Completely unrelated to romantic relationships and I don't ship them at all because I'm not a filthy homosexual BUT Maturin and Aubry are the perfect example of this and why it works so well if there are reasons beyond just contrariness to the interactions. >tfw graphic novel never
In real life it makes more sense for people to seek out someone similar but in fiction you need establishing differences between them to have actual chemistry. Conflicting personalities highlighting or balancing out what makes one another unique generally makes for a more interesting read.
Because can't have masculine characters or too aggressive males. They exist to simp for girls or be submissive cuck best friends.
People here will tell you it’s cause of left leaning people against toxic masculinity or some shit when in reality the relatable shy tiny weak nerd who gets b***hes for you to self insert as trope was popularized by anime and Spider-Man is the reason
I thought it was more because nerds run hollywood and creative spaces so they try to make all guys as pathetic as them or idiots/dicks. So as you said they can look chad as the harem mc/guy that everyone wants.
Women only date stoics/psychopaths in real life or they'll accuse you of trauma dumping, emotional manipulation, and whatever pop psychology doctors sell them. But I guess you aren't wrong, having men show Shakespearean open emotions are better for fiction.
But that's exactly why it's so good to mix them with outgoing tomboys. The stoic is chill and hard to read, but the outgoing tomboy is able to clearly tell what he's thinking and feeling, expressing those thoughts and actions while still keeping the stoic as the cool, levelheaded character the story needs him to be.
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hello creator tbh
i very much want to continue but life and other obligations getting in the way
i will hopefully have chapter 2 made this year and will dedicate more time to working on it
>The bully girl isn't targeting the guy
Oh thank God.
To the author, well done.
She should absolutely continue beating him up or it won't work
No, frick no, the dynamic fails whenever the girl beating up the guy as a show of passion is central to the relationship. Stuff like Nagatoro is
dogshit beyond being pornographic content because it's unrealisitc, it works far better if the two of them are slightly uneasy allies instead.
>sitting next to them despite all the available seats elsewhere >does his own self insert manga >spills his self insert in view of someone he was creeping on >literally cries himself unconscious within moments
He deserved it and worse. "Senpai" is among the worst recent protagonists.
3 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair "Senpai" gets much better, and the point was he was a total loser that refused to change. So you're meant to feel bad for him but also understand his failings are of his own making similar to nagatoro.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How long does it take for him to get better? The first few chapters were unbearable.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Never. That's the formula. Now go read all of Naruto if you want to keep reading Nagatoro.
Did this actually get updated? I assumed it was dropped.
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They're from Hartburn by PenpalP
hello creator tbh
i very much want to continue but life and other obligations getting in the way
i will hopefully have chapter 2 made this year and will dedicate more time to working on it
ohh, yes
in terms of romance i think toradora and eureka seven are my favorites. i like the kind where two characters grow closer over time and learn to depend on each other in a sort of soulmates type way, and those two do that very well
Something something wish fulfilment
infinity train season 2 as well even tho they "technically" dont get together
3 months ago
Anonymous
>toradora
The party line on Cinemaphile is that you're not allowed to like Ryuji and Taiga as a couple. You're supposed to be pissed that they got together and wish that Ami or Minori got with Ryuji.
3 months ago
Anonymous
sorry bro, ryuji and taiga are soulmates and anyone who says otherwise are self insert gays
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you risking the lives of your friends and family like this? You know what Cinemaphile does to people who go against the hivemind.
just read the entire pilot after seeing this thread, it's good. your pacing is good, your character writing is good. and what's great about that is it makes the overdone cliche plot not feel boring because you quickly get invested in both the protags. i assume you've written stories before?
ahh thank you for the kind words
somewhat, at least a few short stories back in high school, but this is my first real attempt at a comic
3 months ago
Anonymous
Did you make some comics about 3 brothers a while back? Your art seems kind of similar.
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh, im surprised you remember that.
yeah, but i didnt like it very much so i stopped making it. if i ever revisit it, it will probably be a complete rewrite. Im not very good at writing gag humor i dont think
3 months ago
Anonymous
how do you write romance? in general, what's your writing process like?
