I find it funny how Cinemaphile is all for age difference and really weird shit when it comes to pairing characters but then draws the line at this.
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>find it funny how Cinemaphile is a hivemind.
FPBP, the people that like agegaps arent the same people that dislike age gaps. How are you so moronic OP.
He's also the guy that popularized dickbabs, so he literally played himself.
BTAS had barbara date dick...you know bruce's ward/sonfigure
>BTAS had barbara date dick...you know bruce's ward/sonfigure
And she said it was just puppy love and didn't consider it a real relationship.
No? She specifically didnt, they had constant ship bait in tnba after they broke up and only broke up in the first place due to bat shenangians.
>they had constant ship bait in tnba
But there's no proof they actually ever dated again.
> So, you and Dick Grayson, like, dated?
> In college. Puppy love. Later on, we just never talked about it.
They were both out of college by TNBA. So even if it seemed like they might've(and I don't remember that many interactions between the two in TNBA), they never did.
Kind of funny how in the Lost Years they show Babs flirting with Batman even when she’s dating Dick.
The same writer of this mini is the same who officially confirmed it in the Batman Beyond episode. Hilary J Bader. I think she was another who was pro-BruceBabs but we'll never know since she died in 2002.
>NOOOO WE DON'T TOTALLY HAVE HIVEMIND TALKING POINTS ON 4CHINZ
lol who're you trying to fool skippy?
at most there's compeeting hiveminds, but not every point made here is popular or shared, there's distinct groups come on.
Seriously there would have to be at least two hive minds with the Batgays and the anti batgays alone.
nobody likes it because the nature of their relationship would be creepy and they both have much better options. If it weren't for Timm it straight up wouldn't have any traction
The closest this pairing ever got to being not creepy was the Lego Batman Movie.
That's cause Babs was a grown ass woman with a job and not his student who idolizes him
Timm said he likes Brucebabs cause of Batman 66 but then goes out of his way to make Babs completely different from 66 Babs
>Babs was a grown ass woman with a job and not his student who idolizes him
But this describes Babs in TNBA, too. She had her own apartment, a job, and was more a partner than a student.
Batman is somewhere between 25 and 30
Batgirl is 25
I think it’s a bunch of people who got tripped I’ve the name and assumed Batgirl is a teenager. Coupled with the habit of pushing Batman to 30+.
BTAS started Babs as a teen.
BTAS Bruce is probably 34-38 or so by the time of TNBA. He starts being Batman around 23-25, adopts Dick when he's 10, Dick graduates college before TNBA
Babs was introduced as a college student but it was implied she'd been away for a while so likely not a Freshman. Then before TNBA she seems to have graduated college when she was at Dick's graduation which implies she's at least a year older than Dick.
Because Bruce Timm has a Drizzy mentality.
>Drizzy mentality
Drizzy?
>If it weren't for Timm it straight up wouldn't have any traction
If anything Timm is the reason for making it so unpopular in the first place by putting it in places where it was not necessary.
>If it weren't for Timm it straight up wouldn't have any traction
There's a few other instances in the 90's of it, AU stuff mainly. It wasn't until the late 90's that Dick/Babs became the sacred ship. But even Lego Batman had Bruce/Babs
>There's a few other instances in the 90's of it
Even before the 90s they had already flirted with the idea.
>nobody likes it because the nature of their relationship would be creepy
No.
I always see the reasoning being
>But Bruce is Jim Gordon's friend! That's Jim's daughter! Bruce is like a second fathet to her!
While neglecting how many continuities establish James Gordon being a police officer in his 20's/30's when 8 year old Bruce loses his parents.
Or we ignore the fact that there was a point in the comics where Barbara was running around as batgirl commenting on what a cute kid Dick was, while Dick was intimidated and enamored with the older girl.
Frick there was a point in time where Barbara wasn't even Jim's biological daughter. She was the teenage daughter of Jim's brother who he adopts after his brother and sister-in-law die. That shit lasted from the 80's up until Nu-52 started.
