It's very long as it's 3 hours, Phoenix performance is fantastic, so if you're a fan of his work watch it. It's got surreal elements to it, so maybe that will put you off.
He's angry at his Dad because he can't have sex because he was told he would die. Also his dad is a giant penis monster. Holy frick this movie blows. So much shitty symbolism no wonder it was in the works years before Ari Aster made Hereditary and Midsommar. Only midwits like this shit trying to be 2deep4you
4 months ago
Anonymous
>He's angry at his Dad
Come on, bro. He was never shown to resent/be angry with his father.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't seen the movie in months so I could be wrong but honestly if I was told I could never have sex without dying I'd be pretty angry.
4 months ago
Anonymous
His mom told him that, he never met or knew about his dad until the attic scene because his dad was a giant penis monster.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>His mom told him that
I know.
Anyway, movie sucks.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at rather than the one who lied to him about dying if he had sex?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at
For most of the movie he only believes his mother and everything she says obviously. Until the end when it was all revealed.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Why would he blame the dad instead of blaming the crazy lady eager to have sex with someone who would die if they did?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Because as a child you listen to whatever your parents spout to you and in this case of Beau it was all his mother so he accepts whatever she says, until as I said in my previous post, it's revealed in the end. Seriously Ari, why the frick am I telling you about your movie?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>t was all his mother so he accepts whatever she says
What exactly did she say about why she chose to bang a guy knowing he would die if she did?
4 months ago
Anonymous
what are you on about now?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand what part of the film you are referring because I don't remember her ever saying the things you are claiming about it being entirely the dad's fault, so I am asking exactly what she said that makes you believe that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
She told Beau when he was a child that his dad died having sex for the first time with her and that it was passed to Beau and that's why he is a perma virgin his whole life. Why are you so hung up about this so much?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand how that is just the dad's fault rather than the person who had sex with him knowing it would kill him, so I don't understand why you think that means he would be angry at his poor dad for dying rather than his sociopath mother for killing him.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think she knew it would kill him or if the dad told her. Ari must have left that out of the script as with most things. >rather than his sociopath mother for killing him
Because he loves his mother.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand how that is just the dad's fault rather than the person who had sex with him knowing it would kill him, so I don't understand why you think that means he would be angry at his poor dad for dying rather than his sociopath mother for killing him.
You miss that his dad was probably never dead or had a condition, and wasn't a penis monster either. In the scene of beaus birth his mom was screaming at presumably his dad that he made her birth him and that she never wanted beau to begin with.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Its not about what I missed, its about the things that didn't seem to actually happen that the other guy somehow noticed, but can't actually point out.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The narrative of the story and from his mother says he is. As the audience we know otherwise. >and wasn't a penis monster either
As yes the symbolism. It's obvious the mother didn't have intercourse with a giant penis monster.
@194644251
Point out what op? You're moronic. I've told you countless times. Maybe don't watch the movie with your phone out.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I've told you countless times.
No you haven't, you acted like you didn't understand the question and inserted your own head canon and referred to his love for his mother instead of pointing out what part of the film supports your theory.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I've answered every question you brought up. Sorry you don't understand. You've been hung up about this daddy issue shit for over 2 hours now. Give it a rest mate.
>>and wasn't a penis monster either >As yes the symbolism. It's obvious the mother didn't have intercourse with a giant penis monster.
She didn't? Then what the frick did Beau see? Was he hallucinating?
>She didn't? Then what the frick did Beau see? Was he hallucinating?
Idk. Ask Ari. Wait don't. He doesn't seem to know either.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I've answered every question you brought up
Not by referring to anything from the movie, just by pretending you didn't understand what the problem was with your answers and making stuff up to support your made up theory.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Again, what problem? I've answered everyone of your questions for the past 2 hours or so until you finally shut the frick up because you got btfo and now you're revved up again because some dingleberry replied to you.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Again, what problem?
All the problems I brought up where your only answers had to do with either you not understanding the question or bringing up your own personal head canon about how much he loved and respected his mother and would never get angry at her because it was all the dad's fault for dying when she had sex with him that you can't actually point to any scene or dialogue to validate.
If you were wrong and clearly unable to provide a quote 2 hours ago, you are obviously still wrong and unable to quote now.
4 months ago
Anonymous
What question because you posted about 5 of them all of which I answered starting here
Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at rather than the one who lied to him about dying if he had sex?
>bringing up your own personal head canon about how much he loved and respected his mother
Uh, he did? We see her overbearing and overall b***hiness through snippets of the movie. She doesn't become really a true psycho b***h until the end when everything is revealed. And when the trial happens at the end we get a runthrough of all the supposedly good things she did for him and Beau regrets ever crossing his mother and begs her. >never get angry at her
I literally never said this. >because it was all the dad's fault for dying
It's his dads fault for passing on this problem (that his mom told him it was his father) that he believed existed his entire life up until he cooms in that one woman and realizes he didn't die and is happy (although she died). >If you were wrong and clearly unable to provide a quote 2 hours ago, you are obviously still wrong and unable to quote now.
I haven't seen the movie in months and I'm not gonna download a torrent to quote a line just to satisfy your autism.
4 months ago
Anonymous
also considering op, that you just watched this movie and I'm going off of memory from this dogshit movie and know more about it than you just goes to show how much of a midwit you are. I seriously hope you're pretending to be moronic.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>all of which I answered
You mean answers like
>Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at
For most of the movie he only believes his mother and everything she says obviously. Until the end when it was all revealed.
where you didn't actually reference anything and just pretended to know exactly what beau believes when he was clearly far too confused for the entire film to actually believe anything coherent.
>regrets
Again pretending like you know what he believed when it was far more likely he was just pandering to her because she was threatening to kill him.
>It's his dads fault for passing on this problem
He couldn't pass on that problem if there wasn't some psycho who wanted to have sex with someone who would die if she did.
>I haven't seen the movie in months
Thanks, that explains why your memory of the movie is so faulty, I accept your concession.
also considering op, that you just watched this movie and I'm going off of memory from this dogshit movie and know more about it than you just goes to show how much of a midwit you are. I seriously hope you're pretending to be moronic.
Your memory is faulty and you aren't going off of the memory of the actual film, but the memory of the narrative you invented to accompany the film, in other words you are making things up to support your original asspull that Beau was angry at his father and I am not OP, I just don't understand where you got the idea that he expressed a bunch of anger towards his father.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>where you didn't actually reference anything
In that post I said he believes his mother because his father isn't around to say otherwise. And it's true he believes her because if he didn't he wouldn't be so anxious about cooming if he didn't. you donut >Again pretending like you know what he believed
He literally confesses in the trial scene that what he did was wrong. It's literally stockholm syndrome: the scene. >when it was far more likely he was just pandering to her because she was threatening to kill him.
So you accuse me of pretending to know what he believed while you just inserted your own headcanon? kek >He couldn't pass on that problem if there wasn't some psycho who wanted to have sex with someone who would die if she did.
The point is she tells Beau that the father had the dying coom issue. >Thanks, that explains why your memory of the movie is so faulty, I accept your concession.
More like
also considering op, that you just watched this movie and I'm going off of memory from this dogshit movie and know more about it than you just goes to show how much of a midwit you are. I seriously hope you're pretending to be moronic.
>in other words you are making things up to support your original asspull that Beau was angry at his father and I am not OP
doubt.jpg considering you're so high strung up about this minor point in a post now 3 hours ago. > I just don't understand where you got the idea that he expressed a bunch of anger towards his father.
I never said a bunch of anger.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>And it's true he believes her because if he didn't he wouldn't be so anxious about cooming if he didn't.
Except if he knew she was a psychotic manipulative liar who was just trying to torture and manipulate him with lies, he would also be anxious about dealing with her.
>He literally confesses in the trial scene that what he did was wrong.
He literally was coerced to say whatever he thought they wanted to hear under the threat of murder.
>The point is she tells Beau that the father had the dying coom issue.
No, the point is that doesn't explain why he would be angry at the father or point to any time when he actually expressed anger towards his dad.
>this minor point
I am only "hung up" because it wasn't an actual plot point, it never happened in the movie, only in your faulty memory.
So he was only a little angry, not enough anger to actually be expressed by only enough to be noticed by you and other people who know exactly what he believes that was never actually spoken?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Except if he knew she was a psychotic
Yeah and he doesn't but we do. >He literally was coerced to say whatever he thought they wanted to hear under the threat of murder.
That's your headcanon speaking again mate. >No
Yes. >So he was only a little angry
I accept your concession OP. Have a nice day.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah and he doesn't but we do.
The flashbacks and his increasing nervousness over time indicate otherwise.
>That's your headcanon speaking again mate.
No, its the psychology of coercion and there is more evidence to support that theory than there is to support yours given he didn't confess when they were originally arguing at the house, he tried to get away from her and only "confessed" when she clearly had the upper hand and was threatening capital punishment.
>Yes.
Nope a loved one dying generally makes people sad for them not angry.
Someone killing your loved one with sex is much more likely to lead to anger.
>I accept your concession OP.
The "concession" that if there was any anger, it could only possibly be a small indiscernible amount of anger that was never actually expressed in the film and is likely just made up by someone projecting their own general hostility?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>>and wasn't a penis monster either >As yes the symbolism. It's obvious the mother didn't have intercourse with a giant penis monster.
She didn't? Then what the frick did Beau see? Was he hallucinating?
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, never, he actually got onto a stage in the middle of the woods that turned into a completely different life where he grew old and died after having a bunch of kids, then eventually returned to the stage after he died old to continue his journey.
4 months ago
Anonymous
But he woke up/came back to himself after he realized the world he wasn't imagining wasn't real, the whole attic sequence was continuous and that crazy veteran interacted with his dad which means it was real.
4 months ago
Anonymous
*the world he was imagining wasn't real.
4 months ago
Anonymous
True, people who are prone to insane hallucination know exactly when they are hallucinating and when they aren't.
4 months ago
Anonymous
But opening the door to "he was hallucinating" means we can't be sure of anything that happens in the movie because we see it through Beau's eyes.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, I am pretty sure that door was not even hinged in the first place and insane hallucinatory things were happening from the very start.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>insane hallucinatory things were happening from the very start.
Such as?
4 months ago
Anonymous
All the crazy shit going on in the background while he was walking to and from the medical office and all the insane signs on the streets about pussy.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know, bro. I'm not American but I have seen some vids, the crazies on the street and the degenerate signs seem more than plausibly real to me.
4 months ago
Anonymous
That’s another fun problem. ESLs don’t recognize that Beau is in a constant waking nightmare because their exclusive window into the US is youtube videos of skid row type places.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>exclusive window into the US
You can't pretend that such places don't exist.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The point is judging the US by skid row is like judging the UK by a pile of trash on the side of the road.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Got some screenshots of these vids where some random residential neighborhood has signs that incoherently reference pussy dozens of times?
