, the fact that he never checks up on her until he needs her to talk to Ozai about Ursa/realizes that the terrible state of his nuclear family reflects badly on him, and his outburst when he has her by the neck on the cliffside is telling. >With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one
It means that comic!Azula knows deep down Mai and Ty Lee were never her friends, no matter what she tries telling herself, not that they were at one point genuine, but toxic, friends.
The whole comic is about Zuko restoring his relationships with his family from a personal perspective, the whole thing the guy said was about how a great leader must be first treat his family well, if he is to treat his nation well, its nothing to do with public image, but rather about the traits that make up a great ruler.
Also I really doubt that the intention behind the scene Im going to post in the next few posts in full, was meant to portray Zuko as anything but genuine.
Also no, what it means is that Azula wants and perceives Mai and Ty Lee to be her friends ie. people she likes and wants to hang out with, remember most friendships are shallow or at least start out shallow, its not until a significant amount of effort is done to open up towards another that it becomes what most people assume friendship is.
The whole point of Ursas and Ty Lees apparitions is that theyre pointing out to her how terribly she is acting towards people who are supposed to be her friends, and criticizing her behavior as such, not that Azula deep down knows that they werent her friends.
This is honestly the equivalent of people saying how Azula knew the whole time Ursa loved her because her apparition tells her that, and thus she is just being melodramatic, despite it being made blatantly clear in many scenes and interviews that Azula genuinely with all her heart believes Ursa hated her, and Ursas apparition was just her conscience telling her the truth, rather than what Azula genuinely believed.
The same reason that some hyper violent man is fun to see as something heroic and epic.
Fiction and entertainment for young people need intensity. And fandom doesn't have to worry about the restrictions of the mainstream media, so they set the intensity at 200%. They don't care about ethics.
This happens a lot in multiple fandoms, the most toxic relationship between characters are very popular. The only requisite is that the two of them must be sexy, and one of them must be the bottom b***h.
>This happens a lot in multiple fandoms, the most toxic relationship between characters are very popular. The only requisite is that the two of them must be sexy, and one of them must be the bottom b***h.
Doesn't this explain the most recent JJK ship poll in which the most popular ships were adult/minor, yaoi, incest, hero/enemy, or some combination of the above?
>adult/minor, yaoi, incest, hero/enemy, or some combination of the above?
The thing they all have in common is an element of forbidden or unlikely love. You can imagine all sorts of strong emotional moments taking place between the people involved to get them into said relationships. Easy formula for pathos and catharsis, which makes for gripping stories if you can just overlook cannonicity. It's a million times more interesting than "nice guy gets together with nice girl he has the hots for".
>It's a million times more interesting than "nice guy gets together with nice girl he has the hots for".
That's actually much rarer and more compelling these days than yet another trashy fanfic from the alphabet soup brigade.
If it's literally just nice guy + nice girl then no, it's not compelling in the least. Not because it's hetero but because there's nothing to it besides >I love you >I love you too >Now we're together and we still love each other
It's fine when it's a background element and the pathos can come from something else, but as the focus of a story it's never been particularly common because most authors know it's bland and boring. The old Disney movies like Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty all have romances which are nothing but "nice guy and nice girl", but none of them focus on the romance in itself. Beauty and the Beast does, but that's not a "nice guy and nice girl" story at all. Something like Aladdin is in the middle; it's kinda still nice guy/nice girl but with the princess/commonner dynamic making it more interesting, but also the romance isn't as much the focus of the movie as it is in BatB.
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Anonymous
Nice guy + nice girl against the world is a kino formula and I'm tired of homosexuals pretending it isn't.
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Anonymous
>Nice guy + nice girl against the world
For instance?
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Anonymous
Cinderella III
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Anonymous
Little Mermaid.
I mean, sure, but again, the romance in those movies isn't the focus like it is in BatB (or in Tangled to name another example), and if you remove the external factors and focus on the romance itself, it's not that compelling. In both cases the guy and the girl just immediately like each other, and the only obstacles to them getting together are external; the stories are still good, but it doesn't make for an interesting dynamic between the two lovers.
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Anonymous
Sometimes simple and wholesome things are the best.
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Anonymous
Sometimes, sure, but I was discussing what's more interesting, not what's better. Simple and clean has its own merits, but "interesting" ain't one of them.
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Anonymous
Simple and clean is often much more interesting than a cringey drama fest. There's a reason farming sims and pet games are very popular.
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Anonymous
>There's a reason farming sims and pet games are very popular.
Because they're "comfy", not "interesting".
I don't know why you're acting as if being interesting is the only virtue a work can have. FromSoft makes interesting stories that are also subpar in many other ways. Stuff like Spongebob or OG Superman or Crash Bandicoot arent very interesting, but they're still fun.
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Anonymous
Anything that captures and holds the attention is interesting, by definition.
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Anonymous
That's a too-broad definition of "interesting". A nasty toothache does an amazing job of holding your attention, but few people would call that pain "interesting". If you insist on this definition then "interesting" isn't even a point of praise, since even the shittiest stories can be interesting in how shit they are.
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Anonymous
This post was written by either a gay man or a horny teenage fanfic writer.
Shippers aren't in any way rational, they tend to just be terminally online people who don't understand relationships of any kind, or who don't care about the actual characters and their chemistry and just want to smoosh barbies together
>Azula genuinely loved ty lee >Ty Lee genuinely loved Azula
Ha, nice joke Scapper.
Not once in any of those exchanges does azula ever say she hates ty lee
>With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one, she still cares about having a relationship with her, and I mean even from the show Ursas apparition, which is obviously meant to be Azulas conscience taking the form of her mother, refers to Mai and Ty Lee as her friends.
There Azulas feelings and relationship towards Ty Lee explained through evidence given to us by the canon material, you can stop discussing this now.
Shipping is playing doll house. You take the basics from the characters and fill the gaps however you please. Opposites attract and bad guys/girls are popular because they makes the ship interesting. That is why even canon ships in cartoons are usually "will they, wont they". The drama makes it interesting.
That yuri shipping logic for you. They make shit up to make their gay ship look cute when in reality Azula and Ty Lee aren't gay with Azula seeing her as a pawn and Ty Lee being scared of her.
>mah pawn
Ah right, I forgot, the moment a tyrant loses a single soldier, they become mad with power, fire every servant, cut their own hair, start to hallucinate their parents and cry like a little b***h when losing a battle.
It's a cartoon for children, and you seriously can't tell that she was just lying to herself when she claims she doesn't need anyone?
Whether Azula is pure evil/psychopath or not has been an insanely fricking divisive and heated topic in the fandom ever since The Beach and Sozins Comet aired in 2008, and while it never was as big of a deal as Kataang vs Zutara, or is Korra shit or not debates, those were generally a lot more one sided (most people hated Zutarians insisting on how Zutara was always meant to be even if they preferred Zutara/didnt like Kataang, and Korra is a decent/mediocre show if you ignore season 2 being fanfic tier), but the Azula debate is a literal 50/50 split in the fandom, and there is generally very little ground that the Azula is pure evil/psychopath crowd are willing to give, thus the debate usually devolves into people trying to prove definitively that in x scene she did a thing which a pure evil/psychopath would never do whilst there also not being any possible ulterior
motive for her to have, even if she is never established or even implied as having said ulterior motive or acting upon it, because of her previous actions she must show a 100% definitive unambiguous example of genuine compassion and sympathy for another, or else this crowd wont budge.
What this means is that whenever Azula is mentioned in any capacity in a thread, there is a 90% chance that the thread will devolve to people bickering about Azula.
And to think that this all could have been avoided if they decided to do anything but the absolute bare minimum with Azulas character in the original show, when they had plans for multiple episodes focusing on her arc, or Aaron the head writer from the moment her character was introduced begging for her to be more humanized early on, but you will still find morons who think Bryke are geniuses who didnt get lucky with a lightning in a bottle.
