>be the next Avatar
>the world is in fricking chaos
>look to your past lives for guidance
>there's nobody but picrelated
>she's the one who caused all this
>has absolutely no knowledge of ancient traditions or wisdom
>starts making up obvious bullshit about the first avatar
>is basically only there to infuriate you
>it would pribably be better if she wasn't there either
How fricked is the world because of her? Kuruk fricked up a lot but he probably learnt from the consequences and likely has vast knowlege and understanding of the spirit world. Korra repeatedly shows she doesn't learn anything and KILLED ALL PREVIOUS AVATAR SPIRITS.
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Like, holy shit the world is reparably fricked. Other avatars came into world's of absolute chaos (actually, pretty much most of them, are avatars actually effective at what they're supposed to do?) And tried setting things right or came into not so fricked world's but got caught dilemmas and struggles which lead to tragedy. But they always had the avatar spirits for guidance and the journey to master the elements to set things right again. As a new avatar, how the frick can you hope to accomplish anything with a post-korra world and with only her for guidance? You're basically reset back to ground one. You just gotta hope the next avatar after you sees you're unvictorious struggle and continues until eventually you create a new backlog of avatar spirits for guidance.
And that's only if the world isn't beyond salvation by the time there is a sufficient effort for the next avatar.
Ngl sounds like the beginning of a interesting fanfic
This isn't just a fan concept or AU. This is unironically what would happen if the story had kept going the way it was. It's impossible to overestimate the amount of damage korra has caused.
Guess it is time to finally pen my Korra fix fic
Already working on it
See that's the beauty of it. Legend of Korra, as a series, is about how the world itself is growing past the need for an Avatar. Which is why everything Korra does devalues the role. What is the Avatar? Master of all four elements, with the knowledge of all their past lives, that serves as the bridge between the human world and the spirit world.
Well, Korra opens the spirit portals so now spirits are EVERYONE'S problem. The avatar's role as an ambassador is gone.
She got rid of the past lives,
and spirit vine technology (hell, technological progress in general) means bending is less important overall.
Korra might as well be the last avatar. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if her death was because someone finally invented a gun.
Remind me again how Zaheer was in the wrong?
Anarchy is great when you have all the power and weapons in order to carve out your little fiefdom but that requires a pretty significant lack of empathy for the far greater majority of people that don't. In a world where a group of people is born with superpowers that pretty much ends in a countdown to non benders becoming a slave race.
Basically if Zaheer got his way it'd end up proving Amon right about everything within six months.
Alright, I'll stand that if it was just about killing the avatar it would work though.
Based take
Avatar is no longer needed in post bending world
>Legend of Korra, as a series, is about how the world itself is growing past the need for an Avatar.
And that's why it's shit. Why even bother to ask dumb questions like that when you make inconsistent bad writing and questionable plot choices? LoK isn't really deep, especially compared to ATLA.
>Other avatars came into world's of absolute chaos (actually, pretty much most of them, are avatars actually effective at what they're supposed to do?)
>Most of them
Don't we really only know of a handful of Avatar out of dozens? Maybe most of them lived mostly through peaceful times.
we know mostly about the last 6 Avatars, and of those 6 only 1 (maybe 2) lived in peaceful times.
The whole point is that there is ALWAYS a baddie to put in check. They even come out and explicitly state the subtext in S3 Korra "names change, circumstances change, but the world will always get out of balance". It's a bit ridiculous in Korra's lifetime as it seems every other year there's a world ending threat but the point is very valid and very good and true. You can't defeat evil, it will always come back in whatever form it can. The Avatar's job is to perpetually fend it off and keep the balance to best of his abilities.
Remember Their last words and mission statement:
>I'm sorry Raava, I've failed to bring peace. Even with Vatu locked away, darkness still surrounds humanity. There wasn't enough time.
>Don't worry. We will be together for all of your lifetimes, and we will never give up!
Avatar won was a homosexual who brought more chaos and misery into the world than he ever took from it
Incorrect. If he did nothing else during his lifetime he separated the physical world from the spirit world, and then took responsibility for assuming the role of keeping humans in check. That was a good thing.
One good thing after he spent his life fricking with cosmic tapeworms, killing humans to make his spirit buddies laugh, and trying to get humans to ‘work together’. Doesn’t add up to a good whole
Yes, he made mistakes and he was unwise. That was the point of his character arc was that he was flawed as a human but also had a humble and brave spirit which turned him into a great person who did great things and even earned the trust of an all powerful benevolent spirit.