4 months ago
Anonymous
The movie isn't a dream, a hallucination, an euphemism or anything like that. There's a "real" story which the batshit insane plot is based on, but it isn't directly connected in any way in a 1:1 fashion, it's just like if you took your life and then wrote a surreal exaggerated story based on it. Except the "real" beau is of course also a fictional character.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You kind of confused me, what he saw in the attic, was it real or not?
4 months ago
Anonymous
here's your problem: you're trying to figure the movie out. it's not that kind of movie, plus it's a straight up comedy. what you see happen really happens, they're not symbols. shit happens because Ari Aster wanted to put those things in his movie, not because they answer questions.
4 months ago
Anonymous
That is literally what a euphemism/metaphor is since you already said it was to tell another story that isn't 1:1 factual.
4 months ago
Anonymous
that wasn't me >wait, how did that vulture get on the airplane? why isn't it in the next shot, where'd it go?
Beau has the same kind of "logic" Airplane! does, shit happens because it's funny, not because it's really happening
4 months ago
Anonymous
That was me, and I meant that if you put the events of the movie through a filter that removes all the blatantly unreal shit, you get the vague outline of the real beau, but most of the events can't be interpreted as exaggerated versions of real events. It's a cartoon based off a "real" character
4 months ago
Anonymous
Can I ask where and how you came to >"most of the events can't be interpreted as exaggerated versions of real events. It's a cartoon based off a "real" character"
line of thinking?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Theory of mind + paranoid schizophrenia
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Where
In my couch this Friday when i watched the movie >How
Because the movie just doesn't make sense as an allegory, yet it's obvious it's based off "actual" beau who has a narcissist mother, no father, a psychiatrist but she's not a billionaire, his dad is not a wiener monster and the psych is not secretly working for his mom (nor is evil).
4 months ago
Anonymous
There are a couple of bits that indicate the shrink (and others) are working for mom. The fact the first drug is a placebo and the bit where grace, food truck woman who ran him over, is on the phone with beau’s mom, trying to tell her he needs the real medication (read: anti-psychotics) that was being administered to him until the call.
Fun fact about anti-psychotics, they intensify schizophrenia if they’re given irregularly.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>The fact the first drug is a placebo
The one that he needed to drink water with, or the one before it? Was he really sick or did his mom just made him think he was to keep him docile and pump him with drugs?
4 months ago
Anonymous
He was really sick but his mom rejected that diagnosis and had him fed placebos. By the time the movie starts he’s basically learned to live with his hallucinations, then he misses the flight.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You're making me rethink some things, so his bag and keys weren't actually stolen?
4 months ago
Anonymous
He believes they were.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah in the plot they all work for her, they're on the collage of employees and so on (i think the "YOU'RE FRICKED PAL" guy is a caterer), but in the real world does it seem likely that his mom is an omnipotent billionaire?
So do you interpret the trial scene for a simple "his mother guilt trips him over past mistakes" and that he's not really dead just wishes that he was?
It represents something like a guilt trip, but it's possible it never happened. What I'm saying is that the movie has it's own plot, not every scene is a representation of something happening at that moment
4 months ago
Anonymous
In the real world it’s just the food truck woman and the shrink.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>grace, food truck woman
You know, in one scene in the house, they say she's got an important meeting at a corporate job, so... does she do the truck stuff as a volunteer or was it to keep track of Beau?
4 months ago
Anonymous
So do you interpret the trial scene for a simple "his mother guilt trips him over past mistakes" and that he's not really dead just wishes that he was?
4 months ago
Anonymous
The trial is the result of him being alone on a boat in the dark with white noise (the motor) and being schizophrenic. Read: MKULTRA where they megadosed people with LSD and stuffed them in sensory deprivation chambers
4 months ago
Anonymous
I got no problem with that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Except you can figure it out. Everything we saw was real for Beau.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>it's not that kind of movie
Says who?
4 months ago
Anonymous
For real beau, no (and he never went into the attic as far as we know)
For the beau we saw, yes (because the events of the movie are one big shitpost)
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd be pretty angry
That has nothing to do with the character in the film though, he has a picture of a man he thinks is his father on his wall. At the least he shows eagerness in wanting to meet his father and not to give him a whooping or anything.
It's good, it's like Michel Gondry crossed with Charlie Kaufman. It's too in your face with "hidden" details and symbolism but there's so much of it you won't come away knowing the answer to everything with just one viewing.
>It's too in your face with "hidden" details and symbolism
Did the director ever reveal what "hidden" symbolism he was crying about that nobody seemed to notice or talk about?
Joaquin is the son of a narcissistic c**t, he has extreme anxiety and is a total infantilized doormat and he has to go visit his mom. The movie is divided into like 4-6 segments, which are all surrealistic anxiety inducing hellscapes. He never changes and there's little depth to the characters, his mom is the textbook example of a narcissist parent and he's always an insufferable wimp. It has a bunch of hidden imagery and stuff but there's very little psychological depth and the movie is way too long, it's really funny in parts though.
Some people have problems recognizing that art should sometimes be uncomfortable.
This is confabulated by idiots who hide behind it as an excuse to make bad art.
I agree but are you sure don't just mean regular "modernist"? It's more encompassing than most people realize I think, not everything "weird" falls under po-mo
I think it does challenge a classical morality, and I think Beau is actively self-aware enough, including self-projecting onto a surreal play about the life he wants/has, but I'm not very serious, and I dont read very much.
I dont think it's centrally post-modern, certainly more israeli.
Moral relativism and perspective subjectivity, non-linearity and surrealism can all be modernist but you're right, the meta-textual play definitely crosses over into po-mo that's true
QRD: narcissistic, delusional and paranoid israelite gets israeliteed by his israeliteess mother. Made so Ari aster can say “I don’t just make movies about goyim”.
I went over the scenes again, read lots of interpretations, and went to the director interviews with Aster and my conclusion was that this wasn’t like a Lynch film sadly and a lot of the elements don’t really make coherent sense.
I was onboard at the beginning though. But yeah it’s just way too open ended towards the end, the ending sucked balls, and Aster himself said in a lot of interviews for the questions people had that he didn’t know or have the answer. Compare this to actual good puzzle symbolic movies like Mulholland Drive and it’s night and day.
Not as bad as people say it is though the beginning was good especially and the film looked great visually. It’s fun to ponder and interpret if nothing else I guess. But the lack of real intent and using open ended symbolism to produce a veneer of depth just pissed me right off.
Films are not hyperencoded clockwork puzzles that reveal le secret meanings you Sherlock stemgay autist. I know Lynch buck broke you redditors brains but stop treating them as such and you won't be so frustrated. Watch some real world cinema and you will understand what true parametric embedded structural filmic meaning that complements narrative theme and character is - hint, it's not parallel alternative stories meant to be oblivious to the average viewer
It would be much easier for the uninitiated to read or watch a few formal analysis of famous paintings or other visual art, film is the same but with more dimension and complexity using things like mis en scene, editing, color, perspective, blocking, framing, lighting etc to create layers of stylistic and narrative "meaning". Think of how heros vs villains are depicted as a basic example.
The text Film as Art an Introduction by the Bordwells is devoted to this and frequently taught in school, you can find it in the /film/ general literature mega here
https://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlA
https://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlA/file/eaQwiZIb
I know youtube videos get a bad wrap here, often deservedly so but for film education there are some pretty instructive ones that are much more immediately appreciable than a text. Watch someone breakdown Akira kurosawas High &Low for instance, he's a perfect educational middle ground director when it comes to marrying technical form and narrative
If text isn’t accessible to you then a youtuber will just be “I’m happy because someone is talking to me.”
4 months ago
Anonymous
That's cold, man. Some people are just not in the mood for reading.
4 months ago
Anonymous
That’s the cold reality of youtubers.
4 months ago
Anonymous
lol I get but film is a temporal medium, much easier to teach someone about editing techniques with video. Plus they probably have not seen much of the source material in text
4 months ago
Anonymous
Youtube can contain textual content as well as video. The two in tandem can convey information much more concisely than a book on film can.
4 months ago
Anonymous
If you can’t read faster than a person talks then youtube videos will just be pretty images and sounds.
4 months ago
Anonymous
An image can convey the content of an image faster than a description of an image can.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Only to someone who doesn’t need to sound out words to read them. Slow reading == slow cognition
>for the questions people had that he didn’t know or have the answer
The interviewers are just too dumb to realize you wouldn't put a ton of non verbal stuff in there just to verbalize it at the drop of a hat. The few interviews I've seen he's clearly uncomfortable being asked to explain something where the value is intended to be finding out for yourself.
Solid movie, but not without its issues. The middle is a pointless slog without any good comedic payoff, though some moron here likes to think the play scene is okay because it sets up the bad joke that ends Beau's fantasizing. The end is way too explicit for a movie that's three hours long. It is very funny at the start though, and has its moments,
Her bit about Alec Baldwin's insane wife was pretty funny and she is a legend for naming her own kid Genital Fissure and sacrificing his future well being for a bad pun.
He is autistic and her uncle is a lifetime congressman.
Also, technically, it was Gene Attell Fischer because she is such an admirer of Dave Attell, but she eventually changed the middle name from Attell to David when people noticed and criticized.
After keeping the mother stuff relatively subtle, in that it is not just stated explicitly, the final two "episodes" of the movie, Beau speaking with his mother and the "trial," are just Beau being a squirming worm while he gets yelled at by his mother and then by the lawyer.
The way the two bash Beau over the head with how bad of a son he is (and to what extent Beau at least believes his life was ruined by his mother) is what was implicit throughout the movie in every facet of Beau's character. Why spend two and a half hours building up that portrait only to switch gears in the last half hour so completely? It's not like they reveal anything we didn't know. If it was to show us how annoying it must be to Beau it succeeded, but with a couple exceptions it's not very funny. Did they need to spend half an hour doing it?
Because the movie is about anxiety becoming real. Why leave the guilt Beau feels as merely a theme and not an actualization like the rest of the anxieties presented? It’s the most thematically relevant anxiety actualization which is why it takes place at the end. Beau fearing that his entire life was a judgement trial orchestrated by his mother becomes very real and it ties into one of the first scenes of the movie with Beau at the therapist where the therapist writes down “Guilty” in his notepad.
That's all well and good as a rationale for the trial scene, and I agree with you, but the issue for me is more the drawn-out hitting us over the head with it thing, to the point of becoming tiresome, in two adjacent scenes that are extremely similar thematically, in a movie that's otherwise subtle. It feels overlong to the point of being tiresome.
