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It's a racist revenge fantasy about killing white men
We all know she's gonna a get with a white man anon.
she's clearly amoral and presented that way, along with near every other character. She wants to kill the remaining white men because JAPANESE people discriminated against her for being mixed.
In the Finale, it's revealed she doesn't even know the real truth behind where she came from.
Taigen and the Fat Guy are the only good people by the end of the season, while the women all turn into amoral buttholes.
You have to be a troglodyte to interpret it through the wokism lense.
Outside of Ringo and Fowler I don't think any of the core cast of characters can be sorted into either "good person" or "bad person" boxes. Akemi's definitely not amoral by the end of the season but she's probably going to run the risk of ending up like her mother-in-law.
Also it's full of gay shit that can't be historically justified
>Also it's full of gay shit
There's one f/m/m threesome scene in a brothel and if you think there weren't brothels that catered to gay people you're naive.
Why does your samurai show have so many dicks in it bro
You also get some good boobies and vulvas
>brothels that catered to gay people
They also specifically call out that brothel as being less reputable because they catered to gay people and other things.
>that can't be historically justified
The show isn't historically realistic. It explicitly shows that the Tokugawa clan isn't in charge, there's no Dutch East India Company, and by the end the Shogun gets murdered by Fowler during a coup. This isn't including all of the other stuff like how guns would be much more commonplace in this era if it were historically accurate and shit like starmetal swords and psychedelic flowers that make monkeys go rabid
It isn't historically accurate and it isn't trying to be, this criticism is moronic
BASED this means anyone can be disrespectful to all types of races and people
Someone can write a book about Rosa Parks sucking white dick but its ok its not trying to be historically accurate
Fricking wienersucking subhuman moron
Yes
>Someone can write a book about Rosa Parks sucking white dick but its ok its not trying to be historically accurate
I mean, it would be ok. A lot of people wouldn't like it because of context and that it would quite possibly have nothing going for it other than shock value, but it could be written and it would be ok.
This has nothing to do with that anon's point though, even as far as hyperbole goes it doesn't even challenge what he's saying
>I mean, it would be ok.
Frick no that would not be ok. How the frick can you look at that and say
>it'll be ok to be a disrespectful cretin and shit over someones lifes work
> it doesn't even challenge what he's saying
It does and thats why you're butthurt
>A lot of people wouldn't like it because of context and that it would quite possibly have nothing going for it other than shock value
Wait so what's not shock value about BES?
>The show isn't historically realistic
>But they just happened to choose 4 white guys to be the villains for totally non-racist reasons.
>no gay people have ever existed, ever
What fricking naivety is this, the gay scene is man on female on man threesome in a degenerative porn house. It’s not treated as normal, hell Mizu reacts with disgust.
>crying about homolust in pre-meiji japan
lol imagine being this stupid
You're not even white paco.
Its because im not white that can see it for the garbage it is.
I don't get off of murdering other races and pretending thats a good thing.
lol, you serious. You actually expect us to believe this
How do those two statements relate, at all
Which statement the not white part or the i dont get off murdering (insert race here) part
My race has actual historical grudges, but that doesnt mean i'll dedicate even a fraction of my time jerking off to depictions of them dying like a fricking loser.
If it's not historical, why did they need to make the characters 4 white guys?
Because the main character is half-white
Is she also half a guy?
Are you really this stupid?
Are you really avoiding the question?
Why do they have to be male.
It's not historical.
They have to be male because it's about her trying to kill every white man that could have been her father because she knows her mom was Japanese you colossal moron
So?
They could have transitioned since then.
Why doesnt she punish the other part of the society theyre equally as culpable
I mean so far she's killed one white dude and probably hundreds of Japanese
I think the point the anon is making is that those plot details could have been entirely different, especially in a setting that's indifferent to historical accuracy
You're effectively answering "Why can't the story be different?" with "Because this is the story."
Frick, you damn moron.
"Why can't the story be different?"
The sorry IS what is is. It is fiction, the writers can do whatever the frick they want.
What the frick went wrong with your education?
You should be directing that to the anon who claimed it only makes sense for the men in the study to be white, not, say, Arabs or Mongols or Indians or Africans
It would be funny if that anon was you yourself!
Can a women frick another women to make a baby during this time period moron. What do you actually even know about this show, because all signs point to the fact you haven’t even gotten past the first 2 seconds
Well, it's a Netflix show, so, there's no reason they can't be transsexual or transracial.
During the fricking isolation period of Japan?
Society is the problem moron, that’s the whole point of the fricking show
Yeah, it's not historical, anon.
>thats why these white man need to die
berry berry interesting
>women can't be villains
>society isnt responsible
Frick off moron
uhhhh chudkun its not historically realistic this criticism is moronic
Yes chud, women can have penises and ejaculate
Because it fits the theme of the show and the show wouldn’t work if they weren’t white specifically British people
What? Why not? Why couldn't they be Arabs or Mongols?
Did the Arabs or Mongols give a shit about trading with Japan like the British did, are the Arabs or Mongols known for their trade of opium and guns like the British with Japan. And if they were wouldn’t you just complain about it being racist towards them instead like you are whining the show is someone racist towards white peoples
It's not historically accurate so it doesn't matter. The 4 people could have been from a variety of backgrounds
Also no the British aren't known for those trades in Japan at all. That's what they did in China.
>I am going to pretend to be moronic and not understand what "historical fiction" is, I am very smart
>im a fricking coward who argues one thing and then runs and insults others when that same argument is now being used against me.
>Historical fiction
>Yeah, it's totally cool for biology to not exist and for a woman to be just as strong and capable as a man
>BUT A VILLAIN BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A WHITE MAN????
>NO WAY CHUD. IT'S TOO UNREALISTIC.
She only needs to be stronger and more capable than you, she is and you know it.
Her father was white, you damn dipshit.
She would have no motivation to go after then if they were not white.
>They can't possibly write any story except that it's her own father she wants to kill
>Make 'strong female character'
>Give her daddy issues
You'd think they teach classes on this or something.
They can write any damn story they want. Every possible plot cannot exist in the same story.
Frick, you are either horse faced fricking dumb or trolling. No, you are both.
Can i write a story about Abraham lincoln raping slaves and then bashing the brains if of the offspring of said union?
What makes you think you can't?
You fricking dumbass troll.
You racist sack of shit how dare you even suggest that.
Your trolling gets weaker by the post.
b***h you wouldnt have the balls to ever suggest writing that out of Cinemaphile and you know it
You should go back, i never suggested the topic. I merely pointed out that there is nothing preventing anyone from writing what they want to write.
You just have shitty reading comprehension and apparently no critical thinking.
Then why are you chewing my head off
You said it was perfectly fine and i said no its not
Where did I say it was perfectly fine?
again, where did I say it was perfectly fine?
is clearly only a statement about what is physically possible. I made no statement about whether someone should or should not rite such a story.
But please, to continue posting your ignorance.
Where did he say it was physically impossible?
why even ask in the first place?
Thinking about the dregs of literature before posting the question would have answered the question. The real reason is for bait.
People can write anything and people can find what's written objectionable from various angles
This one seems to have been written to purposely racebait
no fricking duh.
No idea which anon you are in the back and forth, but you show you can think.
Was that meant to be addressed to the person I was replying to? It would make a lot more sense addressed to them, because you're agreeing with what I wrote
You might want to take a chill pill too bro AHAHAHAHA
>They can make any story they want
Okay? That doesn't make them immune to criticism or people pointing out how moronic it is, nor how it's just thinly veiled anti-white racism.
>anti white racism
Huh? What? What does this even mean. What anti white racism
And what? You want a gold star or a cookie.
4 white men.
One of which ais shown to be a monster.
Wow, yeah that is really hitting all the bases there.
>the British did
Citation needed
>known for their trade of opium and guns like the British with Japan
Citation needed
Yeah what the frick? Opium was never a thing in Japan (they stamped it out when they occupied Taiwan because they considered it a nasty vice that made you indolent), the British had no special interest in Japan any different from other European powers (and it was the Americans who forced the end of Sakoku) and I've never read anything about them being arms dealers in Japan. The British had endless options to legitimately sell weapons in the region, why would they want to illegally do so in a closed country?
I don't really give a shit about the white man bad angle, but I also really don't think "because that's how it was historically" is a good argument here
Because if they didn't do the opium angle, they'd not be able to make white men the villain as easily.
