Or and hear me out here anon. Avatar had this thing called nuance when tackling topics . Something that is missing from a lot of media that tackles these kinda of topics .
There was a time when "feminist" was just a character trait, anon. It was just something that someone was, like a quirk.
That was before the whole world went schizo-neurotic, though.
>actually wants to marry a woman so she could take something from you
no thanks i'll stick to just pump and dumping like a real man, you fricking pooftah
>if someone I don't like came up with it, it doesn't exist
Is this that legendarily logical male brain at work?
>actually wants to marry a woman so she could take something from you
no thanks i'll stick to just pump and dumping like a real man, you fricking pooftah
If you don't think Katara was an A-list fighter by the end of the show you obviously didn't watch it. Meanwhile Sokka had to burn through girlfriends and animal companions to stay relevant.
>If you don't think Katara was an A-list fighter by the end of the show you obviously didn't watch it. >Chick given one of the most moronicly overpowered abilities ends up an A list fighter while he powerless brother is capable as frick despite having to EARN it when all she had to do was practice her hydro cannon a few times.
Yeah anon, totally the same. GRRRL power n shit yo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Given
She had to learn everything too bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
She also literally only used it against one guy who wasn’t in the final fight
She fricked over Azula with normal water-bending
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She had to learn everything too bro
Oh right, there was me thinking she was born with magic water powers and he wasn't. Howcome Sokka didn't just learn water bending too then? You dumb frick learn to read bro.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Chick given one of the most moronicly overpowered abilities ends up an A list fighter while he powerless brother is capable as frick despite having to EARN it when all she had to do was practice her hydro cannon a few times. >Somehow still belongs in the kitchen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know for a fact Sokka would be a househusband and Katara would wear the pants in her relationship. Sokka was a simp for any chick that would give him the time of day. Dude was just Brock 2.0 and he was a little b***h househusband too.
I like that Cinemaphile has been just as brainwashed but by the right at this point. You people are literally doing just what they want by becoming more and more radicalized but of course you eagerly eat it out of their buttholes
And he was right. I’m fine with women doing whatever they want, but now kids are getting messed up in the head with no guidance because their parents are both working all day.
Then the media comes in and groom them.
One parent should at least stay home to take care of their children and do housework.
What, the whole show isn't good because it very rarely included some minor 2000s era feminism?
It's only overt in a handful of episodes with Sokka being sexist until episode 4, and the Northern Water Tribe not teaching women how to fight.
Outside of that it doesn't come up. Well you could argue that having some of the best benders on the show be Azula, Katara, and Toph is pretty feminist. But that is also just in universe magic and also just playing around with characters.
I mean would anyone here rather see women warriors in shows be ugly, bruised, and super muscular and masculine?
>Wish media actually showed women for the incompetent shit that they truly are. And how they ruin civilization with their undeserved rights.
This.
Women belong in the kitchen only.
Historically women only got involved in hunting and war when there weren't enough men to fill the ranks.
There's no such thing as sexism you moron.
Women are inferior and came up with it to deflect, you're fricking brainwashed.
Sure whatever; Im just saying that if the concept of gender equality is your metric to say something was never good then basically nothing that has come after the 20th century has been good.
>Sure whatever; Im just saying that if the concept of gender equality is your metric to say something was never good then basically nothing that has come after the 20th century has been good.
That's objectively correct.
Most work in the world doesn't involve cooking or hunting or fighting.
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Anonymous
Most non-domestic work in the world used to be done exclusively by men. This is why the whole feminism argument started in the first place; after industrialization it became harder and harder to justify women staying at home despite so many new jobs being out there that they could perform.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is the incel fantasy I was talking about. In reality it wasn't women staying at home while the men went to their 9-to-5 job. That's a 1950s thing, very recent.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, and: the idea that domestic work is something very trivial and unimportant is a recent invention.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the notion that women being barred from getting jobs is an incel fantasy? surely you are not this moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, it is an incel fantasy. Incels think that 1950s American suburbia is what the world was always like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Suburbia didnt invent the gendered divide in work tho.
