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Record a gay porno of him with Jimmy Olsen
Black or white?
A decent movie that had everything going against it. Thanks DC.
It was lowest denominator schwarbage recycled from every overused superhero movie trope, topped with a harmless sit-com Mexican family truly befitting George shit-stain Lopez.
>I have a small white penis
No one cares about Blue Beetle. Let me put it to you this way, if the X Men are has been nothing characters movie wise these days then Blue Beetle stood no chance.
>Cape-shit burnout is obviously hitting hard.
>DC ends up taking the front of it because they didn't build a decade of films that zoomers get nostalgic for do to their catalogue being mostly shit past the nolan trilogy.
>Marvel puts out cape-slop as well, with more releases per year than DC helping fuel cape-shit fatigue but have that nostalgic factor that at least keeps them relatively afloat.
Bravo Disney. You're both killing marvel and DC at the same time
>the ladder goes both ways
sup ladderbro
>Bravo Disney. You're both killing marvel and DC at the same time
well, they could always adapt some non-cape comics from the Big 2
Announcing Gunn will be taking over and resetting everything while there were still SIX MOVIES LEFT TO RELEASE cost WB probably a billion dollars
Four posts in before someone said it. Why the hell would anyone care when the whole thing is getting rebooted in a year or two? There's no goodwill for DC movies like there was for Marvel leading into Endgame for anyone to see its last hurrah.
But Blue Bettle is connected to DCU!
>There's no goodwill for DC movies
this pretty much nailed it
the whole DCEU began with a months-long public denial that tens of thousands of people were killed in the attack on Metropolis, even though huge buildings are leveled and debris rains into crowded streets and you never see any evidence of evacuations, not that a whole city that size could evacuate in minutes, and the obvious disconnect that Superman and Lois stand in the pulverized corpse-dust of their city and make out instead of doing something sane or relatable (and one of the VFX guys is apparently still making that argument ten years later because of Flash), then the very next movie in the sequence had Batman driving a tank over human beings and blasting them with guns "because they're bad guys", it's trite garbage that presents the same "I'm the good guy, back me" attitude everybody hated on Green Lantern a few years earlier
they backed the wrong horse, thinking it was about money, but the Marvel equivalent would have been building the MCU off the back of Incredible Hulk and keeping Norton around instead of RDJ because "murderhobos are relatable", then accusing anybody who complained of being a DCgay
Maybe if they started with Bana Hulk
WB made enormous bets on Snyder and Gunn and I look forward to a few years from now when people can estimate which hiring was more disastrous.
What is DC doing? I don't get what is wrong with them. Can they just stop making the movies for a long time. None of this makes any sense.
Current DCEU was pretty dogshit and most people don't really care for B-listers like Blue Beetle and even the rest of the Justice League cast outside of Batman and Superman.
There's a reason despite how bad the DCEU was doing, The Joker and The Batman did well. Most people just don't care for the main universe baggage anymore even with big names attached to direct like James Gunn with the suicide squad.
DC would probably have more luck announcing another Watchmen film than selling anyone on another Wonder Woman, Aquaman, or Flash flick.
>DC would probably have more luck announcing another Watchmen film
Watchmen only made like 300 mil against a 120 million budget, it performed worse than Shazamwow.
*made 186 million.
A complete flop.
That’s gross, not net. They don’t pocket 128mil and may have actually lost cash depending on production/promotional costs.
That's most Snyderfilms
>Current DCEU was pretty dogshit and most people don't really care for B-listers like Blue Beetle and even the rest of the Justice League cast outside of Batman and Superman.
Exactly. Marvel waited until they setup all the main heroes they knew would sell tickets before they took chances on Rocket Racoon or Ant-Man. DC failed to set up a likeable Superman and Batman, so without them as pillars to hold the franchise up nobody was going to go see the smaller heroes.
DC should have done Justice League Mortal it would have killed the MCU and the real Trinity would still be on top!
