That is insanely low and so bad it goes beyond just flopping, that really is only explained by a complete cultural rejection by audiences, literally worldwide. Given its marketing and ties to other marvel movies, the only way the BO is that bad is an intentional rejection.
Shang Chi, Antman 3, Thor 4, you can convince yourself those are flops for other reasons but this is so abysmally low its not explainable any other way. This was the general populace going frick you.
If Spider-verse had the same budget as Marvels, it would've been a bomb so bad they would reboot the entire universe. We know, it already happened with a spider-man movie that cost that much and made MORE.
>If Spider-verse had the same budget as Marvels, it would've been a bomb so bad they would reboot the entire universe.
No it wouldn't have. Spider verse had a 690 million dollar box office. 220 million times 3 is 660 million dollars. SV would have been a profitable if it cost as much as the Marvel’s. You are a delusional moron as pathetic and mind broken as the people you rail against.
>thinks spiderverse was an actual success
Like Black Panther, black spider-man movies are given the treatment: make it look like a success at the box office. Nobody likes that shit. Miles Morales is not popular. Even black kids would rather read about Peter Parker.
>Capeshit is dead.
Not really, no. Invincible, The Boys, My Hero Academia, and Spider-verse are still doing extremely well. Even DC is doing better if you factor in Peacemaker and The Batman. People are just getting sick of the mediocre movies that Marvel has been putting out.
>The Boys
You don’t have the slightest idea how well any of the streaming shows are doing. The only thing I can definitely say is that it’s not what they’ve reported.
yeah, especially with Amazon Prime where they know the video portion is an afterthought to most of their customers (if they're even aware it's there).
but I agree with the other anon that the issue is bad movies, not capeshit. Any Batman or Spiderman movie will still make money. Deadpool will make money. Marvel would still be making money but they were under the impression that the audience would eat whatever they shat out so they tried to push a bunch of D-list female characters that would be cheap to cast. They didn't get any real male leaders to take up the stories after RDJ and the rest retired. As a result it's just been like they MCU has been spinning it's wheels for four years now, waiting for the next main character to arrive.
Black Panther probably could have been their main guy if the actor hadn't died.
Let’s do some loose math on this. Movie cost at least $250 million to produce due to extensive reshoots. Let’s conservatively assume they only spent another $100 million in global advertising. Total spend $350 million. Assume Disney’s take is a generous 60% of box office (they have deals with theatres that favour them), Disney’s net is 120 million, so the film is a $230 million loss. That’s without taking into account more abstract aspects like future brand damage and investor confidence. Hopefully this is the coffin nail for capeshit.
They don't get 60%. The highest they ever had was 60% for Last Jedi and they only did that because they were able to browbeat cinemas into taking it because "Star Wars will make 2 billion easy you have to take this deal". When every cinema got fricked by Disney, they never gave them 60% again.
>Let’s do some loose math on this. Movie cost at least $250 million to produce
The production budget is LITERALLY listed in the OP pic you fricking plebbit-tier moron. It's right fricking there. You 're just a dumb frick who wants to pull numbers out of your fat ass. God you people are fricking stupid.
Hey remember when literally everyone, including Disney "Insiders", claimed Rise of Skywalker cost a 'staggering' 275 million? And when everyone was baffled why the supposed 220 million Age of Ultron caused such panic for "Underperforming"? Well...
VR went over their productions from the UK filings and those numbers aren't actual, they're lower than what actually got filed. They're soft obscured using the tax credits.
The end cost of ROS was closer to 600 million to make and market.
Yes that's why the picture says "Net", you're talking about gross. That's this picture.
Tax credits are technically lowering the budget so net, which is just "After all the rebates and shit", is always better to post and to remind everyone that even if you strip it down to just the pure costs alone, Disney is a bunch of fricking liars when it comes to their already stupidly high budgets and Rise of Skywalker is, confirmed, the very first Billion Dollar Bomb in history.
Disney doesn't have a special deal with theaters
that was only for a couple of those Avengers movies because they were guaranteed to make a billion+ and have legs and that was never confirmed ether anyway
It's still earned ~200 millions more than it should have if this was true. Rat just have to dial down budgets to around 50-80 million, and they will be golden no matter what kind of shit they produce.
Think about it. An "outright rejection" brings them 200 millions for s a dog shit movie nobody wanted. Many way better movies earned less.
The only reason why it's in "flopped hard" category, is because of overblown budget. If it was 50-80, it would be "total success".
Birds of Prey made almost that and it was a total flop on a 90 million budget, losing between 50 million and 100 million depending on conservative vs realistic.
It's the culmination of a series of flops. Think about it like this: The Force Awakens made 2 billion. Then came The Last Jedi. It was so fricking bad, but it still made a billion. Now, that's a billion less than before. The Rise of Skywalker somehow found a way to disappoint even more people. It made even less than Last Jedi. Now, every Star Wars product is a flop, or it just barely meets expectations. >but muh Mando
positive reception for season 1, followed by flops
An R rated Joker movie made more than the third film of the star wars sequel trilogy. That's insane when you think about it. And that was after it won pic related.
>and ties to other marvel movies
What ties? Kamala and Monica are both from Disney+. Captain Marvel is from a movie nobody cares about, and play a minimal role in Endgame.
>people are tired of capeshit >sjw Black folk are only a tiny fraction of the population but appear to be the voice of the public due to how loud they are
A wrinkle in time was a female lead film that was hot garbage, and Brie attacked the critics that said it was hot garbage because as "40 year old white dudes", the film wasn't made for them.
The Marvel's is another female lead film, hence it's not made for men either, which is why so many men avoided it outside of the beta eunuchs.
OK? Not sure why you think that owns the chuds who enjoy seeing Yidsney going bankrupt? It's their fault hiring woke c**ts, not her fault for being a woke c**t.
cheese larson was literally mindbroken after she got called flat-assed and ugly, then proceeded to dump hundreds of crappy pictures of her in spandex to show off her (nonexistant) ass
I would not be surprised if she browed Cinemaphile itself, because she's an autistic b***h
>And fiat will be worth even less
Hola Max Kaiser, donde putos estas cabron, me debes dinero puto. Te voy a cortar otro dedo si andas de mamon escondiendote otra vez.
She's a nepo baby, idiot. If we had that kind of wealth we'd be living on a tropical island somewhere. Not sucking off cameras for the attention mystery-daddy never showed us.
This shit is flopping harder than the erect penis on a broken buck in the 1800s when he is in the act of gyrating his hips around during work hours to bait massa into punishing him anally in the buck breaking shed behind the slave quarters.
everyone hates the movie, not just america
with a lot of capeshit and blockbusters they at least find some ground overseas, but this doesn't even have that
they reported it reached 197 million worldwide, so since las weekend the movie made 9 million in seven days! that still good for a movie now in it's 4th week!
>People are just sick of overpowered flawless and perfect womyn characters and woke ideology.
This.
>Perfect flawless superwoman can't be challenged or little girls will be discouraged from pursuing STEM careers >why aren't audiences enthralled with her mowing down the CGI villain males
Yeah, she's extreme. >Laughs while flying through rockets and space ships like it's nothing. >Can tank any damage. Super strong, invulnerable, can shoot energy beams. >No weaknesses. >Can only be knocked out for a brief moment by the power stone, which is now gone.
When you have heroes this powerful it's near impossible to have villains for them who aren't Dr Doom, Galactus, or Thanos.
>Laughs while flying through rockets and space ships like it's nothing. >Can tank any damage. Super strong, invulnerable, can shoot energy beams. >No weaknesses. >Can only be knocked out for a brief moment by the power stone, which is now gone.
Literally nothing wrong with this. Give her a good face, sexy consume, and likeable personality, and people would love her.
Although if she was consumed, sexily or otherwise, would be basically the end of the character, right? Unless her half-eaten corpse could still function.
>Literally nothing wrong with this.
It's hard to relate to a character who is inhumanly flawless and never has any character growth because they are already perfect. When you know nothing can hurt them there are no stakes or tension. Look at Captain America and Iron Man (and Thor before he turned into a housewife), how much they suffered, struggled, and changed over the years. They were the most popular characters, and now they are gone, replaced by characters that are poorly written and that the fans don't care about.
Overpowered =/= flawless. Power has nothing to do with being perfect, and it doesn't mean there can't be some kind of adversely, trouble, character development, or whatever. Especially considering that it's a comic action movie, not some stuffy Oscar drama. >It's hard to relate to a character who is inhumanly flawless and never has any character growth because they are already perfect. When you know nothing can hurt them there are no stakes or tension.
Superman disagrees with you.
The bit in Captain Marvel where she's fully CGI and just fricking everything up is the closest thing that movie gets to tolerable so it absolutely could be done.
>Literally nothing wrong with this.
It's hard to relate to a character who is inhumanly flawless and never has any character growth because they are already perfect. When you know nothing can hurt them there are no stakes or tension. Look at Captain America and Iron Man (and Thor before he turned into a housewife), how much they suffered, struggled, and changed over the years. They were the most popular characters, and now they are gone, replaced by characters that are poorly written and that the fans don't care about.
Yeah it's funny that every other Marvel character falls into either the "prideful character who needs to be humbled and learn to be heroic" or "humble character who learns to be heroic". Whereas Captain Marvel is an arrogant prideful character who is just an arrogant b***h from start to finish who never changes or grows and the only "suffering" she goes through is that apparently every single male in her entire universe is a twitter feminist strawman evil sexist trying to hold her down because she's just too amazing and awesome.
Yep. Her being a mary sue could be forgiven if we got to see some breasts and maybe some implied superhero sex between her and some other character.
But they won't give the audience anything they want.
it cost 220 million to make, you double that for advertising and distribution costs and it needed to make half a million in the box office to break even. Which breaking even is still considered horrible because in the shareholders minds they would've more money just dumping it into bonds. So i think you can do the math.
Probably the reason every journalist is finally shitting on Disney is because their check just bounced.
>how much will they lose
Hard to say due to ~~*Hollywood*~~ accounting, however, we can estimate based on what they claim.
