Who the frick is giving Ridley Scott such enormous budgets when he's a total hack now? There's zero chance they're going to make money off a budget like that.
Money laundering. Approximately 50 mil will go towards the actually movie. Another 50 for marketing. The rest will go straight into the ~~*producers*~~ pockets and help fund their cocaine and Epstein Island ritual parties taking place in the tunnels of New York city.
Gladiator and Black Hawk Down were 24 and 23 years ago respectively. I also quite like Matchstick Men.
Won't argue his filmography is overall dogshit but I don't think he's been a complete hack for 30 years though it's at least twenty now.
Gladiator and Black Hawk Down were 24 and 23 years ago respectively. I also quite like Matchstick Men.
Won't argue his filmography is overall dogshit but I don't think he's been a complete hack for 30 years though it's at least twenty now.
>kingdom of heaven >exodus gods and kings
Only if you're an anti-theist redditor >Hannibal
Was meh >Br2049 >Out of the Furnace
Lel, did he also direct Django Unchaned and Top Gun 2
>lower budget is better
This is just the reality of things. High budget usually means high expectations, lots of meddling from money men, and actual artists getting lost in their own sauce. That's why we can't have nice things.
High budget, to me, also says lots of people fricking around and a lack of a coherent vision. I hear 300+ million, I'm thinking rewrites, reshoots, production delays, people on set stop caring if they ever even did, etc.
smaller budgets mean lower risks to investors, meaning the filmmakers can take more narrative risks, which is what leads to excellence.
a movie that has to make 750 million dollars in order to be a modest success cannot surprise you, because it cannot risk alienating you.
>Caligula's horse was a senator.
The senate were the oligarchy and they destroyed the Roman Republic in the early years. Look up the Secession Of The Plebs for insight.
>Consulship became non-existent after Augustus declared himself Princeps Civitatis.
Nope there were still consuls, they were just rotated out rapidly to spread the prestige around the oligarchy's sons. Highest prestige went to the initial consul in the term because thats how they did their dates for history, "in the consulship of soandso" just him the inital consul was named even if it was one of the rotated-in consuls currently in "power". Also pro-consuls were a thing for the provinces.
Yeah, I'm sure he really looked like the Germanic savages Rome had spent centuries slaughtering and enslaving LOL! Here, have an actual reconstruction. On the house!
fabricated artifacts meant to convey a fabricated history, you will never steal the glory rome, germ
>posts slave faces
lol cope shitskins
you were never Rome >Based on Caesar's surviving statues and description by contemporaries, he was tall for a Roman, with light hair and eyes. He had light skin and blonde hair. The claim that Julius Caesar was black is a common misconception that is often perpetuated by Internet memes and social media posts. There is no historical evidence to support this claim
> light hair and eyes. He had light skin and blonde hair
Nice source dumbfrick. Stormfront is truly reliable lol. You think the Greco-Roman definition of "blonde" was nordcuck flaxen? >The claim that Julius Caesar was black is a common misconception that is often perpetuated by Internet memes and social media posts. There is no historical evidence to support this claim
Who the frick in this thread made such a claim? What is it with /misc/cucks constantly bringing up black men out of nowhere? Project your fetish elsewhere Sven.
white people are a historical until the dark ages, traveling pigs provoking civil societies that were sometimes kidnapped, enlsaved or forced to act in a amphitheater play a novelty barbarian if the script required it
Yeah, I'm sure he really looked like the Germanic savages Rome had spent centuries slaughtering and enslaving LOL! Here, have an actual reconstruction. On the house!
I don't know shit about this though so maybe the statue is fake, otherwise the first dude looks closer.
the sun, a shared symbol of mans reunification with the gods, ambitions of transcendence reflecting itself on their exterior.
the germnaic seeks the material, spiritually effeminate, as Kali Yuga is the feminine principle superimposing itself on the masculine, you have a spiritual vegana
No movie made today will be worth 310 million.
It's impossible.
There hasn't been a critically acclaimed movie without critics being bought over for over a decade.
That's why the frick Cinemaphile is a meme board and not an actual board for tv and film.
Because no one gives a single frick about movies anymore.
The only actual joy I see from this board that's tv related is fricking Svengoolie threads.