You don't do the Avengers movie right out of the gate. You need to do one movie each for the three main characters, then you introduce the d-listers. Making a justice league movie the first movie is exactly the same mistake James Gunn is making with his new Superman movie.
They could start with a JL movie as long as they don't start with the team forming. Just start with the tower existing and the established hero friends fighting some planetary menace. Throw people into the action and let them catch up with the plot and character relationships as it goes.
If you want to build up hype and get people onboard and emotionally invested you need to do the standalone movies first. It's not that hard to copy the MCU formula, but studios keep failing every time. Dark Universe. The DCEU. Even the X-Men movies didn't succeed as much as it could have because they were all team movies and occassionally a wolverine or deadpool movie.
Disregard the standalone you start with an existing hero universe and have your first movie follow the newest member so the other characters showing the ropes will act as their introductions then you do their solo movies after the fact. Hell pitch a Jessica Cruz movie with her joining the league and trying to live up to Hal's accomplishments and then making her future solo movie a space centric flick about him being possessed by Parallax and the Lantern Corps working together to save him with shit like the manhunters getting thrown in.
Plus I don't want to see another movie about some fresh faced farm boy clark becoming a Jesus allegory so an ot her Lex can try to kill him just give me War World or Cyborg Superman.
>you start with an existing hero universe
Imagine if the first avengers movie came out without any of the context of the phase 1 mcu movies. You'd have to waste time explaining all these characters origin stories instead of getting to the action. Starting a DC universe where the superheroes already exist and already formed the league begs the questions will just cause the same problems. Sure you can skip over Batman and Supermans origin stories because everyone knows those guys because of pop culture osmosis. But nobody really knows Green Lantern or Hawkman or Power Girls origin stories. And fans want to see those stories told on the big screen in epic fashion. And if you skip all that and jump right to the first avengers movie without any setup, we'll never see those stories get their own movie.
Nobody wants to see another origin story.
Correction. Nobody wants to see another Superman and Batman origin story.
But you do need origin stories to establish why the character believes in his moral code and why he stands for truth justice and the american way.
Then skip the team shit. Instead of introducing all these characters and teams. Simply focus the movie around your hero and have the universe as matter of fact.
Creeper is fighting crime in Gotham? Simply have Z or Batman appear in the back or be mentioned stopping XYZ event that the star can't reach.
Power girl is on the way to fight her villean? Why not show her stopping on the way to help Super Boy with a problem? 90s movies could do this and didn't need a solo for all of their heroes. Why can't DC? Let tests audiences react and go from there if the cameo char is worth pursuing.
I don't need a full movie for Creeper or Sandman, wiki would be plenty.
>Why can't DC?
Because it's DC and fans don't want any of the characters to be short changed by lack of screentime or proper character development by packing everyone into one movie.That and in a Superman movie Superman should be the main character and not be upstaged by Guy Gardener.
Hawkeye and Black Widow didn't get a lot of backstory before the first Avengers, did they?
NTA but thats not the point you dumb Black person those two were your typical clandestine agent so you dont need solo movie for them
This would suck as a movie. Because its essentially movies centered around the audience being told Hal is the greatest thing since sliced bread without seeing it and the stand in you got is just showing how much they suck.
You need a breather where the GL is just doing their own thing and not just filling in footsteps. Or make the team movie less emphasis on being a rookie.
You don't need to be shown why the predecessor is legendary living in their shadow is just a character trait and an easy to use moment where the character becomes their own hero. That's one of the main early things for Jaime taking on Ted's mantle and the movie was shit for not doing it.
It would prevent Marvel from succeeding
At this point only Marvel is keeping itself from succeeding.
>Making a justice league movie the first movie is exactly the same mistake James Gunn is making with his new Superman movie.
I was going to ask what you meant by that, but then I remembered there's like 5 other superheroes in that movie, which makes it a team-up. God, they really are fricking up again.
>God, they really are fricking up again.
