>Because that's what this is all about, Morty.
> That's my one-armed man! I'm not driven by avenging my dead family, Morty! That was fake. I-I-I'm driven by finding that McNugget sauce.
McDonalds' promotion aside, how does Rick and Morty square this episode with Rick's current status and motivation? The dead family was stated to be fake twice and Rick was a deranged sociopath. Did they really have no other ideas than to recycle what was once part of an iconic joke into the whole series' arc?
I liked the sauce the one time I had it, Teriyaki Sweet + Sour isn't bad. Never got another chance thanks to people going insane from this show.
>Did they really have no other ideas than to recycle what was once part of an iconic joke into the whole series' arc?
The answer is no, no they didn't. And they did this multiple times, because everyone Dan brought on sucked.
Jeff Loveness is cool, I liked Season 4. Albro Lundy's also written some solid episodes, and I liked Siobhan Thompson's "breakup" episode. Bringing Rob Schrab along was a genius move. I'm enjoying the new shit overall.
>Jeff Loveness is cool
Hi, Jeff.
He was good tho. But bawd Dragons was weak.
Imagine having an opinion this shit. Everything you just said should disqualify you as a person.
Season 5 is my favorite
But that's literally the worst one. It has so many series lows.
I'm sorry you're such a pisspig. Refer to
post about how you like eating shit.
Ryan Ridley leaving the writers room killed the show
This. I don't have as much faith in Harmon as I did with Ridley. He probably understood the show's balance of comedy and drama the best. Odds are he would've valued sincerity lot more, too. We wouldn't be stretching out the show beyond ten seasons that way.
He the one that won the oscar?
Oscar?
I’m pretty sure his emotions were real, he just faked the formula
Dude, the entire backstory was fake back in Season 3.
Even back then, I didn't buy that it was fake, but Rick's a pathological liar and hated showing any form of weakness or sentimentality. Of course he'd try to play it off as a joke. It's really not unbelievable at all that he lied about it being something he made up.
The problem is that he offers it being fake as an explanation for how he was able to deceive the interrogator.
even worse, it being fake is apparently baked into how the Federation's technology worked. From the dialogue in the scene they both seem to agree that you can't alter details in a memory.
>"That was a memory. You can't alter a memory."
>"Yeah, but you CAN alter the details of a completely fabricated origin story."
I personally suspect that the writers have some kind of extra trick up their sleeve, the memory really was fake, and we're currently in the midst of a multi-season fakeout.
I would love that actually. This show doesn't like to be straightforward with things, so I think it'd be hilarious to pull an even bigger twist for anyone invested in the "dead family plot" for this long.
Rick too smart for dumb federation, simple as.
The best lies have some truth baked in. Rick didn't immediately solve portal travel after losing his family, but the events that led to him discovering it were true all along.
MY problem with making this his backstory is that I don't see how the show can drag out The Big Story for that much longer if we're already dealing with Rick Prime now. How do you even top an antagonist like that?
>How do you even top an antagonist like that?
Realistically, I think the best course of action would be to go for smaller stories. Will it disappoint some people? Sure - you can't please everyone - but the alternative is constantly having to one-up yourself, getting more and more ludicrous and convoluted. And the show's already that inherently, so it would take very little time for it to get out of hand. Blizzard of all companies finally realized this with World of Warcraft - absolutely nobody gave a shit about all the cosmic nonsense in Shadowlands (or anything in that expac, actually), so they dialed it way the hell back for Dragonflight.
Idk anon, they've really been hyping up Rick Prime since S5. Like, more consistently than Evil Morty back when he was still a mystery. I feel like this plot thread could realistically be wrapped up by Season 10, with any future seasons focusing even more on an adventure-of-the-week format and any following plot threads being less personal to the main theme of Rick and Morty's partnership. Stuff like Birdperson's life or whatever Summer's doing.
>Shadowlands
Unironically the best storyline the game has ever hard, completely ruined by the playerbase being too moronic to grasp the concept of unreliable narrators.
And Warcraft has been utter diarrhea slop since day zero.
he said completely fabricated. You can't just add 1 tiny false detail to a memory and claim none of it is a memory.
>I don't see how the show can drag out The Big Story for that much longer if we're already dealing with Rick Prime now. How do you even top an antagonist like that?
