>I don't get why she exists.
This is how i feel about pretty much every IDW Sonic OC besides Starline, who is dead. None of these characters have agency or goals they are actually allowed to work towards. Belle is sad about a thing that will never change. Whisper can't get over her PTSD no matter how many times it comes up. Tangle doesn't really have anything going on but worrying about her not-girlfriend having PTSD. Surge and Kit had their chance and blew it, so they are now lesser designated rivals in a series bloated with designated rivals. Everyone else like israeliteel and Lanolin just don't matter at all.
>Jewel was created to "be Tangle's friend" and run a museum to facilitate some stories. >Is immediately shunted into "leading the resistance" once they realize they wrote Amy into a corner. >Is never actually utilized in this capacity for stories, jokes, or anything. Just kind of awkwardly stands around when "the resistance" needs a figurehead.
Ken had more respect for his OCs than Ian and Evan. This shit's sad, man.
Ken didn't actually have that much passion. It was mostly plagiarism and clout chasing. He also let stuff fall by the wayside often. I just think it's sad a dude like him, who was mostly on autopilot, gave more of a shit about his characters. The bar is really fricking low here.
This is the main problem with IDW being canon. They can’t actually make any status quo changes to any characters so the comic is just set in this perpetual limbo. It’s literally just a bunch of filler stories.
>I don't get why she exists.
This is how i feel about pretty much every IDW Sonic OC besides Starline, who is dead. None of these characters have agency or goals they are actually allowed to work towards. Belle is sad about a thing that will never change. Whisper can't get over her PTSD no matter how many times it comes up. Tangle doesn't really have anything going on but worrying about her not-girlfriend having PTSD. Surge and Kit had their chance and blew it, so they are now lesser designated rivals in a series bloated with designated rivals. Everyone else like israeliteel and Lanolin just don't matter at all.
This is how I feel about Sonic, IDWnic, and Starline.
Do you remember that fan game with the all-female cast? That's Sonic The Hedgehog™ if the franchise didn't make fanatics when console audiences were captive youths. >who is dead
I don't get why Starline died. He seemed to be the outlet for a passionate writer that made even the... whatever they're called... red alien guy... have some character.
Starline's death was so sudden and meaningless, if I was bothered I'd check to see if the writing credits changed at that point to explain throwing him away like that.
The writers don't even seem to like writing the other characters, even the main cast.
>Q:Hello, Mr Flynn...Did you plan the death of Starline from the very beginning...or was it something you came to after some time after?
Ian: It wasn't the original idea from the get-go but it was the natural progression of things. As we explored Starline's character, as things kind of fell into place, it's like well this is inevitably ending in a train wreck. The light at the end of the tunnel is going WOOP WOOP.
Kyle: Do you remember the specific time or anything around when you were thinking that?
Ian: The minute Starline started thinking he could do better than Eggman. When he went from the transition of "Eggman can do no wrong" to "I can do Eggman better", that sealed his fate. The minute he thought he could step to the man and out do him, the shinigami was writing his name down very slowly in the Death Note just like "Oh, this is going to be fun."
Yeah, because no one has EVER upstaged Eggman before. Ian is such a fricking idiot, holy shit. He's so obsessed with Eggman being this unstoppable war criminal that he's willing to throw away anything that threatens it.
>Q:So now that we know Surge and Kit's origins, could you tell was what stuff about it got changed by Sega?
Ian: The original pitch was that they were full on synthetic beings, not just robots but androids of such a high caliber that they were basically living beings. Reploids, more or less. Something on the cusp between synthetic and organic. Sega was like "we don't want Starline to be that advanced in his tech" so they proposed the endoskeleton cyborg angle.
Kyle: Which is darker and more horrifying.
Ian: Yeah and then they walked back saying they didn't want us to actually depict that or explain it too clearly because it was too dark, BUT YOU TOLD US TO DO IT! [Laughter]
Kyle: I think once they realized what they asked they're like "Uhhhh, maybe not. Nevermind. Can you write around that?"
Metal Sonic, Heavy King, Chaos, Solaris, Dark Gaia, fricking ZAVOK. Past the Genesis era, 9 times out of 10 Eggman is playing second fiddle to the REAL bad guy of a given game. He's not some untouchable terrorist, he's a petulant manchild with delusions of grandeur that anyone can knock over if they have the audacity.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
All those characters either died or were immediately defeated, just like Starline. Meanwhile Eggman lives on as the major villain of the series. Upstaging Eggman has always been a death sentence.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>All those characters either died
Of those I listed, the only ones that died were Solaris and Chaos. Metal is still kicking (somehow), Heavy's stuck in the Classic dimension, Dark Gaia just went back to sleep, and Zavok never fricking left. It's absolutely not the death sentence Ian makes it out to be, and they sure as HELL don't fall from Eggman's doing. >or were immediately defeated
Are you implying Eggman doesn't get his ass kicked as well? >Meanwhile Eggman lives on as the major villain of the series
No shit Sherlock, that's not the fricking point.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Zavok never fricking left
He never took the spotlight again either. His next game appearance was him being a toady for Eggman in TSR and an illusion in Forces. >Are you implying Eggman doesn't get his ass kicked as well?
I'm saying he's never upstaged by other villains for any length of time beyond the immediate game and then they're shuffled to the back if they manage to survive. Someone new hogs the attention, gets defeated, and then rarely matter again. No one is ever going to take Eggman's spot. >No shit Sherlock, that's not the fricking point.
Seems like it to me. You're painting Starline;s loss as if Ian thinks no one can take the spotlight from Eggman when that's just false. He had Neo Metal, the Deadly Six, and Starline do that exact thing, and how did it go? They shined for a moment but then was defeated to make way for him again. It's not as controversial as you're trying to make it look. He's just put it in words.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No one is ever going to take Eggman's spot.
That means diddly squat when this happens every other game. For someone touted as the main bad guy, he has a horrible track record when it comes to maintaining that title from the latest MOTW. >They shined for a moment but then was defeated to make way for him again
Defeated, not outright KILLED. There was zero reason to kill Starline off except to jerk off Eggman, which never fricking happens in the actual games. The fact that Eggman was the one to take care of Starline only highlights how OOC the whole thing is.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That means diddly squat when this happens every other game.
It does because whoever it is doing it does not last long. The fact you use MOTW as a title for them just proves that point. >Defeated, not outright KILLED.
You already gave examples where they were. >The fact that Eggman was the one to take care of Starline only highlights how OOC the whole thing is.
Now we get to the actual issue. You think Eggman should never be able to beat someone, otherwise it's jerking him off. I don't know why you have a hateboner for Eggman but that's just silly. Do you think any character beating someone is just to jerk them off too?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You think Eggman should never be able to beat someone, otherwise it's jerking him off
When it's shit like pic related, its practically deepthroating him. He has literally never done something even remotely close to that.
> I don't know why you have a hateboner for Eggman but that's just silly.
I just want these GAME characters to act like they do in the GAMES, is that really too much to ask for? I'm not here for Ian's hypercompetent Archie Eggman, or Flynn's preachy Freedom Figher Sonic. I just want an actual half decent Sonic adaptation for crying out loud.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Isn't it weird how Eggman can only be this level of dangerous when dealing with the IDW OCs?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Saw someone bring it up that its because they're dealing with him for the first time and he pulls all these menecing looks because of what they've heard about him. For Sonic and the rest of the game gang, they've known him for years.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That doesn't really hold up when you've seen everything else these characters do prior to fighting Eggman.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's part of my issue with it. It's intensely jarring seeing Eggman flipflop in personality like a shizo depending entirely on whether or not he's dealing with a game character. His current personality isn't consistent, nor is it even interesting. Eggman ends up losing core aspects of his character for the sake of meme pages made solely to be reposted on the internet for updoots.
Saw someone bring it up that its because they're dealing with him for the first time and he pulls all these menecing looks because of what they've heard about him. For Sonic and the rest of the game gang, they've known him for years.
Would be great if the comic made that clear instead of that being pure headcannon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Something weird about Sonic being able to crush a gun just by pushing on it with his foot.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When it's shit like pic related, its practically deepthroating him. He has literally never done something even remotely close to that.
He outran Sonic all the time and is strong physically. He dodged Starline and then threw him into the ground. You're being silly. >I just want these GAME characters to act like they do in the GAMES, is that really too much to ask for? I'm not here for Ian's hypercompetent Archie Eggman
Kek, this right here is why I rarely take you guys seriously. I've seen several people here ranting because Ian doesn't write Eggman competent enough to make foolproof plans. Now you say he's hypercompetent. It's hilarious.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He outran Sonic all the time
Yes, as a joke. That is mostly in Classic Sonic, where it's made clear its not meant to be taken seriously. >and is strong physically.
That means nothing when he's inherently a coward. You bring up obscure game mechanics from a spinoff game to justify your logic, where I can just bring up the MULTIPLE times Eggman canonically gets punked out by literal preschoolers like a PPG villain. He is nothing without his toys, that's the point.
> I've seen several people here ranting because Ian doesn't write Eggman competent enough to make foolproof plans. Now you say he's hypercompetent
That's not the contradiction you think it is. Eggman isn't competent in the grand scheme of things, but he DOES have the foresight to at the very least have backup plans in case things go south. It's just that those ALSO tend to blow up in his face, but the effort is still there. The Metal Virus sucked because he didn't even bother with that, he just wanted anarchy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yes, as a joke.
That's your interpretation. >You bring up obscure game mechanics
People do that all the time to argue things here. I don't see why this should be any different. It's also shown in Lost World, but I'm sure you'll discount that too. >I can just bring up the MULTIPLE times Eggman canonically gets punked out by literal preschoolers like a PPG villain.
And I can bring up the multiple times he's a large enough threat to require multiple heroes working together to take him down. It's not all one or the other. He used his toys to take down Starline and then slammed him into the ground. They didn't have a martial arts battle. Starline isn't any more a combatant than Eggman and needs to rely on his toys as well. Eggman just has the size difference on him. >The Metal Virus sucked because he didn't even bother with that, he just wanted anarchy.
Ah, this old argument. He had a backup plan and Sonic destroyed it. Then Starline ruined it all by getting the Zeti involved. You guys always leave that out for convenience.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>That's your interpretation.
And "Eggman is totally faster than Sonic!!!" isn't? Quit being obtuse, anon. >I don't see why this should be any different.
Never said it was, only that there's way more canon examples where he crumbles the moment he's confronted. >It's also shown in Lost World, but I'm sure you'll discount that too.
It's funny you bring that game up, it's actually the perfect example of how OOC IDW is. IDW Eggman would immediately try to destroy the planet with his machine. >Starline isn't any more a combatant than Eggman and needs to rely on his toys as well.
And Starline being defeated WITH his tools is really fricking dumb. This is the same dude that gave Sonic and Silver combined a run for their money while he had the Topaz. >Eggman just has the size difference on him.
He has an even greater size difference with Cream. >He had a backup plan and Sonic destroyed it.
He was pressed by Starline to come up with a backup, while he dragged his feet the whole time. Absolutely none of that is his usual behavior.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And "Eggman is totally faster than Sonic!!!" isn't?
No because it factually happened. We all saw it. >Never said it was
You did by saying it doesn't count because you say so. It happened so it's just as valid. To say otherwise is to say only what you decide count does. >It's funny you bring that game up, it's actually the perfect example of how OOC IDW is. IDW Eggman would immediately try to destroy the planet with his machine.
Except no because that wouldn't serve his plans. The zombots were to give him a tireless, obedient, immortal workforce/army and expand from there. His goal wasn't to just "destroy the world". >And Starline being defeated WITH his tools is really fricking dumb.
Except he didn't have his tools. He lost the warp topaz, he lost his tricore, and his hypnoglove was rendered useless. All he had left was his boot spike. >This is the same dude that gave Sonic and Silver combined a run for their money while he had the Topaz.
You're leaving out the inconvenient info that he had Metal Sonic to do most of the fighting and the only reason Sonic had to let him go was because Silver was running into a trap bomb. And once again, he doesn't have the warp topaz anymore. >He has an even greater size difference with Cream.
And if he got a hold on her, it would hurt even more when he slammed her into the ground. >He was pressed by Starline to come up with a backup
Wrong, Eggman had already planned using an override signal to get back control, and was even considering another backup with the warp topaz. All Starline did was whine about him not doing it quick enough for his preference. And look where that got him, lost his position and favor with Eggman. Starline's hubris has been thinking he's the smartest guy in the room when he makes the same mistakes he looks down on other people for.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No because it factually happened. We all saw it.
And taking it seriously despite canon loterallt disproving it is fricking moronic. >You did by saying it doesn't count because you say so
I said it was a weak argument because you're pulling shit from spinoffs, not that it didn't count entirely. You can read the OG post, you're just arguing for the sake of it now. >The zombots were to give him a tireless, obedient, immortal workforce/army and expand from there.