Superman is supposed to be the first Superhero. Having him show up in a universe where the Authority and Green Lantern are already a thing robs him of the respect the character should be given. I trust James Gunn to make a competently made movie. But it won't be a good Superman movie.
Hell the DCEU already retconned Superman being an anomaly by stating "actually there are super-powered beings who go back at least 40 years and they're ran by fricking Amanda Waller"
And that of course went well.
Exactly my point.
You people are overreacting.
Not true
Yeah you are.
With how much we've been disappointed and fricked over by Zack Snyder, Bill Hamada, The Rock, WB and DC in general. Can you blame us? At this point even if it's a good movie I fully expect the new Superman movie to bomb.
>Bill Hamada
Walter Hamada
There hasn't been a good Superman movie since the seventies, so there probably wont be another good one. That's just being realistic.
>Green Lantern
It's fine if it's Abin who stays off Earth
James Gunn looks like a fricking homosexual. It's ridiculous how every jacks off over these cucks in Hollywood. We can't have kino because these people are pussies and have no soul. Hollywood prostitutes is all they are. None of these gays go independent and make their own films. They just keep pushing out hollywood bs films.
Marvel only did that because they had no choice. Their main draws (spider-man, hulk, x-men, etc) were in copyright knots. They pretty much had a gun to their head to use D-Z listers.
Big advantage on their side was that they actually planned shit and had the noviety of a connecting universe.
>Big advantage on their side was that they actually planned shit and had the noviety of a connecting universe.
Marvel's "planning" has been massively exaggerated. It changed plans a bunch. Marvel's ultimate advantage is that it would course correct in a better way.
>Recasting when necessary (Hulk/Warmachine).
>Living up the the promise of building a team with the Avengers.
>Consistency in still making sequels even after less well received movies.
WB/DC problem is that they tried course correcting after every movie because they were comparing their universe to the Marvel yard stick.
>Expected Man of Steel to be better received, add in Batman.
>Changed Suicide Squad several times through development and editing.
>Etc.
Heck I would even say that Star Wars being shit is also because they chased being like the MCU and they have course corrected too much as well.
>TLJ divisive.
>Solo bombs.
>Bob Iger blames Star Wars fatigue (notice how Bob is now blaming Superhero fatigue for Marvel?)
>Cancels Boba Fett movie and Obi Wan movie.
>Brings back JJ.
>The Mandalorian was successful.
>Hey lets make all those old projects into Disney + shows.
A dog shit movie is a dog shit movie. Iron Man, Blade, Guardians, Suicide Squad did well for being good. Not because people were chomping at the bits for those characters.
DC just keeps chasing trends and lets the good movie part die.
didn't Aquaman make a bilion dollars? maybe general public won't connect it to DC and see the sequel
>didn't Aquaman make a bilion dollars?
Only because of China and underwater spectacle.
>DC refuse to do Man of Steel 2 because Man of Steel didn't do Avengers numbers even though it made money.
>Forces Batman and Wonder Woman in for the sequel.
>Couldn't decide what cut of Suicide Squad to use.
>Ran towards doing Justice League instead of build up.
>Butchered Justice League.
>Only Aquaman left to release.
>Thought it would fail so they debated a reboot.
>Aquaman did big numbers.
>Kept on going instead, WW sequels and Shazam end up grinding down and removing the last vestiges of hope.
>Rock jumps on Black Adam as another mini reboot to reinvigorate the universe.
>Shit fails badly.
>Flash becomes another new reboot with Supergirl and Batgirl coming.
>All that shit happens.
>Still loads of stuff to come but they push Gunn in.
>Aquaman sequel still left to release as the last pre-Gunn era movie.
>Will either fail completely or do crazy numbers.
I forgot this came out lmao.
I guess Jaime's going to get buried for a while. They've been pushing him for years but he never really caught on.
They'd have more luck with Mexican Joker than with Mexican symbiote Spider-Man.
>Mexican Joker
That reminds me, whatever happened to that Aztec Batman cartoon? Was it canned?
