>86 years instead of 7
Why did he do it? I thought it would help Kim somehow with the civil suit with Howard's widow, but that wasn't brought up.
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They wrote themselves to a fricking corner
AGAIN
But that;s not true either. They could have just had a short scene with a subtitle "7 years later" where he walks out of prison.
>7 years later
>he walks out of prison
>show turns to colour
>jimmy ends up volunteering for an anti-drug group
>actually does some good and helps people instead of rotting in prison
I would have actually preferred this. Everything from the courtroom to the end was beyond horrible.
Bravo anon
they wrote themselves into a corner during like season 3 honestly. they shouldve just got to this point sooner. imagining Saul being such a small part of Jimmys life is hilariously misguided and he shouldve spent way more time. they just couldnt fricking figure out what to do with him. Saul from season 1 of breaking bad was nothing like we saw from jimmy during this entire run.
>saul in season one of breaking bad
erm ... I believe you meant Season Two, my good sir. This fumble most CERTAINLY invalidates your point
>imagining Saul being such a small part of Jimmys life is hilariously misguided and he shouldve spent way more time. they just couldnt fricking figure out what to do with
Season 4 and 5 lost the plot and didn't know what the frick to do with Jimmy. It doesn't link up. BCS is a good show, but the writers failed the character
what corner?
Better call reddit
Not really, this was the most obvious, predicted outcome like 5 years ago
They just don't have creativity. It's just an average show with a few good moments. It's just a spinoff of brba. They used the popularity of brba to squeeze out a few more bucks and moved on.
exactly
they didn't write themselves into a corner, they just decided to go with a really stupid story
You don’t get it he was filled with le HECKIN WHITE GUILT
he did it for chuck you fricking morons
he's dead
holy shit you guys cannot be white
Your post makes about as much sense as the series finale.
stfu Hispanic maybe rewatch the series a few times and you *might* get it then cause clearly 1 watch wasn’t enough
Seriously, it's fricking morons and ESLs who can't read between the lines that are complaining about this. Makes so much fricking sense now why Marvel dumbs down their stories so everyone can understand them.
You aren't as smart as you think you are.
The mental gymnastics of "he did it for Chuck" posters is seriously impressive
witnessed. digits confirm Simp Goodman
You mean Sneed
Chuck thinks everyone should have good legal representation. Its shown that episode.
Name one thing good Chuck ever did for Jimmy
the Chicago Sunroof incident
He always pushed against his worst instincts. Chuck wasn't perfect, but his advices were always sound. That's why they out that Chuck scene: that was Jimmy's real time machine moment
Killing himself
Uh what he saved Jimmy from going to prison and being labeled a sex offender, and considering American prisons this may have directly saved his life
>didn't take the deal of the century the greatest lawyer move. he threw it all away to prove who he was, slipin' jimmy.
So he did it to be spitful and all he did was prove to chuck and everyone hes slippin' jimmy.
no he was to prove that Chuck was right but still wrong about Jimmy not ever changing
Sneed won
So why did Vince make a big deal about the bottle stopper
Shit. They forgot to write that in later..
It really feels like that
>I thought it would help Kim somehow with the civil suit with Howard's widow, but that wasn't brought up.
yes, because Jimmy's confession to being a willing accomplice to Heisenberg would have such a large impact on Howard's case
and people wonder why TV shows are constantly being dumbed down
That's what I mean. So, the question remains: Why did he do it?
>Burying Saul Goodman for good. That's why he insisted on being called McGill, even though by this point everybody remembers him only as Saul
>Kim actually came out and confessed after their phone call, so Jimmy decided to do the same. Thus, they both have clean conscience
>Finally following Chuck's advice and breaking the cycle of slipping
>Boasting to the whole world that the notorious Heisenberg's empire couldn't exist if it wasn't for him.
Pick all of them or only a few
>All of those
>+
>Proved he could've gotten away with it, again
Excellent ending, kids won't understand it
Here is a great analysis from r*ddit
>The whole series is essentially about Jimmy's search for that validation/respect from someone, starting with Chuck. But, Chuck looked down on Jimmy his whole life. Then, throughout the series, everyone sees Jimmy/Saul as a snake. For example, Mike and Walt looked down on Jimmy--a point driven home by Mike saying "it's all about money to you" (paraphrasing), and Walt going so far as to say he'd never hire Saul to help him with Gray Matter and that Saul was "always like this"--as well as his colleagues (e.g., everyone at the courthouse shunning him because of his complicity in helping Lalo skip bail thing, Francesca despising him, etc.).
>The only person who ever saw the good in Jimmy was Kim. But, as Jimmy transformed into Saul, it became harder and harder for Kim to do so. Eventually, her respect for him comes to an end too, culminating with Jimmy going "full Saul" during the divorce paper signing, and Kim telling Jesse that she essentially doesn't even know him any more.
>In the finale, Jimmy/Saul is given a choice between Jimmy and Saul. Choosing Saul would've meant taking a sweetheart plea deal. But, if he chose Saul, he'd always be Saul; Jimmy would be gone for good. Jimmy would never never have any chance of getting the validation/respect he always wanted from Kim or anyone else.
>Choosing Jimmy, on the other hand, means that Jimmy's going to spend his life in prison. But, with "Saul gone" for good, Jimmy finally has the respect of at least one person. And that's really all he ever wanted.
I think it's a bit off about confessing only because he wants to be respected. Sure, he realizes that no one respect him, but he fully understand how lonely he is when he becomes incompatible with the only person who still meant something in his life, the woman he loves, and that happens when he get to know that Kim has confessed. He then realizes that he doesn't want to be Saul, he wants to be the person that Kim loved, and not because he wants to be loved (that wouldn't bring him to be completely remorseful, even for Chuck), but because he loves Kim and thus he loves what she loved in him
moronic as shit
You are so moronic that you can't even come up with the reason why you think it moronic, you just haven't understood a single line and thus think that it must be the analysis moronic, not yourself
No you moron what you said is correct but that doesnt make it not moronic, its a cringe shit ending from a hack writer named Vince
Yeah nice mental gymnastics. If I squint it almost makes sense.