The way they used opium in China was pretty evil. Though the first Opium War was a lot of stupidity from the Chinese side. But it's not historical at all to try to pretend they went from country to country trying to get people hooked on opium. They exploited and massively expanded the preexisting opium trade from India, they didn't establish it
Just don't do drugs. It's fricking easy. It's not somehow harder because your skin is yellow.
it's genius
chuds hear the premise and rocket to the nearest social media outlet to scream bloody murder, thereby giving the show free publicity as a woke masterpiece that has shattered the minds of the alt-right.
and they didn't even watch the show.
Kino filtered losers.
Like
People think its a racist revenge fabtasy about killing white men when it's actually a polemic about how self hatred is bad and that you shouldn't judge people based on race.
>it's actually a polemic about how self hatred is bad and that you shouldn't judge people based on race.
No, it's about killing white men. Being anti-white is popular sentiment so they're banking on that to be successful.
>strongest character is a woman
>a fricking samurai woman, which is about as accurate as Yasuke
>on a quest to kill white men, all of which are bad in this show
You can sorta justify the last point given all the negative consequences white people caused for Japan, but the first two remain
the women bushi idea was popularized by Japan in the West with films like Lady Snowblood.
Mizu isn't a samurai. She says it herself a dozen times. She's just good with a sword.
How would she get good with a sword?
She's a woman.
weaponstraining for women was a thing even during the edo shogunate though it usually focused on the naginata. but it was still a world you lived and died by the sword and thus strength was through arms.
Okay, but, she's still a woman.
Biology still exists in this universe, I assume?
do you actually believe that a woman with a sword could actual beat a man lmao
> kill bill ruined a generation of consoomers
Yes troony, the whole point of weapons is that they make physical stats less relevant
The fact that people actually believe this is sad
> Ask me how I know you've never held any non-automatic weapon larger than a butterknife.
Physical strength and stamina have major impacts on your ability to competently use almost all melee weapons, and are especially evident when dueling someone.
Just say that the story is fiction and stop embarrassing yourself.
ahh the "I, a Cinemaphile poster, can beat a stuntwoman"
I take that for a 'no'?
>visit samurai museum in Kyoto
>one exhibit was on “unconventional” samurai, including Yasuke and various women
Sorry anon, but the Japanese themselves say that they were Samurai. If it makes you feel better though, there were some European guys on that list too.
>westernized museum curators speak for the dead
no
>westernized
lmao, the weeb's only defense is to screech about the west
YWNBAJ
Cope newbie
Can you give me a link to the exhibition information online? In Japanese is fine. Even the name of the museum in Kyoto
>given all the negative consequences white people caused for Japan
Yeah dude helping dismantle outdated feudal nobility was such a crime
If it wasn't for America Japan could've continued being an archaic and technologically inferior country like China
>outdated feudal nobility
But that's pure soul. Modern society is slop.
America at the time primarily wanted Japan to stop murdering shipwrecked sailors. If you think Japanese bureaucracy is bad now, it was even worse back then trying to deal with poor bastards who would wash up on their shores unintentionally. The Japanese had a good reason to execute the stupid missionaries who came there and no one was upset about that. But Americans freaked out when they heard that the Japanese government executed some shipwrecked American sailors who just wanted to go home. All the Japanese had to do was send them to the Dutch town in Nagasaki and have them wait for the next ship back to Batavia (modern day Jakarta), but that was apparently too complicated for the Japanese government so they just executed them
You didn't watch the show.
Akemi decided to compromise her relationship and enter the fold, so I think she's sold on being greedy for power.
Yeah but I think she's still at this point where she feels if she achieves greatness, she can make a kinder Japan for women and maybe other outcasts if Ringo and her husband have any impact on her.
>on a quest to kill white men, all of which are bad in this show
Because it is set in Japan and they were extremely biased against foreigners at the time?
The majority of the corrupt, inept, indulgent, or psychopathic characters were all Japanese. There were plenty of females that were shown in a negative light too, like the shogun's wife and the attendants.
You could complain that Mizu hates white people because she was born impure, but the ones that make her feel that way are Japanese. So she should really be upset at her people's culture that treats her like a monster, instead of fighting to defend it.
If Mizu makes it to London I doubt she'll be welcomed with open arms. Actually she might experience being fetishized now that I think about it.
So, do they actually examine her racism or do they just make it so all white men are comically evil to prove her justified?
They only have a few white people in the show referenced.
>one claimed to be dead off screen
>a weapon's merchant that is the main villain
>two in London
These are all merchants trying to sell opium, weapons, and involved in some kind of sex trade.
Mizu doesn't meet any average white person, just greedy opportunists like several of the Japanese merchants and nobles in the show. Next volume may have her character actually grow based on how she reacts and is treated by average European commoners that don't care about selling opium to Asians
The show depicts the west wanting to meddle in Japanese government as a bad thing, and there isn't going to be a moment where Mizu realizes she's been treating all the poor white people unfairly. The show's probably going to have a "it's not races that suck, it's people and harmful attitudes that suck" message. There's a metaphor about mixed metals being strong, but Mizu hasn't really taken it to heart and it's not like the show was going to have the One Good White Character to show Mizu that they're not all bad.
Why do the people making the show go out of their way to portray all the white people she encounters as being evil traders trying to frick with Japan for purely evil reasons?
Well the only white people left actively trying to get into a country that closed its borders probably aren't the most law-abiding types.
Okay. But, I mean, she's a biracial female swordswoman travelling across Japan beating up men and encountering gays and other shit.
And you're telling me that a white guy who isn't evil isn't a believable element to add to the storyline?
There are no white people allowed in Japan at the time. The only one alive is hiding in a fortress away from the capitol and makes secret dealings with the government in exchange for lots of gold.
Tell me how and why a white person would be in Japan at this time that isn't doing it for illegal/nefarious reasons
Weird, I recall gay people weren't allowed to be in Japan either...
who on earth told you that?
>only gay/bi person on screen is in a brothel that caters to "weird" clients, including the one harboring the white merchant
The difference is that no regular white person would travel to Japan and live in secrecy just to do nothing illegal or suspicious.
There was a small settlement of Dutch people in Nagasaki who would trade with the Japanese and keep them updated on affairs in the outside world. They would send supplies up from Batavia in the Dutch East Indies
>and encountering gays
She sees one bisexual guy in passing and never interacts with him, in a brothel that caters to "weird" kinks. And she's there because it's this brothel that's sending its girls to the fortress the white man is staying in.
>And you're telling me that a white guy who isn't evil isn't a believable element to add to the storyline?
In season 1? Yes, for reasons you've been given. Any law-abiding or respectful white person isn't going to be trying to get into Japan. And them having one who is there by accident or against their will just to show Mizu that not all white people are bad would be contrived. I'm sure she'll meet decent and normal white people if season 2 happens and she makes it to London. You're choosing to take the story taking place during a time when Japan closed its borders and white people were trying to get in as a slight against white people.
>Yes, it's completely cool to showcase homosexuality, a biracial swordswoman and other shit that would have been <1% of the people in Japan
>BUT A WHITE PERSON WHO ISN'T EVIL?!??!?!?
>JAPAN WAS CLOSED OFF TO WHITE PEOPLE. SO THERE'S NOOO WAAAYYY THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE THERE
>BUT THE ONES THAT ARE, THEY'RE EVIL, BTW.
Yeah, you missed the point.
Mizu is the only biracial character in the show lol
>BUT THE ONES THAT ARE, THEY'RE EVIL, BTW.
Yeah, because they aren't respecting Japan's laws.
So, why are the Japanese not portrayed as the villains and the white merchants just trying to do their job to help their starving families at home?
The Japanese are portrayed as bad guys, at best some of them are morally grey.
Eh, not really. It's more "They've bad because the white man taught them greed and gave them tools to do it".
They make it pretty clear the fault is still white people.
Fricking what? Are you insane? The white man, who isn’t respected by anybody and only seen as a way to get rich, that only a handful of people even know about, you believe taught the entire Japanese race to hate Mizu based on her biracial heritage instead of it being a societal issue. The frick is your problem.
>It's more "They've bad because the white man taught them greed and gave them tools to do it".
That's not what they're saying at all lmao
What are you talking about, the show does not blame all evil on white people. Fowler just has a "you people play at killing while my people perfected it" attitude, and he's not wrong.
>anon reveals his bigotry while attempting to pretend he's concerned about bigotry
He only cares because he believes his hot tomboy domwife samurai wouldn’t love him as a fat pig white dude
Bro, I think at this point you are being weirdly fragile about this whole thing and its warping your mind. I am not making fun about you in any way, but perhaps re-read the plot or something or check some analysis videos if there are any.