Yet that was never an issue for him before. Badniks provided the exact same function with zero room of a chance of infecting himself or losing control. Speaking of which, the zombots were nowhere close to obedient from the start, and Eggman didn't really care to make them obedient. >And if he got a hold on her, it would hurt even more when he slammed her into the ground.
Except he DIDN'T do that, he got his ass kicked. That's the point. >Eggman had already planned using an override signal to get back control, and was even considering another backup with the warp topaz
He literally told Starline, to his face, that he didn't have a plan prior to making the virus. He made it for the sake of spreading chaos, any attempts to control it was only done after Starline called him out.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And taking it seriously despite canon loterallt disproving it is fricking moronic.
Again, that's your interpretation, he's been speedy in multiple instances even in Modern even. >Yet that was never an issue for him before. Badniks provided the exact same function with zero room of a chance of infecting himself or losing control.
They're also weak and unable to overcome the vast majority of the cast that regularly beats him. Meanwhile his zombots were able to not only take down his greatest foes but turn them to his side. It's obvious which one was superior in concept. This isn't even the first time he tries to use alternative means to achieve his goals. He was going to use a mind control ray in Colors for example. All the different kinds of energies he's tried to harvest. The beings he's tried to hire or coerce under his control. Same fricking thing. >Speaking of which, the zombots were nowhere close to obedient from the start, and Eggman didn't really care to make them obedient.
Wrong again, they were obedient and the moment Cubot and Orbot started to disobey his commands he was visibly shocked by it. He told Starline he would fix it and they did shortly after. >Except he DIDN'T do that
Because Cream didn't let him. That's the point. >He literally told Starline, to his face, that he didn't have a plan prior to making the virus. He made it for the sake of spreading chaos, any attempts to control it was only done after Starline called him out.
Wrong, he didn't do it just for the sake of chaos, otherwise he wouldn't have made a command signal for them in the first place. He did it to make himself an obedient indestructible army. The plan was the command signal which he just had to fix, which he did and was consequently destroyed by Sonic. All Starline did was whine about it not being done sooner. He didn't come up with some brilliant plan. The only one he did, he fricked up immediately.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He was going to use a mind control ray in Colors for example.
You mean the weak ass ray that took a metric frickton of energy just to hypnotize a single person for a few seconds? That mind control ray? If you can't tell the difference between that and a whole ass zombie apocalypse you're functionally braindead.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't even get what point you're trying to get at here. It was an example of him using alternate means aside from badniks. How successful it was has nothing to do with the point, actually it just more proves that Eggman is willing to try new things despite the effort it takes. Nice try at a deflect though.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're painting Starline;s loss as if Ian thinks no one can take the spotlight from Eggman when that's just false
Starline didn't even have time to take the spotlight from Eggman, though. He just made Surge and Kit and got bodied immediately.
Squandered potential. Belle could have been an interesting character with a few modifications to her storyline. Her primary programming, her core purpose, should have been to unconditionally love and support her father. To be his assistant, his family. All her personality traits, values, and actions would be in alignment with this purpose when her father is a benevolent figure like Mr. Tinker. Instead of resorting to the simplistic cop-out of "Mr. Tinker is dead, Eggman isn’t him," Belle should have acknowledged that Eggman is, in fact, her father. After all, if her father was Eggman suffering from amnesia, then Eggman, in his truest form, is her real father. That realization could have added a layer of complexity to her character. Despite knowing that gaining Eggman’s approval might be an improbable task, Belle should have still felt an innate need to be with him and seek his validation. It could have been a poignant exploration of a daughter’s love for her father, despite his flaws, disinterest, and the challenges it presents. Despite the fact that he'd only hurt her, and use her to hurt the friends she cares about. She could have become Eggman’s most tragic henchman because she can’t help but love her creator, no matter what he becomes, even though it goes against everything that makes her who she is as an individual and breaks her little heart. This transformation could have been a powerful commentary on the destructive power of unconditional love when directed towards a someone that just doesn't care about anyone but themselves. And from there, after enough time of Belle at her lowest point, there would be yet more potential for the writers to explore. Do you make her worse, becoming more and more evil in a bid to gain her father's approval, validation, his love? How would she and Sage interact in this situation, if they ever decided to include her in the comics?
He also just created a fake Chaos Emerald on a whim. Not sure what that falls under, but I doubt that's just mechanics.
Turning Tails into Jimmy Neutron was a mistake.
>Jimmy Neutron
That's just how fictional geniuses are, they rarely have specializations, they just kinda have a general intelligence level of 'really smart' and can do anything vaguely sciency.
When you explore characters on a conceptual level, deeper interpretations can be unearthed. Try to think for yourself and grasp the concept that Dr. Eggman, for all intents and purposes, represents Belle's fullest realization of her creator. Her maker's essence lies in his scientific mind that conceived and sculpted her very being. A mind that's truest form in his Eggman persona. He built her as Mr. Tinker, but what is Mr. Tinker but a diminished, amnesiac form of Dr. Eggman? Not a separate entity. As a machine born for unconditional service, clinging solely to his Mr. Tinker persona misses her entire point, rendering her without purpose on a narrative level. It misses the reality that, as designed, her creator's true identity warrants her devotion as much as a false identity does. It's still the same man. My scenario suggests she should acknowledge difficult truths, not deny them, A notion apparently lost on you. The continued dumbing down of modern storytelling has truly led to profoundly stupid consumers.
When you explore characters on a conceptual level, deeper interpretations can be unearthed. Try to think for yourself and grasp the concept that Dr. Eggman, for all intents and purposes, represents Belle's fullest realization of her creator. Her maker's essence lies in his scientific mind that conceived and sculpted her very being. A mind that's truest form in his Eggman persona. He built her as Mr. Tinker, but what is Mr. Tinker but a diminished, amnesiac form of Dr. Eggman? Not a separate entity. As a machine born for unconditional service, clinging solely to his Mr. Tinker persona misses her entire point, rendering her without purpose on a narrative level. It misses the reality that, as designed, her creator's true identity warrants her devotion as much as a false identity does. It's still the same man. My scenario suggests she should acknowledge difficult truths, not deny them, A notion apparently lost on you. The continued dumbing down of modern storytelling has truly led to profoundly stupid consumers.
Okay but Eggman isn't Bruce Banner where he has a bunch of alternate egos floating around in a vault that writers can pull out when needed.
Tinker was a temporary, separate personality that was overwriting Eggman's true self. And it only happened because of outside circumstances (seemingly BRAIN DAMAGE). Then they undid it.
If Tinker was supposed to show there's good in Eggman, or that there's a point in Belle trying to bring it out, they really fricked it up,
Think of the divergence from Tinker to Eggman as akin to sequentially branched computer coding. Tinker, though Belle's initial point of origin, was ultimately an early off-chute of a persona adopted by Robotnik. A limited prototype persona compared to Robotnik's fuller, more nuanced source code from which he was compiled. Tinker could be seen as Robotnik beta level 1.0; well-intentioned yet functionally incomplete without the refining additions of later milestones. Eggman is Robotnik 2.0, the more complexly developed finalized build. Ultimately, both Tinker and Eggman branch from Robotnik, but Eggman is the accurate manifestation of Robotnik's true underlying algorithm all along, Belle's creator or "father" in the truest sense, the base framework upon which earlier test versions, like Tinker, were momentary forks. To put it more simply, Belle should feel compelled toward the man himself, rather than a persona the man may adapt, regardless of the preferences Robotnik gave her when he was Mr. Tinker.
>idw gives eggman a daughter >completely fumble her character >nobody cares >sega gives eggman a daughter >will never use her again >everyone loves her and don't realize she'll never come back because sega hates bringing back characters
Birch. Pine. Maple. Wood/floor polisher. >We will never see Bell lovingly squish handfulls of some sort of berries (from the forest) against herself, her upper body, her limbs, stepping in the mush that falls to the shower floor, until she's covered in buckets worth of red/pink slime. She'll lean against the wall, her thought balloon narrating that the sighs are because it's so relaxing, and that she's working it into her ball joints. All as a way to avoid nudity in comic books, of course!
This is fanart, but yeah, the final revision of her design made it unambiguous that she's got noticable boobs. Her designer goes way overboard in his own art but the other artists reel it in a bit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Her designer goes overboard, and the fans reel it in? This feels weird.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, the other official artists. Like, Evan and Tom draw her smaller by a significant amount. Mar tones it down a bit. Adam keeps bumping it up as he goes.
Somebody draw Lanolin putting down the "No Fun Allowed" sign. The writers need to go all in on her being the fun police for Sonic, I bet she'd be more popular as a result.
3 weeks ago
Boco
She already is, practically. Sally 2.0.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I feel like people have their own warped preconception on what Sally’s character is or how it was executed then how she is actually meant to be, Sally is no where near as strict or as much of a consistent hardass as Lanolin seems to be characterised
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think it's neat how Sonamy shippers have psyopd people into believing Sally wasn't a good character.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So what you're saying is Sally doesn't matter unless shipping is involved.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If nothing else people would talk more.
I think making her "no nonsense" isn't as fun as making her mean as shit. You run the risk of her being like Hamlin in Archie where the readers don't care about her problems because she's purely a hatesink. If you make her fricking mean, people get to vent about her being a b***h while other readers justify it and talk about her positive qualities.
Make interpersonal tension, not a plot wienerblocker.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
thump thump thump >stupid lemur and her annoying friends
thump thump thump >always causing a ruckus
thump thump thump >can't read my books in peace
thump thump thump >frick you tangle
Characters like Amy and Surge are commonly shipped in Yuri manga for a reason. Also Surge can basically be viewed as "Dark Amy". Sort of similar hair/quill styles.
Obsessed with Sonic but in regards to hate rather than love. It just fits.
No ship is "real". Apparently its a mandate that no important character can actually be in a relationship.
Amy Surge though is popular as all hell and is starting to rival Blaze x Amy and Tangle x Whisper in regards to yuri ships.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Except Tangle x Whisper is actually real.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its "implied" they're together but its been officially stated that they're not actually in a romantic relationship. Again. Because mandates.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh, I didn't know Ochaco was a lesbian.
Bisexuals exist anon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
In entertainment, they don't. Breaking up a gay relationship for a straight one even if the character is bi is a big no no.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not in comics. Bisexual women are just lesbians.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is manga though. Also Ochako is still in love with Deku (same for Toga Too. Toga is just in love with both Deku and Ochako a the same time).
3 weeks ago
Boco
Deku is the main character, right?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes.
3 weeks ago
Boco
Huh. He could get a three-way. Nice.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you actually knew Toga, you wouldn't be so quick to say that.
Characters like Amy and Surge are commonly shipped in Yuri manga for a reason. Also Surge can basically be viewed as "Dark Amy". Sort of similar hair/quill styles.
Obsessed with Sonic but in regards to hate rather than love. It just fits.
Why does this even matter?
Why would anyone even give answers to this unless it came up in the story? Just let kids ship whoever they want, for frick's sake.
Then explain the part of the comic where he hypnotizes Rouge to do his bidding?
He's a master hypnotist and a superiority complex to match Eggman of course he would become obsessed.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He's a master hypnotist
Not really, he just developed a device that let him use the Warp Topaz to do so, and the effects were very temporary. Surge and Kit were constantly re-hypnotized just to keep his experiment going.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He didn't give anything to base the compulsion to kill Sonic in Surge and that's why it failed, if he spun a at least a basic sob story like: "Sonic killed your parents" then maybe he wouldn't have so much trouble but his inability to understand other people fricked him over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So yeah, shitty hypnotist.
I wonder if Starline was meant to be autistic, because he couldn't comprehend the fact Sonic and Tails' bond was built on friendship and trust alongside complimentary abilities, all he could see was the latter because it was tangible physical data. Or maybe he just had no friends ever.
At least they didn't screw up the old characters. They made new characters and screwed those up in quiet ways.
You would not believe how much Tails gay porn there is in places online. Whisper and Tangle are a very small price to pay. And they're kind of cuter that way. "They think that nobody knows."
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10:27 >Q:Just a fun thought experiment, but which of the Diamond Cutters are the most likely to be LGBTQIA+ and who would be what?
Ian: Claire was kind of sort of hinted to have a thing for Mimic so she's straight. I would imagine Smithy is as well, but this is headcanon and stuff. If you want to think of them any way you want, go for it. The internet seems to have collectively agreed Whisper is at least gay. Slinger is bi, why not. Mimic, I don't want to say asexual, just I don't think he cares about other people at all. It's not really a LGBT+ thing, it's just he doesn't have the desire to make interpersonal connections.
Kyle: Doesn't strike me as the type.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ugh. Do people these fricking days never just see the world outside a lens of DEI representation? Everyone has to be gay, bi, trans, asexual, etc.