Explain yourself or blow the frick off moron
>The only person who ever saw the good in Jimmy was Kim. But, as Jimmy transformed into Saul, it became harder and harder for Kim to do so.
moronic take. the more jimmy became saul the more wet kim got. kim is largely responsible for jimmy becoming saul in the first place. she loved the cons. dumb frick redditor.
Yeah, that's why she broke up with him after Howard's death. That was literally a major plot point, it's not a plot hole
She broke up with him because Howard's death scared her straight and she wanted to run away from her life, which included abandoning her husband. Typical woman.
Saul is Slippin Jimmy with a law degree. They are the same.
>She broke up with him because Howard's death scared her straight and she wanted to run away from her life, which included abandoning her husband. Typical woman
I think it was a good choice. She knew they were bad for each other, and innocent people got killed and shamed because of their actions. It wasn't cowardice: it was a moral decision
That's just how she justified it to herself. You really don't understand women, do you?
I suspect you're the one who does not understand people in general. Women aren't mindless robots following a program
No shit they aren't robots. They're irrational emotional creatures. Please touch grass.
>You really don't understand women, do you?
Nobody does breh
>Saul is Slippin Jimmy with a law degree. They are the same
Once again it shows you haven't actually watched the thing, Jimmy changed his name only after getting his license back, before he was fricking Jimmy with a law degree
you're so moronic I'm just going to let your post speak for itself and not give a counterargument
You King of morons, it isn't an argument, it is factual that Jimmy doesn't call himself Saul right after getting the degree, stop whining and owe your mistakes lmao
you're not helping your case, ESL
That's cool, I don't have to help anything, the only clear mistakes is yours, and you haven't yet addressed it because either you know you messed up, or (way more likely) you haven't even watched the show
Plus, you think I give a frick about your language? Lmao, seethe harder my sweet amerimutt, I just enjoy bothering it here and there, your language is anyway a joke, anyone speak it as they want, you'll soon have no language for your decading nation
Your barbs really have no impact when people have to squint through an ESL filter to read them.
>Howard's death scared her straight
Speedwatcher, she goes to murder a random stranger after Howard dies, with little resistance.
I hate dealing with autists. Ok autist,
>the night of Howard's death scared her straight
do you understand now?
wait hold on belay your reply, autist. let me make it even clearer for you:
>Howard's death and the immediate events surrounding it scared her straight
You're fricking moronic how could you even open your computer you dumbfrick. Saul isn't slipping Jimmy, you fricking piece of rotten shit. Kim loved Jimmy, but as she said (although you wouldn't know, because the only hope here is that you haven't watched the show, if you watched it you're just beyond salvation) they were bad for each other, Kim supported the slipping Jimmy persona. Even if at the time he uses Saul as his work name, he still isn't completely Saul Goodman, at least not with her. He becomes completely Saul when he loose even here with the divorce. As other said, Saul it's a coping mechanism to avoid being completely lonely and without the respect of anyone.
How can you be so fricking moronic, I've no idea
Saul had the respect of the criminal underworld as shown in the bus scene and the fact that he was so successful back in Albuquerque.
Right, wouldn't you be glad to be appreciated because you menaged to lower the sentence of a rapist or a murderer?
>They were chanting Saul, not Jimmy, on the bus.
>Getting 7 years would have earned him tremendous respect with everyone in the law community.
>Finally, after the 7 years, he would have earned the respect of everyone for being the guy that created Heisenberg.
But that's all he ever wanted.
7 years would have earned him tremendous respect with everyone in the law community.
When has literally any character in the law community respected Jimmy for his legal scheming?
Howard
These.
>even though by this point everybody remembers him only as Saul
yeah so he didnt actually manage to bury him you fricking moron
Thats the point you stupid frick, he has to deal with the fact that he will be more known as Saul as punishment
And that doesn’t make sense because you could have spent 7 years instead of 8000 years, kek
Either way he'd still be known more as Saul you sub human
yeah, and he'll die in prison
how is that winning you fricking mong
Yikes, VERY low I.Q. and moral foundations detected
>chooses to go to trial as Saul Goodman
>Oh no, people will know me as Saul Goodman
>make the 7 year deal
>chooses to go to trial as Jimmy McGill
100% improved ending.
I don't disagree, i was just explaining to the 3rd worlder
explaining his intention doesn't mean that he succeeded in doing so, you sperg. This is a part of his final comeuppance
he didnt explain his intention, he posted
Saul Goodman for good
as if it had happened, like the other "reasons" mentioned
yet it didnt, thus invalidating that point
you fricking amoeba
one would assume that to answer "why did he do it" question, you would talk about character's intentions
For Chuck. Look at the main theme of the episode: what would you do if you had a time machine? All the way up until the end Jimmy lies about what he would do, and then when he's on the stand he finally sheds his Saul persona and becomes Jimmy again by taking responsibility for it all. Kim was a catalyst for the change, but not the main reason.
>doing 80 extra years in jail as a moral gesture to your dead brother.
Just admit it makes no funcking sense
It's dramatic because it's a drama series. It's for Chuck, Kim, and himself. He got several people murdered and he finally took responsibility.
>Just accepting whatever the U.S government throws at you
>took responsibility
Get a lawyer, anons.
It really doesn’t. It’s going to be the caveat to the ending that will never die.
>What a martyr craves more than anything is a sword to fall on. So you sharpen the blade, hold it at just the right angle, and then 3, 2, 1…
Frick, HoC season 1 was so fricking good
>ITT: important morality principles non-white people will never understand
Prison is a moral authority. The law has feet and stands tall. Therefore you should do what this guy did and not manipulate the system to retain your freedom.
>dying in prison is more moral than changing your ways and doing good deeds
wow, so moral.
He knows he'll slip back into Slippin Jimmy if he goes free, that's the whole point of the Gene scenes.