Oh please, we all know that Aaron got just as lucky as Bryke did when writing ATLA. Dragon Prince was a steaming pile and you’re putting way too much faith in him to deliver something with Azula
Aaron wrote most of Zukos arc, and he made Iroh and Toph the characters we know, he was also clearly was the driving force behind making Azula an actual complex character.
The point is that, ATLA was as good as it was because Bryke did the worldbuilding whilst Aaron did the characterwork, thus when you split them you get a lesser product, since the 2 are greater than the sum of their parts.
Also Ive heard Dragon Prince was pretty goodin seasons 1-3, it was just with season 4 that it went to absolute shit.
Also from what wrote about his ideas on Azula in pic related, I absolutely believe he would of knocked it out of the park.
if aaron is so good at characters why are the dragon prince characters so shit ?
if Bryke is so good at wordbuilding why is the korra wordbuilding so shit ?
the answer is that both of them are just idea guys that are not actually any good at either of those things, they just had more unsung heroes tardwranglers during ATLA than they did in their next projects
The problem with Dragon prince from what Ive read in this tumblr post was that Aaron decided to turn some of the characters into Ozai, Zuko and Azula, so its less he cant write characters, and more he decided to rehash his old characters for no reason.
https://themattress.tumblr.com/post/189628622159
As for Bryke and Korra I think the wolrdbuilding is mostly good if you ignore Republic city, and the second half of season 2.
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Anonymous
> I think the wolrdbuilding is mostly good if you ignore Republic city
Isnt that where the characters are around for like 90% of the show
It kills me that I expected Jackie Diaz to be a pimply hambeast and she turned out to be actual adult Azula
I hope she made it in acting, she's crazy but in a good way
>Wanted to villainize Mai and make Zuko and Katara look like tragic star crossed lovers >Accidentally made Mai the only one you feel sympathy for and Zutara into self centered, violent jackasses who you want to see die
Will always be hilarious
It's an au fanfiction where Azula and Zuko's mom kills their dad after killing their grandpa because she knew that that was a horrible parent. I wanted to do a link to the exact fanfiction page but it think that was spam.
I'm on chapter 14 and Mom is making Azula better person as a little girl. And for some reason she's thinking of arrange marriage Zuko to marry the Moon girl.
Good for you, go talk about it on wherever your fanfic is and let this thread be about abusive lesbian relationships.
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Anonymous
It's not supposed to be about abusive.
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Anonymous
An Azula/Ty Lee relationship is inherently abusive. Its inseparable from their dynamic.
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Anonymous
>An Azula/Ty Lee relationship is inherently abusive. Its inseparable from their dynamic.
Most Tyzula fics are AU, after Azula unlearns her abusive ways and makes amends to Ty Lee, or is overtly abusive tho.
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Anonymous
Azula's personality is never going to tolerate an equal relationship with anybody. She will always be master or servant.
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Anonymous
>Azula's personality is never going to tolerate an equal relationship with anybody. She will always be master or servant.
I agree, but in the highly unlikely case she has a breakthrough, I think she is capable of being in a healthy relationship. There are instances in the show and comics that imply that deep down, there is someone of capable of being a loving, caring person. It's just that it is highly unlikely she'll be become that person considering she has double and tripled down at this point.
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Anonymous
I mean the biggest problem with Azula in the comics is that she goes from running off in tears after hearing an apology from her mom, and a declaration of unconditional love from her brother, to her just leading a terrorist group the literal first time we see her next, with her showing zero signs of what she went through/thought through, other than how she is now not supposed to be Firelord but is instead supposed to make Zuko in the Firelord she was meant to be, at least Spirit Temple gives us some hints with the way she acts around Ursa, her opinion on Ozai, and her expressions upon fake-Zuko saying how she will have to face how she hurt the people who cares about her if she is alone.
Just to give you an idea of what they decided to skip we go from this being the last time we see her
to pic related which is just fricking ridiculous, I dont mind and even kind of like her leading a terrorist group, but skipping over the subsequent scene is a fricking crime, unless when they decided to write the scene, they thought it was so good and so emotionally heavy and heartwrenching, that they decided that its best to leave it for the big screen, and thus it will be shown in a flashback in one of the upcoming movies.
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Anonymous
If they give Azula a definite ending, they can't sell any more comics about her.
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Anonymous
>If they give Azula a definite ending, they can't sell any more comics about her.
This right here is why the ATLA comics and anything set between ATLA and Korra is creatively bankrupt. After showing us the creation of the UR and what happened to Ursa, nothing interesting can happen until Korra S1. There is no point to the ATLA comics, and sadly, there probably be no point to the ATLA movies outside of shallow fanservice like seeing the Kataraang and Maiko weddings or Azula get a half-baked redemption or going out a blaze of glory that doesn't really hurt the Gaang.
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Anonymous
>If they give Azula a definite ending, they can't sell any more comics about her.
This right here is why the ATLA comics and anything set between ATLA and Korra is creatively bankrupt. After showing us the creation of the UR and what happened to Ursa, nothing interesting can happen until Korra S1. There is no point to the ATLA comics, and sadly, there probably be no point to the ATLA movies outside of shallow fanservice like seeing the Kataraang and Maiko weddings or Azula get a half-baked redemption or going out a blaze of glory that doesn't really hurt the Gaang.
I honestly hope that Bryke by some miracle decide to take an artistic instead of a capitalistic direction with the future material, because there are definitely ways to make these future stories interesting, and even tie into Korra
But whilst I hope for the best, realistically I expect nothing else but these future releases being massive disappointments.
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Anonymous
>I honestly hope that Bryke by some miracle decide to take an artistic instead of a capitalistic direction with the future material, because there are definitely ways to make these future stories interesting, and even tie into Korra >But whilst I hope for the best, realistically I expect nothing else but these future releases being massive disappointments.
I, like countless fanfic writers and anons on this site, can think of a bunch of ways to make the gap period interesting, even with the comics and Korra restricting us. But considering they are so adamant on keeping Aang's era kid friendly and are probably wary of making any of the main cast suffer for fear of backlash, and thus finanical ruin, I can't help but feel we'll get the safest content possible that doesn't really advance the setting or drive the characters forward. Like for example, why did Azula's solo comic basically focus on things we already knew or could infer from the show, as well as soft retconning her comics developments, instead of telling or showing us something new about the character like Ozai actively grooming her or her time in the aslyum, or building off her comics apperances and showing what her time in the asylum was like, her continuing to push her bending, or her trying to manipulate Zuko into a "strong" Fire Lord?
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Anonymous
The comic did give us 2 new things, although considering how interconnected these 2 things are you can just call it 1 new thing, and that is Azula being a lot more timid and openly attached to Ursa, suggesting that after she ran off in The Search she fully came to accept that her mother did indeed love her, and thinks that she should of stayed with her no matter what instead of saving Zuko, something which before would of been unthinkable from her, considering for instance how she didnt seem to care Ursa left in the flashbacks, implying that at this point she was fully convinced that Ursa hates her and her leaving meant nothing.
The second thing is her understanding to some degree Ozai toxic influence on her, and how he forged her into a weapon, which whilst a massive development from her, might seem odd in terms off how did she come to this conclusion, and this is why I said you could count this under the first new thing, since the most reasonable explanation for both of these changes of heart, come down to the following thought process she must of had:
>Mom apologizes for not loving me enough >This means that she did love me but couldnt show it for some reason >But what could that reason be >Wait, I remember that Mom and Dad didnt like eachother very much >Dad thus probably didnt trust Mom very much >This means that when Mom and Dad saw me firebending at a very young age Dad didnt want Mom to interfere with my training or upbringing as he didnt trust her >This meant that Mom wasnt allowed to show me any sign of love or sense of pride as Dad wouldnt let her >This must mean then that the reason why I never felt any love from Mom was because she wasnt Dad didnt trust her with me, and Dad let his desire for a perfect firebender interfere with his precious daughters happiness >This is a perfect explanation as to how Mom could love me but never show it, and Dad was a massive jerk to me and Mom
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Anonymous
>I honestly hope that Bryke by some miracle decide to take an artistic instead of a capitalistic direction with the future material, because there are definitely ways to make these future stories interesting, and even tie into Korra >But whilst I hope for the best, realistically I expect nothing else but these future releases being massive disappointments.