>Why are you so defensive about anti-white discrimination being tolerated and celebrated.
Iunno, why is society at large so defensive about anti-black discrimination being tolerated and celebrated?
Is this guy on multiple devices or something, I refuse to believe more then one person can be this willfully moronic
This guy is just taking us for a run but my autism stopped me from recognizing that in time.
For frick's sake, show me where her mission is celebrated at any point, she drives away everyone that cares about her and burns down an entire city and kills countless innocents.
The media depicting it is certainly celebrated.
Would a show about a white guy in a western country killing 4 israeli men responsible for the evils of the western nation be celebrated in the same way?
>pretends to care about muh racism while being the most racist person in the thread
Mizu is super hot the frick. Are you porn rotted or something
>Applying the same scenario to a different race makes it racist
Wow anon, you might wanna think about that one for a moment.
It’s not the same scenario because you still pretend the white dudes, or in your response the israeli dudes, are responsible for all the evils of the nation. When in both scenarios it’s just factually wrong. Also you’re acting like Mizu just goes after the white dudes because they’re white, not because they personally wronged her or because they’re evil monsters.
>So we specifically made the israeli people in our TV show evil.
>Wtf do you mean that's racist?
>unironically samegayging
You never answered where you’re getting this “all” from, you just keep adding to your delusion acting like it’s anything that actually happens.
Swing and a miss.
>multiple devices
Insane
There sadly might be more than one extremely stupid person in this thread.
>Mizu is super hot the frick. Are you porn rotted or something
kek shut the frick up, no she's not. Sorry, but you have to hold her to the internet's standards, not your personal standards which are apparently really fricking low.
>why are the Japanese not portrayed as the villains
They are
>and the white merchants just trying to do their job to help their starving families at home?
The show takes place about 20 years after Japan began the sakoku; it would be smarter for any merchants not in the illegal trade to go literally anywhere else.
>the Japanese not portrayed as the villains
Why complain about a show you haven't even tried watching the first episode of?
There literally are Japanese villains including some who hate Fowler
Why are you whining about a shoe you clearly haven’t watched?
Are you stupid, or just pretending to be stupid?
I'm just trying to work out why it's okay to portray a character as being racist if the target of their racism is specifically white men.
It's specifically "I want to kill 4 white men because one is my father and I don't know which, and I have a very unhealthy attitude toward race and life in general," not "I literally want to kill all white people"
She doesn’t hate white people, and if she does then it’s counterproductive because she’s mostly white and is being hated in by the Japanese for it and will probably find much more respect in London. She wants to kill specifically 4 white dudes.
>I don't hate Black folk
>I just specifically want to kill 4 black guys and people like them.
Nice revealing your own racism while pretending to care
>I don’t hate Mexicans
>I just want to kill four drug lords and drug dealers like them
Fixed that for you
>Proceeds to go to LA where she means zero Mexican people besides the four who are evil drug lords
Are Mexicans outlawed in LA now so it would logically make sense to not see any law abiding Mexicans there? Can you explain why any rational white dude who isn’t trying to break the law be in Japan, breaking their laws and customs just by being there
>inb4 BU WHY WERE THE 4 WATE PEOPLE THERE THEN
because they specifically broke the law to make money and be ruthless selling in flesh and drugs, and the Shogun was greedy
Not just any white person would be let into Japan, and Mizu was harassed all her life for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejima
And Mizu would need to or want to go there because? Or are you expecting her to make a quick trip there way off the course of her journey to go “well, guess I really don’t hate all white peoples still just the 4 white people I hate” or vice versa and one of these white tourists just so happen to cross paths with her far far away from where they’re suppose to be.
Also you’re acting like the show is 100% accurate, Mizu states and others state that these are the only 4 white men who were in Japan at the time and she wants them dead. You’re not oppressed dude
>I want to kill four white guys
>Should I go to the place with all the white guys for more information on them....?
>No... That doesn't seem like something I should do.
I guess they accurately showcase how dumb women are.
>I want to kill the super secret hidden gun black market white guy
>should I follow the lead I learned in the first 5 minutes of the show or should I go to the very not secret white person zoo
Fricking have a nice day you braindead samegay
Dejima doesn't seem to exist, or doesn't yet, in this show.
She doesn't want to kill all white people
I think it was supposed to show how certain toxic attitudes can be so drilled into people that they'll give up happiness or willingly hurt the people they love because of those beliefs. Also it's supposed to be vague who ratted her out, though I think it was Mikio.
Damn you are dense.
Even if at the time she leaves on her quest the country opened up and asked White people in she still only has 4 targets.
Frick you and your inability to think for yourself.
Two were in Japan while the other two are in London. All 4 were bad men doing illegal shit. But the only difference between them and the Japanese who do the same thing they do is that they are white. Also that they have connections to the wider world.
adding to
that white people/foreigners weren't allowed in Japan at the time. So the ones in the show are going to be there illegally to do blackmarket trading.
4 White men, dipshit.
They were the only ones in Japan who could be her father. She is targeting only them.
She can't kill all of London...
>There's four white people in all of Japan.
>AND COINCIDENTALLY WE'VE CHOSEN TO MAKE THEM ALL EVIL!!!!
We literally only meet one who is evil. All are criminals/gunrunners/flesh traders, but we literally know nothing about the other three.
Fowler says the last two are worse than him but he could be lying to get Mizu off his back. At the very least they aren't good people.
I predict at least one of them will turn out to be, at worst, a coward and greedy....but guilty of nothing else.
If I played GTA San Andreas would I be racist because all the gang leaders were black. Is it racist that in breaking bad the cartel members were Mexicans. Is Walter white racist against all black people for wanting Gus dead.
I don't recall what guy #1 was doing, don't recall if he was le bad guy.
Same with guys 3 and 4.
In episode 3 they are refried too as the only 4 white men in Japan when she was born.
The white men dont necessarily have to be bad but it fits in with white men not being allowed by law.
The literally spelling this out on episode one and openly discuss it.
The frick is wrong with you?
>laughs in Great Fire of London
>season 2: Mizu kills all of London (on accident)
the thread has been over this you dunce, the only white people left who would be trying to get into japan wouldn't be good people. the good white people would've fricked off.
muh realism
I can forgive fantastical elements for the sake of the setting, but if a woman is ever stronger than a man (without the help with some outside element like superpowers, tech, etc) then it breaks immersion 100%
Read what you said back to yourself out loud and then let it sit with you for a few minutes so you can properly come to terms with how absolutely moronic you just admitted to being.
>magic and dragons are ok but one woman being stronger than a lot of the men she comes across isn't
She's half better than Asian (white) so it makes sense she btfo of small slopes. She's literally taller than most male characters because of her better half.
>a fricking samurai woman
ronin
/co/'s brain has been poisoned by having to view everything through the lens of MUH CULTURE WAR
OK, let's make a series about a Japanese man killing and hating white women and let's portray most females as scum, I'm sure you people won't complain about it. Reaaaaaaaaally sure.
>Show about a black man killing Asian women because of 4 of them that came to the US and inflicted everyone with Covid.
Did it? Those Death Battle threads seem to be getting more traffic than anything I've seen with this show.
What a moron.
THE BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY
Behold, the gayest man in Japan.
>Lands wife who can kick ass
>Completely screws it up
He was so close to having it all. He was one yard from the game-winning touchdown, and tore both ACLs and fumbled and the other team scored.
Yeah the guy was stupid.
My only problem with this show is how they built hum to be the perfect partner for Mizu and then he sold her the moment she displayed her skills. I would have been super hard If i was him, except maybe the part were she puts a sword against my neck, shen went too far there. The the betrayal makes no sense at all. The story would have worked thousand times better if she had a child with him and her enemies track her down and kill her family. Otherwise her thirst for revenge feels hollow.
Pretty sure her "mom" betrayed her. She just killed him because, let's face it, she thought he had killed her 'mother' and that is NOT an easy thing to forgive.
I think she was just completely broken at that point. Even if he hadn't killed her mother, he still turned his back on her when she needed him the most and conveniently showed up when the battle was over.
Yeah but killing her was the last straw. Pretty sure she would have just left him forever but alive if he hadn't.
The expectation was that her husband/family would get killed, but instead she was betrayed by someone she loved. That directly causes her to become the cold person she is. Your idea is a much more standard revenge story motivation.
The puppet show story that was shown alongside it illustrated the point. It is not hate alone that turns a person into someone like Mizu. It is love, twisted by betrayal.