Exactly. If he did 7 years, he'd be hustling and hurting others in no time.
Jimmy can't change his ways. That's been established countless times. He has a problem and he knows he has a problem. The only possible way he could help himself and the rest of society is turn himself in, just like how that would have been the best way to help Chuck.
>he knows he has a problem
when was that ever established other than in the last episode? he has never shown the ability to self-reflect.
>so it's all about money for you?
>so you were always like this?
>we only ever have one conversation, don't we
did you not watch the show?
Did they ending not hammer it with the flash backs hard enough for you?
You think users on Cinemaphile or on reddit have basic film comprehension?
Do you think the Time Machine stuff was a nod to the memes?
no, because this episode was made before the memes appeared. both the memes and the finale have the 'time machine' idea due to the show being a prequel
>I met Walter White... 2 years ago
It's okay, all that jumping between different years can be confusing to a moron.
>spend two months hiding i guess
>two months of being a wagie breaks him
>terrified of getting caught
>they catch him
>he immediately negotiates down to a slap on the wrist
>but confessing makes things right, somehow
>saul gets BLACKED
>kim gets YUPED
honestly terrible show, stop watching at Chicanery and skip the montage pretentious filler
Youre obsessed with sex anon.
Stop watching porn, get a life.
He didn’t do it for Kim he did it for himself, but it’s a very American ending. Basically a “and then he accepted Christ, he was born again” ending
Yep, you're morons
I refuse to believe anyone is this dumb. All you "why did he do it?" people are larping. You must be.
You aren't as smart as you think you are.
I guess he got what he deserved.
Why no Nacho flashback?
They had two choices
>saul goes to prison for 7 years, gets out and makes amends by doing X, y or z, Kim gets sued, eventually recovers
>saul goes to prison for 80 years and in doing so ensures Kim can't be sued
Either would have worked and no one would have complained. Instead they did both in one of the most autistic plot points I've ever watched unfold. I can't fathom how anyone defending this is doing it for any reason other than to appear smart, as though to have understood the deep messaging
>makes amends by doing x, y, or z
there was no way he could have made amends with her do you not remember their phone conversation? What did she tell him? "You should turn yourself in" She would never want to see him again if he took that deal. You people are fricking autistic for real.
Make amends for everything he's done. Not with her. She left him 6 years ago, let it go
>Make amends for everything he's done
again, other than turning himself in that's not possible what the frick is wrong with morons? You thought he was gonna do what exactly? Get out in 7 years and send Marie some flowers and everything would be ok?
There were only 2 ways to end the show
>He takes the deal, gets out in 7 years spends the rest of his miserable life as Saul
or
>He confesses
I concede that its probably more realistic he would have taken the deal and just been a miserable frick the rest of his life but I'm glad they didn't do that anyhow.
>He takes the deal, gets out in 7 years spends the rest of his miserable life as Saul
That would have been better.
I don't think so. Now he has his dignity, he doesnt have to hide anymore. He's finally James McGill again.
What do I care? I'm talking about an ending to the series, not his dignity. Let him be old and miserable and unloved as gene or Saul rather than this foot stomping rubbish. Cinnabon ending was better.
good thing the show doesn't want to please pessimistic morons like you
Bro he has to roleplay as Saul for the rest of his life for a bunch of fricking criminals. Did you miss the bus scene?
Did you? In the bus scene he never gives in to the Saul persona. Even in the prison scenes he doesnt act like Saul.
That said, I think it's kinda like poetic justice. To atone for having been Saul he has to remain Jimmy in a place where everyone only know him as Saul.
he knows Kim still cares about Jimmy, the real Jimmy. That's all that matters now.
Literally just add a couple lines about how him taking the time would stop Kim being sued and most people wouldn't have a problem with it
Thats because they're morons. He saw that she wasn't trying to hide from responsibility, she didn't need or want to be shielded from consequences anymore.
OK then there's no reason to go to prison for life
>b-but he would have scammed again once he got out
This is all mental gymnastics to try and convince yourself this wasn't a complete failure of an ending. If he can put himself away for life he can stop scamming, it's not a fricking physical addiction
No, I think the real autist is the one that threw away his life to impress a gross blown out white post wall roastoid
He's in jail for the rest of his life. He's not going to see Kim too many more times.
Why?
But now he gets the satisfaction of knowing the last person alive that ever cared about Jimmy McGill still does, and always will, even if they never met again.
>serve 7 years
>meet new people
>they care about Jimmy
>instead die in a prison cell seeing only one person from your previous life
>seeing only one person from your previous life
Kim will stop visiting him after several months. Jimmy will be alone while she's getting yup'ed.
>the call back to BARE GENATALS no one expected
YEP!
Jimmy's confession did nothing for Kim's trial. That's not why he confessed.
It's hard to know. At the time Jimmy was still missing and Hammlin's widow had no one else to take it out on. I bet she still will sue, but at least now Jimmy can testify in the civil suit.
This. He can claim it was all him and shield Kim.
Holy frick he did it so Kim would talk to him again you morons. When he heard she confessed, even to Howards wife he realized she wasn't trying to hide or run any more and that's what he'd have to do to get her back.
The Saul persona was a giant cope to deal with losing her, it didn't make him happy he was fricking miserable as Saul, you would know that if you actually watched the show.
If he did 7 years and got out what would he be going back to? Just more loneliness and misery. This way at least he knows Kim respects him and he can stop hiding from his own feelings.
>life in prison so a girl who dumped you thinks you're an OK guy and talks to you once more.
You can mental gymnastics all you want. Apply this situation to literally any real life version of this and people simply don't do this
You're right in real life someone like Jimmy would have taken the deal, got out in 7 years and spent the rest of his life miserable, alone, and probably pulling scams on people until the day he dies.
I'm glad they didn't do that though even if it is unrealistic.
The famous Saul couldn't have found someone? Psh. She wouldn't have been as hot as Kim probably but there's a bunch out there.
