>be me
>try to watch avant garde kino
>find it boring and confusing and unsatisfying
Why am I like this? How do you learn to appreciate kino?
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Stick to regular movies. Film snobs only watch these artsy fartsy movies to feel special. They probably don't even enjoy them.
to top it all off the orgy story part made me break my nofap streak ffs
I mean that part was kino. It really evoked a visual imagery in me.
>really evoked a visual imagery in me.
Well, yeah. It's visual. And you're watching it. Duh.
The truth is that nobody likes that shit, just like nobody likes abstract modern art. It's just a big circle jerk where you pretend to like the same things for group cohesion.
Not like us. We actually like the movies we say we like. I myself am an afficionado of George Lucas.
Persona is drab patience-testing shit. Art movies can also be overrated or just not for you. Watch Tarkovsky or Edward Yang next.
I'm not saying this to offend you, but Persona is a very difficult picture that will inevitably disappoint an unprepared viewer. If you want to get into avantgarde or arthouse cinema you should starts with something more accessible. A filmmaker I can always recommend is Truffaut. He makes seemingly very simple films that can be seen understood on surface level and that nevertheless can be analyzed and deconstructed to infinity. Shoot the Piano Player and The Man Who Loved Women are perfect examples of what I'm talking about, you can watch them right now and you can watch them 10 years later after 2000 more films behind you and both times you will find something very interesting inside them.
Brutal, yes I am a virgin at 26 I should stick to capeshit
Yes you should. Also have sex asap. Have you been in love? Heartbreak is great for learning
>Have you been in love?
No
Yeah it's over for you lil bro
It's ok anon, just be passionate about life and your interests and things will come around
Frick every cuck in this head. I will be giving you the only real redpill in this thread. Some art movies are moronic bullshit, some are genuinely really really special and soul moving. You need to grow up, go out and live a life. When you have enough REAL life experience, things will start to make sense and all of it won't come across as random noise. Work out, have sex, pray and try to find god. Listen to yourself, observe your behaviors and psychology. Read philosophy. With enough growth you'll be able to cut the wheat from the chaff and wouldn't have to rely upon all the morons' opinions to get your own.
I love Bergman and didn't particularly like Persona. The beach scene is pure cum fuel but other than that, boring, confusing and unsatisfying is a good description.
Artsy psychodramas are based in a kind of psychological interest which was de rigueur but is now passe and redundant.
I didn't like Seventh Seal either, which has been so influential and widely parodied (family guy, woody allen) that it now seems retroactively derivative and silly.
It's worth realizing that a lot of art films are well regarded from the time, and that has never been questioned. People who like these movies will eventually admit that they do not view art as entertainment. I also suggest that you do not make the mistake of distinguishing between 'old' and new movies, as there are just as many great art films now as then.
Films should be genuinely entertaining, and I found Summer with Monika, Through a Glass Darkly and Scenes from a Marriage, entertaining, more entertaining than binging a great tv show, because they have fantastic character drama, and that is Bergman's true specialization and interest. For the same reason I love Ozu. You have to be interested in people and relationships to appreciate cinema, as this is the focus of all great cinema.
>Artsy psychodramas are based in a kind of psychological interest
basically all vaguely smart people in the 20th century were obsessed with a kind of old timey astrology-esque nonsense around freud and stuff like that and it's reflected in art but now we can kind of see that it's ridiculous and the more veiled interpretive versions of this are just nonsensical
>You have to be interested in people and relationships to appreciate cinema, as this is the focus of all great cinema.
Blatantly not true. Much of the value and interest in the greats of cinema comes from their visual qualities. One has only to think of Abel Gance with his rather simple characters but sublime montages.
>Much of the value and interest in the greats of cinema comes from their visual qualities.
yes
>Abel Gance with his rather simple [relatively uninteresting] characters but sublime montages [is a great of cinema]
no
If you're denying that Abel Gance was a great of cinema then you're just a pleb. Go back to Cassavetes and your lame emotional dramas.
I agree with your post, but mentioning cooming to it just fricks it up.
>Why am I like this
Limited life experience
those kind of movies are exclusively made for morons who are insecure about their intelligence
truly intelligent people achieve things in life instead of trying to impress people by pretending to like artsy garbage
You have to learn to walk to run. Watch more entry level film like Kurosawa. That's not to say he's inferior to less entry level directors, entry level has nothing to do with quality, it's just about easing you into avant garde weird shit and learning to understand the essentials of cinema.
you're not supposed to understand it, you're supposed to feel it
watch it while on psychedelics at least once and you will get it
I never had to try. A movie is kino only if I enjoy it.
I didn't enjoy Persona, but I liked Winter Light, maybe try that one instead.
It really makes sense why this board is off topic 99.9 percent of the time, people here get filtered by the most entry level arthouse stuff
Film is a dead medium, simple as. Move on,
It's something that grows on you, and you have to have a taste for it. But with anything you've tried to like, you shouldn't have to force it. Just admit you don't like it and move on. No one's going to judge you too harshly.
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