You can guess the ending with just Winds of Winter. Most people already have the Winds of Winder mapped out from just the sample chapters and most popular theories.
Not true. In the recent blog post that the OP is about, GRRM says that the released chapters altogether make up the first few hundred pages of winds if they were to be collected, but they're not the final versions anyway.
This, if you're old enough to remember the 10 year wait for winds, then you're old enough to remember when living to 100 was something special. Nowadays, every rich frick lives to 90 and beyond. Though I highly doubt he'll still write beyond the age of 80, he obviously lacks the drive to work at that age.
This, if you're old enough to remember the 10 year wait for winds, then you're old enough to remember when living to 100 was something special. Nowadays, every rich frick lives to 90 and beyond. Though I highly doubt he'll still write beyond the age of 80, he obviously lacks the drive to work at that age.
A heart attack can always get you at any time if you're not right on top of that shit.
Even if he got to Dream of Spring, it would not be the last book. This is why Winds of Winter will never release, George doesn't want to have to face the fact that he couldn't finish the series in two books if he tried.
>The biggest difference between the show ending and the book ending is that the show actually has an ending at all.
No, it didn't. It just stopped after Bran won and the dragon melted the sword chair. The fact that they're so easily talking about a sequel should confirm the obvious: GoT never got an ending.
this. to my knowledge, winds of winter has been scheduled to be released every year of the past 5 years. the last hope we had was before the series finished. now any motivation he had to shock fans and/or see their reaction is gone. the show spoiled the books. obviously he has nobody to blame but himself.
Remember when this lying fraud said that fans should kill him if he doesn’t have Winds ready by June 2020? He then proceeded to cry whenever fans asked about when he’s going to be finished with it afterwards
The worst part is his fans happily get back down on their knees to fellate him again over a "I promise I'm writing it guys, cross my heart and hope to die this time". You'd think they'd have learnt by now.
No they don't. Even redditors turned on him long ago. Maybe a couple podcasters who want interviews with him still suck him off, but every major ASOIAF community is sick of his shit
I started reading GOT and Name of the Wind when I was a teenager. Now almost 15 years later I couldnt care less how either series ends. In fact I dont even want to know what the fatman decided to change in order to save what remains of his shaky reputation.
I think part of growing up is accepting that some things have to end. And some things never get an ending at all.
There was a line from Life of Pi that really stuck with me. "I suppose all of life is an act of letting go, but what hurts is not getting a chance to say goodbye."
It's like Half-Life 3. We know it will never exist, and if it does it will suck or we won't care, bit we still want to see it. Just to say goodbye.
Its funny that you mentioned Half-Life 3. I was thinking about that. I played HL2 when it came out in 2004 and 10 years later it finally hit me that we would never get an ending. Its the same thing with series that got shitty sequels. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan when I was a kid. Then I saw TFA in the cinema and in that moment the "story" of Star Wars was done for me. I have personally made my peace with the story.
I think alot of people need to learn to let go, instead of clinging to the rotting carcass of a dairy cow that has been milked dryer than the Gobi.
I am pretty sure Half-Life 3 won't be released specifically because of all the hype it generated. Half life or Half life 2 wouldn't stick so well had they been released today, so HL3, no matter how good, will piss people off.
>Name of the Wind
Oh nonono. Dropped the "chronicles" after finally wading through the first book, ten years later I decided to Google what was up with the further releases, turns out there never was a third book and the second one was apparently worse than the first.
Same thing here. I think the only difference is that I discovered ASOIAF isn't good.
GURM just throws shit that looks cool non-stop at the audience with no planning or meaning. No surprise he appeared during the capeshit era. Or, maybe, my taste changed and I got into real literature.
actual selection bias, the people who don't care (most of them) just don't talk about it anymore
I started reading GOT and Name of the Wind when I was a teenager. Now almost 15 years later I couldnt care less how either series ends. In fact I dont even want to know what the fatman decided to change in order to save what remains of his shaky reputation.
I think part of growing up is accepting that some things have to end. And some things never get an ending at all.
>hes in a thread about books >doesnt understand why people would add paragraph breaks >calls it reddit spacing
This would be an example of reddit spacing.
this
I am re-reading ASOIAF right now, the books drop in quality real hard after the first one
it's a shit book but the show is on another level of just absolute pleb-tier dogshit
your brain has to be roasted and destroyed by cancerous social media and turned to mush to enjoy the show. Convinced only redditor IQ's can see that trash and enjoy it, absolute garbage
Depends on your personal taste. If you dislike the idea of the plot progression being delayed by slower world building then you probably won't like them.
There are definitely certain characters whose chapters are a lot worse than others though the only ones I've ever had ever trouble with finishing are Bran's wolf dreams in the first two books.
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More that they barely adapted anything from them. I'd say 30% from the last two books whereas it was 90% from the previous ones
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They also started adding a lot more show-only dialogue. "You need the bad pussy" was definitely not in the books. Also weird changes like Barristan dying.
They are good if you care more about world building than about the plot that came before and if you don't mind only seeing half the characters that you gave a shit about.
Remember when this lying fraud said that fans should kill him if he doesn’t have Winds ready by June 2020? He then proceeded to cry whenever fans asked about when he’s going to be finished with it afterwards
Fat c**t.
Remember when this lying fraud said that fans should kill him if he doesn’t have Winds ready by June 2020? He then proceeded to cry whenever fans asked about when he’s going to be finished with it afterwards
Imagine believing whatever this fat frick says
The biggest difference between the show ending and the book ending is that the show actually has an ending at all.
>GRRM: The story isn't 100% pre-planned and may change dynamically as I write it, but many things will stay the same >Newspaper: HIS ENDING IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE SHOW
Journalists are trash. Also finish the books you lazy bastard.
Yea it's obvious, but everything obvious needs to be discussed by the moronic redditards normies that habit htis homosexual board these days, with shit takes and bad jokes. But hey, i wouldn't want it any other way because imagine the day that when you open Cinemaphile and it's all good posts... He is still a fat frick who needs 10+ years for one shitty book.
I don't think the show is any reason to change the plot of the upcoming books
S8 was hated mostly because of how rushed it was, so it didn't make any sense in the context of the show
you can take the same exact plot points and if you set them up properly they would work
I really don't think there's a way to turn the crippled 8 year old that has had 3 POV chapters in the last 20 years into the king of a continent in a satisfying way.
>has his throat slit by Skagochad Rickon Stark, who trekked south of the wall to put down his brother >"a cripple cuck shouldn't be lord of Winterfell" >"btw I'm ableist"
Would be fricking awesome.
He writes. He writes a ton. The problem is it's non productive. He doesn't plan his chapters. To write one he role plays as that character and writes it in the first person. If he doesn't like how a chapter turns out, he re-role plays it. It makes for very good and realistic writing, and is fine for short stories. For long novels, however, it falls apart. He'll write the same chapter over and over and over again. Even worse, he'll get several chapters done, then realize he role played himself into a hole and some character isn't where they need to be so he goes back to that characters "last save point" and rewrites that chapter, which then cascades forwards and makes him have to rewrite all of the subsequent chapters. There are estimates he wrote ADwD five times over in terms of actual words; it's completely non productive. He needs a director; someone to say "this is the story, write it" and keep him on task.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Meereenese_knot >For example, I wrote three different versions of Quentyn's arrival at Meereen: one where he arrived long before Dany's marriage, one where he arrived much later, and one where he arrived just the day before the marriage (which is how it ended up being in the novel). And I had to write all three versions to be able to compare and see how these different arrival points affected the stories of the other characters. Including the story of a character who actually hasn't arrived yet.
>Quentyn
That guy who got burned into a crisp? What was the reason, was his juicy bacon supposed to be served at Dany's wedding feast, flow down the plump, glistening fingers of nobles or what? This is ridiculous. He is ridiculous.
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>implying Quentyn was actually burned
The novel practically beats you over the head with the fact that charred remains don't prove anything and then you're expected to believe Quentyn died?
I'd usually admire all that effort for such a minor character. But Quentyn did shit did shit except give more insight about Essos sellsword companies and die like a moron while setting two of the dragons loose.
The problem is not the skeleton which is the "hard" plot that he is following, the issue is the narrative style he opted with. POV chapters are a fricking mess, they help making description of scenarios and settings easier but completely stalls plot progression.
I can get it; when I write I tend to try and let the characters sort of "lead" the scenes themselves so it feels more organic, where they act based off their own personality, knowledge etc. instead of me just puppeting everyone around. But I still keep in mind an overall plot, without that you can't get further than a tiny novella.
All major plot points in season 8 were fine except one
It was the execution that was wrong
And Cersei being a claimant to the throne with no claim happened in season 7, not 8
Sad to say, but I’ve become more invested in asoiaf fanfic than the trajectory of the books. The theories I’ve read are better than what we were ever going to get.
It doesn’t even matter if book 6 gets released because the series still won’t be finished. It’s going to be another ADWD situation. Given his writing style, it would take 9 books at the minimum to finish the series. The fact that he’s taking so long to write isn’t a good thing
Didn't he also say that he would have a book done by the time of some con and that if he failed on that, you may lock him up until he does finish a book? His promises don't hold much water.