I, like countless fanfic writers and anons on this site, can think of a bunch of ways to make the gap period interesting, even with the comics and Korra restricting us. But considering they are so adamant on keeping Aang's era kid friendly and are probably wary of making any of the main cast suffer for fear of backlash, and thus finanical ruin, I can't help but feel we'll get the safest content possible that doesn't really advance the setting or drive the characters forward. Like for example, why did Azula's solo comic basically focus on things we already knew or could infer from the show, as well as soft retconning her comics developments, instead of telling or showing us something new about the character like Ozai actively grooming her or her time in the aslyum, or building off her comics apperances and showing what her time in the asylum was like, her continuing to push her bending, or her trying to manipulate Zuko into a "strong" Fire Lord?
All we know about the upcoming Avatar film's plot is that it will be an adult Gaang reunion adventure movie set in the Earth Kingdom, it was confirmed that the comics were canon so we can probably expect to see Ursa's family and Toph's metalbending academy students.
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Anonymous
>an adult Gaang reunion adventure movie set in the Earth Kingdom
When did they confirm that it would take place in the EK? IIRC, all they did was confirm that Aang and Katara are the leads, that it takes place when the Gaang are in their 20s, that the comics are canon, and that we might see comic only characters, and main characters and villain's VA.
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Anonymous
Apparently the 2022 Annecy announcement teaser showed a shot of General Fong's fortress plus the symbol of Earth.
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Anonymous
All relationship dynamics are inherently that way. There's always power dynamics, it's just a matter if those power dynamics tend towards the abusive.
Daily reminder that she and Mai forgot about Azula and moved on with their lives while she was in captivity. These two c**ts do not deserve affection of anyway.
The worst thing about shows like Avatar is they follow complete protagonist centric morality. The villains inspire no loyalty and ALWAYS use fear to keep minions in line, so by the end you end up with a "dindu nothin'" Wehrmacht and Super-Hitler who is either dead, in jail, or somehow redeemed but nobody not even their minions actually like them.
>complete protagonist centric morality
Dude the Fire Nation were absolutely the villains wtf are you talking about? Did you also forget about the Library incident? Aang and his friends were legit in the wrong there.
Probably yeah, they were more than complicit in Azula's takeover of Ba Sing Se and unlike Zuko or Iroh didn't work to help take things back and fix things. They probably should've fleshed out their heel turns/redemption more.
>They probably should've fleshed out their heel turns/redemption more.
They didn't have enough episodes though. If they did, then they would have show us why only Aang was capable of defeating Ozai instead of telling us, give Toph a field trip with Zuko, make it take longer from Zuko to gain the Gaang's trust, and fleshed out Azula's madness arc, as well make it clear she is product of nurture.
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Anonymous
Well yeah obviously, there was a lot of loose ends that season 3 didn't tie up all that succinctly. Me, I'd dedicate an arc to Aang rebuilding his spiritual connection to restore the Avatar State in addition to what you said.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean, I think them not having enough episodes was a result of them making too many bland filler and unecessary episodes in season 3, as opposed to them genuinely not being able to fit in a Toph and Zuko episode, Azula arc, and the Aang stuff they could of done in the episodes they already made, they just bungled the execution.
Let break it down:
You can remove Painted Lady and Daydreams and Nightmares as they dont add anything to the story, and are just bland, The Headband is also meh, but it does include the Gaang getting the Fire Nation clothes, so continuity wise it is necessary, and whilst you could make it a bit better, the problem is for the first half of the season we are unable to do a Toph-Zuko episode, and you cant do an Azula/Zuko arc episode here as by its premise of them getting the clothes it must be a Gaang centric episode, the only other thing you could do is have it explore Aangs role as the Avatar more, but that feels a bit off in the 2nd episode, so I dont you can do much here.
You could also argue for removing The Runaway as its also filler, but its actually decent filler, and we already got 2 more episodes which we could use for an Azula/Zuko arc, which I feel should be more than enough to truly flesh out her character, and prevent the fricking debate from ever coming into existence.
Then in the second half, for the Toph-Zuko episode you can easily make The Boiling Rock a 1 parter, unless you want to focus on Azulas relationship with Mai and Ty Lee breaking down more in the second part, in which case you can easily make remove 1 of the 4 episodes from Sozins Comet, as I really dont see why they couldnt of fit everything that was happening into 3 episodes, which then opens up a Toph-Zuko episode spot, which is great.
As for the Aang Avatar stuff, just write his parts in Sozins Comet better, and add a couple of scenes in Avatar and The Firelord, The Day of Black Sun, The Firebending Masters and Ember Island Players.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly I'd say Runaway is a worse episode than Painted Lady and Nightmares and would vote to have it removed. It pretty much ruined all discourse surrounding Katara's character by forcing the whole "mommy" meme
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean its all subjective really, I do like the Toph stuff in that episode a lot, and Katara was always my least favorite member of the Gaang, to the point that probably the main reason I like Distorted Reality is because I like Azula as the main female lead 10x more.
But at the end of the day, the point is that you could easily make room for 2 or more episodes in the first half of the season, which would give plenty of room to properly flesh out Azula, and give focus to Mai and Ty Lee, aswell ass expand Zuko even more, if you have 3 episodes you can even shift one of them over to after The Day of Black Sun, so that Zuko takes more than 1 episode to join.
Which means that these things had nothing to do with them lacking episodes and everything to do with them prioritizing filler for no reason.
Sperm donor.
Alternatively Ty Lee doesn't understand how babies are made and Azula is shocked.
ATLA's universe wouldn't have the tech for in-vitro pregnancies. Any potential father would have to do the deed himself and I can't imagine he'd just be willing to give up his child to be raised by a former psychopath. Unless you wanna make things even more awkward by having a waterbender bend the sperm into the mother's womb
>ATLA's universe wouldn't have the tech for in-vitro pregnancies. Any potential father would have to do the deed himself and I can't imagine he'd just be willing to give up his child to be raised by a former psychopath.
The Fire Foursome ship solves this problem.
>How the frick would a pair of lesbos give anybody a cousin?
Kidnapping or sperm donor.
Sperm donor.
Alternatively Ty Lee doesn't understand how babies are made and Azula is shocked.
Adoption or sperm donor.
I think you forgetting something very useful: the freaking Avatar is the niece's dad best friend.I'm so with him in the world of spirits they can find a way or one of them might have a dick.
>Never forget what netflix took from you.
Ty Lee's IRL actress is a real teenage. They probably took away the exposed midriff to stop people from sexualizing her further.
did people just forget that containment boards exist? >>>/u/ and I don't mean this maliciously, old internet wasn't so hostile because everyone knew how to stick to their own corner
>Cinemaphile: If you want to talk about lesbian cartoons, just go to /u/ >/u/: If you want to talk about lesbian cartoons, just go to Cinemaphile
These are crossboard topics, both boards are acceptable as long as the general rules for each board are followed, which this topic does for Cinemaphile.
If you are not sexless in regards to your media, you have to age up human characters in the fanart, because nobody makes appealing animation for twenty-somethings and up other than japan.
It's almost like you just HAVE to be a furry, exclusively.