>killing humans to make his spirit buddies laugh
he does no such thing
He makes mistakes and is unwise because he is fundamentally a vile person who believes that people are all the same and should just get along, and that no one should have to work. In real life he would be a hippie homosexual at Woodstock
Go back and watch beginnings, you see him leading humans into traps and siccing spirits on them for the horrible crime of trying to feed themselves. Then he laughs about it with the lemur spirit
>He makes mistakes and is unwise because he is fundamentally a vile person who believes that people are all the same and should just get along, and that no one should have to work. In real life he would be a hippie homosexual at Woodstock
This is just you mindreading the guy. He was dumb, yes. His inclination towards "fairness" lead to a great mistake of cataclysmic proportions, yes. But the point is that he had an ideal to fail in the first place. He accepted that his lack of wisdom turned his virtue into a sinful action and he took responsibility for it to the bitter end. He never said or implied everyone is the same, just that everyone should be TREATED the same: fairly. That is correct and good.
>Go back and watch beginnings, you see him leading humans into traps and siccing spirits on them for the horrible crime of trying to feed themselves. Then he laughs about it with the lemur spirit
I literally watched it yesterday. He's just protecting the spirits, who are sentient and his friends. He doesn't kill anyone. The humans start the aggression. This is one of the reasons separating the spirits and humans was a wise decision because you solve the moral dilemma of having these two sentient life forms having to compete for the same territory.
Bad people have fundamentally bad ideals. A desire for equal treatment is only a stone’s throw from believing everyone is just equal. The later avatars just believed in balance and understanding the world, not in trying to prevent all conflicts and force different people to live together at gunpoint.
His decision to protect the spirits knowing that the humans need to eat and will starve if they don’t makes him a fundamental traitor to his species and someone who should have been put down before he ever reincarnated. Lucky that the other avatars didn’t turn out like him…
>Bad people have fundamentally bad ideals. A desire for equal treatment is only a stone’s throw from believing everyone is just equal.
What? No it isn't. Treating everyone fairly doesn't mean you don't punish bad people and reward good people. The opposite is true in fact.
>The later avatars just believed in balance and understanding the world, not in trying to prevent all conflicts and force different people to live together at gunpoint.
Where do you get that that was Wan's objective? All we see his a couple of stills of people fighting while Wan talked about fighting for peace his entire life. It's super vague. The whole conclusion that you can never get to the finish line so you should just aim for balance was liely a multi generational process. Remember, canonically speaking, all avatars are literally Wan but without his memories. They are all the same soul, the same spirit, the same values, etc... It was only when Korra came along that she kinda just seems like a different person. All other Avatars that we see, including Aang share the same base personality traits.
>His decision to protect the spirits knowing that the humans need to eat and will starve if they don’t makes him a fundamental traitor to his species and someone who should have been put down before he ever reincarnated.
That's just a moronic assumption. Wan seems to be doing fine and presumably he's not killing any spirits. The air people seem to be doing fine as well. Hell, that assumption is so stupid that humans proceed to live for thousands of years after Wan separates the spirits from the humans. Presumably the humans didn't fast for all that time.
>Lucky that the other avatars didn’t turn out like him…
There's no one to "turn into", anon. They are ALL Wan. Do you understand what reincarnation means?
Treating people equally doesn’t work if people are not equal. See: the civil rights movement.
>Where do you get that that was WAN’s objective?
One of the stills has the quote ‘people need to learn to work/live together’. This is something that only post Avatar Aang and Korra agree with. The other avatars recognize difference as something to preserve instead of fighting it.
>Wan seems to eat just fine
There’s probably enough nuts and berries in the forest for a few scavengers. For the rest of the people in those big lion turtle cities, they either need to hunt or take over plots of land for agricultural purposes. Either way, the clear understanding is that when Wan defeats the hunting parties, people go hungry - to say nothing of the guys who get drowned in quicksand or disfigured for life.
>They are all Wan
But the avatars in the original show were written mostly by guys who didn’t know about the Wan backstory idea, and boy does it show
>Treating people equally doesn’t work if people are not equal. See: the civil rights movement.
Are you fricking dumb? Do you not understand what "treating people equally" means? Are you seriously pretending treating everyone equally means everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their actions? Are you trying to win a stupid argument that bad that you're gonna act this dumb?
>One of the stills has the quote ‘people need to learn to work/live together’. This is something that only post Avatar Aang and Korra agree with. The other avatars recognize difference as something to preserve instead of fighting it.
Again, you must be trying to act dumb to not understand the meaning of "people must learn to live together". This has been an ideal that's been around forever. It doesn't mean everyone must LITERALLY live all mixed together or whatever, just that we need to learn to live peacefully in some sort of balance, either literally together or some sort of agreement or otherwise. All avatars agree with this ideal. That's the whole point of achieving "balance"
>There’s probably enough nuts and berries in the forest for a few scavengers. For the rest of the people in those big lion turtle cities, they either need to hunt or take over plots of land for agricultural purposes. Either way, the clear understanding is that when Wan defeats the hunting parties, people go hungry - to say nothing of the guys who get drowned in quicksand or disfigured for life.
