>batman using guns and killing numerous people
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>batman using guns and killing numerous people
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Maybe you missed the part where this Batman was an unhinged psychopath that had been murdering people for years. He changes back to what he was after Superman's death. This is pretty straightforwardly explained throughout these movies. Not that hard to keep up unless you're moronic or something.
Batman NEVER KILLS
He has many several times over the years in a number of adaptations and stories.
he doesn't murder, but he does kill. Meaning he's not going to go out of his way to dead someone, but if someone dies in the course of his work, that's just how it be. He has no active intent to take a life ever. Like a doctor must "do no harm", but he absolutely will harm people, it will just be incidental or accidental, just never on purpose. Same for Batman. He's never going to kill on purpose. But he does kill.
Fricking lmao, how many times has he saved the Joker's life over the years when he didn't have to?
he does that because then the fun would be over
Funny thing is doesn't he redeem himself the moment he stops himself from killing Superman? And he pulls this shit
in the scene RIGHT after that? So what the frick was he on? Murder relapse? You stupid fricking dipshit.
Maybe you lack reading comprehension so i'll type my sentence all over again.
Take two
He changes back to what he was after Superman's death
Ok, you can continue being a stupid moron. Can't wait to read what stupid bullshit nonsense you will come up with next.
Okay I knew you were going to say that so, it's honestly funny how the movies just treat Batman like murder is forgivable. Batman, actual paragon of justice, does not believe that he himself deserves to be punished for it. It just makes him look like a stupid fricking hypocrite.
>Okay I knew you were going to say that so
Oh, so you fricked up on the intent on my argument on purpose? Are you sure you're not the real Batman? You seem to be 5 steps ahead of all of us, ace!
>funny how the movies just treat Batman like murder is forgivable
That's his ENTIRE character pathos in Snyder's Justice League. He's seeking redemption because he feels he failed Superman.
Again, buddy, these movies lay out all of this very clearly. It's not like they're these subtle master works.
Apply yourself.
>Apply yourself.
I accept your concession.
>I accept your concession.
>can't even keep track of 2 anons
>So you fricked up on the intent on my argument on purpose?
No, I just thought he redeemed his character by choosing not to kill Superman and it's funny that he does this shit immediately after. Yeah I get that he's seeking redemption in ZSJL but that doesn't stop that fact that he still looks like an absolute hypocrite. Batman of all people should know that murder is not a line you cross and go back from.
The best part of all of this is, BvS works better if Batman didn't kill anyone else. If Superman was the first man he was willing to murder. The movie even sets this up; Batman telling Alfred that Superman is too big of a threat, Batman even convincing himself that Superman wasn't HUMAN, (You were never a god, you were never even a man) as if justifying to himself that killing him would be okay. And this would ACTUALLY make the Martha scene work better too, if that's what made Batman realize that yes, Superman WAS human, fricking hell he even says it himself, "He's more human than all of us" or some shit. They set ALL of this up, and they fricking ruin it by having Batman kill a bunch of nameless Russian goons.
But no, these movies are just disappointing.
Batman works with murderers and has forgiven murderers, there are murderers in the JL and he works with them too, batman at best considers murder something HE can’t come back from but he even fricks murderers and has a murderous son, Talia is a murderer and Damien can be a murderer as well. Batman is literally surrounded by murderers. One of his adoptive sons at a minimum also becomes a murderer in some continuities.
>batman at best considers murder something HE can’t come back from
Yeah I was going to say the whole Red Hood thing kind of makes his stance on murderers look bad, but the point is HE does the murdering in this movie
Yeah but batman is always a hypocrite about murder, he is. Doesn’t matter at this point in nearly all modern continuities he has bizarre standards for murderers. For example he’ll even occasionally work with someone that has murdered and wants to murder him, for example he has been known to work with Harley who is a known murderer. He forgives his son for murder and his adoptive son for murder and his girlfriend for murder but Superman he won’t forgive for murdering the joker of all people in some continuities he’s like whoa! Outta control man! Batman’s a fricking moron.
>Batman’s a fricking moron.
One time he teamed up with the murderer of his parents lol. Yeah.
>HE does the murdering in this movie
Because he's off the edge. Alfred keeps telling him so the entire movie. He was so off his game he fricking left himself be manipulated by Lex Luthor becuase his rage was so off the charts. He was willing to get in a fisticuff with a man that can bench-press a building.
>The best part of all of this is, BvS works better if Batman didn't kill anyone else. If Superman was the first man he was willing to murder.