I am a desperate yurifiend and I love Azula but the Ty Lee ship never really worked for me. It feels like it's the chosen yuri ship for Azula basically by default. She has absolutely no chemistry or connection to any of the other female cast and so by virtue of having, like, exchanged more than one line of dialogue with her, Ty Lee is the one who gets slotted in. No spark there even with my most powerful yuri goggles on. Ty Lee is nice to Azula in the same way she's nice to everybody, and Azula never shows any more of a soft spot for her than she does Mei (which is basically none). Yes she's torn up by the betrayal, but it doesn't feel personal. It's a "how dare someone do this to me" not a "how dare YOU do this to me".
Unironically the best ship by those metrics is Zuko.
You are right though. I like the ship but that's mostly due to fan stuff. In the show itself the only relationship that really shines for Azula is with Zuko. With her mom but Ursa's a non character in the show and the comics suck in my opinion, so there we are.
This is the result of a taboo of not being able to portray guys being rough with girls in cartoons. So then girls are the only ones that can rough and tumble with them like a boyfriend would. Thank you for listening my TED talk.
There's obviously next to nothing in canon to directly support it but like...
It works.
We know chicks dig Sokka, he comes from the closest thing southern water tribe has to nobility, he's from a bloodline that produces powerful benders, he's both physically capable and militarily competent-all things that likely would appeal to Azula.
I mean, he did kill sparky sparky boom boom man. And he dueled the foremost swordmaster in all the lands and walked away with all his limbs and a modicum of respect from said sword master. Sure, Sokka's not Chad Thunderwiener, he of a thousand gains. But he's not exactly a puddle of goo, either.
>Yue was willing to ignore her arranged marriage for him >Ty Lee thought he was cute >Toph kissed Suki thinking she was him >Suki and he fricked in that little tent
This is all literally from the show
I thought you meant irl chicks.
Nevertheless, all of your greentext is due to the fact Sokka is a selfinsert. Not because there is anything appealing about him.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Funny >Cares about his family >Willing to learn from his mistakes >Smart but not nerdy
Let me guess, you hate Beastboy too
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Admittedly I didn't think about this ship at all till I saw this artist and...they make a compelling case
There's obviously next to nothing in canon to directly support it but like...
It works.
We know chicks dig Sokka, he comes from the closest thing southern water tribe has to nobility, he's from a bloodline that produces powerful benders, he's both physically capable and militarily competent-all things that likely would appeal to Azula.
Bending Ty Lee into shapes there's no name for and pumping kids into her sopping pussy while she invents new positions that would make the Kama Sutra blush
1/9
9/9
cute because she does care about some circus freak
1/8
I say AU.
8/8
I thought she was hanging
Same. the long ass speech bubble tail and her pose make it look like it
>gelous
what in the ESL
t. Gelous.
>abusive ship
>people portray them as hella wholesome literally me
for what fricking purpose
For cute girls kissing cute girls.
Either they just like the characters aesthetically and have no wishes to actually see abuse OR they like the idea of them having secretly wholesome feelings that undercut the abusive tendencies.
Im guessing because Ty Lee is the only person Azula is ever shown to feel bad for hurting, in 2 scenes in The Beach.
Also when Ty Lee goes to hug Azula in The Return to Omashu, Azula smiles.
So considering how she’s completely callous towards everyone else, the fact she seems to genuinely care about/like Ty Lee makes shippers think its because she is in love with her.
Its dumb of course, Azula is shown caring for Zuko in The Beach aswell, aswell as being shown being immensely attached to Ursa in the comics (I know, comics bad, but its simply the logical conclusion of what they were trying to tell us with Azula from the end of the show, that she desperately wants to be loved by her mom and for her to be proud of her so I dont see a problem with it)
>Im guessing because Ty Lee is the only person Azula is ever shown to feel bad for hurting
Yeah, and to add on, even in the comics, Azula not only avoids hurting the real Ty Lee in Smoke and Shadow and her solo comic, but also, after taking down the spirit version of Ty Lee, when asked why doesn't she kill her, Azula acts shocked at the idea that she would ever do that. Imo, I think the canon explaination is that, deep down, Azula would rather die than kill Mai or Ty Lee outside of fits of rage, and deeply regrets attacking or hurting the other, non-Ozai members of her family. It's the only explaination why she hasn't murked them all at this point, even though she could have several times over. But you can see how easy it is for shippers to twist Azula's plantoic love for Ty Lee into something romantic.
I mean, she definitely feels bad about wanting to kill her mother, after she apologized to her for not loving her enough, its obvious in the scene that once she hears the apology she starts hesitating about wanting to kill her, even the transcript brings attention to the fact that Zuko takes advantage of Azula suddenly stopping.
And in Spirit Temple she acts around Ursa in a similar manner to how Zuko acted towards Iroh upon their reunion, with Ursa going up to hug Azula, but Azula not hugging her back as if she feels uneasy to do so after having hurt her before.
>"The only way my mother could ever love me is in a state of complete amnesia, this is my life"
>That look of devastation
This would turn me even eviler, in ways Hitler would fear
Gene Yang isn't appreciated enough outside of this board
I mean, whilst yes Ursa has amnesia here, the thing is its not like Azula is a complete stranger to her, she already met her before and was being mean to/scaring her other daughter, and right before this scene, she breaks through the roof announcing herself as her daughter who she declared to be a monster and replaced with a new daughter.
So Azula would know, and is probably intending to, show herself to her mother as a complete monster, as a means of asserting her belief that her mother perceived her as one since the moment she was born.
To then hear her mother, who even despite amnesia, is ultimately still the same person with the same beliefs of right and wrong, and motherhood, say to this absolute and complete monster that if she didnt love her enough she is sorry, makes Azula realize/consider that despite how her mother has only ever known her as a true monster, that she would still love said monster, completely catches her off guard, and makes her question then that if her mother truly is able to love her as she is now, does that mean that she loved her in the past aswell.
Basically Ursa acknowledges Azula as her daughter, and says that even despite seeing her wanting to kill her, and ravage her entire family, that she still would love her as her daughter despite it all completely shatters her.
This is also later contrasted with Zuko here
where he says that despite how horrible she has been his entire life, she will always be his sister, and this again completely breaks her.
Like this scene with Zuko also definitely shows that she does love him deep down, although its very hard for her to admit it, and by Spirit Temple I would rank her love towards her family members in this order.
Ursa>Ozai>=Zuko
So no, with the context I dont think Azula would double down on this, as it shows that her mother is willing to love her even as she is being a compl monster.
Kind of funny considering the first episode Ty Lee was introduced.
She declines Azula's offer, and Azula stays to make her performance a living hell that could easily get her killed, implying that she'll do the same thing every day until she either agrees to go with her, or dies.
Then Ty Lee goes along with her to save her own skin, and just forgets about that whole thing and immediately goes back to loving her.
It almost makes me think that she was being genuine about the universe giving her signs to go with Azula, but she says it in such a stilted and monotone way that's so unnatural to her that I just feel like it's a believable lie.
>Then Ty Lee goes along with her to save her own skin, and just forgets about that whole thing and immediately goes back to loving her.
She's fairly obviously toadying up to Azula to stay on her good side.
>It almost makes me think that she was being genuine about the universe giving her signs to go with Azula, but she says it in such a stilted and monotone way that's so unnatural to her that I just feel like it's a believable lie.
>She's fairly obviously toadying up to Azula to stay on her good side.
Ty Lee's advice to Azula on how to get boys is the same method she uses to placate Azula. It's really obvious on later watches that Ty Lee's personality is mostly fake around Azula, and that the only time she act like her real self is during the campfire scene.
I am neutral on the Tyzula ship, I but like this art.
Why would Azula have makeup, perfect hair, and a night gown while imprisoned unless you going with stupid comics logic or horny posting logic?
>Just because the ship's got a tragic ending doesn't mean it's not nice to imagine otherwise.
There is nothing really to support the ship other than aesthetics tho.
You know what is funny? There is more indication that Ty Luko and Zucest, at least on Ty Lee and Azula's ends, is a thing than Tyzula. So I wonder why Ty Lee hasn't tried anything with Zuko after he broke up with Mai? Is it because she practices "bros over hoes"?