Again, Air people seem to be fine and the WHOLE OF HUMANITY seems to be fine without spirits to hunt for thousands of years. They only got hurt/disfigured because they decided to attack him. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.
>But the avatars in the original show were written mostly by guys who didn’t know about the Wan backstory idea, and boy does it show
But the people who wrote Wan DID know of the previously shown Avatars, and boy does it show.
If some people commit more crimes than others, equal treatment does not work.
The ideal of living in a balanced state does not mean living with no conflict and no war, it means that one side should not dominate or destroy the others. Wan fights for perpetual peace, Kyoshi fights to maintain a balance of power. Aang in his later years builds a multicultural metropolis. You can judge the leftyness of each.
>the whole of humanity seems fine without spirits to hunt
Because with no spirits, they can just hunt regular animals or grow crops. The spirits being in the way mean they can do neither. They are competing for food, a scarce resource. Wan does not believe in scarcity and thinks everyone should get along.
>But the people who wrote Wan
Yeah, Bryke wrote wan and they also wrote the dark avatar and Amon being a super bloodbender and spirit cannon mechas and all that shit. Keep sucking their wieners if you want, doesn’t make you look good
>If some people commit more crimes than others, equal treatment does not work.
The whole crux of the concept of fairness is that you attribute adequate consequences to a living being's actions. If a person commits a crime or a bad action, let's say (crime is a tough word in this context) the FAIR thing to do is to punish that person and that person alone in an adequate form. If you can't understand this simple idea I don't know what else to tell you
>The ideal of living in a balanced state does not mean living with no conflict and no war, it means that one side should not dominate or destroy the others. Wan fights for perpetual peace, Kyoshi fights to maintain a balance of power. Aang in his later years builds a multicultural metropolis.
Yes, All trying to achieve a perpetual, peaceful balance trying different approaches. They all have the same goal.
>You can judge the leftyness of each.
>leftyness
Ah, so this is what this is about. We fighting muh leftist boogeyman.
>The spirits being in the way mean they can do neither.
[citation needed]
>They are competing for food, a scarce resource.
[citation needed]
>they also wrote the dark avatar and Amon being a super bloodbender and spirit can blah blah blah
I'm not talking about any of those. YOU brought that shit up. I'm only talking about the story of Wan.
Applying the law to groups that are different results in treatment that is not equal across groups. This much is obvious.
Perpetual balance is not peaceful at all. Perpetual balance can and does involve constant conflict. As in the concert of Europe.
You shouldn’t need a citation for something as fundamentally obvious as competition for food and food being scarce. Wans antifa pals have trouble finding some.
>I’m talking about the story of Wan
You’re arguing that Bryke were consistent in writing Wan and the other avatars. Bryke were inconsistent for all the other shit between avatar and Korra and the avatars are no different
>Applying the law to groups that are different results in treatment that is not equal across groups. This much is obvious.
?????? Says who? There are flawed laws and flawed implementations of laws, but the idea that there is a fundamental fair way to treat living, conscious beings is almost axiomatic. It may require adjustments and considerations, but all that's baked into the idea. Do you seriously not understand the idea of striving to have all people be treated fairly?
>Perpetual balance is not peaceful at all. Perpetual balance can and does involve constant conflict. As in the concert of Europe.
this is just pure, incoherent nonsense.
>You shouldn’t need a citation for something as fundamentally obvious as competition for food and food being scarce.
You don't know what spirits eat, you don't know how plants and animals live in this paradigm, you basically know nothing about the world in that ime because almost nothing is told to us.Again, we're shown people who live in lion-turtles just like Wan's that seems to not only be getting by peacefully with the spirits, but actively interacting with them, even. And they only seem to need a limited amount of territory around their lion-turtle, as Wan only comes in contact with them after traveling for a long time.
>Wans antifa pals have trouble finding some.
Yes, but not because there is no food. The food exists, it's just all stored in those palace people's storage. They gotta be getting it from somewhere.
>You’re arguing that Bryke were consistent in writing Wan and the other avatars.
I'm arguing no such thing. I don't know that dude and I couldn't give less of a frick. I'm arguing what I saw and the Avatar Wan story was really well done. I don't know what your deal is but you're fighting some ghosts over there, anon.
I think Locke and especially Rousseau can eat shit. Plato is all you need for political philosophy.
The scenario is that the humans either grow food on land, or hunt animals. Spirits take offense to humans hunting animals and attack them on sight, making farming spirit land difficult. You yourself acknowledge this competition when you say it was a good idea to separate the two.