His promo mini-series did well enough to get an ongoing and Gunn wants to keep Xolo, so it's not so bad. I hope no one was excited to see a sequel with Ted, though.
hell either be in peacemaker or booster gold. gunn already confirmed he will play his dcu version
>inb4 gunn is unreliable
Since the first season of peacemaker and his suicide squad being set in the original DCEU universe and the second season of peacemaker is in the new James Gunn one. I guarantee there is going to be some fourth wall joke in peacemaker about the continuity not making sense and mocking the fans who care about that sort of thing.
atp i wouldnt mind if peacemaker s2 was completely disconnected from s1
>inb4 gunn is unreliable
He kind of is. He was basing whether Levi, Miller and Momoa stay as Shazam, the Flash and Aquaman on if their movies made enough money. Blue Beetle is set to make less than all of those yet he gets to stay? It's not even that I would want Miller to stay as The Flash, but it inconsistent and doesn't make much sense.
Xolo is perfect casting, but the other three were really not good.
He should quit these capeshit movies and finish Cobra Kai.
Pretty sure the strike screwed over filming but they're ready to finish Cobra Kai season 6. Scripts are done and it was ready to shoot. Xolo needs a career after that and I think Blue Beetle is stand alone enough that they can just drag him and his movie in and throw him into Booster Gold.
Those "kids" are going to look so old by the time S6 comes out.
Why do cape movies always have huge budgets?
Actors and CGI
Even trash CGI is expensive. And WB is legendarily bad at managing budgets.
That's how a movie about Superman ends up costing more than The Avengers.
Money laundering
All Gunn needs to do is give Booster Gold film in his style and his DCU is saved.
It may piss off long time Booster Gold fans, but it's the perfect character to sell to normies as a b-lister like the Guardians originally were.
Judging by Skwad Too, I think people are getting a bit wear of Gunn's "buttholes, doofuses and losers" approach to Superheroes.
Nor is it a good template to sell DC's good-guys.
>All Gunn needs to do is give Booster Gold film in his style and his DCU is saved.
Do people care about Booster Gold though? It's not like Blue Beetle got bad reviews, it has a 78% RT. People still didn't see it.
I care about Booster Gold. I don't particularly care if others do or if something is successful. I just want to enjoy what I want to enjoy.
My man
>this was saved over Batgirl
Was it the right move?
Seemed mediocre as shit. Also the muh familia/muh Latino shit isn't attractive to us latinos.
Flash and blue beetle should have been trashed/writen off too
The right move would have been shelving ALL these movies (Batgirl, Shazam 2, The Flash, BB and Aquaman 2) except Joker 2 and give audiences a good 2 year break from DC.
I strongly doubt that Joker 2 is going to recapture the meme magic of the original. I could be wrong, but I have my doubts. Hipsters will see it but that's about it.
Yeah, Joker 1 very much thrived on We Live In a Society memes being peak around it's time.
Joker 2 probably isn't going to capture the same amount of people back and hell, I'd say The Batman 2 isn't either.
Joker got a ton of audience from people who think Joaquin is a serious actor and felt it would be a serious sorta Scorcese take on Gotham.
Now that it's just a musical with an uggo Harley I feel Sweeney Todd money is in it's future.
I thought hipsters didn't like the joker?
Whether they liked it or not; they went to see it.
You don't take that sorta money in with an R rating without nearly EVERYONE showing up.
>Whether they liked it or not; they went to see it.
But why?
>You don't take that sorta money in with an R rating without nearly EVERYONE showing up.
True. I saw a lot of blacks and Hispanics watch joker at the theater I was at. They seem to go AP shit when Joker started murcing all the douche bags in the movie and when Joker danced.
>But why?
Like Barbenheimer, sometimes you can just generate so much buzz that it hardly even matters what it's about. And the Joker is the single most reliable IP that WB owns.
I still don't get Barbenheimer.