Production budget claimed: $274 million
British tax credit bonus: $55 million
Total production budget before re-shoots: $219 million
Marketing costs are usually projected to be half of the production costs, so in this case we can call it an even $100 million for world-wide marketing costs.
Production with marketing total: $319 million
This film underwent an additional 4 weeks of re-shoots AFTER the initial production budget reports. How much that cost is unknown, though.
Re-shoot cost estimate: $20 million
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Studios earn about 50% of world wide sales.
Total world wide sales: $197 million
So now we can estimate total loss.
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Total estimated earnings: $197 x .5 = $98.5 million
Total estimated losses: $339 - $98.5 = $240.5 million
So this piece of shit "girl power" trash will cost ~~*Disney*~~ an estimated $240.5 million dollars.
it cost 220 million to make, you double that for advertising and distribution costs and it needed to make half a million in the box office to break even. Which breaking even is still considered horrible because in the shareholders minds they would've more money just dumping it into bonds. So i think you can do the math.
Probably the reason every journalist is finally shitting on Disney is because their check just bounced.
>how much will they lose
Hard to say due to ~~*Hollywood*~~ accounting, however, we can estimate based on what they claim.
Production budget claimed: $274 million
British tax credit bonus: $55 million
Total production budget before re-shoots: $219 million
Marketing costs are usually projected to be half of the production costs, so in this case we can call it an even $100 million for world-wide marketing costs.
Production with marketing total: $319 million
This film underwent an additional 4 weeks of re-shoots AFTER the initial production budget reports. How much that cost is unknown, though.
Re-shoot cost estimate: $20 million
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Studios earn about 50% of world wide sales.
Total world wide sales: $197 million
So now we can estimate total loss.
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Total estimated earnings: $197 x .5 = $98.5 million
Total estimated losses: $339 - $98.5 = $240.5 million
So this piece of shit "girl power" trash will cost ~~*Disney*~~ an estimated $240.5 million dollars.
>A quarter billie is rookie numbers compared to Galactic Starcruiser and Disney+
~~*Disney*~~ is ran by THE most incompetent motherfrickers in corporate history.
>~~*Disney*~~ animated films
Fricked. >Lucas films
Fricked. >Marvel films
Fricked. >Marvel comics
Fricked.
Their executives have literally ruined EVERYTHING, and their shareholders just stand by and allow it to happen.
I mean..Verizon bought them and has allowed it to continue so..
5 months ago
Anonymous
Boy are you out of the loop.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22653652/yahoo-aol-acquired-apollo-global-management-private-equity
Verizon bought them for 9 billion after they turned down being bought by Microsoft for 40 Billion, not a typo, and then sold them for 4 billion because they must've realized that brand was spreading like a virus and making them moronic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I was trying to not think about them honestly but thanks. I needed new nightmares. They fumbled a bag more than 3 times and now they want to give that former ceo/loose prostitute a shot at more silicon valley jobs. Do old men in silicon valley just like fricking fimbos that much or what. Frick, why did I have to read that article.
I tried Disney+ due to a black Friday deal and it's absolutely awful. How the frick do they justify it at full price when it's not even worth the $2 USD? It doesn't even have the de-specialized versions of the original trilogy which I can now only assume Disney is saving as an emergency backup when shit really hits the fan.
>I think marketing cost more and I don't think Disney gets 50% of ticket sales.
Could be, anon. I'm not an ~~*insider*~~ by any means and base my assessment strictly on what I have read around the internets via a variety of different sources.
The marketing was way more than 100 mil and the reshoot numbers are a conservative guess, and we won't know the real numbers for a year most likely since it will be split between 23 and 24 filings, so early 24 will be the earliest total estimates but those loss numbers will be north of 300 million even with the tax credit. They'll split the loss between two years to try and hide it.
>those loss numbers will be north of 300 million
And that's just for ONE film.
Wish is bombing just as hard, though I don't think it cost as much.
~~*Disney*~~ has lost well over a billion dollars this year between their shit films and TV projects. Why people are still holding their stock is beyond me...
you would be surprised but the first reported budget was 200 mil and it had more work done to it as well and that is traditional animation which takes more time.
On top of that, it was a pseudo-capstone movie for disney's centennial, so the marketing was everywhere.
The losses for wish, per ratio of gross expenditure should actually exceed marvels. By percentage but obviously they can hide that easier since they did not have to disclose numbers. Same with gotg 3, since it was shot in georgia.
>Studios only get 50% domestically.
Could be, anon. I've read they can average around 60% for domestic sales and 40% for international, which is around 50% of total sales. Only the ~~*Hollywood*~~ accountants know for sure, though.
>They lost nearly their reported budget
So basically, they would have been better off if they made the movie and didn't try to sell it to anyone. That's insane. I hope the next 10 Disney movies suffer this badly. I hope Disney World is a ghost town. I'm going to laugh so fricking hard when they chapter 11.
The irony is in home sales/vod and streaming deals along with other backsale moves, John Carter of Mars and recouped like 40 or 50 million after it was out of theaters so even adjusted for inflation is no longer biggest bomb in history.
I guess people are waiting for the year to end in order to update the list, since we have some serious contenders
The Flash, the last Indiana Jones, Wish, The Marvels, the mermaid movie of Dreamworks also bombed hard, and I think I'm missing more
Holy frick
Can someone explain to me why a billion £££ company is receiving £55million of my and my fellow bongs hard earned tax money? What the actual frick? How does this movie, the studio anything, how is it even remotely related to my nation?
>Brie Larson has the presence and bearing of an Applebee's hostess, while black chick looks more like a stylist in a weave shop, and Muslim chick looks more like a high school supermarket cashier.
Gee, I wonder why nobody wasted their time or money watching that garbage...
Nobody buys into them because female camaraderie does not exist. I work with women. All they do is gossip about each other. Whoever isn’t there that day is the target. And when they’re not talking about each other, they’re talking about their own family members. At least men will talk about something autistic and fictional like powerscaling superheroes or athletes. Female teamups only work in animation like Power Puff Girls and Sailor Moon because there’s already a layer of non-reality.
The more as a man I am forced to interact with groups where women are in the majority, the more the respect for women I had beaten into me by my boomer parents dies. They are a lesser species mentally, emotionally and morally. Our ancestors were entirely correct to not trust the vast majority of them to hold any kind of power or responsibility.
The more as a man I am forced to interact with groups where women are in the majority, the more the respect for women I had beaten into me by my boomer parents dies. They are a lesser species mentally, emotionally and morally. Our ancestors were entirely correct to not trust the vast majority of them to hold any kind of power or responsibility.
I think this is obvious to most men who are around women a lot. I think the difference between now and then, is that men now gave them a chance to show that maybe it was cultural rather than innate. Previous generations knew better, I guess.
>previous generations weren't atheists
Lucifer, and his agents, never rest. In time, he corrupts every society, and will continue to do so until the final day. It's a lot easier when you convince men that he doesn't even exist...
Previous generations simply didn't give a shit. They didn't have the time or care to give a shit. People also got married back then, and stayed married. Married women can be friends. They often become very close friends for decades. It's single women with unclaimed marital status that are always hypercompetitive.
Sailor Moon proves the point as her best friends are basically meat shields for her to go and save her husband/boyfriend or her daughter acting upon her maternal instincts above all.
BRIE LARSON IS A STUPID FRICKING prostitute WHO WAS HOMESCHOOLED AND BEEN IN SHOW BUSINESS SINCE SHE WAS A CHILD, NEVER FACED ANY FORM OF ADVERSITY NOR WORKED A SINGLE FRICKING DAY OF HER LIFE AS A HOLLYWOOD CASTING COUCH CUM DUMPSTER, THE FRICKING NERVE OF THIS israelite wienerSLEEVE PREACHING FEMINISM WHEN IT'S THAT PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION THAT HAS MADE HER FAMOUS AND A MILLIONAIRE FOR NOTHING OTHER THAN STANDING IN FRONT OF A CAMERA SAYING SHIT THAT OTHER PEOPLE WRITE WHILE A SMALL ARMY TRIES TO MAKE HER LOOK GOOD, A MONUMENTAL TASK AS SHE'S A FIVEHEAD FUNGI FEET bawd WHO SPERGS OUT IF PEOPLE AREN'T KISSING HER ASS, NO ONE LIKES HER AND COULDN'T EVEN HEADLINE HER OWN SEQUEL ALONE BECAUSE OF HOW FRICKING UNLIKABLE SHE IS AND THAT'S BECAUSE SHE'S.....
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While it's too bad she wasn't on the Titanic as she could have used her paddles to steer the ship away from the iceberg!!!FACT!!!
First only did well because of MCU hype at its peak sandwiched between 2 of the biggest movies ever
Second came out after MCU hype ended and when capeshit/Marvel fatigue started to settle in
Generational shift started to settle in
Most Marvelkeks, let alone the general public want to do homework just to understand what is going on with recent movies
Brie and the other 2 aren't box offices draws
Action movies with female leads generally don't do well
The movie sucks
>Action movies with female leads
Are fricking stupid. Who the frick picks women for an "action" film? That's like picking women to be your Olympic team instead of men. "Elite" women athletes can't even compete with high school boys, let alone men. Hell, even MEN can't compete with men, which is why we have the selection processes that we do to weed out the weak and cowardly.
The ~~*Hollywood*~~ feminist power fantasy film only appeals to a small, niche market, as the rest of us, both male and females, think those films just look stupid.
>The first movie was crammed between the most climactic movies in the franchise, pressuring people to see it. >The first movie was the first taste of a character and performance that overall didn't seem to impress the audience enough for continued interest >The sequel requires audiences to watch two streaming shows to even know who 2/3rds of the titular cast are. And one of those shows seemed to be marketed to a teen girl demographic.
i think marketing departments kept telling them how nerd fanboys are brand loyal so you will keep them no matter what and just need to appeal to everybody else
turns out nerds are very obsessive about and loyal to the hobbies/interests, but when they have finally had enough, that obsession still remains and the love turns to hate, so they embark on a crusade to destroy the people that took their hobby/interest away from them
imagine betraying your fanatical fanbase for some fashion hopping brainlets lmao
These people still don't know why Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. They just think that whatever they make is going to be gold and find success. Nepobabies getting jobs and fricking them up badly is like their pasttime.
they're desperately trying to hide bringing back the avengers to flip that corpse over and refry it so...triple down? Double, triple-down? More message for the pyre that was Disney. At first I thought starwars was going to be the big epic business tale of brand destruction but honestly, destroying a company the size of disney on top of what they did to their brands is just impressive. The amount of mismanagement could be an odyssean tale after all is said and done.