Sadly, some TV shows in the past have indeed dragged out story lines for way too long in order to keep the show going. Some times it works, but 9.5 times out of 10 it doesn't.
I'm going to suggest an explanation that generally always works. The fact is the writers aren't thinking about things as hard as we are. They just make shit up, contrivances, to justify an ends they want to meet. The agent saying "you can't fabricate a memory" (obviously true) being immediately refuted by "you can't alter the details..." (obviously contradictory) wasn't analyzed it was just said because the writers don't even understand the meaning of their own words.
I'm obviously not a fricking brain scientist but I'm going to suggest an explanation for the situation. The Shoney's is the part of Rick's brain that he has control over, lucid dreaming as it were. This is why he can manifest a butt in the coffee. I'm going to assume that the part of the brain that dreams is entirely separate from the part of the brain that stores memories. Hence why "We never left the Shoney's" was what caused such a panic. Rick didn't allow the bug into his real memory he manifested it all in the Shoney's. The thing is, I'm willing to bet that the projection was in fact also his real memories.
It would make sense that Rick had planned this ahead of time because he obviously knew what going to prison would be like. He would have set all this up and allowed himself to be taken right to the edge of his brain getting melted because that's what it would've taken to infiltrate the government that deep. SEAL Team Ricks were unexpected but presumably it would have gone down the same way.
>Basically boils down to yet another 4-D chess move by Rick.
If this really was the case, I don't blame anyone for hating the retcon then.
It's because these hacks don't understand the concept of sincerity and now it's too fricking late to save Rick & Morty from the apathetic, nihilistic, buttholeian hole it crawled into.
I hate you Dan Harmon
https://www.avclub.com/dan-harmon-rick-and-morty-movie-ending-1850919155
I'm not too happy about Rick and Morty working its way into a sliding timeline, but Harmon's loose vision for a series ending actually sounds great. Which is why it sucks that it'll never happen since he gave it away so casually. They're gonna have to come up with something new 15 years from now
What was the ending?
Morty turns fifteen, gets a gf, and stops being Rick's sidekick
zombie simpsons v2. hell, r7m is zombie already.
It's pathetic really. Even South Park manages to stay more relevant.
South Park has been zombified since 2016 at least if not earlier.
>sincerity
>Rick and Morty
My point exactly. Every story needs some level of sincerity. But R&M kept saying "Nothing matters, nothing matters, we're all gonna die, frick you."
Remember Justin's leaked texts?
>Would you get a tattoo of Morty licking your nipple for me? If you won't, who will?
>Run away and become a sex slave you stupid homosexual b***h
That was some crazy stuff, right?
holy twitgay
grass tastes bad
>Did they really have no other ideas than to recycle what was once part of an iconic joke into the whole series' arc?
Nope. Honestly the entire problem with nu-R&M is that they let fans join the writing team and as anyone would expect those fans started circlejerking
>iconic
For the series? Yes. I will always remember morons lining up and screeching for their special sauce.
People who want Rick and Morty to have some deepest lore storyline never understood the series in the first place
They retconned it. It's a good thing, in a way, because it unambiguously tells you not to waste your time looking for lore threads or foreshadowing or consistency. Why does Rick have pictures of Morty as a baby? Doesn't fricking matter, it'll never come up again or if it does they'll change it on the fly.
Remember when this show could get you invested without taking itself too seriously with drama bullshit?
God, I really do. I miss what the show was and mourn what it became.
Don’t even trip, dawg.
Better times
I do, and I miss Roiland writing Rick's dialog, b***h.
It doesn't. It was one of the biggest problems in the show. Roiland and Harmon always had differing views on how to make episodes and would constantly tear down what they had built up just to get an episode out.
thinking this through for what feels like the first time, according to current canon, our main Rick (who isn't really Rick c137) never had a Morty because his Beth died in childhood and the Rick who walked out on Morty c137's mother is Rick Prime? Do his motivations make sense then? Why does the Rick we're following have attachment to grandchildren he never had and why did he never hop to a universe where his wife and daughter were still alive?
>Why does the Rick we're following have attachment to grandchildren he never had
Because they're his grandchildren.
>and why did he never hop to a universe where his wife and daughter were still alive?
Because they wouldn't be his wife and daughter.
It's not that complicated, bro.