It's exhausting. Just write a fricking character and have them HAPPEN to be X or Y, but otherwise shut the frick up about it.
That's why I hate that the writers have embraced the Tandle x Whisper shit. If it happened on its own, without any outside influence, then whatever. I don't see them like that, but whatever.
But now these characters are forever going to be remembered as the token lesbian couple and all their interactions will be 90% reminding you of how gay together they are and less about actual story writing.
The modern age is exhausting, and these characters deserve better.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Evan Stanley somehow never grew out of the mindset of a 16 year old female Sonic fan.
It's not just the NEED to have LGBT-related themes in her writing, it's also cringy levels of "edge" and trying hard to make "the most serious and thought-provoking Sonic story in the history of ever". Ghosts of the Future reeked of this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If it happened on its own, without any outside influence
Considering the no romance rule, no chance of that happening.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Calm the frick down buddy, it's just trivia for some background characters who are dead. No different than answering what's their favorite pizza topping.
Monkey girl was actually into Mimic, when he was looking at their past memories on Whisper's mask she said something about seeing a positive future with him.
This is the worst image to use as an example of Whisper always crying, because in this case she is crying as a result of Cream, as IDW Cream has the characteristic to make others cry.
My favorite part of Sonic Battle was when Cream wouldn't shut the frick up and gave one of her trademark inspiring speeches. Ian's understanding of the cast has been thoroughly warped by fandom.
So watching female characters cry is like confirmed to be some staff member's fetish at this point right?
They literally just made up a character gimmick in an existing character to facilitate this further.
Why does it seem to exclusively apply to female characters though? Sonic cried like once in Scrapnik Island and they wrote a literal excuse as to why it happened.
Steven Universe didn't even become the Crying Lesbian Hour until like three seasons in. And plenty of the boohooing is on other writers.
Maybe it's a consequence on obsessing over a series for too long? I leave this shir alone for like half a year at a time and the melodrama comes off really weird. Like the zombie stuff was so strange. Why were these fuzzy mascot critters so immediately depressed? Shouldn't they be trying to stay positive but look a bit worn down?
Do you gays ever stop seething about Ian? You guys are more obsessed over him then trump supporters are with biden and trans people. Your comic is dead. Archie was never good you are viewing it with rose tinted glasses. Get the frick over it.
I mean fair enough. Still, I really do wish Sonic comics were better. They're the only stable source of funny animal action adventure stories kids have in comics.
At least there's Dogman, even if that's not really the same.
I don't give a flying FRICK about Archie, and I imagine the only people capable of enjoying IDW are the ones that do. I just think Ian's a godawful writer regardless, and he's doing way more harm than good.
He's been hands off for a few years now. Last year he just did the first two issues of the (really bad) Egg city arc and some backups. This year he's doing the Fang mini.
No, Archie got bad on this shit too, it just took a while for people to realize. Nicole sucks ass and the fandom praise of her set an awful precedent.
Nicole actually did shit other than cry. She had her own superform and battled an evil virus in the postboot.
Whisper and Belle just show up, cry a bit about their tragic pasts, and then abruptly leave. It leads nowhere, their backstories never tie into the plot, and they never do anything else.
The guy I was replying to didn't mention her, either. But she at least led missions, fought various bad guys, and managed to KO Mammoth Mogul once. She had a lot of annoying melodrama and is a pretty divisive character, but she did other things.
Maybe if IDW gave Sonic and friends more foes to fight instead of one villain at a time we would have a reason for such a huge cast.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The IDW villains are ass. Mimic, Clutch, Rough, Tumble, Surge, and Kit wouldn't last five seconds against Sonic. He could probably take them all at once.
The thing about Ian is that he's godawful at making villains. Same with Evan especially since she seems to not resist trying to make villains overly sympathetic unless they're mindless beasts. All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people. Starline was the only half-decent villain Ian created and he was fricking killed off.
I hated how wimpy they made Nicole in the preboot when she got her new form and her nanites. Glad the reboot scratched that out.
The thing about Ian is that he's godawful at making villains. Same with Evan especially since she seems to not resist trying to make villains overly sympathetic unless they're mindless beasts. All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people. Starline was the only half-decent villain Ian created and he was fricking killed off.
I won't say which one but judging from her taste in animu I can immediately guess she's one of those weird women who like melodramatic villains/plot lines and zero in on characters who cry like once or twice and completely interpret them into being a little b***h boy (of course it's a boy). I'll bet she's the type that amps the melodrama up like a diary entry too, as if self inserting, I've seen it a lot in that fandom unfortunately. All people seem to take from that fandom (which is unsurprisingly filled with fujos) is "uwu trauma" and her writing is no different.
He was decent in Archie. He suffered under Penders' pen, but who didn't?
[...] >All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people.
It's true, strangely enough. Finitevus, Scourge, Fiona, Mogul, etc. were all other people's creations that Ian repurposed into better villains. When he comes up with a villain from scratch, he sucks.
[...]
He apparently doesn't like villains who can undermine or challenge Sonic, either.
I wonder if people are aware that Ian's run on Archie is only revered because of all the garbage that came before while working off the foundations set by other people.
Ian and Evan's problem are that they come from a fanfic background and that explains all the weird writing quirks they have (and the complaining about having oversight)
That's basically why Shadow is such a difficult character for them.
>Ian and Evan's problem are that they come from a fanfic background and that explains all the weird writing quirks they have (and the complaining about having oversight)
This is exactly it, getting to basically write whatever they wanted and being so used to the lack of care from both Archie and Sega made them complacent. This applies more to Ian in an official setting since Evan was only an artist on Archie IIRC but she does have a similar background with "dark" melodramatic fanfics.
They both unfortunately are stuck in their own unwelcome agendas, Ian to keep the SatAM/Archie values in any shape or form possible, and Evan to inject LGBT themes in whenever possible.
They both unfortunately are stuck in their own unwelcome agendas, Ian to keep the SatAM/Archie values in any shape or form possible, and Evan to inject LGBT themes in whenever possible.
Yeah, Ian's a bit too Archiebrained to write such a game derived comic.
>I hated how wimpy they made Nicole in the preboot when she got her new form and her nanites.
Yeah, Nicole got oddly demure when she got her lynx body even though she was very sassy as a handheld prior.
I have never heard anything truly positive about this character from anyone that isn't just jerking off to her. I could say the same about almost every other OC from this comic except maybe Surge.
>I wonder if people are aware that Ian's run on Archie is only revered because of all the garbage that came before while working off the foundations set by other people.
One hundred fricking percent. It's this and the fact that someone who was familiar with and kinda gave a shit about the series was in charge of the comics (Ken was not super familiar with the Sonic games and I think most other writers were the same way, just contractors hired to write random stories).
>Ken was not super familiar with the Sonic games and I think most other writers were the same way, just contractors hired to write random stories
Before Sonic Adventure there wasn't a whole lot of story to actually adapt. Really the comic should have just ended at 50, it would have been perfectly timed.
No, I mean how he feels like certain traits in girls aren't ok. Amy needs to be an all rounder because her being a bit clumsy or not terribly clever is... bad?
All the IDW OCs are extremely pointless. >Tangle never develops as a character or as a hero. Stuck in this limbo where she only exists as Whisper’s comfort pillow to cry into. >Whisper never gets over her trauma. Claims to be a successful mercenary but all she does is cry. Had an entire story where Shadow Androids (the actual killers of her old team) were featured but instead of growing as a character by confronting them she instead cries in a corner with the rest of the diamond cutters and discuss their feelings. >Lanolin is another mercenary who is supposedly competent yet we never see than on-panel. She nearly dies on her first mission yet still acts like she has experience for some reason. >Surge and Kit are basically on the same level as Rough and Tumble. Joke villains who can never match up to the main characters and exist just to get made fun of.
No it didn't. Even the characters IDW ripped off from Archie are considerably worse: >Starline was a vlogging dunderhead, Finitevus was a menacing mastermind who fricked over the entire cast with Knuxerjak >Surge is a crying frickup who jobbed three times in a row, Scourge managed wins over Sonic and Shadow and fricked up the whole cast with his Super-form >the Restoration are just crying dykes, while Bunnie and Antoine have a cute romance and actually fight people and do heroic stuff
Not to mention Nicole, who is about 5x more useful than any of the Restoration, even before she had her lynx form.
Cope, Idw cast has been mentioned in the games. Theyll be added to the mainline games. Something sally gaycorn never got.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It took like 10 years for a central character like Cream to finally get a spotlight one game again. Getting playable versions of Tails, Amy, and Knuckles in Frontiers was shocking. Sega still hates Sonic’s friends. No comic shitter has any chance of actually getting a big role in a game when they are competing against longtime game characters. Off-screen mentions are the best they can hope for.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tldr
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tangle and Whisper are playable characters in the mobile games. That’s something.
3 weeks ago
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the mobile games don't count for shit, it's just tossing in a model with the same animations as everybody else and calling it a day.
Surge is in the mobile games too, but Kit isn't. Pretty telling isn't it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the mobile games don't count for shit
Then how come the archie characters never showed up in a mobile game?
Starline could've worked had he had ample time to establish more to his character than just "Eggman fanboy with a McGuffin". Imagine him pretending to be an ally to Sonic while he was secretly planning to take both Tinker and the Chaos Emeralds from under him. It would've been the perfect chance to show off his character traits while giving Sonic more than enough reason to spit on his inevitable demise.
As is, he's more of a character than a plot device.
>Starline could've worked had he had ample time
People have been saying this shit about Ian's stories for nearly 20 years and it still boggles my mind.
No. Starline did not need more time. Starline needed his story to be focused and actually give the reader catharsis. You could tell his entire story in four issues and it could be much better than what we got. Even the way he died was fine, but the actual execution of the moment sucked ass. Even the ART was on point for it: Adam drew him seething and freaking out, but it didn't land because the surrounding context and dialogue was ASS.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thing is, his story lacks focus because he was given no time. The fact that he randomly got all seven Chaos Emeralds with no explanation except to push the plot along is the perfect example of that.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You really don't need to give Starline even more screen time to get his story across.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You could tell his entire story in four issues and it could be much better than what we got
You guys wouldn't bother talking about him if it was.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Someone in this thread brought up Hood and that guy didn't do shit. Bunnie's Uncle was one of the most memorable Archie villains and he's in like three issues.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Neither one had a full satisfying story so what's your point? As usual the talking points are only about the potential that we lost.
I know but most of it is yuri if you pay attention, also yeah most of her art is her bottoming both nsfw or safework. At best she's not topping or bottoming just being the punk girl.
But is that because she's a bad guy, therefore is mandated to always lose to Sonic, or because she's yet another girl in a comic that has had such a steady stream of them, or because people are rooting for Beta Boy Kitsune?
Heh is it wrong I'm rooting for him? He should just join sonic and the two blue bros correct her.
But yeah def mostly popular for being hot, she lost most of her intimidation factor long ago. Also yeah but shadow is bad but isn't mostly portrayed as a bottom, while surge art usually makes her a trauma baby. She either needs a hug, put in her place, crying or just being punk but everyone treats her like one of the guys or just a minor annoyance. She literally has become a villain of the week type while being a main arc villain kek
But is that because she's a bad guy, therefore is mandated to always lose to Sonic, or because she's yet another girl in a comic that has had such a steady stream of them, or because people are rooting for Beta Boy Kitsune?
But she isn’t even charming ugly or mishapen but with a lot of heart, she just has an awful design. I’d rather see a Gulper Eel as a Sonic character then some crybaby clown nose, pinocchio piece of shit
Yeah but she hasn’t got a good design or a good character, sometimes a bad design also just essentially dooms a character to be unviable for any writer to want to use them or fans to want to see them get used well
Ian is a gigachad for writing for mainline games now while you chuds whine about crying lesbians. This homie is gonna be in charge of sonic writing for the next 20 years.
They changed it because a 1 for 1 translation isnt possible you fricking tard. Go learn about how translations work, and while youre at it learn why your parents disowned you.
>Kishimoto changed it for the japanese version to add more nuance
From what I remember, a majority of Kishimoto's changes involved removing most of Ian's callbacks and references to previous games since Sonic isn't very popular in Japan, meaning most native players wouldn't have understood what was being referenced. He said this in a couple interviews around the game's release.
I have no idea what that that other machine-translated interview is trying to say.
And then Surge and Kit ended up being a whole lot of nothing, with Surge only staying popular because people like to make her lesbians with Amy while Kit doesn't even get to be in mobile game crap.
>we want to give the freelance artists a break by completely putting them out of work for several months
You are a colossal moron if you believe that for even a second.
If I did believe it I would think IDW was either run by morons or evil people. >mandatory vacations for our employees in a recession! We are so generous!
How the frick is IDW going to cope with the franchise going all in on Shadow now? This comic has been relentless to the character, it would seem like such a weird backpedal to try and synergize out of nowhere but it would look like they can't read the room if they do nothing.
