I'm honestly co fused. I was promised Gam of Thrones levels of Wincest and Sokka didn't kiss his sister on the mouth ONCE! If they aren't fuvking every night what's even the point?
watched the first episode, i dont know, its just kind of lame, looks a little cheap, acting is kinda bad. dont think i care enough to watch the rest, its kind of lame
this. I was barely a teenager when the og came out and I already thought it was corny/lame. can't believe it's as beloved as it is despite such a simplistic take on a great universe
>simplistic take
Simple takes can be interesting. >Aang's motivation: he ran away, he feels guilt, he is still child like but has grave responsibility.
Simple but works on many levels, is very communicable and can be understood. >You have episodes that are often self contained morality tales while also having a wide story.
I think a good example is Star Wars. The Original Trilogy is simple but also beloved as frick. While the Sequel trilogy is shit on because it thought it was more "clever" and not simple.
The reason why SW is a good comparison is because The Legend of Korra subverted expectations before The Last Jedi did. >How are non benders treated in society? Doesn't matter because Amon is an evil blood bender looking for revenge.
This to me is the epitome of "we don't want to be simple". They tried to avoid it being simple but the subverting expectations and twists managed to avoid decent character arcs. While simple ATLA stories worked. I find that modern creatives don't understand what makes simple good. I understand every character in The Last Airbender. Their motives can still be interesting while it is still simple.
>subverted expectations
I swear this expression is like a red flag that a person is a judgemental butthole who spends their lives nitpicking things from their basements all day.
Nothing I said was nitpicking or being a judgemental butthole? I believe that subverting expectations as a creative choice has increasingly happened because creatives find it difficult to interact with an online audience. If you are writing a series and interacting with specific bubbles of fans you'll end up wanting to please certain people. And sometimes people will guess where you're heading because you're naturally building an arc. A cheap way to garner surprise and online chatter is to shatter that. To do the unexpected. But that also can damage the arcs you were building towards.
Look at the example I gave of Korra. Exploring how non-benders are treated in society would make for an interesting and deep plot. But all that plot is quickly abandoned and doesn't matter. The story is cheapened by it. I am not using the expression as a cheap thing or an attack as part of the culture wars. I am simply saying that it is something that people increasingly use because they think it is better than building a simple character arc.
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Anonymous
The notion of having events take place that take a story in an unexpected direction has nothing to do with creatives interacting with an online audience, and basically every single story that has ever been told has some variation of it.
It's a bullshit, empty expression clearly always used by people as a code for "I didn't like what happened".
3 months ago
Anonymous
>has nothing to do with creatives interacting with an online audience
The Legend of Korra specifically had it as part of interacting with an online audience. The romance aspect of the show was especially engineered to interact with this audience and certainly changed depending on these interactions. >It's a bullshit, empty expression clearly always used by people as a code for "I didn't like what happened".
People can certainly decide to take a story in a complete different direction for shock value. You seem to be acting as if it concretely can never happen? I don't see why you're being so absolutist about this.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>in an unexpected direction
Some unexpected directions are narratively bankrupt and that is what people mean by subverting expectations. When a unexpected direction has no real value to the story and feels like it was done for the sake of it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah bro, you tell 'em! There's nothin' wrong with subvertin' expectations, bro. Gotta swerve the audience and keep 'em on their toes, bro.
Just finished the first episode. It's such garbage that I feel like it perfectly captures why Hollywood sucks so much now. We've gotten to the point where technology is so advanced that studios rely on it to cover up the fact that literally everything else is as amateurish as it can possibly be. The dialogue is terrible. The acting is awful. At one point Aang literally stares at the camera and explains who his character is. The changes are moronic. The characters are emotionless. And for the love of fricking god STOP EXPLAINING EVERYTHING. Audiences do not need to understand literally everything about a fantasy world within the first five minutes.
Wait, Zuko learns about the fire lord and Azula's bullshit this early on? Doesn't Ozai decide to use Azula once he confirms that Zuko is a complete and total frick up, and sends her off to get rid of him and Iroh?
The whole catalyst for Zuko and Iroh becoming refugees in the Earth Kingdom?
What the hell happens instead?
i'm more curious about what you think happened in the original series if you think that was why they were on the run or that zuko wasn't already well aware that his dad and sister were a problem.
It has been nearly a decade since these things started getting predictable. >reboot of old thing announced >producers wish to change thing >mutated ugly version of thing is made >nobody watches remake, but waves of articles praising it rise and fall over 2 weeks >ugly reboot ends, is forgotten >only ever mentioned again as reminder of how bad it was
I can think of 15, maybe 20 instances of this in recent years. When a remake/reboot is announced, I just skip forward to the end in my head and move on before principal photography even starts.
Avatar but instead of Chinese/east Asian setting with the Classical Elements, it's European setting with Chinese elements. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17zZr3TgUDEnGg9lzu2Qp00U7dhWsxO91aVT2be9uB-8/edit
Avatar is too tied into eastern mysticism for that to work
Avatar but instead of Chinese/east Asian setting with the Classical Elements, it's European setting with Chinese elements. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17zZr3TgUDEnGg9lzu2Qp00U7dhWsxO91aVT2be9uB-8/edit
I'd say he's wrong in that asian mysticism and buddhist philosophy is a big part of the series and I think it would be a lot different if you tried to swap all of that out with Greek philosophy or humanism or Christian mysticism or whatever.
It is a great lie that western and eastern philosophy are opposed, there is plenty of shared ground between them. Off the top of my head you could easily make the Guru and the lessons he teaches as being a form of stoicism with his focus on self acceptance and control, and rejection of strong passionate emotions for instead a focus on greater duty. And Aang's inability to forsake his love of Katara still works thematically and as a common critique of said philosophy, that fundamentally we are emotional beings.
Everything about bending and the spirit world is ripped straight from asian mysticism. The very concept of an avatar comes from Hinduism and the idea of them embodying balance is very much a taoist principle not featured much in western religion.
I'd say he's wrong in that asian mysticism and buddhist philosophy is a big part of the series and I think it would be a lot different if you tried to swap all of that out with Greek philosophy or humanism or Christian mysticism or whatever.
There's nothing mystical about stoicism, it's a school of philosophy.
>It has been nearly a decade since these things started getting predictable.
The creative climate is something like this: >Too many people are college educated and think they can do better than pop culture thing. >But none of them can write the Great American Novel or actual deep media. >All end up in pop culture products via nepotism, cronyism or something similar. >They either like but don't understand or hate and want to change the pop culture thing. >Constantly crave adding "depth" aka their moronic ideas over stories they view as "simple". >They fundamentally misunderstand what makes simple storytelling good and don't realise that their attempts at "depth" are not deep but actively ruin projects. >Perpetually online so they exist in the same social media bubbles. >They read a bunch of fandom shit for advice. >Fandoms who are perpetually online and constantly repeat the same criticisms. >Fandoms who routinely have the worst takes. >Their attempts at adapting thing ends up feeling like fanfic because they try and fix these complaints. >It is the equivalent of someone with no knowledge of plumbing thinking that plumbing is beneath them and taking advice on how to do plumbing from a down syndrome kid who makes pipes out of Lego. >While a real plumber knows how to do things rather simply.
Pretty funny how this show was hyped up for so long but all it took was ONE interview to completely destroy the hype. Avatar has an extremely obnoxious fanbase that defends it to death - I was expecting a very long time for criticism of it to become normal, like how the Netflix Witcher fans were in total denial of any criticisms until after Cavill left. But now the show is a hot mess on arrival. How do you frick up so badly?
>pointless plot changes that make the world make less sense >altering character motivation for the sake of making the characters more politically correct and boring (removing sokka's sexism, making katara no longer a love interest, aang is no longer fun loving and childish, etc) >removing subtlety because the general audience who consumes goyslop won't understand "show don't tell" >try to fit in a bunch of pointless action scenes so you have to squeeze all of the plot into boring exposition dumps >do all of this while also having a terrible cast who can't act and mediocre looking effects and greenscreens that take you out of the story
because it didn't happen
in the last episode she literally tells aang 'I need you' to calm him out of avatar state
you could argue they toned down the romance vibes though, because at the end of the day a 16 year old flirting with a 12 year old just looks sus on screen
>you could argue they toned down the romance vibes though, because at the end of the day a 16 year old flirting with a 12 year old just looks sus on screen
Why are americans so moronic?
It tells more about how modern fandom today just wants any excuse to start b***hing. Everything has to be about hating stuff now rather than enjoying it.
>it's not that the quality of storytelling or production has overall decreased due to cost-cutting, outsourcing, multiple generations of nepotism, and the death of merit-based hiring >fans just decided to hate everything one day and we all went along with it
Motherfricker, people flipped on a switched and decided to the the show over an interview that made entirely reasonable points about how some changes were necessary because the cast are meant to be kids and multiple seasons long show production schedules can’t exactly handle making everything take place within a single year when it takes years to make anything because the actors clearly age during that time.
>people flipped on a switch
I saw plenty of apprehension and naysayers before that interview came out. I don't know how people outside Cinemaphile reacted, but it sounds like they just caught up to the ones who saw the warning signs earlier.
It's got good visuals and less bad actors than the movie, but it makes a lot of baffling changes that destroy certain characters from the original or dilute their themes >Iroh defends the war >Katara wants to be a warrior >Kyoshi replaces Roku
I could barely finish the first episode. It's shit and not a replacement for the original series.
>Iroh defends the war
he does this in the original too, he was always pro fire nation but started changing when he lost his son. he doesn't truly appreciate the world until he enters bah sing se. the internal struggle between his goals and his conscious are what makes him so interesting in s1, he's willing to do bad things because he wants to be there for his nephew and still respects the fire nation. he drew the line with killing the dragons and stepping down as general, but it took him time to truly respect the rest of the world. >Katara wants to be a warrior
this is true in its own way in the cartoon. she wants to learn how to use her waterbending to fight, not just to heal. she doesn't want to be a damsel, and knows she's capable of being a powerful bender. making her literally want to be a warrior is moronic though. >Kyoshi replaces Roku
wait is this true
Iroh wasn’t perfect, he was still having character development. His character arc was alongside Zuko’s. It’s very underrated but ignored because zoomer avatar gays sperg out over iroh not being perfect and in general ignore a lot of season one and two.
it's weird that people forget this at all but i'm guessing it's just a lack of media literacy.
there are people defending this netflix show who don't even understand that zuko and iroh cutting their knots off was symbolic of them removing themselves from the royal family and the fire nation as a whole.
can't wait for them to talk over this entire scene with pointless exposition just in case the audience doesn't get it.
I’d be surprised if that scene is even still adapted. A lot of the shows best writing was done by Aaron Ehaosz and his wife. Bryke definitely can’t write anything like that, and the Netflix show doesn’t even have Bryke. I imagine a lot of these subtle but kino moments will be completely ignored by writers who have no idea of their meaning or purpose.
I didn't like him in the cartoon and like him way less in this
>>Iroh defends the war
No he doesn't. It's subtle, but everything he says is reporting what others believe, not himself. It's good writing if it gave you that impression though.
wants to be a warrior
Not exactly sure what you mean. Cartoon katara wants to learn to waterbend in a fighting capacity, not just healing. So she wants to be a warrior in that sense.
replaces Roku
Makes a lot of sense given that they go to kyoshi island first, especially if you're going to insert some avatar lore and interactions. If you mean it sucks that she is the one to give Aang his 'mission' for the season, then I think I agree, since it makes the sidetracking a bit ridiculous when they know their main mission so early. They keep having to do that thing where they say "I know I should be doing <big important thing>, but actually <small thing> is important too!".
>Cinemaphile defends this slop
It's almost comedic how readily you trannies gobble up this corporate goyslop
>he doesn't truly appreciate the world until he enters bah sing se. the internal struggle between his goals and his conscious are what makes him so interesting in s1, he's willing to do bad things because he wants to be there for his nephew and still respects the fire nation. he drew the line with killing the dragons and stepping down as general, but it took him time to truly respect the rest of the world.
Iroh was a member of the White Lotus before S1.
> she wants to learn how to use her waterbending to fight, not just to heal.
thats not remotely comparable to the actual situation here. she wanted to learn waterbending from the start because its part of her culture, not because she wanted to be a warrior.
>>Iroh defends the war
No he doesn't. It's subtle, but everything he says is reporting what others believe, not himself. It's good writing if it gave you that impression though.
wants to be a warrior
Not exactly sure what you mean. Cartoon katara wants to learn to waterbend in a fighting capacity, not just healing. So she wants to be a warrior in that sense.
replaces Roku
Makes a lot of sense given that they go to kyoshi island first, especially if you're going to insert some avatar lore and interactions. If you mean it sucks that she is the one to give Aang his 'mission' for the season, then I think I agree, since it makes the sidetracking a bit ridiculous when they know their main mission so early. They keep having to do that thing where they say "I know I should be doing <big important thing>, but actually <small thing> is important too!".
Eh I had low expectations and it was slightly better than I thought it would be as of ep 1. Still 6.5/10.