>Sell soul to HBO >Finally release newest book the same year as the first season >Cultural zeitgeist begins >Show catches up to the books >Noticeable decline in quality >Show goes past the books >Immense decline in quality. Half of the storylines get scrapped. >Show reaches the ending. >It's universally panned. >You just wasted a decade of promoting two nepotistic israelites' project instead of finishing your own work and then selling the rights >All because you wanted to hang out with a German pornstar you wanted to frick/cast
you are absolutely clueless if you think he sold his soul to HBO
it's only when he GAVE UP on ever finishing the books, when he decided to sell his unfinished project to a major studio. he cashed all-in and got more money fame and recognition than he could ever dream on having as simply a fantasy writer. GRRM is fricking based
>you are absolutely clueless if you think he sold his soul to HBO
They've got the rights to all of his secondary books too and are blacking up half of the noble houses for ~~*no reason*~~.
People say GRRM’s biggest writing mistake in the split book 4 of book 5 was having Daenerys frick around in Mereen but I disagree. That storyline had thematic and narrative value. It’s the Dorne plot that should’ve been cut and honestly, as interesting as Euron is, him being introduced as a big bad was a bit late in the game
>book 1-3: great noble houses plotting against each other, via war, alliances, marriage >book 5: HAHAHAHAH it's me Euron the gay pirate of this High Middle Ages Westeros setting. I read Nietzsche when I was a teenager and I want the world to burn and by the way I molested my younger brothers and I cut the tongues out of all my crew and I wear this $1 gorillion armor that is super special and I frick women and then murder them and I also cucked my brother
>him being introduced as a big bad was a bit late in the game
Gotta do something after killing off your big bad 2/3 into your story
Seriously, what the frick was he thinking killing off Tywin?
>Seriously, what the frick was he thinking killing off Tywin?
Projecting his daddy issues, subverting expectations by killing the Lannister head after they win the war and leading the way for a book that's mostly about Cersei being a moron.
Cersei moron chapters were honestly entertaining at least. Cersei and Jaime chapters were the only good thing in Feast for Crows. Still not worth killing off Tywin. Not by a long shot.
I enjoyed the rest but god, there is little narrative worth in Brienne getting a history lesson about the Whispers, showing off the iron Black folk' moronic customs and Sam running out of money for his boat ride in not-Venice.
And it wouldn't be so bad if the last two books didn't have to so much fricking stuff to resolve while also having to deal with a more bloated cast.
His biggest frickup was waiting till book 6 or maybe even book 7 to bring the White Walkers south of the wall. There is no way the war lives up to the hype, seeing as how it will be considerably shorter than war of the five kings. The series intended the War of 5 kings to be the prelude to the War For The Living, but now the War of The 5 Kings is meat and potatoes, and the White Walkers are the scouring of the Shire.
Dany stuck again with the fricking Dothraki with only two books left and nowhere near going to Westeros while still wasting time with Dorne chapters is far worse.
She is supposed to be one of the two leads and the main tragic figure of the story's climax according to the show's ending and will only get at this point 1.25 books of getting to interact with other relevant characters at most.
White Walkers won't live up to hype in any case.
It's like writing a book about heroically having a war with the Tsunami. There is no intrigue, not much of strategy, no way to go beyond "they attack, they defend, someone dies".
Im a big homosexual reader and would like to read his shitty books but will only start to do so when they are finished. I don't want gay berserk half done all over again
Wait a second. I was just thinking about the white walkers and them slaughtering men and horses and then taking their time to rearrange the corpses to make spiral symbols or some shit.
Did the show ever explain why they did that? I forget. And if not or so is that same thing in the books?
I don't recall it being in the books, but the TV series explains that the whitewalkers are the creation of the children of the forest, which I'm sure is one of the plot points that GRRM gave to D&D. The whitewalkers' arrangements are a twisted version of the children's stone arrangements around the weirdwood trees, which kinda explains where they get that from. If its in the books, why care, you'll never read winds of winter and find out anyway.
>So I've spent the last 5 years completely scrapping everything I had and rewriting it but it came out terrible so I scrapped it all again >But I'm almost ready to reveal a new chapter!
>THEY DARE KILL EVERYONE
they don't even do that
besides Ned who is one POV character who stays dead? John is resurrected, Cathleen is resurrected, the Mountain is resurrected, the Hound is not really dead, Beric Dondarrion is resurrected like 8 times. it's bullshit
Somebody get Sanderson to write a sample chapter of how he would write A dream of spring and send it to the fat man, maybe it'll motivate him to finish the fricking books.
Sanderson could never emulate GRRMs writing style. If he somehow ended up finishing ASOIAF it would devolve into a shonen manga level of writing and would end up being even worse than the show.
Very much worse.
Dude is autistic about planning shit ahead but his writing fricking sucks and sometimes when shit goes down it feels like he just translates dragonball z fights straight to text.
>I'm writing another Westeros lore compendium. >I'm writing more sci-fi books. >I'm working on Marvel shit. >I'm supervising more HBO garbage. >I'm going to every convention possible. >But above all, yes, I'm still writing WoW.
Don't believe his lies.
GRRM is, originally, a TV producer, not a writer. Keep in mind, he's a failed television guy who used to write books just to make a fast buck.
Since he went back to TV with Game of Thrones, he doesn't care about the books anymore and is probably using the never coming real ending donut steel of the books to promote his shit new show because he's the executive producer of House of the Dragon.
I hate this fat frick so much.
Fatso is a discovery writer and they're all about momentum and getting ideas straight out of their heads and onto the paper in a stream of consciousness without feeling like they're being constrained by a concrete outline of wher the story is going. It's clear he basically got most of the cool plot points he had in his head out in the first three books and the rest of it is now just meandering around until he reaches whatever vague idea of what the finish line will be but he's already done all the fun and exciting stuff, now it's just busywork that's required of him to finish the story he's already bored with. Miura was the same way with Berserk. He clearly had Golden Age and Conviction stirring in his head waiting to get out onto the page and then after that it was just "Oh yeah, I guess Guts has to de-moronify Casca and kill Griffith now or something. Ho-hum, that sounds boring, I think I'll just draw the witche-girl being cute..."
I wish he'd finish a single fricking thing. Fire and Blood, Dunk and Egg, and ASOIAF are all incomplete. Someone needs to force this clown to stop taking new projects.
Yeah I'd rather have Dunk and Egg. Lyonelbowl, the latter-day Blackfyre invasions and the mystery of the tragedy at summerhall sound like kino of the highest order. She-wolves of Winterfell sounds like a boring chore of s story to get through though, that's probably why he stalled on it.
In a perfect world, Dunk and Egg gets finished after ASOIAF, and the tragedy at Summerhall has a big reveal that forces people to reinterpret the ending.
Why did you think he spends so much time describing the food that characters eat? Because GRRM is a fat frick who likes food?
>"No!"
It's all foreshadowing about the consistency and mass of the shit the characters are going to take later in the story, all of which are essential to the plot.
The core of the ending wasn’t that bad, it was the horrid rush to get there. I hope that the White Walker conclusion was a result of them not having time to organize peace treaties for years
This man is almost the same age as Paulie Gualtieri and you could see in interviews from a couple of years ago he was already going crazy and disfunctional. How can a fat diabetic man like George retain thousands of names and plots being so unhealthy? Any tips to age mentally as gracefully as George??
Near as I can tell, despite the pressure and a generally morbid outlook on life GRRM is actually a pretty happy person who spends most of his time doing stuff he likes. He's a millionaire, he can shoot the shit with famous writers and actors whenever he wants, and as long as he's got a microwaved burrito and an extra large soda he's doing good.
As far as retaining the plots, he literally has an assistant running a wiki for him to keep track of specific details. Famously he's been corrected on eye-color several times by this guy. Now whether or not he can wrap all of these things up in a satisfying way is another matter entirely.
Remember when George had a whole page dedicated to Tyrion talking about Volantis turtles in ADWD? The guy clearly has more fun doing worldbuilding, he put out two ASOIAF history books instead prioritizing Winds. I like the world of AOSIAF but the lore doesn’t matter when there’s going to be no culmination. He should honestly just stick writing short stories within Westeros or essos. I wouldn’t mind a full tale about the nights king and the female white walker
I'd be fine with this. As long as he pretends to be working on them, there will always be some remnant of me thinking I'll get to read the book ending eventually. Better to hear it from him than to read in the newspaper that he died.
Don’t know what happened after book 3, but George suddenly developed a penchant for constantly repeating same phrases over and over >Words are winds >dark wings, dark words >mummers farce >mine own nuncle >break their fast
In Dance it's the worst it has ever gotten because people all over the world repeat the same saying over and over and it makes the world feel smaller than it's supposed to be. It's a sign that he's in a rush.
My nuncle is almost a man grown, and he must needs see a mummers farce, although it makes no matter, for it is only half-a-groat to pay.Truly he is as useless as nipples on a breastplate, or close enough to make no matter , said the leal serjeant while grease was dripping down his chin onto his shirt of boiled leather, dipping his black bread into his pease soup.
Although I care little and less for what you have to say, this concern is not without a certain low cunning.
Poison was a woman's weapon like as not, though a flagon of fine Dornish sour red sat flanked by two stone cups in the bedchamber. "A sellsword is loyal only to his purse, but a Lannister always pays his debts," said the fiery-haired prostitute as she unlaced his sleeveless leather jerkin, after which he spent himself inside her with three quick thrusts.
Although I care little and less for what you have to say, this concern is not without a certain low cunning.