This wouldn't be an issue if they just treated the character normally.
>This wouldn't be an issue if they just treated the character normally.
What exactly does treating Shadow normally mean? He hasn't done shit in the games for years now.
I'd say IDW's treatment of Shadow has been par for the course of the franchise for the last 10 to 15 years or so. The franchise as a whole is backpedaling on him now, it won't just be IDW.
Forces actually treated him well. He was actually close to Omega and Rouge. He also kicked Infinite’s ass so hard he’s still crying about it.
If IDW Shadow were in Forces he would be yelling at Rouge and then job to infinite pre-phantom ruby.
Remember when Shadow was written to be a drooling moron in the Metal Virus arc because Ian was busy having a tantrum since he couldn't make his le epic Sonic 06 reference?
I dunno, not using as a punching bag is a start. Literally just not using him is a better move. He's a strange character to use as a scapegoat, I don't care if you like him or not. Both Forces and Prime seemed to treat him seriously.
Not going to deny the strange thoughts of anons with /ss/ tendencies... but I'm pretty sure Tails has have successful romantic relationships across several media (canon, in the real meaning of the word, I mean).
He was decent in Archie. He suffered under Penders' pen, but who didn't?
The thing about Ian is that he's godawful at making villains. Same with Evan especially since she seems to not resist trying to make villains overly sympathetic unless they're mindless beasts. All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people. Starline was the only half-decent villain Ian created and he was fricking killed off.
>All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people.
It's true, strangely enough. Finitevus, Scourge, Fiona, Mogul, etc. were all other people's creations that Ian repurposed into better villains. When he comes up with a villain from scratch, he sucks.
Ian doesn't like villains that are stronger than Eggman or can undermine him.
He apparently doesn't like villains who can undermine or challenge Sonic, either.
Ian works best when it's with other peoples ideas. There's no shame in that either, I wish there was more writers or more Sonic books to build up a real ocean of ideas for the future.
Even with other people's ideas, he can easily fall into his worst habits. His Unleashed arc in Archie was godawful.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No his unleashed arc in Archie was fantastic. A perfect blend of all the of Sonic through out the media, (minus Underground).
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bloated to shit arc that lasted three whole years >Werehog was a superpowered evil side Sonic has to take control of with Day spirit bullshit, despite that being the OPPOSITE of how the werehog works in the game. Seriously, this ruins one of the best scenes in the game and fricks up the theme entirely >Chip gets spoiled of his identity immediately by fricking Tikal >Chip himself has zero room for development when he's constantly fighting for the spotlight with the freedom fighters, who just take up space like its Kingdom Hearts >It's so bad Chip has to have flashbacks of scenes that LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED. Flynn just made shit up on the spot and pretended like that was character development
Yeah, no. Most of the issues plaguing Flynn's modern work can be found in that arc. It's just not as severe as IDW, but you can see the complacency in his writing take hold by this point.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As a fan of the Unleashed arc, I agree, there SHOULD have been scenes of Chip hanging with the FFs, cute little one shots and the like.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>there SHOULD have been scenes of Chip hanging with the FFs
At that point the Freedom Fighters were only kept around to keep longtime fans placated, there was really just nothing for them to do as far as mingling with Sega-made plots went.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It helped that Sonic Universe had cool arcs like Shadow Fall at that time.
The sub-bosses idea was so good, Eggman needs cronies both to show the world isn't cut between good and evil and so the heroes can actually thrash somebody that can fail.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But Eggman can totally fail, it's just that you can't kill him/get rid of him permenantly in some way
My favourite is still the moral guardians and rouge, which was... Frick, I think that was from when the Zombots Slog was ongoing. That thread was hilarious.
Are any of the games/comics cannon to the IDW comics? I just recently started getting into these since a friend got me try the free train murder mystery, started on the IDW stuff but might check out some of the others things if they're interwoven/connected at all.
All the games are canon to the comics. As long as the comic is made under IDW, then it's canon to the main comic series. No other publisher Sonic comic is connected to it.
>All the games are canon to the comics.
Impossible. Origins explicitly replaces the Genesis games in nuSega "canon." Spinball contains the Freedom Fighters.
Short, short version? >The mandates are a bunch of directives given from Sega to IDW (or the company in turn) about how their IP characters and settings have to be handled. >They were heavily reworked since the Reboot Archie Era after the Pendering (If the rework was caused due to the Pendering or was an inevitable event, remains uncertain). >Ian and similar writers shield their less effective writing by blaming the Mandates on it, basically saying "They don't allow us to do anything!"
>Ian and similar writers shield their less effective writing by blaming the Mandates on it, basically saying "They don't allow us to do anything!"
and how much of that shielding is valid?
Whenever the team submits their pitches for the comics they get back notes from Sega that says "Don't do this" or "This character wouldn't do this" etc. They re-edit the scripts until they get passed. Some of these notes become consistent enough to consider as a mandate such as "Sonic can't cry" or "No romance". Sometimes these mandates have loopholes such as Sonic crying in Scrapnik Island but it's framed as Mecha Sonic crying through him or pitching two characters who are already a couple is fine. Sometimes they're not any loopholes like with "No humans" or the Classic Sonic embargo. Sometimes they can change after a few years like Team Dark being a thing in Archie but not in IDW. What can be yes today can be no tomorrow, like Ian having permission to include Chaos in the first arc but getting no before the part came out. Sometimes Sega unexpectedly gives ideas like Starline's final attack, Blaze's castle, or Vecnilla.
We only know these things because people ask Ian and others behind the scenes stuff on his podcast constantly why we don't have this or can't do that. Some people here already dislike the staff so they'll take it as if they're just making up excuses. Some wrongly believe the mandates mean they can't do literally anything. Ian has said multiple times that's its not all give and take and they're not shackled on every little thing, but no one actually watches his podcast so that nuance is lost on people. Don't believe either extreme side and ask for sources.
>Can anyone clear up the whole "muh SEGA mandates" thing?
Almost any time you work for a company (especially one with a mascot) they tend to have restrictions on how you use certain characters. Can't have Mario or Mickey go Columbine or something. Ian just brings more attention to them than most writers due to his background.
Neither character died in those few issues. We're talking about a story where Starline just came in and died in 4 issues. Hood and Baron were 2 characters with continuing stories that got cut short. It's not the same thing and you know it.
You're right, if a character suddenly died for shock value, nobody would EVER discuss the "wasted potential" of the character. They would just never speak of him again.
You're right, one of the single most praised stories in the 30 years this comic has been running? Nobody would say a word about the antagonist if he died later. You cracked the code anon, people just stop discussing things once a character dies.
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Anonymous
>Nobody would say a word about the antagonist if he died later.
You mean Jackrabbit? He was the antagonist of that story.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jack was the antagonist of the SU arc. Beau was the antagonist of Thicker Than Water, for as much as that story has an antagonist.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Beau was the antagonist of Thicker Than Water
He didn't do a single antagonistic thing, he helped Bunnie more than not. Jack was still the real one trying to blow them up and abusing the former robians.
I don't get why she exists.
I don't get why Mr Tinker made her able to cry tears.
>I don't get why she exists.
This is how i feel about pretty much every IDW Sonic OC besides Starline, who is dead. None of these characters have agency or goals they are actually allowed to work towards. Belle is sad about a thing that will never change. Whisper can't get over her PTSD no matter how many times it comes up. Tangle doesn't really have anything going on but worrying about her not-girlfriend having PTSD. Surge and Kit had their chance and blew it, so they are now lesser designated rivals in a series bloated with designated rivals. Everyone else like israeliteel and Lanolin just don't matter at all.
>Jewel was created to "be Tangle's friend" and run a museum to facilitate some stories.
>Is immediately shunted into "leading the resistance" once they realize they wrote Amy into a corner.
>Is never actually utilized in this capacity for stories, jokes, or anything. Just kind of awkwardly stands around when "the resistance" needs a figurehead.
Ken had more respect for his OCs than Ian and Evan. This shit's sad, man.
Penders had (often misguided) autistic passion
Ian just wants a paycheck
Ken didn't actually have that much passion. It was mostly plagiarism and clout chasing. He also let stuff fall by the wayside often. I just think it's sad a dude like him, who was mostly on autopilot, gave more of a shit about his characters. The bar is really fricking low here.
>not just making a generic OC to be the leader like Signas from Megaman X
Dam Ian. Or really, dam Sega.
We really do need some softcore Ken-tier autism to make things more interesting. Just nothing overboard like regular Ken.
>Is never actually utilized in this capacity for stories, jokes, or anything
Sounds like Penders' OCs alright.
This is the main problem with IDW being canon. They can’t actually make any status quo changes to any characters so the comic is just set in this perpetual limbo. It’s literally just a bunch of filler stories.
You don't need to change the status quo to write good stories.
I don't think her creator knew either.
This is how I feel about Sonic, IDWnic, and Starline.
Do you remember that fan game with the all-female cast? That's Sonic The Hedgehog™ if the franchise didn't make fanatics when console audiences were captive youths.
>who is dead
I don't get why Starline died. He seemed to be the outlet for a passionate writer that made even the... whatever they're called... red alien guy... have some character.
Starline's death was so sudden and meaningless, if I was bothered I'd check to see if the writing credits changed at that point to explain throwing him away like that.
The writers don't even seem to like writing the other characters, even the main cast.
>I don't get why Starline died.
>Q:Hello, Mr Flynn...Did you plan the death of Starline from the very beginning...or was it something you came to after some time after?
Ian: It wasn't the original idea from the get-go but it was the natural progression of things. As we explored Starline's character, as things kind of fell into place, it's like well this is inevitably ending in a train wreck. The light at the end of the tunnel is going WOOP WOOP.
Kyle: Do you remember the specific time or anything around when you were thinking that?
Ian: The minute Starline started thinking he could do better than Eggman. When he went from the transition of "Eggman can do no wrong" to "I can do Eggman better", that sealed his fate. The minute he thought he could step to the man and out do him, the shinigami was writing his name down very slowly in the Death Note just like "Oh, this is going to be fun."
Yeah, because no one has EVER upstaged Eggman before. Ian is such a fricking idiot, holy shit. He's so obsessed with Eggman being this unstoppable war criminal that he's willing to throw away anything that threatens it.
He really wants Eggman to be SatAM Robotnik again.
>Q:So now that we know Surge and Kit's origins, could you tell was what stuff about it got changed by Sega?
Ian: The original pitch was that they were full on synthetic beings, not just robots but androids of such a high caliber that they were basically living beings. Reploids, more or less. Something on the cusp between synthetic and organic. Sega was like "we don't want Starline to be that advanced in his tech" so they proposed the endoskeleton cyborg angle.
Kyle: Which is darker and more horrifying.
Ian: Yeah and then they walked back saying they didn't want us to actually depict that or explain it too clearly because it was too dark, BUT YOU TOLD US TO DO IT! [Laughter]
Kyle: I think once they realized what they asked they're like "Uhhhh, maybe not. Nevermind. Can you write around that?"
>Yeah, because no one has EVER upstaged Eggman before.
Like who?
Metal Sonic, Heavy King, Chaos, Solaris, Dark Gaia, fricking ZAVOK. Past the Genesis era, 9 times out of 10 Eggman is playing second fiddle to the REAL bad guy of a given game. He's not some untouchable terrorist, he's a petulant manchild with delusions of grandeur that anyone can knock over if they have the audacity.
All those characters either died or were immediately defeated, just like Starline. Meanwhile Eggman lives on as the major villain of the series. Upstaging Eggman has always been a death sentence.
>All those characters either died
Of those I listed, the only ones that died were Solaris and Chaos. Metal is still kicking (somehow), Heavy's stuck in the Classic dimension, Dark Gaia just went back to sleep, and Zavok never fricking left. It's absolutely not the death sentence Ian makes it out to be, and they sure as HELL don't fall from Eggman's doing.
>or were immediately defeated
Are you implying Eggman doesn't get his ass kicked as well?
>Meanwhile Eggman lives on as the major villain of the series
No shit Sherlock, that's not the fricking point.
>Zavok never fricking left
He never took the spotlight again either. His next game appearance was him being a toady for Eggman in TSR and an illusion in Forces.
>Are you implying Eggman doesn't get his ass kicked as well?
I'm saying he's never upstaged by other villains for any length of time beyond the immediate game and then they're shuffled to the back if they manage to survive. Someone new hogs the attention, gets defeated, and then rarely matter again. No one is ever going to take Eggman's spot.
>No shit Sherlock, that's not the fricking point.
Seems like it to me. You're painting Starline;s loss as if Ian thinks no one can take the spotlight from Eggman when that's just false. He had Neo Metal, the Deadly Six, and Starline do that exact thing, and how did it go? They shined for a moment but then was defeated to make way for him again. It's not as controversial as you're trying to make it look. He's just put it in words.