Isn’t that a contradiction though? Why are the grandkids he never had still his grandkids but another version of his dead wife and daughter aren’t still his wife and daughter? Seems equally real/ unreal to me.
His actual wife and daughter were wiped before his very eyes. His (alt universe) grandchildren represent a future he was robbed of that he can only ever dream of. I don't know if the writers think about character motivations this deeply, but to Rick, Morty and Summer complete him. He's likely grown attached to them because he wants to live in his fantasy world where he has an adult daughter and extended family.
Come to think of it, what happened to the Beth we’re following and Beth c137’s moms?
>to the Beth we’re following and Beth c137’s moms?
I'd like to assume they died naturally, given both Beth's never brought her around on Christmas, and she rarely ever mentions them in both realties, assuming it might be a sore spot for her.
>Why does the Rick we're following have attachment to grandchildren he never had and why did he never hop to a universe where his wife and daughter were still alive?
I've heard many theories that the universes where Diane and Beth are alive exist outside the CFC. In a way, that does make sense when you consider that in order for them to be alive, Rick would have never discovered portal travel which was what led to their deaths.
>Rick would have never discovered portal travel which was what led to their deaths.
Is that certain? Yes, the memory / imagined scene of our Rick showed that happening to him but Rick Prime/ Rick c137's Beth is still alive and there was no mention of what happened to her mother, just that her Rick left her mom.
For all we know, the writers might try to find an explanation for that. They could either chalk it up to Rick Prime being the sole exception because of how he's the one behind the deaths of Rick's family across the multiverse but his own or it will be revealed that he did in fact kill his Diane with Beth being left alive for unknown reasons.
>just that her Rick left her mom.
NTA but that's the point. Prime only killed our Rick's family BECAUSE he didn't jump at the chance to join the portaling lifestyle. You don't need to make enemies of the Ricks that come on board willingly; you just do it to the ones that have roots that need cut.
To my knowledge, the intent of the writers was as follows
>Have a backstory written
>keep hinting at it
>Never actually reveal it because it's not the point of the show.
>Have fun mocking the audience who will laser focus on every hint you give, red herring or not.
It was the new writers who were super interested in the canon/continuity who came in and insisted it be made true.
This was always the actual backstory but they said "haha, it might be a lie".
Rick's backstory was a perfect way for them to frick with the audience because at that point it genuinely didn't matter outside of the audiences curiosity and had no actual bearing on the story.
Sweet and Spicy jam is pretty good
Harmon gets his rocks off to teasing overarching plots and then not delivering. Season 10 is gonna have half an episode about some thing earlier and all the rest of it are just going to be movie parodies. The show will never be anything more.
>Season 7 finally airs on Sunday
>the episode plays out normally with the new VAs
>at the end, Rick says to Morty
>"M-Morty! I got one more thing to tell you before the episode ends!"
>"W-w-what is it Rick?"
>"I should tell you who our new voice actors are. It's......
>ITS STILL JUSTIN ROILAND!!!!
>the voices go back to normal
>"HE NEVER GOT REPLACED! HE'S STILL AROUND BAYBEE! THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS WERE ALL FAKE! AND THE moronS WATCHING ALL FELL FOR IT!! WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB FOREVER!!!"
"woah Rick, T-that's really awesome! I'm glad I have my voice back!"
>HAHA YOU FRICKING IDIOTS! ALL OF YOU MORONS! YOU'LL NEVER GET RID OF HIM! A MILLION SEASONS OF JUSTIN ROILAND! JUSTIN FOREVER!!!
Your reaction?
I'd watch it. And even though I was all 'hurr this fricking sucks I hate it why don't they stop forcing [character]' I'd still tune in and watch to judge it until I found my breaking point which would probably be Beth, space or otherwise, doing something needlessly stupid and getting too much screentime.
I'd kneel
I've got a doodoo in my Butt
Who the frick is Kyle?
Kyle deez nuts
Mr. PBH sounds a slight bit deeper but still pretty good. Actually felt immersed and forgot about Justin's absence for a moment.
I'm fine with the clip overall, but Mr. PBH is definitely the worst of the voices that's been revealed so far (Morty's the best). Whenver he's talking it's basically unignorable for me that he's not Justin. Maybe it's just worse in this clip because PBH is in an altered state, and when he recovers later in the episode he'll sound more like himself again.