You know that women wasted most of their day washing clothes before the invention of the first washing machines right? It was a big precursor to feminism
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nobody said that suburbia invented sex differences.
>You know that women wasted most of their day washing clothes before the invention of the first washing machines right?
"Wasted." As if domestic work was some distraction that kept women occupied. Your idea of life in the past is completely butchered.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nobody said that suburbia invented sex differences.
Then stop implying it
>"Wasted." As if domestic work was some distraction that kept women occupied.
Wasted in the context that it prevented the women who wanted to do something else from doing it.
>Your idea of life in the past is completely butchered.
You don't even substantiate any of your points; You just nuh-huh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't imply it, at all.
>Wasted in the context that it prevented the women who wanted to do something else from doing it.
Except that this is just a scenario that you made up, and it's also entirely ahistorical to think that men could just do whatever they wanted.
>You don't even substantiate any of your points
It's obviously ridiculous to dismiss domestic work hundreds of years ago as some fluff that kept the womenfolk busy while the men did the things that matter. You don't know anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I didn't imply it, at all.
Yes you did, your narrative is that suddenly american suburbia decided that women don't belong in factories or office jobs. It couldn't possibly have come out of anywhere else.
>Except that this is just a scenario that you made up, and
So you don't believe that women were expected to do the laundry? You think they all did it because they wanted to?
>it's also entirely ahistorical to think that men could just do whatever they wanted.
Compared to women they had much more liberties, are you really gonna pretend they didn't just to stick to your guns? You are the one who sounds like an incel.
>It's obviously ridiculous to dismiss domestic work hundreds of years ago as some fluff that kept the womenfolk busy while the men did the things that matter.
I never judged one as more worthy than the other
2 years ago
Anonymous
The incel fantasy of a world where women are strictly confined to menial housework while men go off to do their exciting and important 9-to-5 jobs comes from 1950s American surburbia. Not once did I so much as imply that sex differences were invented then. That's something you made up.
>So you don't believe that women were expected to do the laundry?
As you know, I never said that. Your scenario is that that's all women did, which is of course not true.
>Compared to women they had much more liberties
They may have had more liberties, but reality is more complicated than feminist strawmen where everything is men vs. women. There were classes, there were rich and poor people, and there were responsibilities that had to be fulfilled.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a world where women are strictly confined to menial housework while men go off to do their exciting and important 9-to-5 jobs comes from 1950s American surburbia
You are the only one who is describing it as such, no one ever said anything about one being more exciting or important than the other; In fact its a common sexist talk point to say that women were perfectly content, happy and entertained at home and thus didn't need any laws to allow them to get a paid job, even during the great depression.
>Your scenario is that that's all women did, which is of course not true.
The vast majority of them did, exceptions don't challenge the rule, they prove it.
> There were classes, there were rich and poor people, and there were responsibilities that had to be fulfilled.
Even within classes there was a sharp divide between the liberties and duties women had to abide by vs men. I don't see how this helps your point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again, it's a fantasy that women didn't do anything except housework. Ahistorical. Not real.
>The vast majority of them did, exceptions don't challenge the rule, they prove it.
There was a shitload of different things that needed to be done, not just washing clothes.
>Even within classes there was a sharp divide between the liberties and duties women had to abide by vs men. I don't see how this helps your point.
The feminist portrayal of history as men vs. women is incorrect because it assumes that men had 100% freedoms and could do anything they pleased and were always the superiors of women. Fantasy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Again, it's a fantasy that women didn't do anything except housework. Ahistorical. Not real.
What else did they do?
>There was a shitload of different things that needed to be done, not just washing clothes.
Sure, but I'm sure most of them still fall under the umbrella of domestic work.
>The feminist portrayal of history as men vs. women is incorrect because it assumes that men had 100% freedoms and could do anything they pleased and were always the superiors of women.