Other than that it's just people that love to hate shit.
Wait, I lied, there is joy I see in this board but it's in druk threads that turn into a circle jerk of drunk losers sharing their favorite songs from the early 2000s.
Speaking of which, I'm drunk and I'm ready, I got Lips of an Angel playing now.
There's still no news from cast or crew regarding what the story entails, what big spectacles are in it, or how it will be different than the original. Not even a quote from the lead or Pedro Pascal lauding it. Given how Napoleon turned out, this is not looking good.
>15 years after Maximus’s death. >Emperor Severus dies and his sons Geta (Fred Hechinger) and Caracalla (Joseph Quinn) become co-emperors, Caracalla is seething. >Lucilla (Connie Nielsen) is a member of the Roman Senate, and Geta and Caracalla’s mentor. She sent Lucius (Paul Mescal) away for his own protection following Commodus’s death. >Lucius resented Lucilla for abandoning him and ran away. He now lives in a nearby province with his lover Cecilia (May Calamawy). >Caracalla raids the village for slaves and abducts Cecilia. Lucius approaches gladiator trainer Atticus (Denzel Washington) to help him infiltrate Rome as a gladiator to rescue Cecilia. >Caracalla kills Geta and violently oppresses the people of Rome, causing both Lucilla and the Senator as well as Macrinus (Pedro Pascal), the leader of the Praetorian Guard, to conspire against him. >Lucilla finds out Lucius is alive and urges him to embrace Maximus’s legacy and lead the uprising against Caracalla.
I really hope they refined this since then because this sounds like the usual action move slop plot.
>omg nobody knows I exist but if I just walk into Rome, a bustling city of tens of thousands, I'll be recognized by....by someone! and killed! >I got it, I'll become a gladiator...for...for some reason? and infiltrate Rome that way! >I COULD just walk in...but....but risking my life in deadly combat is...LE VIRTUOUS...somehow... >look at us, we're the Praetorian Guard, we've literally killed dozens of emperors but just walking up to them in a room and stabbing them to death but we need this random incest kid we don't anything about to help us because....because a guy dies 15 years ago!
Ridley Scott is absolutely convinced that his """interpretation""" of history is more interesting than what actually happened. Kingdom of heaven, Gladiator and Napoleon are all examples of this.
A woman is a senator??
An emperor raids a Roman town to acquire slaves??
It was literally illegal for a Roman citizen to be enslaved. Even if you fell into debt and gave up your freedom as collateral, any magistrate could have you emancipated because that contract would have been considered fraud. Even if you were a freeborn Roman citizen who got captured by pirates or bandits and enslaved, you could be emancipated at any time by a magistrate & most potential owners wouldn't buy you in case you were actually a citizen, in which case they would be in deep shit for holding a Roman citizen in bondage.
Even in the first film, all Maximus had to say when he was in the slave caravan/market in Africa was "hey you fricks I'm a Roman citizen all of you will be crucified as bandits if you don't rat each other out to the local Roman government"
>invent technology designed to make things easier, faster, more efficient to do than before >industry still finds a way to balloon budgets
really does make the testicles tickle
It might have worked if they'd gotten that full moron sequel where Maximus was sent back from the afterlife to assassinate Jesus and given immortality when he succeeded and eventually worked for the Pentagon off the ground a decade ago, but not this generic slop
The only memorable parts of the first movie are Crowe and Phoenix and they're both dead so what exactly supposed to be the selling point of the movie beyond literally just the title? They didn't even bring back Djimon Hounsou
After seeing these massive budgets it's bizarre how Oppenheimer's budget was just 100m. He could have easily gotten 200 if he had wanted too. Maybe they were able to keep the actor wages down by them wanting a piece of the awards action.
Nolan cut the filming schedule down by almost half to say money instead of compromising on actors or locations/sets. They shot it real fast with a lower margin for error.
Actors have spoken about how quickly Nolan works. He just gets the mechanics of film so well and is so efficient. No wonder his crew loves him cause he doesn't waste anyone's time.