Beginnings is malarkey just like the rest of Korra. You gotta deal with it!
Plato is a whiney b***hy loser. Only Socrates had it right
>I think Locke and especially Rousseau can eat shit. Plato is all you need for political philosophy.
Ok?
>The scenario is that the humans either grow food on land, or hunt animals. Spirits take offense to humans hunting animals and attack them on sight, making farming spirit land difficult.
I'm going to keep beating the air nomad horse until you acknowledge it.
>You yourself acknowledge this competition when you say it was a good idea to separate the two.
Right, for the long term proliferation of humans the separation of the two into discrete territories was a wise decision, although I'm not certain it was necessary. But that was already the paradigm before the separation of the two worlds, it's just that the discrete territory of the humans was much smaller.
>Beginnings is malarkey
no
>the air nomad horse
They have a fruit tree on their land turtle. Perhaps airbending and gliding makes it easier for them to flit from tree to tree and avoid the spirits. Fruit trees don’t provide enough calories to sustain large populations on their own, so everyone else is shit outta luck
>They have a fruit tree on their land turtle.
they were spotted foraging outside their lion turtle. And why couldn't the people in Wan's lion turtle not do the same or similar. Actually I'm not even sure that wasn't the case, and neither are you because they never clarify.
>Perhaps airbending and gliding makes it easier for them to flit from tree to tree and avoid the spirits.
Look, m8, Wan wasn't an air bender and he eventually learned to live peacefully with the spirits and presumably got to eat something.
>Fruit trees don’t provide enough calories to sustain large populations on their own, so everyone else is shit outta luck
[Citation needed], also, you can always just not grow your population uncontrollably.
>Citation needed],
Go read a book, learn something
Ah yes, let me go look up the caloric content and natural capacity of fantasy fruit tree. Also you do know that large portions of humans literally lived in communities of foragers and such for large spans of time, right? Almost like we see the air nomads do.
>no he was being a race traitor. The spirits are horrible monsters that colonized the human world and forced everyone to live on lion turtles .
You actually don't know any of that. First of all, if anything Wan might be a species traitor, but that aside, we have no idea what happened and what the circumstances were that led to the state of affairs depicted at the beginning of Wan's story.
>But god forbid you want a meal then Wan decides to show up.
They wanted to hunt an animal/spirit. It's unclear how sentient it was, but regardless, Wan saw it, he decided to save it. It's a fair decision. I wouldn't say the hunters were evil, but you can't morally argue against Wan's decision to defend a defenseless life form from them either. He even ended up bonding with the thing and it became the first Avatar pet.
You realize that foragers obtained far less calories than agriculturalists, leading to far smaller populations…?
yes, and?
yes, and?
So non nomadic populations, like the firebenders, need more calories than foraging offers. They go into the spirit lands to eat or they go hungry
>You actually don't know any of that
I do because they literally say it in the episode.
>It's a fair decision.
Forcing your beliefs down everyone else's throat is the exact opposite. Not to mention he then attacks them probably kills one and lets the lemur horrible disfigure another.
>I do because they literally say it in the episode.
But they don't.
>Forcing your beliefs down everyone else's throat is the exact opposite.
It's got nothing to do with beliefs. The hunters wanted to kill the animal for food, Wan wanted them to let him go so it could be spared. Neither side is evil, but one side is trying to initiate violence and the other is trying to stop it.
>Not to mention he then attacks them probably kills one and lets the lemur horrible disfigure another.
He literally kills not a single person during that sequence and there's nothing he could've done about the lemur, who, by the way, was saving him.
>So non nomadic populations, like the firebenders, need more calories than foraging offers.
no they don't lol. No human needs more calories than another, accounting for individual size of course. There's no inherent reason firebenders can't have the exact same lifestyle as any other bending faction. The air people from that time weren't even nomads. Come to think of it, neither were the air "nomads" of Aang's period.
>[Citation needed], also, you can always just not grow your population uncontrollably
Put attention to your world anon. without corn, wheat and rice; human civilization never would exist in first place, fruits aren't so important.
>I think Locke and especially Rousseau can eat shit
t. Benjamin Linus
>>Go back and watch beginnings, you see him leading humans into traps and siccing spirits on them for the horrible crime of trying to feed themselves. Then he laughs about it with the lemur spirit
no he was being a race traitor. The spirits are horrible monsters that colonized the human world and forced everyone to live on lion turtles . But god forbid you want a meal then Wan decides to show up.
homie he literally does rewatch the scene where the hunting party catches a cat-deer. One of them is literally carried iff by a swarm of bugs. Another one is permanently dusfigured by spurit possession. I think one drowned in quicksand. Also wan likely killed people during his antifa raid with tge stolen firebending.