>No one is ever going to take Eggman's spot.
That means diddly squat when this happens every other game. For someone touted as the main bad guy, he has a horrible track record when it comes to maintaining that title from the latest MOTW.
>They shined for a moment but then was defeated to make way for him again
Defeated, not outright KILLED. There was zero reason to kill Starline off except to jerk off Eggman, which never fricking happens in the actual games. The fact that Eggman was the one to take care of Starline only highlights how OOC the whole thing is.
>That means diddly squat when this happens every other game.
It does because whoever it is doing it does not last long. The fact you use MOTW as a title for them just proves that point.
>Defeated, not outright KILLED.
You already gave examples where they were.
>The fact that Eggman was the one to take care of Starline only highlights how OOC the whole thing is.
Now we get to the actual issue. You think Eggman should never be able to beat someone, otherwise it's jerking him off. I don't know why you have a hateboner for Eggman but that's just silly. Do you think any character beating someone is just to jerk them off too?
>You think Eggman should never be able to beat someone, otherwise it's jerking him off
When it's shit like pic related, its practically deepthroating him. He has literally never done something even remotely close to that.
> I don't know why you have a hateboner for Eggman but that's just silly.
I just want these GAME characters to act like they do in the GAMES, is that really too much to ask for? I'm not here for Ian's hypercompetent Archie Eggman, or Flynn's preachy Freedom Figher Sonic. I just want an actual half decent Sonic adaptation for crying out loud.
Isn't it weird how Eggman can only be this level of dangerous when dealing with the IDW OCs?
Saw someone bring it up that its because they're dealing with him for the first time and he pulls all these menecing looks because of what they've heard about him. For Sonic and the rest of the game gang, they've known him for years.
That doesn't really hold up when you've seen everything else these characters do prior to fighting Eggman.
Yeah, that's part of my issue with it. It's intensely jarring seeing Eggman flipflop in personality like a shizo depending entirely on whether or not he's dealing with a game character. His current personality isn't consistent, nor is it even interesting. Eggman ends up losing core aspects of his character for the sake of meme pages made solely to be reposted on the internet for updoots.
Would be great if the comic made that clear instead of that being pure headcannon.
Something weird about Sonic being able to crush a gun just by pushing on it with his foot.
>When it's shit like pic related, its practically deepthroating him. He has literally never done something even remotely close to that.
He outran Sonic all the time and is strong physically. He dodged Starline and then threw him into the ground. You're being silly.
>I just want these GAME characters to act like they do in the GAMES, is that really too much to ask for? I'm not here for Ian's hypercompetent Archie Eggman
Kek, this right here is why I rarely take you guys seriously. I've seen several people here ranting because Ian doesn't write Eggman competent enough to make foolproof plans. Now you say he's hypercompetent. It's hilarious.
>He outran Sonic all the time
Yes, as a joke. That is mostly in Classic Sonic, where it's made clear its not meant to be taken seriously.
>and is strong physically.
That means nothing when he's inherently a coward. You bring up obscure game mechanics from a spinoff game to justify your logic, where I can just bring up the MULTIPLE times Eggman canonically gets punked out by literal preschoolers like a PPG villain. He is nothing without his toys, that's the point.
> I've seen several people here ranting because Ian doesn't write Eggman competent enough to make foolproof plans. Now you say he's hypercompetent
That's not the contradiction you think it is. Eggman isn't competent in the grand scheme of things, but he DOES have the foresight to at the very least have backup plans in case things go south. It's just that those ALSO tend to blow up in his face, but the effort is still there. The Metal Virus sucked because he didn't even bother with that, he just wanted anarchy.
>Yes, as a joke.
That's your interpretation.
>You bring up obscure game mechanics
People do that all the time to argue things here. I don't see why this should be any different. It's also shown in Lost World, but I'm sure you'll discount that too.
>I can just bring up the MULTIPLE times Eggman canonically gets punked out by literal preschoolers like a PPG villain.
And I can bring up the multiple times he's a large enough threat to require multiple heroes working together to take him down. It's not all one or the other. He used his toys to take down Starline and then slammed him into the ground. They didn't have a martial arts battle. Starline isn't any more a combatant than Eggman and needs to rely on his toys as well. Eggman just has the size difference on him.
>The Metal Virus sucked because he didn't even bother with that, he just wanted anarchy.
Ah, this old argument. He had a backup plan and Sonic destroyed it. Then Starline ruined it all by getting the Zeti involved. You guys always leave that out for convenience.
>That's your interpretation.
And "Eggman is totally faster than Sonic!!!" isn't? Quit being obtuse, anon.
>I don't see why this should be any different.
Never said it was, only that there's way more canon examples where he crumbles the moment he's confronted.
>It's also shown in Lost World, but I'm sure you'll discount that too.
It's funny you bring that game up, it's actually the perfect example of how OOC IDW is. IDW Eggman would immediately try to destroy the planet with his machine.
>Starline isn't any more a combatant than Eggman and needs to rely on his toys as well.
And Starline being defeated WITH his tools is really fricking dumb. This is the same dude that gave Sonic and Silver combined a run for their money while he had the Topaz.
>Eggman just has the size difference on him.
He has an even greater size difference with Cream.
>He had a backup plan and Sonic destroyed it.
He was pressed by Starline to come up with a backup, while he dragged his feet the whole time. Absolutely none of that is his usual behavior.
>And "Eggman is totally faster than Sonic!!!" isn't?
No because it factually happened. We all saw it.
>Never said it was
You did by saying it doesn't count because you say so. It happened so it's just as valid. To say otherwise is to say only what you decide count does.
>It's funny you bring that game up, it's actually the perfect example of how OOC IDW is. IDW Eggman would immediately try to destroy the planet with his machine.
Except no because that wouldn't serve his plans. The zombots were to give him a tireless, obedient, immortal workforce/army and expand from there. His goal wasn't to just "destroy the world".
>And Starline being defeated WITH his tools is really fricking dumb.
Except he didn't have his tools. He lost the warp topaz, he lost his tricore, and his hypnoglove was rendered useless. All he had left was his boot spike.
>This is the same dude that gave Sonic and Silver combined a run for their money while he had the Topaz.
You're leaving out the inconvenient info that he had Metal Sonic to do most of the fighting and the only reason Sonic had to let him go was because Silver was running into a trap bomb. And once again, he doesn't have the warp topaz anymore.
>He has an even greater size difference with Cream.
And if he got a hold on her, it would hurt even more when he slammed her into the ground.
>He was pressed by Starline to come up with a backup
Wrong, Eggman had already planned using an override signal to get back control, and was even considering another backup with the warp topaz. All Starline did was whine about him not doing it quick enough for his preference. And look where that got him, lost his position and favor with Eggman. Starline's hubris has been thinking he's the smartest guy in the room when he makes the same mistakes he looks down on other people for.
>No because it factually happened. We all saw it.
And taking it seriously despite canon loterallt disproving it is fricking moronic.
>You did by saying it doesn't count because you say so
I said it was a weak argument because you're pulling shit from spinoffs, not that it didn't count entirely. You can read the OG post, you're just arguing for the sake of it now.
>The zombots were to give him a tireless, obedient, immortal workforce/army and expand from there.
Yet that was never an issue for him before. Badniks provided the exact same function with zero room of a chance of infecting himself or losing control. Speaking of which, the zombots were nowhere close to obedient from the start, and Eggman didn't really care to make them obedient.
>And if he got a hold on her, it would hurt even more when he slammed her into the ground.
Except he DIDN'T do that, he got his ass kicked. That's the point.
>Eggman had already planned using an override signal to get back control, and was even considering another backup with the warp topaz
He literally told Starline, to his face, that he didn't have a plan prior to making the virus. He made it for the sake of spreading chaos, any attempts to control it was only done after Starline called him out.
>And taking it seriously despite canon loterallt disproving it is fricking moronic.
Again, that's your interpretation, he's been speedy in multiple instances even in Modern even.
>Yet that was never an issue for him before. Badniks provided the exact same function with zero room of a chance of infecting himself or losing control.
They're also weak and unable to overcome the vast majority of the cast that regularly beats him. Meanwhile his zombots were able to not only take down his greatest foes but turn them to his side. It's obvious which one was superior in concept. This isn't even the first time he tries to use alternative means to achieve his goals. He was going to use a mind control ray in Colors for example. All the different kinds of energies he's tried to harvest. The beings he's tried to hire or coerce under his control. Same fricking thing.
>Speaking of which, the zombots were nowhere close to obedient from the start, and Eggman didn't really care to make them obedient.
Wrong again, they were obedient and the moment Cubot and Orbot started to disobey his commands he was visibly shocked by it. He told Starline he would fix it and they did shortly after.
>Except he DIDN'T do that
Because Cream didn't let him. That's the point.
>He literally told Starline, to his face, that he didn't have a plan prior to making the virus. He made it for the sake of spreading chaos, any attempts to control it was only done after Starline called him out.
Wrong, he didn't do it just for the sake of chaos, otherwise he wouldn't have made a command signal for them in the first place. He did it to make himself an obedient indestructible army. The plan was the command signal which he just had to fix, which he did and was consequently destroyed by Sonic. All Starline did was whine about it not being done sooner. He didn't come up with some brilliant plan. The only one he did, he fricked up immediately.
>He was going to use a mind control ray in Colors for example.
You mean the weak ass ray that took a metric frickton of energy just to hypnotize a single person for a few seconds? That mind control ray? If you can't tell the difference between that and a whole ass zombie apocalypse you're functionally braindead.
I don't even get what point you're trying to get at here. It was an example of him using alternate means aside from badniks. How successful it was has nothing to do with the point, actually it just more proves that Eggman is willing to try new things despite the effort it takes. Nice try at a deflect though.
>You're painting Starline;s loss as if Ian thinks no one can take the spotlight from Eggman when that's just false
Starline didn't even have time to take the spotlight from Eggman, though. He just made Surge and Kit and got bodied immediately.
>Yeah, because no one has EVER upstaged Eggman before.
Yeah, honestly, Eggman should never have been upstaged in the games either.
>Do you remember that fan game with the all-female cast?
Freedom Planet?
Superfluous.
Has potential.
My wife.
What level of autism are we on when you waifu a character that’s not even real in their own universe
Could you explain that to me?
How come she doesn't exist in her universe?
I mean, the lore of comics is not supposed to be the same as that of video games, I guess.
And in that case, how come it doesn't exist in the comics?
IDW is canon to the games, bub, and even if it wasn't, who the frick cares?
Anon she has metal under the wood, you'd just break that woodchipper.
No no no you fool you're supposed to stick her in feet first
She's a fun example of what Eggman could be capable of if he wasn't a egomaniacal despot.
You know what else could be a fun example of that? Actually writing Mr. Tinker for more than two issues.
Squandered potential. Belle could have been an interesting character with a few modifications to her storyline. Her primary programming, her core purpose, should have been to unconditionally love and support her father. To be his assistant, his family. All her personality traits, values, and actions would be in alignment with this purpose when her father is a benevolent figure like Mr. Tinker. Instead of resorting to the simplistic cop-out of "Mr. Tinker is dead, Eggman isn’t him," Belle should have acknowledged that Eggman is, in fact, her father. After all, if her father was Eggman suffering from amnesia, then Eggman, in his truest form, is her real father. That realization could have added a layer of complexity to her character. Despite knowing that gaining Eggman’s approval might be an improbable task, Belle should have still felt an innate need to be with him and seek his validation. It could have been a poignant exploration of a daughter’s love for her father, despite his flaws, disinterest, and the challenges it presents. Despite the fact that he'd only hurt her, and use her to hurt the friends she cares about. She could have become Eggman’s most tragic henchman because she can’t help but love her creator, no matter what he becomes, even though it goes against everything that makes her who she is as an individual and breaks her little heart. This transformation could have been a powerful commentary on the destructive power of unconditional love when directed towards a someone that just doesn't care about anyone but themselves. And from there, after enough time of Belle at her lowest point, there would be yet more potential for the writers to explore. Do you make her worse, becoming more and more evil in a bid to gain her father's approval, validation, his love? How would she and Sage interact in this situation, if they ever decided to include her in the comics?
Couldn't Tails just reprogram her.
He's a mechanic not a software developer.
He's whatever the plot demands him to be, can build or program whatever.
He seemed to reprogram General just fine.
Turning Tails into Jimmy Neutron was a mistake.
He also just created a fake Chaos Emerald on a whim. Not sure what that falls under, but I doubt that's just mechanics.
>Jimmy Neutron
That's just how fictional geniuses are, they rarely have specializations, they just kinda have a general intelligence level of 'really smart' and can do anything vaguely sciency.
I think Eggman's tech should be an exception, it's too convenient if Tails can just reprogram any of Eggman's work.
The Fake Emerald in Adventure 2 was all Tails.
