That's a cope. Firstly, trailers don't know how to hold back, they haven't in over a decade. Secondly, it's a film whose success relies on John Woo and John Wick advertising. If the director's hallmarks were present, they'd show em front and center.
Kinnaman really impressed me in the second Suicide Squad movie with how likeable he could be after how awful he was in the first one, so I could see myself giving this a chance.
> people say he is piece of wood
pretty much carried altered carbon on his back in s1
the killing showed his range, although he's fairly nuanced in that past the facade his character shows
for all mankind has some good scenes from him too
>pretty much carried altered carbon on his back in s1
he's very bad in that shitshow >for all mankind has some good scenes from him too
he's passable in that
he's not cavil tier bad but he's bad
I suppose if you need self insert tall white chad character some people will cling to him
>john woo and joel kinoman
This better be fricking good. I don't even know why I like this fricking actor since all I saw him in was one police drama show and altered carbon but I do.
>First American John Woo film in two decades >Fight coordinator from John Wick 4 >Couple producers from previous John Wicks alongside Thunder Road in general
Could be interesting but I'm imagining it'll be a slightly better Violent Night. It smells too corporate despite Woo directing.
I understand, I thought only Kinnaman was going to be silent, not everyone else. At least if I'm understanding this quote right.
The bit about tight budget is worrisome too.
Budget and tight schedule is what created John Wick in the first place, much of the flair people like about it came from finding clever ways to cut down on shooting time. Though I do wonder how Woo will handle it. All his best films got 3x the time to shoot that JW got, even on similar budgets.
>Budget and tight schedule is what created John Wick in the first place
It's what creates good art in general. I have never heard of a single director who was given carte blanche in terms of schedule and a gigantic budget to make whatever he wanted and to have the end result actually be good. Restrictions and limitations are important. It's the same in other mediums like music. So many music artists who become successful and can set their own schedules end up only producing dogshit.
Limitations are important, but a longer schedule does benefit action movies more than some other genres. You don't get squibs when you're crunching for time, for instance. VFX takes the place of plenty of SFX cause resets cut into shooting time.
It's 87North's weakest film. One third action, one third comedy, one third family drama, doesn't do any of them well. Only nice thing to say about it is David Harbour played a good Santa.
I hope so if they give John Woo free reign.
The reason why I never really understood the hype around the John Wick movies was because John Woo did a way more stylish approach towards the same theme decades earlier and with more depth.
There is no way anyone can prefer John Wick to Bullet in the Head or The Killer
Wick is far more sleeker than old school Woo. Stahelski style is more video gamey without squib's but Woo shares more with the likes of Peckinpah from the 70’s.
No squibs, no watch.
>no doves
>no dual wielding
based
soulless
The biggest difference is Hard Boiled is brightly lit, even with smoke you can clearly see what is going on.
Seriously? A John Woo film without any doves or dual wielding? Is this information from preview screenings?
Do you want them to show EVERYTHING in the trailer? Gotta leave something for the room man.
That's a cope. Firstly, trailers don't know how to hold back, they haven't in over a decade. Secondly, it's a film whose success relies on John Woo and John Wick advertising. If the director's hallmarks were present, they'd show em front and center.
The trailer I just watched had dual wielding.
Sadly, I think they may be gone for good. Digital looks like shit.
Kinnaman really impressed me in the second Suicide Squad movie with how likeable he could be after how awful he was in the first one, so I could see myself giving this a chance.
I like him, people say he is piece of wood, but he is charismatic and interest enough to pique my interest when he pops up.
> people say he is piece of wood
pretty much carried altered carbon on his back in s1
the killing showed his range, although he's fairly nuanced in that past the facade his character shows
for all mankind has some good scenes from him too
>pretty much carried altered carbon on his back in s1
he's very bad in that shitshow
>for all mankind has some good scenes from him too
he's passable in that
he's not cavil tier bad but he's bad
I suppose if you need self insert tall white chad character some people will cling to him
Pretty fricked up how it advertises the producer when it's a fricking John Woo movie.
That's because zoomers know literally nothing about The Killer and Hard Boiled. And Face Off is 25 years old.
FROM ONE OF THE GUYS WHOSE MONEY WAS USED TO MAKE JOHN WICK
yea john woo makes it sound like it could be good whereas john shit is just trash
>costars kid cudi
It's a pass from me
lol white boi still mad about that Jenna Ortega 'X' movie
>John Woo + John Wick
>John Wook?
john asiatic
Is that this year's version of Violent Night? That movie did pretty well last year.
it was fricking garbage so let's hope no
i'm still pissed they replaced him after the first season of Altered Carbon. that shit was kino.
Love kinoman
>john woo and joel kinoman
This better be fricking good. I don't even know why I like this fricking actor since all I saw him in was one police drama show and altered carbon but I do.
>First American John Woo film in two decades
>Fight coordinator from John Wick 4
>Couple producers from previous John Wicks alongside Thunder Road in general
Could be interesting but I'm imagining it'll be a slightly better Violent Night. It smells too corporate despite Woo directing.
He's old as shit now and hasn't made a dedicated action film for 20 years, I suspect his name is just tagged on.
I want to hope for a return to form for Woo, but his last attempt at an action movie, Manhunt, was so awful I couldn't even finish it
The movie was alright until they went full moron with the whole lab thing and it turned into MGS somehow.
>movie features no dialog
What?
Whole gimmick is the main character gets throat-shot and can't talk
I understand, I thought only Kinnaman was going to be silent, not everyone else. At least if I'm understanding this quote right.
The bit about tight budget is worrisome too.
Oh huh, I thought it was mainly silent protagonist rather than entirely silent.
Budget and tight schedule is what created John Wick in the first place, much of the flair people like about it came from finding clever ways to cut down on shooting time. Though I do wonder how Woo will handle it. All his best films got 3x the time to shoot that JW got, even on similar budgets.
>Budget and tight schedule is what created John Wick in the first place
It's what creates good art in general. I have never heard of a single director who was given carte blanche in terms of schedule and a gigantic budget to make whatever he wanted and to have the end result actually be good. Restrictions and limitations are important. It's the same in other mediums like music. So many music artists who become successful and can set their own schedules end up only producing dogshit.
Limitations are important, but a longer schedule does benefit action movies more than some other genres. You don't get squibs when you're crunching for time, for instance. VFX takes the place of plenty of SFX cause resets cut into shooting time.
the other characters must have some lines
>but I did it all in one shot.
Not this shit again.
>in first shot t. nolan
Yes, I was thinking of the Bane film.
*mogs your shit*
It's 87North's weakest film. One third action, one third comedy, one third family drama, doesn't do any of them well. Only nice thing to say about it is David Harbour played a good Santa.
I hope so if they give John Woo free reign.
The reason why I never really understood the hype around the John Wick movies was because John Woo did a way more stylish approach towards the same theme decades earlier and with more depth.
There is no way anyone can prefer John Wick to Bullet in the Head or The Killer
Violent Night was better
It looks fricking awful, like it was made for 20 dollars on a weekend.
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Needs more Jazzy tunes.
Wick is far more sleeker than old school Woo. Stahelski style is more video gamey without squib's but Woo shares more with the likes of Peckinpah from the 70’s.