>woman shows that if she wanted she could kill you whenever she felt like it
>you're scared shitless so you sell her out
>it's not like if she wanted she could kill you whenever she felt like it
He's super gay but this is the part that's really weird to me. She's had your NECK in the edge of her sword and you're not afraid to sell her out immediately? No planning ahead? No backups? What if she kills the people you sold her out to? What if she comes after you?
Even if it was her mom that sold her out for drug money, his reaction made no sense.
He knew she was good, but I don't think he realized what an unstoppable murder machine she is.
/pol/tards
>this is a story of a hapa foid killing bad white men because she's half-white
lmao that sounds like such moronic /misc/bait
>the show is actually about a feminist half-white half-jap b***h with blue eyes (they wish lmao) going arround killing white men because they are all le bad
damn, maybe /misc/ was right about EGS
Stopping at the first episode where she beats Taigen and makes one of the handful of quips she does for the entire season and dismissing it as girl power propaganda. It's not perfect but it hits basically all the points I've wanted for an animated show aimed at adults.
how is this not anti-white feminist propoganda, its literally a show about a half-white karen killing white men while coitizing samurai society.
>anti-white
The show acknowledging that the Europeans wanting to get into Japan didn't have good ulterior motives isn't anti-white, that's just history. Likewise, if Japan wasn't so racist against white people or non-Japanese in general, Mizu wouldn't be on her kill daddy revenge quest. She's doing this BECAUSE Japanese attitude has her believing she really is impure.
>feminist
Again, this is just history. Women in Japan weren't treated well in the past. Mizu is hardly a girl power character because she barely sees herself as a woman. She doesn't fight for women's rights and she never does or say anything particularly feminist.
> its literally a show about a half-white karen killing white men while coitizing samurai society.
Again she's only doing this because Japan has her thinking this is the only way she can atone for her existence. It's very obvious that killing those four white men isn't going to make her happy or give her fulfillment. And she's not a samurai, she mentions this multiple times and it's even the crux of her falling out with Ringo, because she doesn't "act" like a samurai when she turns in Akemi to her father's guards.
>If I invent history and just say it's history, it's history.
Please cite your sources.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Opium-Wars
Merchants started armed conflicts because the emperor of China set trade rules that prevented the sale of opium.
You think they were going for historical accuracy?
Is the animation studio american, japanese, french, korean, or which combination of them? I hope it's well animated.
canadian
It's based. It also showed the blatant hypocrisy and double standards everyone here has towards female characters
>everyone whines when female characters do unrealistic anime shit
>but no one gives a shit if men do unrealistic anime shit
>everyone whines if a female character is too perfect, morally or intellectually or in talents
>but if the female character is flawed in a way the show acknowledges (ie is cold, driven by hate and revenge, is willing to go to immoral depths to fulfill it) everyone whines about that too
None of you can whine that this character is a Mary Sue
She almost dies multiple times and had several moments where she needed men to help her. For example she needed Ringo to nurse her back to health after fighting the Four Fangs, she almost dies during the archer trap and Ringo bails her out, she gets heavily injured and nearly dies again when the Thousand Claw clan attacks, she fails to kill Fowler initially and runs away. Plus she is portrayed as flawed and driven by hatred to the point that she alienates everyone around her
This is one of the worst type of shows to try and discuss on Cinemaphile because /misc/ has rotted so many anon's brains.
If he h8 crackers soo much why doesn't he commits seppuku then
That's probably her plan for after she kills all four of them
Didn't watch but I just don't give a damn about some hapa revenge fantasy. Not even hating on it, if you like it good for you.
>why don't white men like a show about a character who wants to kill all white men?
Gee, I wonder why.
you should try not immediately revealing yourself to be a fricking idiot next time
>She doesn't want to kill all white men, she just thinks you're evil and will kill all white men she finds!
What white people is she going to find that isn’t someone she specifically wants dead, she specifically wants to kill the white people trading in flesh, guns, and drugs
Why not Japs trading in those things?
Is she just racist? Why is that okay?
The Japs are the ones being racist to her making her want to act like the monster they already think she is, and the shogunate are the greedy bastards who allowed the evil white dude to do his trade. The Japs are portrayed to be just as evil.
And yes, she is shown to be wrong in her oath of revenge, many many times almost like it’s the whole point,
>Is she just racist?
Yes
>Why is that okay?
It's not, the show makes it clear her self-hatred isn't good for her. And it's easier for her to kill 4 specific guys than it is the country she grew up in and taught her that her existence is a sin.
>It's not okay
>But also we just so happened to make the 4 evil people be white guys, thereby justifying her racism.
Fricking what?
It's a work of fiction. Why are they not white women? Why not African traders? Why not Portuguese? Or Spanish? Why not have one of them be gay, or trans?
Why specifically does the villain need to be 4 white guys?
>She may want to kill all white men and think they're evil, but its okay because they are actually all evil!
Here’s your problem, where are you getting this all from. She wants to kill four specific people she thinks wronged her, literally no where did she mention wanting to kill all white people ever.
Nooo, she just thinks white men are evil and has made it her life's goal to kill white men. But it's okay, because they actually are evil!
moron
Stop being willfully moronic.
Pull that Netflix dick out of your mouth
You do it for free
For me it's main problems are that the way it's animated makes naked bodies look weird and there is a lot of naked bodies and sex and that it has too many stupidly convenient plot points.
Got stabbed? no worries there is your long lost mom you thought was dead. Carrying your dying friends in an unknown place? just knock on the first door you find it's probably the adoptive father of one of them.
Big army in your castle? put a flimsy gun on the door handle and they just die of fire. even though the bad guy broke a dozen like twigs and the door still opens enough for anyone to slide it upwards.
It's just too lazy make them break the bridge or something at least.
I still like it the action was pretty good and the episode were she infiltrates the castle was pretty good
When are they going to make a show about a white guy who goes to Apartheid South Africa in order to kill 4 black guys?
Because its protagonist is an unlikeable, fugly b***h.
What? You wanted the truth, there it is. If she was hot they'd have been up this show's ass. And if you can't be hot, you have to be likeable, and she's definitely not likeable... so hotness was her only hope and instead she's just a man with boobs.
If she had been a hot waifu this show would be taking the frick off.
Based truth anon
Closeted homo
>he thinks tomboys is gay
What are you, into trannies?
Feminine women exist you homosexual, that's what I'm into. You tomboygays are closet homos.
>girl wsordsman
She trained herself. So she's the strongest ever. And she's a pro blacksmith too. And she made a sword from a meteorite metal, that even her master couldn't. But somehow couldn't reforge it?
Okay fine, but when she beat 20 men twice her size BAREHANDED, then beat zombie pack, then beat an OGRE, then she climbs a wall while carrying a man roughly 1.5 time heavier then her, my suspense of disbelieve walks out the window.
This thing jumped the shark too many times.
Her husband had to flip his charter because men are scum.
Dicks everywhere.
Main badguy is a christian who likes to take it up his ass and an absolute fricking scum pig etc
And ther's probably other mild woke shit I forgot about
It's written by some half-jap b***h who desperately wanted to self-insert, and tell everyone how badass she is
This show had potential but wasted it on telling everyone that GIRLS CAN BE STRONG TOO YOU SEXISTS CHUDS, BETCHA SCARED OF HER(ME), YOU SHOULD, KNOW YOUR PLACE CIS SCUM.
I don't know. Looks pretty gay though, so I haven't watched it.
/misc/ tards have insane amounts of brain rot given this thread
>People don't like being racially denigrated and portrayed negatively due to their race
>WTF!!! MORONS!!!! /misc/!!!!!
Do you do this with other racial groups, or just white people?
White people can’t be discriminated upon
>South Africa
Who gives a shit about what happens in Africa
Most people don't self-insert as four 17th-century white criminals in Japan and so don't feel personally or racially slighted by the show.
So it's okay to make media where there's only 4 black characters, and they're all villains, gangsters, rapists and criminals because as long as black people aren't self-insert as those, it's not racist?
Yes
Is there any fan art of mizu now?
>fanart
>of a character with no fans
lol. lmao even. kek in fact. rofl actually. roflmao perhaps.
I'm hoping she gets fat art.
if you mean like porn idk but there is some
Mizu is handsome
she's like a very handsome horse, to me
I would not fall into the same trap as Mikio and would be a loving husband to my autistic hapa murderwife.
No not like porn.
>WOMAN GOOD
>MEN BAD
Is this the best they can do?
mizu
Is this thread being raided by brain dead morons or is it just like this in Cinemaphile
Genuine brain rot looking at some of these comments
This is just how Cinemaphile is. If season 2 has nice white people maybe threads will be slightly better.
