its obvious gaston didnt actually like belle and was only interested in her being the prettiest girl in town
but he obviously did not care about her interests and always steers the conversation back to him
It's one of those cases where they "tell you" but show you better ones.
Although your tastes can also influence, if you liked the girls in the tavern that Gaston lift, that is your decision.
>the prettiest girl in town
Literally, by default, not even in the top 3.
I think it wasn't even because she was the prettiest in anyone's opinion.
But since she was the only one who wasn't impressed by his hunting prowess or let herself be enchanted by his muscles, it's just an obsession of "why doesn't this b***h like me if all the others are dying for me?"
OR
He already tried every other woman in town and they all literally failed at his "traditional wife" ideal that he told Belle.
>its obvious gaston didnt actually like belle and was only interested in her being the prettiest girl in town
but he obviously did not care about her interests
sweetie, i..
No, that would’ve been a miserable life of servitude and isolation. Instead she gets to live a life of luxury in a castle married to a prince and she has many friends, no comparison there.
I like the idea of Gaston becoming a househusband. Committed to doing all the chores and all Belle has to do is praise him for it. Nobody cooks or cleans better than Gaston!
>Beast is angry >Pigheaded >A jerk
NO YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE! YOU HAVE TO BE FAIR AND NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER! >Gaston is great but brash >Willing to provide but isn't smart or wise (which is why he admires Belle) >Even though he can have any other woman who wants to pump and dump him, he wants a soul mate
EW NO HE IS AN INCEL JERK WHO DESERVES TO DIE! JUDGE HIS BOOK ALL THE TIME
When the Beast is a jerk, there's negative consequences for it and he usually feels bad about it. Belle gives him a chance because he makes an effort to act better. When Belle "rejects" the Beast by leaving the castle to go save her father from being sent to an insane asylum (something Gaston set up to blackmail Belle into marrying him btw), he lets her go because he loves her. When Gaston finds out Belle has rejected him in favor of somebody else, he decides to try and kill the person she chose over him.
>Have you guys even seen the movie?
They want to be Gaston, anon, so Gaston needs to be a good guy. they're probably reframing everything that happened in a Chad/Stacy context because they've been brain-poisoned from a decade or more on this shitheap website.
>Beast is angry >Pigheaded >A jerk
NO YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE! YOU HAVE TO BE FAIR AND NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER! >Gaston is great but brash >Willing to provide but isn't smart or wise (which is why he admires Belle) >Even though he can have any other woman who wants to pump and dump him, he wants a soul mate
EW NO HE IS AN INCEL JERK WHO DESERVES TO DIE! JUDGE HIS BOOK ALL THE TIME
You cannot discuss with women on Cinemaphile or anywhere on social media really, women are really fricking stupid and incapable of realizing cooking or cleaning isn't slavery
All the people in Belle's hometown thought she was a frickin' weirdo and all the people in the castle were nice to her. Granted, they had an ulterior motive for doing so, but they also did let her leave when she wanted to.
Belle didn't think she deserved special treatment, she just wanted to live her life on her own terms.
>in the town she grew up in
Stopped reading there. Post discarded.
Belle and Maurice talk about how they’ve felt like outsiders in the town “ever since we came here.” The townspeople echo this and say “ever since Belle came here.” She did not grow up there.
>A woman being here is a rare chance for us to not all fricking die, we have to make sure not to blow it >Aw damn she can't stay, we understand she's her own person and we can't MAKE her fit this role.
It's that simple. Especially since A) nobody in the castle is shown to think she's worthless trash and only kissing ass for the curse and B) we see the alternative with a town that thinks her strange and Gaston that sees her as another trophy to win and telling HER what their life will be.
I don’t think that is clear at all. Nobody seems to know her very well. They only think she’s kind of an oddball. In a small town, it’d take like a week max to form that kind of impression. Gaston in particular seems like he has not had many conversations with her.
The only guy that seems to have interacted with her much is the book store dude, and he mostly knows that she has already read her favorite book twice and is borrowing it from him to read for a third time. But it’s hard to say how fast of a reader she is.
Also, I could place her in her early twenties. She needs to be of an ambiguous marriageable age for a fairy tale that is hundreds of years old BUT is also being retold in the 1990s. I think they purposefully didn’t drop another “sixteenth birthday” line like in Little Mermaid because they got flak for a sixteen year old getting married in that one.
They do drop a birthday line, actually. But it’s for the beast/prince, who in the course of the film turns 21. So it’s reasonable to assume Belle is around that old. She could even be a couple years older than him.
