>Be Warner Bros
>Replace the legendary Bruce Wayne with an edgy, loud mouthed punk
>It somehow ends up being one of the best superhero cartoons
Why was Terry McGinnis' success never replicated?
>Be Warner Bros. >Replace the legendary Bruce Wayne with an edgy, loud mouthed punk
Bruce sucks ass.
No
Yes
Terry McGinnis is The Batman Who Laughs done right
>Actually advances the setting in a way that makes it feel needed for bruce to be replaced, doesn't just feel like they are trying to shoehorn terry in like most "new" heroes
>Clears house of most of the old rogues gallery, gives us closure on most of them (quite a few lethally even)
>New rogues aren't just repainted versions of the old, they tried to be original instead of sticking not joker as the main villain again (jokerz barely count as villains)
>When terry does have to face joker we get one of the best scenes to show that the new bats is nothing like the old in a good way
Basically, they put in the effort, something most writers can't be bothered to do today.
house of most of the old rogues gallery, gives us closure on most of them (quite a few lethally even)
I also love in the rare cases they do it isn't even a villain story. Bane was just a part of a bigger puzzle, and Freeze was more his own story with Terry along for the ride.
>New rogues aren't just repainted versions of the old
I disagree with this point a little bit. We didn't really get many that came back or direct mantle passes, but a lot of Terry's new villains had parallels to classic Batman villains.
All these years later, and I still find this scene to be kino. It actually feels like a definitive end for the joker being defeated by Terry in a way the old batman never could.
He was white
>Filthy Mick
>white
Because his character came in long after Bruce was unable to keep being Batman due to old age, that's different from Ultimate Spider-man where they just randomly killed the character off.
Not to mention it was only done in a cartoon, and they didn't try to replace Bruce outside of that.
>Why was Terry McGinnis' success never replicated?
Something just sort of happened to good writers in genre fiction after 9/11.
9/11 raped our collective psyche up the turdcutter
Team got the mandate to make a teenage batman show, they rules lawyered the fuck out of that and made it work. Basically a perfect mix of having the right team and the right corporate mandate.
I feel like enough isn't said about this. No one working on the show actually thought this was a good idea, they just happened to be in the middle of making the greatest piece of Batman media of all time when the executives came up with some dumb ass meeting ideas and forced them all to drop their show and do that instead.
Usually this type of thing would be the pretty project of someone who's either really into the idea or just doesn't like the original thing (preventing them from stepping back to look at it objectively and/or understanding what makes it work in the first place.)
These guys not only didn't have to worry about that, but they already had a number of years practice making B:tAS and S:tAS so they were already familiar with the territory and at the top of their game walking into it.
The only other remotely similar example I can think of is the guy who made Spider Man: the Animated Series having to begrudgingly find a way to make kino in the face of the Standards and Practices department trying to destroy the show because they were mad he was black.
felt more realistic when he would just kill people that tried to kill him, but he wasn't totally perfect and still needed comms with a seasoned batman.
Because it was written back when WB wasn't run by homosexuals and israelites.
It had a surprising edge to it.
LOT of villains got horrible fates, like the reporter who fell to the Earth's core due to the pull of gravity. Or that sap who fell in with Inque and ended up horribly disfigured by her.
Because a lot of hack writers think the best way to get a replacement character over with fans is to have that new characters shit on who he was replacing. Batman Beyond didn't come out swinging with Terry talking shit about Bruce being an old loser who fucked everything up, even though that was kind of the case in the show. Terry and Bruce had their differences here and there, but Terry felt like a proper pupil learning from Bruce.
Is it me or were the antagonists a lot more bloodthirsty? They spoke short & bluntly and were genuinely kill-crazy. Pretty serious and sadistic about murdering.
It was like that by design, a lot of the new cast was involved or inspired by the older criminals. They saw all the short comings and said fuck it.
In BTAS there was a conscious effort to keep Batman mysterious and not too talkative. As a result, a lot of the characterization goes to the villains and naturally they become endearing.
In Beyond,the dynamic shifts so that Bruce/Terry take the focus, and the villains are more obstacles. Plus no established Arkham to raise the stakes
That and the villains tend not to have the same attachment to Terry. They genuinely hate him.
I mean, Neo-Gotham is a pretty shitty place, it's even worse than BTAS' Gotham (it could be because no one was protecting it anymore) so the bad guys are actually relentless here. I personally like how Terry has little to no mercy when fighting against them.
>I personally like how Terry has little to no mercy when fighting against them.
if only i had that image of the fates of the beyond villains, seems the bodycount in this is way higher than any other DC series.
Kind of weird when Waller says the only person who cares more about other people than Bruce is Terry
Most of the villains get "hoisted by their own petard" deaths where their own greed kills them. Terry doesn't really go in for the kill, he just ends up in confrontations that become life or death. He doesn't actively set people up to die, either.
One of the most memorable moments of the show is Terry desperately trying to save the tabloid reporter with the phasing suit as he falls through multiple floors.
One of the things i enjoy about Batman Beyond is how much Terry struggles against the villains and gets his shit kicked, makes the fights more interesting
His first fight in "Return Of The Joker" is a nice demo of that. He takes some bad hits.
Because Beyond was created out of necessity. WB wanted teenage Bruce, but the creators thought it was a dumb idea, so they made a sequel to BTAS/TNBA. And they ended up making a cross between Batman and Spider-Man. Kinda like Spider-Man 2099.
why were most of the villains in the show motivated by being incel?
Aren't you forgetting someone?