>budget: $200 million
>box office: $144 million
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>budget: $200 million. >box office: $144 million
>budget: $200 million
>box office: $144 million
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They pulled it when people realized it sucked.
I swear Trolls 3 has been in theaters for longer.
Yep Trollz did better, but Wish it opening i'm some new markets in the 4, don't knows if this Will help, but it strange yo have so many different releases
>but Wish it opening i'm some new markets in the 4, don't knows if this Will help, but it strange yo have so many different releases
It looks boring.
It was boring. Plain and simple
Corporate moronation. All mainstream feature animation studios make movies for the widest possible audience and thus appeal to nobody.
I've realized the biggest problem isn't the corpos, its artists.
Corpos just wanna make money. Artists are mindnumblingly obsessed with moronic shit for the last 20 years.
So the corpos just make what the artists create.
Boring premise. Tone that we're tired of. Bland marketing. Disney adults not really types to go out and see movies like these while kids are split between less challenging more fun forms of entertainment.
What's that based on? Deleted scenes and working concepts before corpos and execs get involved shows you that artists always get reigned in to make something more bland with mass appeal.
I'm seriously interested in what gave you that idea when even marketing sound bites from creatives are made with execs in mind; they aren't going to say the amount of exec meddling they had to put up with, they want to make you think what you're seeing has nothing to do with marketing or execs. They would never tell you Disney is a profit motive company. That wouldn't tell you the opposite because that could hurt profit.
NTA, but do you think it was the execs that decided to scrap the idea of making the king and queen an evil power couple?
women can't do no wrong shitlord
Except Cruella, Ursula, The Queen of Hearts, Maleficent, Zira, Mother Gothel, Lady Tremaine, Yzma....
it's 2023 grandpa
Fine.
Baroness Von Hellman, Virana, Ursula (again).
Virana didn't get properly punished (along with her traitorous c**t of a daughter) at the end
>Virana
She wasn't even the villain in that movie and was completely forgiven at the end.
And the sheer irony of using a character from a movie specifically designed to make Cruella De Vill not an evil person of all things
>And the sheer irony of using a character from a movie specifically designed to make Cruella De Vill not an evil person of all things
Not really. It's a "pick your poison" thing if you want to excuse Cruella or not, since there's either one or two evil women in those two movies.
Some of those were retconed
Cruella and Maleficent were te only two, and the former still wanted to skin puppies.
Queen of Hearts got literally retconned into being a nice person because Alice went back in time and stopped the one thing the white queen did that was ever so mildly shitty which totally justified her constant executions and war.
When was this? Only Disney adaptations beyond the first movie I saw were the Tim Burton sequel and Kingdom Hearts's depictions where her evil more or less was one of the driving forces that turned Xehanort to embrace darkness.
Sequel to the Tim Burton movie
As others have said, it's funny that you're slowly being proven wrong as those are all made anti-heroes.
It wasn't execs who came up with it, so what am I supposed to believe here and why?
It sucked and it was too expensive to make. Movie budgets are getting over inflated to the poitn where even if a movie was good it would still flop.
Even if this cost 76 million(same cost as Minions 2) it still would’ve flopped.
Ruby Gillman cost fricking nothing and it flopped
Simple. They took this from us:
https://youtu.be/GoCRrj9Lq3U?si=6JoiYCBohytYeWmG
hot take
the song should have been about Magnifico and Amaya, him singing about his kingdom, her about protecting him from himself .
Too kino for Disney
>The film's animation was originally intended to be fully traditional, but it was later decided to be blended with computer-animation when 2D alone was considered, in the filmmakers' opinion, as having too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
That happened
By "too many limitations" they mean that a traditionally animated 2D film needs to be properly thought out and "the story doesn't start telling you what it wants to be in the last 8 months" way of filmmaking doesn't work
Damn Jennifer Lee is huffing some white-out.
Stupid asses, instead of handpainting textures to make it look 2D they just put it through an ugly filter. Disgusting.
This. And honestly this kind of storytelling is flat out killing cinema. Lazy asspull stories aren’t fun to watch, simple as.
>It is usually in the last eight months of the film
What an embarrassing goddamn admission to make.