Notice you're overwriting the life or death issue here. They're polite to her and make a big show of castle living bc they want her to stay, yes, but their kindness isn't entirely just ulterior motive. The castle crew are nice and eccentric and accepting of Belle entirely. Her being locked up was the will of the master of the castle as well as a trade she agreed to to safe her trespassing father. Their basic human decency and respect was a lot more than Gaston gave her, as well as still considerate of and concerned for her as a person.
True but even a chad like Gaston wasn't enough for this uppity prostitute, she needed royalty and obsene amounts of wealth, glad she died during the french revolution
Anon you literally altered my text changing the life or death mention. I brought it up in the first place bc your first shitpost was "haha can I borrow 100 dollars?" As if that's comparable. They're not just casually seeing if they can squeeze any use out of her, they're overall hopeful that they might finally have a shot at freedom. Trying not to ruin something and operating solely to create an outcome are two different things.
The life or death thing doesn't directly get them to like her, no, but that's part of my point. It's the reason for their interacting with Belle, but their affection for each other is genuine and organic. They aren't giving up on a lost cause with her, they're taking care of her needs and wants because she matters to them.
And, again, the other side of all of this is people that, over the course of the movie: >Think she's a fricking weirdo >Want to decide her life for her. >Want to institutionalize her father >Want to fricking kill the guy she falls in love with.
I mean the whole argument is whether the people in the castle or the people in the town care about Belle more and you just keep willfully ignoring
A) the stakes underlying how the people in the castle treat Belle
B) The absolutely insane shit Gaston and the townspeople do to her family.
So it's pretty hard to take anything you say seriously.
And you once again ignored the other part of the argument, how Gaston and the townspeople treat her, to try and split hairs on the first part. There y'go.
Buddy, you're not fooling anybody. It's clear that you're just trying to avoid discussing Gaston because you said some shit without remembering what actually happened in the movie.
the town she grew up in was entirely inhabited by buttholes that ostracized her and her father
they literally side with gaston to imprison her father
with a "community" like this you don't need enemies
>they literally side with gaston to imprison her father
Like, everybody knows that it's bullshit and Maurice is harmless, even the guy running the insane asylum says as much, but everybody just goes along with it anyway because Gaston wants it. They do an extremely fricked up thing to Belle and Maurice for basically no reason.
not him but personally I don't care why people don't treat me like shit as long as I'm not getting taken advantage of, and it represents a meaningful upgrade in my situation if I go from honest buttholes to dishonest nice people.
Because it means that when they let her go, it comes at great personal cost to themselves. It proves the Beast genuinely loved her because when the choice was Belle's freedom vs. his humanity, he chose Belle's freedom. And the entire discussion is, which environment is better for Belle, the town or the castle.
Maybe the Beast and the servants only gave Belle basic human respect by letting her go, that's true. But that's still miles ahead of the the townspeople, who went from mocking disrespect to actively trying to destroy her family to trying to murder the guy she loves.
Gaston the real hero >Compliment belle >Respected her for being learned >Tried to save her >Fought a monster for her >Protected her from judgmental villagers >Willing to make her happy wife
>Gaston doing anything around the house
anon, Gaston thought it was weird as frick that Belle wanted to READ BOOKS and scoffed at her desires as a person. What makes the artist think Mr. Stereotype is gonna be a house husband? He'd be singing a song about how Belle needs to pick up the slack and fry up another eight dozen eggs because being a barge is no longer enough.
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as someone else pointed out, everyone in town ostracized her, so: >and instead of going out and seeking to change her own life
Go out where? Change it how? She's a relative outcast in provincial France, she and her father have so little social clout that the entire town agrees to imprison him on the word of one local butthole. She had more agency as a prisoner in the castle than she had as a resident of her town. Also you're injecting a lot of weird modern nerd complaints about women into a 90s-era Disney cartoon in which women were often expected to be passive so the man could come in and rescue them.
I feel like they really wanted to have Gaston strike Belle at some point but never knew how to work it into the script since they only interact in overall three scenes.
>Belle is the perfect example of a woman who thinks she's special just for existing, and instead of going out and seeking to change her own life, she sat on her ass waiting for something magical to happen >if she was alive in the modern day she would be making those tiktoks where she dances in public in disrupts everyone's day, and talks about how she deserves everything in life because she's the center of the world
This is the problem 98% of this site has. Just need to switch the pronouns.
>Says he roughly the size of a barge in his song >Look up a barge >He's not even close to being that large
Piece of shit fricking liar, I'm glad he died at the end
Yeah I'm here chilling in my castle, Belle reading beside me. Where's Gaston again? Oh yeah, fricking dead!