Poison was a woman's weapon like as not, though a flagon of fine Dornish sour red sat flanked by two stone cups in the bedchamber. "A sellsword is loyal only to his purse, but a Lannister always pays his debts," said the fiery-haired prostitute as she unlaced his sleeveless leather jerkin, after which he spent himself inside her with three quick thrusts.
Mine own nuncle, who is now a man grown went to half a hundred towns to find out where prostitutes go. He wanted to learn much and more and for half a heartbeat he thought he figured it out, but the lying serving wench turned out to be as useless as nipples on a breastplate. "Have you taken leave of your wits?" he asked her when she told some fool's story. The Others take you, he cursed her. It was just a mummer's farce and words are wind he thought, most like she just wanted half a groat, little and less, but enough to break her fast.
I am but a young girl and know little of the ways of war, but it seems to me and mine own that that it is useless as untweakable nipples on a breastplate. You know nothing Jon Snow, for a Lannister always pays his debts. Kill the boy and let the man be born but what is dead may never die, but rises, harder and stronger, for words are wind. I am looking for a highborn maid of three-and-ten with auburn hair, perhaps you have seen her? Where do prostitutes go? Oh, but I know, I know, oh oh oh: Cersei has been fricking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moonboy for all I know. Reek, Reek, it rhymes with freak, or take your moon's blood and go. For I am almost a man grown, and I must needs get gone, my nuncle, to see my wench. But who are you? I am no one. You lie. There is many and more things that I must do and if I look back I am lost. All men must die, for the night is dark and full of terrors.
>Bookchads win
Win fricking what? It's been 11 years and counting. It's been so fricking long since I last read his shit I don't even remember it anymore.
they basically already revealed his ancestry in the books iirc.
unless there is a twist brewing, Jon Snow is the son of Ned's Sister and Dany's Older Brother
they basically already revealed his ancestry in the books iirc.
unless there is a twist brewing, Jon Snow is the son of Ned's Sister and Dany's Older Brother
George said he won't purposefully change something just because fans guessed it right. Jon will be Rhaegar's and Lyanna's son in the books aswell, will have a lot more impact than the show aswell
there was no guessing though, the books explicitly state that Lyanna and Rhaegar had a baby and Ned took it as his own to save his sister from dishonor.
I still don't understand the point of the reveal there, like Jon could have just been the son of Walder Frey and it would be just as impactful to the story. The main point was just to make Daenerys irritated of the line of succession and that's it
Rigthly so. The twist is pretty heavily telegraphed in AGoT, but then again, GRRM still must have thought that he'd close the story with just three books. Now that the story has gone on for 5 books and has been in publication since 1996, everyone has guessed the twist, but that's not a reason to change it
I feel like the best case outcome is the fat frick dies of a heart attack & they hire someone else to finish the series. That way when people are inevitable pissed & disappointed in the ending at least it will be finished & there is a scapegoat to take the blame
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.
Why were people so triggered from Jaime going back to Cersei? It was the natural progression of his character
The fat man even spells it out for you >Love is the death of duty
This was always known by anybody with half a brain. He's been saying this for years, it's not breaking news. It takes a special kind of idiot to develop an ending as bad as the show's. This just means that whatever plot points stuck to DnD's tiny little brains and used for the show, in the books they will actually be competently developed.
>whatever plot points stuck to DnD's tiny little brains and used for the show, in the books they will actually be competently developed
Anon, you're being delusional. The primary reason the fat frick CANNOT FINISH the series is that he's not able to fully develop/wrap up plot points. The last two books are a mess - they failed to resolve anything, they failed to move the plot forward even a millimeter, and to make matters even worse they introduced too many pointless new elements.
Imagine that the fat frick threw a pot of spaghetti against the wall - do you really think he has the desire or perseverance to pick it all up and make it into something clean and complete? He'll laugh, order pizza, and leave the mess for the maid to clean up.
Books 4 and 5 were already shit, I see no reason to be excited about this one. Nothing gets resolved, nothing meaningful happens, characters get introduced just so people can die
>sniff sniff sniff >I'm smelling the internet... very strange smells... >wait, sniff sniff sniff... is that the smell of people saying I will die before finishing my books
So George definitely wanted to frick his mother or sister, right? There’s way too much incest in his books(not just asoiaf) for it not to be the result of an internal desire
It might have started off as an allegory to old nobility regularly fricking their cousins to keep their bloodlines pure but there ended up being way too many sisterfrickers to not be a fetish thing.
2020-2021 was the only possible chance he was going to finish the books, and the news that he spent most of the latter half the time on spinoffs ended that anyway.
Between catching up on cons and travelling around for the new show, he's not going to be doing anymore writing this year.
>but...but..but..I'm a gardener!!! Its my process to re-write everything until it no longer looks like what I initially told double D because everyone hated it. This has re hyped you all up now right? Right??!? Its going to be so different from the show, but no too different from the show if you enjoyed the show. Its going to be released this year!!!!! Just hang on just a little bit longer megafans!!!!!!
Dorne would have been cool if we didn't visit them in Feast For Crows. Nothing about that plot was relevant, we already knew the Dornish were Targ sympathizers. The whole thing could have been hinted at in other storylines, then have a big reveal when Dany lands and the Dornish armies show up to help her.
HBO were swearing up and down that the ending they did was what Martin had told them was going to happen in the book seeing how he was under contract I'm pretty sure they can sue if it turns out he outright lied to them. Not that it actually matters since the book is never getting written but still.
Dance is just so fricking meandering at a time when the plot really needs to be moving forward. Danny needed to get to Westeros, Winter need to arrive, and The Others needed to start being a threat. Its 1000 fricking pages and nothing happens.
>Its 1000 fricking pages and nothing happens. >Robert Jordan blocks your path
b***h please, let me know when you have 4000 pages of nothing happening and your author dies before he can finish his work...
Timeline issues. He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea), but even more wanted to write a ton of pointless filler from the period in between, so he cancelled the timeskip but never resolved the issues that led to it being needed.
>Timeline issues. He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea), but even more wanted to write a ton of pointless filler from the period in between, so he cancelled the timeskip but never resolved the issues that led to it being needed.
>He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea)
Why do gays always jump on the timeskip shit like its the holy grail that would have fixed the series? If he did the timeskip, he'd have to spend the entire fourth book revealing what the frick happened to all the characters during the eight year gap and explaining the new setting. It would have basically been a second first book, gurm picked the best of two bad options when he decided against the timeskip.
It was only a 5-year gap he had in mind, and it would have clear a lot of the clutter.
For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap and this would have been related to readers via Sam chapters. FAegon was also meant to land in Westeros during the timeskip and his eventual defeat would be told to readers in the form of a Cersei prologue, who was musing about the eventful last five years and smugly recalling how she defeated another Targaryen and she was now Robert's equal.
All those plots are now going to need to happen in Winds, and are going to dramatically slow down the narrative.
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That sounds absolute garbage.
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>For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap
bullshit lmao
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>For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap and this would have been related to readers via Sam chapters. FAegon was also meant to land in Westeros during the timeskip and his eventual defeat would be told to readers in the form of a Cersei prologue, who was musing about the eventful last five years and smugly recalling how she defeated another Targaryen and she was now Robert's equal.
You have to be a pretty sick and twisted bastard to come up with this shit
>Why do gays always jump on the timeskip shit like its the holy grail that would have fixed the series?
It would have just solved the problem of the kid characters having to get good before they help save the world from the ice apocalypse.
>Timeline issues. He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea), but even more wanted to write a ton of pointless filler from the period in between, so he cancelled the timeskip but never resolved the issues that led to it being needed.
Is that what went wrong with the series?
AFFC and ADWD were basically GRRM trying to patch over the timeskip and cover several years of meandering and training in a compressed timeline.
The time skip would have worked great for some characters (Arya, Brandon, Danaerys) but hard to square for others (Stannis). The solution would have been to write a "bridge" book that moved characters who weren't ready into position for a five-year gap. The series would probably already be wrapped up in that case. Losing the time skip and the new opportunities for GRRM the tv show brought killed the books. That, and GRRm's refusal to listen to outside help and increasing fascination with the world he created instead of the story set in it.
>not!Rome had dragons and defeated not!Carthage and salted their capital city >not!Venice has a sprawling commercial empire, elects its not!Doge in a complicated election system, and is the center of a powerful bank (well this is actually Florence) >not!Constantinople has several walls and is constantly being raided by not!Huns / not!Bulgars, and it carries the legacy of not!Rome
We get it GRRM, you read some history
Because they're shit. AFFC at least had the great Jaime chapters but ADWD has frick all.
ADWD literally doesn't have resolutions for half its plotlines, the first third of Winds will be progressing the ones that got chopped off to get the book out for the first season of the show.
people who read Georges books are cucks. the readers are the cucks and George is the bull. he masterbaits to the fans reactions after posting another update on his blog. uhhhh another delay thats the 45th setback in 10 years uggg god take it reader you fricking take it.
for filler. They started condensing what was left from the books and getting through it as fast as they could. D&D only want to do up until the Red Wedding then can the series.
After RW they demanded to cut seasons, air less episode per season etc. Even with this, they'd condensed the story so much that they had to include fan fic self-contained story arcs to paid remaining airtime. This (~S4) was also when GRRM cut ties with them and has not mentioned them by name ever since.