Bruce never knew Barbara as a child in almost all continuities. Bruce doesn't meet Babs in most continuities until she's already a legal adult and either about to attend college, already attending college, or having just graduated college. People blame Timm for this shit, but even in BTAS he meets her when she's a college student.
Barbara has always been younger than Bruce, but older than Dick. It's an age gap relationship either way. It only gets vilified if Batman is the one laying pipe because he's a rich white male on his 30's which means he's a disgusting pedophile monster if he fricks a girl in her 20's.
The only point you could make about it being creepy is the fact that she's also Dick's love interest. To which I say it's no worse than the ship baiting they used to do between Dick and Helena Wayne Huntress back in the day, Dick effectively wanting to bone his adoptive sister and Bruce's daughter.
No one likes dick x helena wayne tho.
I do.
Holy cope Batman
There's also the fact that BTAS Gordon was trying to get Babs to date an older Police officer in her debut Batgirl episode. So that the idea of Gordon being offended by her dating an older guy goes out the window.
Bruce did imply he met Babs before he saw her in college, but it's never stated just how young she was. And either way Bruce in BTAS was late 20's/early 30's at most.
The issue gets further confused when people post fanart(like that Christmas comic with a young Barbara) or cross wires with mainline comic things.
He said he watched her grow up and she was deaged specifically to be the same age as dick (while before she was about a decade older).
>nobody likes it
It's bust Dick, Dickbabs and batfamgays who screech about it. Everyone else can see or accept it exists for drama.
>a job
>more a partner than a student.
I don't what version of TNBA you watched. She's a student and a daddy's girl who is never show working or mention work. She's girl Robin until a new Robin came in.
>She's a student and a daddy's girl who is never show working or mention work
Then you haven't watched it in a while, she does computer works at GCPD .
Dick graduated before TNBA even started so Barbara almost certainly did too.
From Girl's Night Out:
>It's my job. I'm a systems and data analyst at police headquarters.
>Aside from paying my rent, it gives me access to all police activity.
She has a job, she pays rent, we see her apartment.
Well, I stand corrected. I only remembered the apartment and assumed her dad was behind that. But turn out he gaves her a job. She's just immature and a daddy's girl.
The side that likes kid's cartoons loves agegaps because they themselves are old and coming to grips with that.
The comics side less so
Cinemaphile thinks it wants freaky degenerate shit until it starts actually happening canonically in media, then they become pearl clutching soccer moms
Another good example is Cinemaphile constantly jerking it to yuri shipping right up until lesbians became actually commonplace in cartoons. I remember the tiny horse threads and the homestuck threads and how many thousand times that time Toph kissed Suki got reposted.
The good days.. before 2016.
The people who wanted yuri were all older anons, the ones who seethe about lesbians are all anons in their teens and 20's who got grifted into finding a target to hate and blame their misfortune on.
Both groups can't get laid buy coped about it in different ways
As someone who was a young teen right before all that and only got to consume F/F through fanfics cause I didn't know how to pirate.. I have thoroughly enjoyed the yuri.
Frick you DIsney. Fake ass 'allies'. At least Apex had the balls to tell Saudi Arabia to frick off and that the LGBT flag stays in.
>Allies means always doing what the other group says..
This kinda thought process is why so many people hate the LGBT. .
No anon. I am shitting on Disney because despite the fact they claim to be down with the homos they fricked Owl House S3 good and hard. That's the point. Its a 'practice what you preach you fricktards' situation.
Kids weren't watching it anon, clearly not enough “adults” did ether it wasn’t a horse show situation where despite reaching a new audience it was a big enough fanbase. Not everything is against an agenda sometimes it’s just business and the show wasn’t making enough cash.
All for age gap, exception being when you're fricking your friend's daughter who's your son's age. Also fricking your student who idolizes you is bad form IMO.
Wouldn't use the word creepy though since I'm not a gay.
What about the best old guy young girl couple? Does Cinemaphile like it? Rogue can't keep herself from him for 30 years now.