You're missing the point of Batman character arc. It wasn't just about him seeing Superman as a world-ending threat, it was about him giving up on himself as well, on his ideals and codes.
>Batman willing to murder
>it was about him giving up on himself as well, on his ideals and codes.
Th...That's exactly what I was saying, anon....
that scene is taken directly from the comics
But if Batman is so far gone that he's killing people without hesitation, then having "Martha' shouted him wouldn't have stopped him from killing Superman. It's Snyder wanting his cake and eat it too, but if you turn Batman into a merciless killer, then you have to construct a better reason for him to suddenly show mercy than simply his mothers name shouted at him. Especially since there was no setup for either thing.
>But if Batman is so far gone that he's killing people without hesitation, then having "Martha' shouted him wouldn't have stopped him from killing Superman
Moron, that's the ONE thing that could've stopped him.
Why?
Because Batman's entire life and purpose revolves around Thomas and Martha's deaths.
NTA but the death of his parents was the defining moment of his life. It created Batman. Hearing Superman wanting to save his own mother shook him out of his blind rage, and the fact that they had the same name helped. It humanized Superman to him, instead of a faceless alien he was suddenly a kindred spirit. Snyder kinda bashed us over the head with this so I’m assuming this is bait but whatever.
I still don't understand how people seem to miss this detail that they hit you in the face with.
Alfred and Bruce pretty much argue this inside the batcave when Bruce tells him they've always been criminals
Here the scene.
A Lonely Place of Dying, by Marv Wolfman.
It's mostly people that don't pay attention and only saw Batman gunning down criminals and going "hey! batman shouldn't kill!". When he has done so repeatedly in many stories throughout his 80 years of existence.
Even besides the history of Batman killing in the comics, it tells the audience in the movie that he doesn't give a shit about petty criminals at this point, ESPECIALLY when he sees Superman as a world ending threat.
Batman killing them is nothing in comparison.,
>it tells the audience in the movie that he doesn't give a shit about petty criminals at this point
And boy, does Snyder tell you. BvS is basically 2 hours of Batman being a murdering machine. But it's fine, because that's the story. You see how much he changed in ZNJL.
Batman doesn't kill people
Depends on the story.
That wouldn't have been too bad if this was like the third or fourth film we saw of this batman which shows how he reached that point but since this was the first one it was hard believing that he'd kill
Stfu, it's a panel (scene) lifted from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.
We're talking about the movies, nerd.
good morning sir
This was never clarified in any of those movies, sir.
how strong do you have to be to shoot that with one hand?
You have to be a big guy.
shooting an m60 with one arm is not that hard if you tuck it in, you just can't hit anything. but with an outstretched arm it's nearly impossible.
Snyder does not understand any of the source material he adapts from
I like how in the sequels his lunacy is completely forgotten about, you’d think non one would want to associate with him after he went around branding people and trying to kill earths best defender.
I hate the no guns shit, it’s fricking stupid, Batman kills people in every single movie. Those fricks he slammed into with the Batmobile in the cabin of the 18 wheeler joker was in? Those frickers are dead. Who gives a shit if he uses a gun occasionally? His no kill rule doesn’t make any sense either it’s just stupid shit to justify he rouges gallery always surviving every encounter, with how viciously he brutalizes thugs he’s killed several of them.
It's literally part of his character that Batman doesn't kill you goof
>It's literally part of his character that Batman doesn't kill you goof
according to whom?
His origin story!!!!!
Pretty much every Batman story of the last 80 years that is thought well of and not hated?
Burton's Batman killed all the time in Batman and Batman Returns, what are you on?
Nolan's Batman killed Two-Face and also Ra's Al Ghul if you're not being a pedantic homosexual.
guns are boring though
Batman uses guns and kills goons in TDKR which the movie was based on.
Nice bait you stupid homosexual. If you can't understand picture books made for children then good luck with the rest of your life.
No, it's you who has trouble understanding art. And you outed yourself as a pissy little homosexual who gets mad at the drop of a hat. Get fricked homosexual.
>people being blown away
>dur hur they're dead
Dumb frick. You would have had a better argument if you argued that Batman COULD have broken Joker's neck. NEXT.
You're a crying little homosexual who got completely assblasted. End yourself.
>I won because I say I won
I genuinely pity people who lack the mental capacity to understand picture books. How else would you show Batman take out groups of goons with the Batmobile? or a fricking Bat tank? Gas them? Electrocute them? Shoot rubber bullets at them? He does all of that in this comic in this exact same action sequence, you absolute moron. Read an actual book.
