Brad Pitt was bad as Achiles. He didn't even seem like a hero but rather some arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier. The director must have been a homo.
Brad Pitt was bad as Achiles.
Brad Pitt was bad as Achiles. He didn't even seem like a hero but rather some arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier. The director must have been a homo.
That's because Achilles in real life wasn't a hero and he didn't even care about legacy, he only participated in the sacking if Troy because his favorite cousin was killed.
>achilles in real life
The Iliad is nonfiction
Its fiction you moron
The cousin didn't die until he was already at Troy with all his soldiers, shit for brains
jesus frick
How does that negate what he said? Do you not know what "sacking" is?
>hero
That word doesn't mean the same thing now as it did then. The "heroes" of the bronze age were not better or more virtuous than normal people, they were simply greater in ability. Hence they always butt heads with authority, because they refuse to follow the rules and they know they are valuable enough to get away with it.
There is usually some supernatural attribution. Achilles' mother was prophesied to bear a son greater than his father (hence Zeus never touched her for fear of bearing a son who could overthrow him), and Helen's father is Zeus himself. The events of the war are then shaped by the vain and selfish actions of these two great individuals. This is what "hero" meant to an ancient Greek, not a good person.
>some arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier
So, like Achilles.
I remember reading a review where the guy said Brad looked like he was in a shampoo commercial and only had two facial expressions. I thought that was harsh, but yeah, 'Troy' is an ok movie. Eric Bana was great in it. And it made me really hate Orlando Bloom. It took 'Pirates Of The Carribean' and 'Legolas' to wash the bitter taste out of my mouth of how much i hated him in this movie. Brad was ok. He looks good, but he can't carry a movie to save his life, he's better as a wingman.
I thought Bloom was well cast in the movie. Paris is a lover, not a fighter: a preening pretty-boy who isn't mature enough to consider the consequences of his actions.
It was Kingdom of Heaven where Bloom was hopelessly miscast.
Not him, but the casting wasn't bad. Paris is just a hateable homosexual.
It's not about miscasting, I just really hated the cowardice of his character and it made me dislike the actor.
Yeah bro Brad Pitt was a badass Achilles.
That's exactly how Achilles was in the illiad.
Absolutely wrong
I like the story where Achille's mom didn't want him to fight so she had him dress up as a girl and live in some random king's court. When they went to get him, they couldn't tell which one was Achilles so they faked an attack and Achilles ran out to fight. Would've been an amazing scene.
What's the source for that story?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_on_Skyros
dang that shit is mad gay
Not as gay as the time Zeus turned into Artemis to bang Callisto. Callisto got pregnant, asked Artemis to take responsibility, and then Artemis turned Callisto into a bear. That's why all bears are gay.
damn if its on Wikipedia, then it must be true
Briseis was war booty, which to the ancient Greeks was symbolic of their overall fame and honor in battle. In real life armies in the era the Illiad was written in needed an incentive to go out and fight, I'll get to that in a minute, so in a way being deprived of booty (hehe) was like docking his paycheck despite being a powerful soldier. This is also why everyone is obsessed with grabbing each other's armor as soon as they kill someone, armor is expensive and also shows that you slew someone else and are epic badass dude. Agamemnon was depriving him of honor that he couldn't just trade for something else of equal value by going out and killing someone else. So he was at least partially justified in sitting out.
Achilles wasn't the only one who did something ridiculous to hide from the campaign, Odysseus faked being insane. In this period, when it was written not what it says to depict, leaders had to go around and gather a bunch of soldiers with promises of loot or rewards or glory for fighting. So you needed a really good reason to convince a bunch of men to leave their homes on a long ass campaign and many were reluctant to go. This plays into why Achilles was more justified than you think for sitting out after losing Briseis
One of my big problems with the Armand Asante Odyssey movie is that they depict Odysseus willingly going to Troy when the Achaean fleet comes to Ithaca instead of having him plowing sand and swerving to avoid Telemachus like in the famous story. Another example of a character being changed around to have their flaws expunged.
It's an obvious miscast. You don't see Brad Pitt as Achiles or a hero at all, just some good looking alpha bro.
The script and the acting was awful and it made me cringe many times watching the director's cut, the only good thing were the fighting scenes.
absolutely wrong take bradu pittu was the guy for this role and he sold it well
what did he sell? Some shampoo for a commercial because that's what it felt like? Brad couldn't act at all in all that movie, his acting was basic and superficial.
Perfect casting, really went all in for the role and carried the movie well. Troy is an excellent sword and sandals epic.
It's kino
>arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier. The director must have been a homo.
all of this is correct for achilles correct but hes missing a beard
When are we getting a sequel?
Odyssey woulda been kino
The frick are you talking about? He was absolutely perfect for the larger than life, arrogant hero the movie wrote him as. You may not like the interpretation of him but this has nothing to do with the actor. Brad was perfect for this.
Diane Kruger was beautiful as Helen but I think Sienna Guillory was better
>Achilles
>Hero
He wasn't a hero, even in Homer's interpretation. They were invaders, anon. Many readers left the story believing Hector and the Trojans were the good guys. Achilles was only a hero in the Greek Sense, in that he was a formidable, strong warrior that would fight off monsters terrorizing the people, if he was there to stop it.
jesus christ, dude. he is a classical hero. the strongest soldier of the greek army during the trojan war, a literal legendary warrior.
