>My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!
Season 3 is probably my favorite overall, it's really fun and everything is basically in place.
Without a doubt Willow she is the best Scooby by far and the only one who is effective without Buffy.
Evil Spike/Dru/Angel wad probably the peak for the villains of the show, it's a shame it didn't last longer.
Because the main story arc is bad and Riley is a wet noodle. But they seem to forget that season 4 is filled with funny and highly memorable monster-of-the-week episodes, probably the best ones of any season.
>College seasons
The only college season is four and it fricking sucked, Riley fricking suxked, Adam fricking sucked, the Thanksgiving episode fricking sucked, the Jonathan episode fricking sucked, Beer Bad fricking sucks shit its terrible. They should've made Sunday a slayer turned vampire into the main villain of the season. Would've been so much better.
>the Thanksgiving episode fricking sucked, the Jonathan episode fricking sucked, Beer Bad fricking sucks shit its terrible
all wrong, those episodes are funny as frick
That's the least of it,.but still a sore spot for a lot of fans due to how it was handled. Riley and the initiative are the biggest reasons most fans checked out. They wanted Buff with Angel and Riley was a cardboard cutout masquerading ad a college student. I know what they were going for: Captain America aw.shucks, ma'am mixed the charm of Clark Kent's farm boy, but that actor was too wooden to really be charming. He was so boring they tried to edge him up by giving him a vamp addiction but no one cared.
I rewatched a few years ago and it was better than I remembered.
I loved the finale when the gang gives their power to Buffy or something. >Anya makes Xander tolerable
Xander was always the best.
crazy how everyone always thinks Primeval is the finale. it makes sense, but still.
I fricking loved Restless even if everything about it has now become overused and cringe. still a great episode. had a self-contained plot and yet connected to everything so far and (almost) everything after.
I don’t think season 5 would have hit as hard without that ep.
>We never got Faiths spin off show with prime Dushku because she made a shitty time travel show on FOX for two seasons that got cancelled.
Why even live?
It was a mistake. Eliza could've carried a new slayer show easily, and Faith is extremely well liked. They were working on a reboot with a black Buffy, bit after people pointed out that Kendra is RIGHT there, to stop race swapping the then show runner came out on Twitter and said something to the effect of >You're right - It's time for a new slayer
Blah blah, and then the expose came out on Joss and that's the last anyone heard from it. That was years ago now. I think Buffy stuff will be dead for a while since Joss is so linked to it.
Boy did he. It was actually worse than that. Let's see >Everyone hates working with him >Cornered James Marsters one day and threatened he'd kill his character cause he hated Spike so much(Network wouldn't allow it) >There was apparently a rule on set that he wasn't allowed to be alone with Michelle Trachtenberg >Multiple women have come out saying he was suggestive and mealy mouthed implied he'd get them farther if they scratched his back so to speak >His wife(Ex now)put him on blast and said he acts like a big ol' feminist but he's anything but
There's a hell of a lot more and Joss admits to all of it, and some of the things he says in the interview I guess he thought would make him seem relatable but he just comes off like a manipulating psychopath with extreme confidence issues.
Spike was supposed to be a one off character. Audiences responded to him so much though that instead of killing him off like Joss intended, the network mandated him to stay. He was an immediate hit and this pissed Joss off cause he viewed Spike as a bully. He couldn't fathom why the audience liked him so much and Marsters on Michael Rosenbaums(Lex from Smallville)podcast answered the question of >Was Joss really that bad
And for his part said he never saw any of the other stuff, but could only speak for himself. Said Joss cornered him and yelled at him and said it felt like a kid grabbing his ball and yelling he'd take it home.
>what's that? >you say you were brought back from the dead unconsensually and ripped out of heaven? >ah yes what a bummer >well I've got to leave as a tough love measure so you will stop being so apathetic about life >ta
Buffy is super campy and light hearted half the time. It's more or less the bridge between Hercules/Xena and shows like Supernatural and Chilling Tales of Sabrina. Firefly is a lot less light hearted and more or less a passion project combining Japanese Scifi westerns and Lost Cause Americana.