This b***h got so lucky with Wreck It Ralph and Frozen
We have empirical proof that she got lucky with both because the sequels are fricking awful
>But Frozen is bad
homie it made a bunch of money, everything else is so bad that even midwestern families didn't want it
It looked boring, the artstyle was so basic it looked like a Disney-knockoff you'd see at the grocery store, and had no hook
Oh I'm entirely certain Wish took every advantage over being 3D as opposed to 2D
Let's be real, it's probably for the best they didn't make it 2D. It wouldn't have made this crap and better and would have been another 2D flop convincing everyone 2D can't make money anymore
no, but a 2d movie may have caught some attention. most movies that succeed had a big "this is an event you can't miss" energy. puss 2, mario, spiderverse, barbenheimer, they all had this big "electricity" that made people want to check them out because they were all doing something a little different than the norm. puss and spiderverse had stylish animation, mario was a game adaptation that didn't look afraid to reference the game, barbenheimer had the power of memes and both looked like interesting, unique films.
a 2D disney movie to celebrate 100 years and their princesses' legacy could've totally gotten a lot of asses on the seat.
but they went for the safest, most boring looking movie possible. disney has become too generic to attract audiences and they don't know how to stand out
laziness mixed with a clear sabottage of the original pitch
They got woke, so they went broke.
Nah they wete broke, went woke, then fricking CHOKE AND CROACKED.
Minus One did more money here alone then worldwide!
Will they release the Minus Color cut of the movie in the US too? For a regular run or for a limited time.
Most likely in the Bluray deluxe release like Final Wars a few years back.
>What happened?
They phoned it in and expected people like
to come watch it anyway because "it's Disney". If anything, putting next to zero effort into it just pissed people off, since they wanted to see something that shows off 100 years of movie making. Instead they got something that read like a high school play.
Poor marketing, the animation looks second rate and not at all top tier which is pathetic for a company like disney, generic bullshit premise, forced diversity and Disney in general is pushing away its core audience over petty culture war stuff in general
Imagine you're just a random normie looking at the poster in pic-related. What is even the hook?
Rapunzel
>oh I know that story the girl with the long hair
Frozen
>oh she has ice powers, that Let It Go song on YouTube was really good
Moana
>oh it has Pacific Islanders and stars the Rock
"Wish" is about wishes I guess? It's such a generic premise, even the designs of the princess and her kingdom are generic as frick.
Your brain is full of rot. Please be better next time.
What are you even disagreeing with? I don't care about any of these princess movies. The point is to a general audience you need to convey a clear message about what your movie is about and make it stand out somehow. "Wish" doesn't do that.
>Be careful what you wish for
I like how this implies it's a movie cautioning about reckless desires, when the film is the complete opposite.
It should have been about the chaos of wishes, but that would actually be fun. Be sure to get rid of any romance too! Have no appeal whatsoever except filling diversity quotas.
>It should have been about the chaos of wishes, but that would actually be fun.
My thoughts exactly. It could have been just like pic-related, the main character making one wish after another but then having crazy monkey paw results.
Imagine if Magnifico gave the main character wish-granting rights for an entire day. As she sets off to grant everyone's wishes she realizes they end up having all sorts of unforeseen consequences. Like she grants a chef's wish to have the best food and suddenly all the townfolk start getting comically fat because they can't stop eating it. Stuff like that.
It would have been an interesting way to show Magnificio's point of view, but more importantly it would have taken the concept of "wishes" and actually made it fun for the audience.
That was the plot of one of those bargain-bin Princesses compilation movies back in the mid 2000's.
>"Be careful what you wish for"
>Movie is literally about the opposite of that
I can't believe they would just lie about that blatantly
you think the movie is about the hero saving the people? no, it's the rise of a villain.
Why is she afraid of their attempt to create another baby Yoda for sweet sweet merchandise?
Also as others stated the tag line makes no fricking sense. It would have made more sense for Brave, which is actually another problem
>ha ha, the edgy star from the Mario movie harasses blacks
This movie was so lazy, generic and (for lack of a better term) safe that it almost felt like it was made by AI. I say "almost" because an AI-generated movie would probably have some memorable weirdness, at least.