It genuinely is the one reasonably controversial debate in a Disney movie that everyone has an opinion on. I don't know why it has that effect, other than he's not as overtly a villain.
I think its people who haven't seen the movie in years memory holing the awful shit he did, like the insane asylum stuff like the other anon mentioned. Also people who want to be contrarian for its own sake, those who want to see some good in Gaston because he's conventionally good looking and the usual weirdos who see him as some awesome Chad who was rejected by an ungrateful woman for no reason.
It genuinely is the one reasonably controversial debate in a Disney movie that everyone has an opinion on. I don't know why it has that effect, other than he's not as overtly a villain.
Gaston is gay and closeted. He hates women and is vain. His supervising animator based him on toxic/narcissistic gay guys that would hang out at muscle beach in California. Belle would be in a Lavender marriage
Gaston wanted to conquer Belle. He wasn't seeking her approval like some simp. As soon we he got what he wanted and had he'd move on. All Belle does is shove her head into escapism. She only reads fiction. This image is no different from a lazy b***h being on her phone all day while her man does everything. Aside from her father's "genius" which the film makes it a point that NO ONE in the village/town is able to appreciate as a boon aside from Belle, and the idea of Belle being kinda well-read, this picture doesn't do much. Gaston would hunt and Belle would be busy with skinning pelts and birthing egg-huffing babies.
That's the exact same thing belle wanted from beast
As soon as she was done playing her game of domesticating beast he had to turn into a proper husband
Nobody cooks like Gaston nobody cleans like Gaston, nobody takes a jab to the face like Gaston, nobody hides a black eye like Gaston, nobody likes about tripping on the door like Gaston
its obvious gaston didnt actually like belle and was only interested in her being the prettiest girl in town
but he obviously did not care about her interests and always steers the conversation back to him
>the prettiest girl in town
Literally, by default, not even in the top 3.
It's one of those cases where they "tell you" but show you better ones.
Although your tastes can also influence, if you liked the girls in the tavern that Gaston lift, that is your decision.
She could have turned him around
I think it wasn't even because she was the prettiest in anyone's opinion.
But since she was the only one who wasn't impressed by his hunting prowess or let herself be enchanted by his muscles, it's just an obsession of "why doesn't this b***h like me if all the others are dying for me?"
OR
He already tried every other woman in town and they all literally failed at his "traditional wife" ideal that he told Belle.
>its obvious gaston didnt actually like belle and was only interested in her being the prettiest girl in town
but he obviously did not care about her interests
sweetie, i..
So? Gaston was the good guy and deserved a tradwife. Books are gay anyways
The lack of shading in the background, flat colors, and the black outlines makes it look it’s from an adult swim show.
No, that would’ve been a miserable life of servitude and isolation. Instead she gets to live a life of luxury in a castle married to a prince and she has many friends, no comparison there.
Wow glad things worked out!
Just like real life????
He threatened to send her dad to a mental asylum. Thats a dealbreaker, plus you know he would have raped her.
I like the idea of Gaston becoming a househusband. Committed to doing all the chores and all Belle has to do is praise him for it. Nobody cooks or cleans better than Gaston!
>Beast is angry
>Pigheaded
>A jerk
NO YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE! YOU HAVE TO BE FAIR AND NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER!
>Gaston is great but brash
>Willing to provide but isn't smart or wise (which is why he admires Belle)
>Even though he can have any other woman who wants to pump and dump him, he wants a soul mate
EW NO HE IS AN INCEL JERK WHO DESERVES TO DIE! JUDGE HIS BOOK ALL THE TIME
When the Beast is a jerk, there's negative consequences for it and he usually feels bad about it. Belle gives him a chance because he makes an effort to act better. When Belle "rejects" the Beast by leaving the castle to go save her father from being sent to an insane asylum (something Gaston set up to blackmail Belle into marrying him btw), he lets her go because he loves her. When Gaston finds out Belle has rejected him in favor of somebody else, he decides to try and kill the person she chose over him.
Have you guys even seen the movie?
>Have you guys even seen the movie?
They want to be Gaston, anon, so Gaston needs to be a good guy. they're probably reframing everything that happened in a Chad/Stacy context because they've been brain-poisoned from a decade or more on this shitheap website.
Its easier to hate women than watch good film.
Nice idea except he directly tells her what kind of life he envisioned for them.
and she could have manipulated him easier than a dog
She doesn’t successfully manipulate him in the movie. Why would that change?