In real life people get over people pretty quickly, life isn't a fairytale. Nobody stays in love with someone their entire life.
>Nobody stays in love with someone their entire life
32 year old here. Still in love with highschool gf who's heart I broke by showing her nudes to my friends. She was an amazing woman. I still literally cry over it from time to time.
delete the nudes anon
You deserve getting dumped over that.
But you should also get over it and accept your fault in it.
How does one get over it? I've met other girls but still think of her.
You've got to ask yourself that question and break it down, verbalize it.
Saying it out loud makes it strangely more real and trying to get at the root of it can uncover a lot of insecurities and feelings you have deep down.
Like an alcoholic, you first need to find the problem, recognize it and you start your journey towards recovery.
I can't tell you what to do exactly, I'm not your friend, I'm not family, I don't know you. All I can do is give a general and basic guideline of what has helped me maintain a healthy mindset to confront my own issues.
That sounds like solid advice. Cheers!
seek help
Jimmy was in the situation where Kim was quite literally the last person alive that cared about him at all.
Even the other prisoners only respected him as Saul, remember?
These people heard half a dozen times Jimmy half-hassing Mike's speech on forgetting one's own sins, and actually believed him every time. I cant fathom how someone could be this stupid.
Yikes. Toxic masculinity much? Jimmy should have moved on and found love elsewhere like a normal person okay. Not drag Kim back into his shit
Kim didn't find love elsewhere either.
Jimmy in his typical con-like way got Kim to see some closure on his Saul persona that she helped him build.
Um, it's just another hole dude. There's billions of em out there. If this had happened right after they broke up it would make some sense him going full rere but years later he woulda missed her but nothing like that.
I think Kim did the finger guns back and that's why he looked so glum. He proved he can change but she can't.
>kim gets the YUP YUP YUP
perfect ending for redditcucks
Because it’s literally forbidden by the Ministry of Truth to show a massive victory against (this) federal government.
Unironically this
The “prison as atonement, but unironically” angle caught me off guard. It’s pretty widely known that the US prison system is absolute shit
>It’s pretty widely known that the US prison system is absolute shit
the propaganda is working
Second half of season 6 was trash. Time people accept that.
Genuinely if Jimmy had taken the seven years and then spent time outside prison being a consultant for true crime shows/the DEA on how criminals work he would've atoned and then some and got to use his talents and charisma for good.
From what we knew of Kim's character she would've respected him too. He's no good to anyone in prison and actually has the knowledge to do good in the world.
This is the one time where a happy ending would've made perfect sense and been realistic to the character's motives. Walter and Jesse's endings were way too happy for their arcs; this would've made the most plot sense.
>Genuinely if Jimmy had taken the seven years and then spent time outside prison being a consultant for true crime shows/the DEA on how criminals work he would've atoned and then some and got to use his talents and charisma for good.
Saul would never do that though. If he took the deal he would have got out and gone right back to being the same slimey butthole he'd always been.
It would have been more real but I think that would have been even darker than life in prison.
True but this is a tv show not real life. The ending makes sense for the show.
Yes, Saul wouldn't do that, so that's why I'm saying he would be a consultant on these shows as James McGill, a normal man who actively raises awareness of criminals, unable to be Saul again because he has moved on.
He couldn't move on without confessing anon holy frick. If he took the deal he would have been Saul forever. How have the themes of the show just flown right over your head?
Why do you think Saul's mental state is the most important thing? Jesse is free, Walt is dead, Hank dead, Marie grieving, etc, but for some reason, Saul must absolve himself of guilt at all costs. A show can end with someone guilty.
>It would have been more real but I think that would have been even darker than life in prison.
That's fine. Doesn't have to be happy or morally right.
>another thread full of people who dont understand the spiritual value of Jimmy's choice
Yikes
>He felt LE BAD
How can anyone unironically defend this? It goes against everything w have ever known about Saul
>But he changed, its called character developement
Not when you do it all out the blue in 10 seconds at the end of the series it isnt, its called hack writing
Speedwatcher. Jimmy always had feelings of remorse when he saw things went too far.
nice cope
like for fricks sakes, he had immediate regrets about Howard, even before Lalo showed up.
Go look at Jimmy's face when Howard tells him his marriage is falling apart. He realizes he's been kicking a helpless man around for the past month.
Everyone has regrets.
Most people dont have the regrets Saul had. Like, dude, I've never been the main cause behind my brother suicide
jimmy always make sad faces. then he goes ahead with whatever evil shit he was going to do.
And that's because Jimmy only ever knew how to double down, which is exactly what Chuck was trying to tell him. "An alcoholic, who refuses to admit he's got a problem", remember.
>muh speedwatcher
You need to go back.
exactly. it goes everything we know about Saul. as he said to Kim when she wanted to confess, "we both are too smart for this", because he knows justice in Anerica is just a meme and there is no real redemption in doing the martyr and waste your life in prison.
if they wanted him to make amend in the end, they should have put more effort in the original writing and think of an effective solution that doesn't clash with his character, like they did for walter white.
>it goes everything we know about Saul
He no longer wants to be "Saul," or do you think the episode's title is a coincidence?
Jimmy was no different to Saul did you even watch the show
I did, but "Saul Goodman" was really a coping mechanism for killing his brother and Howard. Jimmy was always a scumbag for sure, but never on the level he attained after compartmentalizing everything that happened to him. Saul Goodman wouldn't sweat over manipulating a grieving widow to further his goals, but Jimmy would.
Lmfao did you? Jimmy cares about Chuck, about Irene, about weak people, sail don't give a frick. Also, Jimmy isn't slipping Jimmy, in the end we just see Jimmy
>mental gymnastics
You got filtered my man
>le Jimmy was good all along
Imagine thinking this isnt giga cringe
He wasn't good, he was complicated. He had a good heart, but also loved the thrill of the con so much he was an addict for it.
your confusing fricking kim. Jimmy was never good.