The only time I think I've noticed sloppiness is those action scenes in TDKR where a bunch of them were clearly first takes with visible continuity errors and wrong angles
>Napoleon had to make $600 million to break-even with a $200 million budget >Ridley and producers are now at $300 million budget with this
THE CON IS ON
People keep acting ignorant about this like he wasn’t shooting a big budget epic when the biggest strike in decades hit mid shoot and dragged things out by half a year. No shit the budget blew up, it’s not exactly Ridley Scott’s fault.
It might break even if it's HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL MOVIE EVER
Hint: it won't be
Look there's value to accepting that a movie doesn't have to make money if you just want something prestige or notable to get made but jesus someone is going to be bleeding for this one.
gladiator is overrated trash. People have nostalgia but Joaquin phoenix is absolute dogshit in the movie the entire 3rd act is dumb as hell. Like most ridley scott trash. You can also tell oliver reed is being dubbed in a few scenes since he died.
Gladiator hit harder because of the GWOT kicking off and Patriot Act. They have to besmirch that with a mid or worse time travel multiverse bullshit rendering of the Nick Cave script. We'll be lucking if it's even Wrath of the Titans tier shlock.
>just another pozzed deconstruction filled with non-whites & stronk whamen
I'll just download the old Gladiator in 4k instead just like I did with Dune.
Wow so it's going to lose even more money!
Why are studios still giving Ridley money at this point? Hasn't he been extensively exposed as a hack by now? I mean they figured this out with Emmerich too and didn't fund his shitfest
Why should I care?
Who the frick is giving Ridley Scott such enormous budgets when he's a total hack now? There's zero chance they're going to make money off a budget like that.
Money laundering. Approximately 50 mil will go towards the actually movie. Another 50 for marketing. The rest will go straight into the ~~*producers*~~ pockets and help fund their cocaine and Epstein Island ritual parties taking place in the tunnels of New York city.
how exactly does the money get laundered though?
ridley killed his brother in a sacrifice in order to save his career
And his movies still suck.
Nobody else know how to make an epic in hollywood anymore so they keep hoping Scott can make one.
>now
He hasn't made a good movie in more than 30 years.
Gladiator and Black Hawk Down were 24 and 23 years ago respectively. I also quite like Matchstick Men.
Won't argue his filmography is overall dogshit but I don't think he's been a complete hack for 30 years though it's at least twenty now.
The Duel was great you homosexuals
Shut up, homosexual.
no u gayet
>the prostitute's perspective
kingdom of heaven
exodus gods and kings
out of the furnace
hannibal
blade runner 2049
cope harder jidf, scott is god's director
GOD WILLS IT
>kingdom of heaven
>exodus gods and kings
Only if you're an anti-theist redditor
>Hannibal
Was meh
>Br2049
>Out of the Furnace
Lel, did he also direct Django Unchaned and Top Gun 2
Out Of The Furnace is on my Rust Belt Kino list
I love Ridley Scott and will defend him to the end but he didn’t direct two of those
He hasn't made a good movie since Alien
who the frick is betting their money on ridley scott?
>lower budget is better
This is why we can’t have nice things
>lower budget is better
This is just the reality of things. High budget usually means high expectations, lots of meddling from money men, and actual artists getting lost in their own sauce. That's why we can't have nice things.
if the movie comes out it doesn't fricking matter unless you're expecting a gladiator 3
High budget, to me, also says lots of people fricking around and a lack of a coherent vision. I hear 300+ million, I'm thinking rewrites, reshoots, production delays, people on set stop caring if they ever even did, etc.
It's not "lower budget better" it's "obscenely high budget that will consign the movie to financial failure bad"
smaller budgets mean lower risks to investors, meaning the filmmakers can take more narrative risks, which is what leads to excellence.
a movie that has to make 750 million dollars in order to be a modest success cannot surprise you, because it cannot risk alienating you.
romans were golden and bronze, not pink
frick this movie and its vain humilation attempt at mockery
not watching
How do you figure?
it's literally just some schizo black nationalist moron who keeps spamming out of context shit, pay him no heed.
romans were human, not npcs
LOL
we wuz shit-hued Greekz, cuz
certianly not swine hued golems, go dick ride another species, slobbering homosexual
Lol, so have Norducks finally quit we wuzzing as Greeks?