It'd work as a denouement, and it does, but it's the entire length of the third act. Obviously I don't know what exactly was going on but I bet it was supposed to be a sort of confrontation/climax similar to that in Lord of the Rings or the Odyssey (if you can call the killing of the suitors a climax). But you can't draw out those parts as long in a psychological movie, because it gets tedious; only so much can happen.
Not only does it not look like a reflection, it’s also not the same number of lights and it’s also a wood surface so it would illuminate way differently as a reflection (much more diffused).
>Not only does it not look like a reflection
Then why does it look exactly like it is just light reflected in straight lines from the light source directly above it? Do you just not understand how curved surfaces and angles of incident work?
>it’s also a wood surface
No, its a surface coated in some kind of antifouling paint or epoxy to protect the wood which is often quite reflective.
Why would there be two beams and be completely different angles and color? It literally glows differently in motion as well and doesn’t flicker like the spotlight.
>Why would there be two beams and be completely different angles and color?
Because the surface is curved and the light reaches both spots from different angles which then reflects at at different angles with regard to the camera.
> It literally glows differently in motion as well and doesn’t flicker like the spotlight.
I would have to see it to understand the question.
4 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn’t make sense, it would glow in various other curvatures which are visible to the viewer. It doesn’t just randomly pick two surfaces and reflect on them. Also you need to actually watch the film instead of responding off pics.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I have seen the movie and nothing seemed out of place with the reflections, but I don't have it handy right this minute to pull up, so I can't judge what you said, I was only judging the pics you posted as proof because you were acting like there is something out of the ordinary your pics definitively proved when it just looks like light reflecting off of a curved surface and you had to move the goalposts to "actually it only really looks irregular in motion".
4 months ago
Anonymous
I didn’t say it looks irregular only in motion. It looks irregular now and your explanation doesn’t make sense. Again, there’s different colors to the lights, light doesn’t reflect off wood this way, and light doesn’t arbitrarily form two reflections with completely different angles. Try harder.
4 months ago
Anonymous
How have you never seen light reflect off curved shiny/wet surfaces before?
4 months ago
Anonymous
How can you continue to say stupid shit? It’s a different color and different angles than the light source. If your argument was that it’s wet that would mean the reflection would change over time as the wetness dries (and typically would be very quick). However the glow of the feet remains constant throughout the entire credits from the moment the boat flips.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Not to mention the glow moves with the bobbing of the boat and doesn’t remain constant across the surface as a normal reflection should
4 months ago
Anonymous
It is in water and the boat is bobbing up and down with the waves.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes and reflections would stay fixed over the bobbing boat. They would not bob with the boat, moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes and reflections would stay fixed over the bobbing boat.
They would reflect from the surface, so if the surface moves, the reflection would also move along with it because reflection is a surface effect.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Reflections reflect a fixed light. If it was a reflection they would not change location in the viewer’s frame of reference, regardless of the bobbing of the boat. The fact that it moves with the bobbing means the light source is a glow from within the boat (as well as the additional clues like a totally different color, flicker rate, and incongruent angles/clarity/shape). Do better dummy.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anon. Imagine if the boat surface flattened out. The two reflections on either side of the point would be one single reflection. If the now flat boat tilted, the reflection would tilt as well.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The light does not stay fixed in the viewer’s frame of reference as a reflection should. You are coping.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Reflections tilt according to the angle between the viewer and the light source. The light source is above the boat, it is the shaft of light from the projector.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Reflections can have their SHAPE distorted but their ORIENTATION within the viewer’s frame of reference does not change. You don’t know how light works and you have not seen the film.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No one is trolled bruh.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Correct. No one is trolled by your moronation. The flipped boat shows Beau’s feet glowing in white.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nope. It’s two reflections of the light beam above the boat.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The reflections look nothing like feet either.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>their ORIENTATION within the viewer’s frame of reference does not change.
It does when its a curved surface instead of a flat uniform one.
I still don't have the movie handy and don't know what you are talking about with your you have to see it in motion argument, but the reflections look nothing like feet.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nope. The coordinates of a reflection stay fixed regardless of the shape of a surface. The shape of the reflection merely distorts, but at no point does the reflection change location within the viewer’s frame of reference and parallax.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>the shape of a surface.
Nobody is claiming that the shape of the boat is changing, its due to the location changing with the waves in the water.
>at no point does the reflection change location
Reflection is a surface effect, so as the location of the surface changes with respect to the camera, so does the reflection.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anon. You’ve never seen a curved reflective surface before, have you.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAA COPE
DUDE RANDOM TWO REFLECTIONS
WHY?
ITS A CURVED SURFACE DUDE
UUUM FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF THE CURVES ON THE BOAT THO ITS JUST THAT LOCATION
WHY ISNT IT THE SAME COLOR? UUUM ITS LIKE WET OR ITS THE PAINT
WHY DOES IT BOB?UUUM CURVED SURFACE!
WHY DOES IT FLICKER DIFFERENTLY THAN THE SPOTLIGHT? UUUUM ITS LIKE WET N STUFF
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
4 months ago
Anonymous
You could’ve just said yes. It’s kinda sad to think things like doorknobs not made of pig iron or rust are completely outside of your experience.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then why aren't there two different colored lights in the water to match the two different colored lights from each of his different colored light feet?
If your whole argument is that it is two different colored lights, so it must be feet because people have two feet, then why does only one color extend into the water?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>If it was a reflection they would not change location in the viewer’s frame of reference, regardless of the bobbing of the boat
If the boat's surface was change location in the viewer's frame of reference due to bobbing, the reflection would too because the reflection is a surface effect directly connected to the location of the surface.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Not the way reflections work. You are a moron. Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows. The reflection stays over a water surface. Same thing with any other surface.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows.
the absolute state of discussions on this forsaken board
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows.
I never said it did, I said as the waves in the water changes the location and orientation of the surface of the boat, the light will reflect differently from the moving surface to a fixed camera.
You can easily just hold a ball bearing in your hand and bob it up and down to see that the reflection moves as the surface moves.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Is optics really that difficult to understand? Are reflections really that complicated?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Optics must be hard for you to understand if you seriously think that’s a reflection because reflections don’t look like that
4 months ago
Anonymous
You understand it’s reflections of the light beam, right? Not the light itself?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Its got a wet look because that is how epoxy works.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>there’s different colors to the lights,
Because of the different angles of reflection leading to different intensity of light that ultimately reaches the camera from each peak of the curve.
>light doesn’t reflect off wood this way
Its not reflecting off of wood, it is reflecting off of shiny paint and epoxy.
>light doesn’t arbitrarily form two reflections with completely different angles
Its not arbitrary, its based on the curve of the surface peaking and changing in different spots.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Everything you’ve said is wrong. Not the way reflections work
4 months ago
Anonymous
So you think that no matter what angle light hits a curved surface, it always looks the exact same intensity from every angle?
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, and you continue to not understand things. You not only don’t understand optics you don’t understand words.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then why are you saying that light reflecting from completely different angles of a curved surface should be the exact same intensity/color?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Intensity=/=color. It should very much stay the same color especially on a dull greyish surface. There is no blue in these lights and they are unrelated to the spotlight.
4 months ago
Anonymous
White + glossy gray == bluish.
Wait, are you color blind?
4 months ago
Anonymous
There is no blue in the reflection. Learn to read/look at images blind moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Okay you’ve gone from saying there’s blue to there’s no blue.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Learn to read blind moron
4 months ago
Anonymous
You said the reflection is blueish. And now saying it isn’t.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No I did not you illiterate moron. I have always maintained the lights of the boat are a different color than the blue spotlight.
No wonder you idiots think it’s a reflection.
4 months ago
Anonymous
There isn’t a “spotlight,” it’s the projector, like in a theater, that was showing beau’s memories. The boat is reflecting the light beam from said projector.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Projectors are spotlights
4 months ago
Anonymous
The intensity of light definitely affects the color, just look at the sun directly, then look at it through a pinhole and you will see that its color profile is different when you reduce the intensity.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Are you trying to troll? Seems there’s always someone trying to troll in these threads, and it’s always “haha I’m wrong and stupid and I won’t shut the frick up” level
Serious question, are you israeli? And what parts did you think were so funny? I laughed when the girl drank paint, or when the other girl died after she had sex with Joaquin Phoenix, and the beginning was great, but what do you think are the funniest parts of the movie?
you gave a general formula, not one or more specific scenes in the movie
4 months ago
Anonymous
Because it’s most of the movie.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Are you able to differentiate between different levels of comic effect? How some things are sorta funny, some a little funny, some pretty funny, some very funny, some extraordinarily funny, etc? Did you think the entire movie was consistently on the same level? Why are you being so difficult?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Because it’s funny watching you struggle so hard with the fact the movie was a comedy and if you didn’t get it, you won’t. There is no primer I can give you, no key that will unlock the hilarity. You are left out and always will be.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>go into a thread talking about a movie >ask somebody what they thought the funniest part of the movie is >they reply, "you just don't get it, and you never will."
lol?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yep. You had to ask, so you don’t know. You’ll never know.
4 months ago
Anonymous
you're right, I don't know what you thought the funniest part of the movie was, that's why I asked. you're coming off like you don't want to explain it for fear of having it open to criticism or something, or like the movie is invulnerable to criticism because if somebody thought it wasn't funny, they just didn't get it, I don't know, but I you don't look as clever as you must think you do
4 months ago
Anonymous
Or I recognize you as one of the people who haunts these threads and is always begging to be let in on the joke.
>151 posts >TWENTY SIX (26) UNIQUE REPLIES
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You are a spammer who doesn't even understand how to read Cinemaphile statistics, why would anyone believe you have anything intelligent to contribute?
POST where you get your statistics from mate. Post are shut the frick up and keep the dick in your mouth where it belongs.
I use https://4stats.io and I can easily make inferences from that
The statistics for any thread are always located at the bottom of the thread in the same line as the [Post a Reply] link.
You obviously can't since you don't even seem to understand what the stats mean.
What the frick are you talking about you dumbfrick? That's exactly what I said? There's 27 unique posters here that's 27 unique IPs are you pretending to be moronic? Or are you just a fat cancerous shit stain with nothing better to do with your life? Why don't you eat a bullet already instead of wasting people's time.
So his feet are longer than the boat is wide and their reflection extends well into the water in front of and behind the boat directly under the light source for reasons?
Then why aren't there two different colored lights in the water to match the two different colored lights from each of his different colored light feet?
The righter reflection is more distributed around the curve of the front of the boat than the left, making it look like a different color to someone who’s partially colorblind
I understand from the perspective of it just being a reflection, I want him to explain from his perspective that two different feet are glowing two different colors of light and it spreads out like light from a bedsheet into the water, yet the water is just one reflection with one color reflected from the projector instead of two light for two feet.
