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Ben Reilly: Chasm
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If I am being honest, the costume look nice.
Ben has never had a bad costume
Sure he has
His Spider-Man costume is too busy and the chunky webshooters are stupid. It's bad 90s shit.
Ben sucks and only a tiny handful of dipshits care about him
Terrible bait on both fronts
You know what? I'll just fricking say it; this was an improvement for Ben. He has every right to be angry and a villain.
Not everything you disagree with is bait bro
>He has every right to be angry and a villain.
Back in the 90's when he came back to the conclusion that he's the clone yes. Coming back to this after you've built a life and relationship for yourself is moronic
Banging a different red head and lying to yourself is not a life, anon
Ankle pouches are moronic.
>Back in the 90's
but that's decades of real world time, how much time has gone by in the story?
Maybe one or two years tops
so its entirely reasonable he's still all pissy about it
>I'll just fricking say it; this was an improvement for Ben. He has every right to be angry and a villain.
I mean the point was that in spite of all of the shit wrong with his life he was still trying to live and be a good man, having him just be evil misses the point entirely and takes a big fat shit over his entire character.
Chasm is the product of Lowe's incompetence and not having any idea what to do with Ben which wouldn't have been the case if they didn't bring him back from the dead to begin with
And people can fail and just realize they're lying to themselves. Fact is he wants to be Peter, and never can be.
>Fact is he wants to be Peter, and never can be.
Again, misses the point entirely
I'll repeat. Lying to himself.
Of course it was, Slott was writing that.
>I'll repeat. Lying to himself.
>I have nothing to validate this claim but I'll repeat it anyway
This is why we need Ben, he’s the perfect lead in for Mayday
they already did the ben turns into a villain already(and it was shit). And this time ben isn't even the main villain, or a real threat. He's just there.
Ben's motivations, goals, and methods were so shit in Dark Web and they just brushed it off as "he's crazy now lol". Not to mention the extreme tonal whiplash between the end of Beyond, the setup of the event, and the actual event itself. It's insane
>And this time ben isn't even the main villain, or a real threat. He's just there.
It's worse than that. Ben's just the henchman, but the real villain gets to change sides out of nowhere and 'redeemed', while Ben becomes the final boss of the event. I don't know how that story ever got approved and published.
Wells just wanted to finish his Maddie story, Ben just was there to take the fall
It's honestly insane how quickly everyone forgives Maddie
Female privilege ain't a meme bro
This is 1000% correct, even was the superior jackal costume
>costume so bad that fan backlash caused them to change it
>allegedly pad was pissed about the change
Take the mouth off and fix the hands and it works
All it takes is a bad inpression, costume would be fine if this abomination of art wasnt the first real show off of the look
>dat creepy mouth
>dem tiny legs
>that amateurish sense of perspective and lighting
It was sent out to die, I refuse to believe a veteran like Bagley would botch something this hard
I think it could've worked, but like
said, the first look made a bad impression. Maybe it's just me, but I think people also attribute it to the early issues in which Ben was an butthole who stole the costume from a cosplayer and threatened to hunt down someone whose life he saved if she didn't pay him back.
>costume so bad that fanbacklash
man its literally a spidercide costume youre stupid to think that they were ever going to keep it. they literally open the issue with "I stole this from someone and made it official"
the joke is that it was already official, because it's spidercide.
I will never stop believing this costume meant there was gonna be a twist that "Ben" was actually Spider-cide. So when the backlash happened (because it was frick ugly) and everyone noticed the similarity, they not only changed the costume but changed the plans, and since then they've had no idea what to do with Ben.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/scarlet-spider-peter-david-fan-outcry-changed-costume/
>Marvel announced he would be returning to the classic look in issue #3, and David was asked if that was always the plan.
>"No. (Laughs) We were originally going to stick with the new one, and you know, there was so much fan opposition to it, that we all kinda shrugged our shoulders and said: "You know what, at the end of the day, the comic is about Ben Reilly, no about his freaking costume and you know, why would we make this book about the freakin' costume, let's just you know, let's just give the fans what they want! I mean for decades Marvel Comics has always said, we give the fans what they want, you know, the fans are the true editors at Marvel Comics."