D&D should have just passed on the series to somebody else and then they probably would have been able to get their Star Wars show and they wouldn't be considered a joke by the industry
because le shock factor. I remember they constantly stated this in early interviews. Red Wedding was their sole intention for wanting to do the show, they obviously didn't plan beyond that when you see the show lose all focus and just turn into a clusterfrick after that.
Remember when the show got to where the books are in the Meereen storyline?
And it now came to the show writers to write their way out of the proverbial "Meereenese knot", since the books trailed off there.
And then the show's solution was: >uhhhh Dany rides her dragon and suddenly all problems go away? >and the masters now respect her and they will stop slavery even when she leaves 🙂 >and Daario can be left in charge of the city since he's a scoundrel with a heart of gold 🙂
But also, it's the fan-name for GRRM struggling with how to unfrick his Meereen plotline, which has 5 POVs running concurrently (Barristan, Tyrion, Victarion, Danearys, Quentyn). He needs to find a solution for how Danearys can pretty much eradicate deeply-entrenched slavery in Slaver's Bay, defeat an alliance of Yunkish, Volantene, Ghis forces that are besieging Meereen... Meereen also has an underground guerrilla of former slavers that she needs to stamp out, she hasn't domesticated her dragons properly, etc. It's pretty much a nightmare and most likely Danearys will shrug, figure that she tried, and frick off to Westeros.
>It's going to be disappointing either way. The entire battle of Fire is a plot device for Danearys to acquire more ships and for Tyrion and Victarion to make themselves useful to her before they meet. But then Danearys will be like: "it's too hot here. let's go somewhere else gang"
>It's going to be disappointing either way. The entire battle of Fire is a plot device for Danearys to acquire more ships and for Tyrion and Victarion to make themselves useful to her before they meet. But then Danearys will be like: "it's too hot here. let's go somewhere else gang"
Burning everyone that's against her and leaving an incompetent occupation that will keep a milder form of slavery seems like the solution most in line with irl history.
The ratings momentum was insane, especially considering the rate of piracy. Not a single person I know used streaming services to watch this.
I don't think that TV will ever be this fun again.
I also predict that there will now be a GoT spinoff running every year for the next few decade or 2 once house of the dragon starts. Similar to The Walking Dead
what could they even make a Jon Snow show about? He was the least interesting character and he'd be with no cast in a setting which is just snow. If they included any mysterious magic elements. it'd be retconning the source material
Here is, off the top of my head, a list of plot points that need to be resolved in the books >Jaimie, Bryenne, and Lady Stoneheart showdown >The Valonqar >Young Griff's fate/Vary's goals for him >Stannis v. Bolton battle >Jon's assassination >What's happening at Hardhome >What the White Walkers Want/where they came from >Beating the White Walkers >Euron's ultimate plan >Dragonbinder >Victarion reaching Mereen/what Moqorro wants with him >Dany dealing with the Dothraki >Dany returning to Mereen >Dany going to Westeros >Clegane Bowl (Could be averted, but I don't think we've seen the last of the Hound) >The Faith Militant vs. Ceresei >The Knight of Flowers being mortally wounded >Illyrio's ultimate plan with Dany >Littlefinger's ultimate plan/Sansa's role in it/getting the Vale involved in the war >Dorne declaring for the Targs >Arya becoming/escaping the Faceless Men >Tyrion returning to Westeros (Maybe finding out where prostitutes go) >What Happened to Valyria >Who are the other two heads of the Dragon? >Dany's Three Betrayals >What's the deal with Quaithe the masked woman? >Marwyn the Mage and the Faceless Man and the Maesters's scheme >Davos going to get Rickon on Skaggos >Sam becoming a Maester/Wizard
Neat! It's been like ten years since I read them so I don't remember all the details. I do remember something implying there were like firewyrms in the slave mines of Valyria or something?
The biggest difference between the show ending and the book ending is that the show actually has an ending at all.
This. Books have no ending. Well be lucky to get Winds of Winter. He wont live long enough to get Dream of Spring out.
You can guess the ending with just Winds of Winter. Most people already have the Winds of Winder mapped out from just the sample chapters and most popular theories.
Those sample chapters were just left out chapters from ADWD. We haven’t actually seen a single page he’s written for TWOW
Not true. In the recent blog post that the OP is about, GRRM says that the released chapters altogether make up the first few hundred pages of winds if they were to be collected, but they're not the final versions anyway.
>Well be lucky to get Winds of Winter.
He's 73. There's zero chance. It's not coming.
He's rich, anon, he could live a while longer. I've known fatter and poorer men live to 90.
>I've known fatter and poorer men live to 90.
How many of them were productive from 70 onwards?
One
So you're telling me there's a chance?
This, if you're old enough to remember the 10 year wait for winds, then you're old enough to remember when living to 100 was something special. Nowadays, every rich frick lives to 90 and beyond. Though I highly doubt he'll still write beyond the age of 80, he obviously lacks the drive to work at that age.
A heart attack can always get you at any time if you're not right on top of that shit.
Even if he got to Dream of Spring, it would not be the last book. This is why Winds of Winter will never release, George doesn't want to have to face the fact that he couldn't finish the series in two books if he tried.
He could just cope that AFFC and ADWD were Book 4 divided in two parts if his 7 book autism is giving him problems.
>The biggest difference between the show ending and the book ending is that the show actually has an ending at all.
No, it didn't. It just stopped after Bran won and the dragon melted the sword chair. The fact that they're so easily talking about a sequel should confirm the obvious: GoT never got an ending.
And dropping Drogon taking Dany to Isengard
gay gay detected
first chad best chad
Yes the same tired joke for the 6 millionth time.
Imagine believing whatever this fat frick says
this. to my knowledge, winds of winter has been scheduled to be released every year of the past 5 years. the last hope we had was before the series finished. now any motivation he had to shock fans and/or see their reaction is gone. the show spoiled the books. obviously he has nobody to blame but himself.
Try 7 years
Fat c**t.
Bran the Blessed is totally different from Bran the Broken
Remember when this lying fraud said that fans should kill him if he doesn’t have Winds ready by June 2020? He then proceeded to cry whenever fans asked about when he’s going to be finished with it afterwards
The worst part is his fans happily get back down on their knees to fellate him again over a "I promise I'm writing it guys, cross my heart and hope to die this time". You'd think they'd have learnt by now.
No they don't. Even redditors turned on him long ago. Maybe a couple podcasters who want interviews with him still suck him off, but every major ASOIAF community is sick of his shit
People are hopeful, but every ASOIAF community open shits on this guy and are super abrasive towards him.
Even r/asoiaf was deriding his promises and there were multiple comments about "yeah but remember that he was saying the same back in 2015 so...".
I started reading GOT and Name of the Wind when I was a teenager. Now almost 15 years later I couldnt care less how either series ends. In fact I dont even want to know what the fatman decided to change in order to save what remains of his shaky reputation.
I think part of growing up is accepting that some things have to end. And some things never get an ending at all.
The fatman doesnt deserve our attention/money.
There was a line from Life of Pi that really stuck with me. "I suppose all of life is an act of letting go, but what hurts is not getting a chance to say goodbye."
It's like Half-Life 3. We know it will never exist, and if it does it will suck or we won't care, bit we still want to see it. Just to say goodbye.
Its funny that you mentioned Half-Life 3. I was thinking about that. I played HL2 when it came out in 2004 and 10 years later it finally hit me that we would never get an ending. Its the same thing with series that got shitty sequels. I used to be a huge Star Wars fan when I was a kid. Then I saw TFA in the cinema and in that moment the "story" of Star Wars was done for me. I have personally made my peace with the story.
I think alot of people need to learn to let go, instead of clinging to the rotting carcass of a dairy cow that has been milked dryer than the Gobi.
I agree, Star Wars is another great example. Something that had a good ending, and now exists in a state of shitty limbo.
I am pretty sure Half-Life 3 won't be released specifically because of all the hype it generated. Half life or Half life 2 wouldn't stick so well had they been released today, so HL3, no matter how good, will piss people off.
>Name of the Wind
Oh nonono. Dropped the "chronicles" after finally wading through the first book, ten years later I decided to Google what was up with the further releases, turns out there never was a third book and the second one was apparently worse than the first.
Same thing here. I think the only difference is that I discovered ASOIAF isn't good.
GURM just throws shit that looks cool non-stop at the audience with no planning or meaning. No surprise he appeared during the capeshit era.
Or, maybe, my taste changed and I got into real literature.
actual selection bias, the people who don't care (most of them) just don't talk about it anymore
reddit spacing please go
Not him but reddit spacing is double spacing paragraphs stupid.
"reddit spacing" is a meme made to bring to light the newbies like you who don't seem to know it's a meme
>hes in a thread about books
>doesnt understand why people would add paragraph breaks
>calls it reddit spacing
This would be an example of reddit spacing.
You absolute mongoloid.
Seethe, cope, dillate, have sex, meds, chud.
Reddit spacing.
>reddit spacing please go
Look at how easy it is
To troll morons. morons....like you.
Just by hitting the enter key.
Plebbit......SPAAAAAACING!
you are literally bleddit spacing in your post
This guy hasnt written a good book in 25 years.
this
I am re-reading ASOIAF right now, the books drop in quality real hard after the first one
And the saddest part about that is how hard GoT S1 mogs the first book.