Sure, that's why je took care of his brother, he lost all his potential elderly clients just to help Irene, he tried to change Kim mind about Howard... Man, how to show you are a complete dumb frick
>Jimmy only spent months getting up at the crack of dawn every single day so Chuck could get his daily needs met
>Jimmy tanked his own scheme to get the Sandpiper Settlement money because he realized he left Irene alone and friendless for the rest of her life
>Jimmy knew he was taking things with Howard way too far, but kept going for Kim's sake
Yeah bro, totally mental gymnastics
Agree, but I think it's better to say that we see James McGill.
he was slipping jimmy homosexual he conned Oakley, he conned the US Attorney office, and he made a mockery of the Court.
He didn't do that to scam people, he just wanted to confess in front of the only person that mattered to him (Kim). Slippin' Jimmy would have taken the 7-years deal without even thinking about it.
WHY THE MY LAWYER WILL REAM YOUR ASS
>WALTER WHITE: STAY IN YOUR LANE
>hires a country bumkin to be the lawyer in national federal case.
He wanted to frick them all up anon why else would he reverse psychology his way to montrose.
I'm not saying that James is perfect, but he is still fundamentally different from Slippin' Jimmy. I think the example I have brought is basically a definitive refutation of your point: Slippin' Jimmy would have taken the 7-years deal, while James McGill wouldn't. I'm sure you can concede that this is a GIANT difference between the two personas.
Oh my God you are so moronic, he get Oakley when he is still thinking about getting only 7 years, did you even watched the episode??????????
you still think there is a difference between Saul and james mcgill?
did Jimmy ever offer to have one of his own clients whacked
>Jimmy didnt do this one exact thing so that proves me right
moron
Yes, there was a difference between Jimmy and Saul, that's the whole point of the ending. "Saul" is what you get when Jimmy represses every human aspect of his soul.
leave aside the ending that doesn't make sense. jimmy and saul are the same thing, they make it clear through the serie. saul goodman is just a mask to express his true self. the same as Heisenberg/Walter white. are you one of those morons that believes Heisenberg is different from Walter?
I dont believe Heisenberg is different than Walter, but I still believe Saul is different than Jimmy. Saul has no goal, he just scams to make money. It's what you get when you deprive Jimmy of all his humanity. He progressively loses any sense of morality, any goal in life: he basically just makes money and spend it on prostitutes and frivolities to dull the pain.
Jimmy on the other hand is a real person. He is flawed, but he's not only his flaws (only Saul is all his flaws with none of his virtues). Jimmy is a human, Saul is a mask.
Basically, I think it's basically the opposite of Walt: in that case the mask (Heisenberg) was his real personality, and the human (Walt) was just a facade.
Jimmy was always Saul, he stole from his parents and did the slipping thing since he was 22.
None of these things put Jimmy anywhere close Saul. I agree that they were both scammers, but their moral compass was completely different.
The entire fricking show has shown you Jimmy feeling guilty for the bad shit he's doing and how he's constantly convincing himself to do the wrong things.
But you didn't actually watch it, so you don't know that.
>Getting filtered this hard
And that Schrader b***h did it AGAIN in Card Counter.
The entire season was shit, it didnt even feel like BCS the quality drop off was so massive
Just like S5 Breaking Bad. Vince can’t wrap up a show to save his life.
BRAVO VINCE
I will never watch BB or BCS again FRICK VINCE YOU HACK SHIT
>SO, YOU WERE ALWAYS LIKE THIS
WALTCHADS RISE
WE'RE DONE WHEN I SAY WE'RE DONE
Only white people can understand this ending.
Dunno about that, I think muslims, Buddhists and Hindus could understand it very well too. It certainly flies over the head of people completely devoid of spirituality
It makes me laugh seeing all the people defending this dog shit ending by saying:
>YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND IT
No i understand it perfectly, it's still dog shit
I thought he was going to cop to Howard's murder at first but that would have been moronic.
On the other hand, if he'd sworn to something that exonerated Kim wouldn't she then have committed perjury?
Yeah, that's why this theory is moronic. Jimmy didn't confess to save Kim
He was miserable living Gene's life of avoiding his mistakes and doing frick all anything all day which is why he got back into crime with the ID theft scheme.
He will ironically be far happier surrounded by criminals asking him for legal advice giving him excitement and purpose and being able to finally be honest with and about himself without putting on some persona for the first time in his life.
It should have ended without all this stupid howard bullshit, just have Saul get found by some mob/gang members he ripped off at the end of BB and he gets killed by them. Having him become le GOODman was cringe
>YUP
>YUP
>YUP
>conman tortured by his role in his brother's death finally comes out of his shell created by trauma and admits his wrongdoing
how is everyone getting filtered by this?
because they're soulless, emotionless autists who can't understand why someone would do something for moral or spiritual reasons like redeeming themselves and atoning for their sins. it doesn't "make sense" to them to do anything for any reason other than material gain, even if he's miserable and has nothing left
It's not all about Chuck though, Kim has a central role, he wouldn't ever come out of his shell if it wasn't for kim
All of BCS should have be post BB not pre, yeah maybe have some flash backs to fill in the history of Saul but the series should have been about Saul deal with the consequences of BB
because he proved chuck right, he is slippin jimmy. He fricked Oakely and the judge and the US attorney, this all national news. He just wanted to con one more time.
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WALTER'S HEAD LOOKED SO BIG ???
IT DIDNT LOOK LIKE THAN IN BB
He used a bald cap that covered his hair, same thing they did in El Camino.
if he used a bald cap in BCS, then they did a much better job then they did in EC lol
Cranston didnt shave his head bald for this, just put on a bald cap
because he didn't shave but used one of those plastic thing to cover his hair and fake baldness
YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND MY INTELLIGENCE
>TIME TRAVEL AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS
>LOOK AT ME SAUL I'M PICKLE WALT
What happened to the Sandpiper money plot? I though Jimmy would have to do some time and found himself to be rich once he got out.
that shit ended like 1 or 2 episode ago homosexual.
it was settled shortly after the Howard chicanery; after Howard freaks out, Rich Schweikart tells Cliff that the current offer is final and will decrease in value the longer they wait.
holy speedwatch, he used that money to buy himself all the shit that made him the saul goodman we see in breaking bad
But the flashbacks show him working at some supermarket. Did he get rich after that?