4 months ago
Anonymous
At no point did I ever say the light in the water is from the glow of the feet in the boat. The water is clearly reflecting the spotlight. The light on the boat however is a glow from his feet, not a reflection of the spotlight.
You idiots need to learn to read.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I asked how their reflection extended into the water
So his feet are longer than the boat is wide and their reflection extends well into the water in front of and behind the boat directly under the light source for reasons?
and you brought up bed sheets and residual light extending beyond the source
Shine a flashlight through a bedsheet and see for yourself how residual light can extend beyond the circumference of the flashlight
.
If the projector light is clearly reflecting off of the water, why wouldn't it also reflect off of the paint and epoxy on the boat's curved surface?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I was addressing your statement “So his feet are longer than the boat is wide” when I mentioned the bedsheet. I did not acknowledge your statement that the light was extending into the water because I never said that and that’s just a byproduct of your own idiotic understanding of things.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Okay so you’re saying his feet are spotlights magically glowing through wood now? And he’s just upside down however far below the surface?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. That’s what I’ve been saying since my first post. And Beau’s feet literally become stuck to the boat as it flips. Those are the exact same positions of where he was standing.
4 months ago
Anonymous
And the fact the “lights” are completely inline with the diffusion pattern of the reflected light beam in the water means…
4 months ago
Anonymous
> completely inline
This is a cope because they are not.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, you specifically said beyond the circumference and if its light diffusing like through bed-sheets why would they reflect in lines that match the angle of incident with the projector light rather than extending in every direction like a novel light source such as a flashlight would?
4 months ago
Anonymous
What are you talking about? The lights of the feet don’t match the right angles of a reflection and yes this includes even for a curved surface. They are not aligning to the parallax of the light source in any way. The diffuse of light through a bedsheet is addressing your comment about how the feet glows seem to stretch out a bit further to the edge of the boat. Learn to read moron.
4 months ago
Anonymous
> completely inline
This is a cope because they are not.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Perfect thanks for proving my point about how reflections don’t suddenly split into two nor do they pick random spots on the side at odd angles.
4 months ago
Anonymous
See that point at the front? It’s the highest point above the water in the gif you keep posting. It’s a lot easier to see in the movie.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then how do you explain that there are clearly multiple different reflections with varying color?
4 months ago
Anonymous
You’re colorblind
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then why are you the one that can't see the subtle difference between the two different shades?
4 months ago
Anonymous
You’ve got it backwards, you think different shades equal different colors, because that’s all you can see.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Backwards? So as opposed to thinking that different colors equals different shades of color?
4 months ago
Anonymous
You know I just feel sorry for you, right? That your life is so empty that “pretending” to be moronic is the only way you get attention?
Feel free to have the last word and “no (you)”
4 months ago
Anonymous
I am not pretending anything the only way to make "different shades equal different colors" backwards is with "different colors equal different shades".
I accept your concession.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You literally just need to use photoshop's color selection tool to see there are different colors in the reflected light and you are colorblind.
Dude the different colored light from different glowing feet would totally just end up as one color of light and one reflection in the water and I was totally there and kept reminding him to wax the wood, but he just forgot!
gee I wonder why the moronic troll will only post a micro gif made for ants without even positing why his dumb theory would be in the film to begin with
Its not just wood, it treated for marine use, its paint and epoxy you see, not the wood, and there are clearly other parts and earlier scenes where you can tell it is shiny.
Any word on what Eddington is going to be about? We know it's some sort of ghost town film about Covid-19 but that's all from what I can gather. Hopefully it's not too on the nose with the references
Notice how there’s various glows happening under the boat that have nothing to do with the spotlight and eventually they materialize into Beau’s feet. All independent of the spotlight.
If anything, with the somewhat erratic nature of the bobbing, the closest thing I could see it being is him kicking the boat trying to flip it back over and that action deforming the shape of the boat, altering the reflection momentarily.
There’s no reason reflectivity of a material surface changes. Warping or not there are areas that clearly stop shining light even though they have not significantly warped. Not to mention wood doesn’t warp that way.
>visible from all directions
Not the way reflections work and I have no idea what your analogy is trying to say. You sound like you can’t read or think.
You think because the light beam isn’t being constantly reflected in
gee I wonder why the moronic troll will only post a micro gif made for ants without even positing why his dumb theory would be in the film to begin with
No I brought up something relevant to the movie (glowing feet) and the moronic chuds started to troll saying they’re reflections. There’s two or three regards (including you).
Because water is reflective while a wooden boat doesn’t reflect things as well. Also I can tell you’re moronic because you used the word “reflect” when it’s a “diffusion” of light in the case of the glowing feet.
Its not random, though, its related to the projector light's angle, the moving surface of the boat, and the shifting relation to the camera.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It’s completely random and you should invest in a ruler to help you figure out what alignment actually looks like
4 months ago
Anonymous
It is kind of random insofar as the bobbing motion of the boat is completely random, but the light tracks with the surface, the reflection is not random.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No it’s random with respect to all environmental factors and is clearly a separate light source within the boat shining outwards. Try better Genghis.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, if that were the case it wouldn't be in roughly the same spot, it would move all along the boat and the angle would not track just like light across a curved surface from an overhead light source.
Anyway you simply aren't honest, you said no more (You)s like 10 (You)s ago, so you are obviously just trying to troll despite the fact nobody is buying it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing about your explanations track with observations. Must be your cognitive dissonance from wishing you were European but forever being an Asian gypsy affecting your perceptions again. Must be tough.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Not as rough as how you feel when you try to make your points without dishonesty and logical fallacy.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing dishonest or fallacious about it. Everything I’ve said is 100% true. I’m so sorry you had to find out this way Genghis.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nothing fallacious, sorry [insert fallacy].
4 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for confirming you are most upset about being an Asian. As I’ve mentioned many times before, many of the cognitive issues rusanglogermcucks face is due to this core cognitive dissonance of their identity of wishing to be European but forever being Asian gypsies. You’ve helped further solidify how central this dissonance is to your identity.
>Im definitely European even though my ancestors come from Mongolia and arrived in Europe in the ADs, please let me into the Euro club!
No. Sorry Hansdeep Nigelwong.
So why is it in lines like you would get from overhead reflection instead of circles like you would get with a light source diffusing through material?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>why is it in lines
Because it’s his two feet >instead of a circle like diffusion
Diffusion doesn’t necessarily happen in a circle, it depends on the light source. If it’s a source of light shaped like feet and the feet are not touching the surface all across the sole, then you’d get a pattern where the point where the feet are touching is the brightest and the parts lifted off from the surface would look more “diffuse” which is exactly what we see with the two lines. Essentially we are seeing Beau’s heels planted against the boat with his toes slightly above the surface.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have some kind of weird chicken feet that you associate feet with straight narrow lines.
>If it’s a source of light shaped like feet and the feet are not touching the surface all across the sole, then you’d get a pattern where the point where the feet are touching is the brightest and the parts lifted off from the surface would look more “diffuse”
Pics? Light travels radially, not the way you describe.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Diffusion happens due to scattering. The closer a light source to a surface, the less scattering occurs. The angle of the light source against the surface will also dictate how the light will diffuse through it. Just saying “light spreads radially” doesn’t mean you’re going to end up with perfect circles, there are many scattering variables.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn’t mean you’re going to end up with perfect circles
It does mean the light would be more circular than linear which isn't the case.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, the lights’s shape is predominantly taking the shape of the light source (ie feet). It then scatters through material accordingly.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't scatter, it is almost entirely linear and extends into the water in a way that matches the overhead light source.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It neither extends into the water nor does it match the correct parallax or even the number of proposed light sources (1 vs 2).
4 months ago
Anonymous
There is definitely light in the water right in front of the boat in a similar line as the reflections.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The light on the water is indeed a proper reflection of the spotlight but it is incongruent to the light on the boat, even taking the curvature of the boat into consideration. We can also use other hints such as differing color and differing light intensity and flickering.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>incongruent
How so when you can draw straight lines through them that go straight through the light in the water to the camera?
My homie what are you doing
He is not sincere
He is bad faith
You will not argue him into submission
You will not extract a concession
We all recognize he is moronic
This thread will max and we are all dumber for having read it
>Beau tries to accept his death with dignity and closes his eyes >The boat just tips over instead of blowing up and you can hear him slowly drown to death over the credits
israeli Lord of the Rings
is this as bad as everyone says?
can someone give me the qrd without spoilers?
The Straight Story but on crack and the protagonist has paranoid schizophrenia.
It's very long as it's 3 hours, Phoenix performance is fantastic, so if you're a fan of his work watch it. It's got surreal elements to it, so maybe that will put you off.
it's ari asters a24 style contemporary version of the Odyssey where Joaquin Phoenix has an oedipus complex.
spoiler alert: it sucks
>oedipus complex
Wrong.
the sexual tension between his mother and him on the cruise scene says otherwise
Sure but an oedipus complex also mean that he hates his father, which he doesn't.
He's angry at his Dad because he can't have sex because he was told he would die. Also his dad is a giant penis monster. Holy frick this movie blows. So much shitty symbolism no wonder it was in the works years before Ari Aster made Hereditary and Midsommar. Only midwits like this shit trying to be 2deep4you
>He's angry at his Dad
Come on, bro. He was never shown to resent/be angry with his father.
I haven't seen the movie in months so I could be wrong but honestly if I was told I could never have sex without dying I'd be pretty angry.
His mom told him that, he never met or knew about his dad until the attic scene because his dad was a giant penis monster.
>His mom told him that
I know.
Anyway, movie sucks.
Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at rather than the one who lied to him about dying if he had sex?
>Then why do you think it was his dad he was angry at
For most of the movie he only believes his mother and everything she says obviously. Until the end when it was all revealed.
Why would he blame the dad instead of blaming the crazy lady eager to have sex with someone who would die if they did?
Because as a child you listen to whatever your parents spout to you and in this case of Beau it was all his mother so he accepts whatever she says, until as I said in my previous post, it's revealed in the end. Seriously Ari, why the frick am I telling you about your movie?
>t was all his mother so he accepts whatever she says
What exactly did she say about why she chose to bang a guy knowing he would die if she did?
what are you on about now?
I don't understand what part of the film you are referring because I don't remember her ever saying the things you are claiming about it being entirely the dad's fault, so I am asking exactly what she said that makes you believe that.
She told Beau when he was a child that his dad died having sex for the first time with her and that it was passed to Beau and that's why he is a perma virgin his whole life. Why are you so hung up about this so much?
I don't understand how that is just the dad's fault rather than the person who had sex with him knowing it would kill him, so I don't understand why you think that means he would be angry at his poor dad for dying rather than his sociopath mother for killing him.
I don't think she knew it would kill him or if the dad told her. Ari must have left that out of the script as with most things.
>rather than his sociopath mother for killing him
Because he loves his mother.