>"Well, to my mind, there has never been a more precise example of that being the case, than the Ben Reilly Costume," said David. "I mean to me it's of little relevance, what somebody wears when they are going about doing their job really kinda beside the point, but if it means that much to the fans, and honestly means so little to me, you know Marvel said "let's come up with a reason to go have him go back to the original", I went okay and came up with a reason to go back to the original, and just as a nod to the fans [in issue 3], as I said, I have a Spider-Man fan criticizing everything they dislike about the Ben Reilly costume, I even have them quoting twitter things! I mean I just have them saying "what's with the smile? I can see your mouth! What's up with that?" You know, so what the hell? Why not?
Bagley is an overrated artist.
>allegedly
PAD was on defense mode for days on Twitter, asking "why are people insisting on drawing parallels to this new costume and a forgotten character from the 90s?" when he's literally doing a BEN REILLY book.
KWAB
I hope he's doing better. I haven't heard anything about him after being hospitalized.
Marvel cancelled his Spider-man 2099 book that was solicited so it looks like his in Hospital for while longer
I like it too
It's literally just the Prowler suit but worse.
Chasm, Hallows' Eve and Queen Goblin are all great designs that should've gone to new characters instead of shitting on Ben, Janine and Kafka.
i mean miles pretty much took his urban fashion with the hoodie and wearing clothes
Yeah but everyone who's had even a passing awareness of Spider-Man from before 2015 knows he took it from Ben
They should redeem Ben and give the Chasm identity/powers/suit to someone else
>redeem
Good day sirs
DO NOT REDEEM THE CLONE
SIR DO NOT
DO NOT REDEEM
Is there a more punchable face in the universe?
Slott
I feel so repulsed by him that I wouldn't touch him. Not even by hitting him
Bendis
Joey Q
Tom Taylor
Kris Anka
>They should redeem Ben and give the Chasm identity/powers/suit to someone else
Kaine.
Kaine should go back to his original costume
or his scarlet spider suit
He never changed it since he became the Scarlet Spider
NOOOOOOOOO
i wouldn't even be mad, as long as he remains an anti-hero
Nope, full villain.
True.
Kaine is the anti-hero.
Ben is the wronged man due to circumstances. He should be the antithesis to Peter.
>Kaine is the anti-hero.
>Ben is the wronged man due to circumstances. He should be the antithesis to Peter.
Wrong.
Ben’s suppose to be a tragedy.
Kill him off and make Mattie Franklin the new Chasm
>Ben’s suppose to be a tragedy.
Try again, Nick
Well are you gonna resurrect Mattie?
I wish I could.
I’d make her a cute light skinned black girl like the upcoming Madame Web.
>He should be the antithesis to Peter.
peters antithesis already exists. the die is cast
i think i prefer ben being this weird version of peter that's seemingly stuck in the past and can't get over it, while being forced to progress and taking the frustrations of it out on peter
Chasm costume is just a mystical Prowler costume/evil Spider-Man
Give it to Miles' evil twin
its so cool that ben is showing his solidarity with his fellow homies by reppin wakanda on the right
Does Ben have a new power or ability when he became Chasm?
Not counting the magic stuff he had on loan from Queen Goblin/Jean's Clone, he's gained two I believe
>Offensive spider sense
Instead of the early warning sign triggering him to dodge, he creates a concussive field that can repel a physical attack
>Web constructs
Weaves his green web into a sword once
Enough with the energy sword bullshit. It's only acceptable if your power is making solid object force-fields like Green Lantern or Sue Storm.
>literally has offensive spider-sense
>powers up with the scythe
>starts getting assaulted left and right
>no, not even once does his enhanced offensive spider-sense literally form a barrier or a weapon to stop people before they even attack him
>he just loses because he has to
Capeshit is always literal bottom of the barrel when it comes to handling fights
He got dropped in a vat of psycho-reactive goo
It's essentially turned his spider-sense into a symbiote
Auto-attacks threats and transforms his green psi-webbing into different weapons
>darkweb
that should've been miles name
his name is kid arachnid remember?