Captcha: XRDMHW
it only needed 100 million to be successful, in the end Disney won
Black girl in a European setting. Disney hasn't had a white princess in over ten years since 2012
Bad movie.
I got my wish.
Theaters take a 50% cut right? So this lost 130 million dollars?
And that is without factoring in marketing the thing.
Don’t worry, they have merch to eat the cost!
Fun fact I saw almost all of the toys on clearance the day before yesterday, true story.
>Fun fact I saw almost all of the toys on clearance the day before yesterday, true story.
They were on clearance even before the release of this film, the only thing selling is Magnifico + queen pack
>When adjusted for inflation they could have made 2-3 Renaissance movies for the same cost as this bottomless money pit
What the frick did they spend the money on? It sure as frick can't be better visuals.
Marketing
Marketing is rarely counted for a movie's budget.
money laundering is unironically the only answer its why hollywood keeps pumping out these "on-paper" unprofitable films, while the actual cost is only a fraction of the official budget
>What the frick did they spend the money on?
Several factors:
-Despite the idea floating around for a while, the production time for this movie was 3~4 months. The contracted schedule meant the need to hire more people at once, and less time for polish.
-Disney is full of inexperienced people right now who weren't hired for their merit. In the most basic terms, they're less productive, which also increases the need for more staff.
-The bulk of the budget did not go into the visuals.
-Modern Hollywood has an ever increasing number of new middle management positions that don't directly contribute to the quality of a movie. Companies like Illumination and Dreamworks animate overseas where there is less red tape.
>Completely broken morality
>Villain protagonists with sumpathetic antagonist, but accidentally (read: the main characters are outright hateable)
>Songs are all generic pop inserts instead of memorable story elements, so there's no emotional attachment after the movie to repeat them
>Brown girl in European setting. Wait... a moor in Medieval Spain, so an outright insult
>>inb4 durr durr not technically Spain, shove your pedanticism.
>Mascot character 1 is just a copypate from Nintendo
>Mascot character 2 is just "wow you didn't expect this cute little thing to have a deep voice, huh?" overused joke
>Main character has good colors, but no visual flair in the movie and has a very generic head/face. Matches her personality, but lacks anything to make her stand out from other princesses.
(Yes, I'm calling her a princess even though she isn't one. Frick you, they want her to be marketed similar to one, and Tiana wasn't a princess in the movie either, but at least Tiana's cute.)
>She's actually a complete opposite of the good traits from Tiana
: a working-class woman who wanted to earn for her dream and got roped into an adventure because of someone else who made friends along the way, coincidentally getting her wish granted, a wish that continued her responsibilities in life.
>Asha: A happy woman with a lot of friends in a fairytale kingdom who got mad because Magnifico wouldn't grant a wish that her grandfather made, then usurped him while learning that it was all pointless because she could just grant her own wishes herself, leaving the audience in the dark for what'll happen when she inevitably fricks this up.
>Magnifico's design and personality is 10/10 and the best character in the movie... for the audience to root for
TL;DR: Written by people who probably thought Caillou was a good character.
There's so many baffling choices to Wish's plot and characters I would love to be a fly on the wall of the writer's room watching them hash stuff out. You can just hear the creaking as the writers try to twist the setup into knots to justify the plot. The anti-evil oil was one of the most disgusting plot contrivances I've ever heard of
There are plenty of introductory writing courses on Youtube that could help these writers. Who are they and how did they get given one of the most important jobs possible in a movie that cost two hundred million dollarydoos?
>Could've gone for a lesson that just because you wish for it. Doesn't make it feasible or make you happy.
>Instead man bad woman good
It's not Spain though.
If you want to do that shit then it's not on Earth either since there's not proof it is, and there's no proof they're humans either, criticizing the plot is moot since the broken morals might be perfectly acceptable for said literal alien characters.
>Tiana's cute.
Finally, a man of culture.
I'm kind of afraid that the company's higher-ups might look at this movie's failure and come to the conclusion that the "traditional" Disney movie formula isn't what audiences want anymore.
count on suits to never understand what the problem was. all they understood from all of this is to push even more sequels and remakes
bad movie
Can I get a QRD on the movie's plot?