Don't misinterpret me, Im not agreeing with the feminist narrative that men are the bad guys of history, especially when women themselves contributed to the formation of the status quo they would later come to revile; Im merely recognizing that for most of our history men had exercised more autonomy than women. How common was the situation in which women had more power than men within their own social class before WW2? I bet its not many.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What else do you think people needed to do back then? Do you think it was housewives and office workers? People had farms and family businesses.
>Sure, but I'm sure most of them still fall under the umbrella of domestic work.
So you admit that there was more work to be done than just washing clothes.
>Im merely recognizing that for most of our history men had exercised more autonomy than women.
Which does not mean that incel or feminist fantasies are true.
>How did this character even get made
Because part of his character development was that he stopped being sexist? That was the whole Kyoshi arc for him
Well, what makes Sokka work has to do with everything you’ve already said
He is a sexist Chad, but as the only non-bender on Team Avatar, Sokka has to constantly prove he belongs there.
Most of the time, he is simply not able to; there are more than a few times Sokka gets fricked over, and this is mostly played for comic relief. He gets humiliated by women, is usually the first to get affected by weird supernatural stuff like pressure points or getting trapped in the spirit world and needing to pee, there was that time Toph buried him, and all he has to defend himself is an admittedly somewhat reliable boomerang against people who can cause explosions with their minds
But the point of Sokka isn’t that he always loses, or that he’s the most capable. The point of him is that his limits have instilled in him a drive to succeed that makes him the most level headed of the group. He is the best thinker not simply because he is very smart, but because he is the most focused; he’s unfettered by Aang’s fear of responsibility, Katara’s bleeding heart, Toph’s thrill-seeking nature, or Zuko’s sense of honor. No matter the situation, Sokka has the clarity of mind to see his goal, where he is, and how to pursue it, and he moves towards it even if it’s uncomfortable. It does not matter to him what he must come face to face with, if he must confront it, he does.
Put another way, Sokka isn’t a great character simply because he has the ability to organize a prison break, put on make-up and girl clothes to learn martial arts, or learned how to smith. Sokka is great because he considered doing anything less to be neglecting a personal responsibility. He’s the same type of man who leads men through wars, picks up spiders with his fingers, and holds down a 9 to 5 to raise his bastard children instead of going off to fulfill his dream of becoming a country music star.
>character says something in their character
Oh no?
We know.
Katara wa simply wrong anon. It wouldn't be until Korra that evert male character not named Tenzin would become worthless
>every male character named Mako
ftfy
Kind of true Tenzin didn't actually job left and right like the others did, especially against equalists he went red tornado on their asses
Varrik did nothing wrong.
Katara was completely right about Sokka there was an entire episode about this
Somewhat
If this came out now Cinemaphile would've hated avatar and it'd been dismissed as woke garbage
its almost like context matters and back in the day people werent sick and tired of feminism
>no, see, it's everyone else's fault that I'm a stupid hateful c**t now
Or and hear me out here anon. Avatar had this thing called nuance when tackling topics . Something that is missing from a lot of media that tackles these kinda of topics .
you just described a modern feminist
I tried watching it, but this line and the godawful voice acting made me stop. It was like I was watching a shitty anime dub.
The first few episodes are a little stilted but it's cause they got actual children to voice child characters. It gets better by episode 3
>they got actual children to voice child characters
i dont get why creators keep making this mistake, same happened to Harvey Beaks
There was a time when "feminist" was just a character trait, anon. It was just something that someone was, like a quirk.
That was before the whole world went schizo-neurotic, though.
He was literally just telling her all women should stay at home and cook.
And he was not wrong
regardless of wherever he was right or wrong thats the literal definition of sexism, its not like she used the word in an hyperbolic way
There's no such thing as sexism you moron.
Women are inferior and came up with it to deflect, you're fricking brainwashed.
>"women are inferior and suck"
>"why don't women wanna marry me?"
>actually wants to marry a woman so she could take something from you
no thanks i'll stick to just pump and dumping like a real man, you fricking pooftah
>pretending to be better than someone while posting on the cartoon and comics board of Cinemaphile
>if someone I don't like came up with it, it doesn't exist
Is this that legendarily logical male brain at work?