It's a "visibility" thing. Nobody watches those cheap movies except weird film nerds.
They have to woke-ize the most visible (biggest) movies, because those wield the most cultural influence.
The big dollar value is part of it, hence the fake Billion Dollar Box Office empty-cinemas stunt for Craptain Marvel 1 and Black Manther.
The problem now is they can't do it again (and I bet Brie screeched about it), because it exposes too much of the HW money laundering systems which then becomes part of the public discourse, led by our little website here. Nobody is just saying "Yuck, she's horrible. Why is she in this?", they're now asking "How can they afford this? The economics of it don't make sense!". And if one thing is gonna trigger the normie revolution, it's rich privileged shits getting a free (luxury) ride while they're not even able to afford a Big Mac and everyone in the media spider-web screaming in their ear about how "entitled" they are if they don't like it.
hollywood can't supplant the industry because Sony bought crunchy and effectively protected from being moved out of Japan. Though nothing is stopping them from investing and forcing their will that way.
SO MANY FRICKING moronS MAKING UP NUMBERS FROM THEIR FRICKING ASS IN THIS THREAD
THE FRICKING PRODUCTION BUDGET IS LITERALLY LISTED IN OP'S PIC, AND ALL OF YOU STUPID c**tS ARE ALL PULLING WILDLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS OUT OF YOUR ASSES FOR YOUR DUMB FRICKING CALCULATIONS
THE NUMBER IS LITERALLY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU DUMB homosexualS.
That number was before reshoots, which was reported by Forbes at the time of publication and during Q3 and not including Q4 23 or Q1 24, with final marketing cost, theater split, post-tax credit filings included. So that number is very, very low, angry shill poster.
300 plus million
including marketing It also had reshoots but also tax breaks
but what ever the final number
it’s a colossal flop costing Disney more than 250 million
People went to see MCU movies because they had a "seal of quality", audiences trusted Marvel. Even if a Marvel movie was below par, it was usually still at a high level of quality and the characters weren't shatt on.
> Pushed Diversity shit. > Turned Thor into a joke. > Turned Wanda into a cartoon villain. > Confusing self-referencing multiverse shit which casual audiences despise.
The audiences wanted none of these things, and resented popular characters being turned into morons/villains while Team Diversity was elevated.
Wanda turning into a villain could have actually been very kino. In fact, she'd have been a way better Avengers level threat than We Wuz Kang, and felt more impactful if written right because we are already familiar with her.
I saw Wandavision expecting her to take on this role, and was so disappointed in how they actually took the character. Such a fricking confusing mess. I thought they would go "let's make this into our Dark Phoenix story, but people are tired of seeing that story so much so we will do something similar and do it right this time."
Boy was I fricking wrong. Multiverse of Mad shit is where I gave up entirely. I was holding on to some hope. Sam Rami on a Doc Strange flick? Scarlet Witch getting powered up? Hell, it felt like it had the chance to turn things around. But no. It was the most disappointing piece of shit ever. Loki was the only good series and only as a standalone. Didn't even bother with season 2.
With marketing costs, Yidsney could have BURNED 200 million dollars and saved money rather than releasing this steaming pile of woke dogshit LMAO, also JFL at the UK for being cucks who wasted 55 million of this woke AMERICAN movie, talk about being pathetic yankie lapdogs, but hey atleast you aren't speaking German right goys?
>vaguely aware of Marvels coming out >look at the cast >Brie, nobody gives a shit about her character and the actress has negative charisma and charm >some random black woman because they need to get a loud black woman who is always right, it's never really fully explained who she is and why anyone should care (unlike other major Marvel characters that even a rando person off the street can vaguely know and place) >frumpy pakistani superhero covered up to her eyeballs in a frumpy costume, she's apparently from Disney plus or something and looks like a tertiary character at best or someone who shows up in the background just to stand around a bit >all the marketing anyone even sees is these three unlikeable off-putting characters pose around >no mention of the plot >no mention of what any of them are about or what their powers are specifically >no context of any kind, you can't even place WHERE the movie is going to take place >virtually no information about the movie is conveyed other than the there main characters existing >later on find out that the main villain is another black woman (with gold in her teeth) who's acting unhinged
I'd be hard pressed to figure out a better audience repellent than this. It's a miracle it even got the money it did. I have no clue what kind of person even went to see this. I guess maybe OCD freaks that compulsively need to watch anything Marvel releases so they don't miss some crucial side info or whatnot.
Really? If they made an XMen reboot WITHOUT race or gender swapping any of the roles or injecting any identity politics into it the movie would make 2 billion dollars. That’s a fact. People are fricking sick to death of being preached at and scolded by progressive dumbfricks. People are sick of American politics being injected into movies that are supposed to be fun. Capeshit isn’t dead, woke media is.
>If they made an XMen reboot WITHOUT race or gender swapping any of the roles or injecting any identity politics into it the movie would make 2 billion dollars.
No it wouldn't. The superhero fatigue is real. It's more than that, people in general are losing interest in theaters because they are too expensive and your experience is often ruined by kids and joggers. People prefer home cinema instead.
I respectfully disagree. People still love going to the movies as long as you show them something with some heart, not more soulless screeching about girl power or magical basketball Americans.
Remember the first marvel movie was a massive flop as well since Disney had to do some tricks to get the 1 billion revenue for the movie despite everyone reporting completely empty theaters for the movie. Since they were paying for Fox in disney shares, they couldnt let the movie flop that would hurt the share prices so they did everything they could to bolster it up.
In comparison, current disney is very poor right now and cant do the same tricks to bolster their box office revenues anymore which is why all their movies are naturally flopping.
>Disney had to do some tricks to get the 1 billion revenue for the movie despite everyone reporting completely empty theaters for the movie.
lmao, this cope again
>ticket sales were inflated >ticket sales were legit but the movie sucked so much, the sequel made 1/5 the box office
which one is it? neither looks good
If Ezra had been a straight white man he’d be selling condos in the Caymans (see Armie Hammer) the media was nicer to him than that loony fruit deserved.
Raping an underage obese moronic Indian girl is something. Breaking and entering into the neighbors house is something. Also worst of all, israeli. Yuck.
Honestly it’s amazing how quick libs abandoned Ezra, even lumped him in with the “straight white male crowd” while defending the Marvels with whataboutisms that they can flop too.. So much for respecting pronouns.
Libtards eat their own at the drop of the hat. What condemned Ezra is anyone center to right becoming totally media illiterate overnight and just letting confirmation bias take over.
Ezra exists at the nexus of multiple sociopolitical debates currently in play, he was never gonna get a fair shot
He did way more text messages which Armie Hammer and Justin Roiland both lost their entire careers over but there’s a key fundamental difference between those two men and Gaylord McJewface. Wonder what it is.
>way more than text messages
Is what it should have said.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Post the text messages about Ezra or you're talking out of your ass and proving our point, he did nothing wrong other than dumb petty shit
5 months ago
Anonymous
Goddamn you’re fricking dumb. Read what I amended.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What is there against Ezra? What proves anything beyond overblown hearsay?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>petty shit
Kidnapping a kid is just carefree shenanigans I guess.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You do realize the parents never alleged kidnapping to any actual authority, right? They went straight to TMZ and Rolling Stone, then on vacation. No telling the cops, FBI, anything. Sound weird to you at all?
5 months ago
Anonymous
What it sounds like is Warner Brothers showed up with a checkbook to protect their tentpole.
5 months ago
Anonymous
no, it sounds like it was literally fake news that you fell for and now you're trying to save face
the girl herself (who is a lesbian, was never dating him, and is like 20 years old) said it was a smear campaign since Day One, you just ignored that
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I’m sure the mean media (primarily owned and ran by israeli people) are just picking on poor israeli Ezra miller for no reason, not once or twice but 5 separate batshit crazy stories scattered all over Hawaii and Vermont. I’m sure it was all just a smear campaign and he dindu nuffin any of the times even though he personally apologized for being a fricking wackadoo. I’m sure that it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
no one is safe from the media in 2023, plenty of israelites have been taken aim at before, you're incredibly naive to think they care about anything other than money. talking about this israelite made a lot of people a lot of money because people were obsessed with talking about it last year.
and pretty much, he has been stalked by an insane negress for the past 5 years or so and she coordinated a bunch of bullshit. all the unsubstantiated allegations are connected. the stuff he was arrested for obviously happened, but the kidnapping/grooming/assault - all manufactured by the same few people.
he didn't actually even apologize for anything specific, and one can only apologize for things you actually did wrong >“Having recently gone through a time of intense crisis, I now understand that I am suffering complex mental health issues and have begun ongoing treatment,” Miller said in a statement. “I want to apologize to everyone that I have alarmed and upset with my past behavior. I am committed to doing the necessary work to get back to a healthy, safe and productive stage in my life.”
nowhere in that statement is there any confession to anything, it’s a generic acknowledgement and message to loved ones about their mental health issues. if you think this is an “admittance” to anything let alone crimes like kidnapping or grooming, that’s you projecting meaning that isn’t there.
like what was said, use basic media literacy and read beyond a headline.
5 months ago
Anonymous
this is the woman whose ex filed fake CPS reports on Ezra's house, the mom and her kids stayed there for a few weeks over the summer before moving out on their own. this is where the "ezra is holding kids hostage" came from.
he got fricked over for going out of his way to help someone, no one is saying he "dindu nuffin" but the amount of twisting that happened is hard to ignore and the media facilitated it by blasting uncorroborated allegations and then dropping it when it became convenient/no longer lucrative
and it's pathetic because the same useful idiots who say "believe all women" just ignored every woman who wasn't saying what they wanted/went against the narrative
I actually saw this today to see the last MCU movie in a theatre. There may be X-men and Fantastic Four going forward but this is the end of the bonanza that started with Iron Man 15 years ago. This is a dead horse.
