russia invading ukraine actually >russia thinks they will be welcome as liberators and ukrainians will throw down their weapons immediately >end up losing tens of thousands of men and takes you months to take a city from a thousand people
They lost much more soldiers in Battle of Cannae alone and recovered easily. Why would they care about just three legions 200 after Cannae when they were in their prime?
holy fricking historylet, comparing the military situation of rome in the third century BC when it could throw countless citizens to it plus it was actually getting invaded to the first century AD
>Rome was in much better situation after Cannae and losing much of its manpower, than in times of Augustus at its prime >calls someone else a historylet
Why do frogposters always have such low IQ?
you are literally dunning-kruger: the poster, it's that fricking hilarious, as expected of romecels, guarantee of hilarious midwit historical nonsense
do I have to remind you the fricking basics? namely the extension of Rome in ~250BC vs its extension in 9AD?
do I have to remind you that third century BC Roman army was NOT professional and was based on levy?
fricking hell, read Tacitus
>dunning-kruger schizo tries to make an argument
lmao
And a garbage argument at that. >do I have to remind you that third century BC Roman army was NOT professional and was based on levy?
Do I have to remind you that it meant frick all if they could recruit people from all Mediterranean world to rebuild their army? Do I have to remind you how much more money Rome had in times of Augustus? >le extension of Rome
Most of borders were secure in early 1st century AD and they could focus on places like Germania, Britain or Dacia if they wanted (and spoiler: which they did). >fricking hell, read Tacitus
fricking hell, reading random bits of wiki articles doesn't make you any less moronic, dunning-kruger schizoid
They didn't recover that easily but you're right it wasn't until Arausio that they ditched the citizen-soldier model for the plebe-with-a-sword Gaius Marius way, so they moved on. Teutoburg wasn't that big of a deal, if germs want to brag about bringing western civilization back 500 years they should be talking about Adrianopole or Martin Luther
Although germanics or rather all "barbarians" at this time was behind in many technological aspects. but would have solid legal and spiritual advancements. Medieval world is latin organization and germanic law.
>Medieval world is latin organization and germanic law.
Latin organisation? How was feudalism a Latin model of statecrafting? As for germanic law, that's just bullcrap. The most important law common in Europe was French (Salic law), the most prominent law schools were Italian and French, English common law is the evolution of Angevin system etc. Not much German additions. Even their urban laws were just improvements of those from Low Countries
>How was feudalism a Latin model of statecrafting?
Not him but feudalism is basically Diocletian's idea of society, they even used some of the titles diocletian invented and some of them made it to our days, iudex (judge), dux (duke), comes (count) and so on. Tetrarchy could have worked if he didn't frick it up by choosing the biggest morons in the empire to rule with him btw
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Anonymous
>feudalism is basically Diocletian's idea of society
No? The titles are the only similiarity. Diocletian's system was still a civilian administration with strong centralised rule of (2x2) emperors, which had supported a standing army. Meanwhile feudalism is a completely decentralised, militaristic society where army and administration are the same thing. Compare Byzantium (which used evolved Diocletian system) to HRE (peak feudalism), it's two different worlds
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Compare Byzantium (which used evolved Diocletian system) to HRE (peak feudalism),
Both are evolutions of Diocletians + Constantine reforms. Diocletian started the decentralization and atomization of administration by splitting the roman provinces into tiny pieces each one controlled by a vicar and a dux, under the loose supervision and formal rule of an augustus or a caesar, who basically controlled "comitatenses" or elite, mobile troops. They established they payment of taxes in kind, the farmers being fixed to the land and jobs being basically hereditary, all of them staples of feudalism. Feudalism is just Diocletian's world but without a strong Diocletian to reign the duces in
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Feudalism is just Diocletian's world but without a strong Diocletian to reign the duces in
So Charlemagne's Francia was literally Diocletian's Rome because Charles was a strong ruler? It takes more than dividing administration in smaller provinces and calling your governors "dukes" to make feudalism. Vague similarities are not going to change the whole structure of society being different, less meritocratic and much more decentralised.
its not what they lost numerically in that ambush. its what they found upon returning with force months later. their own soldiers sacrificed in most foul rituals. bodies mutilated to unspekble degrees. parts of flesh joined together to form hideous abominations. Livy speaks of this extensively. they wanted so bad to cross the river and exact revenge but they got existentially terrified of the entities who could commit such crimes against existence itself. rome would never get this deep into germania
This is a ridiculously shit explanation. The Romans were just as brutal as any peers. The Persians, Gauls, Spanish tribes, all of them committed these sorts of atrocities.