You miss that his dad was probably never dead or had a condition, and wasn't a penis monster either. In the scene of beaus birth his mom was screaming at presumably his dad that he made her birth him and that she never wanted beau to begin with.
Its not about what I missed, its about the things that didn't seem to actually happen that the other guy somehow noticed, but can't actually point out.
The narrative of the story and from his mother says he is. As the audience we know otherwise.
>and wasn't a penis monster either
As yes the symbolism. It's obvious the mother didn't have intercourse with a giant penis monster.
@194644251
Point out what op? You're moronic. I've told you countless times. Maybe don't watch the movie with your phone out.
>I've told you countless times.
No you haven't, you acted like you didn't understand the question and inserted your own head canon and referred to his love for his mother instead of pointing out what part of the film supports your theory.
I've answered every question you brought up. Sorry you don't understand. You've been hung up about this daddy issue shit for over 2 hours now. Give it a rest mate.
>She didn't? Then what the frick did Beau see? Was he hallucinating?
Idk. Ask Ari. Wait don't. He doesn't seem to know either.
>I've answered every question you brought up
Not by referring to anything from the movie, just by pretending you didn't understand what the problem was with your answers and making stuff up to support your made up theory.
Again, what problem? I've answered everyone of your questions for the past 2 hours or so until you finally shut the frick up because you got btfo and now you're revved up again because some dingleberry replied to you.
>Again, what problem?
All the problems I brought up where your only answers had to do with either you not understanding the question or bringing up your own personal head canon about how much he loved and respected his mother and would never get angry at her because it was all the dad's fault for dying when she had sex with him that you can't actually point to any scene or dialogue to validate.
If you were wrong and clearly unable to provide a quote 2 hours ago, you are obviously still wrong and unable to quote now.
What question because you posted about 5 of them all of which I answered starting here
>bringing up your own personal head canon about how much he loved and respected his mother
Uh, he did? We see her overbearing and overall b***hiness through snippets of the movie. She doesn't become really a true psycho b***h until the end when everything is revealed. And when the trial happens at the end we get a runthrough of all the supposedly good things she did for him and Beau regrets ever crossing his mother and begs her.
>never get angry at her
I literally never said this.
>because it was all the dad's fault for dying
It's his dads fault for passing on this problem (that his mom told him it was his father) that he believed existed his entire life up until he cooms in that one woman and realizes he didn't die and is happy (although she died).
>If you were wrong and clearly unable to provide a quote 2 hours ago, you are obviously still wrong and unable to quote now.
I haven't seen the movie in months and I'm not gonna download a torrent to quote a line just to satisfy your autism.
also considering op, that you just watched this movie and I'm going off of memory from this dogshit movie and know more about it than you just goes to show how much of a midwit you are. I seriously hope you're pretending to be moronic.
>all of which I answered
You mean answers like
where you didn't actually reference anything and just pretended to know exactly what beau believes when he was clearly far too confused for the entire film to actually believe anything coherent.
>regrets
Again pretending like you know what he believed when it was far more likely he was just pandering to her because she was threatening to kill him.
>It's his dads fault for passing on this problem
He couldn't pass on that problem if there wasn't some psycho who wanted to have sex with someone who would die if she did.
>I haven't seen the movie in months
Thanks, that explains why your memory of the movie is so faulty, I accept your concession.
Your memory is faulty and you aren't going off of the memory of the actual film, but the memory of the narrative you invented to accompany the film, in other words you are making things up to support your original asspull that Beau was angry at his father and I am not OP, I just don't understand where you got the idea that he expressed a bunch of anger towards his father.
>where you didn't actually reference anything
In that post I said he believes his mother because his father isn't around to say otherwise. And it's true he believes her because if he didn't he wouldn't be so anxious about cooming if he didn't. you donut
>Again pretending like you know what he believed
He literally confesses in the trial scene that what he did was wrong. It's literally stockholm syndrome: the scene.
>when it was far more likely he was just pandering to her because she was threatening to kill him.
So you accuse me of pretending to know what he believed while you just inserted your own headcanon? kek
>He couldn't pass on that problem if there wasn't some psycho who wanted to have sex with someone who would die if she did.
The point is she tells Beau that the father had the dying coom issue.
>Thanks, that explains why your memory of the movie is so faulty, I accept your concession.
More like
>in other words you are making things up to support your original asspull that Beau was angry at his father and I am not OP
doubt.jpg considering you're so high strung up about this minor point in a post now 3 hours ago.
> I just don't understand where you got the idea that he expressed a bunch of anger towards his father.
I never said a bunch of anger.
>And it's true he believes her because if he didn't he wouldn't be so anxious about cooming if he didn't.
Except if he knew she was a psychotic manipulative liar who was just trying to torture and manipulate him with lies, he would also be anxious about dealing with her.
>He literally confesses in the trial scene that what he did was wrong.
He literally was coerced to say whatever he thought they wanted to hear under the threat of murder.
>The point is she tells Beau that the father had the dying coom issue.
No, the point is that doesn't explain why he would be angry at the father or point to any time when he actually expressed anger towards his dad.
>this minor point
I am only "hung up" because it wasn't an actual plot point, it never happened in the movie, only in your faulty memory.
So he was only a little angry, not enough anger to actually be expressed by only enough to be noticed by you and other people who know exactly what he believes that was never actually spoken?
>Except if he knew she was a psychotic
Yeah and he doesn't but we do.
>He literally was coerced to say whatever he thought they wanted to hear under the threat of murder.
That's your headcanon speaking again mate.
>No
Yes.
>So he was only a little angry
I accept your concession OP. Have a nice day.
>Yeah and he doesn't but we do.
The flashbacks and his increasing nervousness over time indicate otherwise.
>That's your headcanon speaking again mate.
No, its the psychology of coercion and there is more evidence to support that theory than there is to support yours given he didn't confess when they were originally arguing at the house, he tried to get away from her and only "confessed" when she clearly had the upper hand and was threatening capital punishment.
>Yes.
Nope a loved one dying generally makes people sad for them not angry.
Someone killing your loved one with sex is much more likely to lead to anger.
>I accept your concession OP.
The "concession" that if there was any anger, it could only possibly be a small indiscernible amount of anger that was never actually expressed in the film and is likely just made up by someone projecting their own general hostility?
>>and wasn't a penis monster either
>As yes the symbolism. It's obvious the mother didn't have intercourse with a giant penis monster.
She didn't? Then what the frick did Beau see? Was he hallucinating?
No, never, he actually got onto a stage in the middle of the woods that turned into a completely different life where he grew old and died after having a bunch of kids, then eventually returned to the stage after he died old to continue his journey.
But he woke up/came back to himself after he realized the world he wasn't imagining wasn't real, the whole attic sequence was continuous and that crazy veteran interacted with his dad which means it was real.
*the world he was imagining wasn't real.
True, people who are prone to insane hallucination know exactly when they are hallucinating and when they aren't.
But opening the door to "he was hallucinating" means we can't be sure of anything that happens in the movie because we see it through Beau's eyes.
Yes, I am pretty sure that door was not even hinged in the first place and insane hallucinatory things were happening from the very start.
>insane hallucinatory things were happening from the very start.
Such as?
All the crazy shit going on in the background while he was walking to and from the medical office and all the insane signs on the streets about pussy.
I don't know, bro. I'm not American but I have seen some vids, the crazies on the street and the degenerate signs seem more than plausibly real to me.
That’s another fun problem. ESLs don’t recognize that Beau is in a constant waking nightmare because their exclusive window into the US is youtube videos of skid row type places.
>exclusive window into the US
You can't pretend that such places don't exist.
The point is judging the US by skid row is like judging the UK by a pile of trash on the side of the road.
Got some screenshots of these vids where some random residential neighborhood has signs that incoherently reference pussy dozens of times?
The movie isn't a dream, a hallucination, an euphemism or anything like that. There's a "real" story which the batshit insane plot is based on, but it isn't directly connected in any way in a 1:1 fashion, it's just like if you took your life and then wrote a surreal exaggerated story based on it. Except the "real" beau is of course also a fictional character.
You kind of confused me, what he saw in the attic, was it real or not?
here's your problem: you're trying to figure the movie out. it's not that kind of movie, plus it's a straight up comedy. what you see happen really happens, they're not symbols. shit happens because Ari Aster wanted to put those things in his movie, not because they answer questions.
That is literally what a euphemism/metaphor is since you already said it was to tell another story that isn't 1:1 factual.
that wasn't me
>wait, how did that vulture get on the airplane? why isn't it in the next shot, where'd it go?
Beau has the same kind of "logic" Airplane! does, shit happens because it's funny, not because it's really happening
That was me, and I meant that if you put the events of the movie through a filter that removes all the blatantly unreal shit, you get the vague outline of the real beau, but most of the events can't be interpreted as exaggerated versions of real events. It's a cartoon based off a "real" character
Can I ask where and how you came to
>"most of the events can't be interpreted as exaggerated versions of real events. It's a cartoon based off a "real" character"
line of thinking?
Theory of mind + paranoid schizophrenia
>Where
In my couch this Friday when i watched the movie
>How
Because the movie just doesn't make sense as an allegory, yet it's obvious it's based off "actual" beau who has a narcissist mother, no father, a psychiatrist but she's not a billionaire, his dad is not a wiener monster and the psych is not secretly working for his mom (nor is evil).
There are a couple of bits that indicate the shrink (and others) are working for mom. The fact the first drug is a placebo and the bit where grace, food truck woman who ran him over, is on the phone with beau’s mom, trying to tell her he needs the real medication (read: anti-psychotics) that was being administered to him until the call.
Fun fact about anti-psychotics, they intensify schizophrenia if they’re given irregularly.
>The fact the first drug is a placebo
The one that he needed to drink water with, or the one before it? Was he really sick or did his mom just made him think he was to keep him docile and pump him with drugs?
He was really sick but his mom rejected that diagnosis and had him fed placebos. By the time the movie starts he’s basically learned to live with his hallucinations, then he misses the flight.
You're making me rethink some things, so his bag and keys weren't actually stolen?
He believes they were.
Yeah in the plot they all work for her, they're on the collage of employees and so on (i think the "YOU'RE FRICKED PAL" guy is a caterer), but in the real world does it seem likely that his mom is an omnipotent billionaire?
It represents something like a guilt trip, but it's possible it never happened. What I'm saying is that the movie has it's own plot, not every scene is a representation of something happening at that moment
In the real world it’s just the food truck woman and the shrink.
>grace, food truck woman
You know, in one scene in the house, they say she's got an important meeting at a corporate job, so... does she do the truck stuff as a volunteer or was it to keep track of Beau?
So do you interpret the trial scene for a simple "his mother guilt trips him over past mistakes" and that he's not really dead just wishes that he was?