It’s literally only 22 million away from breaking even. Should hit 219 million sometime in the next 3 weeks especially with Christmas coming up. Anything after that is a profit. Why do chuds keep lying about this films success?
this thread is all well and good about how much money this made them lose but theyve got enough from other films... are the really hurting from this? especially with spidey 4 coming soon?
Can one of Cinemaphile's resident accountants tell me if this flopped harder than The Flash in terms of a cost-to-profit ratio? I need to know how hard to laugh.
It definitely did, considering:
- this movie isn't going to even sniff the $270M Flash made
- we know for a fact Marvels spent more on television advertisements alone, so the overall marketing budget was probably higher
- the budget for Marvels was $220M (technically $275M, but they got a subsidy from the UK government), while the budget for Flash has been reported as being anywhere from $190M to $220M
so just off those basic numbers we know right now, it's going to flop harder, and this is before accounting for home media and merch sales, which Flash has a lot of because of Keaton Batman
I see people talk about the marketing but I have to confess as someone who actually still watches broadcast TV and listens to commercial radio for about 10 hours every day, I have never seen or heard a single ad for this movie and I wouldn't even know it existed if not for threads here.
All the Australian FTA channels. As for radio, the station I mostly listen to is a smaller local station but it's still played ads for Thanksgiving and Napoleon. Less often I listen to the larger stations like Triple M and Hit and I'll admit my listening time for these two has been small, I haven't heard a peep about the Marvels on them either.
The Flash reported production budget: $220 million
Estimated marketing costs: $220 million x .5 = $110 million
Estimated total costs for The Flash: $330 million
Estimated total costs: $330 million
Reported world wide box office: $266 million
With studios allegedly taking 50% of worldwide box office, The Flash managed to earn them $133 million dollars, which means they potentially lost $197 million dollars from the theater run. However, there were re-shoots involved, which could drive the losses higher than estimated.
Meanwhile, The Marvel's is potentially losing $240 million from its theater run, making it the bigger loser.
Lol, a movie with 95% CGI was able to reshoot its ending in two days. Did you proofread this message and think to yourself, “frick yes, that sound reasonable!”? Or do you just sperg your dick beaters onto a keyboard and hope for the best? Cause wew lad.
the movie is 99% the same other than a single scene that was changed between one "ending" to another, so yes, it's fairly easy to switch up >A shoot was quickly assembled, and on a January morning on the Warners lot, Clooney was there as Wayne, back for the first time in 26 years. Miller was in top form that day, sources say, for what was described as a quick and efficient shoot.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/the-flash-inside-george-clooney-return-batman-1235517975/
Yeah Clooney spent a day there, it doesn’t say the entire process took a day you frickwit. It was basically voice over work for him.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the point is it's still not "extensive reshoots" or even remotely comparable to the extra 4 weeks of filming The Marvels had
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t how long it was buddy except that it was most definitely 100 fricking percent longer than a day. Added to that the fact that Miller himself went back for reshoots on several different occasions. There are some sources that put the total production costs at 300 million.
5 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, he went back for reshoots over the summer when he was supposed to actually be on the run from the cops too, crazy how that works
discussing the flash movie is like discussing cryptids at this point
>Make traditionally male genre movie centred solely around women. >Horrible casting. >Horrible writing. >Horrible directing. >Horrible costumes. >Looks like a 70's TV sci-fi show for kids.
I get that it wasn't made for me.
Who was it made for and how comes they didn't turn out to watch it?
It was made for people that enjoy watching black women be heroes. So nobody. Especially black women. There’s is no group of people on this planet that hates black women than black women themselves.
>Comics are fricking shit >Every MCU fan says they'll just adapt the good comics of old and shit >They start adapting the comics that killed the comics, turning the MCU into modern day Marvel comics >MCU fans walk out
How many Marvel flops will Disney go through before the incoming hostile takeover ends up happening? Will it be Fantastic Four where Silver Surfer is a woman and Doom likely will be one too? Or will the next Avengers movie flopping be the one?
People are tired of
- capeshit
- expensive effects-laden extravaganzas without human drama or emotional sincerity
- lame quippy bathos humour
- angry women shitting on audiences before they've even seen their movie
- girl power
- excessive token diversity
- patronising political correctness in general
All of which this movie has by the fricking ton. The dam is about to burst.
>get told i'm an incel by my sister who barely uses the internet because i offhandedly responded i thought the movie looked bad
I'm fricking homosexual and she's aware of that, jesus fricking christ. she's not even stupid, she's a scientist with master's degrees
I HURT MYSELF TODAY
CROWN OF SHIT
so sad
That is insanely low and so bad it goes beyond just flopping, that really is only explained by a complete cultural rejection by audiences, literally worldwide. Given its marketing and ties to other marvel movies, the only way the BO is that bad is an intentional rejection.
Shang Chi, Antman 3, Thor 4, you can convince yourself those are flops for other reasons but this is so abysmally low its not explainable any other way. This was the general populace going frick you.
Capeshit is dead.
Spiderverse says no.
there will never be a spiderverse 3
Yeah because Sony hates money
Spiderverse 3 is coming out in 2024?
Capshit is dead unless it's cheap.
If Spider-verse had the same budget as Marvels, it would've been a bomb so bad they would reboot the entire universe. We know, it already happened with a spider-man movie that cost that much and made MORE.
>If Spider-verse had the same budget as Marvels, it would've been a bomb so bad they would reboot the entire universe.
No it wouldn't have. Spider verse had a 690 million dollar box office. 220 million times 3 is 660 million dollars. SV would have been a profitable if it cost as much as the Marvel’s. You are a delusional moron as pathetic and mind broken as the people you rail against.
have a nice day chink
>If every Blumhouse horror slop had the same budget as Marvels, they would've bombed so bad they would reboot the entire universe
moron
>thinks spiderverse was an actual success
Like Black Panther, black spider-man movies are given the treatment: make it look like a success at the box office. Nobody likes that shit. Miles Morales is not popular. Even black kids would rather read about Peter Parker.
Spiderverse has got some soul. Capeshit does not.
Filmmakers and studios have been making superhero sci-fi for the entire history of cinema. That's not going away. Audiences just want good movies.
>Capeshit is dead.
Not really, no. Invincible, The Boys, My Hero Academia, and Spider-verse are still doing extremely well. Even DC is doing better if you factor in Peacemaker and The Batman. People are just getting sick of the mediocre movies that Marvel has been putting out.
>The Boys
You don’t have the slightest idea how well any of the streaming shows are doing. The only thing I can definitely say is that it’s not what they’ve reported.
yeah, especially with Amazon Prime where they know the video portion is an afterthought to most of their customers (if they're even aware it's there).
but I agree with the other anon that the issue is bad movies, not capeshit. Any Batman or Spiderman movie will still make money. Deadpool will make money. Marvel would still be making money but they were under the impression that the audience would eat whatever they shat out so they tried to push a bunch of D-list female characters that would be cheap to cast. They didn't get any real male leaders to take up the stories after RDJ and the rest retired. As a result it's just been like they MCU has been spinning it's wheels for four years now, waiting for the next main character to arrive.
Black Panther probably could have been their main guy if the actor hadn't died.
The three non-Sony characters who could have carried the MCU were Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange.
One is dead, one is ruined, leaving only Strange left with any viability as a lead.
>My Hero Academia is capeshit
Frick off.
>My Hero Academia is capeshit
yup
>This was the general populace going frick you.
About g'damn time...
Let’s do some loose math on this. Movie cost at least $250 million to produce due to extensive reshoots. Let’s conservatively assume they only spent another $100 million in global advertising. Total spend $350 million. Assume Disney’s take is a generous 60% of box office (they have deals with theatres that favour them), Disney’s net is 120 million, so the film is a $230 million loss. That’s without taking into account more abstract aspects like future brand damage and investor confidence. Hopefully this is the coffin nail for capeshit.
They don't get 60%. The highest they ever had was 60% for Last Jedi and they only did that because they were able to browbeat cinemas into taking it because "Star Wars will make 2 billion easy you have to take this deal". When every cinema got fricked by Disney, they never gave them 60% again.
>Let’s do some loose math on this. Movie cost at least $250 million to produce
The production budget is LITERALLY listed in the OP pic you fricking plebbit-tier moron. It's right fricking there. You 're just a dumb frick who wants to pull numbers out of your fat ass. God you people are fricking stupid.
Assuming, of course, that's what it actually is.
Hey remember when literally everyone, including Disney "Insiders", claimed Rise of Skywalker cost a 'staggering' 275 million? And when everyone was baffled why the supposed 220 million Age of Ultron caused such panic for "Underperforming"? Well...
VR went over their productions from the UK filings and those numbers aren't actual, they're lower than what actually got filed. They're soft obscured using the tax credits.
The end cost of ROS was closer to 600 million to make and market.
Yes that's why the picture says "Net", you're talking about gross. That's this picture.
Tax credits are technically lowering the budget so net, which is just "After all the rebates and shit", is always better to post and to remind everyone that even if you strip it down to just the pure costs alone, Disney is a bunch of fricking liars when it comes to their already stupidly high budgets and Rise of Skywalker is, confirmed, the very first Billion Dollar Bomb in history.
Disney doesn't have a special deal with theaters
that was only for a couple of those Avengers movies because they were guaranteed to make a billion+ and have legs and that was never confirmed ether anyway
>extensive reshoots.
Some cheeky insider needs to leak all these wokefires in their original test-screening versions.
It's still earned ~200 millions more than it should have if this was true. Rat just have to dial down budgets to around 50-80 million, and they will be golden no matter what kind of shit they produce.
Embarrassing shill cope. He is right moron, this is outright rejection
Think about it. An "outright rejection" brings them 200 millions for s a dog shit movie nobody wanted. Many way better movies earned less.