The first 2 seasons of BCS are so fricking good and comfy and i wish the entire show was that
he has nothing lmao being in jail is better for him than being alone
moron incels smdh
he is in jail AND he's alone
or do you think kim will come visit every week? dumb motherfricker
The ending was shit
They could have done the dark ending
>Saul takes the deal, gets out, continues being a miserable slimey frick until he dies, never sees Kim again
Probably more realistic than what we got and would still make thematic sense, or
>the ending they did
Anything else would have been shit. All you
>buh why didn't he just take the deal then do community service or some shit to atone
people are morons who never understood the show. There was never going to be a happy ending if he took the deal.
I can’t believe they would ruin the entire show and Jimmy’s character by turning him into a simp just to get upvotes from redditors
That was fricking garbage
they didn't ruin jimmy, he was always like this, Saul was just him try Harding in the end heavens fell and he returned to his natural state slippin' jimmy the great conman.
they ruined breaking bad too with all the gay crossover shit
awful
reminder they had to rewrite the season when Bob had his vaxx attack
Because Kim would have lost everything
there are only two options for saul in this story: death or lifetime jail.
if saul gets out in 7 years, there's no conclusion. you just wonder "wow what will saul get up to in 7 years when he gets out?"
it would have been more fun to see him only get 7 years and win and then they play the full saul theme, but they had no choice
no. jesse's story "ended" with him still in hiding in alaska.
which was dumb and he only got a shitty movie. if he gets out in 7 years, he basically back where he started narratively when he was in omaha.
yeah because jesse found peace after the events of el camino, it's very clearly shown in season 6 of bcs that jimmy is miserable and has nothing left, doubly so if he had to go to prison for 7 years and came out broke
> if he had to go to prison for 7 years and came out broke
You are an absolute moron if you think he would be broke after coming out of prison
Book deals/movie deals/consultation etc would make him a millionaire WHILE he was still in prison.
Only literal simps enjoyed this finale
>it would have been more fun to see him only get 7 years and win and then they play the full saul theme, but they had no choice
This would've been awesome
>ending scene
>saul in low security jail
>sitting on his bed looking smug
>eating mint chocolate chip ice cream
>theme plays
>chucks voice: "he'll never change"
because you will gobble it up anyway
He wanted to give Kim what she deserved.
He'd rather spend the rest of his life in jail as Jimmy McGill than spend one more second being Saul Goodman. That's why he did what he did. Helping Kim out was just a bonus
Again though, he literally has to LARP as Saul in prison
He doesnt LARP as Saul. Other people call him Saul, but he acts as James McGill
He's accepting the identity others are projecting onto him instead of being honest and trying to forge a new identity for the prisoners to know him as. A simple friendly "Hey Saul!" "Cmon man, it's Jimmy!" in the kitchen scene would've been enough to show that Saul's gone.
Only person left who knows Jimmy is Kim.
Jimmy is Saul, only redditors think otherwise
the prison industrial complex won in the end.
fricking depressing sad ass ending, take me to the good timeline.
>HE DID IT FOR HER, SEE HE IS A GOOD GUY DEEP DOWN.
It’s so clear that death would have been better for this character because nobody buys that choosing to die in prison so one person can like you is reasonable, kek
It was his timemachine moment.
He thought about what he would regret in 40 years and it would have been fricking over Kim for his freedom
but isn't she the one who ratted him out in the first place, causing him to have to take the fall for their crimes?
BETTER KEK SIMP
she didn't rat him out.
She acted like she didn't know if he's still alive
when she went to the police too? then WHY the frick would Jimmy HAVE to take the fall then? just to help Kim avoid jail time/being sued? it's so stupid. lazy hack writing that doesn't even make sense.
He didn't have to, he wanted to.
>Kim is just as if not more complicit in Howard's death because she pushed Jimmy to continue the con
>she confesses to HER crimes to clear her conscience
>worst that happens to her is bankruptcy
>if Saul doesn't go to prison for 86 years then somehow he fricked her over
lol this is your mind on reddit
why are you mad at me for it?
Giving Jesse and Saul endings was a mistake. both suck
what happened to jeff
People here really genuinely are autistic. The ending was not "realistic" or "logical" to them so they're losing their minds.
It's a fricking tv show. It's a made up story. The ending needs to make thematic sense and pay off the themes set up in the story which it did. No a real person probably would not have chosen to do what Jimmy did but that's ok, he isn't a real person, he doesn't need to behave like a real person.
You don’t know anything about writing. People always identify with the characters and anything illogical they will reject. It’s Vince’s fault for having the character out himself away in prison for such low stakes.
>low stakes
You didn't understand the show. Autism.
Why didn't Jimmy make use of his knowledge of hell and the devil existing, as shown in Slippin Jimmy?
>Everyone saying that the finale is meant to show that Saul is gone
The writers couldn't even get that right. Saul gets a Joker moment on the bus and is shown to have plenty of respect in prison because he's Saul, not Jimmy. He's going to spend the rest of his life coasting on that reputation instead of being his own man like he feebly attempted to be at the last minute.
Thats the point
I suppose it's consistent, Saul managing to almost get out on top then sabotage himself for one dumb reason or another.
Uhh yeah actually frick your sociopathic FED douchebag husband, I literally had nothing to do with that bald frick and his beaner partner getting pumped full of lead. Hope he rots. I'm leaving this place in 7 years anyway. Adios b***h. Don't steal anything on the way out.
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Bravo, I say bravo! Hank and Steve deserved what they got.
The plea deal is absurd to begin with. By the same logic he used to argue going to trial would be a bad idea for them, the chance of spending life in prison is too much of a risk. The DA has the advantage here, they should have made the deal something like 16-20 years instead.