>rome would never get this deep into germania >except those few times when they did and won easily >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus#Commander_of_Germania
They did get as deep as they wanted into Germania, militarily speaking they could have made it to the Pacific Ocean but there was no reason to annex Germania just like the US has no reason to annex Angola right now
Order, aesthetics, individual prowess leading to all time glory. Rome fending off the barbarians is the closest real life has been to the simplistic Hollywood "good guys vs bad guys" shit.
>uh, I think we're lost 🙁
Aw sweet, a reddit meme history thread!
Germanoid life is it's own punishment
>tfw Varus will not return your legions
when the germ blood is so strong you betray the society you're a part of for the sake of some mongoloids in the forest
imagine being such a fricking cuck that you thhk betraying your oppressor is a moral fault
Liberator more like
muh noble savages
And then he got betrayed by some germ chimpers a short while later
>VAREEEEEEE WHERE ARE MY EAGLEEEES AAAAAAAAAAAAAA GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIOOOOOOOOOOONS
Germanicus got the eagles back it's all good bro
I think Sharpe got one too.
how many did my man jean b get
And whatever you do, Belisarius, do NOT frick my wife
>gets stabbed to death by his german ''brothers''
What’s the modern day equivalent of Tut Forest?
Afghanistan and previously Vietnam
dien bien phu
russia invading ukraine actually
>russia thinks they will be welcome as liberators and ukrainians will throw down their weapons immediately
>end up losing tens of thousands of men and takes you months to take a city from a thousand people
Is this what you think is going on?
Are you enjoying the show?
Yeah but I know that Russia wanted a quick win but will settle for decade long war since they believe this is about survival
Making no progress in 2 months is sure all about survival
Makes no difference
'nam
>they were in the TREES, man!
>Friendly reminder that Romans didn't give a shit about losing two legions
moronation. It was three legions btw.
>Romans didn't give a shit about losing two legions
holy romecel cope
They lost much more soldiers in Battle of Cannae alone and recovered easily. Why would they care about just three legions 200 after Cannae when they were in their prime?
Because they had just went through decades of deadly civil war, and it was a humiliating defeat against barbarians
holy fricking historylet, comparing the military situation of rome in the third century BC when it could throw countless citizens to it plus it was actually getting invaded to the first century AD
>Rome was in much better situation after Cannae and losing much of its manpower, than in times of Augustus at its prime
>calls someone else a historylet
Why do frogposters always have such low IQ?
you are literally dunning-kruger: the poster, it's that fricking hilarious, as expected of romecels, guarantee of hilarious midwit historical nonsense
do I have to remind you the fricking basics? namely the extension of Rome in ~250BC vs its extension in 9AD?
do I have to remind you that third century BC Roman army was NOT professional and was based on levy?
fricking hell, read Tacitus
Sorry dude but you are deluded and probably American
>dunning-kruger schizo tries to make an argument
lmao
And a garbage argument at that.
>do I have to remind you that third century BC Roman army was NOT professional and was based on levy?
Do I have to remind you that it meant frick all if they could recruit people from all Mediterranean world to rebuild their army? Do I have to remind you how much more money Rome had in times of Augustus?
>le extension of Rome
Most of borders were secure in early 1st century AD and they could focus on places like Germania, Britain or Dacia if they wanted (and spoiler: which they did).
>fricking hell, read Tacitus
fricking hell, reading random bits of wiki articles doesn't make you any less moronic, dunning-kruger schizoid
They didn't recover easily, it was a massive shock and more conscription led to a multitude of problems in Roman society.
