Blue Eye Samurai was fun but Mizu is kind of a Mary Sue

Blue Eye Samurai was fun but Mizu is kind of a Mary Sue
>Becomes master swordsman by just watching one psycho practice swordsmanship
>Becomes master spear user out of nowhere
>Forges a sword from meteorite metal that even her legendary blacksmith. Something her legendary blacksmith mentor couldn't do
>Can perform several feats of superhuman strength like throwing off several fully armored men pinning her down several times. Her strength is unexplained
I actually really liked it at first but as the story progressed she seemed to just get more OP from nothing

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Becomes master swordsman by just watching one psycho practice swordsmanship
    She watched multiple people though, everyone who bought swords from the smith

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      She also did some training with her husband Which was a whole arc I wasn’t expecting, and fricks with the timeline I had been picturing for her. Left me thinking she’s older than I had initially assumed, depending on how many years she spent there.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Achually she watched many people

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sexo

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, but people think it came from BASED NIPPON and that makes it flawless

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's bizarre how much shit anime gets away with, that would be considered "woke" in any western media

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's usually a substantial difference in presentation

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >japanese 'woke' - whoah this GIRL can fight!?
        >west 'woke' - REEEEE MAYO MONKEYS ARE THE SOLE FAULT OF THE WORLD
        gosh I can't see a difference

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        weebs pretend wokeness doesn't exist in jap products, see

        There's usually a substantial difference in presentation

        >japanese 'woke' - whoah this GIRL can fight!?
        >west 'woke' - REEEEE MAYO MONKEYS ARE THE SOLE FAULT OF THE WORLD
        gosh I can't see a difference

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    She watched youtube tutorials.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Perhaps they mean to cast her as some sort of observational genius who can pick up on the nuances of things just by watching, but that often comes off as an excuse from people who don't fully understand that you can't master anything just by watching and understanding it really good.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        She did get stabbed the first time she tried to start shit. And a bunch of times after that. I'd say its a combo of natural genius, and eventual experience topped with bottomless rage for an extra kick.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That bottomless rage is also what makes her so cute :3

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder what they are going to do with her in London.
    There's some cool stuff involving the English civil war that could be shown.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    She dedicated decades to doing nothing but strength training, practicing swordplay, and forging swords. Certainly more earned than most ( like fricking Luke skywalker).

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Luke is based though and has good development

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        So Luke is a Mary Sue?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Worst I can say about Luke is that he has a bunch of off screen development between ESB and RoJ. Otherwise he's a pretty decent execution of the Hero's Journey.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody’s arguing about his depiction of the hero’s journey, but thanks for bringing that up out of nowhere. We’re very proud you know that literary trope.
            His development (and Rey’s) completely undermines what it means to “master” the force. Jedis pontificate about how it’s a lifelong study and you need to start very young or it’s too late etc, but then these two jags barely learn what it is and are suddenly masters. How much time did we miss of Luke’s training because it was definitely less than 10 years.
            My point is that at least Blue Eye Samurai showed that it took like 10-15 years of hard training fueled by rage to explain why Mizu is such a formidable opponent.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I thought Jedi only needed to start young because of indoctrination into their belief system, and that if the child is too old then they wont’t be fully brainwashed
              That’s why they were hesitant to take Anakin into their order as he was already too old and had formed attachments outside of the Jedi.
              Luke was never even that good of a force user in the movies if we compare him to the Jedi in the prequels. He never even really defeats another force user with his own abilities. Luke loses all of his lightsaber fights, aside from his temporary victory over Vader in front of the Emperor, which was a bit hollow as they were trying to bait Luke the entire time to succumb to the Dark Side and it would have been counterproductive for Vader to beat him then.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Luke magically starts off as an ace pilot and justifies it by saying he shot womp rats off his T-16

            This is like a farmer saying he's a skilled jet pilot because he shots moles from the back of his tractor

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They explained her superhuman strength and skill in the show.
    It’s the power of her superior white man blood

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Truly shows since Fowler was the best character in the show

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >whole evil plan was deadass to make anime real so nips/hapas felt bad they don't look like Yugi and Link

        I disliked how they portrayed Guns in the last episode
        This era was after the Sengoku period which had extensive use of gunpowder weapons. Samurai and guns were synonymous. It made it seem like the Samurai fighting had never seen a gun in their lives

        you're assuming they did literally any research ever or the one half japanese female writer knows anything about Japanese history deeper than being mad Tom Cruise is the last samurai