>Implying there's going to be a season 2.
there might be :/
That's how this site has been for the last few years. If it's any consolation, people who stumble on this thread might actually give the show a chance and watch something decent
Tbh, I was interested in the show, but reading how woke it is and all the anti-white shit, I think I'll skip it.
I was expecting more depth, I guess?
>anti-white shit
Like what? If this is your definition of anti white how do you cope with white dudes being the villain of 99% of media, or worse yet in films like Django Unchained. Or was it racist against all white people to kill inbred hick slavers
Well, I don't watch them.
Obviously.
You know you don't actually have to consume all the media put before you? You can be choosy about what messages you wanna receive.
>being this obsessed, sperging out, going on about muh white genocide, and spending this long complaining about a show you didn’t even watch
Why?
That's your choice. Though personally I wouldn't take this place at face value when they label material "woke" when posters were throwing that label on the Mario movie during the initial release
You need to learn how to make your own decisions and see for yourself.
>I was expecting more depth, I guess?
You didn't watch the show. But if you want depth, go watch actual japanese shit that does this better.
This show was essentially a japanese django. I know you liked django, Cinemaphile, so you have to like this. Admittedly django wasn't mulatto and the cast and music were better, but the core concept is basically the same power fantasy revenge story against the white man
It's like Django if he never meets the German guy and all the white men are just cartoonish villains to justify the MC's racism.
ngl i thought Cinemaphile would be more into akemi because you basically get to hear anne boonchuy have sex and recite erotic poetry
Well, if you had sold it like THAT I think it would have gone over better. I think this would have been better with slightly less racial shit, a little bit smarter with the husbando, and a modest amount more coom power, about the level of a midnight broadcast anime.
akemi is also a pretty good character in general but yeah. you can really hear anne sometimes.
From the discussion in these threads in general, it's clear that it needed more coom and less racial shit.
White people aren't oppressed.
>mizu will never look at you like this
Why life anons?
Holy shit I think this thread is infested with SoiJakParty users or something the frick
There’s no way even a handful of people can be this dumb without it being a raid
Or is you who is the moron
>or is you
Third world we?
yep thats how you know this show is fricking terrible
Because even I a 3rd worlder looks at it and goes
>white man bad again
How many times do you homosexuals need to say this shit and why are you butchering other countries to tell your bullcrap.
There's clearly a bunch of people who really don't care very much about the show and here to just dump pol shit, but I'm less sure that they actually believe this sshit. I think it's far more general purpose shitposting.
>Just accept being hit by racism.
It’s only racist if you’re British or Irish.
Well, I'm both of those things.
Good, you deserve to be made fun of and to not feel accepted
>let me spout historical bullshit
>noooo stop being a /misc/tard and insulting the show
How do you people function. like seriously as said before if this shit was pulled for Rosa Parks do you truly believe no one would call out that moronation
Why is it so surprising to you idiots that there exists a people that gives a shit about historical accuracy
Why do you care about something you hate?
>>let me spout historical bullshit
Because you fricks always do this.
>You fricks
I'm not the person you were arguing with and you have yet to answer my question. Why do you care about something you hate? Is hating something all you can do?
see >>let me spout historical bullshit
Your lying pisses me the frick off
I hate all liars as a general rule
So you hate yourself more?
Why you molest kids?
I don't actually hate it. I think it's shallow and racist, but not THAT bad.
There's calling them moronic, and putting a big sign on your chest that reads "troll my easily chapped ass".
or they might actually be that moronic(they are) and if not then it still needs to be said otherwise you encourage moronation
Historical accuracy motherfricker
Black people selling drugs is about as accurate as white people selling opium in Japan.
Leftypol being aggressively moronic about basic things about Japan and history is like finding shit in the toilet. Dealing with it without spraying it all over the fricking room isn't a big ask anon.
>Be moronic about opium wars
>spread bullshit lies that don't make sense
>legitimate grievances are never answered
>answer them
>uhhh stop calling them moronic
No
Ironically a lot of articles have been written lately about Japanese culpability in the Chinese opium trade
>you'll never make misu laugh
Anons!!!
Watched 3 episodes. It's very... tropey, there's nothing in this show I haven't seen in another form done better. Maybe people who've never seen samurai anime or chanbara or hell even Kill Bill might think it's the best thing ever, I dunno.
I like Ringo.
The better question is why are you still replying to the very obvious bait. Thanks for keeping the thread alive /misc/tards
>you're a /misc/tard
>not a Cinemaphiletard
Frick you homosexual your moronation is why this world will never get better
I was hoping for some boomchuy or BES rule 34.
Well I want to talk about the show.
I haven't seen this so I'm gonna ask
What about the Dutch?
>cares about history
>just forgets about the opium war
Stop conflating very different countries
That's like saying
>Cares about US history
>Forgets about Cortez did to the Aztecs
>Hey the British sure do love exporting guns and opium and want to trade with the Japanese
>Hmmm maybe in this historical fiction they trade guns and opium illegally and it leads to consequences
They never did love exporting guns
They also, again, only ever made use of the existing export network between India and China
And they weren't interested in trading with Japan during Sakoku, they were told they had to gtfo and they did until Perry.
So yeah that's not the small jump you seem to be pretending it is
I think you’re missing the fiction part moron
I entered this conversation purely because the anon was relying on historical accuracy for the point of why it had to be four British men you silly billy
You know something can be historical fiction while still being about a point in time.. right? There’s no part in saying that these 4 white guys were breaking the law, doing and being in places they weren’t supposed to be during this time. Unless you also want to criticize the fact these white people and the characters in the show never existed as well. How petty do you want to be about this
Not very petty. The argument that them being 4 white British guys makes sense whereas some Arabs or Indians would not is simply not a good one, as I have demonstrated
>it’s a good one, as decided by myself
Fricking lmao. That argument is as nonsensical as it is blatantly stupid. You might as well ask why Mizu doesn’t just kill herself by this logic. You’re forgetting the entire point of the story, assuming of course you even know the basics of it
I don't think you read my post correctly
Shut up you racist cuck
Do we know their nationalities?
>They never did love exporting guns
britian loves exporting guns they're still one of the top arms exporters in the world today.
It wasn't a big part of British trading strategy at the time. Just not a good product to be shipping to that part of the world logistically. When trade opened up they didn't start dealing in arms
Yeah they were evil. Everyone was evil. Profit is evil
>except you know how when the trade actually went down it was just steam engines
>NO it has to be opium and guns
They were interested in large scale profit. There's really none to be made in that scenario
It was an escalation because the Chinese declared opium illegal and then seized huge amounts of it from the merchants who had until then been operating legally without compensation. Like saying tobacco is illegal one day and just taking all of the cigarette company stocks
>The opium was literally the only thing keeping britains economy from collapsing
Bullshit
Except for the insane amount of profit the white guy in season one made for himself and the shogun by just exporting guns you mean
The point is that's a poorly thought-through and ahistorical plot element.
it was, they were already in heavy debt from fighting off their enemies but they couldnt stop buying tea and silk from china
This compounded together and put them into a spiral
Their only out was opium
> who had until then been operating legally without compensation
Yeah but they were drug dealers frick em
>tobacco is illegal one day and just taking all of the cigarette company stocks
This would be a good thing
>Yeah but they were drug dealers frick em
Backed by a much greater world power, which is why the result of such a short-sighted action was getting their asses destroyed and a century of humiliation
Now you need to see China's side of things
Addicts were selling everything not tied down and turning to robbery, family who were broke were commiting mass suicide, manpower was at an all time low as those who previously did back breaking labor were now addicted junkies
A message was sent to the queen the guy was begging to stop the opium but he never received an answer(lost in transit) so he went ahead with confiscation.
>they were already in heavy debt from fighting off their enemies but they couldnt stop buying tea and silk from china
You're confusing the East India Company with the whole British Empire
In this context i am not
In that case I contend you are mistaken about the wider economic position of Britain at the time
>Guys but what about the real life economic status of British of the time, how will this effect my samurai anime?!?
Main bad guys Irish and he did it to colonize the land and make fat stacks for his own selfish reasons, dumb ass
Conversation moved on to the tangent of the background of the First Opium War in China my friend. But you're probably right that it's off-topic at this point
Why not make him african then? Or a woman?
Because it wouldn’t service the story
It would be like making Darth Vader a black stripper. You could, but it wouldn’t make for a better story.
???
There's no reason they can't be transgender or transracial.