Every big moment in the show has been absurd.
Yeah the team of hot shot fed lawyers buckling right away seemed completely wrong.
That’s why he asked MUHREE to come in though so he could show off how good he is at acting. It spooked the prosecutor because, as he mentioned, he only needed 1 stand out juror. They made it a point to mention that the DA had a perfect record and given his age it was another hint that hed be eager to get a plea deal instead of taking it to trial where he would have a non zero risk of ruining his perfect record
The real unbelievable part was having Jimmy ruin his life to simp for Kim one last time
I hated the ending. Jimmy should have gotten away with it, done ONE MORE flash forward to see him and kim married and back together. the color returns to frame as they kiss, and end credits. boom, that ending is 100x better than what we got. felt like they wanted the last courtroom scene just for the "redemption" moments. I actually enjoyed most of the season and the beginning of the last episode, but they jumped the shark too hard with the martyr ending. so bad.
No it would have been the worst ending possible. They didn't deserve a happy ending and Jimmy becoming worse, to the point of threatening Marion showed that. He finally realizes at the hearing and does the right thing.
>they don't deserve a happy ending
lmao. chuck/howard fan?
Deal with it. Damn near everything in media today is gritty, le morally grey, subversive shit. I don't care for two sociopaths tearing everyone down to live happily ever after and neither did the writers. You've been watching all this time, you knew some form of punishment and catharsis was coming. Saul going back to where he began would be a bad ending, him and Kim going back to their ways would be a bad ending. Generally things have to happen and change in story telling, those two going back to scamming would just be undoing the many hours they spent.
why does Saul need to be "punished" for his crimes? is everything in life cause > effect? lmfao. I know it may sound unrealistic but a happy ending would have been more kino. dont act like the show wasn't building to a typical reunion....they even introduce a stupid boyfriend for kimmy to dump for Jimmy like in every romcom how they get together at the end and she chooses the one she loves over the dumb jerk.
The show was called Better Call Saul not better simp for Kim. I enjoyed him putting on the suit again, btfo-ing the prosecution at the beginning, was expecting courtroom kino or a flashforward 7 years but no. they have to give me shit ending. I hated it, and not because i have bad taste. because it was objectively shit.
You got your capeshit ending where le epic badass escapes le punishment for his crimes xD with Breaking Bad
you actually liked the ending? lol
Yes, as did many people
Breaking Bad's ending left a bad taste in my mouth for years and BCS redeemed the GilliganVerse for me
cringe.
You know what's cringe? Actually thinking that le epic Heisenberg sciencing the SHIT out of that car and le epically gunning down le Nazis with a machine gun xD is a good ending
stick to capeshit
BrBa ending fits the character, he had cancer anyway so was probably not going to live much.
BCS ending is moralhomosexualry, simping x10000, and lazy hack writing. "ohhhh he's jimmy now, ohhh he DID THE RIGHT THING BY BOTCHING HIS PLEA DEAL AND FRICKING HIS LIFE UP!"
like, when Kim confesses - that is the part where I stopped believing what the characters do. that was really lazy writing
Breaking Bad's ending was pandering to all the manchildren and failsons in the audience who identified with the Heisenberg power fantasy
Happy ending would have been boring and unfair. Bad people losing is what makes us enjoy stories. As for simping for Kim, he always did.
am I a moron or is Jimmy/Saul/Gene not a bad guy? I consider him redeemable even after the scenes in Nippy and events of BrBa. Bob even said so. I don't think he deserved his fate at all. Most vinceverse characters die so at least he's not dead. I am so surprised everyone is accepting this contrived ending at face value. could have been SO much better.
how does it make sense for him to take the fall for Kim's crimes and thats a "good" ending? seems like a rushed redemption arc
>HE GAVE UP HIS LIFE, HE IS TOTALLY "REDEEMED NOW" WORTH IT!
He isn't "taking the fall" for Kim. He's admitting to the crimes HE committed, he's finally stopped blaming others for his own actions and is suffering the consequences for it.
>HE GAVE UP HIS LIFE
How many people died or otherwise had their lives ruined as a result of Jimmy's actions? Oh wait they're not the protagonist so they don't count in my sociopathic, solipsistic worldview
1. he literally is taking the fall, he says he is the one who did everything when otherwise Kim would have faced legal trouble. this makes his sentence go from 7 years to 86 do u even watch the show??
2.
those people died because of walt and the salamancas. Jimmy unironically did NOTHING wrong and he doesn't deserve to be in prison for the rest of his life.
Howard Hamlin is literally dead because Saul Goodman helped get Lalo Salamanca secure bond, which he then immediately skipped and went on another murder spree
thats not how that works. He died because of Lalo, Jimmy had nothing to do with Howard's death. wrong place wrong time. jimmy was just trying to get the sandpiper case and money for kim
Your intentions don't matter, only the result. Walt didn't intend for the plane to crash, it still happened because of him.
You don't think Jimmy helping a crazed murderer escape prison makes him at all culpable in the psycho's continued murders?
They remind you time and time again that the government has no case for anything they said about Howard Hamlin's murder. There's no evidence, no body, everyone involved besides Jimmy and Kim is dead. Any blowback Kim is going to get is 100% due to the civil suit Cheryl Hamlin is going to file against her, where the burden of proof is much lower.
Jimmy got 86 years for laundering Heisenberg's money, helping grow his distribution network and keeping him out prison
And by confessing to everything, Jimmy shields Kim as he can claim the murder is oc related and Kim was fearful for her life.
so Jimmy fricks his deal literally for NO REASON.
that makes the ending even worse, you can't even call him a righteous simp. he's just a dumbass.
No matter how you slice it, this ending - into the trash it goes! I'm switching timelines.
Yeah, the point is that Jimmy could have slipped away from consequences for his actions once again, but he chose not to because he wanted to be a better person and have some sort of relationship with Kim once again
>having a friendship with your ex and feeling "redeemed" is worth 86 years in prison
nah, still not buying it champ. I'm happy he didn't kill himself but it's a nonsensical moral filled reddit ending.