You cannot discuss with women on Cinemaphile or anywhere on social media really, women are really fricking stupid and incapable of realizing cooking or cleaning isn't slavery
We get it anon, you hate your mom
All the people in Belle's hometown thought she was a frickin' weirdo and all the people in the castle were nice to her. Granted, they had an ulterior motive for doing so, but they also did let her leave when she wanted to.
Belle didn't think she deserved special treatment, she just wanted to live her life on her own terms.
Except, they let her go. They literally gave up what they wanted to let Belle leave.
who the frick put a fishbowl on top of a tiny shelf?
Being forced to have sex with someone you don’t want to have sex with is rape. Even if you’re both wearing rings.
>in the town she grew up in
Stopped reading there. Post discarded.
Belle and Maurice talk about how they’ve felt like outsiders in the town “ever since we came here.” The townspeople echo this and say “ever since Belle came here.” She did not grow up there.
>A woman being here is a rare chance for us to not all fricking die, we have to make sure not to blow it
>Aw damn she can't stay, we understand she's her own person and we can't MAKE her fit this role.
It's that simple. Especially since A) nobody in the castle is shown to think she's worthless trash and only kissing ass for the curse and B) we see the alternative with a town that thinks her strange and Gaston that sees her as another trophy to win and telling HER what their life will be.
I don’t think that is clear at all. Nobody seems to know her very well. They only think she’s kind of an oddball. In a small town, it’d take like a week max to form that kind of impression. Gaston in particular seems like he has not had many conversations with her.
The only guy that seems to have interacted with her much is the book store dude, and he mostly knows that she has already read her favorite book twice and is borrowing it from him to read for a third time. But it’s hard to say how fast of a reader she is.
Also, I could place her in her early twenties. She needs to be of an ambiguous marriageable age for a fairy tale that is hundreds of years old BUT is also being retold in the 1990s. I think they purposefully didn’t drop another “sixteenth birthday” line like in Little Mermaid because they got flak for a sixteen year old getting married in that one.
They do drop a birthday line, actually. But it’s for the beast/prince, who in the course of the film turns 21. So it’s reasonable to assume Belle is around that old. She could even be a couple years older than him.
Because the bare minimum human respect is better than she got from Gaston or the townspeople.
Notice you're overwriting the life or death issue here. They're polite to her and make a big show of castle living bc they want her to stay, yes, but their kindness isn't entirely just ulterior motive. The castle crew are nice and eccentric and accepting of Belle entirely. Her being locked up was the will of the master of the castle as well as a trade she agreed to to safe her trespassing father. Their basic human decency and respect was a lot more than Gaston gave her, as well as still considerate of and concerned for her as a person.
True but even a chad like Gaston wasn't enough for this uppity prostitute, she needed royalty and obsene amounts of wealth, glad she died during the french revolution
Anon you literally altered my text changing the life or death mention. I brought it up in the first place bc your first shitpost was "haha can I borrow 100 dollars?" As if that's comparable. They're not just casually seeing if they can squeeze any use out of her, they're overall hopeful that they might finally have a shot at freedom. Trying not to ruin something and operating solely to create an outcome are two different things.
The life or death thing doesn't directly get them to like her, no, but that's part of my point. It's the reason for their interacting with Belle, but their affection for each other is genuine and organic. They aren't giving up on a lost cause with her, they're taking care of her needs and wants because she matters to them.
And, again, the other side of all of this is people that, over the course of the movie:
>Think she's a fricking weirdo
>Want to decide her life for her.
>Want to institutionalize her father
>Want to fricking kill the guy she falls in love with.
Alright cool so you're either a troll or ridiculously stupid, either way I can be done with this talk have a nice day.
>supposedly takes place in 17th or 18th century Alsace
>Characters speak French.
Bullshit.
I mean the whole argument is whether the people in the castle or the people in the town care about Belle more and you just keep willfully ignoring
A) the stakes underlying how the people in the castle treat Belle
B) The absolutely insane shit Gaston and the townspeople do to her family.
So it's pretty hard to take anything you say seriously.
And you once again ignored the other part of the argument, how Gaston and the townspeople treat her, to try and split hairs on the first part. There y'go.
Buddy, you're not fooling anybody. It's clear that you're just trying to avoid discussing Gaston because you said some shit without remembering what actually happened in the movie.
the town she grew up in was entirely inhabited by buttholes that ostracized her and her father
they literally side with gaston to imprison her father
with a "community" like this you don't need enemies
>they literally side with gaston to imprison her father
Like, everybody knows that it's bullshit and Maurice is harmless, even the guy running the insane asylum says as much, but everybody just goes along with it anyway because Gaston wants it. They do an extremely fricked up thing to Belle and Maurice for basically no reason.
not him but personally I don't care why people don't treat me like shit as long as I'm not getting taken advantage of, and it represents a meaningful upgrade in my situation if I go from honest buttholes to dishonest nice people.