>colonize
Oh good a new word to lose all meaning at the hands of halfwits
It’s quite literally his plan. He wants to take over the shogunate and ship in a bunch of white people and priests to remake the land to be more suitable for him. By the way thanks for revealing you have zero clue about the show you’re talking about because this is revealed very early. How much have you actually watched, if at all. If it’s none, how pathetic are you to have spent so long whining about a villain you would probably relate to.
That's not a colony
definitions changed anon thats exactly what it means today
And that would improve the story how.
How would it make it worse?
How would it make it better
It'd make it less racist.
anon we lived in a time where that was not what colonize meant
Colonizing doesn’t mean Colonizing now, argue with the dictionary dumbass.
Attacking white transgender businessmen is less racist in what way.
>educate moron
>moron just dumps a word salad on you
ok
>He thinks being purposely moronic and ignoring the factual definition of colonization is education
>two sentences is a word salad
I pity your small pea brain
>he thinks definitions dont change
>he doesnt know what word salad means
yes you are moron
They can be transracial too.
But specifically targetting white men is obviously sexist and racist.
In what ways.
Specifically wanting to kill white men and only portraying those characters as being evil is pretty obviously racist and sexist anon...
Well, other than her fellow Japanese what motivation would she have to kill and other race?
Thinks, dipshit, think for once in your life.
4 white men. Only one do we actually see and get to know and can verify his actions.
I dont recall the first one's story but the other two we don't have much do go on.
I thought the whole point is that she wants to kill them because of their connection to her? Not because she's just a racist trying to murder people of a specific race?
If it's the former, why can't those people have since become transgender or transracial?
There is no actual proof they have a connection to her.
At least in episode three she mentions that she is hunting the 4 white men that were in the country when she was born. This is under the assumption that one of them is here father, that were were no other white men present that could be her father.
The show is not presented linearly and I do not recall the specifics enough to be definitive on only 4 white men.
Characters can be wrong about what they know.
The narrator should not be wrong.
And yeah, fricking pansey ass trolling.
Nothing stopping them, you imbecile. Such a change would make no difference.
Okay, so there's no reason the people since the Mc being born couldn't have changed race or gender. The people who made the show simply chose not to have them do so, as that would mean they'd have to make 4 character that aren't evil white men. Because they are racist.
How would they change race?
Gender has no impact to the story or motivation, fricktard.
The same way people change race or gender now, bigot.
how does one change their race?
Gender still has not impact to the narrative, that is not bigoted.
>Gender has no impact
Then there's no reason they can't be women.
I mean, sure, it doesnt matter either way. But then youd need to change Mizu to be a male, but then that would effect the story and themes theyre going for. Or you could make them 4 girlboss evil women who killed Mizus father.
There was trans people at all points of history anon.
Why did you shift from wanting them to be women to them being specifically trans?
I'm just asking why specifically the storyline needs to focus on her killing 4 cis hetero white men that isn't just racism from the people making the show.
There's zero reason in the storyline why they can't be trans. So, why did they choose specifically to make them 4 white cis heterosexual men in every instance of the 4 characters?
Why is it racist that its men? And according to your logic theres no reason for them to be trans, men, women, or flamingos. You could work around this in any direction, its just a story anon. Why wasnt Saul Goodman a women, why couldnt Trump be trans, why wasnt Darth Vader gay. You could rework the story to have these, but what would that add
I think it's pretty suspect when you have 4 villain character and it just "Doesn't matter" that they're all the exact same race, gender and orientation.
All the bad guys in most media are straight, white, men. Same way most villains in old samurai films are straight asian men. Why does this matter so much to you.
just a reminder that we almost had an indian main antagonist in at least TWO instances. they're chickens
it needs more diversity chud
Why aren't there african americans?
I'm obviously trolling but frankly your arguments are shit
You fricking idiot, those are from two different posters.
Why would there be african americans in this setting?
Yasuke was a samurai you piece of shit are you saying black people cant be samurais?
was he even american though?
He was African, in this time period Americans were trading
So what you're implying is that black people arent smart enough to be traders or samurai but thats wrong you racist frick.
Yes
>Why would there be african americans in this setting?
>what about yasuke?
>picrel
you would never say that to a black person in real life bigot
This takes place 200 years later. Commander Perry opened up Japan for America trading.
Why cant they have a african american samurai villain?
>Why cant they have a african american samurai villain?
Nothing stopping you from writing that story.
Why are the writers so racist that they wont include them?
Why are you so racist and bigoted for not writing a story to include them?
I want african americans to be included because im not a racist chud like you
There is nothing racist with sticking to the narrative.
Japan is closed to all foreigners. That is a FACT of the narrative. That two white men were still present speaks to their involvement in illegal activities and the cooperation of the authorities, as explained in the show.
OK, you just missed them. They were actually the very last foreigners kicked out of the country. Them walking onto the boat and leaving was done all off screen because it did absolutely nothing to further the story.
>uhhh white bois can enter japan
>but not black people theyre too stupid
>only white bois can do this
Man shut your cracker ass up cumskin just say you're a racist and stay go
fricking hell.
no foreigners allowed in Japan, by law
the white man we see is in hiding
>black people sneak in or whatever
>these black people would be allowed to walk around freely
You don't pay much attention to the world building, do you?
Okay, so, where are the Indians, Africans, Bengali, Pakistani and Native Australians?
Closing Japan only applied to white traders, they still traded with Asia and other local groups.
Why aren't they represented?
By that logic you should also be fine if the story was about a blank female samurai killing a white man
I dont know what a blank female samurai is
its the time period moron kun learn to read
>its the time period moron kun learn to read
It was literally spelled out in the opening sequence of the first episode, you horse faced dipshit.
time period anon, learn to read seriously. Stop being moronic.
In what time period was a woman's upper body strength equal to a man's?
In Medieval japan
proof not needed
It was literally spelled out in the opening sequence of the first episode, you horse faced dipshit.
How moronic do you have to be not to have caught that bit of backstory within the first few minutes?
I need you to open a dictionary and look up period.
It was literally spelled out in the opening sequence of the first episode, you horse faced dipshit.
How moronic do you have to be not to have caught that bit of backstory within the first few minutes?
now post your definition of period here
It was literally spelled out in the opening sequence of the first episode, you horse faced dipshit.
How moronic do you have to be not to have caught that bit of backstory within the first few minutes?
You are never going to be able to refute what is presented in the show as the their world building.
anon goes insane and repeats himself because hes butthurt after learning what time period means
Seethe
newbie confirmed
you are seething because you cannot refute the world building the show uses.
Ok post a definition of time period and prove me wrong then
You won't of course
why would I?
Your hangup on 'time period' has dick all to do with the narrative world that was build.
>a /misc/tard comic isn't /misc/
I for one think Ringo will win the Mizubowl.
who are you quoting?
Ringo unironically deserves much, much better
the frick are you talking about?
the /misc/tard is trying to cry /misc/tard so that no one will be able to call him a /misc/tard.
It's /misc/tarded.
Well, because in the opening of the show it is explained that Japan is closed to foreigners, Japan is only for the Japanese.
Just how low are you on the moron scale?
You going to submit your historical documents on him being an African American? That would fill one hole in his history.
Still, it is a matter of percentages. Say he is the only African in Japan and given where he lived and worked what would be the odds that his inclusion in the story would make any sense at all? At least put in some thought on your own.
fricking hell your trolling is of the poorest quality.
at no time are they ever referred to as 4 cis hetero white men.
Their 'gender' is irrelevant. All that matters is that which is needed to occur for her mother to be able to give birth to her.
Okay, so, there's no reason they couldn't have transitioned later in life, or discovered their true sexuality after the fact.
Yet the choose specifically to make them 4 white cis heterosexual men.
Why?
where are they made to be 4 white cis heterosexual men?
You can use this logic for literally anything. Why is the lead in Kill Bill a woman? Why is the story about her killing a man? Why is the villain white? Why is the protagonist white?
>Why should we improve things
Because the status quo is racist and sexist?
>biracial female sword fighter fighting a white man and other Japanese is the status quo for movies set in feudal Japan
It isn’t. In fact the reason why they went with that route is probably because it isn’t the status quo and it’s something different
That anon probable flunked biology or hasn't had "the talk" yet.
People can transition after they've had kids, anon.
and that still wouldn't impact the revenge narrative, frickwad.
per the narrative she is hunting the persons who she believes to be her father, the person who provided the sperm that resulted in her birth.