>Magnifico makes a kingdom for anyone who can reach it because his old home was destroyed
>Citizens voluntarily give him their wishes
>Once a year at least, he grants a wish of his choosing
>Asha, the girl, goes for apprenticeship
>Magnifico opens up. Asha: "That's great, but can you grant my grandfather's wish?"
>Argument. She runs off. Discovers a wishing star (little guy)
>Chaos from the wishes getting jumbled up and shit (no, no fun Bruce Almighty shenanigans, just the star making a mess)
>Magnifico consults his citizens because of the chaos, they want more wishes
>"And this is the thanks I get!" Consults evil book to try to take control of the situation, gets corrupted FOREVAR!!1!
>Queen and cripple woman read the same evil book, but with magic oil so they don't get corrupted
>Asha and civilians rise up because le reddit We ArE mAdE oF sTaRdUsT so thy can grant wishes
>Queen rules kingdom, citizens can grant their own wishes, and Magnifico gets trapped in the Magic Mirror for eternity
> Another thread about random people on the internet pontificating about the success of an animated film.
You people don't know anything about the value these sort of films produce. Disney in particular does things a bit differently. For them, the box office is a drop in the bucket of the profits this new IP will generate over time.
$200 million from Wish box office.
$1.2 billion from Wish toy and merchandise sales.
$1 billion from Wish DVD sales / streaming / people buying into Disney+ and forgetting their memberships.
$10 billion from all the little girls of color that will want to bring their family to Disney Parks, watch more Disney movies, and pass on their love of Disney to their future children.
$120 million? It's really more like $15 billion. Disney has multiple ways of generating income from their IPs, so Wish is already going to be a massive success. Do you people really think a massive company like Disney that spends millions and millions of dollars on focus testing is going to make a flop that loses money? Do you really think you racist freaks know better than those experts? It was a pretty good movie and y'all are just trying to jump on the hate bandwagon to hurt Disney, but it won't work.
I for one bought a huge amount of Disney stock at a bargain a few months ago, and expect it to double in no time.
This was yesterday, on Christmas eve.
First, a picture of the isle of a random store doesn't mean anything. I bet you work there and just took a picture after setting out the merchandise before the store opens just to dunk on the film.
Second, the fact that there's so much merchandise means it was produced to fulfill a huge demand. Disney experts can estimate the amount of products that will sell for a film, and since there's a lot of it, they're clearly going to be selling gangbusters.
Idiot, Disney made all that merchandise months before the film even premiered because they foolishly assumed the film would be popular enough to sell all those items. When all that Wish merchandise inevitably becomes landfill, maybe Disney will hire better writers and fire the idiots that wrote this film because their merchandise profits failed.
reminds me that i see local toy stores still trying to sell Lightyear toys that have been on the shelf since at least eight months before the film was even released.
Nah, as always they over produced merch because they got over confident and thought people would buy based on the Disney brand alone. Same shit happened with Eternals, a film released two years ago and you can still find stacks of unsold toys and merch.
kek, I believe you. I'm poor as shit and the local food pantry were giving hats with the Black person mermaid on it. My sister tossed it for a plain pink hat
i need to see the Barbie and the gatcha surprise doll aisles for comparison
>shill in damage control desperation mode
This level of cope. Next you'll be claiming that the Marvels toy and comic sales will make over $1 billion.
>You people
Cope more, disgusting shill Black person homosexual.
watch and shart your pants as it crashes & burns
LMAO
I look at this wonder what boy would buy these toys? Like who would actually go "yes mom and dad, I want to buy this toy of these badass girls"? Who's the market for this? Girls arent buying this shit.
>goat popcorn bucket
so is this abomination still being sold at the parks or what
higher-ups generated a product instead of a film
incels and chuds will somehow blame diversity
>disney princess movie
>not a romance
Didn't appeal to women, disney's largest adult audience
>Didn't appeal to women, disney's largest adult audience
I'm still wondering why these people arent called "womenchildren." Instead, it's seen as normal. But men being into comic books and Star Wars? Manchildren, apparently.
maybe if disney doesn't pay the manufacturers they commission to make the stuff because it didn't sell.