>invaders
Why do people forget that it all started when Paris stole the wife of someone from royalty and then robbed that royal family of their treasure? It wasn't as White-and-Black as people think.
>stole le wife
you realize that Helene willingly, of her own volition, left because she was madly in love with Paris? And that from a political standpoint, this was just an excuse for the invasion?
its ambiguous
No, it isn’t. She says straight out that she doesn’t like Menelaus and that even though all the Trojans hate her she still prefers living in Troy with her love.
>you realize that Helene willingly, of her own volition
Brah, that still makes Paris a homewrecker. If some married hoe tried to get with me and I knew she was married, I would tell her to frick off and stay with her husband. A married woman that's willing to leave her husband and abandon her marriage is an disloyal hoe that shouldn't be trusted.
They were heroes but they weren’t perfect and infallible beings. Agamemnon does to Achilles the exact thing which Paris did to his brother triggering the war. The overall theme of the Iliad is that in times of war and of strife, infighting will get in the way but cooperation must be obtained in order to achieve everyone’s goal and to win. This is barely even a moral statement on Homer’s part. More of a basic observation.
I feel like there is a disconnect with the modern term "hero", I mean the greatest greek hero was a family annihilator.
This movie sanitizes the hell out of Hector. In this, Hector shows remorse for killing Patroclus and also goes outside to duel Achilles when the latter challenges him. In the Iliad, Hector thinks about beheading Patroclus and taking his head as a trophy and also he is being chased after by Achilles and runs away from him instead of staying to fight. In fact, he runs underneath the walls hoping a soldier will drop a stone on Achilles’ head. Athena had to trick Hector into dueling Achilles.
The wooshing sound you are all hearing is a joke going over your head.
Pitt was obviously in great shape and looked the part, but you can tell he’s uncomfortable with roles where he’s basically there to be a pretty boy. His acting is far better in stuff where he gets to be a bit wacky or unhinged.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't this movie extremely homoerotic? I feel like it was filled with shirtless sweaty men scenes. I haven't seen it in decades though.
yeah, there was a lot of focus into Brad pitt's body, especially his buttcheeks, abs, etc.
Pretty frickin gay
Achilles was an arrogant pretty boy
You are a homo
You disgust me scum like you who search for SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY in fricking movies is no better than tolerantsy gays pushing their Black personloving agenda
Commiescum all of you
>arrogant pretty boy
just like Achilles.
Have you read the iliad?
not really, pretty boys are two dimensional basic b***hes while Achilles wasn't.
neither brad pitt nor tom cruise have ever been convincing "heroes". they're good at playing buttholes tho
Cruise>Pitt
>He didn't even seem like a hero but rather some arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier.
Have you ever read the Iliad?
I guess you didn't
Why didn't they include the scene where Achilles is sitting by himself on the beach crying because Agamemnon took his spoils of war?
his best film is still True Romance.
The best Achilles.
Raceswapped and genderswapped tokens aren't characters to begin with
>but rather some arrogant pretty boy dressed up like a soldier
that's every single Brad Pitt movie
Alcibiades kino when?
>For while Agis the king was away on his campaigns, Alcibiades corrupted Timaea his wife, so that she was with child by him and made no denial of it. When she had given birth to a male child, it was called Leotychides in public, but in private the name which the boy's mother whispered to her friends and attendants was Alcibiades. Such was the passion that possessed the woman. But he, in his mocking way, said he had not done this thing for a wanton insult, nor at the behest of mere pleasure, but in order that descendants of his might be kings of the Lacedaemonians. Such being the state of things, there were many to tell the tale to Agis, and he believed it, more especially owing to the lapse of time. There had been an earthquake, and he had run in terror out of his chamber and the arms of his wife, and then for ten months had had no further intercourse with her. And since Leotychides had been born at the end of this period, Agis declared that he was no child of his. For this reason Leotychides was afterwards refused the royal succession.
>Alcibiades
I haven't been able to take him seriously since I read he had a very thick lisp with those S sounds in his name.
Why did they cut the most famous and important Agamemnon stuff?
>before the Greeks leave the gods demand he sacrifice his daughter
Major motivating factor in him wanting to see the war through since he was forced to kill his daughter to do it
>dies in the war instead of the original story where he lives comes home and his cheating wife kills him
Ironic end denied a warriors death and drive of the famous Electra story.
Agamemnon dies in this? I remember him laughing while Troy burns. Menelaus is the one who is brutally murdered by Hector in this version.
During the sack, the slave girl stabs him in the neck.
Curse of the Atreides cinematic universe when?
>Electra (twice)
>Helen
>Agamemnon
>The Libation bearers
>The Furies
>Iphigenia among the Taurians
>Iphigenia in Aulis
>Orestes
And then there are other plays where they play a smaller role like Hecuba and Andromache and then of course The Iliad.
You pretty much already have it. Enjoy
>Sean Bean cast as the one and only dude who lives
Wildly miscast
>he hasn't seen Sharpe