The problem is that you're incapable of understanding why anyone would do anything without a material benefit to themselves
Jimmy deserved better. i'll leave it at that. he fricked himself for nothing so the "bad guy can get whats comin to him and change his ways". jimmy is smart as frick, he wouldn't just frick himself over to impress kim and feel better about himself?. stupid ending
why would he go out of the way to say Kim has no involvement then? and why does he confess to more than he originally does if it doesn't affect kim at all?
Love.
>Oh wait they're not the protagonist so they don't count in my sociopathic, solipsistic worldview
Wow, you are so cool and wordly and smart. Please post some more.
Yeah, I'm sorry that it upsets you that I read
Kim was a part of all of the howard schemes and it benefited her more than jimmy lol, it might have even been her idea.
He didn't take the fall for her at all.
Ruining people's lives through scams makes you pretty bad yes. Hitching up with cartels, murderers, drug manufacturers makes you bad.
>he didn't take the fall
did we watch the same show?
Kim confesses to cops about howard stuff
>Jimmy in court says I did it all, she didn't do anything
>Jimmy gets 86 years and she gets none
how is he not taking the fall exactly?
That's just hack writing. Having the show end on a doomer martyr twist is awful. Gould and Vince can tongue my anus. Jimmy is "redeemed" for botching his plea deal and putting himself in jail for life? ending was trash
The problem is there is no benefit to doing the right thing. If that's supposed to absolve everything he's done for the past 2 seasons then it didn't work. If it wasn't supposed to absolve that much then what's the fricking point? If anything this makes the case that being a martyr is pointless much like walter in the final season. I get the feeling the writers really start hating their characters midway through and do not plan for any "good" endings.
Why did he only get 86 years instead of life + 190 years?
Part of the agreement was dropping some of the charges, I believe the accomplice to felony murder ones.
So when the charges reach the judge and sentencing is decided, they've got less to work with to determine an expanded sentencing beyond the agreed 7 years.
I don't know if that's how it actually works, or if they could've just revoked their current case and rebuilt it with the extra charges put back in. Either way they effectively got Saul for life in prison anyway.
Thanks
Cant wait for them to announce the Mike spin off series and the Kim spin off series and the Jesse spin off series and the Wlats crippled kid spin off series.....
>he doesn't want cripplekino
gay
He did it for the nookie
Kimmy conjugal visits? she dumps mayo guy and raises sauls kid, names him Charles.
>Guy known for being intelligent and self-preserving goes to jail for 86 because of love to redeem himself
I think they thought it sounded as smart as it looks on paper but in reality it's just stupid. I'd shoot my own parents in the head to avoid 86 years
As a lawyer, I really don't see how they could pin Jimmy on accessory to murder for Hank and Steve unless I'm forgetting something from BB.
something something rico?
Wasn't Saul the one who got Walter in contact with the Neo Nazis?
no, saul introduced them to the fumigators and todd was just a guy working there
If he was offered 7 years, does this mean that if he had turned himself in right after Walter's death and helped the feds, he would have about 5 years? So why the frick was he hiding at all
Zero years is better than five years.
Like he said on the phone, he sees himself coming out on top (until he shoots himself in the foot).
But he was a wagecuck with shitty job
He could make millions on books and shit after 5 years
He still could. To someone like Saul, that sentence is a challenge. He already got the transfer out.
What didn't do it for me in this episode was the scene where the main government lawyer suddenly gets this "oh shit" look on his face when Saul tells him he only needs one jury. Consequently, this entire team of high powered government lawyers proceeds to let him walk all over them with his demands based on this fear that they might lose in trial to a self-representing TV lawyer with mountains of incontrovertible evidence against him. All because he has some lame, generic "I was a victim" sob story.
The only way this writing can be considered good is if we subscribe to the theory that everything from "Nippy" onwards is just a fantasy of Gene's as he lives out the rest of his days in a boring, lonely life.
that walt scene was fricking terrible
the only good part is that he talks about time machine so it's another W for timeline schizos
I think it just cements that the allusions to time travel were intentional and Better Call Saul as both prequel and sequel to Breaking Bad is a "time machine" of sorts
I like to imagine there's a timeline where Chuck and howard live 🙂
only ∞ to go
So this is how BCS ends with Jimmy cucking his entire life some for mediocre pussy he had years ago?
Yes. It’s a government psy-op designed to trick white men into marrying used up white prostitutes.
Now go to your local pub and get on your knee anon, someone needs to take care of Daquan and Raynene so you need to go and make a proper woman out of their mother
Kim is literally anything but mediocre, shes kind, smart and loyal to jimmy at least for a time. hes a moron for not pumping several kids in her
I literally have no fricking clue. This question will haunt us for ages.
>insanely popular with both the inmates and guards
>transferred from ADX Florence to a county jail
Jimmy is eating his ice cream rn and shaving years off thru legal wrangling. He’d probably got out due to COVID
>transferred from ADX Florence to a county jail
not canon
How so? It was in the episode.
where, the promotional image? The final shot of Jimmy he's wearing an ADX jumpsuit.
In the credits.
>people defending Gould's hack writing
Why do you think Odenkirk looked like he was smelling shit during Talking Saul? He knew the ending and hated it. The guy had a heart attack and shaved years off his life to make this show just for some shitty writer to make some half ass ending with completely muddled character motivations.
The only time Odenkirk smiled during discussing the show was when he recounted meeting Carol Burnett and that's probably because of his background in sketch comedy.
The show had some good acting and set pieces, but the writing and cinematography was derivative horseshit.
The amount of lingering close up shots and Dutch angles got way out of hand
why did the show have to end here? is there any reason we can't get more of saul's story?
Saul was an act.
He was Jimmy the whole time. His whole character arc was that he would prove to everyone he could act as a lawyer.
It's like at the End when the Devil takes off the mask and reveals it was all a bit. It's the payoff.