The only reason why it's in "flopped hard" category, is because of overblown budget. If it was 50-80, it would be "total success".
200 mil on a budget of 80 mil would still be a flop.
Birds of Prey made almost that and it was a total flop on a 90 million budget, losing between 50 million and 100 million depending on conservative vs realistic.
It's the culmination of a series of flops. Think about it like this: The Force Awakens made 2 billion. Then came The Last Jedi. It was so fricking bad, but it still made a billion. Now, that's a billion less than before. The Rise of Skywalker somehow found a way to disappoint even more people. It made even less than Last Jedi. Now, every Star Wars product is a flop, or it just barely meets expectations.
>but muh Mando
positive reception for season 1, followed by flops
An R rated Joker movie made more than the third film of the star wars sequel trilogy. That's insane when you think about it. And that was after it won pic related.
I hope you're right
>and ties to other marvel movies
What ties? Kamala and Monica are both from Disney+. Captain Marvel is from a movie nobody cares about, and play a minimal role in Endgame.
>complete cultural rejection
Yep, it's here. Time to stop pandering to the loons, fast.
>people are tired of capeshit
>sjw Black folk are only a tiny fraction of the population but appear to be the voice of the public due to how loud they are
The world is healing
That is correct.
>Be Brie
>See crush depth coming
>Still has to dance like a monkey for the cameras.
what's it from?
>Main actress tells child's not to see her movies
>chuds proceed to not watch her movie.
I don't get it.
chuds rise up
No child's, that did not chudcur.
Go home fatrick
Enjoy prison, stalker.
The children are all in prison
When? They didn't even market the movie cause of the strike
>When?
During the first Captain Marvel, she said these movies weren't for white men.
She said that about A Wrinkle in Time.
A wrinkle in time was a female lead film that was hot garbage, and Brie attacked the critics that said it was hot garbage because as "40 year old white dudes", the film wasn't made for them.
The Marvel's is another female lead film, hence it's not made for men either, which is why so many men avoided it outside of the beta eunuchs.
nope
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child's irrevocably btfo
Disney honestly thought having this fake charisma vacuum go on Fallon would make people go to the theaters.
Why is she so fake?
Because the real Brie is even more horrible
smile you fricking twat.
lol that Captain Marvel literally has multiple scenes about this.
I bet it was a black guy. they are the only people that do this in public and it's mostly a joke
This. You can see it playing out.
>"Oh hey, you dat famous b***h! I gotta gets me dat numba! Fo real! Fo reeeeeal!!"
Nogs love famous people.
I hate women so much
What a racist.
Meanwhile, she has enough money tobuy and sell your whole family. Plus an Oscar. I bet she really worries about Cinemaphile opinions
OK? Not sure why you think that owns the chuds who enjoy seeing Yidsney going bankrupt? It's their fault hiring woke c**ts, not her fault for being a woke c**t.
Hello Brie
Brie would NEVER post here
Nell Tiger Free posted her vegana on /b/, Taylor Swift named her cat based on /b/, Shatner posts here, Anthony Mackie probably does. You never know.
yeah whatever you say Brie
Hi Brie, I love you
cheese larson was literally mindbroken after she got called flat-assed and ugly, then proceeded to dump hundreds of crappy pictures of her in spandex to show off her (nonexistant) ass
I would not be surprised if she browed Cinemaphile itself, because she's an autistic b***h
The Oscar is worth shit
And fiat will be worth even less
Family worth everything
>And fiat will be worth even less
Hola Max Kaiser, donde putos estas cabron, me debes dinero puto. Te voy a cortar otro dedo si andas de mamon escondiendote otra vez.
She's a nepo baby, idiot. If we had that kind of wealth we'd be living on a tropical island somewhere. Not sucking off cameras for the attention mystery-daddy never showed us.
She chose this.
You're a burden on humanity shill
Really unappealing how she keeps saying shit like "This is my job!" and "I'm a superhero!" We're not 6 year olds getting a Make-a-Wish visit.
The way she talks to people is very condescending. Like she is talking to a room full of kids. How unlikable can she be?
her head looks like a fricking lego block
It's the David Cameron PS1 head syndrome.
She's a good narrator t b h
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brie is box office poison
I think she’s alright in b***hy roles.
>by doing nothing, we defeated the enemy
Taoist Victory
This shit is flopping harder than the erect penis on a broken buck in the 1800s when he is in the act of gyrating his hips around during work hours to bait massa into punishing him anally in the buck breaking shed behind the slave quarters.
Fricking Lord, Anon.
Calm down Tariq
>stopped reporting on international grosses
In English?
They're not saying how much money they made in Chinkland and Pooistan anymore.
they put their fingers in their ears and went "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR IT FLOPPING"
everyone hates the movie, not just america
with a lot of capeshit and blockbusters they at least find some ground overseas, but this doesn't even have that
>In English?
You are a colossal homosexual :^)
they reported it reached 197 million worldwide, so since las weekend the movie made 9 million in seven days! that still good for a movie now in it's 4th week!
Brie will never star in another Marvel movie after this. Her career is over.
KAN
I guess they didn't cume so much
People are just sick of overpowered flawless and perfect womyn characters and woke ideology.
>People are just sick of overpowered flawless and perfect womyn characters and woke ideology.
This.
>Perfect flawless superwoman can't be challenged or little girls will be discouraged from pursuing STEM careers
>why aren't audiences enthralled with her mowing down the CGI villain males
Yeah, she's extreme.
>Laughs while flying through rockets and space ships like it's nothing.
>Can tank any damage. Super strong, invulnerable, can shoot energy beams.
>No weaknesses.
>Can only be knocked out for a brief moment by the power stone, which is now gone.
When you have heroes this powerful it's near impossible to have villains for them who aren't Dr Doom, Galactus, or Thanos.
>Laughs while flying through rockets and space ships like it's nothing.
>Can tank any damage. Super strong, invulnerable, can shoot energy beams.
>No weaknesses.
>Can only be knocked out for a brief moment by the power stone, which is now gone.
Literally nothing wrong with this. Give her a good face, sexy consume, and likeable personality, and people would love her.
Although if she was consumed, sexily or otherwise, would be basically the end of the character, right? Unless her half-eaten corpse could still function.
I have no idea what are you talking about, Mr. Schizoid.
And I think I don't even want to know.
He's making fun of you, captain typo.
Autism, then. Ok.
>Literally nothing wrong with this.
It's hard to relate to a character who is inhumanly flawless and never has any character growth because they are already perfect. When you know nothing can hurt them there are no stakes or tension. Look at Captain America and Iron Man (and Thor before he turned into a housewife), how much they suffered, struggled, and changed over the years. They were the most popular characters, and now they are gone, replaced by characters that are poorly written and that the fans don't care about.
Overpowered =/= flawless. Power has nothing to do with being perfect, and it doesn't mean there can't be some kind of adversely, trouble, character development, or whatever. Especially considering that it's a comic action movie, not some stuffy Oscar drama.
>It's hard to relate to a character who is inhumanly flawless and never has any character growth because they are already perfect. When you know nothing can hurt them there are no stakes or tension.
Superman disagrees with you.
Superman is basically that and he's loved anyway. And it's not because he's a man, he's just a better written character.
Superman has weaknesses. Captain Marvel has none.
Captain Marvel is Superman with no weaknesses and no humility
The bit in Captain Marvel where she's fully CGI and just fricking everything up is the closest thing that movie gets to tolerable so it absolutely could be done.
Yeah it's funny that every other Marvel character falls into either the "prideful character who needs to be humbled and learn to be heroic" or "humble character who learns to be heroic". Whereas Captain Marvel is an arrogant prideful character who is just an arrogant b***h from start to finish who never changes or grows and the only "suffering" she goes through is that apparently every single male in her entire universe is a twitter feminist strawman evil sexist trying to hold her down because she's just too amazing and awesome.
Yep. Her being a mary sue could be forgiven if we got to see some breasts and maybe some implied superhero sex between her and some other character.
But they won't give the audience anything they want.
The problem is that Brie is not sexy or likable. And she definitely does not have the talent to act likable.
ACK
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES
GOT NOWHERE TO RUN
THE NIGHT GOES ON
AS I'M FADING AWAY
I'M SICK OF THIS LIFE
I JUST WANNA SCREAM
So how much will they lose if you include marketing + theatre cut + taxes?
200+ million
Goddamn
easily over $300 million
it cost 220 million to make, you double that for advertising and distribution costs and it needed to make half a million in the box office to break even. Which breaking even is still considered horrible because in the shareholders minds they would've more money just dumping it into bonds. So i think you can do the math.
Probably the reason every journalist is finally shitting on Disney is because their check just bounced.
>how much will they lose
Hard to say due to ~~*Hollywood*~~ accounting, however, we can estimate based on what they claim.
Production budget claimed: $274 million
British tax credit bonus: $55 million
Total production budget before re-shoots: $219 million
Marketing costs are usually projected to be half of the production costs, so in this case we can call it an even $100 million for world-wide marketing costs.
Production with marketing total: $319 million
This film underwent an additional 4 weeks of re-shoots AFTER the initial production budget reports. How much that cost is unknown, though.
Re-shoot cost estimate: $20 million
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Studios earn about 50% of world wide sales.
Total world wide sales: $197 million
So now we can estimate total loss.
Total estimated costs: $339 million
Total estimated earnings: $197 x .5 = $98.5 million
Total estimated losses: $339 - $98.5 = $240.5 million
So this piece of shit "girl power" trash will cost ~~*Disney*~~ an estimated $240.5 million dollars.
Go WOKE go BROKE motherfrickers.
A quarter billie is rookie numbers compared to Galactic Starcruiser and Disney+, those both lost the company the full billion. Each.
>A quarter billie is rookie numbers compared to Galactic Starcruiser and Disney+
~~*Disney*~~ is ran by THE most incompetent motherfrickers in corporate history.
>~~*Disney*~~ animated films
Fricked.
>Lucas films
Fricked.
>Marvel films
Fricked.