Lol
Barbenheimer, like Teh Joker, became an event that you felt everyone else was going to experience, and you'd be left out of "it" if you didn't also go see it.
I guess. I just wanted to see taxi driver joker edition.
That's literally every Cinemaphile movie because no one respects the rules and constantly post massive spoilers op pics, and I end up not bother watching anymore because the surprise is gone and the movies instantly flop
well they sure fricking turned out to see it.
I don't think so because it's like a musical featuring Harley Quinn as Lady Gaga. It won't appeal to the MGTOW crowd. P
What if Lady Gaga's Harley Quinn sings topless?
At least I'll have a mostly empty popcorn vessel ready?
>The Latinx taco burrito movie
LMAOOOOO, did they seriously think they could make a shitton of money from hispanics the same way Black Panther did to Black folks in 2018?
It's not even Wakanda-adjacent, it's just beaners living in the shadow of a white corporate dystopia.
And all the Mexican characters are either underdeveloped/caricatures/both.
They literally FRICKING DID. Those motherfrickers at WB thought my hispanic ass would watch this shit. Motherfrickers could have at least added some fricking THICC ASS b***hes and empanadas in the film.
Everything DC does is a reaction to the MCU.
>Iron Man
Make Green Lantern and Man of Steel as starts to their cinematic universe within 2 years of each other
>The Avengers
Make Batman v Superman in an attempt to catch up, fail horribly
>Captain America
Make Wonder Woman but it doesn't take place in WWII because Cap already beat you to it. Also give her a shield
>Guardians of the Galaxy
Make Suicide Squad as your obscure edgy superhero team-up, does well but is so terrible it taints it's sequels (Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Black Adam)
>Infinity War/Endgame
Attempt to beat Marvel to it's cosmic showdown with Justice League and incorporating Darkseid before Thanos makes his true debut, fails horribly and people now see Darkseid as discount-Thanos when it's the other way around
>Thor Ragnarok
Make Aquaman a lot lighter and comedic culture clashes, actually works out for once but was likely a fluke due to Chinabux
>Deadpool 1 & 2
Make Birds of Prey, don't follow the comics at all and just make an ugly man-hatred movie instead of a funny comic, epically flops
>Spider-Man No Way Home
Make The Flash in an attempt to cash in on nostalgia for old capeshit, not only fails horribly but is extra embarrassing from both Zaslav and Gunn calling it "the best superhero movie ever"
>Black Panther
Made Blue Beetle, possibly just for the naming schemes being similar because that's how pathetic DC is
Blue Beetle really didn't feel like Black Panther at all. Black Panther reeks of the "WE WUZ KANGS" meme and spotlights this false view of Africa that a lot of people hold. Blue Beetle never hits those same beats. It features Mexican pop culture in the same way an American movie would reference American pop culture, and it never really props the race itself up in any way that feels like pandering. The marketing tried to tap into the Mexican movie but honestly every fricking movie does this now. They pander to this singular demographic and fellates them as if they're special. But I do agree with the rest of your points.
Do you remember how WB planned to make Amanda Waller into Fury for the universe Green Lantern was supposed to launch? They were so desperate to have THAT character because Marvel had it so they needed it too.
>Thor Ragnarok
That's the second Wonder Woman movie. It's okay. no one remembers it too.
These are the same people that thought race swapping Justice Society and The Rock would some how bring people to see Black Adam.
Makes sense. Diversity is a bonus and even Cinemaphile wanted the rock for BA in every dream casting thread for the past decade.
Black Panther sold well due to everyone being infatuated by the MCU. How it all connected together. But no one cares about Black Panther independently. Wait ten years and do a solo isolated Black Panther movie and it will fail. Very few Marvel characters can genuinely carry their own movies without the connected MCU novelty. Maybe Iron Man is the only character who he alone rose to prominence from this entire thing. Captain America? No one cares anymore about him.
Was it at least well-received in Mexico?
Only the Chapulin Colorado scene was
It had it's 2nd largest opening in Mexico. However it was just 2.6 million.