Yeah the first few seasons were pretty solid I think about season 4 or 5 I was like done with that shit.
> first few seasons
Nah, just the first season. It gets progressively worse after that.
it's a shit book but the show is on another level of just absolute pleb-tier dogshit
your brain has to be roasted and destroyed by cancerous social media and turned to mush to enjoy the show. Convinced only redditor IQ's can see that trash and enjoy it, absolute garbage
Anon S1-S4 and S5-S8 are like completely different shows and you have to be fricking moronic and blind and deaf to think otherwise.
What changed after s4?
"Adapting" the shittier books
>"Adapting" the shittier books
Are Book 4 and 5 THAT bad?
Depends on your personal taste. If you dislike the idea of the plot progression being delayed by slower world building then you probably won't like them.
There are definitely certain characters whose chapters are a lot worse than others though the only ones I've ever had ever trouble with finishing are Bran's wolf dreams in the first two books.
More that they barely adapted anything from them. I'd say 30% from the last two books whereas it was 90% from the previous ones
They also started adding a lot more show-only dialogue. "You need the bad pussy" was definitely not in the books. Also weird changes like Barristan dying.
What were the best original scenes added to the show?
>And the saddest part about that is how hard GoT S1 mogs the first book.
Aside from completely ruining the fricking prologue
He got old and cannae hack it anymore.
AffC is good.
Nope.
Filter'd.
standalone it's pretty mediocre. imo both AFFC and ADWD are miles better if you read them concurrently instead of one after the other.
They are good if you care more about world building than about the plot that came before and if you don't mind only seeing half the characters that you gave a shit about.
>the worst of all the books
What's your problem with AFFC?
Dilate
Armageddon Rag was 40 years ago
He had never written a good book. His stuff is fanfiction tier.
It will still end the same way, so it's going to be trash
Even his most dedicated fans know that the series won't have an ending.
>GRRM: The story isn't 100% pre-planned and may change dynamically as I write it, but many things will stay the same
>Newspaper: HIS ENDING IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE SHOW
Journalists are trash. Also finish the books you lazy bastard.
GRRM is probably the only person on the planet that thinks the series will actually be finished at this point
Wait? So it wasn't obvious to everyone he is rewriting massive parts of the books after seeing how the series mangled major plot points?
Yea it's obvious, but everything obvious needs to be discussed by the moronic redditards normies that habit htis homosexual board these days, with shit takes and bad jokes. But hey, i wouldn't want it any other way because imagine the day that when you open Cinemaphile and it's all good posts... He is still a fat frick who needs 10+ years for one shitty book.
I don't think the show is any reason to change the plot of the upcoming books
S8 was hated mostly because of how rushed it was, so it didn't make any sense in the context of the show
you can take the same exact plot points and if you set them up properly they would work
I really don't think there's a way to turn the crippled 8 year old that has had 3 POV chapters in the last 20 years into the king of a continent in a satisfying way.
Bloodraven bodysnatching
>has his throat slit by Skagochad Rickon Stark, who trekked south of the wall to put down his brother
>"a cripple cuck shouldn't be lord of Winterfell"
>"btw I'm ableist"
Would be fricking awesome.
That implies that he had stuff actually written
>George R R Martin
>Writing at all
He writes. He writes a ton. The problem is it's non productive. He doesn't plan his chapters. To write one he role plays as that character and writes it in the first person. If he doesn't like how a chapter turns out, he re-role plays it. It makes for very good and realistic writing, and is fine for short stories. For long novels, however, it falls apart. He'll write the same chapter over and over and over again. Even worse, he'll get several chapters done, then realize he role played himself into a hole and some character isn't where they need to be so he goes back to that characters "last save point" and rewrites that chapter, which then cascades forwards and makes him have to rewrite all of the subsequent chapters. There are estimates he wrote ADwD five times over in terms of actual words; it's completely non productive. He needs a director; someone to say "this is the story, write it" and keep him on task.
Source? Please be real
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Meereenese_knot
>For example, I wrote three different versions of Quentyn's arrival at Meereen: one where he arrived long before Dany's marriage, one where he arrived much later, and one where he arrived just the day before the marriage (which is how it ended up being in the novel). And I had to write all three versions to be able to compare and see how these different arrival points affected the stories of the other characters. Including the story of a character who actually hasn't arrived yet.
>Quentyn
That guy who got burned into a crisp? What was the reason, was his juicy bacon supposed to be served at Dany's wedding feast, flow down the plump, glistening fingers of nobles or what? This is ridiculous. He is ridiculous.
>implying Quentyn was actually burned
The novel practically beats you over the head with the fact that charred remains don't prove anything and then you're expected to believe Quentyn died?
yeah it's fricking over, we're never getting a single book from this fat steamboat captain looking motherfricker
I'd usually admire all that effort for such a minor character. But Quentyn did shit did shit except give more insight about Essos sellsword companies and die like a moron while setting two of the dragons loose.
The problem is not the skeleton which is the "hard" plot that he is following, the issue is the narrative style he opted with. POV chapters are a fricking mess, they help making description of scenarios and settings easier but completely stalls plot progression.
I can get it; when I write I tend to try and let the characters sort of "lead" the scenes themselves so it feels more organic, where they act based off their own personality, knowledge etc. instead of me just puppeting everyone around. But I still keep in mind an overall plot, without that you can't get further than a tiny novella.
All major plot points in season 8 were fine except one
It was the execution that was wrong
And Cersei being a claimant to the throne with no claim happened in season 7, not 8
>he is writing at all
Anon are you moronic?
Sad to say, but I’ve become more invested in asoiaf fanfic than the trajectory of the books. The theories I’ve read are better than what we were ever going to get.
It doesn’t even matter if book 6 gets released because the series still won’t be finished. It’s going to be another ADWD situation. Given his writing style, it would take 9 books at the minimum to finish the series. The fact that he’s taking so long to write isn’t a good thing
Didn't he also say that he would have a book done by the time of some con and that if he failed on that, you may lock him up until he does finish a book? His promises don't hold much water.
>Sell soul to HBO
>Finally release newest book the same year as the first season
>Cultural zeitgeist begins
>Show catches up to the books
>Noticeable decline in quality
>Show goes past the books
>Immense decline in quality. Half of the storylines get scrapped.
>Show reaches the ending.
>It's universally panned.
>You just wasted a decade of promoting two nepotistic israelites' project instead of finishing your own work and then selling the rights
>All because you wanted to hang out with a German pornstar you wanted to frick/cast
you are absolutely clueless if you think he sold his soul to HBO
it's only when he GAVE UP on ever finishing the books, when he decided to sell his unfinished project to a major studio. he cashed all-in and got more money fame and recognition than he could ever dream on having as simply a fantasy writer. GRRM is fricking based
>you are absolutely clueless if you think he sold his soul to HBO
They've got the rights to all of his secondary books too and are blacking up half of the noble houses for ~~*no reason*~~.
That's completely wrong. That pornstar is Turkish.
Born and raised in Germany so German.
Just like a fish born in a barn is a cow.
Kurdish, ackshully
>All because you wanted to hang out with a German pornstar you wanted to frick/cast
Story?
The actress who played Shae was previously a Turkish-German pornstar. She and GRRM did a couple of interviews together at his house.
Sounds like GRRM won hard, and ASOIAF fans lost
Pretty based for a fatfrick israelite
People say GRRM’s biggest writing mistake in the split book 4 of book 5 was having Daenerys frick around in Mereen but I disagree. That storyline had thematic and narrative value. It’s the Dorne plot that should’ve been cut and honestly, as interesting as Euron is, him being introduced as a big bad was a bit late in the game
I fricking hate Euron.
>book 1-3: great noble houses plotting against each other, via war, alliances, marriage
>book 5: HAHAHAHAH it's me Euron the gay pirate of this High Middle Ages Westeros setting. I read Nietzsche when I was a teenager and I want the world to burn and by the way I molested my younger brothers and I cut the tongues out of all my crew and I wear this $1 gorillion armor that is super special and I frick women and then murder them and I also cucked my brother
Agreed, also:
>Muh Lovecraft
Euron is at least a huge step-up as a character compared to Balon.
Dany being in Meereen for so long is a mistake more because it results in her only being able to be in Westeros for one out of the seven books.
>him being introduced as a big bad was a bit late in the game
Gotta do something after killing off your big bad 2/3 into your story
Seriously, what the frick was he thinking killing off Tywin?
>Seriously, what the frick was he thinking killing off Tywin?
Projecting his daddy issues, subverting expectations by killing the Lannister head after they win the war and leading the way for a book that's mostly about Cersei being a moron.
Cersei moron chapters were honestly entertaining at least. Cersei and Jaime chapters were the only good thing in Feast for Crows. Still not worth killing off Tywin. Not by a long shot.
I enjoyed the rest but god, there is little narrative worth in Brienne getting a history lesson about the Whispers, showing off the iron Black folk' moronic customs and Sam running out of money for his boat ride in not-Venice.
And it wouldn't be so bad if the last two books didn't have to so much fricking stuff to resolve while also having to deal with a more bloated cast.
His biggest frickup was waiting till book 6 or maybe even book 7 to bring the White Walkers south of the wall. There is no way the war lives up to the hype, seeing as how it will be considerably shorter than war of the five kings. The series intended the War of 5 kings to be the prelude to the War For The Living, but now the War of The 5 Kings is meat and potatoes, and the White Walkers are the scouring of the Shire.
