Could somoneone please explain this to me? How and why is Joker more profitable than Avengers?
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Box Office: Joker Becomes The Most Profitable Comic Book Movie Ever
Could somoneone please explain this to me? How and why is Joker more profitable than Avengers?
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Because it's a real movie and not just capeslop#98768.
>it's a real movie
It's capeslop masquerading as arthouse.
It's McDonalds arthouse with capeslop branding superficially slapped on.
And I mention McDonalds because you could just as well made this an edgy Ronald McDonald movie the way they made it a Batman related movie.
>food analogue
Specifically McDonalds, not just to try to use the term McDonalds Arthouse, but I also said that I thought of their clown mascot Ronald. I said you could have slapped Ronald or any clown in the role of Joker in this film. It was superficially a Batman film. It was like Phillips had a script (which was a shitty remake mashup of old Scorsese films) and stuck the brand on as an afterthought to get funding.
>It's like Taxi Driver, which means it's bad because it's not as good as Taxi Driver
This is always such a weird criticism to me. Do people like this think that once a good movie comes out, no movie is ever allowed to look at the same subject matter again? That's like reading Don Quixote and then complaining about every novel ever written afterwards for just being a DQ ripoff.
Yes, but is it just a lame retread on the subject? And why the frick did they use the Batman branding other than cheap shock value of an "adult" version and a cash grab using the supposed comic book movie craze.
>Yes, but is it just a lame retread on the subject?
No. The Joker touches far more upon media and the greater population while Taxi Driver is more individual and personal. Joker is also far more explicitly about mental health while Taxi Driver was made during a time while lobotomies were still being done, so it looks more at societal causes rather than mental causes. And especially it touches on being part of the media while Taxi Driver only talks about being influenced by it. Having the girlfriend be made up in Joker also gives that an entirely different meaning. In Taxi Driver, he gets upset because he can't connect with her and that lack of connection furthers his descent. In Joker, it's saying that people in society today aren't even making those connections in the first place. There's nothing there even to break.
>And why the frick did they use the Batman branding
To get the target audience to see it. If you're making an educational show teaching children about colors, you are more likely to attract that audience with a colorful cartoon dog mascot than Ben Stein, for instance. When you say, "They only used Batman to get people into the seats," you are correct, but that's not a point against it. And it does help the narrative. The scene where he finds out Wayne isn't his father is a very important turning point of realization that his mother was as insane as he is and he's not special. Making that the Waynes saves a lot of time because the audience already knows the Waynes. It saves time having to introduce some random rich family, and it imparts how special being a Wayne would be to Joker just through the name, but since it's not a real family, there's a chance that he really could be related. Like obviously if they used Bill Gates, you know Arthur's not Gates's son right away.
Good post, aiming for dubs so I can donate them to you
It’s a way for Redditors to cynically dismiss things they don’t like.
>it’s just X, but worse
The key to being one of these morons is to simplify and reduce as much as possible.
Money is the domain of wise men and diviners.
Huge gamers win.
They targeted gamers
Profitable here refers to net profit, which is different from gross profit. Tl;dr: gross = what money you make, net = what money you make minus the money you spent. Joker was a relatively cheap movie to make, so its net was very high. Multiple Avengers movies are in the highest grossing movies of all time list (not adjusted for inflation), but each one is very expensive to make.
Cheap movie makes lots of money > expensive movie that makes lots of money
Thank you for the explanation, Professor Self-Evident.
That's also why you should never trust anyone raving on about MUH REVENUE.
Joker barely grossed a billion. Endgame grossed 2.8 billion. Even if Joker was made for $0, that would mean Endgame would need a budget of nearly $1.8 billion to be less profitable.
those are box office earnings right? this probably refers to profits over all so i guess people really wanted that joker blue ray...
Article is from a month after Joker (2019) released, still during its theatrical run.
wierd,. then it doesnt make sense
And the studio gets less than half of box office earnings.
>less than half of box office earnings.
how?
Theaters get a cut and some contracts give box office earnings to the producers/actors.
do actors get cut of box office or gross profit?
Depends. Some get parts of ticket sales, some get part of the gross. Tom Cruise usually gets a piece of ticket sales, Robert Downey Jr got a piece of the gross.
ah ty. Then it makes sense why would studio get only half of a ticket
My favorite part of Cinemaphile is when a movie they don't like does well so they have to invent new math to say why it actually wasn't profitable.