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I disliked how they portrayed Guns in the last episode
    This era was after the Sengoku period which had extensive use of gunpowder weapons. Samurai and guns were synonymous. It made it seem like the Samurai fighting had never seen a gun in their lives

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Fowler was Portuguese instead of Irish, you could make the banning of guns make sense within the context of the period with that whole Christian rebellion thing.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >whole evil plan was deadass to make anime real so nips/hapas felt bad they don't look like Yugi and Link

      [...]
      you're assuming they did literally any research ever or the one half japanese female writer knows anything about Japanese history deeper than being mad Tom Cruise is the last samurai

      The show is deliberately alt-history, the Tokugawa clan isn't in charge and the Dutch East India company isn't involved at all

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a bonafide chud but everyone complaining about muh realism in this show is moronic. It's a samurai action show, it's supposed to be exciting, not realistic. You should criticize the show for every character being an unlikeable piece of shit (except for Fowler, who was a great piece of shit).

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The worst thing about this show is that it hasn't inspired any mindbreak ugly bastard porn with Fowler and Mizu.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >first blue eye samurai i've seen on Cinemaphile
    >nobody gives a shit
    >no cute mizu art being posted

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a Netflix animated show starring a woman. Nobody gives a shit even if it's good. Which it is.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      blue eye samurai i've seen on Cinemaphile
      There were some threads when it first came out. This show hasn't really made an impact here, though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it’s legitimately good and the only threads that get any traction here are for rage posting or TADC autism. Both Blue Eye Samurai and Scavengers Reign are amazing so of course they don’t get any attention.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        She isn't a Mary Sue whatsoever. She's extremely flawed, but because all you guys only view strength and killing as the only attributes you admire, you all think she's OP

        there isn't titty fanservice in the show and we get more swinging dick than we do breasts- and the whole "white men are evil" I think that turned off the nerds

        Nobody’s arguing about his depiction of the hero’s journey, but thanks for bringing that up out of nowhere. We’re very proud you know that literary trope.
        His development (and Rey’s) completely undermines what it means to “master” the force. Jedis pontificate about how it’s a lifelong study and you need to start very young or it’s too late etc, but then these two jags barely learn what it is and are suddenly masters. How much time did we miss of Luke’s training because it was definitely less than 10 years.
        My point is that at least Blue Eye Samurai showed that it took like 10-15 years of hard training fueled by rage to explain why Mizu is such a formidable opponent.

        Mizu says it herself. She doesn't play by "honor", she doesn't give a frick about the right proper way to do things. People expect those with sword skills to have been taught in a dojo, and it makes them sloppy, because Mizu doesn't fricking care and that's why she bodies everyone else.

        god this show was so engineered for you fricking people who want serious adult animation that isn't fart jookes all day, and you all hate it? what do you want?? more ponies?? you guys just want pablum shows yet you all b***h when you're given real food

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          > there isn't titty fanservice in the show
          What fricking show did you watch?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of the people in this thread like it, moron. Myself (the person you responded to) included.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      there is no art at all anywhere
      feels like literally no one has seen or heard of this show
      how did it even get renewed for a second season

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Netflix kinda fibs the seasons. They order a block of episodes at once which they split up into seasons. They give themselves a little press bump by announcing that the series has been renewed, but it was a forgone conclusion and in many cases that season is already done (or at least well along the way).
        That said, the show is amazing and I’m glad we’ll get more. I hope they keep it going.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It may be because the art would be more tough to replicate than the simple shapes you see in most shows.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        > feels like literally no one has seen or heard of this show
        The promo art didn’t make it look very good. I thought it was going to be a typical American take on anime. The first episode also takes a bit to get into with the immediate text info dump into historical Edo Japan which made it seem like it was going to be kinda dry. I’m glad I stuck it out, but it’s the sort of thing that really requires a nudge to check out. I’m mildly worried people are going to sleep on it and it will get cancelled early.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      All I’ve seen is complaints about Mary sues on here and general praise outside this site. But the thing is it’s kinda a ‘oh that’s a good show’ without fandom passion. Sure there’s fanart made elsewhere but it’s not from a place of ‘omg hot/shipping/cool/hype’, it almost mandated respect. Not inorganic mind you, but just similar praise, say, a einser winning comic would get from normies.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      She's not a very attractive woman anon