Very inspired by things like Bebop and Outlaw Star as well. I think if Firefly had been allowed to continue it would've outstripped Buffy and Angel. As is, I think the highs of Buffy are the best of both, but Angel was more consistently good.
I just finished the 9th episode of Firefly, I've been taking my time with it because it only has 14 episodes. Maybe one or two whole lines of cringey Joss Whedon dialogue and I love the characters. Buffy still has to be better just because of how many more seasons it got. How is the movie Serenity?
It's fine but it definitely feels like >Let's wrap it ALL up in one go!
Kind of thing, so for me at least, it was very unsatisfying. So unsatisfying that i have trouble going back and watching the show cause of what could've been.
Favorite season >Season 2
Favorite character >Spike
Favorite villain >Ted
Early buffy is pretty hard to beat. Even the throw away monster of the week eps are stellar. One of my personal favorites being Ted. John Ritter just elevates anything he's in. >Do you want me to slap that smart ass mouth of yours >Who wants cookies?!
But like most long running shows it devolves in to something pretty bad. Willow acting like she's always been a lesbian really bothered me, it shit all over the memory of her and Oz and the fans that loved it. Also, the girl they chose to out her with is such an awful actress. She had one gear: Look like you're going to puke and call it acting. She'd be the worst character on the show if Kennedy hadn't shown up in the final hour and legit raped Willow. Like, actually forced herself on her and it's played as lovely. The later seasons still have some absolute bangers like Hush and Once More With Feeling, but the only real reason to watch after Glory is killed(The last good Big Bad)is Dawns tight tween ass.
I didn't even mind them making Willow bi, but that's not what they did at all. They memory holed Oz and acted like Willow was ALWAYS gay, and they'd have her bring it up as much as they could >Hello! GAY!
*Willow points to self*
That kind of shit infuriates me. It was also when I first realized that they'll allow a character to go gay, but never back the other way. I know Xander was supposed to be the one they made gay, and Buff was even talked about at one point, which given the closeness of her and Faith was RIGHT there. morons.
It was a mixture of them being scared it would be recieved as her being "cured" of gayness and going back to guys. It's funny to say now but people legit flipped shit about bisexuals in the 90's and early 00s the same way as they do about non binary people now.
The studio was totally against them making anyone gay or bi and the writing crew had to warm them up to it. Bisexuality was out of the question so they retconned Willow into being gay. It's ridiculous and the writers all stand by the idea that if it came out now she would just be bi.
I love Alyson Hannigan she was great on Buffy and How I Met Your Mother
>the same way as they do about non binary people now
That's made up though. Bisexuality is a very real thing. I had a parent at school tell me after seeing the ep where Willow blows the candle out with Tara >We will NOT be watching that anymore as a family
But the vast majority of people I talked to were only mad cause she fricked Oz over and Tara was a drooling moron.
Anon trust me in the 90s and early 00s they said the same shit.
Bisexuality is a fad no one really is this
It's just a phase
If you frick dudes and are male you are gay not bi
Ect
This shit happens every decade and a half now, we went through a long moral panic in the early 00s too and before that it as the original gay hysteria/satanic panic of the 70s and 80s.
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I grew up then and I know what you mean, I just don't think comparing it to something like non-binary helps. That shit isn't real. It's a made up term to go along with all of the other made up terms that bored white women in colleges have made up. Regardless, Buffy should've been with Faith. At the very least put Willow with a girl whilst also acknowledging a fan favorite character that was part of the original gang. I'm still mad about after all these years. I still dislike Tara and I remember the day she was shot my cousin called me and said >Well, are you doing a jig yet
At least later seasons gave us Anya, who turned out to be an even better character than Xander as time went on and they didn't know what to do with him.