Things like set design and particle effects are pretty nice. I like Aang and Zuko more than I expected to. Appa looks great.
But I hate the tell-don't-show script and poor Aang has to deal with the worst of it with lines like I AM CURRENTLY SCARED and I LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU DEFENDED ME or not far off. And Sokka is so ridiculously unlikeable
No, they basically washed their hands of this entire affair fairly early into pre-production because of changes Netflix were trying to force onto them.
I'd kill myself if this happens. I'm not expecting some of the fetishbait shots we got in the cartoon but jesus christ imagine if she's an uggo all over.
There's no way they're not going to make her into some buff dyke which takes away from her entire character's purpose.
I'd kill myself if this happens. I'm not expecting some of the fetishbait shots we got in the cartoon but jesus christ imagine if she's an uggo all over.
There's no way they're not going to make her into some buff dyke which takes away from her entire character's purpose.
You have nothing to be worried about all. She won't be barefoot whatsoever.
She needs to be a buff, 7 foot tall man that sounds like Macho Man Randy Savage. At the very least it'll be a funny callback to the Ember Island Players.
Holy shit dude who the frick cares if they let black people play white characters then the swarthiest looking white man in America should be allowed to play native Americans.
Kyoshi is great.
But she would not be a mentor to Aang. Kyoshi, after years of development through official canon novels, is a character who is very much beyond the concept of grooming someone to be the perfect Avatar. She was over the idea of mentors telling you what path to follow. Hell, everything about Korra's upbringing was the exact shit that ruined Kyoshi's life for awhile.
In short, she is not mentor character. She is a character who realized actions beat words
Also Kyoshi's legacy is the Dai Li, arguably bar Sozin the worst legacy of any avatar considering they basically destroyed the Earth Kingdom and handed the Fire Nation the war, then helped the Earth King's successor with her tyranny.
>no penguin sledding >no aang riding that giant serpent on kioshi island >no aang playing airball with sokka >katara isn't jelly about aang being better at waterbending than her since sinces she's already so good >Bumi is genuinly frustrated and wants aang to fricking kill him when they're fighting rather than it being a tough but good reunion >Omashu, jet, and the fake airbenders are all in the same episode
So many wtf
decisions
I'm not watching it. I don't care what anyone says, I'm not even willing to hate watch this. Not even pirate it. This, as far as I'm concerned, does not exist.
Avatar should have ended at the end of Book 3.
It's better than the Shyalamalek movie and the source material saves a few scenes by virtue of being copied here but it doesn't cut it. It all just doesn't cut it by any margin.
Nah, the Legend of Korra is good (not perfect and kind of stupid some times, but still over all good). It gets over hated because it's not as good as ATLA.
>doesn't like short hair Korra
What the frick? Korra ruined women for me because I was like 13 when I watched the show and it gave me unrealistic expectations of coolness for actual girls to live up to
She looked like she fit in the setting in S1 and 2. The haircut and outfit change made her look like a cosplayer in her own show because it's a modern hairstyle in a non-modern setting. The outfit also deemphasized her breasts.
Only good for her body, what a disappointing character that I was really looking forward to. Though ultimately she'd be better perceived by just about everyone had the writers stopped shitting on her so much.
Toph does not look at the camera she does not look at things, you poor pleb, you didn't think of that. Your AI picture is awful and i don't see why you'd keep it.
Even commissioned artists never seem to connect that dot regarding Toph's gaze.
Toph does not look at the camera she does not look at things, you poor pleb, you didn't think of that. Your AI picture is awful and i don't see why you'd keep it.
Even commissioned artists never seem to connect that dot regarding Toph's gaze.
>Why bring Azula in so early?
Because unlike cartoons, people age.
There's only so much time you have when you want to portray your actors as children. It'll be hard to portray Aang as a 12-13 year old when he's walking around with a 5 o'clock shadow.
Eventually TLOK haters will grow up and realize they were being silly and got swept up in a hate bandwagon, just like the prequel haters. Korra was the last good western cartoon show.
I started rewatching LoK recently and am currently near the end of book 2.
LoK's writing suffers from a lot of what Netflix ATLA has, where since the story feels like it has to go from plot beat to plot beat quickly and they hand-wave explain things in a line.
For example, in book 1, we're supposed to believe Korra, Mako, and Bolin are super close by book 5, so they say "wow it's been months since I met you guys and we've already done so much together".
Korra makes more sense when you realize that every season was written like it’d be the last one. They didn’t think they would get to continue it so there is no continuity or greater plan for the series.
That's why it starts going to shit by episode 4 of the first season, because it was supposed to be one season but the poor writers were dealt a bad hand.
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Anonymous
Oh don't get me wrong, Season 1 had a lot of shittiness. >the love triangle shit >pro bending taking up way too much time >bloodbending power creep
and more
The first season was as good as ATLA and if they stopped there it would eventually be acknowledged as a worthy sequel.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes ATLA tier dialogue right there, the same level of quality. So interesting, totally fantastic, between watching an atla scene and watching this i just can't pick what i'd prefer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What's wrong with it?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's the lamest form drama can take
Okay, it's the ember island player play but played straight. Get it?
Are you a teenage girl?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again. What's wrong with it?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Petty catfights between dramaqueens doesn't rhyme with the last airbender, neither does hormone fueled love triang..rectangles yet the bulk of our cast's interactions in the first season revolves around who's got the feels for whom like it's fricking Glee. I see what you're pulling, we're been over this for the last 10 years anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The original cast were young kids in their early teens and the show had very innocent depiction of romance appropriate of their age. TLOK cast are in their late teens in the first season, old enough to frick. It's a completely different dynamic. >I see what you're pulling, we're been over this for the last 10 years anon.
Yes, it always comes down to TLOK not being copypasted ATLA.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Since they're teenagers they ought to act insufferable towards each other, it's THE dynamic of young adults and the cartoon simply had to feature a lot of that. I love watching thaaaaat.
It comes down to your god forsaken tastes in entertainment.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say they were insufferable or describe them as such. That's your take you keep reinforcing without making any convincing argument for why that's actually the case. I do appreciate the irony of complaining about insufferable characters while posting one of the most insufferable gifs ever and typing like an insufferable c**t. >It comes down to your god forsaken tastes in entertainment.
Sure. It's about taste, and you have none because you're an NPC who conforms to the masses.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Season 1 was still bad, the love triangle (or rhombus technically) was CW-tier, pro-bending was a waste of spectacle, and Amon was a villain that completely neutered his own potential. Also the biggest sin the series did was moving the timeline so drastically in such a short time-frame, making it incredibly difficult for any sort of sequel series.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We're back to >it's bad because I say so
3 months ago
Anonymous
At least I provide an argument for how it's bad rather than just saying "thing people think is bad? it good actually" like a textbook Cinemaphilentrarian.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You don't make any argument. You just say it's bad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>this is good >it's actually bad because x, y, and z
three points, do you lack reading comprehension?
To be fair, it was originally just going to be a one-season series, but then Nickelodeon greenlit a second season, and then two more after that.
That's why it starts going to shit by episode 4 of the first season, because it was supposed to be one season but the poor writers were dealt a bad hand.
Literally NONE of this is true. Bryke admitted that they were greenlit three additional seasons halfway through the development of season 1, which is exactly what TLA went through. There's no excuse for Korra being as shit as it is.
>For example, in book 1, we're supposed to believe Korra, Mako, and Bolin are super close by book 5, so they say "wow it's been months since I met you guys and we've already done so much together".
I don't get your example. Can you use another one?
The Krew fricking suck, Asami being barely a character, Bolin being borderline moronic and cracks a joke while his friend is dying in front of him and Mako is fricking Mako, but I think Korra and Tenzin have good arcs.
Completely different circumstances. I will say that Korra largely suffered because it added a bunch of shit that contradicts the pre-established world, which were also worse ideas in of themselves. The Prequels did not contradict anything in the OT, despite plebs' confusion regarding midichlorians. Perhaps the only similarity is arguably a greater mystic-feeling in ATLA/OT versus Korra/Prequels, but other than that it's different.
Ignoring the uncanny valley way it looks in movement the design is bad. Those tiny wings are unconvincing.
They also literally gave him chimpanzee noises, generic, free on the internet , chimp noises instead of the cartoon's chirps he always had.
I really feel like if they just went to a shitty rundown reservation in Canada they would have found better people who look exactly like sokka and katara. Maybe those injuns can't act but who knows. Maybe in the future when the 3rd live action adaptation happens they'll actually get people who look like the characters
Hollywood is all about networking/nepotism. All the claims of "racial diversity" was just a means for a different cliche to usurp its rival, not to actually give anyone a chance. Just look at how the GoT dwarf actor pulled up the ladder after becoming rich. He didn't care about 'little people', just himself.
I don’t know if you’ve ever visited a rez but they are full of fat people and uggos with drug and alcohol problems. The issue is injuns just are not good looking
Never visited one but I did see them growing up and in high school. Tournaments of basketball and volleyball, some poor school from a reservation from who knows where would be in the roster. I thought they looked alright. Don't know if it's just because they were the young athletic ones though. It was probably that
>tournaments of basketball and volleyball
You saw the top 1% of res youth. Most of the ones you met probably aren't doing so hot today either. Aside from everyone being overweight, they're not innately bad looking. But the culture is fricked and after a certain age, it's hard to find anyone who's thin but not on stimulants. Maybe it's different in the northern territories, but I doubt it. Shit sucks.
t. leaf who lives next to a res
Perfect castings like RDJ as Iron Man are rare. Usually they ultimately have to make concessions. Like yeah there are darker skinned natives out there but how many of them are actual actors?
One thing being bad doesn't stop another thing from also being bad. Avatar has produced nothing of worth since the end of the original series and even then ATLA has one of the shittiest endings I've ever seen.
>revisionism is so insane and people are so contrarian they will literally pretend like some old turd has SOVL or is a cult classic just because new thing bad
I once compared the Wan First Avatar Arc in Korra to Midichlorians in the prequel films and the thread devolved into prequel fans getting super mad and shitting up a Korra thread.
I'm not going to lie and say his version was better. But at least with Shyamalan I was experiencing some actual emotion, even if it was mainly just outrage and confusion. It was a legendarily bad film, the butt of jokes for decades now. With this new show I feel absolutely nothing. A complete numbness. It's just lukewarm slop, not even worth getting upset about, that will be completely forgotten in a few weeks. Netflix's Avatar might be better on a technical level, but Shyamalan's will prove to be far more memorable.
>Shyamalan's will prove to be far more memorable
No it won’t. And even if it is, it’ll be in a bad way, let’s not act like that’ll be something to celebrate about it
Jesus frick she is so ugly. Her head is a fricking cube dude. Surely they could have found someone better to play her. You can't tell me in any universe that zuko dates that thing
>Sokka and Katara go into the tunnel of love instead
What the frick are they doing
I've only watched the first couple of episodes and it's a mixed bag so far. I like most of the actors. Iroh is really good. The sets and fight scenes look way better than the Shyamalan movie. Zuko's scar is downplayed - it should really look more ugly and more gnarly. They tried to pretty him up too much. There are some minor story changes. When Aang sees the devastation at the air temple, he goes into the Avatar state. In the animated version, Katara is the one who brings him out of it. In the live action, he brings himself out of it. It's small, but it's a missed opportunity to show how much their connection means to him. In Suki's village, the training montage between Sokka and Suki is more romantic. Avatar Kyoshi has a bigger role. They bring Azula in a lot sooner. The animated version is still a lot better but so far, I don't hate this.
Are they setting up for Zutara? They seem to be purposely omitting or downplaying a lot of Katara's interactions with Aang (the Cave of Two Lovers, the Fortune Teller, etc.
>can't actually deliver a product interesting enough on its own >decide to reignite a bunch of millennials childhood shipping arguments for engagement instead
I could believe it
did they add any Zuko/Katara interactions? I can't think of any but that would probably be a good indicator, the rest could be chalked up to just cutting stuff and combining episodes where they could.
>downplaying a lot of Katara's interactions with Aang
when the actor playing Aang is a literal child, they're bound to downplay it to avoid grossing viewers out
it works ok in a cartoon, but not in live action with literal children playing the roles.
There's only a three year age difference between the actors of Aang (14) and Katara.(17) Nearly the same different between the actual characters in the cartoon.
>but for now its weird
Your grandparents probably married at 14 and 17. That age gap is not weird, it's absolutely common. Not even 15 and 18 is weird, if the two people are already familiar with each other. An 18 year old doesn't turn into a pedo just because they turned 18 and their underage girlfriend is still underage
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Your grandparents probably married at 14 and 17.
its 2024, when the frick do you think my grandparents were born, the 19th century?
Why the frick are they showing Book 2 and Book 3 shit this early?
One of Avatar's greatest strengths is that they were gradual with the world building simce it fits the episodic nature
Modern producers treating episodic shows as long movies is never the right call
They want to get all the cartoon shit out of the way as quickly as possible. Director said they want to focus on a more serious, original story inspired by game of thrones
>Why the frick are they showing Book 2 and Book 3 shit this early?