>Black personthink
>sexism
s o y b o y
judging by the women he was interacting with up to this point, his opinion was spot on
No it wasn't. She became a much more effective warrior than he can ever hope to be.
Explain?
If you don't think Katara was an A-list fighter by the end of the show you obviously didn't watch it. Meanwhile Sokka had to burn through girlfriends and animal companions to stay relevant.
both water siblings got saved by the plot armor numerous times tho
>If you don't think Katara was an A-list fighter by the end of the show you obviously didn't watch it.
>Chick given one of the most moronicly overpowered abilities ends up an A list fighter while he powerless brother is capable as frick despite having to EARN it when all she had to do was practice her hydro cannon a few times.
Yeah anon, totally the same. GRRRL power n shit yo.
>Given
She had to learn everything too bro
She also literally only used it against one guy who wasn’t in the final fight
She fricked over Azula with normal water-bending
>She had to learn everything too bro
Oh right, there was me thinking she was born with magic water powers and he wasn't. Howcome Sokka didn't just learn water bending too then? You dumb frick learn to read bro.
>Chick given one of the most moronicly overpowered abilities ends up an A list fighter while he powerless brother is capable as frick despite having to EARN it when all she had to do was practice her hydro cannon a few times.
>Somehow still belongs in the kitchen.
You know for a fact Sokka would be a househusband and Katara would wear the pants in her relationship. Sokka was a simp for any chick that would give him the time of day. Dude was just Brock 2.0 and he was a little b***h househusband too.
When all the men left for war she didn’t go with them so clearly he was right
I like that Cinemaphile has been just as brainwashed but by the right at this point. You people are literally doing just what they want by becoming more and more radicalized but of course you eagerly eat it out of their buttholes
She was like 8 when they did
so he was correct?
And that's wrong how?
And he was right. I’m fine with women doing whatever they want, but now kids are getting messed up in the head with no guidance because their parents are both working all day.
Then the media comes in and groom them.
One parent should at least stay home to take care of their children and do housework.
>siblings escalate minor disagreement into full-blown mudslinging shouting match
You're an only child, aren't you
>nut-brained
Is she calling him dumb or a coomer?
both wor well tbqh
>nut-brained
>only character to bust a nut in the whole show
>almost every female character that wasn't his own sister lusted after him
checks out
>the fricking moon
>fricking the moon
>Moon Fricking The
>Moon (does) The Fricking
What, the whole show isn't good because it very rarely included some minor 2000s era feminism?
It's only overt in a handful of episodes with Sokka being sexist until episode 4, and the Northern Water Tribe not teaching women how to fight.
Outside of that it doesn't come up. Well you could argue that having some of the best benders on the show be Azula, Katara, and Toph is pretty feminist. But that is also just in universe magic and also just playing around with characters.
I mean would anyone here rather see women warriors in shows be ugly, bruised, and super muscular and masculine?
SpongeBob was better anyways.
apples and oranges
Based.
When I was a kid, this line flew past my head. Now, I cringe. See what modern society and politics have done to people.
she's just teasing him so he can rape her
yes it was
frick you
>revisionist history
avatar was always beloved on this board until it got popular and now you pretend like it wasn't
classic Cinemaphile behavior
>Wish media actually showed women for the incompetent shit that they truly are. And how they ruin civilization with their undeserved rights.
This.
Women belong in the kitchen only.
It's an ahistorical incel fantasy that in the past women didn't do anything except cooking and child-rearing.
sjw spotted
One does not have to be an SJW to look down on incels.
Don't you have a self hating males circle to attend somewhere?
And don't forget your dilator!
Are you saying that incels are a model of masculinity or something? Silly troony.
>white knights running out of the woodwork to defend muh women on cantonese internet wall scribbles board
that's why you never get any
I didn't "white knight" anywhere, I just stated a fact.
It's a fact and you can't do a thing about it.
Historically women only got involved in hunting and war when there weren't enough men to fill the ranks.