Alexander The Great was blonde. They all came from the steppe, Yamnaya aka Bell Beaker Culture migration
>Romans were Golden
>Posts pictures of Greeks
What did he mean by this?
>horses can be senators but women can't
Or was the horse appointed consul? I can't remember, it's late.
Caligula's horse was a senator. Consulship became non-existent after Augustus declared himself Princeps Civitatis.
made up story by his enemies
>Caligula's horse was a senator.
The senate were the oligarchy and they destroyed the Roman Republic in the early years. Look up the Secession Of The Plebs for insight.
>Consulship became non-existent after Augustus declared himself Princeps Civitatis.
Nope there were still consuls, they were just rotated out rapidly to spread the prestige around the oligarchy's sons. Highest prestige went to the initial consul in the term because thats how they did their dates for history, "in the consulship of soandso" just him the inital consul was named even if it was one of the rotated-in consuls currently in "power". Also pro-consuls were a thing for the provinces.
five seas advisory. if i capsize on your
cope you fricking Black person
fabricated artifacts meant to convey a fabricated history, you will never steal the glory rome, germ
The shittiest reconstruction ever
>40 minutes later and this was the best they could do
honored you made the effort
>Doesn't even attempt to debunk it
Kek. Either you're autistic and suck at facial recognition or you're just blind
why is finnish nhl player patrik laine in this pic lmao
Yeah, I'm sure he really looked like the Germanic savages Rome had spent centuries slaughtering and enslaving LOL! Here, have an actual reconstruction. On the house!
That's definitely what I imagine him to look like. Not a fricking snowBlack person kek
>posts slave faces
lol cope shitskins
you were never Rome
>Based on Caesar's surviving statues and description by contemporaries, he was tall for a Roman, with light hair and eyes. He had light skin and blonde hair. The claim that Julius Caesar was black is a common misconception that is often perpetuated by Internet memes and social media posts. There is no historical evidence to support this claim
> light hair and eyes. He had light skin and blonde hair
Nice source dumbfrick. Stormfront is truly reliable lol. You think the Greco-Roman definition of "blonde" was nordcuck flaxen?
>The claim that Julius Caesar was black is a common misconception that is often perpetuated by Internet memes and social media posts. There is no historical evidence to support this claim
Who the frick in this thread made such a claim? What is it with /misc/cucks constantly bringing up black men out of nowhere? Project your fetish elsewhere Sven.
white people are a historical until the dark ages, traveling pigs provoking civil societies that were sometimes kidnapped, enlsaved or forced to act in a amphitheater play a novelty barbarian if the script required it
>Posts famous cuck voshart's notoriously shitty reconstructions
Everyone in the historical art community knows how badly he's mogged by Tomasi
This looks way closer to the statue than
I don't know shit about this though so maybe the statue is fake, otherwise the first dude looks closer.
Anglos are the most egregious we wuzers alongside Black folk
maybe in North Africa lol you fricking stupid troony
the sun, a shared symbol of mans reunification with the gods, ambitions of transcendence reflecting itself on their exterior.
the germnaic seeks the material, spiritually effeminate, as Kali Yuga is the feminine principle superimposing itself on the masculine, you have a spiritual vegana
those are just israelites, actual Levantine israelites not ashkenazi imposters.
arent these those fayum portraits from egypt
No movie made today will be worth 310 million.
It's impossible.
There hasn't been a critically acclaimed movie without critics being bought over for over a decade.
That's why the frick Cinemaphile is a meme board and not an actual board for tv and film.
Because no one gives a single frick about movies anymore.
The only actual joy I see from this board that's tv related is fricking Svengoolie threads.
Other than that it's just people that love to hate shit.
Wait, I lied, there is joy I see in this board but it's in druk threads that turn into a circle jerk of drunk losers sharing their favorite songs from the early 2000s.
Speaking of which, I'm drunk and I'm ready, I got Lips of an Angel playing now.
>[Bad News]
Indeed. This is usually a sign that the production has spiralled out of control, and the end product will be a hot mess.
>same writer as Napoleon
Oh, dear.
>Needs $800m to break even
What were they thinking
Not nearly that much. Just the partly sum of 700m.