You're so pathetically gay it's funny. Keep entertaining me.
>Likes to be entertained by gays
Sounds pretty homosexual to me, anon.
No, you're a little b***h who is trying to squirm out of embarrassing himself with his stupidity.
He wouldn’t do any of those things if he didn’t want to kill people but he does.
In the comic it said he didn't kill them
dont worry it's just rubber bullets
Batman 89 drone attacked the Jokers chemical plant killing several goons and also the bat plane was loaded with guns he shot right at the Joker.
Neither of which feel like he's going out of his way to murder.
Lol wut? Blowing up a chemical plant with a bunch of people mere feet from the bomb is absolutely attempting to kill them.
>willingly carpet bombs an occupied building
>not murder
still better than the dark knight
>if you kill a killer, the amount of killers stays the same
But if you kill lots of killers then the amount decreases. Checkmate detective.
Shut it idiot
>cannot math
>calls others idiots
go back to r3dd*t, manchild
May I ask if you are moronic
but what if i killed a killer's killer who killed the killer of the one i killed?
If you kill a thousand killers then there'll be 999 killers less in the world.
DIE MOTHAFRICKAS
DIE MOTHAFRICKAS
KILL
Bro...the point is, he was bad person, Superman sacrifices himself, he is good person and believes in humanity now! That Superman, who is ironically NOT human, made Batman believe in humanity.
My entire point was you can still get that point across without Batman murdering people. Because the fact that he was willing to cross his line for Superman would be enough. Again, they set it up in the movie, they say Batman's become more brutal and rageful.
>Superman forced to kill Zod due to extenuating circumstances in MoS, completely comicbook accurate
>manchildren and comicgays whine and screech and call him man of murder
>rather than pander to a group of mouthbreathing idiots, Snyder decides to ignore them and double down by making Batman a straight up cold killer
>in the process, makes the greatest superhero film of all time
>comicgays continue to seethe
How can one man be so based?
>greatest superhero film of all time
what? synder directed tdk? oh that’s news
The police should arrest Batman.
More images from the movie that show that Batman behavior started roughly 18 months ago.
Batman does not kill
He killed a bunch of league of shadows guys in that mountain
He just fought them he didn't kill them
He literally caused an explosion that brought down the temple killing several people and crushes Ken Watanabe's character.
Batman didn't kill him. The beam did.
This version of Batman has been active for many years, he's seen some shit. He's been through the death of Jason Todd and beat Joker near-to-death as a result. Years of seeing Gotham just get worse with a new wave of criminals always ready to step in once he takes out the old ones. He's reached the point where it doesn't matter if criminals die by his hand, there's always more.
Why didn't they let Snyder make a movie of Batman dad from the flashpoint universe
The alcoholic Batman Affleck played killed a bunch if I remember correct
Bruce is talking about himself here.
why is alfred so invested in bruce anyways? what does he get out of it? does he have enough money to do hookers and blow as much as he wants when he's not helping bruce?
He's like a son to him. He practically raised him.
but why would he raise him? what part of alfreds psychology made him do this?
He saw a good boy losing his entire world in a senseless act of violence. Alfred's a good man.
but what broke alfred to dedicate his life to raising an orphan boy and serving him, while getting little in return? psychologically healthy people dont do this.
His family has served the Waynes for decades. Being a butler for them is a very prestigious position. He also doesn't get little in return. In many stories it has been said he's a very wealthy men because Bruce has given him Wayne Enterprises stock and he also has full access to the Wayne fortune.
so alfred just decided to raise an orphan little boy all by himself for decades with no oversight from others, while never having any apparent personal life of his own, with no gf or wife or kids in sight, and then this boy grows up to be incredibly disturbed and is famously single?
Yeah but he also fricks women and has biological children so it’s obvious he didn’t molest him too hard. Also Bruce probably quadrupled his pay.
Alfred has the easiest job ever, pick some kid up make him dinner dust the mansion. He probably pulled 100k a year doing that since Thomas was quite charitable.
wtf? yes they do
My parents and grandparents raised Orphans just because they were there
For all the Batman so called specialists out there... Zack Snyder based his Batman on the comics published during the late 80s and early 90s.
Comics like Batman: The Cult, by Jim Starlin. Or Batman: A Death in the Family, also by Jim Starlin.
KGBeast was also from Jim Starlin.