Dany stuck again with the fricking Dothraki with only two books left and nowhere near going to Westeros while still wasting time with Dorne chapters is far worse.
She is supposed to be one of the two leads and the main tragic figure of the story's climax according to the show's ending and will only get at this point 1.25 books of getting to interact with other relevant characters at most.
>only two books left
Yeah right. If he gets to book 7, the way he writes he’s gonna have to write more.
White Walkers won't live up to hype in any case.
It's like writing a book about heroically having a war with the Tsunami. There is no intrigue, not much of strategy, no way to go beyond "they attack, they defend, someone dies".
Im a big homosexual reader and would like to read his shitty books but will only start to do so when they are finished. I don't want gay berserk half done all over again
What was the tax policy of the white walkers?
Wait a second. I was just thinking about the white walkers and them slaughtering men and horses and then taking their time to rearrange the corpses to make spiral symbols or some shit.
Did the show ever explain why they did that? I forget. And if not or so is that same thing in the books?
I don't recall it being in the books, but the TV series explains that the whitewalkers are the creation of the children of the forest, which I'm sure is one of the plot points that GRRM gave to D&D. The whitewalkers' arrangements are a twisted version of the children's stone arrangements around the weirdwood trees, which kinda explains where they get that from. If its in the books, why care, you'll never read winds of winter and find out anyway.
>So I've spent the last 5 years completely scrapping everything I had and rewriting it but it came out terrible so I scrapped it all again
>But I'm almost ready to reveal a new chapter!
>It's just another Areo Hotah chapter
>new deaths
>OH MY GOD I HECKING LOVE DEATHS
>THE BEST THING ABOUT GOT IS THAT THEY DARE KILL EVERYONE
>DID YOU HECKING EXPECT THAT DEATH!?
>THEY DARE KILL EVERYONE
they don't even do that
besides Ned who is one POV character who stays dead? John is resurrected, Cathleen is resurrected, the Mountain is resurrected, the Hound is not really dead, Beric Dondarrion is resurrected like 8 times. it's bullshit
This. I have no idea why GOT garnered this artificial reputation as a lethal series where everyone is at risk of dying.
>John is resurrected
technically he's still dead in the books. absolutely nobody thinks he won't come back, of course.
Imagine if he had balls and actually just left Jon dead.
That'd be a shitty end to his arc
>That'd be a shitty end to his arc
a shitty end to Jon's arc, you say?
>The 30 year old DOOTHER
>Jordan dies
>GRRM somehow still alive
inb4 Sanderson gets his hands on the corpse work and jumps the gun even more than he did with WoT
Somebody get Sanderson to write a sample chapter of how he would write A dream of spring and send it to the fat man, maybe it'll motivate him to finish the fricking books.
Sanderson could never emulate GRRMs writing style. If he somehow ended up finishing ASOIAF it would devolve into a shonen manga level of writing and would end up being even worse than the show.
How could it be any more shounenshit than it already is in the show?
I meant Sanderson would frick up the books to the point they would be even more shounenshit than the show.
Hoe much worse could he possibly be?
Very much worse.
Dude is autistic about planning shit ahead but his writing fricking sucks and sometimes when shit goes down it feels like he just translates dragonball z fights straight to text.
Can't wait
i read the books twice and I don't even remember them anymore, shits been many years of nothing from him. He will never finish the series
>I'm writing another Westeros lore compendium.
>I'm writing more sci-fi books.
>I'm working on Marvel shit.
>I'm supervising more HBO garbage.
>I'm going to every convention possible.
>But above all, yes, I'm still writing WoW.
Don't believe his lies.
GRRM is, originally, a TV producer, not a writer. Keep in mind, he's a failed television guy who used to write books just to make a fast buck.
Since he went back to TV with Game of Thrones, he doesn't care about the books anymore and is probably using the never coming real ending donut steel of the books to promote his shit new show because he's the executive producer of House of the Dragon.
I hate this fat frick so much.
This. He always wanted to be aa tv guy. It seems like alot less work. Hes fricking the fans and bailing.
>he was a failed tv guy
>took part in one of the biggest tv shows ever made
Nice take anon really stimulating my noodle.
Fatso is a discovery writer and they're all about momentum and getting ideas straight out of their heads and onto the paper in a stream of consciousness without feeling like they're being constrained by a concrete outline of wher the story is going. It's clear he basically got most of the cool plot points he had in his head out in the first three books and the rest of it is now just meandering around until he reaches whatever vague idea of what the finish line will be but he's already done all the fun and exciting stuff, now it's just busywork that's required of him to finish the story he's already bored with. Miura was the same way with Berserk. He clearly had Golden Age and Conviction stirring in his head waiting to get out onto the page and then after that it was just "Oh yeah, I guess Guts has to de-moronify Casca and kill Griffith now or something. Ho-hum, that sounds boring, I think I'll just draw the witche-girl being cute..."
>I write books for autistic people
Sure it's cool he outlines multiple books in advance but his writing is fricking dogshit.
Correction: it's a mountain of dogshit, prolific in both its quantity and stench. In a word, based.
The definition of mediocrity. People jack him off because he "Writes books so fast", but it doesn't matter because they're all shit.
Better than gurm
Half-Life 3 will be released before this fat frick finishes his books.
I wish he'd finish a single fricking thing. Fire and Blood, Dunk and Egg, and ASOIAF are all incomplete. Someone needs to force this clown to stop taking new projects.
Yeah I'd rather have Dunk and Egg. Lyonelbowl, the latter-day Blackfyre invasions and the mystery of the tragedy at summerhall sound like kino of the highest order. She-wolves of Winterfell sounds like a boring chore of s story to get through though, that's probably why he stalled on it.
In a perfect world, Dunk and Egg gets finished after ASOIAF, and the tragedy at Summerhall has a big reveal that forces people to reinterpret the ending.
Guys, give him a break. It takes a really long time to write in great detail about a character having diarrhea.
Why did you think he spends so much time describing the food that characters eat? Because GRRM is a fat frick who likes food?
>"No!"
It's all foreshadowing about the consistency and mass of the shit the characters are going to take later in the story, all of which are essential to the plot.
Don't quote nobody.
The core of the ending wasn’t that bad, it was the horrid rush to get there. I hope that the White Walker conclusion was a result of them not having time to organize peace treaties for years
This man is almost the same age as Paulie Gualtieri and you could see in interviews from a couple of years ago he was already going crazy and disfunctional. How can a fat diabetic man like George retain thousands of names and plots being so unhealthy? Any tips to age mentally as gracefully as George??
Near as I can tell, despite the pressure and a generally morbid outlook on life GRRM is actually a pretty happy person who spends most of his time doing stuff he likes. He's a millionaire, he can shoot the shit with famous writers and actors whenever he wants, and as long as he's got a microwaved burrito and an extra large soda he's doing good.
As far as retaining the plots, he literally has an assistant running a wiki for him to keep track of specific details. Famously he's been corrected on eye-color several times by this guy. Now whether or not he can wrap all of these things up in a satisfying way is another matter entirely.
Remember when George had a whole page dedicated to Tyrion talking about Volantis turtles in ADWD? The guy clearly has more fun doing worldbuilding, he put out two ASOIAF history books instead prioritizing Winds. I like the world of AOSIAF but the lore doesn’t matter when there’s going to be no culmination. He should honestly just stick writing short stories within Westeros or essos. I wouldn’t mind a full tale about the nights king and the female white walker
Yeah we should know more details about that story, like her aureola size and if the inside of her pussy was pink or white.
>update is that the book is cancelled
>difference in ending is that there is no ending
BOOKBROS?!?
I'd be fine with this. As long as he pretends to be working on them, there will always be some remnant of me thinking I'll get to read the book ending eventually. Better to hear it from him than to read in the newspaper that he died.
Don’t know what happened after book 3, but George suddenly developed a penchant for constantly repeating same phrases over and over
>Words are winds
>dark wings, dark words
>mummers farce
>mine own nuncle
>break their fast
There are pictures of his qt editor scolding him about that, then he scrawls "stet" (this stays) in big red letters over his comments kek.
>qt editor
pics
BIG
PINK
MAST
In Dance it's the worst it has ever gotten because people all over the world repeat the same saying over and over and it makes the world feel smaller than it's supposed to be. It's a sign that he's in a rush.
>It's a sign that he's in a rush.
No he's not
>It's a sign that he's in a rush.
it's a sign of the exact opposite.
>like nipples on a breastplate
Is he supposed to suddenly introduce "breakfast" in the middle of the series, or do you think he should stop referencing the morning meal altogether
My nuncle is almost a man grown, and he must needs see a mummers farce, although it makes no matter, for it is only half-a-groat to pay.Truly he is as useless as nipples on a breastplate, or close enough to make no matter , said the leal serjeant while grease was dripping down his chin onto his shirt of boiled leather, dipping his black bread into his pease soup.
[the bread was fresh from the ovens]
quick somebody get GPF-3 to finish ASOIAF.
Although I care little and less for what you have to say, this concern is not without a certain low cunning.
Poison was a woman's weapon like as not, though a flagon of fine Dornish sour red sat flanked by two stone cups in the bedchamber. "A sellsword is loyal only to his purse, but a Lannister always pays his debts," said the fiery-haired prostitute as she unlaced his sleeveless leather jerkin, after which he spent himself inside her with three quick thrusts.