The trial is the result of him being alone on a boat in the dark with white noise (the motor) and being schizophrenic. Read: MKULTRA where they megadosed people with LSD and stuffed them in sensory deprivation chambers
I got no problem with that.
Except you can figure it out. Everything we saw was real for Beau.
>it's not that kind of movie
Says who?
For real beau, no (and he never went into the attic as far as we know)
For the beau we saw, yes (because the events of the movie are one big shitpost)
>I'd be pretty angry
That has nothing to do with the character in the film though, he has a picture of a man he thinks is his father on his wall. At the least he shows eagerness in wanting to meet his father and not to give him a whooping or anything.
It's good, it's like Michel Gondry crossed with Charlie Kaufman. It's too in your face with "hidden" details and symbolism but there's so much of it you won't come away knowing the answer to everything with just one viewing.
>It's too in your face with "hidden" details and symbolism
Did the director ever reveal what "hidden" symbolism he was crying about that nobody seemed to notice or talk about?
Joaquin is the son of a narcissistic c**t, he has extreme anxiety and is a total infantilized doormat and he has to go visit his mom. The movie is divided into like 4-6 segments, which are all surrealistic anxiety inducing hellscapes. He never changes and there's little depth to the characters, his mom is the textbook example of a narcissist parent and he's always an insufferable wimp. It has a bunch of hidden imagery and stuff but there's very little psychological depth and the movie is way too long, it's really funny in parts though.
i really liked it one of the better movies of the year, i'd give it a chance
It's really good but only if you have mommy issues will you love it like I do.
he's afraid all this bad shit is going to happen to him and then it all of it does happen.
QRD
The West has fallen
No its fantastic.
Some people have problems recognizing that art should sometimes be uncomfortable.
This is confabulated by idiots who hide behind it as an excuse to make bad art.
It's incredible.
Post-modern israeli Odyssey
>This is confabulated by idiots who hide behind it as an excuse to make bad art.
What do you exactly mean by this?
I agree but are you sure don't just mean regular "modernist"? It's more encompassing than most people realize I think, not everything "weird" falls under po-mo
Sure if you wanna make the argument.
I think it does challenge a classical morality, and I think Beau is actively self-aware enough, including self-projecting onto a surreal play about the life he wants/has, but I'm not very serious, and I dont read very much.
I dont think it's centrally post-modern, certainly more israeli.
Moral relativism and perspective subjectivity, non-linearity and surrealism can all be modernist but you're right, the meta-textual play definitely crosses over into po-mo that's true
Postmodernism:
>man vs technology
>man vs reality
>man vs author
Yeah none of that in Beau is afraid no sir.
The only thing that was uncomfortable is how hard I was laughing.
QRD: narcissistic, delusional and paranoid israelite gets israeliteed by his israeliteess mother. Made so Ari aster can say “I don’t just make movies about goyim”.
>narcissistic
Beau isn't narcissistic.
You don’t know what narcissism means.
Lack of empathy for others and being self centered.
Good job, you can Google.
Thanks. And Beau doesn't show those qualities.
>Beau isn’t self-centered, self-obsessed
This is the operative bit that you don’t understand.
He's not.
His horror and cowardice are warranted.
The world around him is literally violently abusively insane.
It's not self-centered to avoid or dissociate from that.
Good opening, mostly bad and boring middle, okay ending.
Worse than Hereditary, better than than Midsommar.
It's overlong dismal garbage but shills are trying to get Cinemaphile to like A24 so it gets astroturfed
Gonna watch it soon
It looks very interesting like Kaufman movies
Hope you like it.
So I found out that the director made a short film titled "Beau" in 2011, does anyone know where I could watch it?
Seems like it's basically the concept for the beginning of this movie but without the outdoor scenes.
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Yeah, I would like to watch it, but I can't find it anywhere, and there's only those 3 minutes on YouTube when imdb says it's a 7 minutes short movie.
pretty sure it's on vimeo
Care to share a link?
jewslop for r*dditors
>jewslop
So... any movie made in Hollywood.
But A24 is not supposed to be "hollywood".
I liked it til the ending quarter or so.
I went over the scenes again, read lots of interpretations, and went to the director interviews with Aster and my conclusion was that this wasn’t like a Lynch film sadly and a lot of the elements don’t really make coherent sense.
I was onboard at the beginning though. But yeah it’s just way too open ended towards the end, the ending sucked balls, and Aster himself said in a lot of interviews for the questions people had that he didn’t know or have the answer. Compare this to actual good puzzle symbolic movies like Mulholland Drive and it’s night and day.
Not as bad as people say it is though the beginning was good especially and the film looked great visually. It’s fun to ponder and interpret if nothing else I guess. But the lack of real intent and using open ended symbolism to produce a veneer of depth just pissed me right off.
>ending quarter or so.
What did you dislike about it?
>too open ended towards the end
Is it? Beau's tale ends with the movie.
Films are not hyperencoded clockwork puzzles that reveal le secret meanings you Sherlock stemgay autist. I know Lynch buck broke you redditors brains but stop treating them as such and you won't be so frustrated. Watch some real world cinema and you will understand what true parametric embedded structural filmic meaning that complements narrative theme and character is - hint, it's not parallel alternative stories meant to be oblivious to the average viewer
>what true parametric embedded structural filmic meaning that complements narrative theme and character
Can you give an example of this?
It would be much easier for the uninitiated to read or watch a few formal analysis of famous paintings or other visual art, film is the same but with more dimension and complexity using things like mis en scene, editing, color, perspective, blocking, framing, lighting etc to create layers of stylistic and narrative "meaning". Think of how heros vs villains are depicted as a basic example.
The text Film as Art an Introduction by the Bordwells is devoted to this and frequently taught in school, you can find it in the /film/ general literature mega here
https://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlA
https://mega.nz/folder/XCokCRpR#tlesB0J_7jhaEWZVJqVzlA/file/eaQwiZIb
I know youtube videos get a bad wrap here, often deservedly so but for film education there are some pretty instructive ones that are much more immediately appreciable than a text. Watch someone breakdown Akira kurosawas High &Low for instance, he's a perfect educational middle ground director when it comes to marrying technical form and narrative
If text isn’t accessible to you then a youtuber will just be “I’m happy because someone is talking to me.”
That's cold, man. Some people are just not in the mood for reading.
That’s the cold reality of youtubers.
lol I get but film is a temporal medium, much easier to teach someone about editing techniques with video. Plus they probably have not seen much of the source material in text
Youtube can contain textual content as well as video. The two in tandem can convey information much more concisely than a book on film can.
If you can’t read faster than a person talks then youtube videos will just be pretty images and sounds.
An image can convey the content of an image faster than a description of an image can.
Only to someone who doesn’t need to sound out words to read them. Slow reading == slow cognition
>for the questions people had that he didn’t know or have the answer
The interviewers are just too dumb to realize you wouldn't put a ton of non verbal stuff in there just to verbalize it at the drop of a hat. The few interviews I've seen he's clearly uncomfortable being asked to explain something where the value is intended to be finding out for yourself.
>I went over the scenes again, read lots of interpretations, and went to the director interviews
HAHAHAHA
I wish that he tried to save his brother back at the attic after he thought he killed his mom.
He was too afraid.
I would too after what he saw.
Was he doomed from the beginning? Was there nothing he could do to escape his fate?
yeah, that's why they have the scene right at the very beginning when he's born and gets dropped, lol
I think he just gets smacked by the doctor because he comes out not breathing.
Part 1 10/10
Part 2 8/10
Part 3 6.5/10
HELP ME
I wonder how long he's been up there.
At least 6 hours
Dang, the shit he must've been on was definitely fire.
Solid movie, but not without its issues. The middle is a pointless slog without any good comedic payoff, though some moron here likes to think the play scene is okay because it sets up the bad joke that ends Beau's fantasizing. The end is way too explicit for a movie that's three hours long. It is very funny at the start though, and has its moments,
>t. Angry he didn’t get the best comedy in a decade
>if you don't like it you just didn't get it
Lemme guess, you were filtered by the best comedian of the century, Amy Schumer?
Her bit about Alec Baldwin's insane wife was pretty funny and she is a legend for naming her own kid Genital Fissure and sacrificing his future well being for a bad pun.
>naming her own kid Genital Fissure
Seriously? How did the husband agree to this?
He is autistic and her uncle is a lifetime congressman.
Also, technically, it was Gene Attell Fischer because she is such an admirer of Dave Attell, but she eventually changed the middle name from Attell to David when people noticed and criticized.
>ha you must like random female comedian!
… this was utterly pathetic dude.
>the point
>your head
Other than further proving how stupid uoh are, what do you think you’re going to accomplish?
If you had an IQ high enough to decipher the plain English I'm using to write my posts you might have been able to figure that out yourself
>he didn’t understand Beau is afraid
>he thinks his iq is high
lol
>he thinks he can understand my posts
lol
But I am curious, what do you think is not to get in Beau? I want to hear what you think 😉
You’ve already been told. You didn’t understand. Why would I bother repeating myself?
>The end is way too explicit for a movie
Could you elaborate on that?
After keeping the mother stuff relatively subtle, in that it is not just stated explicitly, the final two "episodes" of the movie, Beau speaking with his mother and the "trial," are just Beau being a squirming worm while he gets yelled at by his mother and then by the lawyer.
The way the two bash Beau over the head with how bad of a son he is (and to what extent Beau at least believes his life was ruined by his mother) is what was implicit throughout the movie in every facet of Beau's character. Why spend two and a half hours building up that portrait only to switch gears in the last half hour so completely? It's not like they reveal anything we didn't know. If it was to show us how annoying it must be to Beau it succeeded, but with a couple exceptions it's not very funny. Did they need to spend half an hour doing it?
Because the movie is about anxiety becoming real. Why leave the guilt Beau feels as merely a theme and not an actualization like the rest of the anxieties presented? It’s the most thematically relevant anxiety actualization which is why it takes place at the end. Beau fearing that his entire life was a judgement trial orchestrated by his mother becomes very real and it ties into one of the first scenes of the movie with Beau at the therapist where the therapist writes down “Guilty” in his notepad.
That's all well and good as a rationale for the trial scene, and I agree with you, but the issue for me is more the drawn-out hitting us over the head with it thing, to the point of becoming tiresome, in two adjacent scenes that are extremely similar thematically, in a movie that's otherwise subtle. It feels overlong to the point of being tiresome.
It'd work as a denouement, and it does, but it's the entire length of the third act. Obviously I don't know what exactly was going on but I bet it was supposed to be a sort of confrontation/climax similar to that in Lord of the Rings or the Odyssey (if you can call the killing of the suitors a climax). But you can't draw out those parts as long in a psychological movie, because it gets tedious; only so much can happen.