700m isn't going to do it. They don't keep 100% of the box office and they still need to market it.
There's still no news from cast or crew regarding what the story entails, what big spectacles are in it, or how it will be different than the original. Not even a quote from the lead or Pedro Pascal lauding it. Given how Napoleon turned out, this is not looking good.
The plot allegedly leaked a while ago.
>15 years after Maximus’s death.
>Emperor Severus dies and his sons Geta (Fred Hechinger) and Caracalla (Joseph Quinn) become co-emperors, Caracalla is seething.
>Lucilla (Connie Nielsen) is a member of the Roman Senate, and Geta and Caracalla’s mentor. She sent Lucius (Paul Mescal) away for his own protection following Commodus’s death.
>Lucius resented Lucilla for abandoning him and ran away. He now lives in a nearby province with his lover Cecilia (May Calamawy).
>Caracalla raids the village for slaves and abducts Cecilia. Lucius approaches gladiator trainer Atticus (Denzel Washington) to help him infiltrate Rome as a gladiator to rescue Cecilia.
>Caracalla kills Geta and violently oppresses the people of Rome, causing both Lucilla and the Senator as well as Macrinus (Pedro Pascal), the leader of the Praetorian Guard, to conspire against him.
>Lucilla finds out Lucius is alive and urges him to embrace Maximus’s legacy and lead the uprising against Caracalla.
I really hope they refined this since then because this sounds like the usual action move slop plot.
>omg nobody knows I exist but if I just walk into Rome, a bustling city of tens of thousands, I'll be recognized by....by someone! and killed!
>I got it, I'll become a gladiator...for...for some reason? and infiltrate Rome that way!
>I COULD just walk in...but....but risking my life in deadly combat is...LE VIRTUOUS...somehow...
>look at us, we're the Praetorian Guard, we've literally killed dozens of emperors but just walking up to them in a room and stabbing them to death but we need this random incest kid we don't anything about to help us because....because a guy dies 15 years ago!
A bevy of historical material to work with and they're just doing the same plot beats as the original movie.
Ridley Scott is absolutely convinced that his """interpretation""" of history is more interesting than what actually happened. Kingdom of heaven, Gladiator and Napoleon are all examples of this.
>female senator
I wasn't there so I can't dispute this.
>female senator
i was there and dispute this. i propose a motion
Hot piles, flies and steam. My God how Ridley has fallen...
>literaly gladiator 2: electric boogaloo
>a succulent chinese meal
where gladiator?
A woman is a senator??
An emperor raids a Roman town to acquire slaves??
Where you there? Maybe that's not how it happened but maybe it was.
It was literally illegal for a Roman citizen to be enslaved. Even if you fell into debt and gave up your freedom as collateral, any magistrate could have you emancipated because that contract would have been considered fraud. Even if you were a freeborn Roman citizen who got captured by pirates or bandits and enslaved, you could be emancipated at any time by a magistrate & most potential owners wouldn't buy you in case you were actually a citizen, in which case they would be in deep shit for holding a Roman citizen in bondage.
Even in the first film, all Maximus had to say when he was in the slave caravan/market in Africa was "hey you fricks I'm a Roman citizen all of you will be crucified as bandits if you don't rat each other out to the local Roman government"
The strong female senator is the key to all of this
Wtf is that armor kek
DOOM
Ok, but why is the material so cheap? They couldn't spend a little bit of that dosh on some real metal?
Mf doom
All caps
What's next, Gandhi 2?
>Gandhi gets reincarnated as a sassy genderfluid black kweenavm8a
>captchaposting
OK, enough Cinemaphile for today.
Happens to the best of us, chief, just take another swig and post on. I'm waiting for a comfy thread to talk about and share music
>invent technology designed to make things easier, faster, more efficient to do than before
>industry still finds a way to balloon budgets
really does make the testicles tickle
>Ridley Scott
I couldn't be less interested
M O N E Y L A U N D E R I N G
I think the bigger question here is who the frick thought Gladiator needed a sequel
You know ~~*who*~~ playa.