>Marvel comics
Fricked.
Their executives have literally ruined EVERYTHING, and their shareholders just stand by and allow it to happen.
I mean, most incompetent in entertainment specifically.
Nobody's beating out Yahoo in corporate incompetence.
I mean..Verizon bought them and has allowed it to continue so..
Boy are you out of the loop.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22653652/yahoo-aol-acquired-apollo-global-management-private-equity
Verizon bought them for 9 billion after they turned down being bought by Microsoft for 40 Billion, not a typo, and then sold them for 4 billion because they must've realized that brand was spreading like a virus and making them moronic.
I was trying to not think about them honestly but thanks. I needed new nightmares. They fumbled a bag more than 3 times and now they want to give that former ceo/loose prostitute a shot at more silicon valley jobs. Do old men in silicon valley just like fricking fimbos that much or what. Frick, why did I have to read that article.
I tried Disney+ due to a black Friday deal and it's absolutely awful. How the frick do they justify it at full price when it's not even worth the $2 USD? It doesn't even have the de-specialized versions of the original trilogy which I can now only assume Disney is saving as an emergency backup when shit really hits the fan.
I think marketing cost more and I don't think Disney gets 50% of ticket sales.
>I think marketing cost more and I don't think Disney gets 50% of ticket sales.
Could be, anon. I'm not an ~~*insider*~~ by any means and base my assessment strictly on what I have read around the internets via a variety of different sources.
The marketing was way more than 100 mil and the reshoot numbers are a conservative guess, and we won't know the real numbers for a year most likely since it will be split between 23 and 24 filings, so early 24 will be the earliest total estimates but those loss numbers will be north of 300 million even with the tax credit. They'll split the loss between two years to try and hide it.
>those loss numbers will be north of 300 million
And that's just for ONE film.
Wish is bombing just as hard, though I don't think it cost as much.
~~*Disney*~~ has lost well over a billion dollars this year between their shit films and TV projects. Why people are still holding their stock is beyond me...
>I don't think it cost as much.
haha
you would be surprised but the first reported budget was 200 mil and it had more work done to it as well and that is traditional animation which takes more time.
On top of that, it was a pseudo-capstone movie for disney's centennial, so the marketing was everywhere.
The losses for wish, per ratio of gross expenditure should actually exceed marvels. By percentage but obviously they can hide that easier since they did not have to disclose numbers. Same with gotg 3, since it was shot in georgia.
>pseudo-capstone movie for disney
More like a grave stone...
>Studios earn about 50% of world wide sales.
Studios only get 50% domestically. They get less internationally because of shady accounting!!!FACT!!!
>Studios only get 50% domestically.
Could be, anon. I've read they can average around 60% for domestic sales and 40% for international, which is around 50% of total sales. Only the ~~*Hollywood*~~ accountants know for sure, though.
>They lost nearly their reported budget
So basically, they would have been better off if they made the movie and didn't try to sell it to anyone. That's insane. I hope the next 10 Disney movies suffer this badly. I hope Disney World is a ghost town. I'm going to laugh so fricking hard when they chapter 11.
For perspective everybody
Mortal engines had some cool dogfights and designs, felt like what SW should have been at timest
So, this is the tops then, right? It looks like the closest equivalent is The Lone Ranger, that cost less and made more.
So Wish and The Marvels, the two biggest box office bombs in history got released on the same year?
Jesus lol.
They got released IN THE SAME MONTH
The list hasn't been updated in awhile. Strange World lost 200,000,000 and Lightyear lost around 100,000,000.
Strange World is the second name on that list
The irony is in home sales/vod and streaming deals along with other backsale moves, John Carter of Mars and recouped like 40 or 50 million after it was out of theaters so even adjusted for inflation is no longer biggest bomb in history.
It's unfair to compare a good movie that was badly marketed like John Carter to actual stinkers.
John Carter was a gay movie
Anon, you didn't even watch it.
I agree but calling it Princess Of Mars would be a hard sell.
I don't watch gay movies. You wouldn't understand.
Those novels helped create every brand you ever gave a shit about, have some respect anon.
I don't read gay novels either
It was shit
>the top 4 are all Disney
>2 of them within a year of each other
Mortal engines is underrated
That list is missing some new entries
update it anon, its on wikipedia
No little mermaid
No Indiana jones
Lol I almost forgot lil nigfish and Geriatric Jones even happened. Damn Disney has become forgettable..
I guess people are waiting for the year to end in order to update the list, since we have some serious contenders
The Flash, the last Indiana Jones, Wish, The Marvels, the mermaid movie of Dreamworks also bombed hard, and I think I'm missing more
Holy frick
Box office math kills the beast
>British tax credit bonus: $55 million
How did the bong government justify (LIE) this.
Can someone explain to me why a billion £££ company is receiving £55million of my and my fellow bongs hard earned tax money? What the actual frick? How does this movie, the studio anything, how is it even remotely related to my nation?
It’s reparations for protecting you from the rest of Europe.
Prefer to be speaking German
>german
Uh huh kemosabe, that ship has sailed, you can pick between Farsi or Hindi.
>Brie Larson has the presence and bearing of an Applebee's hostess, while black chick looks more like a stylist in a weave shop, and Muslim chick looks more like a high school supermarket cashier.
Gee, I wonder why nobody wasted their time or money watching that garbage...
chuddies can't stop getting away with it
How did we do it chudbros? I fear our power.
female ensemble movies will always be a disaster
Nobody buys into them because female camaraderie does not exist. I work with women. All they do is gossip about each other. Whoever isn’t there that day is the target. And when they’re not talking about each other, they’re talking about their own family members. At least men will talk about something autistic and fictional like powerscaling superheroes or athletes. Female teamups only work in animation like Power Puff Girls and Sailor Moon because there’s already a layer of non-reality.
The more as a man I am forced to interact with groups where women are in the majority, the more the respect for women I had beaten into me by my boomer parents dies. They are a lesser species mentally, emotionally and morally. Our ancestors were entirely correct to not trust the vast majority of them to hold any kind of power or responsibility.
>Our ancestors were entirely correct to not trust the vast majority of them to hold any kind of power or responsibility.
If only there had been some kind of warning we could have heeded...
checked
you start to realize we held the door for them because they would frick it up somehow
Dangerously based
I think this is obvious to most men who are around women a lot. I think the difference between now and then, is that men now gave them a chance to show that maybe it was cultural rather than innate. Previous generations knew better, I guess.
previous generations weren't atheists, so they knew better than to try to frick with the natural order
>previous generations weren't atheists
Lucifer, and his agents, never rest. In time, he corrupts every society, and will continue to do so until the final day. It's a lot easier when you convince men that he doesn't even exist...
Previous generations simply didn't give a shit. They didn't have the time or care to give a shit. People also got married back then, and stayed married. Married women can be friends. They often become very close friends for decades. It's single women with unclaimed marital status that are always hypercompetitive.
Here's what Stan Lee has to say about powerscaling.
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Sailor Moon proves the point as her best friends are basically meat shields for her to go and save her husband/boyfriend or her daughter acting upon her maternal instincts above all.
Girls get it done, she's not alone
I kinda liked The Heat with fatso McCarthy and Sandra Bullock.
Unironically, I think Birds of Prey is a good movie. Too bad it had any association at all with SS
The lesson Disney will learn from this is that they didn't go insane woke enough. Watch.
BRIE LARSON IS A STUPID FRICKING prostitute WHO WAS HOMESCHOOLED AND BEEN IN SHOW BUSINESS SINCE SHE WAS A CHILD, NEVER FACED ANY FORM OF ADVERSITY NOR WORKED A SINGLE FRICKING DAY OF HER LIFE AS A HOLLYWOOD CASTING COUCH CUM DUMPSTER, THE FRICKING NERVE OF THIS israelite wienerSLEEVE PREACHING FEMINISM WHEN IT'S THAT PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION THAT HAS MADE HER FAMOUS AND A MILLIONAIRE FOR NOTHING OTHER THAN STANDING IN FRONT OF A CAMERA SAYING SHIT THAT OTHER PEOPLE WRITE WHILE A SMALL ARMY TRIES TO MAKE HER LOOK GOOD, A MONUMENTAL TASK AS SHE'S A FIVEHEAD FUNGI FEET bawd WHO SPERGS OUT IF PEOPLE AREN'T KISSING HER ASS, NO ONE LIKES HER AND COULDN'T EVEN HEADLINE HER OWN SEQUEL ALONE BECAUSE OF HOW FRICKING UNLIKABLE SHE IS AND THAT'S BECAUSE SHE'S.....
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While it's too bad she wasn't on the Titanic as she could have used her paddles to steer the ship away from the iceberg!!!FACT!!!
>that picture
She is fricking gross! WTF is wrong with her body?!
World record holder for the worst fricking feet
>HOMESCHOOLED
But chuds on /misc/ told me homeschooling was based?
It is, but he's using it as an example of how she's never faced hardship.
>those feet
b***h needs a foot transplant
She needs to have Fire Emblem Awakening style feet.
It's the same old marvel dreck so why did it perform so much worse than the first movie?
incel-led hate campaign against the lead actresses
First only did well because of MCU hype at its peak sandwiched between 2 of the biggest movies ever
Second came out after MCU hype ended and when capeshit/Marvel fatigue started to settle in
Generational shift started to settle in
Most Marvelkeks, let alone the general public want to do homework just to understand what is going on with recent movies
Brie and the other 2 aren't box offices draws
Action movies with female leads generally don't do well
The movie sucks
>Action movies with female leads
Are fricking stupid. Who the frick picks women for an "action" film? That's like picking women to be your Olympic team instead of men. "Elite" women athletes can't even compete with high school boys, let alone men. Hell, even MEN can't compete with men, which is why we have the selection processes that we do to weed out the weak and cowardly.
The ~~*Hollywood*~~ feminist power fantasy film only appeals to a small, niche market, as the rest of us, both male and females, think those films just look stupid.
>The first movie was crammed between the most climactic movies in the franchise, pressuring people to see it.