They didn't recover that easily but you're right it wasn't until Arausio that they ditched the citizen-soldier model for the plebe-with-a-sword Gaius Marius way, so they moved on. Teutoburg wasn't that big of a deal, if germs want to brag about bringing western civilization back 500 years they should be talking about Adrianopole or Martin Luther
Although germanics or rather all "barbarians" at this time was behind in many technological aspects. but would have solid legal and spiritual advancements. Medieval world is latin organization and germanic law.
So bringing the world back muh 500 years is BS
>Medieval world is latin organization and germanic law.
Latin organisation? How was feudalism a Latin model of statecrafting? As for germanic law, that's just bullcrap. The most important law common in Europe was French (Salic law), the most prominent law schools were Italian and French, English common law is the evolution of Angevin system etc. Not much German additions. Even their urban laws were just improvements of those from Low Countries
>How was feudalism a Latin model of statecrafting?
Not him but feudalism is basically Diocletian's idea of society, they even used some of the titles diocletian invented and some of them made it to our days, iudex (judge), dux (duke), comes (count) and so on. Tetrarchy could have worked if he didn't frick it up by choosing the biggest morons in the empire to rule with him btw
>feudalism is basically Diocletian's idea of society
No? The titles are the only similiarity. Diocletian's system was still a civilian administration with strong centralised rule of (2x2) emperors, which had supported a standing army. Meanwhile feudalism is a completely decentralised, militaristic society where army and administration are the same thing. Compare Byzantium (which used evolved Diocletian system) to HRE (peak feudalism), it's two different worlds
>Compare Byzantium (which used evolved Diocletian system) to HRE (peak feudalism),
Both are evolutions of Diocletians + Constantine reforms. Diocletian started the decentralization and atomization of administration by splitting the roman provinces into tiny pieces each one controlled by a vicar and a dux, under the loose supervision and formal rule of an augustus or a caesar, who basically controlled "comitatenses" or elite, mobile troops. They established they payment of taxes in kind, the farmers being fixed to the land and jobs being basically hereditary, all of them staples of feudalism. Feudalism is just Diocletian's world but without a strong Diocletian to reign the duces in
>Feudalism is just Diocletian's world but without a strong Diocletian to reign the duces in
So Charlemagne's Francia was literally Diocletian's Rome because Charles was a strong ruler? It takes more than dividing administration in smaller provinces and calling your governors "dukes" to make feudalism. Vague similarities are not going to change the whole structure of society being different, less meritocratic and much more decentralised.
Ahhhh if it isn't my favourite public announcer, Copius maximus
True and based.
They did it to Dacia and the masaeslyi why not the ingvaeones
its not what they lost numerically in that ambush. its what they found upon returning with force months later. their own soldiers sacrificed in most foul rituals. bodies mutilated to unspekble degrees. parts of flesh joined together to form hideous abominations. Livy speaks of this extensively. they wanted so bad to cross the river and exact revenge but they got existentially terrified of the entities who could commit such crimes against existence itself. rome would never get this deep into germania
This is a ridiculously shit explanation. The Romans were just as brutal as any peers. The Persians, Gauls, Spanish tribes, all of them committed these sorts of atrocities.
>rome would never get this deep into germania
>except those few times when they did and won easily
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus#Commander_of_Germania
They did get as deep as they wanted into Germania, militarily speaking they could have made it to the Pacific Ocean but there was no reason to annex Germania just like the US has no reason to annex Angola right now
>rome was conquered by the inhabitants of a poor, empty forest
How embarrassing
>imagine if darth vader and genkis khan were a gay couple who had a baby and the surrogate was helen of troy...thats Armenius of the Cherusci
Kek nailed it. Carlin is a blast to listen to on long car rides but his comparisons to pop culture always bust me up laughing
>Sorry dude but you are deluded and probably American
That doesn't really help you does it
>Sorry dude but you are deluded and probably American
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>That doesn't really help you does it
>though
>/qa/ lost, take your meds
So what part about Rome attracts autists so much?
Interesting
Order, aesthetics, individual prowess leading to all time glory. Rome fending off the barbarians is the closest real life has been to the simplistic Hollywood "good guys vs bad guys" shit.
Although its the barbarians who focus on individual prowess with their warrior societies.
autists love order. rome represents order.
most successful empire in history, europes patrimony
I miss this little homie like you wouldn't believe.