>homie he literally does rewatch the scene where the hunting party catches a cat-deer. One of them is literally carried iff by a swarm of bugs. Another one is permanently dusfigured by spurit possession. I think one drowned in quicksand.
He was protecting and freeing the animal. He wasn't attacking anyone. The guys chased him and he defended himself. Also you don't know that any of them died, and you don't know they wouldn't just kill him if they caught him. He did nothing wrong there.
>Also wan likely killed people during his antifa raid with tge stolen firebending.
You don't know that he killed anyone and that was when he was a dumb kid with good intentions. Again, that was his first stage before he went through his arc.
>out of dozens
The time frame of Avatar Wan allows 100-200 Avatars throughout the history. Really ruins the idea that there's supposed to be countless of them since time immemorial - hell, those statues in the Air Temple that take space of multiple floors seem more than a few hundred. Showing the origin of the first Avatar and bending is just a bad idea overall.
I'm like 10,000% sure the new Korra movie coming out is going to be about her finding a way to reconnect herself with all her past lives. The show writers know they fricked up majorly now that they're trying to expand the universe and are thinking about it's future
The question is merely HOW is Korra going to fix this shit in the movie?
>new korra movie
I've been out of the loop please let this be just rumors.
Bryke is trying to make Avatar into a big multi-media IP.
So they're making movies about the series. One about Zuko, one about Kiyoshi I think, and one about Korra.
>the new Korra movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Korra#Spin-offs
Jesus Christ, I wanted this not to be true.
>a new Korra film
FRICKING WHY?! Nobody wants to see that c**t anymore! She's the Rey of Avatar but worst! What reason is there to make more of this shit when almost everyone except deranged morons agrees that LoK is shit?!
They'll have the new big bad be an Anti-Avatar who manages to depower nearly every bender in the world, so that it's a hamfisted message about disarmament and military apologism
The fact that we don't see too much of the Fire Nation in the Helic Republic era is sad
I'd love to see Fire Nation war crimes deniers
>to reconnect herself
More like to "RETCONnect"
CARLOS
I could see it being a multi-episodic "movie" in which she works on each of the elements and reconnects those.
Some bullshit about how the avatar spirits are so deeply entwined with the elements helps them reconnect.
Last one is obviously Air so we can have a great Aang cameo
I wonder if its true they killed all past avatar lives , so no man would show up to teach her ...
I don't see how any of this ends other than the next Amon showing up and actually bringing an end to bending for real and shutting off access to the spirit world. The Avatar is basically useless and without the Avatar around to maintain balance, humans can't deal with magic. Maybe the next Avatar will be the next Amon and use spirit bending like Aang.
On one hand, the rise of technology and the big manufacturing companies prove there isn't that much inequality between benders and non-benders but also the "republic" council is just five fricking benders and the triad still is very large and a publicly funded bending police force can't seem to stomp them out. They also never repeal the chi blocking ban which anyone including benders can learn and it's non-lethal so it's like the perfect alterbative the writers could've used to creating guns (but it'd still make a point out of the 2nd amendment and lefties can't have that)
>OH NO A FIREBEN--
>BLAMBLAMBLAM
>Thanks, neighbor!
Problem, Avatar?
and I really like the first season, they finally touched on ATLA's biggest problem, Humans
But they immediately abandoned that and all those dramatic moments that Korra went through were worthless, she was a better character than aang in the first season
The first season is ridiculous as well. Not any of it is good. Not even the intial pilot.
She will always make me eternally seethe. I bet you the creators next frick up will be retconning avatars not being able to reach enlightenment because they're eternally tethered to the world. They're gonna say "nvm aang learnt to fly actually" or something absolutely ridiculous beyond comprehension because they exceed of shattering low expectations.
That flying crap was beyond the pale. They couldn’t even follow their own stupid rules for it. Zaheer shouldn’t have been able to fly because he never gave up his anarchic ideals or even his attachment to his lover. Just because a loved one dies doesn’t mean you suddenly stop being attached to them. What a moronic power up
They could've made it work imo. They just failed horribly. Your goals can be metaphysical and require means done in the physical world to achieve them. I think Zaheer could've continued his plan if his goals were noble (which they were, wiping korra from existence and basically saving the world from the need of an avatar which wan proved is a fricking terrible idea in this non-canon setting) You can learn to let go of things once immediatly lost. Usually you learb to detach yourself while they're still there but the destruction can be a catalyst for this detachment. For someone like Zaheer who follows the teachings and practices devotionally, it's not hard to imagine that happening.