>The first movie was the first taste of a character and performance that overall didn't seem to impress the audience enough for continued interest
>The sequel requires audiences to watch two streaming shows to even know who 2/3rds of the titular cast are. And one of those shows seemed to be marketed to a teen girl demographic.
Why do they pander to an audience that doesn't watch capeshit? How many more billions are they going to dump into something that will never happen?
i think marketing departments kept telling them how nerd fanboys are brand loyal so you will keep them no matter what and just need to appeal to everybody else
turns out nerds are very obsessive about and loyal to the hobbies/interests, but when they have finally had enough, that obsession still remains and the love turns to hate, so they embark on a crusade to destroy the people that took their hobby/interest away from them
imagine betraying your fanatical fanbase for some fashion hopping brainlets lmao
As it should be
These people still don't know why Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. They just think that whatever they make is going to be gold and find success. Nepobabies getting jobs and fricking them up badly is like their pasttime.
What lesson will Disney take away from this failure?
That they needed to be more gay, black, and trans. The problem was that Brie was a white bio woman who was inherently fat shaming by not being obese.
they're desperately trying to hide bringing back the avengers to flip that corpse over and refry it so...triple down? Double, triple-down? More message for the pyre that was Disney. At first I thought starwars was going to be the big epic business tale of brand destruction but honestly, destroying a company the size of disney on top of what they did to their brands is just impressive. The amount of mismanagement could be an odyssean tale after all is said and done.
Replying to myself here but i think their takeaway is "dont risk too much on one movie. Make several cheaper gay Woke movie instead"
They might also think it failed because people are tired of superhero movies, so maybe theyll look for some other IP to make Woke gay movies with
Under no circumstance do i think theyll stop with the Woke gayness
>Make several cheaper gay Woke movie instead
It's a "visibility" thing. Nobody watches those cheap movies except weird film nerds.
They have to woke-ize the most visible (biggest) movies, because those wield the most cultural influence.
The big dollar value is part of it, hence the fake Billion Dollar Box Office empty-cinemas stunt for Craptain Marvel 1 and Black Manther.
The problem now is they can't do it again (and I bet Brie screeched about it), because it exposes too much of the HW money laundering systems which then becomes part of the public discourse, led by our little website here. Nobody is just saying "Yuck, she's horrible. Why is she in this?", they're now asking "How can they afford this? The economics of it don't make sense!". And if one thing is gonna trigger the normie revolution, it's rich privileged shits getting a free (luxury) ride while they're not even able to afford a Big Mac and everyone in the media spider-web screaming in their ear about how "entitled" they are if they don't like it.
Movies, TV, vidya, sports, education, government, military… is there anything that hasn’t been affirmative action’d into oblivion?
Islam.
Manga
hollywood can't supplant the industry because Sony bought crunchy and effectively protected from being moved out of Japan. Though nothing is stopping them from investing and forcing their will that way.
SO MANY FRICKING moronS MAKING UP NUMBERS FROM THEIR FRICKING ASS IN THIS THREAD
THE FRICKING PRODUCTION BUDGET IS LITERALLY LISTED IN OP'S PIC, AND ALL OF YOU STUPID c**tS ARE ALL PULLING WILDLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS OUT OF YOUR ASSES FOR YOUR DUMB FRICKING CALCULATIONS
THE NUMBER IS LITERALLY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU DUMB homosexualS.
That number was before reshoots, which was reported by Forbes at the time of publication and during Q3 and not including Q4 23 or Q1 24, with final marketing cost, theater split, post-tax credit filings included. So that number is very, very low, angry shill poster.
The Marvels lost a million billion trillion dollars. Prove me wrong, shill.
300 plus million
including marketing It also had reshoots but also tax breaks
but what ever the final number
it’s a colossal flop costing Disney more than 250 million
brie is doing pretty well
but doesn't have frick you money
>And I, am the MCU.
Marvel used to have a Lloyd George sized penis, now it has a Hitler sized one.
> Disney is completely confident in Deadpool 3.
I think it's going to flop.
I liked the Foxmen for the most part and bringing the multiverse to deadpool without him killing it is biggest brand bag fumble ever.
>2 popular characters crossover
>2 charismatic male leads
>R-rating
>Multiverse cameos
No chance
People went to see MCU movies because they had a "seal of quality", audiences trusted Marvel. Even if a Marvel movie was below par, it was usually still at a high level of quality and the characters weren't shatt on.
> Pushed Diversity shit.
> Turned Thor into a joke.
> Turned Wanda into a cartoon villain.
> Confusing self-referencing multiverse shit which casual audiences despise.
The audiences wanted none of these things, and resented popular characters being turned into morons/villains while Team Diversity was elevated.
Wanda turning into a villain could have actually been very kino. In fact, she'd have been a way better Avengers level threat than We Wuz Kang, and felt more impactful if written right because we are already familiar with her.
I saw Wandavision expecting her to take on this role, and was so disappointed in how they actually took the character. Such a fricking confusing mess. I thought they would go "let's make this into our Dark Phoenix story, but people are tired of seeing that story so much so we will do something similar and do it right this time."
Boy was I fricking wrong. Multiverse of Mad shit is where I gave up entirely. I was holding on to some hope. Sam Rami on a Doc Strange flick? Scarlet Witch getting powered up? Hell, it felt like it had the chance to turn things around. But no. It was the most disappointing piece of shit ever. Loki was the only good series and only as a standalone. Didn't even bother with season 2.
With marketing costs, Yidsney could have BURNED 200 million dollars and saved money rather than releasing this steaming pile of woke dogshit LMAO, also JFL at the UK for being cucks who wasted 55 million of this woke AMERICAN movie, talk about being pathetic yankie lapdogs, but hey atleast you aren't speaking German right goys?
>vaguely aware of Marvels coming out
>look at the cast
>Brie, nobody gives a shit about her character and the actress has negative charisma and charm
>some random black woman because they need to get a loud black woman who is always right, it's never really fully explained who she is and why anyone should care (unlike other major Marvel characters that even a rando person off the street can vaguely know and place)
>frumpy pakistani superhero covered up to her eyeballs in a frumpy costume, she's apparently from Disney plus or something and looks like a tertiary character at best or someone who shows up in the background just to stand around a bit
>all the marketing anyone even sees is these three unlikeable off-putting characters pose around
>no mention of the plot
>no mention of what any of them are about or what their powers are specifically
>no context of any kind, you can't even place WHERE the movie is going to take place
>virtually no information about the movie is conveyed other than the there main characters existing
>later on find out that the main villain is another black woman (with gold in her teeth) who's acting unhinged
I'd be hard pressed to figure out a better audience repellent than this. It's a miracle it even got the money it did. I have no clue what kind of person even went to see this. I guess maybe OCD freaks that compulsively need to watch anything Marvel releases so they don't miss some crucial side info or whatnot.
The best part? Wish is also bombing just as hard. The only reason it might not be the biggest bomb is the budget which is about 20-50 million lower.
Carol isn’t coming back, is she…
She died on the way back to her home planet.
>UK 55M tax credit
Brexit sisters, I thought we left the communist EU and are based now? what's going on?
Getting Hijacked by Disney is based. Just ask the BBC, the publicly funded propaganda arm.
you lost, get over it
>giving tax breaks to companies to encourage them to shoot films in the UK is bad for some reason
Wow cant believe that pissing off incels would have such a huge financial impact on your movie. Maybe they should pander to them instead.
More like everyone is tired of slop, homosexual moron.
Really? If they made an XMen reboot WITHOUT race or gender swapping any of the roles or injecting any identity politics into it the movie would make 2 billion dollars. That’s a fact. People are fricking sick to death of being preached at and scolded by progressive dumbfricks. People are sick of American politics being injected into movies that are supposed to be fun. Capeshit isn’t dead, woke media is.
>If they made an XMen reboot WITHOUT race or gender swapping any of the roles or injecting any identity politics into it the movie would make 2 billion dollars.
No it wouldn't. The superhero fatigue is real. It's more than that, people in general are losing interest in theaters because they are too expensive and your experience is often ruined by kids and joggers. People prefer home cinema instead.
I respectfully disagree. People still love going to the movies as long as you show them something with some heart, not more soulless screeching about girl power or magical basketball Americans.
>soulless screeching about girl power or magical basketball Americans.
Anon, what do you think X-men is?
Guardians of the galaxy did well, people are just tired of woke shit that's all.
X-Men is literally about identity politics.
Nah, it’s about mutants you moron. All that identity politics shit is retcon Stan Lee spouted after it was fed to him.
Remember the first marvel movie was a massive flop as well since Disney had to do some tricks to get the 1 billion revenue for the movie despite everyone reporting completely empty theaters for the movie. Since they were paying for Fox in disney shares, they couldnt let the movie flop that would hurt the share prices so they did everything they could to bolster it up.
In comparison, current disney is very poor right now and cant do the same tricks to bolster their box office revenues anymore which is why all their movies are naturally flopping.
Thanks for the analysis based on made up bullshit from a broke sexless moron who believes memes and lives with mom, really keen insight there
>Disney had to do some tricks to get the 1 billion revenue for the movie despite everyone reporting completely empty theaters for the movie.
lmao, this cope again
Your bait is stank, like your axe wound neovegana.
>ticket sales were inflated
>ticket sales were legit but the movie sucked so much, the sequel made 1/5 the box office
which one is it? neither looks good
So where's all the headlines declaring The Marvels the biggest bomb of all time?
I was told that's what The Flash was for weeks
I’m still holding out hope it tops John Carter.
It's run isn't over. It'll be decided in like 2 weeks.
the flash wasn’t even that bad, it just got a short stick because Ezra is crazy and got media’d
Ehhhhhh, it wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be (pretty much solely thanks to Michael Keaton) but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it good.
If Ezra had been a straight white man he’d be selling condos in the Caymans (see Armie Hammer) the media was nicer to him than that loony fruit deserved.
Blatantly untrue Anon. They wrote bullshit like this. Point to where the media gave him any sympathy whatsoever, it was all hyperbolic nonsense.