>Ty Lee's advice to Azula on how to get boys is the same method she uses to placate Azula.
Ty Lee does smile a lot, but I don't remember her laughing at things Azula says.
>Ty Lee does smile a lot, but I don't remember her laughing at things Azula says.
Remember her laughing at Azula's fangirls comment? Or her calling Azula the prettiest, most perfect girl in the world? Or her agreeing with Azula that everyone should worship them?
>So I wonder why Ty Lee hasn't tried anything with Zuko after he broke up with Mai? Is it because she practices "bros over hoes"?
It'd make taking part in the kyoshi orgies with him kinda awkward.
>Its dumb of course, Azula is shown caring for Zuko in The Beach aswell
I do genuinely think Azula wants Zuko to redeem himself. She gives him many second chances which any regular run of the mill villain wouldn't give a "dishonorable betraying loser" like Zuko. But there are two issues that come inbetween, first, her mission. If her mission is to kill Zuko, she will do that. Secondly, she wants to be the fire lord, but as the older son Zuko would be the first choice.
Thus she is trying to get both Zuko back into the family, as well as taking the position of power in the fire nation. If you look at her actions from this perspective, a lot of scenes with her suddenly make a lot more sense instead of just "she is merely crazy"
>for what fricking purpose
A lot of reasons anon. Before the comics/extended lore all but said that Azula was always abusive to Zuko and her "friends", it was popular to believe that she was at one point genuine, yet toxic, friends and siblings with Zuko, Mai, and Ty Lee. Also, if you ignore or handwave their history, it is easy to see how Azula and Ty Lee compliment each other and would make a good couple. Finally, a lot of people self-insert into Azula or Ty Lee, often Ty Lee, for obvious reasons. There is a reason why Tyzula was the WLW ATLA until people started calling out the sus aspects, the comics came out, and Korrasami became canon.
Umm, what are you talking about, the comics imply exactly that Azula was a toxic sibling and friend and to Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee.
We hear on multiple occasions of Zuko and Azula sharing happy memories together from their childhood, its just that they were interjected by Azula being a little shit most of the time, I mean when Zuko brings attention to this and says that despite everything she will always be his sister, she tears up, and runs away im tears sobbing, which means she clearly cares about being responsible for all the pain and bad blood between her and someone who genuinely cares about her, her brother.
With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one, she still cares about having a relationship with her, and I mean even from the show Ursas apparition, which is obviously meant to be Azulas conscience taking the form of her mother, refers to Mai and Ty Lee as her friends.
>We hear on multiple occasions of Zuko and Azula sharing happy memories together from their childhood,
People are honest when they are angry and/or don't have anything to gain from you. Zuko might say that he cares about Azula, but he said those things either while they were looking for Ursa or he wanted Azula to stop attacking Ursa until Aang and Katara returned. Also, the fact that he never checks up on her until he needs her to talk to Ozai about Ursa/realizes that the terrible state of his nuclear family reflects badly on him, and his outburst when he has her by the neck on the cliffside is telling.
>With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one
It means that comic!Azula knows deep down Mai and Ty Lee were never her friends, no matter what she tries telling herself, not that they were at one point genuine, but toxic, friends.
The whole comic is about Zuko restoring his relationships with his family from a personal perspective, the whole thing the guy said was about how a great leader must be first treat his family well, if he is to treat his nation well, its nothing to do with public image, but rather about the traits that make up a great ruler.
Also I really doubt that the intention behind the scene Im going to post in the next few posts in full, was meant to portray Zuko as anything but genuine.
Also no, what it means is that Azula wants and perceives Mai and Ty Lee to be her friends ie. people she likes and wants to hang out with, remember most friendships are shallow or at least start out shallow, its not until a significant amount of effort is done to open up towards another that it becomes what most people assume friendship is.
The whole point of Ursas and Ty Lees apparitions is that theyre pointing out to her how terribly she is acting towards people who are supposed to be her friends, and criticizing her behavior as such, not that Azula deep down knows that they werent her friends.
This is honestly the equivalent of people saying how Azula knew the whole time Ursa loved her because her apparition tells her that, and thus she is just being melodramatic, despite it being made blatantly clear in many scenes and interviews that Azula genuinely with all her heart believes Ursa hated her, and Ursas apparition was just her conscience telling her the truth, rather than what Azula genuinely believed.
I forgot I was supposed to post these for a bit but here it goes
Yurigays have a blatant and shameless disregard for canon, even by shipper standards
The same reason that some hyper violent man is fun to see as something heroic and epic.
Fiction and entertainment for young people need intensity. And fandom doesn't have to worry about the restrictions of the mainstream media, so they set the intensity at 200%. They don't care about ethics.
This happens a lot in multiple fandoms, the most toxic relationship between characters are very popular. The only requisite is that the two of them must be sexy, and one of them must be the bottom b***h.
>This happens a lot in multiple fandoms, the most toxic relationship between characters are very popular. The only requisite is that the two of them must be sexy, and one of them must be the bottom b***h.
Doesn't this explain the most recent JJK ship poll in which the most popular ships were adult/minor, yaoi, incest, hero/enemy, or some combination of the above?
>adult/minor, yaoi, incest, hero/enemy, or some combination of the above?
The thing they all have in common is an element of forbidden or unlikely love. You can imagine all sorts of strong emotional moments taking place between the people involved to get them into said relationships. Easy formula for pathos and catharsis, which makes for gripping stories if you can just overlook cannonicity. It's a million times more interesting than "nice guy gets together with nice girl he has the hots for".
>It's a million times more interesting than "nice guy gets together with nice girl he has the hots for".
That's actually much rarer and more compelling these days than yet another trashy fanfic from the alphabet soup brigade.
If it's literally just nice guy + nice girl then no, it's not compelling in the least. Not because it's hetero but because there's nothing to it besides
>I love you
>I love you too
>Now we're together and we still love each other
It's fine when it's a background element and the pathos can come from something else, but as the focus of a story it's never been particularly common because most authors know it's bland and boring. The old Disney movies like Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty all have romances which are nothing but "nice guy and nice girl", but none of them focus on the romance in itself. Beauty and the Beast does, but that's not a "nice guy and nice girl" story at all. Something like Aladdin is in the middle; it's kinda still nice guy/nice girl but with the princess/commonner dynamic making it more interesting, but also the romance isn't as much the focus of the movie as it is in BatB.
Nice guy + nice girl against the world is a kino formula and I'm tired of homosexuals pretending it isn't.
>Nice guy + nice girl against the world
For instance?
Cinderella III
I mean, sure, but again, the romance in those movies isn't the focus like it is in BatB (or in Tangled to name another example), and if you remove the external factors and focus on the romance itself, it's not that compelling. In both cases the guy and the girl just immediately like each other, and the only obstacles to them getting together are external; the stories are still good, but it doesn't make for an interesting dynamic between the two lovers.
Sometimes simple and wholesome things are the best.
Sometimes, sure, but I was discussing what's more interesting, not what's better. Simple and clean has its own merits, but "interesting" ain't one of them.
Simple and clean is often much more interesting than a cringey drama fest. There's a reason farming sims and pet games are very popular.
>There's a reason farming sims and pet games are very popular.
Because they're "comfy", not "interesting".
I don't know why you're acting as if being interesting is the only virtue a work can have. FromSoft makes interesting stories that are also subpar in many other ways. Stuff like Spongebob or OG Superman or Crash Bandicoot arent very interesting, but they're still fun.
Anything that captures and holds the attention is interesting, by definition.
That's a too-broad definition of "interesting". A nasty toothache does an amazing job of holding your attention, but few people would call that pain "interesting". If you insist on this definition then "interesting" isn't even a point of praise, since even the shittiest stories can be interesting in how shit they are.