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    By your logic, Musashi is a Gary stu

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Musashi had over a decade of formal training from his father who was soldier under the local lord and was allowed to carry the lords name. That being said havent watched the show yet trying to see how it might be in this thread, but unless the lady has years of formal training under a soldier its not a good comparison.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No formal training. She apprenticed under a blind swordsmith who, in order to make swords for people, required them to show him all their secret techniques (he needed to understand how the sword would be used to make the right sword).
        Mizu observed this all and copied their techniques at night while wearing weights so she was able to strength train while learning secret techniques from a bunch of different styles.
        While it may take a certain amount of suspension of disbelief, it’s more believable than most movies where random dudes are suddenly kung fu masters in bar brawls and the fight continues well after someone has a bottle broken over their head.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Becomes master swordsman by just watching one psycho practice swordsmanship
    First episode explains this did you fall asleep
    >Becomes master spear user out of nowhere
    Do you think she would have trained only in Swords and thats it
    >Forges a sword from meteorite metal that even her legendary blacksmith. Something her legendary blacksmith mentor couldn't do
    Only learns how to do so from him
    >Can perform several feats of superhuman strength like throwing off several fully armored men pinning her down several times. Her strength is unexplained
    So a protagonist of literally any show ever made

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    she powered by mixed kid rage

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody knows how to use "Mary Sue" correctly. It's a fanfic term that only applies to a new character that gets inserted into a preexisting franchise who's better than all the original characters at everything and is beloved by them all even if it doesn't make sense. Rey from Disney Wars is a textbook Mary Sue, but a character from a new story can't be even if they're overpowered and poorly written.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody knows how to use "Mary Sue" correctly
      You're literally fighting a war that was lost decades ago, old man. Ironically, linguistic drift means that enough people using a word the "wrong" way makes it eventually the right way. Even the french with their silly academic gatekeeping on the language can't stop it, merely slow it down.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got kind of horny watching her absolutely dominate her husband when they were sparring

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      She does the same to Taigen though that made him horny too.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't there like 100s of "woman in feudal Japan gets revenge" movies/shows already? Why would I watch one where the promotional material sells the main character as such an unlikeable person?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't watch it then. No one cares.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are tons of all shows already. Why watch anything?
        Sounds like it’s not for you. Don’t watch this show and find another thread.

        Got it. So it's garbage and not worth watching
        Not even surprised Cinemaphile would like it then

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are tons of all shows already. Why watch anything?
      Sounds like it’s not for you. Don’t watch this show and find another thread.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Aren't there like 100s of "woman in feudal Japan gets revenge" movies/shows already?
      Name 20

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like fowler haha

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    her white genes gave her increased stats

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can we talk about how the music is essentially a Japanese-flavored Ennio Morricone Spaghetti Western score? Yes, I know italo-westerns were influenced by samurai films, but the influence seems to have come full circle both in music as well as cinematography.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mizu isn't a Mary Sue, she nearly dies multiple times, gets caught in situations where she needs people to help her and gets an arc where all of the other characters shit on her for being so obsessed with revenge above all else. We also see her train as a child

    As for the superhuman feats this isn't 100% realistic, it's a stylized show with stylized action, it's like complaining that Kill Bill or John Wick isn't realistic

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also Mary Sues are characterized by having everyone love them. Mizu's a c**t because everyone hates her.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ringu hating Mizu because she lacks honor came out of left field. He's seen her do tons of dishonorable acts before, but letting a princess go is what grosses the line?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ringo is kinda dumb and doesn’t always understand every situation fully. You can see him trying to justify Mizu’s actions in a lot of scenes. In that specific case, he had a connection to Akemi having fought off all those soldiers together so in his mind she was a friend and worth defending. The line was much more clearly drawn.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't know how this show completely fricked up the kill bill formula
      consoomerbrain