The real question is why did Beau’s feet light up through the boat?
You mean the projector light reflection?
Not only does it not look like a reflection, it’s also not the same number of lights and it’s also a wood surface so it would illuminate way differently as a reflection (much more diffused).
Sure okay.
Good luck with whatever you think that is.
I hope its as deep as you imagine.
>Not only does it not look like a reflection
Then why does it look exactly like it is just light reflected in straight lines from the light source directly above it? Do you just not understand how curved surfaces and angles of incident work?
>it’s also a wood surface
No, its a surface coated in some kind of antifouling paint or epoxy to protect the wood which is often quite reflective.
Why would there be two beams and be completely different angles and color? It literally glows differently in motion as well and doesn’t flicker like the spotlight.
>Why would there be two beams and be completely different angles and color?
Because the surface is curved and the light reaches both spots from different angles which then reflects at at different angles with regard to the camera.
> It literally glows differently in motion as well and doesn’t flicker like the spotlight.
I would have to see it to understand the question.
That doesn’t make sense, it would glow in various other curvatures which are visible to the viewer. It doesn’t just randomly pick two surfaces and reflect on them. Also you need to actually watch the film instead of responding off pics.
I have seen the movie and nothing seemed out of place with the reflections, but I don't have it handy right this minute to pull up, so I can't judge what you said, I was only judging the pics you posted as proof because you were acting like there is something out of the ordinary your pics definitively proved when it just looks like light reflecting off of a curved surface and you had to move the goalposts to "actually it only really looks irregular in motion".
I didn’t say it looks irregular only in motion. It looks irregular now and your explanation doesn’t make sense. Again, there’s different colors to the lights, light doesn’t reflect off wood this way, and light doesn’t arbitrarily form two reflections with completely different angles. Try harder.
How have you never seen light reflect off curved shiny/wet surfaces before?
How can you continue to say stupid shit? It’s a different color and different angles than the light source. If your argument was that it’s wet that would mean the reflection would change over time as the wetness dries (and typically would be very quick). However the glow of the feet remains constant throughout the entire credits from the moment the boat flips.
Not to mention the glow moves with the bobbing of the boat and doesn’t remain constant across the surface as a normal reflection should
It is in water and the boat is bobbing up and down with the waves.
Yes and reflections would stay fixed over the bobbing boat. They would not bob with the boat, moron.
>Yes and reflections would stay fixed over the bobbing boat.
They would reflect from the surface, so if the surface moves, the reflection would also move along with it because reflection is a surface effect.
Reflections reflect a fixed light. If it was a reflection they would not change location in the viewer’s frame of reference, regardless of the bobbing of the boat. The fact that it moves with the bobbing means the light source is a glow from within the boat (as well as the additional clues like a totally different color, flicker rate, and incongruent angles/clarity/shape). Do better dummy.
Anon. Imagine if the boat surface flattened out. The two reflections on either side of the point would be one single reflection. If the now flat boat tilted, the reflection would tilt as well.
The light does not stay fixed in the viewer’s frame of reference as a reflection should. You are coping.
Reflections tilt according to the angle between the viewer and the light source. The light source is above the boat, it is the shaft of light from the projector.
Reflections can have their SHAPE distorted but their ORIENTATION within the viewer’s frame of reference does not change. You don’t know how light works and you have not seen the film.
No one is trolled bruh.
Correct. No one is trolled by your moronation. The flipped boat shows Beau’s feet glowing in white.
Nope. It’s two reflections of the light beam above the boat.
The reflections look nothing like feet either.
>their ORIENTATION within the viewer’s frame of reference does not change.
It does when its a curved surface instead of a flat uniform one.
I still don't have the movie handy and don't know what you are talking about with your you have to see it in motion argument, but the reflections look nothing like feet.
Nope. The coordinates of a reflection stay fixed regardless of the shape of a surface. The shape of the reflection merely distorts, but at no point does the reflection change location within the viewer’s frame of reference and parallax.
>the shape of a surface.
Nobody is claiming that the shape of the boat is changing, its due to the location changing with the waves in the water.
>at no point does the reflection change location
Reflection is a surface effect, so as the location of the surface changes with respect to the camera, so does the reflection.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAA COPE
DUDE RANDOM TWO REFLECTIONS
WHY?
ITS A CURVED SURFACE DUDE
UUUM FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF THE CURVES ON THE BOAT THO ITS JUST THAT LOCATION
WHY ISNT IT THE SAME COLOR? UUUM ITS LIKE WET OR ITS THE PAINT
WHY DOES IT BOB?UUUM CURVED SURFACE!
WHY DOES IT FLICKER DIFFERENTLY THAN THE SPOTLIGHT? UUUUM ITS LIKE WET N STUFF
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You could’ve just said yes. It’s kinda sad to think things like doorknobs not made of pig iron or rust are completely outside of your experience.
If your whole argument is that it is two different colored lights, so it must be feet because people have two feet, then why does only one color extend into the water?
>If it was a reflection they would not change location in the viewer’s frame of reference, regardless of the bobbing of the boat
If the boat's surface was change location in the viewer's frame of reference due to bobbing, the reflection would too because the reflection is a surface effect directly connected to the location of the surface.
Not the way reflections work. You are a moron. Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows. The reflection stays over a water surface. Same thing with any other surface.
>Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows.
the absolute state of discussions on this forsaken board
>Water doesn’t “carry away” reflections as it flows.
I never said it did, I said as the waves in the water changes the location and orientation of the surface of the boat, the light will reflect differently from the moving surface to a fixed camera.
You can easily just hold a ball bearing in your hand and bob it up and down to see that the reflection moves as the surface moves.
Is optics really that difficult to understand? Are reflections really that complicated?
Optics must be hard for you to understand if you seriously think that’s a reflection because reflections don’t look like that
You understand it’s reflections of the light beam, right? Not the light itself?
Its got a wet look because that is how epoxy works.
>there’s different colors to the lights,
Because of the different angles of reflection leading to different intensity of light that ultimately reaches the camera from each peak of the curve.
>light doesn’t reflect off wood this way
Its not reflecting off of wood, it is reflecting off of shiny paint and epoxy.
>light doesn’t arbitrarily form two reflections with completely different angles
Its not arbitrary, its based on the curve of the surface peaking and changing in different spots.
Everything you’ve said is wrong. Not the way reflections work
So you think that no matter what angle light hits a curved surface, it always looks the exact same intensity from every angle?
No, and you continue to not understand things. You not only don’t understand optics you don’t understand words.
Then why are you saying that light reflecting from completely different angles of a curved surface should be the exact same intensity/color?
Intensity=/=color. It should very much stay the same color especially on a dull greyish surface. There is no blue in these lights and they are unrelated to the spotlight.
White + glossy gray == bluish.
Wait, are you color blind?
There is no blue in the reflection. Learn to read/look at images blind moron.
Okay you’ve gone from saying there’s blue to there’s no blue.
Learn to read blind moron
You said the reflection is blueish. And now saying it isn’t.
No I did not you illiterate moron. I have always maintained the lights of the boat are a different color than the blue spotlight.
No wonder you idiots think it’s a reflection.
There isn’t a “spotlight,” it’s the projector, like in a theater, that was showing beau’s memories. The boat is reflecting the light beam from said projector.
Projectors are spotlights
The intensity of light definitely affects the color, just look at the sun directly, then look at it through a pinhole and you will see that its color profile is different when you reduce the intensity.
Are you trying to troll? Seems there’s always someone trying to troll in these threads, and it’s always “haha I’m wrong and stupid and I won’t shut the frick up” level
It’s really all ESLs have in life.
just a trick of the light
the boat is shaped such that its reflection of the stadium lights are unintuitive
One of the funniest movies of all time tbqh.
Serious question, are you israeli? And what parts did you think were so funny? I laughed when the girl drank paint, or when the other girl died after she had sex with Joaquin Phoenix, and the beginning was great, but what do you think are the funniest parts of the movie?
The funniest part was the tattooed guy burning himself.
Ow, its fricking hot.
>ridiculous situation + character takes it completely seriously = comedy
The question was what you thought was the most funny, not what makes it funny
I answered both.
you gave a general formula, not one or more specific scenes in the movie
Because it’s most of the movie.
Are you able to differentiate between different levels of comic effect? How some things are sorta funny, some a little funny, some pretty funny, some very funny, some extraordinarily funny, etc? Did you think the entire movie was consistently on the same level? Why are you being so difficult?
Because it’s funny watching you struggle so hard with the fact the movie was a comedy and if you didn’t get it, you won’t. There is no primer I can give you, no key that will unlock the hilarity. You are left out and always will be.
>go into a thread talking about a movie
>ask somebody what they thought the funniest part of the movie is
>they reply, "you just don't get it, and you never will."
lol?
Yep. You had to ask, so you don’t know. You’ll never know.
you're right, I don't know what you thought the funniest part of the movie was, that's why I asked. you're coming off like you don't want to explain it for fear of having it open to criticism or something, or like the movie is invulnerable to criticism because if somebody thought it wasn't funny, they just didn't get it, I don't know, but I you don't look as clever as you must think you do
Or I recognize you as one of the people who haunts these threads and is always begging to be let in on the joke.
anon, are you okay?
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I use https://4stats.io and I can easily make inferences from that
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What the frick are you talking about you dumbfrick? That's exactly what I said? There's 27 unique posters here that's 27 unique IPs are you pretending to be moronic? Or are you just a fat cancerous shit stain with nothing better to do with your life? Why don't you eat a bullet already instead of wasting people's time.
>27 unique posters
>27 unique IPs
That isn't what you originally said, dumbfrick, its why I pointed out you were a dumb frick.
You are the one wasting people's time with your irrelevant spam links.
>That isn't what you originally said, dumbfrick, its why I pointed out you were a dumb frick.
>You are the one wasting people's time with your irrelevant spam links.
When I saw him nominated during the golden globes I assumed it was for Napoleon at first. I forget this movie was a thing.
>Napoleon
Was it good?
Haven't seen it yet. But apparently the history autists were seething that it was inaccurate or whatever
They always do. I'm sure Phoenix performance is good, but I won't watch the movie if it doesn't focus entirely on him.
Stop humoring the idiot.
As a 37 year old unemployed man who lives with his parents I really dug it.
Idiots absolutely rekt. Glowing feet confirmed.
So his feet are longer than the boat is wide and their reflection extends well into the water in front of and behind the boat directly under the light source for reasons?
Shine a flashlight through a bedsheet and see for yourself how residual light can extend beyond the circumference of the flashlight
Anon. You’ve never seen a curved reflective surface before, have you.
If you shine a foot shaped light through a bed sheet, you will see a foot shaped light shining through the bedsheet.
Then why aren't there two different colored lights in the water to match the two different colored lights from each of his different colored light feet?