Even if you were to strip Zaheer's motive down to just killing the Avatar without the anarchist revolution, it’d still wouldn’t work. The Avatar is an inherently worldly figure, Yangchen made this clear to Aang. Wanting to kill the Avatar because you believe it’ll bring about a new state of peace is as worldly as it gets which would be fine if Zaheer were portrayed as hypocritical and misguided, yet this isn’t the case
koora
kurwa
I don’t know. She was sheltered from an early age, raised by boomer nobodies, pushed out into the world and expected to solve the world’s problems with no help from either the government or an army. It’s no wonder she ended up depressed and traumatized. When she finally decided that she had enough and left to the spirit world, I felt relieved. I like Korra. She was no hero, but she’s a survivor. Makes her relatable.
>raised by boomer nobodies
Wasn't Katara supposed to be around for a lot of her training? Key player in ending 100 years of war, master waterbender, wife of the Avatar?
>pushed out into the world and expected to solve the world’s problems with no help from either the government or an army
Nobody expected her to solve all the world's problems. She actually was told to stay out of things and made bigger problems by getting involved. Lot's of stories have the MC getting into trouble for getting involved, but it's generally because the MC needs to either learn a lesson or because the MC actually knows better. Korra was just a wrecking ball who knew better than nobody and learned nothing. It never came off as being persistent; just boneheaded.
>When she finally decided that she had enough and left to the spirit world, I felt relieved.
Are you talking about the end of the show? She doesn't seem like someone who's made peace with herself and the fact that she can't control everything. I actually tried thinking of what this seemed like, but really it just seemed like something the writers made her do. She never really has a character at the end of the show. She just did things. Going into the spirit world didn't have significance beyond it was something cool for the show to end on, I guess. It isn't fulfilling.
You just know she'll break up with asami in a couple months (not that I care about the relationship) from petty lesbian bullshit and carry on as usual.
They won't break up. At least I don't think so. The writers would be too afraid of a relationship with nuance, which opens itself up to criticism that homosexual relationships are not meant to last or something. I think they'll stay a thing without much to challenge that relationship internally, because they want to say that such relationships are powerful and somehow perfect.
This is kinda funny too me. I hate how writers always throw in relationship trouble because it's hard writing a functional one. If they were stuck writing a decent relationship because they didn't want to anger the LGBT crowd I might actually enjoy Korrasami for the novelty.
Korrasami feels like if Jerry started dating George after stealing his girlfriend and convincing his parents to divorce
Oh, I totally agree. I think they'll stay together, but like you said, it's hard to write relationships, so they'll probably be a very surface level relationship. Anything that could be a problem / hard to write is ignored or glossed over with some throwaway line. It'd be soulless, like the rest of the show.
>because it's hard writing a functional one
It's not hard, it's just we've been hardwired as a society to want drama which a functional relationship doesn't have, or at least not without bringing in real life stuff that wouldn't interest people like buying a house or make thin skinned moms uncomfortable like pregnancy.
The Addams Family has become a weird israeliteel in hindsight, insofar as it depicted a loving and active relationship between a man and a woman who were the heads of their household.
Korra failed to kill Zaheer, Kuvira and Amon. Just saying.
She purposely rejected every attempt to be mentored properly until she bullshitted her way into accomplishing what she wanted. She goes around rejecting all the old ways, the proven NECESSARY old ways and seems to never realise the consequences of shirking that responsibility. I blame the larents for nit dusciplining her properly, but it's hard to when she's taught the world pretty much revolves around her. Need b***h slapping and rape cirrection.
>Makes her relatable.
Relatability is for pussies.
I fricking can't stand relatability. My favorite characters are from backgrounds and deal with situations far, far outside my scope of experience
Well she has a vegana
That's pretty unrelatable
There's two different kinds if relatability. There's direct scenario relatability and there's hunan condition relatability. 99% of people regardless of curcumstance experience their own kind of suffering and struggle. So when a acharacter is believable, that's the second, greater form of "relatability." I can "relate" to pretty much anyone if they make sense because humans are born with innate empathy.
For me the way to design a character is by following three steps
>1: is their premise compelling?
>2: is their personality a natural/believable extension of their premise?
>3: do their personality and premise cause them to have compelling and entertaining moments in the story?
Fulfill all three and that's a good character
The entire problem of the second season could have been resolved if she went on vacation until after the equinox. She was needed to open the second gate and the world would literally be better if she just fricking died
First season would be solved with the 2nd amendment
Second season with korra dying
Third season with korra dying
4th season with korra dying
pls stop bullying my waifu. She will surely learn something as she gets older.
yeah she learn to give better blowjobs! hehehe
not with Asami she won't
Remember when Korra learned how to bend everything but air when she was barely out of diapers but couldn't bend air a decade after the fact until it was convenient for the plot for her to bend air?