Mine own nuncle, who is now a man grown went to half a hundred towns to find out where prostitutes go. He wanted to learn much and more and for half a heartbeat he thought he figured it out, but the lying serving wench turned out to be as useless as nipples on a breastplate. "Have you taken leave of your wits?" he asked her when she told some fool's story. The Others take you, he cursed her. It was just a mummer's farce and words are wind he thought, most like she just wanted half a groat, little and less, but enough to break her fast.
I am but a young girl and know little of the ways of war, but it seems to me and mine own that that it is useless as untweakable nipples on a breastplate. You know nothing Jon Snow, for a Lannister always pays his debts. Kill the boy and let the man be born but what is dead may never die, but rises, harder and stronger, for words are wind. I am looking for a highborn maid of three-and-ten with auburn hair, perhaps you have seen her? Where do prostitutes go? Oh, but I know, I know, oh oh oh: Cersei has been fricking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moonboy for all I know. Reek, Reek, it rhymes with freak, or take your moon's blood and go. For I am almost a man grown, and I must needs get gone, my nuncle, to see my wench. But who are you? I am no one. You lie. There is many and more things that I must do and if I look back I am lost. All men must die, for the night is dark and full of terrors.
That's actually cool. This guy should get a spinoff.
Oh frick yes.
>Bookchads win
Win fricking what? It's been 11 years and counting. It's been so fricking long since I last read his shit I don't even remember it anymore.
For me it's Bakker.
What is the world like
Two penises. Magic scooters. Everyone can only speak in questions.
Fantasy with magic and gods but also spacefaring aliens
Imagine the silmarillion but the nouns have even more consonants and the prose is even dryer, and it's 800 pages long
Wolfegays and Bakkergays fight to the death
Gene no contest.
If Jon isn't the king and his ancestry isn't revealed then I don't give a shit. The most obnoxious thing in the show is the proto-democratic shit.
they basically already revealed his ancestry in the books iirc.
unless there is a twist brewing, Jon Snow is the son of Ned's Sister and Dany's Older Brother
George said he won't purposefully change something just because fans guessed it right. Jon will be Rhaegar's and Lyanna's son in the books aswell, will have a lot more impact than the show aswell
there was no guessing though, the books explicitly state that Lyanna and Rhaegar had a baby and Ned took it as his own to save his sister from dishonor.
It wasn't to save his sister from dishonor
It was to save Jon from getting smashed to bits by Robert
>will have a lot more impact than the show aswell
That doesn't take much doing, given that in the show it had pretty much zero impact.
I still don't understand the point of the reveal there, like Jon could have just been the son of Walder Frey and it would be just as impactful to the story. The main point was just to make Daenerys irritated of the line of succession and that's it
It also made Jon irked about having sex his aunt which resulted in Dany not getting the crazy fricked out of her.
Rigthly so. The twist is pretty heavily telegraphed in AGoT, but then again, GRRM still must have thought that he'd close the story with just three books. Now that the story has gone on for 5 books and has been in publication since 1996, everyone has guessed the twist, but that's not a reason to change it
Nobody cares anymore George.
I feel like the best case outcome is the fat frick dies of a heart attack & they hire someone else to finish the series. That way when people are inevitable pissed & disappointed in the ending at least it will be finished & there is a scapegoat to take the blame
GRRM took the based path, cash out early, then work at whatever pace he wants. Imagine the hooker orgies
Started reading the Stormlight Archive, enjoyed the first two books, but frick me the third is a slog
doubt I’ll bother with the 4th
Get the audiobooks from graphicaudio. Full voice cast with music, it's awesome and I can listen to it while doing other things
Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.
wait, who is Sunset?
one of those slaves she lezzes out with when learning how to make drogo cum
>GRRM drops half a sentence on his Livejournal
>explosion of Winds of Winter articles
Why the frick does he still get the attention?
Why were people so triggered from Jaime going back to Cersei? It was the natural progression of his character
The fat man even spells it out for you
>Love is the death of duty
>being cucked is the end of love
>burning letters is the end of being cucked
Because book Jaime is just better. Show jaime doesn’t realize Cersei’s poisonous influence or even find out that she’s been unfaithful to him.
Only really because she was fricking other dudes. Otherwise he'd be gladly sticking with her.
This was always known by anybody with half a brain. He's been saying this for years, it's not breaking news. It takes a special kind of idiot to develop an ending as bad as the show's. This just means that whatever plot points stuck to DnD's tiny little brains and used for the show, in the books they will actually be competently developed.
>whatever plot points stuck to DnD's tiny little brains and used for the show, in the books they will actually be competently developed
Anon, you're being delusional. The primary reason the fat frick CANNOT FINISH the series is that he's not able to fully develop/wrap up plot points. The last two books are a mess - they failed to resolve anything, they failed to move the plot forward even a millimeter, and to make matters even worse they introduced too many pointless new elements.
Imagine that the fat frick threw a pot of spaghetti against the wall - do you really think he has the desire or perseverance to pick it all up and make it into something clean and complete? He'll laugh, order pizza, and leave the mess for the maid to clean up.
Books 4 and 5 were already shit, I see no reason to be excited about this one. Nothing gets resolved, nothing meaningful happens, characters get introduced just so people can die
They need to do a reshoot where Maisie Williams shows of her breasts for real.
Nobody wants to see that
Motherfricker actually rewrote his ending. I bet.
Remember when GRRM caught whiff of people online saying he would die before finishing his books and got offended at the notion?
>sniff sniff sniff
>I'm smelling the internet... very strange smells...
>wait, sniff sniff sniff... is that the smell of people saying I will die before finishing my books
Much like Cersei he gets mad at people for saying things he knows are true.
>11 years to the day since DoD came out
I'm only really interested in the Young Griff storyline and the uprising against the Boltons.
This.
MANDERLY GANG
MANDERLY GANG
I thought his grand-daughters were fat slobs but apparently they're pretty qt. Even tumblrina Wylla Manderly.
apparently it's the theme of their house where men are fatsos but their women are pretty
I don't give a FRICK what he has to say about the farts of winter except if it's the release date.
More like the show ending bombed and martin gets to rewrite an ending for the books that at the very least justifies it if not completely changes it
do people jerk off to books?
Of course, what are you an npc?
His ending will never happen
He was instructed by his owners to release the book 56 days after his fake death
the book will coincide with Rick Brights Darkest Winter warning
So George definitely wanted to frick his mother or sister, right? There’s way too much incest in his books(not just asoiaf) for it not to be the result of an internal desire
It might have started off as an allegory to old nobility regularly fricking their cousins to keep their bloodlines pure but there ended up being way too many sisterfrickers to not be a fetish thing.
>there ended up being way too many sisterfrickers to not be a fetish thing.
This, Fire & Blood is too full of loving incestual relationships.
Don't forget his other fetish - they're mentioned a few times. Dark brown areola the size of hubcaps.
Probably but I can't fault his fetish, Theon groping Asha and her letting him despite the fact she knew he was her brother was hot.
Daenerys fricks Jon to death and ends up pregnant with his child.
I had fun theorizing how Stannis will win the battle and speculating over the preview chapters. Sure was fun to be niave 10 years ago.
2020-2021 was the only possible chance he was going to finish the books, and the news that he spent most of the latter half the time on spinoffs ended that anyway.
Between catching up on cons and travelling around for the new show, he's not going to be doing anymore writing this year.
I forgot who all the characters are and it isn't good enough for a reread.
Dropped.
>but...but..but..I'm a gardener!!! Its my process to re-write everything until it no longer looks like what I initially told double D because everyone hated it. This has re hyped you all up now right? Right??!? Its going to be so different from the show, but no too different from the show if you enjoyed the show. Its going to be released this year!!!!! Just hang on just a little bit longer megafans!!!!!!
KEK he rewrote the whole book?
How can he rewrite something that hasn't been written?
this fat frick gives zero fricks about finishing the books there will be no ending he just wants to eat
food and jump on his trampoline
Dorne is the coolest kingdom
Dorne would have been cool if we didn't visit them in Feast For Crows. Nothing about that plot was relevant, we already knew the Dornish were Targ sympathizers. The whole thing could have been hinted at in other storylines, then have a big reveal when Dany lands and the Dornish armies show up to help her.
>announces he's still not done(and won't be for a long time)
>"big" """update"""
thanks gorg
HBO were swearing up and down that the ending they did was what Martin had told them was going to happen in the book seeing how he was under contract I'm pretty sure they can sue if it turns out he outright lied to them. Not that it actually matters since the book is never getting written but still.
I don't know how many times it can be said that the ending is not the problem. It's the journey, not the destination.
And I don't know how many times I have to say crippled Bran and Sansa as rulers is a shit ending no matter how good the journey
Why did Feast and Dance get so much hate?
Because they're shit. AFFC at least had the great Jaime chapters but ADWD has frick all.
Dance is just so fricking meandering at a time when the plot really needs to be moving forward. Danny needed to get to Westeros, Winter need to arrive, and The Others needed to start being a threat. Its 1000 fricking pages and nothing happens.
>Its 1000 fricking pages and nothing happens.
>Robert Jordan blocks your path
b***h please, let me know when you have 4000 pages of nothing happening and your author dies before he can finish his work...