They are frontloading iconic stuff in order to cash in those memberberries. Problem is, those things became iconic because of the buildup and the pacing.
It honestly feels like nobody knows how to light and shoot scenes anymore. How many scenes are there in this series where it's all dimly lit and the characters are barey audible because they're all quiet talking because that's how you show you're a grown up and serious TV show?
They film on these 270degree stages built for making practically all the background CGI. So of course none of it is lit properly. And they end up making it too dark in post.
look cheap and bad.
HOLY FRICK WHY DOES EVERYTHING DO THIS.
Viggo Mortensen wore his Aragorn clothes on hikes and repaired holes himself to give his costume realism. Nowadays every single costume looks brand fricking new. Every modern show does this.
Zuko's actor carried.
Ozai and Iroh barely in it, but were ok.
Sokka was alright half the time.
Azula was a basic b***h, fricking disgrace.
Rest fricking sucked.
Honestly I don't think any of the actors are bad, the writing just fricking sucks and doesn't allow for the characters to actually have fun together. Instead they just have the characters just tell you their traits. But yes, Zuko's actor stole the show.
I find it hard to hate any of them as well even if they can't act to save their hides. The length of the scenes just doesn't allow for discussions to take place. I can only imaging what the shooting process was like, short scenes, come on set say the line, boom set up next scene. They must have felt disconnected from the greater picture of the project, the scenes are so short and shortsighted, camera close, small sets.
>they can't act to save their hides
maybe I dont think they're that bad since I watched the Percy Jackson show before this. The acting in that show is terribly monotone
Honestly I don't think any of the actors are bad, the writing just fricking sucks and doesn't allow for the characters to actually have fun together. Instead they just have the characters just tell you their traits. But yes, Zuko's actor stole the show.
Zuko and Iroh hard carried it in my opinion. Almost their every exchange especially Iroh's actor would have a quick glance or unique expression that tells you everything what he really thinks. Especially loved how he genuinely raised an eyebrow when Zuko said Ozai wouldn't stoop to wanton terrorism in war. It's especially funny because Zuko was actually right in Omashu's case, it was Jet and freedom fighters doing the bombings in NATLA, it's just that Iroh would doubt that regardless of context.
I don't really like e-girls very much, I find them gross most of the time, I just really liked Toph specifically.
Smol spunky tomboy who pretends she's a total hardass but will melt when shown love and compassion?
That's like everything I want in a girl right there.
The dialogue is horrible. I don't know how they made it worse than a children's cartoon. Aang having to spell out his motivational for running away out loud has got to be the most hamfisted scene I've seen in a while
I honestly believe it. There is literally no one else their age in the village. No old men for katara because they all went to war, and no other women for sokka
Get over yourself, it was better than a lot of other stuff on Nickelodeon but it was always a network cartoon show designed to be watched in self contained 22 minute segments primarily catered towards children.
It didn't invent anything it was doing, any animation they were doing was being done in anime for years and the story was basically Star Wars with more overt Asian influences. There's nothing legendary about it.
You didn’t refute anything that anon said though. You’re just stating your personal opinion on the show.
The most distinct feature of Avatar is its Asian aesthetics and being fairly unique in western animation in terms of being a martial arts show with bending making it pop out.
>There aren't many animated shows in the west available that feel like a grand adventure ala King Arthur's quest or Lord of the Rings my man.
zoom zoom zoom >It's usually episodic crap that can be watched out of order to extreme levels.
You literally just described Book One
I consume novels, have read a ton, and Avatar is amazing to this day. You just have something wrong with you that prevents you from enjoying it.
That anon is kind of right. The show was good but the writing was not 10/10 or spectacular like you pretend. Also reading novels means nothing when most novels are badly written. You could be reading YA for all we know. I will say there are fantasy books that have characters with so much more depth and those fantasy books are pretty standard genre fiction. Atla is beloved because it comes from a medium where writing is not a priority.
No, Oda cooked and made the live-action version go hard, blowing everyone away.
Netflix had total control over this and they should NEVER be allowed to cook.
The makers of the one piece live action are genuine fans, and not the weird fans who get control of a project and slam pointless cameos/references all over the place because they want to basedjak constantly. You know, the fans who go "guys, we really can't frick this up."
It's the spectrum of adaptions. "We hate/don't care about the source material" "We respect the source material" and "We're deranged psychopaths about the material". One piece managed to get the middle ground, this got the first option, and from what I understand that five nights at freddy's movie got the third"
>You little peasant. You've found a master, haven't you?
The ONE fricking kino line they actually bring over directly and it doesn't make sense. Pakku didn't teach Katara at all, he only barely let her participate in the battle. This fricking dumpster fire.
This, though to be fair, it didn't make too much sense in the original show either. But having to go on a ship cruise with prince and Iroh is a surefire way to never be sent to the frontlines and other meatgrinders. Sure, a guy who is genuinely ambitious about military career would have problems, but you can sign me the frick up honestly. And I am sure fire nation due to years of war had to have compulsory military service for men.
For frick's sake. Zhao was a great antagonist on his own. Frick them for ruining him just to wank Azula. This is the reason introducing her early was a bad idea: you have to justify it by giving her undue influence/presence in early events.
You see Aang fly alone, by himself like Superman within the first 10 mins of the show without his glider. That was your biggest warning sign right there.
Maybe it's been a while since i saw the show, and we all know the toon show is a masterpiece, one of the best series ever made in last 20 years.
So it's hard to compare.
But i think the new series is good enough.
And i sort of wonder if people would hate/be hard on this new series no matter what they did or how good it was?
>And i sort of wonder if people would hate/be hard on this new series no matter what they did or how good it was?
This is absolutely the case. A lot of it is 'mah childhood' b***hing disguised as crit.
>This is absolutely the case. A lot of it is 'mah childhood' b***hing disguised as crit.
Adapting beloved properties is always a double-edged sword because you're relying on nostalgia in the first place to put butts in seats. Netflix chose to gamble on delivering a product that would evoke fond memories and turn a profit off the AtLA fandom's warmth toward a childhood favourite. If they failed to tap into that warmth and there's more to dislike than love, don't blame the cartoon's fans for b***hing about it.
As long as it’s entertaining, that’s enough. And it is entertaining. I don’t hold Avatar as some holy relic. It was just a fun cartoon almost twenty years ago.
No. Good enough for what? If the cartoon is a "masterpiece" to you, then what purpose does a mediocre live action adaptation serve? Of course fans of a superior product will criticize an inferior adaptation. Why settle? It didn't need to be made at all, especially if it doesn't improve on anything.
If you are fundamentally opposed to an adaptation even being made why do you feel the need to whine about it endlessly? Just don’t watch it and move on with your life. A mature person would just say “I am not interested” and move on. An immature person just keeps whining about it endlessly and act like it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened to them.
If someone does something stupid and no one criticizes them, then they won't learn anything. Sure, there's only so much weight that criticisms on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum can carry, but if you're worried about the futility of voicing your opinions here, then why come here in the first place?
>If you are fundamentally opposed to an adaptation even being made
That's a hell of a leap. Adaptations can be worth making. I'm still a little sorry the Shamalama films were a bust. However, as a rule of thumb, a good adaptation should be of equal or greater quality or be in medium distinct from the original. So far, this adaptation only offers #2 by your own admission. But this isn't like adapting book to screen or vice versa. AtLA already existed as an episodic TV show. So what does live action in particular bring to the table versus the cartoon? An adaptation can also give a substantially different version of the narrative, but that's value neutral since there's no guarantee that version will be "good" in comparison to the original.
I notice you didn't answer what it was good enough for. That was a sincere question and I'm curious about your answer.
>So what does live action in particular bring to the table versus the cartoon?
It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise, etc.
It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise
Lol. Lmao even.
>It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise, etc.
lmao no it most certainly does not. It WANTS to be more serious than the cartoon but it somehow manages to be less nuanced and more tell don't show than the original children's show. It does the opposite of fleshing out as well because they literally excise a lot of the side stories and detours that do that serve that very purpose. They also fricked up the pacing by lacking restraint and wanting to introduce all the big name moments/characters, it completely neuters any sense of build up.
Adaptations are always challenged by the comparison to the source material. That's just the nature of the beast. When it's an adaptation of a book or comic, then just having motion visuals is a big enough addition to cut you a fair amount of slack. You have to screw up quite a bit to really disappoint people. But when you're going from one full motion visual medium to another (i.e. animation to live action), you don't get that kind of slack because you're not fundamentally adding as much. You have to have a good answer for the question of "Why should I watch this instead of just rewatching the original show?".
In this case, the show doesn't really have a good answer. It doesn't feel like its improving on anything. It just feels like a weaker version of something already good.
>You have to screw up quite a bit to really disappoint people
My dude, people get assblasted just because the actor’s hair or eye colour is different from the way it’s described in the book. Shit, some people were complaining about Hunger Games movie having a non-white character DESPITE the character already being black in the books. You’re seriously downplaying how insane and b***hy fanboys are when it comes to any kind of a change they notice or especially today just think is “woke propaganda” alteration. If Jackie Brown was made today people would throw tantrums about Tarantino race swapping the character.
>In this case, the show doesn't really have a good answer. It doesn't feel like its improving on anything.
It’s far more serious and mature, which benefits the live action environment and the characters. The cartoon being too childishly goofy and jokey (because it was aimed at kids) was always one of the things that you just had to endure in the early parts of the show.
Pedants are always going to be disappointed no matter what. You can discard their opinions. A really shit adaptation disappoints even the regular people with its changes.
I'm a regular person and I didn't like the Netflix show. I felt like it traded off a lot of what made the original show good and gave very little in return.
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Anonymous
Well that’s your opinion. My opinion is that it’s a good live action adaptation. I guess we are at an impasse.
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Anonymous
>I felt like it traded off a lot of what made the original show good
that's a fan boy answer, I'm doubting your 'regular person' credentials.
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Anonymous
>if you like the original show more than the adaptation, you're a fan boy
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
Not at all. I'm of the opinion that adapting from a cartoon to live action is moronic and inherently limiting.
>adapting from a cartoon to live action is moronic and inherently limiting
It really is a questionable choice for action and fantasy shows. Good animated fights aren't cheap or easy either. But on top of the shared need for competent storyboarding/choreography/direction a live action bender fight introduces even more potential points of failure (mostly the limitations of live actors).
It's not impossible to make it look good, but it's not something you can cheap out on or half-ass without every cut corner standing out like a sore thumb, whereas animation has developed all kinds of cheats to make scenes look good without quadrupling the effort.
But what's the point? The comic and mother of faces existed to address the criticism of Ursa's treatment of Azula and abandonment of her kids. The show won't touch any serious topic. It's not going to have a mother say she was dogshit and failed her kids. It's not going to have Ursa recognizing she intentionally neglected Azula.
Realistically without the source material this is a 4/10 show that is just bad. There's absolutely nothing in it that's better than the original. I don't understand why anyone would watch it over the original and why it exists.
I've only watched the first couple of episodes and it's a mixed bag so far. I like most of the actors. Iroh is really good. The sets and fight scenes look way better than the Shyamalan movie. Zuko's scar is downplayed - it should really look more ugly and more gnarly. They tried to pretty him up too much. There are some minor story changes. When Aang sees the devastation at the air temple, he goes into the Avatar state. In the animated version, Katara is the one who brings him out of it. In the live action, he brings himself out of it. It's small, but it's a missed opportunity to show how much their connection means to him. In Suki's village, the training montage between Sokka and Suki is more romantic. Avatar Kyoshi has a bigger role. They bring Azula in a lot sooner. The animated version is still a lot better but so far, I don't hate this.
It's still better to have her be the one who brings him out of it. It shows that he's still learning to control his powers and he needs other people around him.
The fun part of this is you know all those fake avatar projects they announced, like the zuko movie, or the adult gaang movie, even that earth bending avatar series?
Well the adult gaang movie is coming in 2025. What baffles me is what’s taking them so damn long to produce content. Even the comics have grinded to a halt.
One Piece live action made changes that felt necessary for brevity (ie cutting out the Don Krieg fight)
Avatar changed shit for no reason like >Omashu was founded by two lesbians >Azula is an overeager hothead wanting to prove herself >Lots of Roku's scenes in the original were removed (like him possessing Aang) >Katara needs no training from Pakku to master anything >Aang straight up not fricking learning waterbending at all while going to the Poles and he doesn't even learn it while he is there
But some good new scenes were added in like >Aang making a small cairn for Gyatso >Zuko comforting Iroh after the death of Lu Ten >Zuko having a chance to hit Ozai with a fireball but not doing it out of compassion
I'm not even sure how to comprehensibly criticize it, where to bite first? There's a problem with the editing and the cuts which makes character moments feel like infodumps, they're dumping the script raw on screen. I can even see Zuko's actor trying hard to emote and convey but it's not coming through because i think they're blowing through the scenes too fast.
I'm not used to watching netflix stuff.
The ships look cool. They forgot to show that Zuko's ship is smaller than everyone else's but, good design?