Sure whatever; Im just saying that if the concept of gender equality is your metric to say something was never good then basically nothing that has come after the 20th century has been good.
>Sure whatever; Im just saying that if the concept of gender equality is your metric to say something was never good then basically nothing that has come after the 20th century has been good.
That's objectively correct.
Why do you choose to focus on Avatar in particular then? Theres a lot more critically acclaimed media that show women as equal to men.
That's the kind of stuff "staying in the kitchen" usually refers to. Its not literal (most of the time).
Most work in the world doesn't involve cooking or hunting or fighting.
Most non-domestic work in the world used to be done exclusively by men. This is why the whole feminism argument started in the first place; after industrialization it became harder and harder to justify women staying at home despite so many new jobs being out there that they could perform.
This is the incel fantasy I was talking about. In reality it wasn't women staying at home while the men went to their 9-to-5 job. That's a 1950s thing, very recent.
Oh, and: the idea that domestic work is something very trivial and unimportant is a recent invention.
the notion that women being barred from getting jobs is an incel fantasy? surely you are not this moronic
Yes, it is an incel fantasy. Incels think that 1950s American suburbia is what the world was always like.
Suburbia didnt invent the gendered divide in work tho.
You know that women wasted most of their day washing clothes before the invention of the first washing machines right? It was a big precursor to feminism
Nobody said that suburbia invented sex differences.
>You know that women wasted most of their day washing clothes before the invention of the first washing machines right?
"Wasted." As if domestic work was some distraction that kept women occupied. Your idea of life in the past is completely butchered.
>Nobody said that suburbia invented sex differences.
Then stop implying it
>"Wasted." As if domestic work was some distraction that kept women occupied.
Wasted in the context that it prevented the women who wanted to do something else from doing it.
>Your idea of life in the past is completely butchered.
You don't even substantiate any of your points; You just nuh-huh.
I didn't imply it, at all.
>Wasted in the context that it prevented the women who wanted to do something else from doing it.
Except that this is just a scenario that you made up, and it's also entirely ahistorical to think that men could just do whatever they wanted.
>You don't even substantiate any of your points
It's obviously ridiculous to dismiss domestic work hundreds of years ago as some fluff that kept the womenfolk busy while the men did the things that matter. You don't know anything.
>I didn't imply it, at all.
Yes you did, your narrative is that suddenly american suburbia decided that women don't belong in factories or office jobs. It couldn't possibly have come out of anywhere else.
>Except that this is just a scenario that you made up, and
So you don't believe that women were expected to do the laundry? You think they all did it because they wanted to?
>it's also entirely ahistorical to think that men could just do whatever they wanted.
Compared to women they had much more liberties, are you really gonna pretend they didn't just to stick to your guns? You are the one who sounds like an incel.
>It's obviously ridiculous to dismiss domestic work hundreds of years ago as some fluff that kept the womenfolk busy while the men did the things that matter.
I never judged one as more worthy than the other
The incel fantasy of a world where women are strictly confined to menial housework while men go off to do their exciting and important 9-to-5 jobs comes from 1950s American surburbia. Not once did I so much as imply that sex differences were invented then. That's something you made up.
>So you don't believe that women were expected to do the laundry?
As you know, I never said that. Your scenario is that that's all women did, which is of course not true.
>Compared to women they had much more liberties
They may have had more liberties, but reality is more complicated than feminist strawmen where everything is men vs. women. There were classes, there were rich and poor people, and there were responsibilities that had to be fulfilled.
>a world where women are strictly confined to menial housework while men go off to do their exciting and important 9-to-5 jobs comes from 1950s American surburbia
You are the only one who is describing it as such, no one ever said anything about one being more exciting or important than the other; In fact its a common sexist talk point to say that women were perfectly content, happy and entertained at home and thus didn't need any laws to allow them to get a paid job, even during the great depression.
>Your scenario is that that's all women did, which is of course not true.
The vast majority of them did, exceptions don't challenge the rule, they prove it.