This post was written by either a gay man or a horny teenage fanfic writer.
Little Mermaid.
To please my dick
and their quim(formerly wiener)
it's how dykes propagate
Shippers aren't in any way rational, they tend to just be terminally online people who don't understand relationships of any kind, or who don't care about the actual characters and their chemistry and just want to smoosh barbies together
This artist made a pic of Sokka getting smacked in the face and implied that he "deserved it"
???
W*men were a mistake.
All men deserve it.
You're annoying
Audacious, nothing like that ever happened in the original!
>abusive
Azula genuinely loved ty lee, you fricking moron.
>Azula genuinely loved ty lee
>Ty Lee genuinely loved Azula
Ha, nice joke Scapper.
Not once in any of those exchanges does azula ever say she hates ty lee
>using comics for your argument
Comics are noncanon.
Your crack ship is noncanon
>With Ty Lee specifically, Ty Lees apparition in Spirit Temple says that Azula believes a lot of nonsense, including that they were actually friends, implying that from Azulas POV she perceived at the very least Ty Lee to be her friend, even if she were a terrible one, she still cares about having a relationship with her, and I mean even from the show Ursas apparition, which is obviously meant to be Azulas conscience taking the form of her mother, refers to Mai and Ty Lee as her friends.
There Azulas feelings and relationship towards Ty Lee explained through evidence given to us by the canon material, you can stop discussing this now.
I love being proven right
>I love my delusions
Wow, you and Azula sure do love engaging in delusional thinking, huh?
Anon literally pointed out Azula saw them as friends. You have nothing.
That Azula is explicitly delusional and Ty Lee never liked her to begin with, and she knows this?
Shipping is playing doll house. You take the basics from the characters and fill the gaps however you please. Opposites attract and bad guys/girls are popular because they makes the ship interesting. That is why even canon ships in cartoons are usually "will they, wont they". The drama makes it interesting.
Because yurigays are pathetic subhumans
What?
That yuri shipping logic for you. They make shit up to make their gay ship look cute when in reality Azula and Ty Lee aren't gay with Azula seeing her as a pawn and Ty Lee being scared of her.
>mah pawn
Ah right, I forgot, the moment a tyrant loses a single soldier, they become mad with power, fire every servant, cut their own hair, start to hallucinate their parents and cry like a little b***h when losing a battle.
It's a cartoon for children, and you seriously can't tell that she was just lying to herself when she claims she doesn't need anyone?
Just because the ship's got a tragic ending doesn't mean it's not nice to imagine otherwise.
>
Why hate when you can love?
those girls must be tiny if they are shorter than azula
Azula grows up to be 6ft tall eventually. Just like her parents. Zuko on the other hand will forever be a manlet.
I didn't know they allowed internet in the fire nation asylums, Azula
>abusive relationship portrayed romantically
Is the female species made for PAIN!?
As a member of that group
>Yes
Did everyone miss that I said AU?
Like this is?
Reign of the Fire Lady Dowager
Whether Azula is pure evil/psychopath or not has been an insanely fricking divisive and heated topic in the fandom ever since The Beach and Sozins Comet aired in 2008, and while it never was as big of a deal as Kataang vs Zutara, or is Korra shit or not debates, those were generally a lot more one sided (most people hated Zutarians insisting on how Zutara was always meant to be even if they preferred Zutara/didnt like Kataang, and Korra is a decent/mediocre show if you ignore season 2 being fanfic tier), but the Azula debate is a literal 50/50 split in the fandom, and there is generally very little ground that the Azula is pure evil/psychopath crowd are willing to give, thus the debate usually devolves into people trying to prove definitively that in x scene she did a thing which a pure evil/psychopath would never do whilst there also not being any possible ulterior
motive for her to have, even if she is never established or even implied as having said ulterior motive or acting upon it, because of her previous actions she must show a 100% definitive unambiguous example of genuine compassion and sympathy for another, or else this crowd wont budge.
What this means is that whenever Azula is mentioned in any capacity in a thread, there is a 90% chance that the thread will devolve to people bickering about Azula.
And to think that this all could have been avoided if they decided to do anything but the absolute bare minimum with Azulas character in the original show, when they had plans for multiple episodes focusing on her arc, or Aaron the head writer from the moment her character was introduced begging for her to be more humanized early on, but you will still find morons who think Bryke are geniuses who didnt get lucky with a lightning in a bottle.
Oh please, we all know that Aaron got just as lucky as Bryke did when writing ATLA. Dragon Prince was a steaming pile and you’re putting way too much faith in him to deliver something with Azula
Aaron wrote most of Zukos arc, and he made Iroh and Toph the characters we know, he was also clearly was the driving force behind making Azula an actual complex character.
The point is that, ATLA was as good as it was because Bryke did the worldbuilding whilst Aaron did the characterwork, thus when you split them you get a lesser product, since the 2 are greater than the sum of their parts.
Also Ive heard Dragon Prince was pretty goodin seasons 1-3, it was just with season 4 that it went to absolute shit.
Also from what wrote about his ideas on Azula in pic related, I absolutely believe he would of knocked it out of the park.
if aaron is so good at characters why are the dragon prince characters so shit ?
if Bryke is so good at wordbuilding why is the korra wordbuilding so shit ?
the answer is that both of them are just idea guys that are not actually any good at either of those things, they just had more unsung heroes tardwranglers during ATLA than they did in their next projects
The problem with Dragon prince from what Ive read in this tumblr post was that Aaron decided to turn some of the characters into Ozai, Zuko and Azula, so its less he cant write characters, and more he decided to rehash his old characters for no reason.
https://themattress.tumblr.com/post/189628622159
As for Bryke and Korra I think the wolrdbuilding is mostly good if you ignore Republic city, and the second half of season 2.
> I think the wolrdbuilding is mostly good if you ignore Republic city
Isnt that where the characters are around for like 90% of the show
Sad that no one asked for sauce? Well if it makes you feel better..
The sauce is literally in the pics, why would anyone need to ask?
AUs are always garbage especially when the only purpose they serve is to enable crackships like this
Not true! Though not by design, they can achieve great things on their own merit
It kills me that I expected Jackie Diaz to be a pimply hambeast and she turned out to be actual adult Azula
I hope she made it in acting, she's crazy but in a good way
>Wanted to villainize Mai and make Zuko and Katara look like tragic star crossed lovers
>Accidentally made Mai the only one you feel sympathy for and Zutara into self centered, violent jackasses who you want to see die
Will always be hilarious
The frick does that last sentence have to do with anything?
It's an au fanfiction where Azula and Zuko's mom kills their dad after killing their grandpa because she knew that that was a horrible parent. I wanted to do a link to the exact fanfiction page but it think that was spam.
What does that have to do with Tyzula?
I'm on chapter 14 and Mom is making Azula better person as a little girl. And for some reason she's thinking of arrange marriage Zuko to marry the Moon girl.
Good for you, go talk about it on wherever your fanfic is and let this thread be about abusive lesbian relationships.
It's not supposed to be about abusive.
An Azula/Ty Lee relationship is inherently abusive. Its inseparable from their dynamic.
>An Azula/Ty Lee relationship is inherently abusive. Its inseparable from their dynamic.
Most Tyzula fics are AU, after Azula unlearns her abusive ways and makes amends to Ty Lee, or is overtly abusive tho.
Azula's personality is never going to tolerate an equal relationship with anybody. She will always be master or servant.
>Azula's personality is never going to tolerate an equal relationship with anybody. She will always be master or servant.
I agree, but in the highly unlikely case she has a breakthrough, I think she is capable of being in a healthy relationship. There are instances in the show and comics that imply that deep down, there is someone of capable of being a loving, caring person. It's just that it is highly unlikely she'll be become that person considering she has double and tripled down at this point.