They're explaining the details of the current situation again since they didn't give the necessary info to understand it and simply cold-cut to this part of the story.
I'm worried they might have forgotten that Zuko is not a side character, he was co-protagonist.
>aang at kyoshi island >i know i don't belong here..it's something i've been feeling a lot lately
No you haven't, there's been no scene of you feeling that. See that's the kind of problems i'm having can't go 2 minutes without some detail jutting out.
It never ceases to amaze me how people are apparently so illiterate and stupid today they can’t understand anything anymore. Or then they purposefully choose to misconstrue to get an excuse to complain about something.
having watched the whole thing the single worst decision was probably to introduce Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee so early. They pull so much screentime away from the rest of the show for literally no benefit since they never once interact with Zuko or the heroes. She could have just been introduced in season 2 the same way she was in the show. Second worst was probably having Bumi just say who he was right away.
Introducing characters early means they don’t have to spent so much time establishing them later when they have more impact on the storyline. Foreshadowing the family dynamics when they start interacting directly also isn’t bad.
It was done to the detriment of the rest of the season. The romance between Sokka and Yue, the main trio spending essentially no time together to believably bond, Katara and Aang's waterbending progression, and more could have benefited from more screentime. And it's not like Azula is a character that requires that much establishment, she's Zuko's cold, calculating, and deadly little sister. Her first scene in the show instantly shows what she's all about. Pretty much everything after that before she meets team Avatar is just gathering her sidekicks, which can easily be cut.
I figure you didn't mean much by this so i'll add unto your post that the mature, darker more serious cartoon for young adults treated its themes and character motivations in a juvenile and infantile manner compared to the cartoon for 13yearolds with fart jokes and boing sound effects.
Childhood is loving ATLA and shitting on Korra.
Adulthood is liking ATLA despite its shortcomings, and realizing Korra is even shittier than you thought.
The farting toddler isn't why LoK is childish, it's because the pathos of almost every character from Korra to Tenzin to Lin and the other Toph's kids, and Zaheer, and Amon or his brother or Jinora or Asami revolves around struggling with a parental sort of authority, rebelling against it and being punished for it then disregarding it to cry freedom. This is about as far as the thematics go in Legend of Korra.
Why is every Netflix show so ugly? I don't mean the actors, I mean the lighting, blocking and colour grade. They look like parody skits from a low budget sketch comedy despite all the money thrown at them.
In Omashu the carts slide uphill inside the ramps but that's not how it works. The CG studio weren't told. Like hunting for boom mics incidents but on easy mode, finding these little mistakes, they're everywhere in this.
Ok so there are these people who work on entertaiment, they can be idenitified by their lack of soul and love money.
They look for popular IPs because making something new requires a soul and the devil already has a monopoly on buying those.
Existing IPs come with an audience and brand recognition so it's less risky which makes shareholders happy (more money = more infant blood, yay!)
Then most people who still pay subscriptions don't really care what they watch as long as there's something on. They don't share your autistic apretiation for niche creative interests.
In fact, most of them "watch" TV while looking at their phone too.
>In fact, most of them "watch" TV while looking at their phone too.
+talking about other shit during it
+doing chores
+or watch it on their phone at 2x speed
And then they ask why people like movie theaters...
Because they can't move on from their childhood but also are somewhat aware cartoons are for babies and view live action as the mature medium. So they want to keep clinging to stuff they enjoyed as kids under the pretense its a "real show" now.
Furthermore it doesn't stand on its own merits and i think that is the most damning criticism, not that it doesn't respect the source material but that as its own show it's not well executed.
>take a female character and make her a powerful badass fighter ASAP >take away the mothering dynamic that gave her more social authority in the group
Modern writers hate women, water is wet.
With a little help from off-camera trampolines and shit, they can. But only if they're baby Olympic gymnasts or top-tier martial artists in their age bracket. How many of those kids can act, or even want to?
No, not only do they try to cram in most of season 1, they also shove in some bits from season 2 like the Cave of Two Lovers (who are turned into lesbians of fricking course)
I'm honestly co fused. I was promised Gam of Thrones levels of Wincest and Sokka didn't kiss his sister on the mouth ONCE! If they aren't fuvking every night what's even the point?
basado
You are supposed to wait for the Zuzu x Azula stuff
They're both ugly now so I don't want it.
im not watching it, but is there a promised Game of Thrones style sex scene?
Not but there are green fire explosions at one point.
fat american piggu
I decided to follow the avatar way, and make a new scooby doo.
Now it's more "american"
what do you think?
More "american" is good right?
alright anon, i will now fund your show
go back to /chug/, kiddie fiddler.
Asian-American actors are so fricking ugly compared to native Asian actors. They should have hired some native Asian ones instead.
Which of those men would you prefer to play a woman?
Left side, second from the top.
I can see it.
Markiplier top left.
This is what Koreans look like before surgery. Square jaws.
She's not Korean. She's Vietnamese, which is even worse.
WHY IS SHE UGLY?
Not only doesn't she look like Azula! She doesn't even look like the actress!
Suck my wiener
no one is talking about it, no love, no hate, only silence, that's somehow worse
It's very faithful to the original and the first couple of episodes are very touching. Sokka is funny.
>very faithful to the original
lol
lmao, even.
dropped it on episode one purely because of how much they changed shit that didn't need to be changed.
funny. so how much did they pay u?
I think we're basically doing what we did to the awful Cowboy Bebop remake, just ignore it and it will go away.
watched the first episode, i dont know, its just kind of lame, looks a little cheap, acting is kinda bad. dont think i care enough to watch the rest, its kind of lame
the truth is that ATLA was always lame
this. I was barely a teenager when the og came out and I already thought it was corny/lame. can't believe it's as beloved as it is despite such a simplistic take on a great universe
>simplistic take
Simple takes can be interesting.
>Aang's motivation: he ran away, he feels guilt, he is still child like but has grave responsibility.
Simple but works on many levels, is very communicable and can be understood.
>You have episodes that are often self contained morality tales while also having a wide story.
I think a good example is Star Wars. The Original Trilogy is simple but also beloved as frick. While the Sequel trilogy is shit on because it thought it was more "clever" and not simple.
The reason why SW is a good comparison is because The Legend of Korra subverted expectations before The Last Jedi did.
>How are non benders treated in society? Doesn't matter because Amon is an evil blood bender looking for revenge.
This to me is the epitome of "we don't want to be simple". They tried to avoid it being simple but the subverting expectations and twists managed to avoid decent character arcs. While simple ATLA stories worked. I find that modern creatives don't understand what makes simple good. I understand every character in The Last Airbender. Their motives can still be interesting while it is still simple.
>subverted expectations
I swear this expression is like a red flag that a person is a judgemental butthole who spends their lives nitpicking things from their basements all day.
Nothing I said was nitpicking or being a judgemental butthole? I believe that subverting expectations as a creative choice has increasingly happened because creatives find it difficult to interact with an online audience. If you are writing a series and interacting with specific bubbles of fans you'll end up wanting to please certain people. And sometimes people will guess where you're heading because you're naturally building an arc. A cheap way to garner surprise and online chatter is to shatter that. To do the unexpected. But that also can damage the arcs you were building towards.
Look at the example I gave of Korra. Exploring how non-benders are treated in society would make for an interesting and deep plot. But all that plot is quickly abandoned and doesn't matter. The story is cheapened by it. I am not using the expression as a cheap thing or an attack as part of the culture wars. I am simply saying that it is something that people increasingly use because they think it is better than building a simple character arc.
The notion of having events take place that take a story in an unexpected direction has nothing to do with creatives interacting with an online audience, and basically every single story that has ever been told has some variation of it.
It's a bullshit, empty expression clearly always used by people as a code for "I didn't like what happened".
>has nothing to do with creatives interacting with an online audience
The Legend of Korra specifically had it as part of interacting with an online audience. The romance aspect of the show was especially engineered to interact with this audience and certainly changed depending on these interactions.
>It's a bullshit, empty expression clearly always used by people as a code for "I didn't like what happened".
People can certainly decide to take a story in a complete different direction for shock value. You seem to be acting as if it concretely can never happen? I don't see why you're being so absolutist about this.
>in an unexpected direction
Some unexpected directions are narratively bankrupt and that is what people mean by subverting expectations. When a unexpected direction has no real value to the story and feels like it was done for the sake of it.
Yeah bro, you tell 'em! There's nothin' wrong with subvertin' expectations, bro. Gotta swerve the audience and keep 'em on their toes, bro.
You and your kind exist to do nothing but ruin already great works. Your only talent is destruction.
Azula isn't supposed to show up until season 2, why is she here
Ty Lee and Mai have already shown up too.
With all the scenes they cut, they had extra runtime to introduce some later plots.
>new thing is good because old thing was always bad
The ultimate moron's critique
I don't watch live action adaptations
this.
There is no reason for any animated content to be turned into live-action. Only done to appease the morons who think animation is below them.
Just finished the first episode. It's such garbage that I feel like it perfectly captures why Hollywood sucks so much now. We've gotten to the point where technology is so advanced that studios rely on it to cover up the fact that literally everything else is as amateurish as it can possibly be. The dialogue is terrible. The acting is awful. At one point Aang literally stares at the camera and explains who his character is. The changes are moronic. The characters are emotionless. And for the love of fricking god STOP EXPLAINING EVERYTHING. Audiences do not need to understand literally everything about a fantasy world within the first five minutes.
I'll have to eait to after work to watch it, then again I'll probably pace this out. I don't feel like binging.
It's okay. Not enough to be considered bad, but I won't start praising it for anything.
see
Zuko is a tumblerite artist with a dairy, but Ozai is praising him anyway, so that Azula can be the real victim
also they are all fat like Mai and Azula, or old like June
What?why?
Wait, Zuko learns about the fire lord and Azula's bullshit this early on? Doesn't Ozai decide to use Azula once he confirms that Zuko is a complete and total frick up, and sends her off to get rid of him and Iroh?
The whole catalyst for Zuko and Iroh becoming refugees in the Earth Kingdom?
What the hell happens instead?
i'm more curious about what you think happened in the original series if you think that was why they were on the run or that zuko wasn't already well aware that his dad and sister were a problem.
It has been nearly a decade since these things started getting predictable.
>reboot of old thing announced
>producers wish to change thing
>mutated ugly version of thing is made
>nobody watches remake, but waves of articles praising it rise and fall over 2 weeks
>ugly reboot ends, is forgotten
>only ever mentioned again as reminder of how bad it was
I can think of 15, maybe 20 instances of this in recent years. When a remake/reboot is announced, I just skip forward to the end in my head and move on before principal photography even starts.
Except for the articles, all of this literally happened in this movie.
What movie
What if they tried something completely different?
Avatar is too tied into eastern mysticism for that to work
Avatar but instead of Chinese/east Asian setting with the Classical Elements, it's European setting with Chinese elements. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17zZr3TgUDEnGg9lzu2Qp00U7dhWsxO91aVT2be9uB-8/edit
I'd say he's wrong in that asian mysticism and buddhist philosophy is a big part of the series and I think it would be a lot different if you tried to swap all of that out with Greek philosophy or humanism or Christian mysticism or whatever.
There's barely any Asian philosophy, it's all window dressing.
Got an argument, or are you just going to spout opinions?
Star Wars has more meaningful asian philosophy than avatar.
It is a great lie that western and eastern philosophy are opposed, there is plenty of shared ground between them. Off the top of my head you could easily make the Guru and the lessons he teaches as being a form of stoicism with his focus on self acceptance and control, and rejection of strong passionate emotions for instead a focus on greater duty. And Aang's inability to forsake his love of Katara still works thematically and as a common critique of said philosophy, that fundamentally we are emotional beings.
Everything about bending and the spirit world is ripped straight from asian mysticism. The very concept of an avatar comes from Hinduism and the idea of them embodying balance is very much a taoist principle not featured much in western religion.
There's nothing mystical about stoicism, it's a school of philosophy.
Could work (maybe) if it was ancient cultures like ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt etc.
I think I'd prefer Avatar with a different cultural focus to continue to be based on Asia so like the Mongols, India, Thailand etc.
Kino
>It has been nearly a decade since these things started getting predictable.
The creative climate is something like this:
>Too many people are college educated and think they can do better than pop culture thing.
>But none of them can write the Great American Novel or actual deep media.
>All end up in pop culture products via nepotism, cronyism or something similar.
>They either like but don't understand or hate and want to change the pop culture thing.
>Constantly crave adding "depth" aka their moronic ideas over stories they view as "simple".
>They fundamentally misunderstand what makes simple storytelling good and don't realise that their attempts at "depth" are not deep but actively ruin projects.
>Perpetually online so they exist in the same social media bubbles.
>They read a bunch of fandom shit for advice.
>Fandoms who are perpetually online and constantly repeat the same criticisms.
>Fandoms who routinely have the worst takes.
>Their attempts at adapting thing ends up feeling like fanfic because they try and fix these complaints.