3 months ago
Anonymous
idk if i really have a "process"
Im more of just winging it based off of what i personally want to see in a romance. Which generally is, two distinct characters, with their own personalities, growing closer together over time through hardships or some kind of mutual interest, to the point where they have this bond that the reader genuinely cares about. Kind of pure love that goes beyond surface level sexual attraction, which i feel too many modern romance stories lean way too much into
Yeah no worries, it was interesting but I'm much more invested in whats going to happen in Heartburn. I hope we get to learn more about Hueys life and past.
yes i definitely have plans whenever i can get to that :,)
this is going to be a rare Cinemaphile moment because i'm feeling super genuine and i see a talent that doesn't need to be trolled out of creative work -- you possess a knack for this. you seem to understand the elements of what make a comic interesting in a short span so i think you'll go far if you keep creating. even if you don't decide to continue this comic, keep making comics. i expect great things from you in the future.
ahh thank you, if i cant finish this comic, tho i will definitely try to. I do have other plans to write a novel or maybe a visual novel, i feel its also a very interesting medium for storytelling that could have an easier workflow than a comic does
3 months ago
Anonymous
gimme chapter 2 NOW
3 months ago
Anonymous
godspeed. i wish to see your talent nurtured and for you to seize your maximum potential
3 months ago
Anonymous
I would like to read a novel about it. Maybe with illustrations, like in Japanese light novels?
3 months ago
Anonymous
building a fanbase would definitely help, you're doing great with this comic so far
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think a small RPG maker game with Belz and Cassius shenannigans could be nice, as long as it doesn't interfere with the production of Heartburn.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah no worries, it was interesting but I'm much more invested in whats going to happen in Heartburn. I hope we get to learn more about Hueys life and past.
3 months ago
Anonymous
this is going to be a rare Cinemaphile moment because i'm feeling super genuine and i see a talent that doesn't need to be trolled out of creative work -- you possess a knack for this. you seem to understand the elements of what make a comic interesting in a short span so i think you'll go far if you keep creating. even if you don't decide to continue this comic, keep making comics. i expect great things from you in the future.
To be fair it isn't as wish fulfillment as you might think. They do a good job of avoiding the usual pitfalls, the only reason it's like this is because they're both kids so stuff like this can happen, and she isn't bullying him, so it isn't generic, the whole school is just aggressive like in St. Denis.
they actually have a bunch of Costcos there. Actually was a funny trend where Koreans had no idea what a toppings bar was so just went HAM on taking a bunch of onions and ketchup/ mustard making a weird semi pickle with it. Apparently something to do with the cultural expectation of having some sort acidic vegetable at every meal.
the website is originally geared towards that but a lot of westerners use it as well. I personally don't like it because infinite scroll fricking sucks and it's hard to share pages on image boards.
I'll admit that there is an air of eroticism, especially from Belz's point of view. But I would still say that the majority of the interaction that rhey have with each other is non sexual.
I love couples where they have opposite personalities. It’s just fun to read.
You fantasise about scenarios where women who are clearly outwardly uninterested in or even hostile towards you can actually be won over.
Also this.
I like when the girl is larger than the guy
Mah man
Completely unrelated to romantic relationships and I don't ship them at all because I'm not a filthy homosexual BUT Maturin and Aubry are the perfect example of this and why it works so well if there are reasons beyond just contrariness to the interactions.
>tfw graphic novel never
In real life it makes more sense for people to seek out someone similar but in fiction you need establishing differences between them to have actual chemistry. Conflicting personalities highlighting or balancing out what makes one another unique generally makes for a more interesting read.
>tall buff stoic man x slim outgoing tomboy
why is this dynamic so rare?
because its boring
and op dynamic isn't?
Because boys are all twinks and manlets now in media. You should ask why are stoic/rough/tough male mcs so rare.
ok, why?
Jews probably idk
interesting
Because can't have masculine characters or too aggressive males. They exist to simp for girls or be submissive cuck best friends.
People here will tell you it’s cause of left leaning people against toxic masculinity or some shit when in reality the relatable shy tiny weak nerd who gets b***hes for you to self insert as trope was popularized by anime and Spider-Man is the reason
I thought it was more because nerds run hollywood and creative spaces so they try to make all guys as pathetic as them or idiots/dicks. So as you said they can look chad as the harem mc/guy that everyone wants.
stoics are boring people by nature. nobody wants to be around someone who suppresses all emotion.