Because it means that when they let her go, it comes at great personal cost to themselves. It proves the Beast genuinely loved her because when the choice was Belle's freedom vs. his humanity, he chose Belle's freedom. And the entire discussion is, which environment is better for Belle, the town or the castle.
Maybe the Beast and the servants only gave Belle basic human respect by letting her go, that's true. But that's still miles ahead of the the townspeople, who went from mocking disrespect to actively trying to destroy her family to trying to murder the guy she loves.
Gaston the real hero
>Compliment belle
>Respected her for being learned
>Tried to save her
>Fought a monster for her
>Protected her from judgmental villagers
>Willing to make her happy wife
>Gaston doing anything around the house
anon, Gaston thought it was weird as frick that Belle wanted to READ BOOKS and scoffed at her desires as a person. What makes the artist think Mr. Stereotype is gonna be a house husband? He'd be singing a song about how Belle needs to pick up the slack and fry up another eight dozen eggs because being a barge is no longer enough.
as someone else pointed out, everyone in town ostracized her, so:
>and instead of going out and seeking to change her own life
Go out where? Change it how? She's a relative outcast in provincial France, she and her father have so little social clout that the entire town agrees to imprison him on the word of one local butthole. She had more agency as a prisoner in the castle than she had as a resident of her town. Also you're injecting a lot of weird modern nerd complaints about women into a 90s-era Disney cartoon in which women were often expected to be passive so the man could come in and rescue them.
>because being a barge is no longer enough.
Beauty and the Beast 4: Gaston's Crippling Stanozolol Addiction
I feel like they really wanted to have Gaston strike Belle at some point but never knew how to work it into the script since they only interact in overall three scenes.
>Belle is the perfect example of a woman who thinks she's special just for existing, and instead of going out and seeking to change her own life, she sat on her ass waiting for something magical to happen
>if she was alive in the modern day she would be making those tiktoks where she dances in public in disrupts everyone's day, and talks about how she deserves everything in life because she's the center of the world
This is the problem 98% of this site has. Just need to switch the pronouns.
All your missing is /soc/, robots, and incel bux
>Says he roughly the size of a barge in his song
>Look up a barge
>He's not even close to being that large
Piece of shit fricking liar, I'm glad he died at the end
To be fair a barge would have been a lot smaller in the 18th century.
There are homies on this thread really simping for Gaston? He's not gonna frick you guys, or Belle either for that matter.
>t. Beast
Yeah I'm here chilling in my castle, Belle reading beside me. Where's Gaston again? Oh yeah, fricking dead!
I think its people who haven't seen the movie in years memory holing the awful shit he did, like the insane asylum stuff like the other anon mentioned. Also people who want to be contrarian for its own sake, those who want to see some good in Gaston because he's conventionally good looking and the usual weirdos who see him as some awesome Chad who was rejected by an ungrateful woman for no reason.
It's also partially a joke with how everyone in town admires him as the town's hero.
Very true
It genuinely is the one reasonably controversial debate in a Disney movie that everyone has an opinion on. I don't know why it has that effect, other than he's not as overtly a villain.
I think people kinda forget most of his scenes outside of his song. The insane asylum stuff is pretty fricking egregious.
Gaston is gay and closeted. He hates women and is vain. His supervising animator based him on toxic/narcissistic gay guys that would hang out at muscle beach in California. Belle would be in a Lavender marriage
Gaston wanted to conquer Belle. He wasn't seeking her approval like some simp. As soon we he got what he wanted and had he'd move on. All Belle does is shove her head into escapism. She only reads fiction. This image is no different from a lazy b***h being on her phone all day while her man does everything. Aside from her father's "genius" which the film makes it a point that NO ONE in the village/town is able to appreciate as a boon aside from Belle, and the idea of Belle being kinda well-read, this picture doesn't do much. Gaston would hunt and Belle would be busy with skinning pelts and birthing egg-huffing babies.
That's the exact same thing belle wanted from beast
As soon as she was done playing her game of domesticating beast he had to turn into a proper husband
Nobody cooks like Gaston nobody cleans like Gaston, nobody takes a jab to the face like Gaston, nobody hides a black eye like Gaston, nobody likes about tripping on the door like Gaston