>It is the equivalent of someone with no knowledge of plumbing thinking that plumbing is beneath them and taking advice on how to do plumbing from a down syndrome kid who makes pipes out of Lego.
>While a real plumber knows how to do things rather simply.
Elite overproduction really does ruin everything.
This still looks less bad than the actual new Transformers cartoon with the troony robot and the nog insert humans.
>zuko's crew's backstory
damn, that's actually a really good change
which is it?
How many of them are nonbinary?
all of them
I agree. Sadly, there's only like one or two more of these good changes.
Everything else seems to be a detriment.
Pretty funny how this show was hyped up for so long but all it took was ONE interview to completely destroy the hype. Avatar has an extremely obnoxious fanbase that defends it to death - I was expecting a very long time for criticism of it to become normal, like how the Netflix Witcher fans were in total denial of any criticisms until after Cavill left. But now the show is a hot mess on arrival. How do you frick up so badly?
>pointless plot changes that make the world make less sense
>altering character motivation for the sake of making the characters more politically correct and boring (removing sokka's sexism, making katara no longer a love interest, aang is no longer fun loving and childish, etc)
>removing subtlety because the general audience who consumes goyslop won't understand "show don't tell"
>try to fit in a bunch of pointless action scenes so you have to squeeze all of the plot into boring exposition dumps
>do all of this while also having a terrible cast who can't act and mediocre looking effects and greenscreens that take you out of the story
>making katara no longer a love interest
i didnt hear about this
because it didn't happen
in the last episode she literally tells aang 'I need you' to calm him out of avatar state
you could argue they toned down the romance vibes though, because at the end of the day a 16 year old flirting with a 12 year old just looks sus on screen
She's supposed to be 14, for one thing. They didn't change that too, did they?
they did not, but everyone will be in their late teens/early twenties by the time the show finishes
>you could argue they toned down the romance vibes though, because at the end of the day a 16 year old flirting with a 12 year old just looks sus on screen
Why are americans so moronic?
almost as funny as how obvious homosexuals like you are being about your pants-shitting over a nothingburger
>racing to announce how much he's seething
interesting strategy
It tells more about how modern fandom today just wants any excuse to start b***hing. Everything has to be about hating stuff now rather than enjoying it.
>it's not that the quality of storytelling or production has overall decreased due to cost-cutting, outsourcing, multiple generations of nepotism, and the death of merit-based hiring
>fans just decided to hate everything one day and we all went along with it
Motherfricker, people flipped on a switched and decided to the the show over an interview that made entirely reasonable points about how some changes were necessary because the cast are meant to be kids and multiple seasons long show production schedules can’t exactly handle making everything take place within a single year when it takes years to make anything because the actors clearly age during that time.
>people flipped on a switch
I saw plenty of apprehension and naysayers before that interview came out. I don't know how people outside Cinemaphile reacted, but it sounds like they just caught up to the ones who saw the warning signs earlier.
>Everything has to be about hating stuff now rather than enjoying it.
It's got good visuals and less bad actors than the movie, but it makes a lot of baffling changes that destroy certain characters from the original or dilute their themes
>Iroh defends the war
>Katara wants to be a warrior
>Kyoshi replaces Roku
I could barely finish the first episode. It's shit and not a replacement for the original series.
Oh and earthbending still looks like shit even though they do it all in darkness to hide how bad the cgi is.
>Iroh defends the war
he does this in the original too, he was always pro fire nation but started changing when he lost his son. he doesn't truly appreciate the world until he enters bah sing se. the internal struggle between his goals and his conscious are what makes him so interesting in s1, he's willing to do bad things because he wants to be there for his nephew and still respects the fire nation. he drew the line with killing the dragons and stepping down as general, but it took him time to truly respect the rest of the world.
>Katara wants to be a warrior
this is true in its own way in the cartoon. she wants to learn how to use her waterbending to fight, not just to heal. she doesn't want to be a damsel, and knows she's capable of being a powerful bender. making her literally want to be a warrior is moronic though.
>Kyoshi replaces Roku
wait is this true
Iroh wasn’t perfect, he was still having character development. His character arc was alongside Zuko’s. It’s very underrated but ignored because zoomer avatar gays sperg out over iroh not being perfect and in general ignore a lot of season one and two.
it's weird that people forget this at all but i'm guessing it's just a lack of media literacy.
there are people defending this netflix show who don't even understand that zuko and iroh cutting their knots off was symbolic of them removing themselves from the royal family and the fire nation as a whole.
can't wait for them to talk over this entire scene with pointless exposition just in case the audience doesn't get it.
I’d be surprised if that scene is even still adapted. A lot of the shows best writing was done by Aaron Ehaosz and his wife. Bryke definitely can’t write anything like that, and the Netflix show doesn’t even have Bryke. I imagine a lot of these subtle but kino moments will be completely ignored by writers who have no idea of their meaning or purpose.
>roh wasn’t perfect, he was still having character development.
Iroh was already a member of the WL before S1 started.
>Cinemaphile defends this slop
It's almost comedic how readily you trannies gobble up this corporate goyslop
If you want to be taken seriously, use less buzzwords next time. Now go back to whatever board you came from.
>he doesn't truly appreciate the world until he enters bah sing se. the internal struggle between his goals and his conscious are what makes him so interesting in s1, he's willing to do bad things because he wants to be there for his nephew and still respects the fire nation. he drew the line with killing the dragons and stepping down as general, but it took him time to truly respect the rest of the world.
Iroh was a member of the White Lotus before S1.
> she wants to learn how to use her waterbending to fight, not just to heal.
thats not remotely comparable to the actual situation here. she wanted to learn waterbending from the start because its part of her culture, not because she wanted to be a warrior.
>>Iroh defends the war
No he doesn't. It's subtle, but everything he says is reporting what others believe, not himself. It's good writing if it gave you that impression though.
wants to be a warrior
Not exactly sure what you mean. Cartoon katara wants to learn to waterbend in a fighting capacity, not just healing. So she wants to be a warrior in that sense.
replaces Roku
Makes a lot of sense given that they go to kyoshi island first, especially if you're going to insert some avatar lore and interactions. If you mean it sucks that she is the one to give Aang his 'mission' for the season, then I think I agree, since it makes the sidetracking a bit ridiculous when they know their main mission so early. They keep having to do that thing where they say "I know I should be doing <big important thing>, but actually <small thing> is important too!".
>since it makes the sidetracking a bit ridiculous when they know their main mission so early
The cartoon was way more egregious about that stuff.
Eh I had low expectations and it was slightly better than I thought it would be as of ep 1. Still 6.5/10.
Things like set design and particle effects are pretty nice. I like Aang and Zuko more than I expected to. Appa looks great.
But I hate the tell-don't-show script and poor Aang has to deal with the worst of it with lines like I AM CURRENTLY SCARED and I LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU DEFENDED ME or not far off. And Sokka is so ridiculously unlikeable
>And Sokka is so ridiculously unlikeable
at least that bit remains cartoon accurate then
I didn't like him in the cartoon and like him way less in this
Sokka was based in the cartoon, only soimales hate him.
ey at least hes not a crossdresser anymore?
I hate the over explaining and hand holding the audience.
prease understanderu, making airbarr would be too harderu and cost too much money.
mista meriku should just berieve him.
he literally rides in airball in the next scene
i kneel defiantly to your trips, if true i must've been looking away or forgot
Didn't bryke actually help write episode one? Why is modern dialogue so shit nowadays?
No, they basically washed their hands of this entire affair fairly early into pre-production because of changes Netflix were trying to force onto them.
Will they ruin her bros?
200% Yes.
By choosing an actress with ugly feet.
I'd kill myself if this happens. I'm not expecting some of the fetishbait shots we got in the cartoon but jesus christ imagine if she's an uggo all over.
There's no way they're not going to make her into some buff dyke which takes away from her entire character's purpose.
The actress will be a child, so you shouldn't be lusting after her feet anyway.
Impossible
You have nothing to be worried about all. She won't be barefoot whatsoever.
She needs to be a buff, 7 foot tall man that sounds like Macho Man Randy Savage. At the very least it'll be a funny callback to the Ember Island Players.
shoes
Uh...Sokkabros...is this true...?
>Trump-supporting..
its almost like you cant get hired at all without some ESG bullshit
>character is indigenous
>“White men can’t get work!”
Bait or moronic?
Everyone is indigenous to somewhere.
I'm only an episode in, but this guy is a great Sokka so far.
Sokka is better than Katara
>Trump supporter
How to get a fanbase despite being a mediocre actor instantly
>Plays the system for his part
>Actually does a good job
Pretty impressive
>fake tribe
that's not how federal tribal recognition works
homie is playing a steppe Asian. Who the frick cares wether he's native American or not?
>water tribes
>steppe Asians
If only. Paddling around throat singing on the icy tundra riding, I don't know, walruses or some shit.
It's over.
Sokka was always /ourguy/.
>The best actor in the series
>Not Twitter approved
Of course
Holy shit dude who the frick cares if they let black people play white characters then the swarthiest looking white man in America should be allowed to play native Americans.
>gaming the DEI system this blatantly
I will always respect this hustle.
I can't imagine being this obsessed over something so small, leftists are something else man
So, does this castratii also dislike Elizabeth Warren for being a fake Cherokee?
The guy who plays Sokka is from a family that loves hillbilly Trump? Another reason why I'll never watch this show.
The main reason I won't see it is because the show looks like garbage.
>fake tribe.
So most of them?
I’m not watching it but I would chubby Azula
Kyoshi is trash.
She is overrated
Kyoshi is great.
But she would not be a mentor to Aang. Kyoshi, after years of development through official canon novels, is a character who is very much beyond the concept of grooming someone to be the perfect Avatar. She was over the idea of mentors telling you what path to follow. Hell, everything about Korra's upbringing was the exact shit that ruined Kyoshi's life for awhile.
In short, she is not mentor character. She is a character who realized actions beat words
>ATLA Kyoshi
A badass
>Novels Kyoshi
An insufferable mary sue
Simple as
Also Kyoshi's legacy is the Dai Li, arguably bar Sozin the worst legacy of any avatar considering they basically destroyed the Earth Kingdom and handed the Fire Nation the war, then helped the Earth King's successor with her tyranny.
400 years is a long time. Thinking corruption wouldn't take place in that time frame is just silly.
Normalgays get out.
Are Kyoshi novels good? Or are they garbage slop like the Dark horse comics?
I like the idea of an Avatar that doesn't frick around and immediately goes for the kill, that's impression I got from her in the lion turtle episode
They skipped it. They're skipping.
>no penguin sledding
>no aang riding that giant serpent on kioshi island
>no aang playing airball with sokka
>katara isn't jelly about aang being better at waterbending than her since sinces she's already so good
>Bumi is genuinly frustrated and wants aang to fricking kill him when they're fighting rather than it being a tough but good reunion
>Omashu, jet, and the fake airbenders are all in the same episode
So many wtf
decisions
they've Oma and Shu into lesbians... what the actual frick
I'm not watching it. I don't care what anyone says, I'm not even willing to hate watch this. Not even pirate it. This, as far as I'm concerned, does not exist.
Avatar should have ended at the end of Book 3.
It did end with Book 3. Shame we never found out what happened to Zuko's mom though
They go over it in the comics
The comics don't exist
>the comics
never forget that zuko gets cucked and mei breeds with some literally who
this IP has truly delivered some kino in its years
LA Ozai respects Zuko more. Azula is salty
It's better than the Shyalamalek movie and the source material saves a few scenes by virtue of being copied here but it doesn't cut it. It all just doesn't cut it by any margin.
APOLOGISE!
No
One more shit adaptation won't magically make Whorra magically good
Why do people say Whorra like it's a bad thing? Whorra turns me on
It's prostitute (derogatory) not prostitute (positive)
Nah, the Legend of Korra is good (not perfect and kind of stupid some times, but still over all good). It gets over hated because it's not as good as ATLA.
eh, Korra's got the biggest breasts in both series so I'll give her that
Bigger than Tai Li?
someone did an analysis a while back about all the characters' breasts size and Korra's the biggest
or maybe it was Jin...
Where?
Korra is extremely sexually attractive, however, that is, and I am not exaggerating, her only redeeming quality as a character.
Shes hot.
Thats it.
Only if you're attracted to men.
The hot characters were basically the only redeeming quality of her whole show too.
Was hot. When they switched up her design after S2 she stopped being hot and got replaced by Kuvira come S4.
>Kuvira
You mean mommy?
>doesn't like short hair Korra
What the frick? Korra ruined women for me because I was like 13 when I watched the show and it gave me unrealistic expectations of coolness for actual girls to live up to
She looked like she fit in the setting in S1 and 2. The haircut and outfit change made her look like a cosplayer in her own show because it's a modern hairstyle in a non-modern setting. The outfit also deemphasized her breasts.
Only good for her body, what a disappointing character that I was really looking forward to. Though ultimately she'd be better perceived by just about everyone had the writers stopped shitting on her so much.
Toph is superior
Toph does not look at the camera she does not look at things, you poor pleb, you didn't think of that. Your AI picture is awful and i don't see why you'd keep it.