The righter reflection is more distributed around the curve of the front of the boat than the left, making it look like a different color to someone who’s partially colorblind
I understand from the perspective of it just being a reflection, I want him to explain from his perspective that two different feet are glowing two different colors of light and it spreads out like light from a bedsheet into the water, yet the water is just one reflection with one color reflected from the projector instead of two light for two feet.
At no point did I ever say the light in the water is from the glow of the feet in the boat. The water is clearly reflecting the spotlight. The light on the boat however is a glow from his feet, not a reflection of the spotlight.
You idiots need to learn to read.
I asked how their reflection extended into the water
and you brought up bed sheets and residual light extending beyond the source
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If the projector light is clearly reflecting off of the water, why wouldn't it also reflect off of the paint and epoxy on the boat's curved surface?
I was addressing your statement “So his feet are longer than the boat is wide” when I mentioned the bedsheet. I did not acknowledge your statement that the light was extending into the water because I never said that and that’s just a byproduct of your own idiotic understanding of things.
Okay so you’re saying his feet are spotlights magically glowing through wood now? And he’s just upside down however far below the surface?
Yes. That’s what I’ve been saying since my first post. And Beau’s feet literally become stuck to the boat as it flips. Those are the exact same positions of where he was standing.
And the fact the “lights” are completely inline with the diffusion pattern of the reflected light beam in the water means…
> completely inline
This is a cope because they are not.
No, you specifically said beyond the circumference and if its light diffusing like through bed-sheets why would they reflect in lines that match the angle of incident with the projector light rather than extending in every direction like a novel light source such as a flashlight would?
What are you talking about? The lights of the feet don’t match the right angles of a reflection and yes this includes even for a curved surface. They are not aligning to the parallax of the light source in any way. The diffuse of light through a bedsheet is addressing your comment about how the feet glows seem to stretch out a bit further to the edge of the boat. Learn to read moron.
Perfect thanks for proving my point about how reflections don’t suddenly split into two nor do they pick random spots on the side at odd angles.
See that point at the front? It’s the highest point above the water in the gif you keep posting. It’s a lot easier to see in the movie.
Then how do you explain that there are clearly multiple different reflections with varying color?
You’re colorblind
Then why are you the one that can't see the subtle difference between the two different shades?
You’ve got it backwards, you think different shades equal different colors, because that’s all you can see.
Backwards? So as opposed to thinking that different colors equals different shades of color?
You know I just feel sorry for you, right? That your life is so empty that “pretending” to be moronic is the only way you get attention?
Feel free to have the last word and “no (you)”
I am not pretending anything the only way to make "different shades equal different colors" backwards is with "different colors equal different shades".
I accept your concession.
You literally just need to use photoshop's color selection tool to see there are different colors in the reflected light and you are colorblind.
Now you’re just going to “no u” everything huh.
I was just happy seeing Parker Posey’s breasts. More like Perky Posey.
Shame she didn't have a bigger role.
Dude the non waxed wood would totally reflect two random spotlights with acute shapes from one spotlight for no reason! Why? It’s like wet and curved!
Dude the different colored light from different glowing feet would totally just end up as one color of light and one reflection in the water and I was totally there and kept reminding him to wax the wood, but he just forgot!
The reason is the point where hull starts to form the bow, in the right side.
>Half the thread is a sincere argument with a guy that claims Beau's feet are glowing through the hull of the boat
Hahahahaha morons really thought Beau’s glowing feet were spotlight reflections. Let that sink in.
Nobody except you sees feet in that image.
No one is trolled bruh. At most we’re treating your failure of special awareness as a problem to be solved.
>no one is trolled by proper interpretations bro. The laws of physics and optics are irrelevant to my headcanon that these are just reflections
gee I wonder why the moronic troll will only post a micro gif made for ants without even positing why his dumb theory would be in the film to begin with
now stfu and the rest of you stop feeding him
Thanks for the webm dude. This clearly shows how this is a glow of the feet that has nothing to do with the spotlight.
Why would the spotlight reflect on the water, but not on the boat's shiny surface?
Because it’s not a shiny surface, it’s wood.
I always thought it was the glow of his hands
It could be his hands too but I think it was his feet because the glows have a feet shape and also that’s where Beau’s feet got trapped.
Its not just wood, it treated for marine use, its paint and epoxy you see, not the wood, and there are clearly other parts and earlier scenes where you can tell it is shiny.
strictly speaking did he win by getting you to make this webm?
He “won” because two people are convinced he’s incurably moronic.
I just enjoy watching creativity in action and watching people desperately pull shit from their ass to justify previous nonsense.
Any word on what Eddington is going to be about? We know it's some sort of ghost town film about Covid-19 but that's all from what I can gather. Hopefully it's not too on the nose with the references
Notice how there’s various glows happening under the boat that have nothing to do with the spotlight and eventually they materialize into Beau’s feet. All independent of the spotlight.
If anything, with the somewhat erratic nature of the bobbing, the closest thing I could see it being is him kicking the boat trying to flip it back over and that action deforming the shape of the boat, altering the reflection momentarily.
There’s no reason reflectivity of a material surface changes. Warping or not there are areas that clearly stop shining light even though they have not significantly warped. Not to mention wood doesn’t warp that way.
So when I reflect the sun off my watch/phone face, there should be a second sun in my hand and it should be visible from all directions?
>visible from all directions
Not the way reflections work and I have no idea what your analogy is trying to say. You sound like you can’t read or think.
You think because the light beam isn’t being constantly reflected in
that it’s beau’s feet
is this two chatbots arguing with each other about something irrelevant to the movie?
No I brought up something relevant to the movie (glowing feet) and the moronic chuds started to troll saying they’re reflections. There’s two or three regards (including you).
Another moronic thread about this mid movie maxed out by people not talking about the movie
Glowing feet confirmed. Literally a centre point of the final frame of the film
Why does the projector light only reflect in the water but the feet only reflect in the boat?
Because water is reflective while a wooden boat doesn’t reflect things as well. Also I can tell you’re moronic because you used the word “reflect” when it’s a “diffusion” of light in the case of the glowing feet.
It was shown to reflect light just fine in previous scenes and you aren't actually seeing any wood, you are looking at shiny paint and epoxy.
>dude the boat will randomly start glowing because epoxy
lmao @ rusanglogermcuck IQ
Its not random, though, its related to the projector light's angle, the moving surface of the boat, and the shifting relation to the camera.
It’s completely random and you should invest in a ruler to help you figure out what alignment actually looks like
It is kind of random insofar as the bobbing motion of the boat is completely random, but the light tracks with the surface, the reflection is not random.
No it’s random with respect to all environmental factors and is clearly a separate light source within the boat shining outwards. Try better Genghis.
No, if that were the case it wouldn't be in roughly the same spot, it would move all along the boat and the angle would not track just like light across a curved surface from an overhead light source.
Anyway you simply aren't honest, you said no more (You)s like 10 (You)s ago, so you are obviously just trying to troll despite the fact nobody is buying it.
Nothing about your explanations track with observations. Must be your cognitive dissonance from wishing you were European but forever being an Asian gypsy affecting your perceptions again. Must be tough.
Not as rough as how you feel when you try to make your points without dishonesty and logical fallacy.
Nothing dishonest or fallacious about it. Everything I’ve said is 100% true. I’m so sorry you had to find out this way Genghis.
>Nothing fallacious, sorry [insert fallacy].
Thank you for confirming you are most upset about being an Asian. As I’ve mentioned many times before, many of the cognitive issues rusanglogermcucks face is due to this core cognitive dissonance of their identity of wishing to be European but forever being Asian gypsies. You’ve helped further solidify how central this dissonance is to your identity.
>[insert fallacy]. [insert fallacy]. [insert fallacy]. [insert fallacy.
>Im definitely European even though my ancestors come from Mongolia and arrived in Europe in the ADs, please let me into the Euro club!
No. Sorry Hansdeep Nigelwong.
>[insert fallacy]. [insert fallacy].
>[insert fallacy].
>insert asian seething
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So why is it in lines like you would get from overhead reflection instead of circles like you would get with a light source diffusing through material?
>why is it in lines
Because it’s his two feet
>instead of a circle like diffusion
Diffusion doesn’t necessarily happen in a circle, it depends on the light source. If it’s a source of light shaped like feet and the feet are not touching the surface all across the sole, then you’d get a pattern where the point where the feet are touching is the brightest and the parts lifted off from the surface would look more “diffuse” which is exactly what we see with the two lines. Essentially we are seeing Beau’s heels planted against the boat with his toes slightly above the surface.
Do you have some kind of weird chicken feet that you associate feet with straight narrow lines.
>If it’s a source of light shaped like feet and the feet are not touching the surface all across the sole, then you’d get a pattern where the point where the feet are touching is the brightest and the parts lifted off from the surface would look more “diffuse”
Pics? Light travels radially, not the way you describe.
Diffusion happens due to scattering. The closer a light source to a surface, the less scattering occurs. The angle of the light source against the surface will also dictate how the light will diffuse through it. Just saying “light spreads radially” doesn’t mean you’re going to end up with perfect circles, there are many scattering variables.
>doesn’t mean you’re going to end up with perfect circles
It does mean the light would be more circular than linear which isn't the case.
No, the lights’s shape is predominantly taking the shape of the light source (ie feet). It then scatters through material accordingly.
It doesn't scatter, it is almost entirely linear and extends into the water in a way that matches the overhead light source.
It neither extends into the water nor does it match the correct parallax or even the number of proposed light sources (1 vs 2).
There is definitely light in the water right in front of the boat in a similar line as the reflections.
The light on the water is indeed a proper reflection of the spotlight but it is incongruent to the light on the boat, even taking the curvature of the boat into consideration. We can also use other hints such as differing color and differing light intensity and flickering.
>incongruent
How so when you can draw straight lines through them that go straight through the light in the water to the camera?
So reflections are yet another thing third worlders will never understand.
rusanglogermcucks confirmed for moronic and unable to differentiate between reflections and glowing feet
lmao, of course it’s “everyone is Asian except Bulgaria” dude
What? There are plenty of Europeans outside of Bulgarians. Rusanglogermcucks are simply not a part of it. Please learn to keep up, Hansdeep Nigelwong.
It's good but only great if you're a self important israelite that sincerely believes himself a "chosen person" above others
My homie what are you doing
He is not sincere
He is bad faith
You will not argue him into submission
You will not extract a concession
We all recognize he is moronic
This thread will max and we are all dumber for having read it
What DID Ari Aster mean by making Beau’s feet glow at the end?
You think solving that will help you with your own glowing foot problem?
>Beau tries to accept his death with dignity and closes his eyes
>The boat just tips over instead of blowing up and you can hear him slowly drown to death over the credits