      This is the same problem as the Lara Croft reboot games, "she's not a mary sue guys look she gets beaten up all the time"
      In episode 6 alone
      >still stabbed in the ribs (unhealed)
      >slammed against wall by flooding tunnel trap with full force of ocean above, almost drowns
      >stabbed clear through the ankle with rebar
      >beaten on by 10 samurai temporarily unarmed (wins, dismembers most)
      >gets attacked by a dozen rabid baboons while drugged
      >survives explosion
      >gets attacked by feral people while drugged
      >beats 9ft tall naginata guy who choked her for tens of seconds after bodying her several dozen times
      >survives another explosion
      >carries a grown man on her back free climbing a castle wall
      >gets shot in the clavicle by a musket
      >gets shit rocked by bbeg, rifle butt to the face repeatedly, out bullshits her bullshit to stop him
      >jumps out window from 9th story of a castle on a cliff
      >hits a foot of ICE at freefall speed crashing into the ocean below (water alone would be like hitting solid concrete)
      >drowns again (lives)
      It becomes a comedy, nothing can kill her (not even the villain who never cinches that carotid any of the 40 times he chokes her to not death)

      in Kill bill you get a bunch of jobber fights, a fight that's hard, more jobber fights, then Budd fricks her up to add even more stakes to her fight with Elle. Every good action anything does the same thing. When the Bride gets fricked up, she stays fricked up. It carries forward to build stakes around a protagonist. Perception politics or simple incompetence, they can't seem to do a john wick with a girl in anything these days.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's all action movies, John Wick goes through a bunch of similar bullshit too and comes out okay, most action heroes pull similar shit and everyone just accepts it.

        The difference is Mizu flat out needs to rely on Ringo on several occasions, she needed Ringo to nurse her back to health after nearly dying from fighting the Four Fangs, she needs Ringo to bail her out from the archer trap, she nearly dies again after fighting the Thousand Claw clan. She also fails to kill Fowler after meeting him and has to run away, and once again, needs Ringo to bail her out and her master to help nurse her back to health

        Your analysis only takes into account physical feats, it completely ignores the fact that story-wise, Mizu gets criticized by virtually every character at some point for prioritizing vengeance over everything else, and does morally questionable things to try to fulfill that vengeance, such as outright murdering a woman after promising her she'd save her. She is very clearly shown as a flawed person

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >prioritized vengeance above all else
          >grows to... prioritize it harder
          >burns down japan
          >leaves to revenge some more

          You're still just coping that "but she totally gets injured guys" because it's all you have. They didn't John wick her, they Lara Croft'd her. It robs any tension the story could ever have that getting stabbed through the fricking lung or her shoulder getting shattered by a musket ball doesn't even carry over to the next SCENE much less episode. John wick and The bride carry their damage going forward because that's how you action franchise.

          Had to laugh at Falmers in universe commentary at her literal plot armor after she keeps chasing him after he keeps deciding to not kill her.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This is the same problem as the Lara Croft reboot games, "she's not a mary sue guys look she gets beaten up all the time"
        The problem with the Tomb Raider Reboots wasn't that Lara isn't a Mary Sue, it's that Lara had zero character or character development throughout the trilogy. She just does things because she has to. The writers just thought that her getting the shit beaten out of her was enough to make you sympathize with Lara.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no you see she is an amazing swordsman due to watching some dudes swing their swords.
    >it's not like sparring is the most important part of training in martial arts

    Even karate kid had the part where application of what is taught needs to be done, blue eye samurai is written by someone who thinks getting a degree makes you good at something, not the use of the knowledge.

    It's typical feminist shlock.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      We literally see her physically repeating their movements though, you used Karate Kid as an example and she does the same shit, lmao

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Repeating movements is literally nothing. Karate kid literally has his first fight where he stumbles until he applies what he learned realistically.

        How the frick does doing star wars kid movements make you better than actual soldiers you limp wristed cuckold?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah? And she fights the Four Fangs guy as a kid, spars with him and loses and learns from that

          Did you even watch this show, you're literally just saying shit that happens in each episode

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >she got her ass kicked once that means she's the greatest swordsman ever

            Look I get it, you're the same self-hating whiteoid as the low IQ Californians who made this. Making your main character a master swordsman entirely through proxy and plot armor is completely and utterly pathetic like this show is. It reeks of self guilt.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >She's a Mary Sue because she just watches other people and never practices movements, unlike the Karate Kid
              >Actually she does
              >Okay, well she never sparred with anyone, unlike the Karate Kid
              >She did
              >Okay, well.. that doesn't count!
              Why are you complaining about a show that you clearly haven't watched? If you want real hypocrisy, we never even see the majority of training that most action heroes do and are told to just accept they're badasses from the start. I don't see anyone complaining about how Luke is magically an ace pilot despite having no training at all, he only has one throwaway line saying he shoots womp rats from his t-16 and somehow that just excuses him being a pilot skilled enough to take on the Death Star

              For sparring, we only see Uma Thurman in Kill Bill sparring once with Pai Mei, and that's only in the second movie, not even the first. I don't see anyone b***hing about that either.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Luke was qualified to join the flight academy like biggs and wedge, who both vouch for luke before the scene you're even talking about happens. He's never said He's an ace pilot.