Even commissioned artists never seem to connect that dot regarding Toph's gaze.
They just moved the camera to where her eyes were pointing, moron.
Why bring Azula in so early?
Toph does what she wants
>Why bring Azula in so early?
Because unlike cartoons, people age.
There's only so much time you have when you want to portray your actors as children. It'll be hard to portray Aang as a 12-13 year old when he's walking around with a 5 o'clock shadow.
That’s complete nonsense
explain how people don't age, Mr. Fountain of Youth?
It has literally nothing to do with what you were replying to
Except it does.
Eventually TLOK haters will grow up and realize they were being silly and got swept up in a hate bandwagon, just like the prequel haters. Korra was the last good western cartoon show.
only good thing out of korra was porn
>Eventually TLOK haters will grow up
>grow up
Lol. It's been like over a decade, never...
Millennials take longer to grow up.
I started rewatching LoK recently and am currently near the end of book 2.
LoK's writing suffers from a lot of what Netflix ATLA has, where since the story feels like it has to go from plot beat to plot beat quickly and they hand-wave explain things in a line.
For example, in book 1, we're supposed to believe Korra, Mako, and Bolin are super close by book 5, so they say "wow it's been months since I met you guys and we've already done so much together".
Korra makes more sense when you realize that every season was written like it’d be the last one. They didn’t think they would get to continue it so there is no continuity or greater plan for the series.
To be fair, it was originally just going to be a one-season series, but then Nickelodeon greenlit a second season, and then two more after that.
That's why it starts going to shit by episode 4 of the first season, because it was supposed to be one season but the poor writers were dealt a bad hand.
Oh don't get me wrong, Season 1 had a lot of shittiness.
>the love triangle shit
>pro bending taking up way too much time
>bloodbending power creep
and more
The first season was as good as ATLA and if they stopped there it would eventually be acknowledged as a worthy sequel.
Yes ATLA tier dialogue right there, the same level of quality. So interesting, totally fantastic, between watching an atla scene and watching this i just can't pick what i'd prefer.
What's wrong with it?
It's the lamest form drama can take
Okay, it's the ember island player play but played straight. Get it?
Are you a teenage girl?
Again. What's wrong with it?
Petty catfights between dramaqueens doesn't rhyme with the last airbender, neither does hormone fueled love triang..rectangles yet the bulk of our cast's interactions in the first season revolves around who's got the feels for whom like it's fricking Glee. I see what you're pulling, we're been over this for the last 10 years anon.
The original cast were young kids in their early teens and the show had very innocent depiction of romance appropriate of their age. TLOK cast are in their late teens in the first season, old enough to frick. It's a completely different dynamic.
>I see what you're pulling, we're been over this for the last 10 years anon.
Yes, it always comes down to TLOK not being copypasted ATLA.
Since they're teenagers they ought to act insufferable towards each other, it's THE dynamic of young adults and the cartoon simply had to feature a lot of that. I love watching thaaaaat.
It comes down to your god forsaken tastes in entertainment.
I didn't say they were insufferable or describe them as such. That's your take you keep reinforcing without making any convincing argument for why that's actually the case. I do appreciate the irony of complaining about insufferable characters while posting one of the most insufferable gifs ever and typing like an insufferable c**t.
>It comes down to your god forsaken tastes in entertainment.
Sure. It's about taste, and you have none because you're an NPC who conforms to the masses.
Season 1 was still bad, the love triangle (or rhombus technically) was CW-tier, pro-bending was a waste of spectacle, and Amon was a villain that completely neutered his own potential. Also the biggest sin the series did was moving the timeline so drastically in such a short time-frame, making it incredibly difficult for any sort of sequel series.
We're back to
>it's bad because I say so
At least I provide an argument for how it's bad rather than just saying "thing people think is bad? it good actually" like a textbook Cinemaphilentrarian.
You don't make any argument. You just say it's bad.
>this is good
>it's actually bad because x, y, and z
three points, do you lack reading comprehension?
Fricking stop repeating this shit, it's literally the opposite of the truth
Literally NONE of this is true. Bryke admitted that they were greenlit three additional seasons halfway through the development of season 1, which is exactly what TLA went through. There's no excuse for Korra being as shit as it is.
This. We always knew that Korra was going to be a lesbian. This new show pretty much confirms it as well.
>For example, in book 1, we're supposed to believe Korra, Mako, and Bolin are super close by book 5, so they say "wow it's been months since I met you guys and we've already done so much together".
I don't get your example. Can you use another one?
The Krew fricking suck, Asami being barely a character, Bolin being borderline moronic and cracks a joke while his friend is dying in front of him and Mako is fricking Mako, but I think Korra and Tenzin have good arcs.
Completely different circumstances. I will say that Korra largely suffered because it added a bunch of shit that contradicts the pre-established world, which were also worse ideas in of themselves. The Prequels did not contradict anything in the OT, despite plebs' confusion regarding midichlorians. Perhaps the only similarity is arguably a greater mystic-feeling in ATLA/OT versus Korra/Prequels, but other than that it's different.
Ignoring the uncanny valley way it looks in movement the design is bad. Those tiny wings are unconvincing.
They also literally gave him chimpanzee noises, generic, free on the internet , chimp noises instead of the cartoon's chirps he always had.
Oh god his face.
>They also literally gave him chimpanzee noises, generic, free on the internet , chimp noises instead of the cartoon's chirps he always had.
Wait, what? They even fricked up the cute mascot animal? Are they trying not to make money off merch?
>literally chimp noises
>Are they trying not to make money off merch?
nobody buys merch in 2020 gramps
Why have I seen so many childless millennial and Gen X women with Baby Yoda stuff then? Checkmate, zoomer.
Good thing they only show him like four times in the whole season.
kek, they killed Momo because he was too expensive
shame they decided to bring him back. the one good decision the live action made.
Sokka fries and cooks Momo as is the natural order of things. Balance restored.
I hope it was shit enough to finally kill this shit franchise
Why did they say they deleted Sozin's Comet when that's not true?
because people will say random BS for clicks bro
Kuruk looks like a chad, and he has accurate blue eyes like all the water tribe should have
Why aren’t Katara and Sokka brown
This was way better than that shitty Filoni cartoon.
Eh. Well… it's better than the movie, but that isn't by much.
When did zoomers start eating up slop?
You merely adopted the slop. They were born in it, molded by it.
I really feel like if they just went to a shitty rundown reservation in Canada they would have found better people who look exactly like sokka and katara. Maybe those injuns can't act but who knows. Maybe in the future when the 3rd live action adaptation happens they'll actually get people who look like the characters
Hollywood is all about networking/nepotism. All the claims of "racial diversity" was just a means for a different cliche to usurp its rival, not to actually give anyone a chance. Just look at how the GoT dwarf actor pulled up the ladder after becoming rich. He didn't care about 'little people', just himself.
I can't even remember what it was like to ever want live action adaptations of things, now I want them all to go away.
I don’t know if you’ve ever visited a rez but they are full of fat people and uggos with drug and alcohol problems. The issue is injuns just are not good looking
Never visited one but I did see them growing up and in high school. Tournaments of basketball and volleyball, some poor school from a reservation from who knows where would be in the roster. I thought they looked alright. Don't know if it's just because they were the young athletic ones though. It was probably that
>tournaments of basketball and volleyball
You saw the top 1% of res youth. Most of the ones you met probably aren't doing so hot today either. Aside from everyone being overweight, they're not innately bad looking. But the culture is fricked and after a certain age, it's hard to find anyone who's thin but not on stimulants. Maybe it's different in the northern territories, but I doubt it. Shit sucks.
t. leaf who lives next to a res
Perfect castings like RDJ as Iron Man are rare. Usually they ultimately have to make concessions. Like yeah there are darker skinned natives out there but how many of them are actual actors?
you motherfrickers don't know what you're talking about, this shit is popping.
The internet is so insufferable with "zoomers" or whatever that I really wish it wasn't the only thing I had to do in life at the moment.
No cap?
It's okay.
It was crap.
Apologize.
>Uung
it was Oong
One thing being bad doesn't stop another thing from also being bad. Avatar has produced nothing of worth since the end of the original series and even then ATLA has one of the shittiest endings I've ever seen.
>revisionism is so insane and people are so contrarian they will literally pretend like some old turd has SOVL or is a cult classic just because new thing bad
This shit's been happening for years. Prequelgays were doing the same revisionist history shit when the Star Wars sequels started coming out.
The prequels aren't very good, but they do have some vision which the sequels lack completely. Hence Lucas really is better than who suceeded him.
I once compared the Wan First Avatar Arc in Korra to Midichlorians in the prequel films and the thread devolved into prequel fans getting super mad and shitting up a Korra thread.
Midichlorians don't detract or contradict literally anything in the OT.
The wan stuff is entirely contradictory to how the spirit world works.
I'm not going to lie and say his version was better. But at least with Shyamalan I was experiencing some actual emotion, even if it was mainly just outrage and confusion. It was a legendarily bad film, the butt of jokes for decades now. With this new show I feel absolutely nothing. A complete numbness. It's just lukewarm slop, not even worth getting upset about, that will be completely forgotten in a few weeks. Netflix's Avatar might be better on a technical level, but Shyamalan's will prove to be far more memorable.
>Shyamalan's will prove to be far more memorable
No it won’t. And even if it is, it’ll be in a bad way, let’s not act like that’ll be something to celebrate about it
That's what he said, dummy
Jesus frick she is so ugly. Her head is a fricking cube dude. Surely they could have found someone better to play her. You can't tell me in any universe that zuko dates that thing
Zuko fricks that?
Unironically anime poisoned
what does that mean
Anime poisoned is when you still have beauty standards in the year 2024.
more like kpop poisononed
Bro, I usually scoff at the chin meme Cinemaphile is obsessed with but those chose actresses with the widest features possible for Azula and Mai.
Legend of Korra was just bad, there's no getting around this.
Did we win anything Zukobros?
Weird direction that feels a bit too bollywood at times. Music is mostly forgettable.
Actors are hit or miss. Sokka and Zuko are good, Aang is alright but mumbles some of his lines, I'm not sold on Katara or Iroh.
>straight lovers get turned into a lesbian couple
as expected of Netflix.
a better Azula.
Unironically more accurate
I can't believe Aang got cucked out of the Cave of Two Lovers.
Are they setting up for Zutara? They seem to be purposely omitting or downplaying a lot of Katara's interactions with Aang (the Cave of Two Lovers, the Fortune Teller, etc.
>can't actually deliver a product interesting enough on its own
>decide to reignite a bunch of millennials childhood shipping arguments for engagement instead
I could believe it
Dear GOD, they're pulling the Korra Gambit again a decade later!
I can't wait for the love triangle to be so bad that Aang and Zuko end up together instead
At this point, it honestly wouldn't surprise me.
did they add any Zuko/Katara interactions? I can't think of any but that would probably be a good indicator, the rest could be chalked up to just cutting stuff and combining episodes where they could.
>downplaying a lot of Katara's interactions with Aang
when the actor playing Aang is a literal child, they're bound to downplay it to avoid grossing viewers out
it works ok in a cartoon, but not in live action with literal children playing the roles.
There's only a three year age difference between the actors of Aang (14) and Katara.(17) Nearly the same different between the actual characters in the cartoon.
and in the context of live action, its creepy. maybe if they get to season 3 and the actor playing aang is 17/18 it won't be, but for now its weird.
>but for now its weird
Your grandparents probably married at 14 and 17. That age gap is not weird, it's absolutely common. Not even 15 and 18 is weird, if the two people are already familiar with each other. An 18 year old doesn't turn into a pedo just because they turned 18 and their underage girlfriend is still underage
>Your grandparents probably married at 14 and 17.
its 2024, when the frick do you think my grandparents were born, the 19th century?
Don’t watch it, just watch the cartoon and continue to pretend that’s all avatar ever was just the last airbender cartoon and nothing else.
Why the frick are they showing Book 2 and Book 3 shit this early?
One of Avatar's greatest strengths is that they were gradual with the world building simce it fits the episodic nature
Modern producers treating episodic shows as long movies is never the right call
They want to get all the cartoon shit out of the way as quickly as possible. Director said they want to focus on a more serious, original story inspired by game of thrones
>Adapt a series.
>Have no interest in the material and would rather make episodes based on an entirely different series.
I Honestly don't understand.
a job is a job
They hire people who care more about 'leaving their own mark" rather than doing a faithful adaption.
>Director said they want to focus on a more serious, original story inspired by game of thrones
no they didnt.
this is some 'they removed Sozin's comet' tier bullshit and then Sozin's comet featured prominently in the first episode.
>Why the frick are they showing Book 2 and Book 3 shit this early?
They are frontloading iconic stuff in order to cash in those memberberries. Problem is, those things became iconic because of the buildup and the pacing.
>Bad acting.
>Costumes look cheap and bad.
>Bad effects.