It might have worked if they'd gotten that full moron sequel where Maximus was sent back from the afterlife to assassinate Jesus and given immortality when he succeeded and eventually worked for the Pentagon off the ground a decade ago, but not this generic slop
I think at this point studio execs are literally throwing darts at a board with names of movies that made money on them to remake
Larry Fink did
>*KASPERE did
Fixed it for you.
moron execs trying to ride on the coattails of Spartacus and HBO's Rome a decade too late.
The only memorable parts of the first movie are Crowe and Phoenix and they're both dead so what exactly supposed to be the selling point of the movie beyond literally just the title? They didn't even bring back Djimon Hounsou
This one has
>Denzel Washington
It's going to be 3 times as big as the original
Devastating news. This crap won’t make over 600m
After seeing these massive budgets it's bizarre how Oppenheimer's budget was just 100m. He could have easily gotten 200 if he had wanted too. Maybe they were able to keep the actor wages down by them wanting a piece of the awards action.
Nolan cut the filming schedule down by almost half to say money instead of compromising on actors or locations/sets. They shot it real fast with a lower margin for error.
You don't really see that in any part of it besides the explosion not being as pretty as it could've been.
Actors have spoken about how quickly Nolan works. He just gets the mechanics of film so well and is so efficient. No wonder his crew loves him cause he doesn't waste anyone's time.
The only time I think I've noticed sloppiness is those action scenes in TDKR where a bunch of them were clearly first takes with visible continuity errors and wrong angles
yeah but his movies feel like student films. If he wanted to cut time then he would use a second unit.
Oppenheimer is just people talking in rooms and a few M80s for an explosion scene
Is that dweeb the protag?
probably caligula
This film looks like it's gonna be so nasty. Possibly even a travesty.
>Napoleon had to make $600 million to break-even with a $200 million budget
>Ridley and producers are now at $300 million budget with this
THE CON IS ON
May bros... did /ourgirl/ bite off more than she could chew?
maybe they're going to use time period accurate props that arent made out of plastic and painted styrofoam
It sucks that Ralph didn't live to see this movie.
Why does he still have budget?
Who the frick gives him money?
homieh had literally zero box office success in a decade
People keep acting ignorant about this like he wasn’t shooting a big budget epic when the biggest strike in decades hit mid shoot and dragged things out by half a year. No shit the budget blew up, it’s not exactly Ridley Scott’s fault.
It might break even if it's HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL MOVIE EVER
Hint: it won't be
Look there's value to accepting that a movie doesn't have to make money if you just want something prestige or notable to get made but jesus someone is going to be bleeding for this one.
wtf i never heard of The Martian
It was really popular and tv memed the shit out of it for years
That helmet makes me think he's making a MF Doom biography.
kino can be much less expensive
Was that helmet actually in the film? I don't remember it being that shit.
the helm looks like its made of foam like a GWAR costume piece
gladiator is overrated trash. People have nostalgia but Joaquin phoenix is absolute dogshit in the movie the entire 3rd act is dumb as hell. Like most ridley scott trash. You can also tell oliver reed is being dubbed in a few scenes since he died.
i loved that movie in the early 2000s, it was great. its not nostalgia, it was and remains a good film.
nah its dogshit its why noone gives a shit about a sequel.
movie is kino and nobody cares about the sequel because its pointless and just an obvious cash grab from an old hack
No wonder higher ups in the industry wants to adopt AI asap
make it 600M
Gladiator hit harder because of the GWOT kicking off and Patriot Act. They have to besmirch that with a mid or worse time travel multiverse bullshit rendering of the Nick Cave script. We'll be lucking if it's even Wrath of the Titans tier shlock.
if its doesn't have a PoC lead main gladiator that teaches young Maximus how to fight then I don't care
>just another pozzed deconstruction filled with non-whites & stronk whamen
I'll just download the old Gladiator in 4k instead just like I did with Dune.
Wtf is this even all about. Mc ded in gladiator. It had a good ending. Why it even need part 2. It's like making titanic 2.
?
Wow so it's going to lose even more money!
Why are studios still giving Ridley money at this point? Hasn't he been extensively exposed as a hack by now? I mean they figured this out with Emmerich too and didn't fund his shitfest
Probably going to be another woke flop.
>hiring a white guy to play MF Doom
I fricking hate this
They'll be a select few, but nobody is interested in this