Okay.
Yes
>Belle should have acknowledged that Eggman is, in fact, her father
But he isn't, are you stupid?
When you explore characters on a conceptual level, deeper interpretations can be unearthed. Try to think for yourself and grasp the concept that Dr. Eggman, for all intents and purposes, represents Belle's fullest realization of her creator. Her maker's essence lies in his scientific mind that conceived and sculpted her very being. A mind that's truest form in his Eggman persona. He built her as Mr. Tinker, but what is Mr. Tinker but a diminished, amnesiac form of Dr. Eggman? Not a separate entity. As a machine born for unconditional service, clinging solely to his Mr. Tinker persona misses her entire point, rendering her without purpose on a narrative level. It misses the reality that, as designed, her creator's true identity warrants her devotion as much as a false identity does. It's still the same man. My scenario suggests she should acknowledge difficult truths, not deny them, A notion apparently lost on you. The continued dumbing down of modern storytelling has truly led to profoundly stupid consumers.
You sound stupid.
They don't but you sure do.
Okay but Eggman isn't Bruce Banner where he has a bunch of alternate egos floating around in a vault that writers can pull out when needed.
Tinker was a temporary, separate personality that was overwriting Eggman's true self. And it only happened because of outside circumstances (seemingly BRAIN DAMAGE). Then they undid it.
If Tinker was supposed to show there's good in Eggman, or that there's a point in Belle trying to bring it out, they really fricked it up,
Think of the divergence from Tinker to Eggman as akin to sequentially branched computer coding. Tinker, though Belle's initial point of origin, was ultimately an early off-chute of a persona adopted by Robotnik. A limited prototype persona compared to Robotnik's fuller, more nuanced source code from which he was compiled. Tinker could be seen as Robotnik beta level 1.0; well-intentioned yet functionally incomplete without the refining additions of later milestones. Eggman is Robotnik 2.0, the more complexly developed finalized build. Ultimately, both Tinker and Eggman branch from Robotnik, but Eggman is the accurate manifestation of Robotnik's true underlying algorithm all along, Belle's creator or "father" in the truest sense, the base framework upon which earlier test versions, like Tinker, were momentary forks. To put it more simply, Belle should feel compelled toward the man himself, rather than a persona the man may adapt, regardless of the preferences Robotnik gave her when he was Mr. Tinker.
Okay, but that makes Sonic a complete moron for thinking he can be changed, then.
The solution is to not engage in these types of stories unless you have a solid idea where you're ending up.
>idw gives eggman a daughter
>completely fumble her character
>nobody cares
>sega gives eggman a daughter
>will never use her again
>everyone loves her and don't realize she'll never come back because sega hates bringing back characters
Considering that Sega brought her back for the Frontiers DLC, I hope she return in the next game.
If shes a robot her feet cant smell so I have no interest unlike Surge
Birch. Pine. Maple. Wood/floor polisher.
>We will never see Bell lovingly squish handfulls of some sort of berries (from the forest) against herself, her upper body, her limbs, stepping in the mush that falls to the shower floor, until she's covered in buckets worth of red/pink slime. She'll lean against the wall, her thought balloon narrating that the sighs are because it's so relaxing, and that she's working it into her ball joints. All as a way to avoid nudity in comic books, of course!
But how does one beep the sheep?
Well, you have to be firm for starters.
May i request more of this sheep girl.
She really is stacked in canon, huh?
Bless IDW.
This is fanart, but yeah, the final revision of her design made it unambiguous that she's got noticable boobs. Her designer goes way overboard in his own art but the other artists reel it in a bit.
Her designer goes overboard, and the fans reel it in? This feels weird.
No, the other official artists. Like, Evan and Tom draw her smaller by a significant amount. Mar tones it down a bit. Adam keeps bumping it up as he goes.
we really need more neutral characters that cause a bit of friction with the main cast.
(the boobs are just a nice bonus)
She isn't even causing friction herself so far, which sucks. Let her be a b***h. Stop coddling online autists, have her be fricking MEAN.
Somebody draw Lanolin putting down the "No Fun Allowed" sign. The writers need to go all in on her being the fun police for Sonic, I bet she'd be more popular as a result.
She already is, practically. Sally 2.0.
I feel like people have their own warped preconception on what Sally’s character is or how it was executed then how she is actually meant to be, Sally is no where near as strict or as much of a consistent hardass as Lanolin seems to be characterised
I think it's neat how Sonamy shippers have psyopd people into believing Sally wasn't a good character.
So what you're saying is Sally doesn't matter unless shipping is involved.
If nothing else people would talk more.
I think making her "no nonsense" isn't as fun as making her mean as shit. You run the risk of her being like Hamlin in Archie where the readers don't care about her problems because she's purely a hatesink. If you make her fricking mean, people get to vent about her being a b***h while other readers justify it and talk about her positive qualities.
Make interpersonal tension, not a plot wienerblocker.
thump thump thump
>stupid lemur and her annoying friends
thump thump thump
>always causing a ruckus
thump thump thump
>can't read my books in peace
thump thump thump
>frick you tangle
Fricking A!
Thanks Anon.
Does she mog Rouge?
They intentionally do not draw them in close proximity to each other. They know you'll compare them.
Unless ABT is drawing Rouge at the time, yes.
I dunno, he's really been pushing it.
Nice bags under the eyes there.
Yeah, and the dark circles under her eyes are cute too.
Ba dum tssh.
Some good fan art.
Is it fan art when it's the official artist?
Yes because it's not paid for nor constrained by rules.
Wait, that's official?
Drawn by one of the book's artists, anyway. Hasn't been in any comics or art books.
Good lord.
Shes so fricking stacked.
Fiona Fox, my beloved....
Is she gonna rape Tails before she turns?
Tangle a cute. I wish she wasn't wasted on Shitsper.
Whispers breedable I wish she wasnt wasted on tingle.
Which Idw girl has the smelliest feet?
A flop of a character who is overall. Rendered completely obsolete with the presence of Sage.
I'm disappointed that there was never a modpack that could turn Sage into Omelette.
cute clown
Purrfection
Frick amy Sonic deserves better.
Yeah, her:
Blaze cant even cook a simple meal without burning it.
She makes a bomb ass cup of tea though.
>tfw no woman that is trying to conquer you in every possible way
She is raping Sonic.
Good
Frick Sonic. Amy deserves better!
How did this become so popular?
Surge is basically Shadow but for Amy.
Also Punk Tomboy Girl x Genki Girl is a common yuri ship for a reason.
So it's not actually real then.
No ship is "real". Apparently its a mandate that no important character can actually be in a relationship.
Amy Surge though is popular as all hell and is starting to rival Blaze x Amy and Tangle x Whisper in regards to yuri ships.
Except Tangle x Whisper is actually real.
Its "implied" they're together but its been officially stated that they're not actually in a romantic relationship. Again. Because mandates.
Bisexuals exist anon.
In entertainment, they don't. Breaking up a gay relationship for a straight one even if the character is bi is a big no no.
Not in comics. Bisexual women are just lesbians.
This is manga though. Also Ochako is still in love with Deku (same for Toga Too. Toga is just in love with both Deku and Ochako a the same time).
Deku is the main character, right?
Yes.
Huh. He could get a three-way. Nice.
If you actually knew Toga, you wouldn't be so quick to say that.
I...do not know Toga, no.
Let's just say I wish she was interested in you.
Oh, crazy then. Alright.
Characters like Amy and Surge are commonly shipped in Yuri manga for a reason. Also Surge can basically be viewed as "Dark Amy". Sort of similar hair/quill styles.
Obsessed with Sonic but in regards to hate rather than love. It just fits.
Is this image based on something?
My Hero Academia. Himiko Toga and Ochaco Uraraka
Oh, I didn't know Ochaco was a lesbian.
Blah, blah, blah, C.S. Lewis friendship quote.
Revolver Ocelot
Why does this even matter?
Why would anyone even give answers to this unless it came up in the story? Just let kids ship whoever they want, for frick's sake.
Someone asked Ian their sexualities on his podcast and that's what he told them.
Sometimes you have to just say "That's nice, I'm not answering that."
You can’t do that in today’s internet or you’re something-phobic.
Does anyone like the 'by the way this characters was totes [insert some reveal]' posthumous reveals by writers on twitter or a podcast or whatever?
The chronically online.
>shape shifter
>asexual
what a waste
Tbh, i could get where they're coming from....
This changes my mind about their potential in fiction.
Agreed there's so much that could be done with the character, like have him turn into Rouge and then make out with the original.
Starline is too gay for that plan. He'd ask for Vector or Big instead.
Then explain the part of the comic where he hypnotizes Rouge to do his bidding?
He's a master hypnotist and a superiority complex to match Eggman of course he would become obsessed.
>He's a master hypnotist
Not really, he just developed a device that let him use the Warp Topaz to do so, and the effects were very temporary. Surge and Kit were constantly re-hypnotized just to keep his experiment going.
He didn't give anything to base the compulsion to kill Sonic in Surge and that's why it failed, if he spun a at least a basic sob story like: "Sonic killed your parents" then maybe he wouldn't have so much trouble but his inability to understand other people fricked him over.
So yeah, shitty hypnotist.
I wonder if Starline was meant to be autistic, because he couldn't comprehend the fact Sonic and Tails' bond was built on friendship and trust alongside complimentary abilities, all he could see was the latter because it was tangible physical data. Or maybe he just had no friends ever.
>According to Ian.
Not Ian, Evan Stanley.
evan stanley the homie who draws sonic characters with nice feet? Based as frick.
It was Ian who answered that on his podcast, unless Evan also said the same thing on her Tumblr or something.
At least they didn't screw up the old characters. They made new characters and screwed those up in quiet ways.
You would not believe how much Tails gay porn there is in places online. Whisper and Tangle are a very small price to pay. And they're kind of cuter that way. "They think that nobody knows."
>they're kind of cuter that way.
Lesbians are trite at this point.
Do you have the clip? I kind of want to hear the question and why he'd answer(plus checking if true anons do be lying)
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>Q:Just a fun thought experiment, but which of the Diamond Cutters are the most likely to be LGBTQIA+ and who would be what?
Ian: Claire was kind of sort of hinted to have a thing for Mimic so she's straight. I would imagine Smithy is as well, but this is headcanon and stuff. If you want to think of them any way you want, go for it. The internet seems to have collectively agreed Whisper is at least gay. Slinger is bi, why not. Mimic, I don't want to say asexual, just I don't think he cares about other people at all. It's not really a LGBT+ thing, it's just he doesn't have the desire to make interpersonal connections.
Kyle: Doesn't strike me as the type.
Ugh. Do people these fricking days never just see the world outside a lens of DEI representation? Everyone has to be gay, bi, trans, asexual, etc.
It's exhausting. Just write a fricking character and have them HAPPEN to be X or Y, but otherwise shut the frick up about it.
That's why I hate that the writers have embraced the Tandle x Whisper shit. If it happened on its own, without any outside influence, then whatever. I don't see them like that, but whatever.
But now these characters are forever going to be remembered as the token lesbian couple and all their interactions will be 90% reminding you of how gay together they are and less about actual story writing.
The modern age is exhausting, and these characters deserve better.
Evan Stanley somehow never grew out of the mindset of a 16 year old female Sonic fan.
It's not just the NEED to have LGBT-related themes in her writing, it's also cringy levels of "edge" and trying hard to make "the most serious and thought-provoking Sonic story in the history of ever". Ghosts of the Future reeked of this.
>If it happened on its own, without any outside influence
Considering the no romance rule, no chance of that happening.
Calm the frick down buddy, it's just trivia for some background characters who are dead. No different than answering what's their favorite pizza topping.
>Making the Octopus asexual
That kinda makes sense (octopuses die after mating)
Octopi.
Raping Mimic to death!
Monkey girl was actually into Mimic, when he was looking at their past memories on Whisper's mask she said something about seeing a positive future with him.
He certainly wasn't into her
>Ocelot
>not being the gayest gay to ever exist
Doubt
Big bi energy.
Sassy.
Looking forward to this OC.
More military toons.
Ah yes, what I've always wanted to see in a Sonic the Hedgehog comic, melodrama featuring crying lesbians!
take your meds
So, post reboot Sally?
Yup!
>whataboutism
Me too. This is great stuff. I love big emotions. And lesbians.
This is the worst image to use as an example of Whisper always crying, because in this case she is crying as a result of Cream, as IDW Cream has the characteristic to make others cry.
My favorite part of Sonic Battle was when Cream wouldn't shut the frick up and gave one of her trademark inspiring speeches.
Ian's understanding of the cast has been thoroughly warped by fandom.
So watching female characters cry is like confirmed to be some staff member's fetish at this point right?
They literally just made up a character gimmick in an existing character to facilitate this further.