                Meanwhile she gets her ass kicked by people and she turns into musashi.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                He tells Han he’s not a bad pilot himself

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's right though. We never see her actually doing any extensive training beyond swinging a sword and getting her ass beat.

            Learning entirely from mimicry is actually a really fricking bad way to learn. Nothing she does shows she actually improves herself. She's just assumed to be a great fighter.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well we never see John Wick's training, does that make him a Mary Sue? We don't see Jackie Chan's training in a bunch of his movies, is he a Mary Sue too

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                We see him succumb to attrition smoothbrainanon

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                So? We see the same shit with Mizu, she nearly dies multiple times and needs Ringo to bail her out or bring her back to health

                We're just supposed to accept John Wick is le best assassin ever despite no training, why is it okay when he does it?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >b...b...but she gets beaten up a lot!!1!
                see

                >doesn't know how this show completely fricked up the kill bill formula
                consoomerbrain

                This is the same problem as the Lara Croft reboot games, "she's not a mary sue guys look she gets beaten up all the time"
                In episode 6 alone
                >still stabbed in the ribs (unhealed)
                >slammed against wall by flooding tunnel trap with full force of ocean above, almost drowns
                >stabbed clear through the ankle with rebar
                >beaten on by 10 samurai temporarily unarmed (wins, dismembers most)
                >gets attacked by a dozen rabid baboons while drugged
                >survives explosion
                >gets attacked by feral people while drugged
                >beats 9ft tall naginata guy who choked her for tens of seconds after bodying her several dozen times
                >survives another explosion
                >carries a grown man on her back free climbing a castle wall
                >gets shot in the clavicle by a musket
                >gets shit rocked by bbeg, rifle butt to the face repeatedly, out bullshits her bullshit to stop him
                >jumps out window from 9th story of a castle on a cliff
                >hits a foot of ICE at freefall speed crashing into the ocean below (water alone would be like hitting solid concrete)
                >drowns again (lives)
                It becomes a comedy, nothing can kill her (not even the villain who never cinches that carotid any of the 40 times he chokes her to not death)

                in Kill bill you get a bunch of jobber fights, a fight that's hard, more jobber fights, then Budd fricks her up to add even more stakes to her fight with Elle. Every good action anything does the same thing. When the Bride gets fricked up, she stays fricked up. It carries forward to build stakes around a protagonist. Perception politics or simple incompetence, they can't seem to do a john wick with a girl in anything these days.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                John Wick pulls similar bullshit too, there's an entire sequence where he's in a crowded area, shoots at another guy with a pistol, the other guy shoots back and literally no one in the entire area notices

                Why is it okay for him to pull this bullshit but no one else?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not John wick getting his ass handed to him. That's just stupid cinema. His opponent also has a magic 100% silent gun

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Half of your post is just whining about the main character doing unrealistic things, I say other action heroes do unrealistic shit all the time and no one cares, and now you're moving the goalposts again and saying it's okay for them to do unrealistic things just not survive death defying situations, yet another thing action heroes do

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                First. Not the same guy.

                Second. You're the one trying to argue she doesn't ignore injuries like lara croft and the regenerating health trope.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                She doesn't ignore injuries she nearly dies multiple times and has to get nursed back to health. John gets shot, stabbed, and thrown off buildings constantly and no one cares about that either

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >master I made you a soup of minor health and magika to heal your collapsed lung from that sucking chest wound!

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah uh I can get shot and thrown off of buildings millions of times and shrug it all off because I've got a nice suit lol

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >oh I see, so it's like totally ok in the one that has a consistent command of the forward flow of time???????
                yeah. Why is time as a concept so difficult for writers and morons. You don't depict something that would take months to heal from if you aren't willing to commit to it being present for your narrative or time moving forward in that narrative.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hollywood not understanding suppressors means it's ok Mizu's shattered shoulderblade and clavicle don't even carry over to the next scene where she wrestles with Zuko and gives him a boner
                >why is something that elevates the action good and something that trivializes action bad??????????? heh, checkmate