You can call them whatever gender on the spectrum you want. It doesn't change a fricking thing.
eh, it's pretty impactful, given how a big portion of the story focuses on women being property as told through akemi's story. i'd say that they're parallel stories of two women navigating the system: one happens to do it in a more masculine way
All four men who she is hunting could fully transition to a 'woman' and it would have zero fricking impact. How fricking stupid are you?
So why didn't they do that?
It feels like they just wanted 4 white men to have her beat up.
didn't do what?
We've only met one of them, you absolute moron.
That's circular logic. She has reasons to kill white men in the story. But the story has been written to justify her killing white men and maybe that should be questioned
If a story about a half-gypsy Viking girl was about her hunting down the evil gypsies around the fjords until she found her father came out people might object to that too
welcome to writing 101, took you fricking long enough.
People will object to just about any fricking thing.
>If a story about a half-gypsy Viking girl was about her hunting down the evil gypsies around the fjords until she found her father came out people might object to that too
Well, that would be similar to the topic at hand but potentially broader with the "hunting down the evil gypsies".
It is not like we don't have a large body of literature with similar themes, rehashed plots, etc.
What if a half black female knight wanted to kill all (let's say there was 4) black men living in medieval Europe because her father was a deadbeat And internalized racism? Also she has Excalibur
i don't think europeans were as xenophobic as the japanese. plus black people in europe weren't seen as a threat as much as europeans in japan, for the former they'd just capture and enslave them, simple as that
Do my one
i dunno much about the interactions between the romani people/gypsies and the vikings, but based on a quick research i'd reply with a similar answer to
since back then the vikings would simply capture and enslave the romani
Vikings enslaved gypsies but they wouldn't enslave a half-Scandinavian half-gypsy
They weren't, euros don't really become racist till the 1800s.
Is the writing and animation good?
Didn't the Japanese just try and fail to conquer the koreans?
Didn’t the British try and stop the revolution and take back their colonies, and we still helped them in WW2
I do not believe I am
If you believe so i would need proof before i change my position
Britain used heavy debts just as all first world countries use it today. That doesn't mean the Empire was on the brink of collapse because of the trade deficit with China, as you first claimed. Trade with China was a small part of an enormous economic system.
This is an interesting resource about it https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/debt-miracle-why-country-borrowed-most-industrialised-first
Look up opium war first
The chinese government cracked down on drugs and forced people into rehab and shut down Opium
But doing so affected britain's bottom line and thats why the war happened
The opium was literally the only thing keeping britains economy from collapsing
Which one
How's it relevant to Japan
If it's about drug dealers, why aren't they black?
Don't black people historically have a lot of context around being drug dealers?
This is a pretty boring raid when does the fun begin
guys i'm from the future, mizu's endgame love interest is a blond-haired blue-eyed white guy named Rex Featherwhistle, please calm down and stop with the /misc/ shit
>actually get thing this into historical accuracy
>in an anime, a historical fiction, not meant to be taken 100% at face value
How do you enjoy anything with this attitude
>he thinks they actually enjoy anything anymore
They’re under too many layers of irony and satire to actually “enjoy” something unironically by this point
Historical accuracy was brought up by the anons wanting to say that the white British being the bad guys makes the most sense here when it's just as random and ahistorical as any other chosen group/nationality would be
>Its not historically accurate for the British to be colonizing evil bastards
Since when? Also the main bad white guy is Irish btw
I feel like they need to introduce an Irishman who hates the brits
Boy do I have a surprise for you
>raid is now at a stand still just circle jerking the same bullshit topics over and over again like they have a point or going for nonsensical dumb shit which is only a step above.
Boring Zzz
How much of this has actually even been about Blue Eye Samurai, I mean really. Seems like it’s all been mostly off topic nonsense barely connected to the show
When they came up with the premise they must have known the main point of discourse would be
>Is it narratively justified that she is hunting down and killing white men?
Yes, yes it is. More so actually
You’re not oppressed btw
most people don't obsess over polhomosexualry 24/7
Not white, dont care for the premise
You keep saying this like it will get any more believable, if you’re not white I’m Mexican
i believe you're Mexican though
Enough that if these dense frickers had been using the CORRECT button, the thread would be gone. For the newbies, it's not the fricking post button.
What’s the button then
It's at least 40% the insufferable noodle fatfrick/humanised Kung Fu Panda expy's fault, literally ruining every scene he's in
Wow, the trolls are feasting tonight. How could you forget the number one rule on dealing with them, I bet because you morons this is the first time they felt their little chubby peckers tingle in months.
i liked fowler's voice acting
>People pointing out the bad writing and anti-white agenda in a piece of media
>MUST BE TROLLS!!!! NO WAY PEOPLE CAN NOTICE THIS!!!!
Maybe the thing you like is just shit?
>consuming samurai media made by non-Japs
Your first problem!
Thats shit and so are you
Is this Paw Patrol?
Not quite.
Oh yeah I heard they had cats in Paw Patrol now, that's lame. Always pushing diversity down our throats!!
I like it if she ends up with a white guy.
>Trolls shit post thread to top post on the page
Thanks, you have inadvertently gotten more people to look at the show boosting its ratings and making my thread viral. Congrats, youve played yourselves.
BTW white rats deserve death
>top post on the page
????
I think he thinks he's using reddit?
>thinking Cinemaphile has any say
Miraculous ladybug sells gangbusters
the threads cannot stay alive on Cinemaphile
Frick off moron
>white rats deserve death
Not white just think you're super pathetic wheter white brown yellow or whatever color you are
You know it and I know it. Fantasize about killing white people is something you will never ever have the balls to do in real life
>He's still trying the "not white" cope
Man let it go its pathetic. Nobody who isnt white would feel the need to remind everyone of it every post. Either post hand or give up
>he's still
Schizo
>let me dox you
ok
>Watch show where white people are the villain
>This le means you want to le GENOCIDE
How brainrot do you need to be for this to happen to you. What do you think of Django;Unchained
>Django Unchained
Shit movie and masturbatory revenge fantasy
>This le means you want to le GENOCIDE
You're mentally ill you know that. i suggested nothing of the sort just that its pathetic.
Cracker director writing a script letting his white actor friend yell Black person a lot and smack about some black b***hes to try and make up for all those times he and his other white characters say Black person in his best movies
>63 peope
>it going viral everyone!!!
lol moron cope
Been reading and genuinely how do you people enjoy anything with a cinemasins level of nitpicking over every little detail, plus the racism xenophobia and utter denial of reality
LOL. Lurk more. a good 90 percent of the thread is leftypol and trolls who aren't here to talk about the work at all.
>They believe theres any shockvalue or wow factor to endlessly repeating transracial or white racism, like either exist or matter
Trolls, falling for Trolling, lmao
Worst thread currently on Cinemaphile, why does Blue Eye Samurai make these people seethe to this extent
This kind of post sounds like someone who thinks they lost an argument and is trying to comfort themselves
What argument? You mean all the shitty poorly disguised bait
No idea but you sure sound worked up
The better question is why the thread is still up. The Yakub comic thread was more civilized. And more historically grounded.
I like the fighting in this thread personally.
Anyway, this show is another man-hating modern cartoon with a girlboss killing men. All the men are evil or pathetic or both. The women are ugly and look and act like dudes.
It is your typical tumblr-girl revenge fantasy story.
>man-hating
The story would have been much better without the brothel lecturing and power trip. One or the other but with both its too blatant.
Wonder what group this is, its not leftypol but who
>/misc/ can’t justify calling Mizu a Mary Sue
>/misc/ can’t call the show anti-white because it has Japanese villains and portrays Mizu’s hatred as a bad thing
>/misc/ can’t argue against historical accuracy because the show explicitly presents itself as alt history
Now what?
what's the alternate history in the show?
Tokugawa clan didn’t take over, Dutch East India Company isn’t involved, guns are still uncommon
Wait, but what about the Portuguese?
And gun's still shouldn't be uncommon.
In the show they are, it’s alt history
Shes a mary sue
Shes a racist killing white people
The show has shit ahistorical and gets basic things wrong
Its a shit show tbh
t./int/ard
You didn’t even watch this show
see
>also wants to kill white people
your excuses
I want to hear them
oh frick you
Half the ronin stories are about knowing you're outnumbered and setting up traps and getting the townspeople to your side as well backstabbing and realpoltik
>oh frick you
>Half the ronin stories are about knowing you're outnumbered and setting up traps and getting the townspeople to your side as well backstabbing and realpoltik
What, only half? With your shit talk one would think this show was the only one not fitting a select few narrative molds. And even if it was the outlier that still wouldn't be an issue, it would be something original.
im being generous because i know mary sues exist
>With your shit talk
What? point out my shit talk and specifically what you find wrong wit it. You have me confused with someone else clearly
Do you get mad when John Wick takes on a small army of men by himself
Do you get butt hurt when your ideas are challenged?