Angg/Katara is the best oldman young girl pairing he's 98 years older than her
Mags has kids older than Rogue and he even has grandchildren too though.
She represents the ultimate violation of the Bro Code: the daughter of Bruce's close friend, and the girlfriend of his adoptive son.
personally i don't think it fits batman's character
batman isn't the kind of dude that would hook up with someone he feels responsible for
that's why he's always hooking up with femme fatales cause their inherently independent from him, there's no power imbalance
This bruce has mommy issues he likes dominering women (selina, talia) not girls.
>batman isn't the kind of dude that would hook up with someone he feels responsible for
I dunno, he fell kind of hard for Batwoman.
but she was an equal not a subordinate.
>personally i don't think it fits batman's character
The argument Timm has made, and which I actually find convincing, is that Bruce by the time of TNBA would very much hook up with someone he felt "responsible for," because he could control her. DCAU Bruce is a control freak, arguably even more than he's ever been in the comics. It's the whole reason Dick stormed off in a huff in the first place. It's something Terry constantly has to deal with in Beyond. Bruce likes having a very tight hold on operations, on everything, and it only grew more pronounced over time.
In this regard, Barbara is exactly who he'd frick because she's literally a subordinate. She's under his thumb. She's a safe frick. Eventually Barbara realized this too, which is why, as per Beyond, she left and never looked back.
It's not NICE but it's in-character. Timm was more restrained when he was working on the DCAU, and he had good storytellers like Dini and Burnett to subdue his worst impulses. In-story, Bruce/Barbara works, because it's not supposed to end well.
Its still a fundamentally moronic take on the character that was specifically not there in tnba, he has zero interest in her torught it all, so its just timm wanting his wank fest.
They seemed to hint at the relationship more in the supplementary materials and I don’t remember any of them being written by Timm. To be fair, though their canonicity was always dubious.
>batman isn't the kind of dude that would hook up with someone he feels responsible for
The real failure in writing is making everyone some surrogate found family bullcrap with Bruce as the daddy. Barbara should be the last person that Bruce should feel "responsible for." She's her own independent adult career woman who can choose this lifestyle entirely of her own volition.
>The real failure in writing is making everyone some surrogate found family bullcrap with Bruce as the daddy
Blame the usual suspects for that.
>The real failure in writing is making everyone some surrogate found family bullcrap with Bruce as the daddy.
I've never understood the complaints about this. It's a good use of Bruce's character and background. He had his family taken from him as a child, so he subconsciously builds a new family around himself as an adult. It works perfectly well.
Because a) it infantilizes characters who have no business being reduced to that level, b) it spreads out Bruce's attention when it should be focused on his actual blood son, and c) the closest that surrogate family relationship came to being a reality was with Jason and look how that turned out. Even with Dick, their relationship was more surrogate older brother than father, Barbara started as Bruce's equal as a career woman, and Tim's initial hook was that he already had a real family and didn't need Bruce for that. You want Bruce to be a dad, fine. He has a son, show them doing father-son stuff. Leave the rest out of it because it massively diminishes their characters.
>Even with Dick, their relationship was more surrogate older brother than father,
This is just blatantly not true, Dick was Bruce's ward and they had father-son dynamics as early as the 1970s.
>as early as the 1970s.
So over 30 years after Robin was first created when they were running out of ideas and were shoving him out of the spotlight, which would eventually lead to New Teen Titans, Nightwing, and Jason.
By the 70's they shifted into a brotherly dynamic, for most of the 60's the father son angle really wasn't there, either.
Bruce is only ~12 years older than Dick. He"s basically a big brother promoted to parenthood.
How is that surprising? She became Batgirl because she is a fangirl and one of her two episode in BTAS has her daydreaming about Batman kissing her.
The idea of Batman impregnating Batgirl is so hot I love it
Babs doesn't take nearly enough selfies in canon to justify the fanart.
People don't want to see their favorite hero fricking his adopted son's ex-girlfriend. What's hard to understand about that?
She was never properly his girlfriend. Dick fumbled the bag.