Why does the Avatar setting NEED an Avatar though? The first three series seemed to indicate that bringing balance to the world was more of a "stop the fire nation's imperial ambitions" thing than anything properly spiritual, and ultimately the only thing that made the Avatar necessary was being strong enough to fricking kill Ozai.
It doesn’t need an avatar like it needs the moon or ocean spirits. A good avatar will make things much less bloody, though
It needs someone with the power of a god/primordial spirit, but a human's understanding and attachment to the material world. Someone who CAN intervene to keep peace among humanity but understands and feels the consequences of doing so.
In the original show, the fire nation was such a focus because that was the most pressing case of, uh, off-balanceness? that needed to be addressed. And frequently throughout the show, we saw how the Fire Nation had thrown the world out of balance. Hei Bei's forest, Earth kingdom refugees, an entire nation (one of the four pillars of the world) virtually destroyed, etc. Humans actions in the show indicated that physical actions had spiritual consequences, and it is an Avatar's duty to make sure they don't fall too far out of balance, causing devastation.
Thinking about it, the show really had an almost religious message; that the world and societies have a natural order that must be kept, and when it is kept, things are in balance. There is peace and prosperity. Since the show aired, there's been a big shift away from this sort of belief, more than there was at the time, with a lot of "___ is just a man-made construct". Because people don't value tradition much, the message that the world needed to return to balance is kinda lost on people. The Avatar is just a crazy powerful being who's a standard hero type. If there is no unrighteousness, there is no sin, and no need for an Avatar.
The Korra series literally introduced manichean god-spirits of good and evil though, and the avatar was the Jesus of the nice blue one
How the frick do we retcon Korra? Its such a shit show.
We can't.
All Avatar media from now on is going to be made to fit the world of Korra
Good point. Not sure then. It was probably just a tool to give the plot of the first show something to run with, and they had to stick with it for later ideas because of how much that was set up to be an integral part of the universe.
A lot of shows have characters that irreparably frick up the world in ways the other characters have to deal with, but Korra is one of the few who outright damage the setting itself in terms of storytelling in ways that can't be fixed.
Also, didn't Korra literally sever the link itself entirely? Like, in the comics, she's writing down a note of advice because the next avatar can't even ask her for help spiritually at all?
Wait, even she won't be there?
Finally, she does something right!
Some people say the lack of Aaron Ehasz is what lead to Korra sucking so much but writers of some of the best avatar episodes made some of the worst Korras. And the dragon prince suffers from all the same writing flaws and Aaron is right behind that. Wtf happened to these people? Was Avatar a fluke? Avatar had some flaws but it represented an unprecedented jump in quality and scale western animation hadn't had before. At most you had saturday morning recurring villain cartoons with an overarching plot instead if the wirld resetting every episode like Gargoyles.
Ehasz was a big loss not just because of the individual episodes he wrote, but also because he understood the whole plot of ATLA from beginning to end, at every level of resolution. Korra clearly didn't have anyone tying everything together in that way, so even good writers did a bad job, maybe?
And to some extent ATLA probably really was a flash in the pan - that once-ever-few-decades combination of everyone caring about the show and having lots of ideas, and it not being ruined by them going too far off track.
(Haven't seen Dragon Prince so I can't comment on that).
It's okay when you don't think about anything. And it's sad because its villain was actually really cool and more if a case of the antagonist having conflicting goals with the protagonist instead if just being evil. But then they make everythibg 1D again.
But when you do think you realise the "bad guys" are 100% in the right. Every time. It's that bad, hot elf romance though which is really the only reason most people watched.
Korra had like three big issues.
They had a very small writing staff, I think they peaked at 5 writers towards the ends. That was it.
I heard that the first book was written exclusively by Bryke themselves.
Avatar The Last Airbender had like 15 writers. That means more people to bounce around ideas, more people to notice problems, more people working on dialogue so that it's not shit.
Then the way Korra was produced was that both seasons, four books, were picked up right at the get-go. It wasn't season by season despite the extremely popular belief.
And because of that multiple different seasons, at one time more than 30 episodes, were all being produced at the same time.
Which naturally meant that each individual episode got way less focus and they had a harder time adapting the later seasons to better fir the earlier ones.
The decision to make it a serialized show was also probably a bad one, since I think the team was inexperienced in non episodic shows, so that's not good either.
Lastly Bryke just made some really bad decisions in world building.
Bringing this quote up again cause it applies to anything really
>How fricked is the world because of her?
The only problem in her series that she didn't directly have a hand in creating was Amon.
Why are all female main characters such fricking garbage? I cant think of one good one in the past twenty years that wasn't from a literal preschool show.
Because women aren't leaders, men are.