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did you whine about the Bride learning the Exploding Heart technique being "unrealistic" too? It's an action series, of course the protagonist is going to do unrealistic shit

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                the bride suffered attrition, it's why Kill Bill has stakes while you watch it. How many times are you going to cope about the show literally not doing what they did in Kill Bill.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you keep bringing up "attrition" Mizu nearly bleeds out multiple times

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                She gets a spike shoved through her achilles tendon and doesn't even have a limp by the time she finishes climbing the stairs.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's not the start if his fricking story, it's the end.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                John wick is literally like a 40 year old assassin at the start of the first movie. The movies are not him learning his trade they are him applying it.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mizu is easily in her 30s, she had a husband at one point, much like how John had a wife

                The first season isn't entirely about her training it's about her applying it

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                She spent most of her time literally doing nothing and getting beaten up.

                Do tell me how being a housewife is the same as being as assassin until your 30s.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet they still showed that her training was piss poor and she just became amazing from watching.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                We don't even see any of John's training, we're just told to accept he's an amazing assassin and that's fine. For Mizu's training we only see bits and pieces, the story isn't entirely about her childhood otherwise we would be watching hours and hours of her just repeating sword movements over and over again. And again this is hypocritical, I don't see anyone b***hing about the Karate Kid doing similar shit yet here we are

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            the chronology
            >fights grown man as a 12 year old girl for 5 minutes and he purposefully just makes fun of him(her) because he was actually a bad guy all along
            >gets shanked to near death waving her sword around by random peasants
            >marries a disgraced samurai
            >finally comes up she did the stuff that got her ganked by random peasants
            >heh, I want to see every part of u
            >absolutely curb stomps her adult man seasoned samurai husband fighting with a weapon she's never used to the point he shidds and calls her a monster then maybe turns her in for the reward money (but it was the prostitute/maid t. guy who did no wrong)
            >then she kills 5 samurai
            >then her husband with the knife throw he taught her while walking away without looking back

            so where between "instant lossed so hard she becomes house wife" and "becomes a hekkin oni with her freekin mind!" did her training arc happen?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              No you see just watching dudes from the sidelines is perfect training. All basketball fans are simply better than the players due to this

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not a Mary Sue because she's kind of ugly

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So half of episode 5 was just a fantasy in her mind right?
    It felt like a fever dream

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have no reason to believe that this isn't real.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      it was the best episodes by a mile. that ending hit hard

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe I'll find some more appreciators here but am I the only one who found teen mizu pretty cute?

    the fact she has no art, i mean hell even adult mizu only has like 1 pic i think, is such a fricking disappointment but i think it's hard to stylize in 2d without making her look like a racist cartoon caricature of a hapa because 3d proportions are weird, like she has a very low and round bulby nose

    been going throw the show and making a gallery of references for her
    >ep 1
    >https://files.catbox.moe/rrccbe.jpg
    >ep 2
    >https://files.catbox.moe/zebgt6.jpg

    full-er scene from the webm where she proceeds to bind her budding chest, with audio

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      some older mizu stuff i made for the other threads

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        biggest moron in the show and mizu seggs

        spliced version with audio

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I scrolled Tumblr and I think the show is finally starting to pick up steam. Some of the art is bordering or straight up making Mizu look like an asian stereotype, but there's some cool shit if you keep looking

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm convinced half the people complaining in this thread didn't actually watch this show they just skimmed some youtube videos or watched some youtuber somewhere whine about it for clicks

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      But just Cinemaphile in general

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Arguing about unsurvivable injuries in a show that is basically a spaghetti western
      I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm groaning from this moronic chain.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >poster count doesn't go up

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because I was in this thread from the start, dumbass.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Samurai stories not written by Japanese just feel wrong

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    New lore nust dropped. Mizu is 19, apparently.
    https://twitter.com/kesingerdesigns/status/1740076340249080301?t=21TPyz16GSpk_a8a-XPRRA&s=19

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      so
      she was like 16-17 when she got banged by the jomon tard?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Perhaps. He may have been disgraced by the Shogunate, but he ain't paying for no roast beef pussy.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      also those breasts on the 13 one
      holy moly, no wonder she had to bind those puppies