>Bad lighting
It honestly feels like nobody knows how to light and shoot scenes anymore. How many scenes are there in this series where it's all dimly lit and the characters are barey audible because they're all quiet talking because that's how you show you're a grown up and serious TV show?
They film on these 270degree stages built for making practically all the background CGI. So of course none of it is lit properly. And they end up making it too dark in post.
look cheap and bad.
HOLY FRICK WHY DOES EVERYTHING DO THIS.
Viggo Mortensen wore his Aragorn clothes on hikes and repaired holes himself to give his costume realism. Nowadays every single costume looks brand fricking new. Every modern show does this.
Everything looks like shit because they figure they can just fix it in post except the people they employ to fix it are also crunched to shit
No passion
Zuko's actor carried.
Ozai and Iroh barely in it, but were ok.
Sokka was alright half the time.
Azula was a basic b***h, fricking disgrace.
Rest fricking sucked.
Honestly I don't think any of the actors are bad, the writing just fricking sucks and doesn't allow for the characters to actually have fun together. Instead they just have the characters just tell you their traits. But yes, Zuko's actor stole the show.
I find it hard to hate any of them as well even if they can't act to save their hides. The length of the scenes just doesn't allow for discussions to take place. I can only imaging what the shooting process was like, short scenes, come on set say the line, boom set up next scene. They must have felt disconnected from the greater picture of the project, the scenes are so short and shortsighted, camera close, small sets.
>they can't act to save their hides
maybe I dont think they're that bad since I watched the Percy Jackson show before this. The acting in that show is terribly monotone
>Percy Jackson
can't be any worse than the books
Zuko and Iroh hard carried it in my opinion. Almost their every exchange especially Iroh's actor would have a quick glance or unique expression that tells you everything what he really thinks. Especially loved how he genuinely raised an eyebrow when Zuko said Ozai wouldn't stoop to wanton terrorism in war. It's especially funny because Zuko was actually right in Omashu's case, it was Jet and freedom fighters doing the bombings in NATLA, it's just that Iroh would doubt that regardless of context.
At least Suki is still pure sex
wtf, I didn't know that Toph's VA is pretty
I enjoyed watching most of those with her, but some of the guests were uber cringe.
>but some of the guests were uber cringe.
Just discovered this thing and are speed watching some videos and the comedian guy was creepy af
> comedian guy was creepy af
Link?
and she is also blind like Toph
>11 years old when she voiced Toph
That's some phenomenal performance by the kid.
>The VA was 11
I hate how many times I've imagined Toph's voice talking sexy to me. Now it feels gross
Fricking idiot
Did you really buy the "e-girl isn't really pedo" meme?
I don't really like e-girls very much, I find them gross most of the time, I just really liked Toph specifically.
Smol spunky tomboy who pretends she's a total hardass but will melt when shown love and compassion?
That's like everything I want in a girl right there.
>will melt when shown love and compassion
Huh Anon, Toph's nothing like that. You have become delusional.
Watch Tales of Ba Sing Se.
Normalgay out.
The dialogue is horrible. I don't know how they made it worse than a children's cartoon. Aang having to spell out his motivational for running away out loud has got to be the most hamfisted scene I've seen in a while
The world is getting dumber, anon.
>Sokka and Katara go into the tunnel of love instead
What the frick are they doing
ZUTARA CONFIRMED
Don't feed them.
Eskimos love their family.
I honestly believe it. There is literally no one else their age in the village. No old men for katara because they all went to war, and no other women for sokka
>Shyamalan makes the firebenders pajeets
>Netflix makes Omashuans pajeets
Who did it better?
Netflix seeing as Bumi was always looked like a jeet
The cartoon was good in legendary levels. This live show is boring.
DO NOT LET YOURSELF BE CONVINCED OTHERWISE
Get over yourself, it was better than a lot of other stuff on Nickelodeon but it was always a network cartoon show designed to be watched in self contained 22 minute segments primarily catered towards children.
It didn't invent anything it was doing, any animation they were doing was being done in anime for years and the story was basically Star Wars with more overt Asian influences. There's nothing legendary about it.
You have horrendous taste.
I consume novels, have read a ton, and Avatar is amazing to this day. You just have something wrong with you that prevents you from enjoying it.
>Bro, I read novels and Avatar is amazing
You didn’t refute anything that anon said though. You’re just stating your personal opinion on the show.
The most distinct feature of Avatar is its Asian aesthetics and being fairly unique in western animation in terms of being a martial arts show with bending making it pop out.
it was also a serialized adventure (with some episodic elements) and wasn't a half hour sitcom/gag show
>it was also a serialized adventure
wasn't at all a new thing zoom zoom
serialized adventures in western animation was (and still is) atypical and unusual.
There aren't many animated shows in the west available that feel like a grand adventure ala King Arthur's quest or Lord of the Rings my man.
It's usually episodic crap that can be watched out of order to extreme levels.
One of the few gems we had that did this was Pirates of Dark Water and it was never completed.
And I don't have to refute anything, you don't know anything about animation.
Young Justice did same kind of storytelling more competently
>Young Justice
Now you're just being mean.
Young Justice had horrible writing before the revival and especially after, the frick are you smoking man?
>There aren't many animated shows in the west available that feel like a grand adventure ala King Arthur's quest or Lord of the Rings my man.
zoom zoom zoom
>It's usually episodic crap that can be watched out of order to extreme levels.
You literally just described Book One
That anon is kind of right. The show was good but the writing was not 10/10 or spectacular like you pretend. Also reading novels means nothing when most novels are badly written. You could be reading YA for all we know. I will say there are fantasy books that have characters with so much more depth and those fantasy books are pretty standard genre fiction. Atla is beloved because it comes from a medium where writing is not a priority.
>Wa Shi Tong shows up super early outside of the library
AAAAIIIIIEEEE I’M GOING INSANE
it was good adaptation and the girls are cute. full disclosure, I'm not brainrotten by 2D.
>Iroh wants to frick June in the cartoon
>In the Live Actuon June wants to frick Iroh
Umm?
So was it as good as One Piece live-action?
No, Oda cooked and made the live-action version go hard, blowing everyone away.
Netflix had total control over this and they should NEVER be allowed to cook.
The only reason Juan Piss live action didnt sucked was because of Oda taking the reins so hard he had to delay his own manga.
The makers of the one piece live action are genuine fans, and not the weird fans who get control of a project and slam pointless cameos/references all over the place because they want to basedjak constantly. You know, the fans who go "guys, we really can't frick this up."
It's the spectrum of adaptions. "We hate/don't care about the source material" "We respect the source material" and "We're deranged psychopaths about the material". One piece managed to get the middle ground, this got the first option, and from what I understand that five nights at freddy's movie got the third"
Absolutely not, One Piece is actually something that benefits from trimming the fat of the source material.
>You little peasant. You've found a master, haven't you?
The ONE fricking kino line they actually bring over directly and it doesn't make sense. Pakku didn't teach Katara at all, he only barely let her participate in the battle. This fricking dumpster fire.
They just needed a line to put down the badass woman.
>the small division of soldiers that was meant to be sacrificed became Zuko's ship crew
positively kino
Kind of stupid. Zuko's crew is supposed to hate him. They would show undying loyalty to him if they knew what he did for them.
even if he did what he did id still be pissed hes going around all day after the avatar
homie I'd rather go with the prince on a snipe hunt then die trying to bust down a wall and the like.
This, though to be fair, it didn't make too much sense in the original show either. But having to go on a ship cruise with prince and Iroh is a surefire way to never be sent to the frontlines and other meatgrinders. Sure, a guy who is genuinely ambitious about military career would have problems, but you can sign me the frick up honestly. And I am sure fire nation due to years of war had to have compulsory military service for men.
They had to spend 3 years in the arctic with pre-character development Zuko I'm not shocked they'd prefer the frontlines
(though as soon as they're reassigned there they all immediately die lol).
you all heard little soulja boy during Lu Ten's funeral, right?
>YOU!
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Yes. It's the only emotion I actually felt watching this adaptation.
>no mention of Zhao's complete character change
well now I know I can't trust Cinemaphile's opinion on anything
For me it's the voice, it's not as cool as Jason Isaacs.
>Zhao
So what did they change?
They basically turned Zhao into a bumbling idiot who's Azula's puppet and that she somehow managed to get him promoted all the way to admiral.
>a bumbling idiot who's Azula's puppet
For frick's sake. Zhao was a great antagonist on his own. Frick them for ruining him just to wank Azula. This is the reason introducing her early was a bad idea: you have to justify it by giving her undue influence/presence in early events.
Other than some pacing issues and story changes, it's not half bad.
it's too serious, this remake could've used some comic relief.
I think Sokka was gay for this guy
For some reason, he dies in the live action. I dunno why.
He got thrown of the bridge of a flagship into the arctic ocean while wearing armor in the cartoon and never appeared again. Of course he died.
You see Aang fly alone, by himself like Superman within the first 10 mins of the show without his glider. That was your biggest warning sign right there.
he's not flying, he's floating down to the ground from up high, something he did regularly in the show
Does anyone think the show is good enough?
Maybe it's been a while since i saw the show, and we all know the toon show is a masterpiece, one of the best series ever made in last 20 years.
So it's hard to compare.
But i think the new series is good enough.
And i sort of wonder if people would hate/be hard on this new series no matter what they did or how good it was?
Is this the case?
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
Yeah
>And i sort of wonder if people would hate/be hard on this new series no matter what they did or how good it was?
This is absolutely the case. A lot of it is 'mah childhood' b***hing disguised as crit.
>This is absolutely the case. A lot of it is 'mah childhood' b***hing disguised as crit.
Adapting beloved properties is always a double-edged sword because you're relying on nostalgia in the first place to put butts in seats. Netflix chose to gamble on delivering a product that would evoke fond memories and turn a profit off the AtLA fandom's warmth toward a childhood favourite. If they failed to tap into that warmth and there's more to dislike than love, don't blame the cartoon's fans for b***hing about it.
As long as it’s entertaining, that’s enough. And it is entertaining. I don’t hold Avatar as some holy relic. It was just a fun cartoon almost twenty years ago.
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
No. Good enough for what? If the cartoon is a "masterpiece" to you, then what purpose does a mediocre live action adaptation serve? Of course fans of a superior product will criticize an inferior adaptation. Why settle? It didn't need to be made at all, especially if it doesn't improve on anything.
If you are fundamentally opposed to an adaptation even being made why do you feel the need to whine about it endlessly? Just don’t watch it and move on with your life. A mature person would just say “I am not interested” and move on. An immature person just keeps whining about it endlessly and act like it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened to them.
If someone does something stupid and no one criticizes them, then they won't learn anything. Sure, there's only so much weight that criticisms on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum can carry, but if you're worried about the futility of voicing your opinions here, then why come here in the first place?
>If you are fundamentally opposed to an adaptation even being made
That's a hell of a leap. Adaptations can be worth making. I'm still a little sorry the Shamalama films were a bust. However, as a rule of thumb, a good adaptation should be of equal or greater quality or be in medium distinct from the original. So far, this adaptation only offers #2 by your own admission. But this isn't like adapting book to screen or vice versa. AtLA already existed as an episodic TV show. So what does live action in particular bring to the table versus the cartoon? An adaptation can also give a substantially different version of the narrative, but that's value neutral since there's no guarantee that version will be "good" in comparison to the original.
I notice you didn't answer what it was good enough for. That was a sincere question and I'm curious about your answer.
>So what does live action in particular bring to the table versus the cartoon?
It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise, etc.
It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise
Lol. Lmao even.
It's more accurate to say it attempts to do all those things and doesn't do a good job of any of it.
>It updates it for the medium in terms of tone, does better job of establishing the characters and fleshing out background things related to the plot, it’s more concise, etc.
lmao no it most certainly does not. It WANTS to be more serious than the cartoon but it somehow manages to be less nuanced and more tell don't show than the original children's show. It does the opposite of fleshing out as well because they literally excise a lot of the side stories and detours that do that serve that very purpose. They also fricked up the pacing by lacking restraint and wanting to introduce all the big name moments/characters, it completely neuters any sense of build up.
Adaptations are always challenged by the comparison to the source material. That's just the nature of the beast. When it's an adaptation of a book or comic, then just having motion visuals is a big enough addition to cut you a fair amount of slack. You have to screw up quite a bit to really disappoint people. But when you're going from one full motion visual medium to another (i.e. animation to live action), you don't get that kind of slack because you're not fundamentally adding as much. You have to have a good answer for the question of "Why should I watch this instead of just rewatching the original show?".
In this case, the show doesn't really have a good answer. It doesn't feel like its improving on anything. It just feels like a weaker version of something already good.
>You have to screw up quite a bit to really disappoint people
My dude, people get assblasted just because the actor’s hair or eye colour is different from the way it’s described in the book. Shit, some people were complaining about Hunger Games movie having a non-white character DESPITE the character already being black in the books. You’re seriously downplaying how insane and b***hy fanboys are when it comes to any kind of a change they notice or especially today just think is “woke propaganda” alteration. If Jackie Brown was made today people would throw tantrums about Tarantino race swapping the character.