Joker only made money because of controversy. As usual.
I think it was more because people love the Joker.
How can I relate to the Joker 2? I can't sing, how am I supposed to get a manic girlfriend who looks like Lady Gaga?
Just find a slightly above average crack prostitute?
Learn how to rap
>I can't sing,
Don't have to. Just bullshit or scream like a madman at a rave/mosh pit
>how am I supposed to get a manic girlfriend who looks like Lady Gaga?
Music clubs/night clubs/music festivals. Emo Night shit.
I don't care, it was good
>$128m worldwide
i get that people will shit on this, but this was going to be an hbo max movie that would have made $0. the only reason it was tossed in theaters at all was to make a little bit of money instead of nothing.
At at $105 million budget and considering the cut movie theaters get from ticket prices, it still lost money
it lost less money than if it were dumped on hbo max. that's the point i'm trying to make. they aren't trying to make as much money as they can, they are trying to lose as little as possible. if they dumped it on hbo max they lost $100 million, but they slapped it in theaters and what scraps they made dropped the loss down to $50 million.
The movie had no marketing. Most people didn't even know it existed.
Both of the Blue Beetle trailers on the official DC youtube have over 20 million views
Most of those are bots and the average casual didn't know it existed.
Looking at the low gross I guess I can't argue against that
>What will DC do when Superman flops?
Definitely cancel any attempts at an internally cohesive cinematic universe. Probably sell or lease the film rights for every character who isn't Batman or Batman adjacent to another studio in exchange for a percentage of the profits.
what happened latinx brox?
Nothing. We have our own movies, we don't need capeshit scraps like some people did.
Nice.
DC as a whole is a doomed franchise, every character is either over 60 years old or a successor to one of those characters.
I'm just glad Jaime got a decent movie and a comics boost out of this. It could've been way worse.
Same, it was a fun family movie. I watched it alone but it absolutely was the sort of film that four generations + extended of family would enjoy watching together crammed into the family room sitting on the sofas, floor and chairs from the kitchen. I expect that it'll do absurdly well on streaming for years to come
Marvel worked because:
>Actors that fit the character, strong characterisation.
>Action and humour.
>Mediocre plot/villain.
>Gimmicks and promise of more.
Now it didn't have to have characters exactly like the comics or anything major.
DCEU:
>Actors are barely given anything to work with.
>Action all over the place.
>Bad plot and villains.
>No real promise.
Frick it isn't rocket science. People can talk about origin stories or building up or this or that. But you just need a balance of a few things and that is it. Chiefly you need a character that feels like they are someone. When you go outside of the balance you get Marvel shit that is overly comedic that you can't take anything seriously (Thor: Love and Thunder shit) or DC movies that drag on with their own sense of self importance (BvS). You don't need Batman or Superman pulling quips to be successful.
You know what? How about DC just dies in general. We don't need anymore capeshit movies. Problem solved.
At this point all I want is a good Superman movie. Just. One. Good. Superman. Movie. before I die. But that won't happen.
Unfortunately WB's stockholders aren't going to allow that to happen.
>"You frickers own Batman, why isn't there a Batman cinematic universe making 3 billion dollars every year like the Marvel movies?? Do it before we all go bankrupt"
A Batman cinematic universe based on the Matt Reeves movies is whats going to keep DC from truly dying. Because he makes so much more money in comparison to the other characters. Which sadly means every other character in the DC universe is never going to ever be given the same sort of respect or time or money investment.
There will always be another good Batman movie coming. There will probably never be a good live action Titans or another Superman movie.
Wait until normies get tired of Batman, then Warner will cry.
god fricking damn that is extremely bad and I'm usually optimistic about this sort of stuff.
thought this is AI slop thread but it's a real poster
How can Gunn justify keeping Xolo when his movie was such a bomb? Capeshit fatigue is real.
Xolo won't get a solo again, for one
When will Warner die? These DC movies can't be fun for them since they are consistently failing.