Wow even in a Ben Reilly thread you people can’t help it
You know what frick it, I don't care anymore, I have to say it. Anyone who likes Chasm and thinks it's the best thing to happen to Ben either just doesn't like the character or doesn't understand the character. Period. I don't give a damn if you give me shit for this
Why would you be given shit for telling the truth?
How many variants of the MacF Spidey cover does that make?
They should make this costume the spider-prowler costume Miles gets to wear and return Ben back
As a Ben fan I think Ben should have stayed dead, better then going through this bullshit.
There's always hope if he's alive felow Ben fan
You know, I wonder if the "Long Game" goal with this is for Ben to become Spider-Man: Emissary Of Hell
How does getting the Chasm suit get him to visit Planet Spider, anon?
They could do an arc where Peter offs himself and his thoughts and grief begin to possess Ben from beyond the void. This possession leads him to the 616 Planet Spider, with EoH being a title given to the chosen "Great Leader" of the planet. Yes I am indeed suggesting Ben become the leader of Spider-SHOCKER
Why are you people still buying marvel products?
I would like a Chasm mini by JMD, he could meake something out of this mess
I would like a Scarlet Spider: Redemption mini about Kaine (and Peter) bringing Ben back from the edge
that would too GOATed for current Marvel
It’s true, but the pieces are there and Kaine owes it to Ben to return the chance he gave him all those years ago. It practically writes itself
Kaine forgot that debt and tried to kill him afterwards like the murderous hypocrite he is
PAD clearly didn’t want to write that book and it showed
What I want is a 6-issue mini where it's Ben constantly trying to break out of his "cell" and wreak some form of revenge, but it ends up just being Tom and Jerry bullshit with Kaine, because at this point he's got nothing better to do. In some way, it can then set up a Scarlet Spiders monthly where they finally go to Mexico to handle Aracely's business, but if they do, I'd want Ben to still be edgy or similar to his Ben Reily: Scarlet Spider run, because the humor in Aracely having an Uncle Ben and him being the one that's edgier/less responsible than Kaine would be too fun to deny.
>regulated
Relegated
What could be the next step in Wells Chasm's plans?
He escapes but becomes good again (hopefully).
Otto realizes he doesn't want to become a pale imitation of Spider-Man again, yet wants to be good, devoting his tech and time to helping Peter.
His first act of good will be getting Ben "his" memories back and molding Ben into being a "Superior" Spider-Man, "beyond" what he was.
But that would be Slott, not Wells
a piece of the carnage symbiote survived on its own after carnage's sacrifice during axis and somehow didn't get hit by the reverse spell. it finds its way to ben and bonds with him, making him the heroic spider-carnage-man
Technically Carnage could revert Ben back to his old self. Ben wore Carnage back in Web of Carnage, and thus has a Codex. Carnage could use Ben’s codex to restore his memories and turn him back to himself.
There are so many ways they could do it, but they won't, because they don't want to
It would be great that they won't dangle solutions to his problems in our faces.
Do you guys think we'll get some info at SDCC?
Rare Chasm sigthing !!
>https://www.cbr.com/dark-x-men-steve-foxe-interview/
What are talking about? Maddie seems sad
I've come to learn than Reillygays are just as autistic as shippers when dealing with the Spider-Fandom. To be honest it sounds like one or two very vocal spergs
40 posters in this thread. Well, 39 and you
Neither Ben nor Kaine should exist in my opinion. Same could be said about Anya, Julia, Jess, and especially Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider
Who is and isn't in this list speaks volumes about what kind of person is behind this post
If you're referring to Miles, that goes without saying. Why beat a dead horse? But nice try, dumbass
* Donbas
How so?
How many times has Ben died and been resurrected now?
28 as of Spider-Geddon.
Watch Ben gain back his memories from Peter, but Peter loses all of his. Essentially just a ric Grayson reskin for the next run.
Won’t he just become The Spider again?
Call it a schizo theory but I definitely see them doing that as a way to get the fanbase to hate Ben and stop asking for him to be redeemed in a very similar way to what they've done with MJ throughout the run