Lmao and he didn’t even do anything
Raping an underage obese moronic Indian girl is something. Breaking and entering into the neighbors house is something. Also worst of all, israeli. Yuck.
are you moronic or just media illiterate?
Honestly it’s amazing how quick libs abandoned Ezra, even lumped him in with the “straight white male crowd” while defending the Marvels with whataboutisms that they can flop too.. So much for respecting pronouns.
Libtards eat their own at the drop of the hat. What condemned Ezra is anyone center to right becoming totally media illiterate overnight and just letting confirmation bias take over.
Ezra exists at the nexus of multiple sociopolitical debates currently in play, he was never gonna get a fair shot
>"the media was nice to Ezra"
He did way more text messages which Armie Hammer and Justin Roiland both lost their entire careers over but there’s a key fundamental difference between those two men and Gaylord McJewface. Wonder what it is.
What text messages? Post them.
>way more than text messages
Is what it should have said.
Post the text messages about Ezra or you're talking out of your ass and proving our point, he did nothing wrong other than dumb petty shit
Goddamn you’re fricking dumb. Read what I amended.
What is there against Ezra? What proves anything beyond overblown hearsay?
>petty shit
Kidnapping a kid is just carefree shenanigans I guess.
You do realize the parents never alleged kidnapping to any actual authority, right? They went straight to TMZ and Rolling Stone, then on vacation. No telling the cops, FBI, anything. Sound weird to you at all?
What it sounds like is Warner Brothers showed up with a checkbook to protect their tentpole.
no, it sounds like it was literally fake news that you fell for and now you're trying to save face
the girl herself (who is a lesbian, was never dating him, and is like 20 years old) said it was a smear campaign since Day One, you just ignored that
Yeah I’m sure the mean media (primarily owned and ran by israeli people) are just picking on poor israeli Ezra miller for no reason, not once or twice but 5 separate batshit crazy stories scattered all over Hawaii and Vermont. I’m sure it was all just a smear campaign and he dindu nuffin any of the times even though he personally apologized for being a fricking wackadoo. I’m sure that it.
no one is safe from the media in 2023, plenty of israelites have been taken aim at before, you're incredibly naive to think they care about anything other than money. talking about this israelite made a lot of people a lot of money because people were obsessed with talking about it last year.
and pretty much, he has been stalked by an insane negress for the past 5 years or so and she coordinated a bunch of bullshit. all the unsubstantiated allegations are connected. the stuff he was arrested for obviously happened, but the kidnapping/grooming/assault - all manufactured by the same few people.
he didn't actually even apologize for anything specific, and one can only apologize for things you actually did wrong
>“Having recently gone through a time of intense crisis, I now understand that I am suffering complex mental health issues and have begun ongoing treatment,” Miller said in a statement. “I want to apologize to everyone that I have alarmed and upset with my past behavior. I am committed to doing the necessary work to get back to a healthy, safe and productive stage in my life.”
nowhere in that statement is there any confession to anything, it’s a generic acknowledgement and message to loved ones about their mental health issues. if you think this is an “admittance” to anything let alone crimes like kidnapping or grooming, that’s you projecting meaning that isn’t there.
like what was said, use basic media literacy and read beyond a headline.
this is the woman whose ex filed fake CPS reports on Ezra's house, the mom and her kids stayed there for a few weeks over the summer before moving out on their own. this is where the "ezra is holding kids hostage" came from.
he got fricked over for going out of his way to help someone, no one is saying he "dindu nuffin" but the amount of twisting that happened is hard to ignore and the media facilitated it by blasting uncorroborated allegations and then dropping it when it became convenient/no longer lucrative
and it's pathetic because the same useful idiots who say "believe all women" just ignored every woman who wasn't saying what they wanted/went against the narrative
>their reign of terror
lmao gotta respect that pronoun no matter what, eh?
Those were disneyshill articles, the flash was a disaster but it's not going to make the top 5 worse flops of 2023
Yeah sorry, I'm not paying money to watch Brie marry some zipperhead chink. Or some terrorist doing her demon religion chants.
I actually saw this today to see the last MCU movie in a theatre. There may be X-men and Fantastic Four going forward but this is the end of the bonanza that started with Iron Man 15 years ago. This is a dead horse.
I want to save her.
It’s literally only 22 million away from breaking even. Should hit 219 million sometime in the next 3 weeks especially with Christmas coming up. Anything after that is a profit. Why do chuds keep lying about this films success?
Lol too blatant, be more subtle if you want people to take your bait.
Not that shrimple, anon
Just give it up. It won’t even reach its post tax break production budget let alone break even.
maybe they arent reporting it because its sooo many numbers and figures they cant even keep up? ever think about that, chud?
i can fix her
it looks like there are triplets if not quadruplets in that belly
imagine nutting so hard in Brie she has quadruplets
Fricking glorious.
this thread is all well and good about how much money this made them lose but theyve got enough from other films... are the really hurting from this? especially with spidey 4 coming soon?
Can one of Cinemaphile's resident accountants tell me if this flopped harder than The Flash in terms of a cost-to-profit ratio? I need to know how hard to laugh.
It definitely did, considering:
- this movie isn't going to even sniff the $270M Flash made
- we know for a fact Marvels spent more on television advertisements alone, so the overall marketing budget was probably higher
- the budget for Marvels was $220M (technically $275M, but they got a subsidy from the UK government), while the budget for Flash has been reported as being anywhere from $190M to $220M
so just off those basic numbers we know right now, it's going to flop harder, and this is before accounting for home media and merch sales, which Flash has a lot of because of Keaton Batman
I see people talk about the marketing but I have to confess as someone who actually still watches broadcast TV and listens to commercial radio for about 10 hours every day, I have never seen or heard a single ad for this movie and I wouldn't even know it existed if not for threads here.
what channels do you watch or listen to?
All the Australian FTA channels. As for radio, the station I mostly listen to is a smaller local station but it's still played ads for Thanksgiving and Napoleon. Less often I listen to the larger stations like Triple M and Hit and I'll admit my listening time for these two has been small, I haven't heard a peep about the Marvels on them either.
I saw the ad in Singapore MRT stations, which rarely play ads at all, it's usually train timings or PSA videos only
The Flash reported production budget: $220 million
Estimated marketing costs: $220 million x .5 = $110 million
Estimated total costs for The Flash: $330 million
Estimated total costs: $330 million
Reported world wide box office: $266 million
With studios allegedly taking 50% of worldwide box office, The Flash managed to earn them $133 million dollars, which means they potentially lost $197 million dollars from the theater run. However, there were re-shoots involved, which could drive the losses higher than estimated.
Meanwhile, The Marvel's is potentially losing $240 million from its theater run, making it the bigger loser.
there were no major "reshoots" for The Flash, it was 2 days to film a new ending (one day in October 2022 and one day in January of this year)
meanwhile The Marvels literally had 4 WEEKS of reshoots
https://www.slashfilm.com/1436036/the-marvels-underwent-four-weeks-reshoots-was-it-enough/
Lol, a movie with 95% CGI was able to reshoot its ending in two days. Did you proofread this message and think to yourself, “frick yes, that sound reasonable!”? Or do you just sperg your dick beaters onto a keyboard and hope for the best? Cause wew lad.
the movie is 99% the same other than a single scene that was changed between one "ending" to another, so yes, it's fairly easy to switch up
>A shoot was quickly assembled, and on a January morning on the Warners lot, Clooney was there as Wayne, back for the first time in 26 years. Miller was in top form that day, sources say, for what was described as a quick and efficient shoot.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/the-flash-inside-george-clooney-return-batman-1235517975/
Yeah Clooney spent a day there, it doesn’t say the entire process took a day you frickwit. It was basically voice over work for him.
the point is it's still not "extensive reshoots" or even remotely comparable to the extra 4 weeks of filming The Marvels had
I don’t how long it was buddy except that it was most definitely 100 fricking percent longer than a day. Added to that the fact that Miller himself went back for reshoots on several different occasions. There are some sources that put the total production costs at 300 million.
yeah, he went back for reshoots over the summer when he was supposed to actually be on the run from the cops too, crazy how that works
discussing the flash movie is like discussing cryptids at this point
Really makes your cogs whir.
One of those movies is a money laundering scheme and the other is a movie about a big lizard.
Brie's not that ugly you dumb chud
I'm gonna go watch it this tuesday brehs I'm fricking excited, haven't been in theaters in 6 years.
because brie is box office poison
>Make traditionally male genre movie centred solely around women.
>Horrible casting.
>Horrible writing.
>Horrible directing.
>Horrible costumes.
>Looks like a 70's TV sci-fi show for kids.
I get that it wasn't made for me.
Who was it made for and how comes they didn't turn out to watch it?
It was made for people that enjoy watching black women be heroes. So nobody. Especially black women. There’s is no group of people on this planet that hates black women than black women themselves.
I would've seen it if they dressed her in something sexier
>Comics are fricking shit
>Every MCU fan says they'll just adapt the good comics of old and shit
>They start adapting the comics that killed the comics, turning the MCU into modern day Marvel comics
>MCU fans walk out
All the good stories were adapted in the 90s/early 00s cartoons.
So? Doesn't mean they can't be adapted for the big screen.
I still can't get why people hate Brie so much
How many Marvel flops will Disney go through before the incoming hostile takeover ends up happening? Will it be Fantastic Four where Silver Surfer is a woman and Doom likely will be one too? Or will the next Avengers movie flopping be the one?
I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY EYEEEEES
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE ACHEEEEEEEE
People are tired of
- capeshit
- expensive effects-laden extravaganzas without human drama or emotional sincerity
- lame quippy bathos humour
- angry women shitting on audiences before they've even seen their movie
- girl power
- excessive token diversity
- patronising political correctness in general
All of which this movie has by the fricking ton. The dam is about to burst.
>get told i'm an incel by my sister who barely uses the internet because i offhandedly responded i thought the movie looked bad
I'm fricking homosexual and she's aware of that, jesus fricking christ. she's not even stupid, she's a scientist with master's degrees
>woman
>not stupid
Pick one homosexual.
Maybe she was making a joke and you were too autistic to get it.