> There were classes, there were rich and poor people, and there were responsibilities that had to be fulfilled.
Even within classes there was a sharp divide between the liberties and duties women had to abide by vs men. I don't see how this helps your point.
Again, it's a fantasy that women didn't do anything except housework. Ahistorical. Not real.
>The vast majority of them did, exceptions don't challenge the rule, they prove it.
There was a shitload of different things that needed to be done, not just washing clothes.
>Even within classes there was a sharp divide between the liberties and duties women had to abide by vs men. I don't see how this helps your point.
The feminist portrayal of history as men vs. women is incorrect because it assumes that men had 100% freedoms and could do anything they pleased and were always the superiors of women. Fantasy.
>Again, it's a fantasy that women didn't do anything except housework. Ahistorical. Not real.
What else did they do?
>There was a shitload of different things that needed to be done, not just washing clothes.
Sure, but I'm sure most of them still fall under the umbrella of domestic work.
>The feminist portrayal of history as men vs. women is incorrect because it assumes that men had 100% freedoms and could do anything they pleased and were always the superiors of women.
Don't misinterpret me, Im not agreeing with the feminist narrative that men are the bad guys of history, especially when women themselves contributed to the formation of the status quo they would later come to revile; Im merely recognizing that for most of our history men had exercised more autonomy than women. How common was the situation in which women had more power than men within their own social class before WW2? I bet its not many.
What else do you think people needed to do back then? Do you think it was housewives and office workers? People had farms and family businesses.
>Sure, but I'm sure most of them still fall under the umbrella of domestic work.
So you admit that there was more work to be done than just washing clothes.
>Im merely recognizing that for most of our history men had exercised more autonomy than women.
Which does not mean that incel or feminist fantasies are true.
But I didn't say anything about hunting or war.
Your mom was never good. She was like a cold pizza slice; better than nothing.
At least in season 1 Katara wore cute skintight leggings
In season 2-3 she has literally no value
She looks best in fire nation clothes so opinion discarded for having 0 taste.
Jump off a duck
>sexist chad
>but smart as frick, comes up with battle plans etc
>girls all over his dick
How did this character even get made, and how did he become one of the most popular?
>sexist chad
He literally got over it by ep like 4. Whatever was the island one.
he's into pegging
>How did this character even get made
Because part of his character development was that he stopped being sexist? That was the whole Kyoshi arc for him
Well, what makes Sokka work has to do with everything you’ve already said
He is a sexist Chad, but as the only non-bender on Team Avatar, Sokka has to constantly prove he belongs there.
Most of the time, he is simply not able to; there are more than a few times Sokka gets fricked over, and this is mostly played for comic relief. He gets humiliated by women, is usually the first to get affected by weird supernatural stuff like pressure points or getting trapped in the spirit world and needing to pee, there was that time Toph buried him, and all he has to defend himself is an admittedly somewhat reliable boomerang against people who can cause explosions with their minds
But the point of Sokka isn’t that he always loses, or that he’s the most capable. The point of him is that his limits have instilled in him a drive to succeed that makes him the most level headed of the group. He is the best thinker not simply because he is very smart, but because he is the most focused; he’s unfettered by Aang’s fear of responsibility, Katara’s bleeding heart, Toph’s thrill-seeking nature, or Zuko’s sense of honor. No matter the situation, Sokka has the clarity of mind to see his goal, where he is, and how to pursue it, and he moves towards it even if it’s uncomfortable. It does not matter to him what he must come face to face with, if he must confront it, he does.
Put another way, Sokka isn’t a great character simply because he has the ability to organize a prison break, put on make-up and girl clothes to learn martial arts, or learned how to smith. Sokka is great because he considered doing anything less to be neglecting a personal responsibility. He’s the same type of man who leads men through wars, picks up spiders with his fingers, and holds down a 9 to 5 to raise his bastard children instead of going off to fulfill his dream of becoming a country music star.
He’s everything a man is supposed to be.
Nice to meet another Sokka-scholar here.
Yeah it was and Katara is right