>Shes a mary sue
Well, there wouldn't be much of a ronin revenge story is the wasn't. You'd get one maybe two episodes tops.
She’s not a Mary Sue
She gets heavily injured and nearly dies multiple times
She makes mistakes and is shown to be in the wrong multiple times
None of the things she does is that much crazier than what most action heroes do, if she was male no one would give a shit
Men and women are different, yeah, a woman doing what a man does is remarkable, because biology exists.
No one ever gives a shit if a guy does unrealistic shit, if a guy gets shot 10000 times and still survives or takes down an army by himself no one cares or complains about “biology”, you literally only bring this up and suddenly care about realism if a woman is involved
Do you also cry about biology after seeing all the bullshit John Wick pulls?
If John Wick was going around beating women for 3 hours straight, yes, I would say that that's a bit weird.
But, yes, John Wick is a goofy action movie, not to be taken seriously. It doesn't actually try to convey a deep message or have long character shots.
Do you get mad when Uma Thurman takes on and kills a small army of men by herself in Kill Bill
Yeah, it's silly. But, it was a novelty at the time, so, it's like "Okay, this is dumb and unrealistic, but, obviously it's a parody of various kung-fu tropes".
When you normalise the whole "Women are just as physically strong as men" and make present it bare without any meta commentary about how women aren't as strong as men, it comes across as drinking your own koolaid.
>When you normalise
Do you look at superhero media and go
>Stop normalising men being faster than speeding bullets!
You absolute moron?
Are you trying to say that The Bride from Kill Bill is a superhero...?
yeah because its wuxia chinese bullshit under a western lens
or do you think there really is a strike that can explode your hear
moron
I'm saying these are characters achieving superhuman feats. You morons never show up during action sequences with male protagonists to say "Well that's just unrealistic, one man can't beat 10 men". I miss when people would say they hate Black folk and women without trying to smokescreen that they care about verisimilitude or whatever
It’s novel to have a biracial female swordsman in feudal Japan
Also, do you seriously think someone is going to look at this show, which has a sword forged from a meteorite, psychedelic flowers that turn monkeys evil and rabid, a fortress explicitly designed as an Indiana Jones death trap, a guy who deliberately fights with a broken sword, and clearly over the top and stylized action sequences and think “yes, this movie is trying to argue that women are physically as strong as men and isn’t stylized like Kill Bill”
So, you're telling me that they have all this fantasy bullshit.
But they couldn't make the villains anything other than 4 white guys?
Yeah... Let me guess, it's written by a woman who's at least Bi, maybe even a full blown dyke. Non-white?
There are villains besides 4 white huts though, there are Japanese villains too. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this. Most of the white guys don’t even show up
hell, the first white guy may never show as he wasn't important enough to even glimpse in a flashback.
We joined the game after the first boss fight. We get all the normal backstory cutscenes it is just that boss level is relegated to being referenced only.
>But they couldn't make the villains anything other than 4 white guys?
The villain is one white guy and a bunch of Japanese guys. There are 4 white guys the protagonist hates, and of them
>One of them is a scheming bastard who shows up as an actual villain
>One dies off screen before the show even starts, not a villain
>The only thing we know about one is that he saved the protagonist as a baby, not a villain
>The other we know nothing about
Did you shut your brain off when countless sadistic japanese guys were being killed because they were antagonists?
>The only thing we know about one is that he saved the protagonist as a baby, not a villain
We don't know the identities of the two men that fight when the baby is to be killed. Is it in the voices?
We don't know their identities, but IIRC Fowler states it was one of the white men that stopped Mizu from being killed
>A woman lifting a 150kg man
Way above regular weight though. And this only accounts for feats of pure lifting strength, I don't feel it translates 1:1 to cinematic swordfights. In fact, in the show, Mizu is frequently overpowered by larger men when it comes to raw strength, which is why she relies on her swordsmanship and agility
>We don't know their identities, but IIRC Fowler states it was one of the white men that stopped Mizu from being killed
You are probably right about that. They were both holding what appears to Japanese blades, like carrying a European blade would not be allowed.
Those were bounty hunters
>Yeah... Let me guess, it's written by a woman who's at least Bi, maybe even a full blown dyke. Non-white?
It's written by a straight white guy and his asian wife.
>animated by the french
Well that explains everything.
Frick hollywood. Frick the state of California. Get the animations industry out of that pigsty and into the hands of Real Western Animators.
>French
Yup, nevermind. No wonder it's some anti-white shit.
Ah yes, my favourite straight white guy, Amber Noizumi.
michael's the white guy and amber's the asian wife
stop engaging with the /misc/sharts.
you forgot the lumberjack's favorite felling tool.
you missed the point.
>Woman magically is just as strong as a man despite biology existing
>Magically becomes a master swordsman be self training
>Magically becomes a master blacksmith via magic
>magically gets a magical meteor sword via magic
>Not mary sue
Fricking what?
>Shitty trolls are pushing the thread to bump limit after completely detailing the thread and further removing it from the original topic
Impressive
So are we gonna talk about how cute mizu looks?
...and we're in autosage. Lets not do this again. Remember. pol shit belongs in pol, and that includes leftypol.
that's just the sign that the show is popular and good
Gotta love the haters really. Kept the thread going for 500 posts.
I still have no idea why there are incels whining about “lack of realism” and “biology” here yet are perfectly fine with a movie like Kill Bill
The show is clearly and obviously over the top with its action, she literally chops a tree in half at one point, no one is going to look at this and go “yep the show is trying to be realistic”
see
Its cultural appropriation by white people as always
do better
>Person shit in toilet
>Normal
>Person shit on dinner table
>Abnormal
>It is normal for live action media to be unrealistic, but it is abnormal for action cartoons
Are you being real right now
No, it's normal for men to be strong. But very unusual for women to be, due to biology existing.
The majority of action media is physically impossible because of both physics and biology. Not sure why a man can quadruple backflip then slice through a dozen soldiers and have it be realistic but a woman breaks your suspension of disbelief
it's because of sexism and gender essentialism, simple as
Because if you go to a gym you can look at dudes lifting your weight over their head like it's a bag of groceries.
You will not see women doing that.
Men being super strong is more believable because men are stronger, and therefore going an extra notch of strength is less jarring.
A woman throwing a guy over here head is like if John Wick just randomly tossed a car over his head. It'd be completely jarring and nonsensical.
>A woman throwing a guy over here head is like if John Wick just randomly tossed a car over his head. It'd be completely jarring and nonsensical.
Those aren't even close to the same level.
Men can lift 3-4x more than women. Even higher when comparing elite athletes.
A Kia Picanto weighs about 1000KG.
A woman lifting a 150kg man is as believable as a man lifting 3/4 of a Kia Picanto.
the only "muh realism" gripe I have in the whole series is this
>first trapped hallway of the castle
>spikes come out of the wall
>spears Mizu through her whole fricking ankle
>she just pulls that shit out and limps around for the rest of the episode
I get that it's supposed to be harrowing and she's not at her best by the time she reaches the top, but that's a bullshit stupid injury to throw at the audience as a "flesh wound."
Other than that I loved it, all the autistic screeching /misc/sharts ITT can consult picrelated for further instructions on their personal grievances.
Thats a /misc/tard comic
You just outed yourself as the one shitting up the thread
It's funny you should call this a /misc/tard meme when I saved it on this board, but then it's the /misc/tard playbook to always been the first to accuse the other of what you're doing, it robs their argument of bite when they genuinely accuse you of the same.
This will be my third post ITT by the by, I don't have to prove shit. Mod applications are closed.
>has racist comic
>i just randomly saved this racist comic honest
nice try /misc/tard
>a political COMIC isn't Cinemaphile
I guess you'll call this a /misc/ meme too, hey sharty?
>a /misc/tard comic isn't /misc/
and you think me and
are the same person? meds, schizo.
So despite all this shit is anyone watching? I haven't heard this mentioned once outside Cinemaphile
kojima liked it
>watching?
Season's been over for almost a month, and all the episodes were dropped at once leaving no room for discussion or speculation
Cant tell if its leftypol not hearing themselves speak, or pol being really stupid and mocking lefitist points. When, in reality, the show isnt progressive or left leaning. Its messages are actually pretty conservative