No, the writers just don't understand drama and default to crying for any tense scene. Hypnotism/Corruption is Ian's fetish.
Why does it seem to exclusively apply to female characters though? Sonic cried like once in Scrapnik Island and they wrote a literal excuse as to why it happened.
That was Daniel Barnes, not Ian or Evan.
Because Sonic can't cry. Also
>Hypnotism/Corruption is Ian's fetish.
What the frick, I love Ian now.
Post some examples.
Man, have you ever read a single Sonic comic? Corruption is the go-to. Almost every goddamn story arc has it.
It's incredible how this series immediately devolves into Steven Universe nonsense the moment Ian has any sort of control.
Steven Universe didn't even become the Crying Lesbian Hour until like three seasons in. And plenty of the boohooing is on other writers.
Maybe it's a consequence on obsessing over a series for too long? I leave this shir alone for like half a year at a time and the melodrama comes off really weird. Like the zombie stuff was so strange. Why were these fuzzy mascot critters so immediately depressed? Shouldn't they be trying to stay positive but look a bit worn down?
Do you gays ever stop seething about Ian? You guys are more obsessed over him then trump supporters are with biden and trans people. Your comic is dead. Archie was never good you are viewing it with rose tinted glasses. Get the frick over it.
I feel like if they hate him, they wouldn't want Archie back either. I just get bummed that the dude's deteriorated. I wish he'd get better.
I wish he would get a glock and shoot all these homosexuals spamming in the threads.
I mean fair enough. Still, I really do wish Sonic comics were better. They're the only stable source of funny animal action adventure stories kids have in comics.
At least there's Dogman, even if that's not really the same.
I don't give a flying FRICK about Archie, and I imagine the only people capable of enjoying IDW are the ones that do. I just think Ian's a godawful writer regardless, and he's doing way more harm than good.
He's been hands off for a few years now. Last year he just did the first two issues of the (really bad) Egg city arc and some backups. This year he's doing the Fang mini.
>He's been hands off for a few years now.
Yeah, he's working on the games now, and BOY does it show.
>devolves into Steven Universe nonsense the moment Ian has any sort of control.
So what's the rest's excuse?
When Archie had crying none of you say anything, but the moment someone in IDW cries it's suddenly something to whine about.
No, Archie got bad on this shit too, it just took a while for people to realize. Nicole sucks ass and the fandom praise of her set an awful precedent.
Nicole actually did shit other than cry. She had her own superform and battled an evil virus in the postboot.
Whisper and Belle just show up, cry a bit about their tragic pasts, and then abruptly leave. It leads nowhere, their backstories never tie into the plot, and they never do anything else.
>conveniently not mentioning Sally
The guy I was replying to didn't mention her, either. But she at least led missions, fought various bad guys, and managed to KO Mammoth Mogul once. She had a lot of annoying melodrama and is a pretty divisive character, but she did other things.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The IDW villains are ass. Mimic, Clutch, Rough, Tumble, Surge, and Kit wouldn't last five seconds against Sonic. He could probably take them all at once.
Ian doesn't like villains that are stronger than Eggman or can undermine him.
>Ian doesn't like villains that are stronger than Eggman or can undermine him.
Eh, a lot of Eggmangays I know wouldn't say that about IDW Eggman.
All nicole did was give me a boner with her massive feet
Maybe if IDW gave Sonic and friends more foes to fight instead of one villain at a time we would have a reason for such a huge cast.
Gold was a bad OC and I'm glad we didn't see more of her
The thing about Ian is that he's godawful at making villains. Same with Evan especially since she seems to not resist trying to make villains overly sympathetic unless they're mindless beasts. All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people. Starline was the only half-decent villain Ian created and he was fricking killed off.
>All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people.
They weren't loved until Ian wrote them.
The super form was at the very end of the book and existed to wank her as a fan fave.
I hated how wimpy they made Nicole in the preboot when she got her new form and her nanites. Glad the reboot scratched that out.
I won't say which one but judging from her taste in animu I can immediately guess she's one of those weird women who like melodramatic villains/plot lines and zero in on characters who cry like once or twice and completely interpret them into being a little b***h boy (of course it's a boy). I'll bet she's the type that amps the melodrama up like a diary entry too, as if self inserting, I've seen it a lot in that fandom unfortunately. All people seem to take from that fandom (which is unsurprisingly filled with fujos) is "uwu trauma" and her writing is no different.
I wonder if people are aware that Ian's run on Archie is only revered because of all the garbage that came before while working off the foundations set by other people.
Ian and Evan's problem are that they come from a fanfic background and that explains all the weird writing quirks they have (and the complaining about having oversight)
That's basically why Shadow is such a difficult character for them.
>Ian and Evan's problem are that they come from a fanfic background and that explains all the weird writing quirks they have (and the complaining about having oversight)
This is exactly it, getting to basically write whatever they wanted and being so used to the lack of care from both Archie and Sega made them complacent. This applies more to Ian in an official setting since Evan was only an artist on Archie IIRC but she does have a similar background with "dark" melodramatic fanfics.
They both unfortunately are stuck in their own unwelcome agendas, Ian to keep the SatAM/Archie values in any shape or form possible, and Evan to inject LGBT themes in whenever possible.
Yeah, Ian's a bit too Archiebrained to write such a game derived comic.
>I hated how wimpy they made Nicole in the preboot when she got her new form and her nanites.
Yeah, Nicole got oddly demure when she got her lynx body even though she was very sassy as a handheld prior.
I have never heard anything truly positive about this character from anyone that isn't just jerking off to her. I could say the same about almost every other OC from this comic except maybe Surge.
>I wonder if people are aware that Ian's run on Archie is only revered because of all the garbage that came before while working off the foundations set by other people.
One hundred fricking percent. It's this and the fact that someone who was familiar with and kinda gave a shit about the series was in charge of the comics (Ken was not super familiar with the Sonic games and I think most other writers were the same way, just contractors hired to write random stories).
>Ken was not super familiar with the Sonic games and I think most other writers were the same way, just contractors hired to write random stories
Before Sonic Adventure there wasn't a whole lot of story to actually adapt. Really the comic should have just ended at 50, it would have been perfectly timed.
>When Archie had crying none of you say anything
This homie didn't read The Ride
Ian's kinda sexist. It's weird and nobody talks about it.
But Evan does it too.
I'm not just talking about girls crying. He's got a weird hangup on characters like Amy.
You must mean the whole thing about him writing female characters too masculine.
No, I mean how he feels like certain traits in girls aren't ok. Amy needs to be an all rounder because her being a bit clumsy or not terribly clever is... bad?
All the IDW OCs are extremely pointless.
>Tangle never develops as a character or as a hero. Stuck in this limbo where she only exists as Whisper’s comfort pillow to cry into.
>Whisper never gets over her trauma. Claims to be a successful mercenary but all she does is cry. Had an entire story where Shadow Androids (the actual killers of her old team) were featured but instead of growing as a character by confronting them she instead cries in a corner with the rest of the diamond cutters and discuss their feelings.
>Lanolin is another mercenary who is supposedly competent yet we never see than on-panel. She nearly dies on her first mission yet still acts like she has experience for some reason.
>Surge and Kit are basically on the same level as Rough and Tumble. Joke villains who can never match up to the main characters and exist just to get made fun of.
Take your meds archie had worse characters
What the frick does Betty and Veronica’s comic have to do with Sonic? Take your meds you schizo.
No it didn't. Even the characters IDW ripped off from Archie are considerably worse:
>Starline was a vlogging dunderhead, Finitevus was a menacing mastermind who fricked over the entire cast with Knuxerjak
>Surge is a crying frickup who jobbed three times in a row, Scourge managed wins over Sonic and Shadow and fricked up the whole cast with his Super-form
>the Restoration are just crying dykes, while Bunnie and Antoine have a cute romance and actually fight people and do heroic stuff
Not to mention Nicole, who is about 5x more useful than any of the Restoration, even before she had her lynx form.
>No it didn't.
It had Tommy Turtle.
and it knew how worthless Tommy Turtle was to rightfully killed him off
>Butthurt arsechie gay
Cry more about your shit series being rebooted. Youre like a boomer yelling at kids to get off his lawn
Cope, IDW won't last half as long.
Cope, Idw cast has been mentioned in the games. Theyll be added to the mainline games. Something sally gaycorn never got.
It took like 10 years for a central character like Cream to finally get a spotlight one game again. Getting playable versions of Tails, Amy, and Knuckles in Frontiers was shocking. Sega still hates Sonic’s friends. No comic shitter has any chance of actually getting a big role in a game when they are competing against longtime game characters. Off-screen mentions are the best they can hope for.
Tldr
Tangle and Whisper are playable characters in the mobile games. That’s something.
the mobile games don't count for shit, it's just tossing in a model with the same animations as everybody else and calling it a day.
Surge is in the mobile games too, but Kit isn't. Pretty telling isn't it.
>the mobile games don't count for shit
Then how come the archie characters never showed up in a mobile game?
Eh, I liked Starline just as much as Finitevus.
Starline could've worked had he had ample time to establish more to his character than just "Eggman fanboy with a McGuffin". Imagine him pretending to be an ally to Sonic while he was secretly planning to take both Tinker and the Chaos Emeralds from under him. It would've been the perfect chance to show off his character traits while giving Sonic more than enough reason to spit on his inevitable demise.
As is, he's more of a character than a plot device.
>As is, he's more of a character than a plot device.
Other way around, you get my point.
>Starline could've worked had he had ample time
People have been saying this shit about Ian's stories for nearly 20 years and it still boggles my mind.
No. Starline did not need more time. Starline needed his story to be focused and actually give the reader catharsis. You could tell his entire story in four issues and it could be much better than what we got. Even the way he died was fine, but the actual execution of the moment sucked ass. Even the ART was on point for it: Adam drew him seething and freaking out, but it didn't land because the surrounding context and dialogue was ASS.
Thing is, his story lacks focus because he was given no time. The fact that he randomly got all seven Chaos Emeralds with no explanation except to push the plot along is the perfect example of that.
You really don't need to give Starline even more screen time to get his story across.
>You could tell his entire story in four issues and it could be much better than what we got
You guys wouldn't bother talking about him if it was.
Someone in this thread brought up Hood and that guy didn't do shit. Bunnie's Uncle was one of the most memorable Archie villains and he's in like three issues.
Neither one had a full satisfying story so what's your point? As usual the talking points are only about the potential that we lost.
Starlings arc is perfect frick off
Belle is a shitty rip off of Boing Kid, everyone knows that!
>vomic lesbian
Geno looking b***h
Man isn't if funny that besides for yurishitters everyone has accepted that surge is just a loser bottom meant to be bullied.
Bro she has a lot more dom art. I just like bondage. take it from me im a giga coomer.
I know but most of it is yuri if you pay attention, also yeah most of her art is her bottoming both nsfw or safework. At best she's not topping or bottoming just being the punk girl.
Heh is it wrong I'm rooting for him? He should just join sonic and the two blue bros correct her.
But yeah def mostly popular for being hot, she lost most of her intimidation factor long ago. Also yeah but shadow is bad but isn't mostly portrayed as a bottom, while surge art usually makes her a trauma baby. She either needs a hug, put in her place, crying or just being punk but everyone treats her like one of the guys or just a minor annoyance. She literally has become a villain of the week type while being a main arc villain kek
But is that because she's a bad guy, therefore is mandated to always lose to Sonic, or because she's yet another girl in a comic that has had such a steady stream of them, or because people are rooting for Beta Boy Kitsune?
Nice one.
Who would their android 16 be?
Starlines' attempt to make his own Sage.
Who cares? When they going to get vored and murdered by Starline’s Cell?
Here's hoping.
Presumably after Starline comes back to life as the same kind of superbeing as his prior creations and gets killed off for good, like Gero did.
Look at the design of this thing and tell me it ever could’ve been anything but an awful character
Very easily. Characters can be fugly but still interesting.
But she isn’t even charming ugly or mishapen but with a lot of heart, she just has an awful design. I’d rather see a Gulper Eel as a Sonic character then some crybaby clown nose, pinocchio piece of shit
You don't need a good design to be a good character.
Yeah but she hasn’t got a good design or a good character, sometimes a bad design also just essentially dooms a character to be unviable for any writer to want to use them or fans to want to see them get used well
Need more cowbelle.
failed OC
Lanolin vs Ariem. Who wins?
They're both really boring. I wish either of them participated in an actual story.
character overly hated for no reason
Introduce Starline Nega.
She could be more interesting, but so could all the IDW characters
Ian is a gigachad for writing for mainline games now while you chuds whine about crying lesbians. This homie is gonna be in charge of sonic writing for the next 20 years.
>His script for Frontiers was considered so simpleminded that Kishimoto changed it for the japanese version to add more nuance.
They changed it because a 1 for 1 translation isnt possible you fricking tard. Go learn about how translations work, and while youre at it learn why your parents disowned you.