People are just getting tired of Disney in general. Thanks to the pandemic and inflation and shit, people have to be choosier about the movies they see, and thus will in general want higher quality films. Going to the movies is no longer just a thing to casually do now but something that requires thought and consideration.
Disney hasn't been able to adapt to that. They've streamlined the production of Marvel shit so efficiently that by the time they realize audiences aren't liking the direction the movies are headed in, they're already 70% done with like 3 or 4 movies. And then you have shit like Kang's actor being a wife beater and it's made all the worse.
Similarly people just aren't interested in their animated stuff. They don't have an identity. What Disney produces in house and what Pixar produces come off as exactly the same as each other, and neither of them have been particularly good.
It doesn't help that Disney got itself caught up in the larger cultural war. Regardless of if they're winning or meatball DeSantis is, they've been branded as 'woke' which is a huge turn off for many people ranging from conservatives to liberals who'd rather talk about economics rather than the alphabet squad. So basically
>Audiences are choosier with what movies they see
>Disney's output in general have been poor
>A sizable portion of the audience actively avoids Disney movies
They need to do an inventory, make movies on smaller budgets, and rethink everything. But given that the powers that be in Disney wouldn't want to relinquish their hold, they won't.
>Using Covid as an excuse
Frick off.
Japan will save it like Korea saved Elemental
I haven't seen a single ad for this movie
if not for here and a tiktok video calling it shit I never would know it came out
I still don't know the plot
>I still don't know the plot
Remember Bruce Almighty? It is basically if it ended when he answered yes to all those prayers.
Movie should have been a Fantasia Sequel with MC being Mickey's apprentice and him showing up until the end to fight all of the Big Bad Disney Villains and return everything back to normal.
Anyone has the pic of this film's crippled Asian sidekick next to this film's Asian producer/writer?
Look at 5 seconds of footage and you know what happened. The movie looks like ass. Everything is washed out. Everyone is bland.
>Your loving husband who you founded a kingdom with is an butthole sometimes and you worry that he'll one day give in to his darkness
>He gets corrupted by some evil fricking book
>Gets his soul trapped in a mirror forever, fully aware, quip as you throw him in a dungeon for being corrupted instead of mercy killing him or trying to find a cure
>What happened?
So many things
The Sopranos evil wife-and-husband combo would've been an interesting choice. Shame they watered it down because now the queen makes zero sense as a character
>tfw got stuck in the timeline with no Twinkerbell X Magnifico yaoi
why even live
Communism, (no matter what they're calling it these days), fails every single time, in every single form it's tried. What is true for nations is also true for companies. Before they run out of money and are coasting on prior good will and brand reputation they claim victory. When they start to fail they will make every excuse under the sun. And then when they nosedive into the dirt they will rewrite history entirely and tell everyone how it would have worked if it wasn't for those meddling Capitalists.
Just look where Disney is now. People who actually know what the frick they're doing will at some point be stepping in to do something about the out-of-control spending, fire the idiots, reverse the wasteful counterproductive policies, and try to rescue the company, but the homosexuals who created the problem in the first place will retrospectively point and screech like howler monkeys about them somehow being the cause.
Every. Fricking. Time.
>capitalist companies are actually communist
Great, didn't know
I think the funniest thing about this autistic rant is that the movie inadvertently endorses this
If you thought Vanellope was bad in the first movie, you wouldn't make it two minutes into the sequel. Every single character kisses her ass and tells her how amazing she is, including every Disney princess, as she sits there with a smug little gnome grin
>Kingdom Hearts has no good movies to turn into worlds
It has plenty.
>Frozen 2
>Emporer's New Groove
>Treasure Planet (actually considered for DDD)
>Raya
>Encanto
>Coco
>101 Dalmatians (obligatory anthro world)
>The Great Mouse Detective
>Wreck it Ralph (if you know, you know why this one's an "oh shit" moment).
Moana would be a perfect fit too. Islander setting with a girl who wants to sail away, Te Ka is trying to get her heart back, the main threat is a dark cloud enveloping the islands...