It's not invented math, it's facts. No studio gets 100% of the box office, not even Disney. Marketing isn't included with the film budget but is part of film costs and Endgame had a massive marketing campaign. Robert Downey Jr. received 8% of the ticket sales.
>it's facts
You're literally just pulling numbers out of your ass.
https://www.cbr.com/robert-downey-jr-paid-mcu-films/#:~:text=Although%20Tony%20Stark%20couldn%27t,million%20for%20this%20film%20alone.
>Robert Downey Jr. received 8% of the ticket sales.
Holy frick
No it isn’t. It’s a talking point nerds bring up when they have these homosexual culture wars debates about whether a movie did well or not. Sure, it’s a fact that movie studios don’t get 100% of box office sales deposited into a bank account as profit, but unless you’re gonna do a serious analysis of all the bs Hollywood accounting.. it’s meaningless.
Factor in marketing, theater cut, and actors like RDJ and Chris Evans got a piece of the gross
It still doesn't add up to even half of 1.8 billion dollars. And Endgame sold a lot of blu rays and associated crap.
No, anon. You don't get to count blurays or merchandise as profit. You only get to add things to the costs/budget side of the equation.
Even so, the OPs article link is nonsense.
Joker isn't the most profitable movie by pure grosses vs costs, it's not even the most profitable by Ratio of box office to costs (that's probably something like Paranormal Activity).
Teh Joker is just a wildly successful movie that harnessed memetic advertisting.
all of you are fricking morons
the profitability is in terms of ROI
read the fricking article instead of acting like twitter trannies
it says most profitable COMIC BOOK movie
is everyone here illiterate
>read the fricking article
no
most profitable refers to this
but with percentages as a factor. yes avengers made more money, by a lot. but when looking at returns they're excited by a 900% return over a 2 or 300% return. They think that by repeating the formula over and over again they have an infinite money machine, not understanding the particular factors that went into each individual project.
Your math is all wrong.
>Joker
>Cost: 60mi
>Gross revenue: ~1bi
>Endgame
>Cost: 400mi
>Gross revenue:~3bi
>Joker profit: ~1600%
>Endgame profit: ~650%
For each dollar spent in making Joker they got 16 dollars back. For each dollar spend on Endgame they got 6.50 dollars back.
TL;DR: Joker didn't do as much Hollywood accounting as The Avengers and so looks more profitable.
Smaller budget
>made as much money as the cgislop explosion bing bing wahoo capeshit
>didn't have the cgislop explosion bing bing wahoo
It's really that simple.
Because it's a better movie
Gonna guess CGI cost
It had a much lower budget. Joker had a budget of 55 million vs Avengers budget of 220 million but they had a similar gross of a billion.
Joker is basically just a normal movie with DC slapped on it so normies actually like it as opposed to the formulaic slop the MCU is, but because they have no other frame of reference except super heroes punching eachother, Joker seems like a crazy amazing film
This. So many shows and movies I see now feel like an actual original script they wouldn't invest in and just shoehorn a popular IP into it.
Huge L for the society
Profit= Revenue - Cost
Think about that carefully
No.
The actual production cost of Dr Strange 2 was recently revealed. I bet those Avengers movies also had a high budget, they just don't reveal it.
It took the direction of a man who's broken by the reality of things that are and painted him to be joker. In it's essence it's not capeshit, do not be fooled though they pushed for more and I'm certain the musical sequel will flop hard.
>It took the direction of a man who's broken by the reality of things that are and painted him to be The Bat. In it's essence it's not capeshit
Sorry it's Capeshit.
It's all profit. Cost is just what they payed themselves.
The incel uprising is coming
remember when people thought this movie would spark mass shootings and shit?
I remember the knife fight in the Frozen 2 parking lot.
I still think most of that was astroturfing by Warner marketing
>I still think most of that was astroturfing by Warner marketing
I like WB shills because their Godzilla and capeshit script leaks all came true. Some almost 6-12 months in advance. At least their shills put out interesting stuff unlike the other marketing shills here who just train their AI by making rage bait posts and blatant astroturfing to set a narrative for the grifters.
It was all thanks to inclusivity by starring a mentally ill homosexual, an imaginary black girlfriend and not one but TWO black psychologists.
Truly an inclusion masterclass.
The avengers is gay.
Money laundering, probably. The money must be going to the war in the Middle-East.