>suppresses emotions
Women only date stoics/psychopaths in real life or they'll accuse you of trauma dumping, emotional manipulation, and whatever pop psychology doctors sell them. But I guess you aren't wrong, having men show Shakespearean open emotions are better for fiction.
But that's exactly why it's so good to mix them with outgoing tomboys. The stoic is chill and hard to read, but the outgoing tomboy is able to clearly tell what he's thinking and feeling, expressing those thoughts and actions while still keeping the stoic as the cool, levelheaded character the story needs him to be.
Isn't that kinda Guts and Casca? Back in the golden age at least.
she was a curmudgeon
Casca is NOT a tomboy
I'm gonna need a few more examples of this type of dynamic to judge.
Who are they?
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/heartburn/list?title_no=744233
Great job, I love it
>The bully girl isn't targeting the guy
Oh thank God.
To the author, well done.
No, frick no, the dynamic fails whenever the girl beating up the guy as a show of passion is central to the relationship. Stuff like Nagatoro is
dogshit beyond being pornographic content because it's unrealisitc, it works far better if the two of them are slightly uneasy allies instead.
This. Please don't make another Nagatoro.
>Please don't make another Nagatoro.
Rereading the first chapter of Nagatoro just felt depressing to read. Some random guy gets bullied to the point of tears by a group of girls.
But it's okay because Paisen can turn around and strangle them to death anytime he wants.
no he's a total wimp even if he tried
He couldn't even try bro like 2 out of them are martial artist one being comparable to a olympic judo girl they'd have broken him
It might have felt depressing if the whole thing wasn't so moronic
then don't read the og visual novel/artist cg
>sitting next to them despite all the available seats elsewhere
>does his own self insert manga
>spills his self insert in view of someone he was creeping on
>literally cries himself unconscious within moments
He deserved it and worse. "Senpai" is among the worst recent protagonists.
To be fair "Senpai" gets much better, and the point was he was a total loser that refused to change. So you're meant to feel bad for him but also understand his failings are of his own making similar to nagatoro.
How long does it take for him to get better? The first few chapters were unbearable.
Never. That's the formula. Now go read all of Naruto if you want to keep reading Nagatoro.
very solid
Did this actually get updated? I assumed it was dropped.
They're from Hartburn by PenpalP
The guy says he's been trying to get back to it, real life stuff got in the way. Hell if I know if its actually going to happen though.
hello creator tbh
i very much want to continue but life and other obligations getting in the way
i will hopefully have chapter 2 made this year and will dedicate more time to working on it
If that is true, make them have implied sex.
Please don't
Hey creator, could you share with us what your favorite shows and romances are?
ohh, yes
in terms of romance i think toradora and eureka seven are my favorites. i like the kind where two characters grow closer over time and learn to depend on each other in a sort of soulmates type way, and those two do that very well
infinity train season 2 as well even tho they "technically" dont get together
>toradora
The party line on Cinemaphile is that you're not allowed to like Ryuji and Taiga as a couple. You're supposed to be pissed that they got together and wish that Ami or Minori got with Ryuji.
sorry bro, ryuji and taiga are soulmates and anyone who says otherwise are self insert gays
Why are you risking the lives of your friends and family like this? You know what Cinemaphile does to people who go against the hivemind.
just read the entire pilot after seeing this thread, it's good. your pacing is good, your character writing is good. and what's great about that is it makes the overdone cliche plot not feel boring because you quickly get invested in both the protags. i assume you've written stories before?
ahh thank you for the kind words
somewhat, at least a few short stories back in high school, but this is my first real attempt at a comic
Did you make some comics about 3 brothers a while back? Your art seems kind of similar.
oh, im surprised you remember that.
yeah, but i didnt like it very much so i stopped making it. if i ever revisit it, it will probably be a complete rewrite. Im not very good at writing gag humor i dont think
how do you write romance? in general, what's your writing process like?