>b***h please, let me know when you have 4000 pages of nothing happening and your author dies before he can finish his work...
we'll get back to you in a few years or so, then
What went wrong after Storm of Swords?
Timeline issues. He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea), but even more wanted to write a ton of pointless filler from the period in between, so he cancelled the timeskip but never resolved the issues that led to it being needed.
>Timeline issues. He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea), but even more wanted to write a ton of pointless filler from the period in between, so he cancelled the timeskip but never resolved the issues that led to it being needed.
Is that what went wrong with the series?
>He wanted to do a timeskip (the right idea)
Why do gays always jump on the timeskip shit like its the holy grail that would have fixed the series? If he did the timeskip, he'd have to spend the entire fourth book revealing what the frick happened to all the characters during the eight year gap and explaining the new setting. It would have basically been a second first book, gurm picked the best of two bad options when he decided against the timeskip.
It was only a 5-year gap he had in mind, and it would have clear a lot of the clutter.
For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap and this would have been related to readers via Sam chapters. FAegon was also meant to land in Westeros during the timeskip and his eventual defeat would be told to readers in the form of a Cersei prologue, who was musing about the eventful last five years and smugly recalling how she defeated another Targaryen and she was now Robert's equal.
All those plots are now going to need to happen in Winds, and are going to dramatically slow down the narrative.
That sounds absolute garbage.
>For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap
bullshit lmao
>For example, Jon was supposed to defeat the Others in the five-year gap and this would have been related to readers via Sam chapters. FAegon was also meant to land in Westeros during the timeskip and his eventual defeat would be told to readers in the form of a Cersei prologue, who was musing about the eventful last five years and smugly recalling how she defeated another Targaryen and she was now Robert's equal.
You have to be a pretty sick and twisted bastard to come up with this shit
>Why do gays always jump on the timeskip shit like its the holy grail that would have fixed the series?
It would have just solved the problem of the kid characters having to get good before they help save the world from the ice apocalypse.
AFFC and ADWD were basically GRRM trying to patch over the timeskip and cover several years of meandering and training in a compressed timeline.
The time skip would have worked great for some characters (Arya, Brandon, Danaerys) but hard to square for others (Stannis). The solution would have been to write a "bridge" book that moved characters who weren't ready into position for a five-year gap. The series would probably already be wrapped up in that case. Losing the time skip and the new opportunities for GRRM the tv show brought killed the books. That, and GRRm's refusal to listen to outside help and increasing fascination with the world he created instead of the story set in it.
The lore isn't even particularly fascinating.
>not!Rome had dragons and defeated not!Carthage and salted their capital city
>not!Venice has a sprawling commercial empire, elects its not!Doge in a complicated election system, and is the center of a powerful bank (well this is actually Florence)
>not!Constantinople has several walls and is constantly being raided by not!Huns / not!Bulgars, and it carries the legacy of not!Rome
We get it GRRM, you read some history
ADWD literally doesn't have resolutions for half its plotlines, the first third of Winds will be progressing the ones that got chopped off to get the book out for the first season of the show.
Dance is great tho
lol
lmao even
Why did Dance take so long to release?
i dont read, and this aint television and film gtfo
>But he did offer a caveat to that tease: "I could change my mind again next week, with the next chapter I write. That's gardening."
people who read Georges books are cucks. the readers are the cucks and George is the bull. he masterbaits to the fans reactions after posting another update on his blog. uhhhh another delay thats the 45th setback in 10 years uggg god take it reader you fricking take it.
>will include some new deaths
hopefully his own before he finishes this garbage
Why is Season 4 considered the peak of the show?
Fallout from the Red Wedding. Peak Joffrey. Lots of kino scenes like "The Climb" monologue. Cool deaths despite not trying to upstage the Red Wedding.
First terrible scene and shitty plot of the series still occurred in S4 though.
>Lots of kino scenes like "The Climb" monologue
That happened in 3. 4 had the Tyrion trial and the battle of the wall too.
>Season 4 considered the peak
It's not. No one says that. It's just the last good season.
When did the decline of the series begin?
4
At least that's when I stopped watching and judging by all the shitposting I made the right choice.
season 5 is when it strayed from the books
>season 5 is when it strayed from the books
Why did they stray from the books?
for filler. They started condensing what was left from the books and getting through it as fast as they could. D&D only want to do up until the Red Wedding then can the series.
After RW they demanded to cut seasons, air less episode per season etc. Even with this, they'd condensed the story so much that they had to include fan fic self-contained story arcs to paid remaining airtime. This (~S4) was also when GRRM cut ties with them and has not mentioned them by name ever since.
D&D should have just passed on the series to somebody else and then they probably would have been able to get their Star Wars show and they wouldn't be considered a joke by the industry
>D&D only want to do up until the Red Wedding then can the series.
Why?
because le shock factor. I remember they constantly stated this in early interviews. Red Wedding was their sole intention for wanting to do the show, they obviously didn't plan beyond that when you see the show lose all focus and just turn into a clusterfrick after that.
Season 4 Episode 10
i'm going to laugh so hard when every dragon aside from Drogon will become pointless.
And Drogon is only a plot device for Danearys to burn down King's Landing then dies of chicken pox.
Remember when the show got to where the books are in the Meereen storyline?
And it now came to the show writers to write their way out of the proverbial "Meereenese knot", since the books trailed off there.
And then the show's solution was:
>uhhhh Dany rides her dragon and suddenly all problems go away?
>and the masters now respect her and they will stop slavery even when she leaves 🙂
>and Daario can be left in charge of the city since he's a scoundrel with a heart of gold 🙂
>Meereenese knot
quick run down?
Meereen has a dog's dick.
But also, it's the fan-name for GRRM struggling with how to unfrick his Meereen plotline, which has 5 POVs running concurrently (Barristan, Tyrion, Victarion, Danearys, Quentyn). He needs to find a solution for how Danearys can pretty much eradicate deeply-entrenched slavery in Slaver's Bay, defeat an alliance of Yunkish, Volantene, Ghis forces that are besieging Meereen... Meereen also has an underground guerrilla of former slavers that she needs to stamp out, she hasn't domesticated her dragons properly, etc. It's pretty much a nightmare and most likely Danearys will shrug, figure that she tried, and frick off to Westeros.
>OK so I've got Dany sitting in Meereen
>Why did I do that? How do I get her out?
>FUUUUCK
>It's going to be disappointing either way. The entire battle of Fire is a plot device for Danearys to acquire more ships and for Tyrion and Victarion to make themselves useful to her before they meet. But then Danearys will be like: "it's too hot here. let's go somewhere else gang"
Not meant to be a a greentext
>sitting
shitting*
Can George deliver the hype of WoW?
just make it Daenerys shitting for an entire book
Yes, mon.
Burning everyone that's against her and leaving an incompetent occupation that will keep a milder form of slavery seems like the solution most in line with irl history.
The ratings momentum was insane, especially considering the rate of piracy. Not a single person I know used streaming services to watch this.
I don't think that TV will ever be this fun again.
I also predict that there will now be a GoT spinoff running every year for the next few decade or 2 once house of the dragon starts. Similar to The Walking Dead
Will you watch his sequel?
No. I dun wanna it.
i dun wan it
Wammy
God he looks so fricking stupid
Tell me this is how you imagined Jon in the books
Tell me
No.
It will be full of Black folk and feminist drivel.
ayo we wuz wildin i mean we wuz wildlings n shiet
what could they even make a Jon Snow show about? He was the least interesting character and he'd be with no cast in a setting which is just snow. If they included any mysterious magic elements. it'd be retconning the source material
>pube + patchy beard combo
The kid's casting was really really bard
Adult Sansa, Arya and Bran. And Jon from the start
Maario Naharis
You're McQueen
Here is, off the top of my head, a list of plot points that need to be resolved in the books
>Jaimie, Bryenne, and Lady Stoneheart showdown
>The Valonqar
>Young Griff's fate/Vary's goals for him
>Stannis v. Bolton battle
>Jon's assassination
>What's happening at Hardhome
>What the White Walkers Want/where they came from
>Beating the White Walkers
>Euron's ultimate plan
>Dragonbinder
>Victarion reaching Mereen/what Moqorro wants with him
>Dany dealing with the Dothraki
>Dany returning to Mereen
>Dany going to Westeros
>Clegane Bowl (Could be averted, but I don't think we've seen the last of the Hound)
>The Faith Militant vs. Ceresei
>The Knight of Flowers being mortally wounded
>Illyrio's ultimate plan with Dany
>Littlefinger's ultimate plan/Sansa's role in it/getting the Vale involved in the war
>Dorne declaring for the Targs
>Arya becoming/escaping the Faceless Men
>Tyrion returning to Westeros (Maybe finding out where prostitutes go)
>What Happened to Valyria
>Who are the other two heads of the Dragon?
>Dany's Three Betrayals
>What's the deal with Quaithe the masked woman?
>Marwyn the Mage and the Faceless Man and the Maesters's scheme
>Davos going to get Rickon on Skaggos
>Sam becoming a Maester/Wizard
>What Happened to Valyria
This is explained not so subtly in the books.
The Faceless Men set off chain explosions in the Valyrian volcanoes and blew it all up.
Neat! It's been like ten years since I read them so I don't remember all the details. I do remember something implying there were like firewyrms in the slave mines of Valyria or something?
>I just followed the instructions