Did the avatar cycle itself ended? I thought that happened when all the past lives vanished
I do not remember watching this, but I remember enough to pretend I did
I just wish this show had better writing. All the characters are bland and never grow. the villains are dumb and aren't as cleverly written as they think. I'm pretty sure Amon was supposed to be a metaphor for communism, but it was more in line with a civil rights movement for non-benders. Unalaq was interesting at first with his tradition vs modernity, but then it just devolved into god vs satan and giant monsters shooting lasers. Zaheer was just stupid and had no solid foundations for his views. Kuvira was just lame ozai.
I wish the show's villain was Kuvira from the start. How she is upset with the monarchy of the earth kingdom and secretly funds groups like zaheer's, amon's, and unalaq's to destabilize the earth kingdom/other nations and convince the citizens that there needs to be a military take over. Maybe make an argument about freedom vs. security.
I just wanted this show to be smart.
The real villain should have been the white lotus for creating republic city, babying the avatar, and trying to institute globalhomo
This is kind of the plot of all battle shonen
Go back
Just do that but less moronic
Remind me again, why are we saying Korra killed her past lives now?
Didnt Dark Avatar pin her down and scrape away every last past avatar or something?
>be previous avatar spirits
>saddled with this wienery water tribe moron
>get killed accidentally
>know eternal peace that she can never bother you again
>be avatar spirit
>still be tethered to duty after death
>tfw you just wanna fly
>current rookie fricks up badly
>at least we're free.opt
>realise you can learn to fly
>what do you mean that's not the point of enlightenment?
How much of the Korra series would've happened without Korra?
That really depends on who’s the new Avatar, don’t it? I could see a Roku-level hothead making very similar mistakes. To be honest the real problem is that the villains are miles more competent than the teenager Avatar and her sidekicks to the point where their downfalls come across like asspulls, almost.
But Aang is a pussy for not killing Ozai. Therefore he is still worse.
You will NEVER receive a proper Warrior’s Death Ozzy. Die mad
Oh wow, how exciting. Another "Korra was a bad Avatar" thread.
It's old news. How old? EIGHT years. You have been hung up on this for eight years.
It is a children's cartoon. You are a grown man.
It's time to rethink your life.
It only dies when you korragays die, go back
Are you stupid? I didn't disagree that Korra was a bad avatar. She was. Terrible, even.
But it doesn't need disputed. It doesn't need remembered. The show sucked, the characters were poorly written and poorly handled, and Korra herself is a dumpster fire.
EIGHT YEARS of your life, you've been unable to move past it. Why?
homie who do you think is keeping this shit alive? It's not the shitposting Cinemaphileners, it's everyone else
>Aang had all of the past Avatars to listen too
>Fricking ignored them when the chips were down
>Got magical bullshit that saved the day at the last second and allowed him to keep his moral code
>This moral code actively caused problems after he died
>Heralded as greatest Avatar in history
Clearly ignoring the past Avatars is just what cool people do.
Given how much of a spiritual nonce she is, I wouldn't be surprised if they retconned this shit as Korra being whipped on some super secret chakra point that only caused her to think she can't connect to the previous Avatars, and because she's such a simple-minded jackass who never listened to any of her mentors' spiritual advice on meditation the thought that she could get something like this FIXED just never occurred to her, so she just spends the rest of her life scissoring Asami and fricking around until she reaches her death bed and then sees the sheer level of disappointment in Aang and Wan's faces and realizes how much she fricked up picoseconds before the new Earth nation Avatar is born.
But I also wouldn't be surprised to consider that the next Avatar has to grow up in some kind of magipunk hellzone where humans and spirits are perpetually at war with one another and with themselves to the point people forget what bending even is, and the Avatar has to reintroduce all that knowledge by visiting each nation to teach their people Journey to the West style. Cause seriously. However bad Korra fricked things up now, I imagine whatever she would do next would be catastrophically worse given her track record.
>"I don't understand why people like Korra so much while simultaneously shitting on the show."
I want to creampie her while licking her armpits tbh
cope
I am making a webcomic as we speak to address this
[Spoiler] and to address that Kuvira is not a 'hitler' she is Mao Zedong, and her prison notebooks dialectically synthesizing Among and Zahir to her own ambitions cause her to come back like Napoleon for round two with the full weight of cultural revolution behind her ushering in the Cultural Revolution abd Great Leap Forward. Korra is too busy playing frick frick games with her girlfriend to fix anything, and the air nomads have turned into a xenophobic juche ethnostate persecuting the non-bending descendants of the original Nomads who are trying to keep the original culture alive [/spoiler]
Is Korra a sports bra kind of gal?
>Cinemaphile is still this fricking boot blasted over Korra
Kek you homosexuals are absolutely hilarious.
Kuvira's Gambit is so dumb it gave me a headache. Thanks, Nickelodeon!