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Multiple mentions of the white men in japan 20 years ago
      >Mizu is 19
      That adds up.
      Also, Fowler totally new that Shindo betrayed him but had the Shogun's advisor killed to show who really has the strings in this business right?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        never understood why so many japanese men would follow a foreigner that openly wants to destroy their culture.
        makes no fricking sense.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Every major person shown in the show were using Fowler as a way to obtain their own power and then cast him aside.
          Shindo, Shogun's advisors, Akemi's father etc. all said and did things that showed that they thought they could outsmart this one man so they can rule japan. As for the soldiers, well that might be down to their hatred of the shogunate in general allowing them to put aside their hatred of the white man temporarily if everyone else's ideas are the general gist. Everyone was out for themselves, and Fowler exploited that. It's the same with giving Mizu the key to finding the last two men.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >why are evil bad men in a cartoon too dumb to understand that their evil will destroy them
          gee anon i don't know

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            shit argument in general, but especially in this case

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like the parts I like, which surprisingly is mostly the "a womans lot" stuff, didn't stay good in the context of the full first season
    The ending is a real rush job. 6, 7, and 8 it just falls right apart.
    >Mizu learns nothing, abandons her frens and even spares the bad guy to revenge even harder.

    The siege of the city is maddeningly incompetent and does nothing with the idea of factionalization causing the fall of empire through an internal coup + magically appearing army. The deuteragonist guy stands there like a fricking moron as the emperor he ignored saving his girl to protect gets shot in the fricking face. The antagonist and all his gunmen stand there not shooting anyone the entire time Mizu attacks. The bad guy beats both good guys like a dark souls boss when you fail to dodge roll in one of the few decisive action sequences, then just runs away without killing either of them and is surprised they chase him, then it happens like 4 more times.

    The place they've left it seems untenable. The sheltered princess goes full mask off female sociopathy as the capstone to her "freedom" arc. Her literal cuck is there having failed to protect the emperor, failed to rescue his girl, and doesn't even have Mizu's quest to continue on. New sword is never getting made, DEI cripple guy has no closure. The Japan arc seems abandoned.

    The bad guy and Mizu are now going to location shift to Europe where they'll do what exactly? Have people curiously gawk at a blue eyed oriental and desperately attempt zero juxtaposition to the japs killing her on sight for her race? How are they even leaving Japan when the country is on double lockdown and Fowler is the primary enemy of the state? How is she going to keep Fowler in captivity when she both couldn't beat him in a sword fight and they're going to a place where he can just start shouting really loud and get rescued? What's even the story to tell besides 3rd times the charm on revenge=bad.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. The last episode felt rushed
      Mizus revenge also feels super hollow.
      She wants to avenge her Mom but turns out she was apparently alive but is now a druggy. She then let's her husband kill her mom later on. Now she wants revenge for being born?

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are of course completely right, and in addition to this she is just an insufferable b***h.
    She is the most unlikeable protagonist I can imagine... and yet here on Cinemaphile there are idiots who worship her because they saw her breasts.
    These are the same people who hate Rey who is everything Mizu was without being a complete b***h. It defies logic and reason.
    So all I can think is it must be the breasts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're on Cinemaphile
      breasts or gtfo is in the name, so of course we like mizu who follows the rules unliek rey who isn't welcome
      what's not adding up here exactly?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      How can she be a mary sue and a total b***h at the same time you moron?

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As shameful as it is to admit, I mostly just want to see Mizu and Taigen frick. And I think it’s pretty incredible that there’s a good chance that could happen in full, on screen.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't shameful. You're just the same as the rest of the fans of this show, but without the greasy layers of pretentiousness from pretending you like it for other reasons.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's a negative billion chance of that happening but i'm with you

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        We have already gotten like five on screen sex scenes and half of them aren’t even with the show’s main ships. And the show is actively shipping and foreshadowing Mizu and Taigen. I think it’d be a huge letdown and really unfitting if the two of them started making out and then the scene just faded to black and then resumed the next morning with them cuddling. The only way we’re not seeing his dick go in her is if they never frick at all and that’s supposed to be a part of the tragedy.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Forges a sword from meteorite metal that even her legendary blacksmith. Something her legendary blacksmith mentor couldn't do
    Except that she didn't make it perfect, since it still broke and had to be reforged regardless.

    >Can perform several feats of superhuman strength like throwing off several fully armored men pinning her down several times. Her strength is unexplained
    Anyone can do that with enough training with right character and equipment. Even then, she still suffered injuries and got close to being defeated. She doesn't get off scot free like you were implying here.

    You didn't even watch the show and just went off what Cinemaphile said about the show that they haven't watched.

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