I mean the biggest problem with Azula in the comics is that she goes from running off in tears after hearing an apology from her mom, and a declaration of unconditional love from her brother, to her just leading a terrorist group the literal first time we see her next, with her showing zero signs of what she went through/thought through, other than how she is now not supposed to be Firelord but is instead supposed to make Zuko in the Firelord she was meant to be, at least Spirit Temple gives us some hints with the way she acts around Ursa, her opinion on Ozai, and her expressions upon fake-Zuko saying how she will have to face how she hurt the people who cares about her if she is alone.
Just to give you an idea of what they decided to skip we go from this being the last time we see her
to pic related which is just fricking ridiculous, I dont mind and even kind of like her leading a terrorist group, but skipping over the subsequent scene is a fricking crime, unless when they decided to write the scene, they thought it was so good and so emotionally heavy and heartwrenching, that they decided that its best to leave it for the big screen, and thus it will be shown in a flashback in one of the upcoming movies.
If they give Azula a definite ending, they can't sell any more comics about her.
>If they give Azula a definite ending, they can't sell any more comics about her.
This right here is why the ATLA comics and anything set between ATLA and Korra is creatively bankrupt. After showing us the creation of the UR and what happened to Ursa, nothing interesting can happen until Korra S1. There is no point to the ATLA comics, and sadly, there probably be no point to the ATLA movies outside of shallow fanservice like seeing the Kataraang and Maiko weddings or Azula get a half-baked redemption or going out a blaze of glory that doesn't really hurt the Gaang.
I honestly hope that Bryke by some miracle decide to take an artistic instead of a capitalistic direction with the future material, because there are definitely ways to make these future stories interesting, and even tie into Korra
But whilst I hope for the best, realistically I expect nothing else but these future releases being massive disappointments.
>I honestly hope that Bryke by some miracle decide to take an artistic instead of a capitalistic direction with the future material, because there are definitely ways to make these future stories interesting, and even tie into Korra
>But whilst I hope for the best, realistically I expect nothing else but these future releases being massive disappointments.
I, like countless fanfic writers and anons on this site, can think of a bunch of ways to make the gap period interesting, even with the comics and Korra restricting us. But considering they are so adamant on keeping Aang's era kid friendly and are probably wary of making any of the main cast suffer for fear of backlash, and thus finanical ruin, I can't help but feel we'll get the safest content possible that doesn't really advance the setting or drive the characters forward. Like for example, why did Azula's solo comic basically focus on things we already knew or could infer from the show, as well as soft retconning her comics developments, instead of telling or showing us something new about the character like Ozai actively grooming her or her time in the aslyum, or building off her comics apperances and showing what her time in the asylum was like, her continuing to push her bending, or her trying to manipulate Zuko into a "strong" Fire Lord?
The comic did give us 2 new things, although considering how interconnected these 2 things are you can just call it 1 new thing, and that is Azula being a lot more timid and openly attached to Ursa, suggesting that after she ran off in The Search she fully came to accept that her mother did indeed love her, and thinks that she should of stayed with her no matter what instead of saving Zuko, something which before would of been unthinkable from her, considering for instance how she didnt seem to care Ursa left in the flashbacks, implying that at this point she was fully convinced that Ursa hates her and her leaving meant nothing.
The second thing is her understanding to some degree Ozai toxic influence on her, and how he forged her into a weapon, which whilst a massive development from her, might seem odd in terms off how did she come to this conclusion, and this is why I said you could count this under the first new thing, since the most reasonable explanation for both of these changes of heart, come down to the following thought process she must of had:
>Mom apologizes for not loving me enough
>This means that she did love me but couldnt show it for some reason
>But what could that reason be
>Wait, I remember that Mom and Dad didnt like eachother very much
>Dad thus probably didnt trust Mom very much
>This means that when Mom and Dad saw me firebending at a very young age Dad didnt want Mom to interfere with my training or upbringing as he didnt trust her
>This meant that Mom wasnt allowed to show me any sign of love or sense of pride as Dad wouldnt let her
>This must mean then that the reason why I never felt any love from Mom was because she wasnt Dad didnt trust her with me, and Dad let his desire for a perfect firebender interfere with his precious daughters happiness
>This is a perfect explanation as to how Mom could love me but never show it, and Dad was a massive jerk to me and Mom
All we know about the upcoming Avatar film's plot is that it will be an adult Gaang reunion adventure movie set in the Earth Kingdom, it was confirmed that the comics were canon so we can probably expect to see Ursa's family and Toph's metalbending academy students.
>an adult Gaang reunion adventure movie set in the Earth Kingdom
When did they confirm that it would take place in the EK? IIRC, all they did was confirm that Aang and Katara are the leads, that it takes place when the Gaang are in their 20s, that the comics are canon, and that we might see comic only characters, and main characters and villain's VA.
Apparently the 2022 Annecy announcement teaser showed a shot of General Fong's fortress plus the symbol of Earth.
All relationship dynamics are inherently that way. There's always power dynamics, it's just a matter if those power dynamics tend towards the abusive.
Daily reminder that she and Mai forgot about Azula and moved on with their lives while she was in captivity. These two c**ts do not deserve affection of anyway.
The worst thing about shows like Avatar is they follow complete protagonist centric morality. The villains inspire no loyalty and ALWAYS use fear to keep minions in line, so by the end you end up with a "dindu nothin'" Wehrmacht and Super-Hitler who is either dead, in jail, or somehow redeemed but nobody not even their minions actually like them.
>complete protagonist centric morality
Dude the Fire Nation were absolutely the villains wtf are you talking about? Did you also forget about the Library incident? Aang and his friends were legit in the wrong there.
NTA but if Fire Nation wrong then Mai and Ty Lee who are Fire Nation should be treated as people who did wrong and not just misled into doing wrong.
Probably yeah, they were more than complicit in Azula's takeover of Ba Sing Se and unlike Zuko or Iroh didn't work to help take things back and fix things. They probably should've fleshed out their heel turns/redemption more.
>They probably should've fleshed out their heel turns/redemption more.
They didn't have enough episodes though. If they did, then they would have show us why only Aang was capable of defeating Ozai instead of telling us, give Toph a field trip with Zuko, make it take longer from Zuko to gain the Gaang's trust, and fleshed out Azula's madness arc, as well make it clear she is product of nurture.
Well yeah obviously, there was a lot of loose ends that season 3 didn't tie up all that succinctly. Me, I'd dedicate an arc to Aang rebuilding his spiritual connection to restore the Avatar State in addition to what you said.
I mean, I think them not having enough episodes was a result of them making too many bland filler and unecessary episodes in season 3, as opposed to them genuinely not being able to fit in a Toph and Zuko episode, Azula arc, and the Aang stuff they could of done in the episodes they already made, they just bungled the execution.
Let break it down:
You can remove Painted Lady and Daydreams and Nightmares as they dont add anything to the story, and are just bland, The Headband is also meh, but it does include the Gaang getting the Fire Nation clothes, so continuity wise it is necessary, and whilst you could make it a bit better, the problem is for the first half of the season we are unable to do a Toph-Zuko episode, and you cant do an Azula/Zuko arc episode here as by its premise of them getting the clothes it must be a Gaang centric episode, the only other thing you could do is have it explore Aangs role as the Avatar more, but that feels a bit off in the 2nd episode, so I dont you can do much here.
You could also argue for removing The Runaway as its also filler, but its actually decent filler, and we already got 2 more episodes which we could use for an Azula/Zuko arc, which I feel should be more than enough to truly flesh out her character, and prevent the fricking debate from ever coming into existence.
Then in the second half, for the Toph-Zuko episode you can easily make The Boiling Rock a 1 parter, unless you want to focus on Azulas relationship with Mai and Ty Lee breaking down more in the second part, in which case you can easily make remove 1 of the 4 episodes from Sozins Comet, as I really dont see why they couldnt of fit everything that was happening into 3 episodes, which then opens up a Toph-Zuko episode spot, which is great.