Not to mention that KGBeast is in the movie.
Huh didn’t know that until now. Thought he was just “generic Russian bad guy”
Nope. Anatoli Knyazev, same name as the comic book character KGBeast.
Damn lucky bastard, he got paid to watch the movie!
Basically, Fran Miller and Jim Starlin were Zack Snyder main inspirations.
Reminder that Snyder wanted Batman to shoot the guy in the head but Warner Bros told him no so he had him shoot his flamethrower pack instead
Reminder that Frank Miller's Batman is a cold blooded killer.
He killed in ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN THE BOY WONDER.
He killed in THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN.
He killed in THE DARK KNIGHT III: THE MASTER RACE
>Reminder that [LISTS DOGSHIT BOOKS]
KEKAROO
They're still part of Frank Miller's canon. You can't discuss THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS without them. Specially when spouting bullshit like "But Frank Miller's Batman never killed!"
>You can't discuss THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS without them.
Yes I can, and people usually do because those books are dogshit.
>They're still part of Frank Miller's canon.
Imagine giving a single flying frick about canon. Something being an adaptation of something else never immediately makes it good or bad, it has to stand by it's own merits. This is why I fricking hate the "ATTENION ALL BATMAN FANS! THIS WAS BASED ON THIS BATMAN COMIC RELEASED IN THE 80s!" Who gives a frick, these companies release so many comics a year and they obviously can't be all good.
>DARK KNIGHT 3: THE MASTER RACE
Holy kino, that’s also the name of my favorite Super-Hitler comic
The only thing that bothers me about BvS is that you've an attempt at deconstructing the idea of super-heroes but that goes nowhere.
For example what is the answer to this question being posed by the movie?
duh it depends on the news feed superman has on his phone
Cool detail.
The opening with Bruce running through Metropolis is meant to mirror the scene where little Bruce run from his parents funeral.
The fight between Batman and Superman also mirror the death of Bruce's parents and their funeral.
>Broos...plz...it's been five years and you still owe me sixteen dollars.
>*dead silence*
>FRICK OF-
HOLY KINO
Essentially Bruce Wayne/Batman is constantly reliving his parents death.
Amazing this movie still has the morons puzzled six years after release.
No we just think it's stupid
We think YOU'RE stupid, anon.
Nah we think you're stupid
I have never met a girl that liked Snyder's movies.
You do the math.
i was dating a hyper-liberal filipina when the snyder cut came out, she liked it a lot. she thought it was the best portrayal of wonder woman also btw, said snyder portrayed her strong, fierce, and beautiful but not in a cringey way like the GURL POWAH scene in endgame
did you give her the bwc
yessir, i still have some pornos we made on my phone kek. she tried to hit me up on 4/20 this year (have been broken up for a couple years) to probably try and link up. started asking me how i was doing, i said absolutely fantastic and told her how i just received a promotion to make near six figures a year and then blocked her like most liberal women she is extremely greedy and we were only making around $20/hr each and i know that she is at the same job LOL
>real Batman should be like THIS
>Noooo, you can't kill him, Bruce. We need to recycle this villain for more comic book volumes as the creators are completely incapable of creating new villains for you
wow thats so funny anon haha what a smart and witty observation haha
>I am going to autistically defend this moronic character trait online despite me knowing it only exists as a crutch to shitty lazy writers
You go champ!
They should never have Batman end up in these situations. It's just moronic.
It's been 7 years and people are still arguing about Batman killing being bad in a movie about Batman killing being bad. I swear no one ever paid attention to anything in the movie, only watched it once, and just thought the Martha scene was the most hilarious reddit meme ever.
it is the most hilarious reddit meme ever
>Batman drops off a building and lands on someone's neck with some ninja kick putting his whole body-weight behind it along with extra power from his exoskeleton
>Batman doesn't kill btw
batman not killing has been a stupid ass trait for a long time and one that audiences clearly dont give a shit about. they even say in marvel movies theyre willing to kill and they do on screen multiple times. the "no killing" rule is outdated and just holds the character and its universe back.
swole murderman batfleck is THE most interesting batman on screen to date.
wasn't the batman in bvs pretty done with any sense of morality. We see Robin has been killed by that point. Likely no longer gave a frick about killing people and then regained his humanity by the end of the movie after superman died. Not that I give a frick, the film was mediocre. Third act was dogshit and jesse eisenberg is unbearable. I do think character design wise he is the coolest looking batman on screen to date