Nope. You're wrong, Lord Stupid. Read and weep.
>read between the lines
That sounds like something some turbo autist who smells his own farts would say.
I wish I knew enough about this to understand what he's talking about.
He’s calling Americans moronic and the interviewer didn’t catch it.
What is the interviewer supposed to do? Be unprofessional and say "Screw you, man..."?
Is this an "automatic Google translate" interview? Or it is actually in Engrish?
Japan was first.
>add more nuance
You mean more mistakes?
It wasn't, english version was first.
>Kishimoto changed it for the japanese version to add more nuance
From what I remember, a majority of Kishimoto's changes involved removing most of Ian's callbacks and references to previous games since Sonic isn't very popular in Japan, meaning most native players wouldn't have understood what was being referenced. He said this in a couple interviews around the game's release.
I have no idea what that that other machine-translated interview is trying to say.
Whatever potential she had exploded and a tiny animal burst out the moment Surge and Kit appeared.
You mean Sage? Surge and Kit aren’t anything like Belle.
And then Surge and Kit ended up being a whole lot of nothing, with Surge only staying popular because people like to make her lesbians with Amy while Kit doesn't even get to be in mobile game crap.
Surge is popular cus shes hot. Almost not one wants to ship her with amy. Theres way more straight surge porn than lesbian. I know this for a fact.
Why seek conclusions when you can be evergreen? Besides, it's still open what directly interacting with Metal's code did to her.
Useless version of Sage
She’s whatever, but better than sage who is actually garbage.
>pic
Great comic
Why has their been a long break for the comic?
They made the Fang the hunter side comic I think.
This. They also wanted to give the artists a break for a few months.
>we want to give the freelance artists a break by completely putting them out of work for several months
You are a colossal moron if you believe that for even a second.
That was the line, anyway. Believe it if you want.
If I did believe it I would think IDW was either run by morons or evil people.
>mandatory vacations for our employees in a recession! We are so generous!
Who?
Is that still going on, at this point they must be on the other side of it right?
One more issue
Part of the long financial implosion of IDW.
I thought those were fur.
Now compare the skin tones of Rouge, Cream, and Blaze.
>winner gets Sonic's dick
>Marine waits for them to wear each other out then knocks them out with a ki blast
teh rei
Looks good in the jacket, though.
How the frick is IDW going to cope with the franchise going all in on Shadow now? This comic has been relentless to the character, it would seem like such a weird backpedal to try and synergize out of nowhere but it would look like they can't read the room if they do nothing.
This wouldn't be an issue if they just treated the character normally.
By not doing anything about it at all.
>This wouldn't be an issue if they just treated the character normally.
What exactly does treating Shadow normally mean? He hasn't done shit in the games for years now.
I'd say IDW's treatment of Shadow has been par for the course of the franchise for the last 10 to 15 years or so. The franchise as a whole is backpedaling on him now, it won't just be IDW.
Forces actually treated him well. He was actually close to Omega and Rouge. He also kicked Infinite’s ass so hard he’s still crying about it.
If IDW Shadow were in Forces he would be yelling at Rouge and then job to infinite pre-phantom ruby.
>Forces actually treated him well
>missing for 6 months
Remember when Shadow was written to be a drooling moron in the Metal Virus arc because Ian was busy having a tantrum since he couldn't make his le epic Sonic 06 reference?
No one cares
Ian was going to write him like that regardless of using the inhibitor rings.
https://twitter.com/TheMirabilez/status/1562447592939667457
I dunno, not using as a punching bag is a start. Literally just not using him is a better move. He's a strange character to use as a scapegoat, I don't care if you like him or not. Both Forces and Prime seemed to treat him seriously.
>Literally just not using him is a better move
Evan is the only one insisting on using him.
..Did you know?
What a nice kid. I hope he isn't targeted by any lusty female bats.
Well he isn’t luckily despite what sex deprived artists, self-inserters and deluded pedophiles think
Not going to deny the strange thoughts of anons with /ss/ tendencies... but I'm pretty sure Tails has have successful romantic relationships across several media (canon, in the real meaning of the word, I mean).
>but I'm pretty sure Tails has have successful romantic relationships across several media
Who else but Zooey?
>Cosmo
You said successful.
I guess Mina, if you count crappy what if futures.
Even if it ended in tragedy, Cosmo is still a successful romance in which both parties reciprocated.
The reciprocation only came after she died though.
Someone post that "I am Cosmo" dancing pic to give me hope
Zooey wasn’t a successful romance. They were only pen-pals.
Silence, Ian.
I don't know where people get that pen pal comment from, I've never seen it.
Ian called it that on his podcast years ago.
And no one has been able to point the specific one out.
Yeah but those are with people close to his age and who he has genuinely interacted with beyond a superficial level
>tails trying to avoid her
FOOL
sigma balls
Shadow sissies still mad their self insert/husbando didn't win all the fights and be flawless? Losers, get over it already.
He's lost every fight and literally fed himself to a pile of zombies, dude. IDW Shadow is portrayed as a fricking tard.
Good frick this homie. He wasnt good since adventure 2.
Since I heard about "the year of Shadow", I have wondered if the character had a rich history or whatever in the comics.
He was decent in Archie. He suffered under Penders' pen, but who didn't?
>All the villains you saw and loved in Archie were created by other people.
It's true, strangely enough. Finitevus, Scourge, Fiona, Mogul, etc. were all other people's creations that Ian repurposed into better villains. When he comes up with a villain from scratch, he sucks.
He apparently doesn't like villains who can undermine or challenge Sonic, either.
Ian works best when it's with other peoples ideas. There's no shame in that either, I wish there was more writers or more Sonic books to build up a real ocean of ideas for the future.
Even with other people's ideas, he can easily fall into his worst habits. His Unleashed arc in Archie was godawful.
No his unleashed arc in Archie was fantastic. A perfect blend of all the of Sonic through out the media, (minus Underground).
>bloated to shit arc that lasted three whole years
>Werehog was a superpowered evil side Sonic has to take control of with Day spirit bullshit, despite that being the OPPOSITE of how the werehog works in the game. Seriously, this ruins one of the best scenes in the game and fricks up the theme entirely
>Chip gets spoiled of his identity immediately by fricking Tikal
>Chip himself has zero room for development when he's constantly fighting for the spotlight with the freedom fighters, who just take up space like its Kingdom Hearts
>It's so bad Chip has to have flashbacks of scenes that LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED. Flynn just made shit up on the spot and pretended like that was character development
Yeah, no. Most of the issues plaguing Flynn's modern work can be found in that arc. It's just not as severe as IDW, but you can see the complacency in his writing take hold by this point.
As a fan of the Unleashed arc, I agree, there SHOULD have been scenes of Chip hanging with the FFs, cute little one shots and the like.
>there SHOULD have been scenes of Chip hanging with the FFs
At that point the Freedom Fighters were only kept around to keep longtime fans placated, there was really just nothing for them to do as far as mingling with Sega-made plots went.
It helped that Sonic Universe had cool arcs like Shadow Fall at that time.
Ian made Mordred Hood tho, the greatest Sonic character ever put to page
The sub-bosses idea was so good, Eggman needs cronies both to show the world isn't cut between good and evil and so the heroes can actually thrash somebody that can fail.
But Eggman can totally fail, it's just that you can't kill him/get rid of him permenantly in some way
don't know or care about this shit, but this character looks like a FOTM OC meme character like bowsette
It's the complete opposite.
Do you think she be like Penny Polendina from RWBY?
He's so handsome
you're such a homosexual
test
Wood.
She's cute but Surge is cuter.
How will IDW react to Keanudow?
they won't. nothing in the series reacted to the chipmunks movies at all
Aside from a prequel one shot they made for the sequel.
She looks like she could play around in the Himalayas for hours and she would be perfectly fine!
This one discussion reminds me of when that particular Anon decided to die on the "Tails and Sonic are not friends" hill.
What's next, Sonic has no concept of family?
My favourite is still the moral guardians and rouge, which was... Frick, I think that was from when the Zombots Slog was ongoing. That thread was hilarious.
Wife :3
Are any of the games/comics cannon to the IDW comics? I just recently started getting into these since a friend got me try the free train murder mystery, started on the IDW stuff but might check out some of the others things if they're interwoven/connected at all.
All the games are canon to the comics. As long as the comic is made under IDW, then it's canon to the main comic series. No other publisher Sonic comic is connected to it.
>All the games are canon to the comics.
Impossible. Origins explicitly replaces the Genesis games in nuSega "canon." Spinball contains the Freedom Fighters.
IDW Comics are 'canon' to the games.
It's all so stupid.
>Boring comic that panders to yuritroons
Pass
Can anyone clear up the whole "muh SEGA mandates" thing?
How much have they actually affected the writing of IDW Sonic?
Short, short version?
>The mandates are a bunch of directives given from Sega to IDW (or the company in turn) about how their IP characters and settings have to be handled.
>They were heavily reworked since the Reboot Archie Era after the Pendering (If the rework was caused due to the Pendering or was an inevitable event, remains uncertain).
>Ian and similar writers shield their less effective writing by blaming the Mandates on it, basically saying "They don't allow us to do anything!"
>Ian and similar writers shield their less effective writing by blaming the Mandates on it, basically saying "They don't allow us to do anything!"
and how much of that shielding is valid?
Depends on your bias.
Whenever the team submits their pitches for the comics they get back notes from Sega that says "Don't do this" or "This character wouldn't do this" etc. They re-edit the scripts until they get passed. Some of these notes become consistent enough to consider as a mandate such as "Sonic can't cry" or "No romance". Sometimes these mandates have loopholes such as Sonic crying in Scrapnik Island but it's framed as Mecha Sonic crying through him or pitching two characters who are already a couple is fine. Sometimes they're not any loopholes like with "No humans" or the Classic Sonic embargo. Sometimes they can change after a few years like Team Dark being a thing in Archie but not in IDW. What can be yes today can be no tomorrow, like Ian having permission to include Chaos in the first arc but getting no before the part came out. Sometimes Sega unexpectedly gives ideas like Starline's final attack, Blaze's castle, or Vecnilla.
We only know these things because people ask Ian and others behind the scenes stuff on his podcast constantly why we don't have this or can't do that. Some people here already dislike the staff so they'll take it as if they're just making up excuses. Some wrongly believe the mandates mean they can't do literally anything. Ian has said multiple times that's its not all give and take and they're not shackled on every little thing, but no one actually watches his podcast so that nuance is lost on people. Don't believe either extreme side and ask for sources.
>Can anyone clear up the whole "muh SEGA mandates" thing?
Almost any time you work for a company (especially one with a mascot) they tend to have restrictions on how you use certain characters. Can't have Mario or Mickey go Columbine or something. Ian just brings more attention to them than most writers due to his background.
And the Pendering making it far more of an issue.
I started to hate Archie and its fans. Its like discussing Back to the Future as franchise and having to constantly deal with Rick & Morty fans.
That is not a valid comparison cause those are two seperate franchises loosely connected as opposed to just seperate continuities or adaptions
I wish Scratch and Grounder were in the comics.
I hear they gave Vanilla the Ara-Ara treatment. Is this true?
Yeah, the comic tends to indulge in the fan-interpretations of characters, hence how Surge ended up becoming lesbo-bait.
May i see some Vanilla fan service then?
It's just Vanilla feeding Vector some chinese food, nothing to get excited about.
Not even some shots of her curves?
She hasn’t had a story with Tails in IDW yet no
Neither character died in those few issues. We're talking about a story where Starline just came in and died in 4 issues. Hood and Baron were 2 characters with continuing stories that got cut short. It's not the same thing and you know it.
You're right, if a character suddenly died for shock value, nobody would EVER discuss the "wasted potential" of the character. They would just never speak of him again.
Are you moronic, btw? Unrelated.
It's not shock value when it's a short term character built to die. No one would give a shit about Hood or Baron if they died in a couple issues.
>People would just never talk about Beau again if he died in the Mighty story.
Wow, you really are moronic.
Yes they wouldn't.
You're right, one of the single most praised stories in the 30 years this comic has been running? Nobody would say a word about the antagonist if he died later. You cracked the code anon, people just stop discussing things once a character dies.
>Nobody would say a word about the antagonist if he died later.
You mean Jackrabbit? He was the antagonist of that story.
Jack was the antagonist of the SU arc. Beau was the antagonist of Thicker Than Water, for as much as that story has an antagonist.
>Beau was the antagonist of Thicker Than Water
He didn't do a single antagonistic thing, he helped Bunnie more than not. Jack was still the real one trying to blow them up and abusing the former robians.
People have been talking about Gamma for 25 years.
Shut the frick up.
Because it was a game and the majority of the ones after sucked.
holy samegay
>Too coward to point to the posts in question in case he's wrong.
Black person.