As for the Aang Avatar stuff, just write his parts in Sozins Comet better, and add a couple of scenes in Avatar and The Firelord, The Day of Black Sun, The Firebending Masters and Ember Island Players.
Honestly I'd say Runaway is a worse episode than Painted Lady and Nightmares and would vote to have it removed. It pretty much ruined all discourse surrounding Katara's character by forcing the whole "mommy" meme
I mean its all subjective really, I do like the Toph stuff in that episode a lot, and Katara was always my least favorite member of the Gaang, to the point that probably the main reason I like Distorted Reality is because I like Azula as the main female lead 10x more.
But at the end of the day, the point is that you could easily make room for 2 or more episodes in the first half of the season, which would give plenty of room to properly flesh out Azula, and give focus to Mai and Ty Lee, aswell ass expand Zuko even more, if you have 3 episodes you can even shift one of them over to after The Day of Black Sun, so that Zuko takes more than 1 episode to join.
Which means that these things had nothing to do with them lacking episodes and everything to do with them prioritizing filler for no reason.
The Fire Nation did nothing wrong.
>while she was in captivity
They already forgot about her after childhood.
Both of them cleaning remember Azula was when she encountered them to be her mini boss Squad.
You mean clearly, not cleaning right?
Yes.
Okay, so the post I was replying to used the word "forgot" as "stopped caring"
>relying on comic "canon"
Do you also think Agents of Shield is canon to the MCU?
I have read many Tyzula fanfics.
Any recs?
I completely ship Tyzula. It's a fine wine, boys, and we're sipping deep when Tyzula's in town.
That really looks like gurihuru.
How the frick would a pair of lesbos give anybody a cousin? Kidnapping?
>How the frick would a pair of lesbos give anybody a cousin?
Kidnapping or sperm donor.
Adoption or sperm donor.
ATLA's universe wouldn't have the tech for in-vitro pregnancies. Any potential father would have to do the deed himself and I can't imagine he'd just be willing to give up his child to be raised by a former psychopath. Unless you wanna make things even more awkward by having a waterbender bend the sperm into the mother's womb
>ATLA's universe wouldn't have the tech for in-vitro pregnancies. Any potential father would have to do the deed himself and I can't imagine he'd just be willing to give up his child to be raised by a former psychopath.
The Fire Foursome ship solves this problem.
Do the fire girls ever breastfeed another one's child as a baby?
>Do the fire girls ever breastfeed another one's child as a baby?
No, because they space out the babies, with Mai always going first.
>Unless you wanna make things even more awkward by having a waterbender bend the sperm into the mother's womb.
Man that final agni kai fight sure did end up differently than I remembered.
Sperm donor.
Alternatively Ty Lee doesn't understand how babies are made and Azula is shocked.
I think you forgetting something very useful: the freaking Avatar is the niece's dad best friend.I'm so with him in the world of spirits they can find a way or one of them might have a dick.
The spirits can't do that
>She's crazy and needs to go down.
>She's crazy and needs to go down.
>No, Zuko, not like that!
>She's crazy and needs to go down.
>No, Zuko, not like that!
>You should have fricked her!
>Azula no!
>Azula YES!
AU where Ty lee is 45 years old with a big clit and she forces you to suck it and call her mommy.
I think entering this thread because I liked Ty Lee was a mistake.
Same fellow Ty Lee bro
>They covered up her midriff in the live action version
Never forget what netflix took from you.
>Never forget what netflix took from you.
Ty Lee's IRL actress is a real teenage. They probably took away the exposed midriff to stop people from sexualizing her further.
did people just forget that containment boards exist?
>>>/u/ and I don't mean this maliciously, old internet wasn't so hostile because everyone knew how to stick to their own corner
>Cinemaphile: If you want to talk about lesbian cartoons, just go to /u/
>/u/: If you want to talk about lesbian cartoons, just go to Cinemaphile
These are crossboard topics, both boards are acceptable as long as the general rules for each board are followed, which this topic does for Cinemaphile.
Yurishitters have Korrasami, why do they want more?
Yurishippers are just as horny for Azula as everyone else is.
If you are not sexless in regards to your media, you have to age up human characters in the fanart, because nobody makes appealing animation for twenty-somethings and up other than japan.
It's almost like you just HAVE to be a furry, exclusively.
Zuko/toph is top shelf
>Zuko/toph is top shelf
To be quite honest, I don't see the chemistry there.
I am a desperate yurifiend and I love Azula but the Ty Lee ship never really worked for me. It feels like it's the chosen yuri ship for Azula basically by default. She has absolutely no chemistry or connection to any of the other female cast and so by virtue of having, like, exchanged more than one line of dialogue with her, Ty Lee is the one who gets slotted in. No spark there even with my most powerful yuri goggles on. Ty Lee is nice to Azula in the same way she's nice to everybody, and Azula never shows any more of a soft spot for her than she does Mei (which is basically none). Yes she's torn up by the betrayal, but it doesn't feel personal. It's a "how dare someone do this to me" not a "how dare YOU do this to me".
Unironically the best ship by those metrics is Zuko.
You are right though. I like the ship but that's mostly due to fan stuff. In the show itself the only relationship that really shines for Azula is with Zuko. With her mom but Ursa's a non character in the show and the comics suck in my opinion, so there we are.
This is the result of a taboo of not being able to portray guys being rough with girls in cartoons. So then girls are the only ones that can rough and tumble with them like a boyfriend would. Thank you for listening my TED talk.
Azula was set on killing Mei in the Boiling.
Azula expressed no desire to kill Ty lee.
>tyzula
That's a ship for babies.
Now here's a ship with some chest hair
Not that bad aesthetically/conceptually actually.
There's obviously next to nothing in canon to directly support it but like...
It works.
We know chicks dig Sokka, he comes from the closest thing southern water tribe has to nobility, he's from a bloodline that produces powerful benders, he's both physically capable and militarily competent-all things that likely would appeal to Azula.
Sokka isn’t physically capable at all. He loses every fight he’s ever in with anybody besides faceless mooks.
I mean, he did kill sparky sparky boom boom man. And he dueled the foremost swordmaster in all the lands and walked away with all his limbs and a modicum of respect from said sword master. Sure, Sokka's not Chad Thunderwiener, he of a thousand gains. But he's not exactly a puddle of goo, either.
Question is...who tops?
Azula is a bottom trying to be a top.
So Azula initially, then Sokka later.
>We know chicks dig Sokka
No they don't.
>Yue was willing to ignore her arranged marriage for him
>Ty Lee thought he was cute
>Toph kissed Suki thinking she was him
>Suki and he fricked in that little tent
This is all literally from the show
I thought you meant irl chicks.
Nevertheless, all of your greentext is due to the fact Sokka is a selfinsert. Not because there is anything appealing about him.
>Funny
>Cares about his family
>Willing to learn from his mistakes
>Smart but not nerdy
Let me guess, you hate Beastboy too
Sauce?
Artcraawl
Let me guess you are brown.
Yeah
Oh no I think I am into this.
Pic related is the ship for real men.
I still prefer Sokka/Suki or Sokka/Ty Lee
Bending Ty Lee into shapes there's no name for and pumping kids into her sopping pussy while she invents new positions that would make the Kama Sutra blush
Swap Azula with Zuko
(the irony of me derailing this thread is that usually I am in fact super into the toxic yuri ships)
sokka/azula ship is carried by that artist, I prefer this
It would be much better if Aang was learning to be not such much of a gigantic pussy, rather than Azula abandoning her heritage.
It's a mutual evolution towards a middle ground.
i think people only want aang to energy bend azula into submission if you catch my bend
Admittedly I didn't think about this ship at all till I saw this artist and...they make a compelling case
>there's more than one decent quality fanart for this ship
I didn'expect this.
Sokka's collarbones drive me nuts. But also he belongs with Zuko