idk if i really have a "process"
Im more of just winging it based off of what i personally want to see in a romance. Which generally is, two distinct characters, with their own personalities, growing closer together over time through hardships or some kind of mutual interest, to the point where they have this bond that the reader genuinely cares about. Kind of pure love that goes beyond surface level sexual attraction, which i feel too many modern romance stories lean way too much into
yes i definitely have plans whenever i can get to that :,)
ahh thank you, if i cant finish this comic, tho i will definitely try to. I do have other plans to write a novel or maybe a visual novel, i feel its also a very interesting medium for storytelling that could have an easier workflow than a comic does
gimme chapter 2 NOW
godspeed. i wish to see your talent nurtured and for you to seize your maximum potential
I would like to read a novel about it. Maybe with illustrations, like in Japanese light novels?
building a fanbase would definitely help, you're doing great with this comic so far
I think a small RPG maker game with Belz and Cassius shenannigans could be nice, as long as it doesn't interfere with the production of Heartburn.
Yeah no worries, it was interesting but I'm much more invested in whats going to happen in Heartburn. I hope we get to learn more about Hueys life and past.
this is going to be a rare Cinemaphile moment because i'm feeling super genuine and i see a talent that doesn't need to be trolled out of creative work -- you possess a knack for this. you seem to understand the elements of what make a comic interesting in a short span so i think you'll go far if you keep creating. even if you don't decide to continue this comic, keep making comics. i expect great things from you in the future.
I like it, I think it’s neat. Keep it up mister pal
Yeesh.
>the boy is the shorter one
based. I love dynamics like these, but they feel so rare.
>short boy with tall girl
wish fulfillment
To be fair it isn't as wish fulfillment as you might think. They do a good job of avoiding the usual pitfalls, the only reason it's like this is because they're both kids so stuff like this can happen, and she isn't bullying him, so it isn't generic, the whole school is just aggressive like in St. Denis.
>she isn't bullying him
that's the unrealistic part
>That's the unrealistic part
t. Never been bullied by women before.
Did you even read the comic?
it happens but I hate it won't happen to me.
Comic?
Artist?
Source for these characters?
Something something wish fulfilment
>literal tough bully girl
another reason why they are so perfect
little preview for u guys 🙂
Cute
Can't wait
Make the eyebrows THICKER
By the way what do you draw with?
ipad with procreate usually
also CSP with a cintiq
She should absolutely continue beating him up or it won't work
So would they be Good parents?
Because you are a beta male
Is the creator American or Korean?
Do you think Korea has any cost-co stores?
they actually have a bunch of Costcos there. Actually was a funny trend where Koreans had no idea what a toppings bar was so just went HAM on taking a bunch of onions and ketchup/ mustard making a weird semi pickle with it. Apparently something to do with the cultural expectation of having some sort acidic vegetable at every meal.
My favorite dynamic is when a big hulking guy or monster befriends a little kid.
w-why is that, anon?
I just think it's funny seeing a big intimidating figure having a soft spot.
Has the author played Deltarune?
Art is nice but the dialogue is not very good, it reads like a translated manga
Aren't all webtoons made by Koreans?
the website is originally geared towards that but a lot of westerners use it as well. I personally don't like it because infinite scroll fricking sucks and it's hard to share pages on image boards.
where's this from, nerd?
Scroll up.
they feel like Scott and Kim
https://files.catbox.moe/t6kh1n.png
Based department, appreciate the detail on the penis.
>good sized dick on cute boy but not too big
If only all porn artists knew such a delicate balance, that's a lucky gal with impeccable taste
Damn, has no idea the artist was this based
https://files.catbox.moe/lte1tc.jpeg
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no wonder the kid gets into stuff over his head, he's got the meat to match.
Platonic nudism is such an underappreciated genre. As much as I like these two, I hope he makes more male female art with different characters.
i mean, there are definitely erotic undertones here
I'll admit that there is an air of eroticism, especially from Belz's point of view. But I would still say that the majority of the interaction that rhey have with each other is non sexual.
https://files.catbox.moe/23uamf.jpeg
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Demon Tomboy has some competition. /ss/ is on the menu.
https://files.catbox.moe/5gp0ob.jpg
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And here is a bunch of fan art of Nylonics characters