>In this case, the show doesn't really have a good answer. It doesn't feel like its improving on anything.
It’s far more serious and mature, which benefits the live action environment and the characters. The cartoon being too childishly goofy and jokey (because it was aimed at kids) was always one of the things that you just had to endure in the early parts of the show.
Pedants are always going to be disappointed no matter what. You can discard their opinions. A really shit adaptation disappoints even the regular people with its changes.
I'm a regular person and I like the Netflix show well enough. I actually like the increased focus on Fire Nation political intrigue and infighting.
I'm a regular person and I didn't like the Netflix show. I felt like it traded off a lot of what made the original show good and gave very little in return.
Well that’s your opinion. My opinion is that it’s a good live action adaptation. I guess we are at an impasse.
>I felt like it traded off a lot of what made the original show good
that's a fan boy answer, I'm doubting your 'regular person' credentials.
>if you like the original show more than the adaptation, you're a fan boy
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
Nope. I tried multiple times but kept turning it off because of how cringe and terrible it was.
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
No, its a live action remake.
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
Not at all. I'm of the opinion that adapting from a cartoon to live action is moronic and inherently limiting.
>adapting from a cartoon to live action is moronic and inherently limiting
It really is a questionable choice for action and fantasy shows. Good animated fights aren't cheap or easy either. But on top of the shared need for competent storyboarding/choreography/direction a live action bender fight introduces even more potential points of failure (mostly the limitations of live actors).
It's not impossible to make it look good, but it's not something you can cheap out on or half-ass without every cut corner standing out like a sore thumb, whereas animation has developed all kinds of cheats to make scenes look good without quadrupling the effort.
>Does anyone think the show is good enough?
No, without the nostalgia or knowledge of the precious show, this shit falls flat
The robots will take over these shows one day.
Adding a profile picture to cleverbot is really all it takes to entertain you?
Never watched it, don't want to.
>Mother of Faces out of nowhere
Damn, didn’t think they’d pull stuff from the comics.
But what's the point? The comic and mother of faces existed to address the criticism of Ursa's treatment of Azula and abandonment of her kids. The show won't touch any serious topic. It's not going to have a mother say she was dogshit and failed her kids. It's not going to have Ursa recognizing she intentionally neglected Azula.
Realistically without the source material this is a 4/10 show that is just bad. There's absolutely nothing in it that's better than the original. I don't understand why anyone would watch it over the original and why it exists.
Threadly reminder Cinemaphile will defend ANYTHING
I've only watched the first couple of episodes and it's a mixed bag so far. I like most of the actors. Iroh is really good. The sets and fight scenes look way better than the Shyamalan movie. Zuko's scar is downplayed - it should really look more ugly and more gnarly. They tried to pretty him up too much. There are some minor story changes. When Aang sees the devastation at the air temple, he goes into the Avatar state. In the animated version, Katara is the one who brings him out of it. In the live action, he brings himself out of it. It's small, but it's a missed opportunity to show how much their connection means to him. In Suki's village, the training montage between Sokka and Suki is more romantic. Avatar Kyoshi has a bigger role. They bring Azula in a lot sooner. The animated version is still a lot better but so far, I don't hate this.
>but it's a missed opportunity to show how much their connection means to him
They only met like fifteen minutes ago. They barely have a connection yet.
It's still better to have her be the one who brings him out of it. It shows that he's still learning to control his powers and he needs other people around him.
>It shows that he's still learning to control his powers and he needs other people around him.
The show already makes that very clear. It’s entirely redundant to keep repeating it over and over.
Thinking about it cartoon Sokka looks kind of brazilian more than anything else.
Harubros…
They're trying to condense way too much material into 8 episodes. They're even bringing in S2 stuff.
The fun part of this is you know all those fake avatar projects they announced, like the zuko movie, or the adult gaang movie, even that earth bending avatar series?
Yeah, they're never gonna be made.
Well the adult gaang movie is coming in 2025. What baffles me is what’s taking them so damn long to produce content. Even the comics have grinded to a halt.
How does this compare to the one piece live action?
Because I thought that was great.
I thought OP was bad and I think this is much worse. Take that as you will.
One Piece was better.
Not as good
One Piece live action made changes that felt necessary for brevity (ie cutting out the Don Krieg fight)
Avatar changed shit for no reason like
>Omashu was founded by two lesbians
>Azula is an overeager hothead wanting to prove herself
>Lots of Roku's scenes in the original were removed (like him possessing Aang)
>Katara needs no training from Pakku to master anything
>Aang straight up not fricking learning waterbending at all while going to the Poles and he doesn't even learn it while he is there
But some good new scenes were added in like
>Aang making a small cairn for Gyatso
>Zuko comforting Iroh after the death of Lu Ten
>Zuko having a chance to hit Ozai with a fireball but not doing it out of compassion
Avatar changed basically everything for no reason
I'm not even sure how to comprehensibly criticize it, where to bite first? There's a problem with the editing and the cuts which makes character moments feel like infodumps, they're dumping the script raw on screen. I can even see Zuko's actor trying hard to emote and convey but it's not coming through because i think they're blowing through the scenes too fast.
I'm not used to watching netflix stuff.
The ships look cool. They forgot to show that Zuko's ship is smaller than everyone else's but, good design?
They're explaining the details of the current situation again since they didn't give the necessary info to understand it and simply cold-cut to this part of the story.
I'm worried they might have forgotten that Zuko is not a side character, he was co-protagonist.
>aang at kyoshi island
>i know i don't belong here..it's something i've been feeling a lot lately
No you haven't, there's been no scene of you feeling that. See that's the kind of problems i'm having can't go 2 minutes without some detail jutting out.
>I’m nitpicking things to death so I can’t enjoy anything
Maybe you should do some self-improvement on that front
I'm not doing it, i'm seeing it, it jumps out. I'm merely watching and my brain is connecting dots as a result. I'm not digging anything out.
>just turn off your brain bro
>don't question, just consume
Kys
I'm so tired of modern fantasy shows trying to adopt an adult aesthetic while treating the audience like children
>the showrunner wants it to be like GoT
>Netflix has it rated as TV-PG
>ywn get a LA Suki topless scene
what's the fricking point of this thing if we can't even get hapa boobies out of it.
It never ceases to amaze me how people are apparently so illiterate and stupid today they can’t understand anything anymore. Or then they purposefully choose to misconstrue to get an excuse to complain about something.
I don't think TV writers learned literally anything from GoT other than that sex and violence sells even if it's moronic and makes no sense
having watched the whole thing the single worst decision was probably to introduce Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee so early. They pull so much screentime away from the rest of the show for literally no benefit since they never once interact with Zuko or the heroes. She could have just been introduced in season 2 the same way she was in the show. Second worst was probably having Bumi just say who he was right away.
Introducing characters early means they don’t have to spent so much time establishing them later when they have more impact on the storyline. Foreshadowing the family dynamics when they start interacting directly also isn’t bad.
As a trade off the entire rest of the main cast ended up being underdeveloped though
Not true at all
You can't seriously think they didn't gut all of them
They didn’t. They did in fact get plenty of character development in the space they had.
It was done to the detriment of the rest of the season. The romance between Sokka and Yue, the main trio spending essentially no time together to believably bond, Katara and Aang's waterbending progression, and more could have benefited from more screentime. And it's not like Azula is a character that requires that much establishment, she's Zuko's cold, calculating, and deadly little sister. Her first scene in the show instantly shows what she's all about. Pretty much everything after that before she meets team Avatar is just gathering her sidekicks, which can easily be cut.
Commander Zhao plays the goa'uld music sting.
HEY, agni kai. Hey wait up! Damn..
>People are actually taking this remake seriously
Childhood is liking TLA. Adulthood is realizing Korra is the better series.
I figure you didn't mean much by this so i'll add unto your post that the mature, darker more serious cartoon for young adults treated its themes and character motivations in a juvenile and infantile manner compared to the cartoon for 13yearolds with fart jokes and boing sound effects.
Childhood is loving ATLA and shitting on Korra.
Adulthood is liking ATLA despite its shortcomings, and realizing Korra is even shittier than you thought.
but korra is more childish than tla
theres a farting airbender kid in korra
The farting toddler isn't why LoK is childish, it's because the pathos of almost every character from Korra to Tenzin to Lin and the other Toph's kids, and Zaheer, and Amon or his brother or Jinora or Asami revolves around struggling with a parental sort of authority, rebelling against it and being punished for it then disregarding it to cry freedom. This is about as far as the thematics go in Legend of Korra.
You're thinking of young adolescence. Adulthood is realising TLA was better and Korra wasted the potential the series had.
It was a mistake to make General Zhao so goofy and less threatening.
>sometimes hope can be a cruel thing
>hope is something you give yourself it's the meaning of inner strength
Which is it Uncle?
Both.
Why isn't Azula's fire blue anymore?
Is it just the wardrobe or is there a whole lot of body positivity in this?
This is gonna be the most nitpicked piece of media in history
For a board about cartoons you frickers really like to say shit LA is better than your cartoons
Has anyone in this thread actually said that?
Me
Why is every Netflix show so ugly? I don't mean the actors, I mean the lighting, blocking and colour grade. They look like parody skits from a low budget sketch comedy despite all the money thrown at them.
Dark Crystal looked good.
Color grading, poor camera work, abusing the field of focus, awkward close ups and bad editing.
The controversy is months old but I think it turned out that it wasn't his family
I wasn't referring to Millennials..
Aang didn't train even 1 minute of waterbending every big fight he had he got away with Deus Ex Machina.
Azula is a happa
Apologize. Right now.
no, even if they're both bad the netflix show still shits on shamalama's film
The way I see it is that the movie is funny bad whereas the show is boring bad. Technically the Netflix show is better but way less entertaining
Why didn't they just make it good? It couldn't have been that hard. I'm so confused.
In Omashu the carts slide uphill inside the ramps but that's not how it works. The CG studio weren't told. Like hunting for boom mics incidents but on easy mode, finding these little mistakes, they're everywhere in this.
The music...
The first episode is awful, but everything they did add is really good.
Why are normies obsessed with adapting stories that worked perfectly fine in 2d to inferior live action shows and movies?
They seem to think it's a medium change, when it's in fact just a glorified visual style change.
Ok so there are these people who work on entertaiment, they can be idenitified by their lack of soul and love money.
They look for popular IPs because making something new requires a soul and the devil already has a monopoly on buying those.
Existing IPs come with an audience and brand recognition so it's less risky which makes shareholders happy (more money = more infant blood, yay!)
Then most people who still pay subscriptions don't really care what they watch as long as there's something on. They don't share your autistic apretiation for niche creative interests.
In fact, most of them "watch" TV while looking at their phone too.
>In fact, most of them "watch" TV while looking at their phone too.
+talking about other shit during it
+doing chores
+or watch it on their phone at 2x speed
And then they ask why people like movie theaters...
Because they still think cartoon are for kids and grow up like them need to watch live action
Because they can't move on from their childhood but also are somewhat aware cartoons are for babies and view live action as the mature medium. So they want to keep clinging to stuff they enjoyed as kids under the pretense its a "real show" now.
the worst part of the show is that Aang didn't even learn waterbending...
How is it compared to the movie?
More faithful than the movie but it really doesn't cut it and it's not faithful either.
Furthermore it doesn't stand on its own merits and i think that is the most damning criticism, not that it doesn't respect the source material but that as its own show it's not well executed.
None of these young actors are going to make it big, all of them lack talent.
Katara is bad. She wasn't a pushover. In the cartoon she is motherly, bossy and has a temperament.
The writers wrote the Ember Island Katara
>take a female character and make her a powerful badass fighter ASAP
>take away the mothering dynamic that gave her more social authority in the group
Modern writers hate women, water is wet.
>basedku completely ignored for girl power kyoshi
why didn't they just make korra if they want badass girl boss flying around beating people up?
Because Korra is none of those things, she's a jobber
The realities of Korra are multiple, she can boss or she can job depending on which crystal is used to perform the watching ritual.
Roku appears later in the show to help Aang to deal with Koh.
What does Ozai know about loss?
Mechanist from Omashu built the drill for the fire nation
Jet does nothing wrong
Lotta more people getting burned alive in this version
Iroh is a butthole.
He pretty much insulting an earth kingdom soldier & disregarding his own actions at Ba Sing Se is
real kids can't do those kinds of acrobatic stunts they did in the show
Cartoon characters can. Maybe they should just make Avatar a cartoon show?
As long as the voice actors are also of the same ethnic origin as the characters.
With a little help from off-camera trampolines and shit, they can. But only if they're baby Olympic gymnasts or top-tier martial artists in their age bracket. How many of those kids can act, or even want to?
>toph is such a bawd in the show that makes ever porn comics canon
based?
>toph has three fathers and is a terrible mother
I refuse to accept Korra as canon.
AI-Filters: The Last AIbender
Is this one of those "one season split in two" deals?
No, not only do they try to cram in most of season 1, they also shove in some bits from season 2 like the Cave of Two Lovers (who are turned into lesbians of fricking course)