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non-binary is binary opposite to the other woke shit. it's very clever ruse.
xander also did well in the end, superpower of learning a trade and holding down a job
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>xander also did well in the end, superpower of learning a trade and holding down a job
He's still one of my favorite characters I just wish they'd done more with him. I liked in the comics where he was basically a Nick Fury, complete with an eyepatch.
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Yeah Anya is the only thing that makes Xander tolerable.
Going back in I honestly didn't remember that much and at first thought that they were going to make him into an Evil Dead Ash esque character, I wasn't expecting him to become increasingly out of place and sucky.
Spike was supposed to be a one off character. Audiences responded to him so much though that instead of killing him off like Joss intended, the network mandated him to stay. He was an immediate hit and this pissed Joss off cause he viewed Spike as a bully. He couldn't fathom why the audience liked him so much and Marsters on Michael Rosenbaums(Lex from Smallville)podcast answered the question of >Was Joss really that bad
And for his part said he never saw any of the other stuff, but could only speak for himself. Said Joss cornered him and yelled at him and said it felt like a kid grabbing his ball and yelling he'd take it home.
At least they did a good job with Spike he is genuinely charming and grows on you hard throughout seasons 4 and 5. I didn't remember the early seasons that well so I really enjoyed when he shows up as a badass with Dru in season 2.
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Spike was supposed to be a one off character. Audiences responded to him so much though that instead of killing him off like Joss intended, the network mandated him to stay. He was an immediate hit and this pissed Joss off cause he viewed Spike as a bully. He couldn't fathom why the audience liked him so much and Marsters on Michael Rosenbaums(Lex from Smallville)podcast answered the question of >Was Joss really that bad
And for his part said he never saw any of the other stuff, but could only speak for himself. Said Joss cornered him and yelled at him and said it felt like a kid grabbing his ball and yelling he'd take it home.
>hated Spike
He's dead to me now.
Boy did he. It was actually worse than that. Let's see >Everyone hates working with him >Cornered James Marsters one day and threatened he'd kill his character cause he hated Spike so much(Network wouldn't allow it) >There was apparently a rule on set that he wasn't allowed to be alone with Michelle Trachtenberg >Multiple women have come out saying he was suggestive and mealy mouthed implied he'd get them farther if they scratched his back so to speak >His wife(Ex now)put him on blast and said he acts like a big ol' feminist but he's anything but
There's a hell of a lot more and Joss admits to all of it, and some of the things he says in the interview I guess he thought would make him seem relatable but he just comes off like a manipulating psychopath with extreme confidence issues.
was the retcon of making Spike an incel pre-vampirism a way for Joss Whedon to take revenge?
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>was the retcon of making Spike an incel pre-vampirism a way for Joss Whedon to take revenge?
Yeah, the William The Bloody stuff. I think so. Doesn't matter though, cause when you make a vampire so cool that your audience is rooting for him, while also giving him a past where he's killed two slayers and tortured people with railroad spikes, giving him a soft boy past doesn't matter. Just makes him even cooler if anything.
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Like Wesley.
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Wesley is so damn likeable. As is the guy that plays him. Met him and his wife Alyson at a con years ago. They talked to us for about 20min and never once asked us to buy something.
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Wesley is so damn likeable. As is the guy that plays him. Met him and his wife Alyson at a con years ago. They talked to us for about 20min and never once asked us to buy something.
>Wesley
that character has somehow left my mind, completely erased, i'm reading the wikipedia and checking photos but i still have zero idea who he was and i watched all the episodes
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He becomes important to Angel as well.
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>the bad boy character with a soft side is getting too popular, how do I fix this? >I know, I’ll show just how weak, bullied and vulnerable he used to be!
For a man that got lauded for writing women, I don’t think he understands them much. I wonder how much credit he deserves and how much was the other executive writers wrangling him.
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It's hilarious. Spike consistently stays at the top of people lists. Marsters owned it. He just made him great no matter the storyline. He added things during scenes that apparently weren't part of the script either: Like when he tears off to Buffys house with a sawed off shotgun with every intention of killing her, he finds her vulnerable and weeping. The script called for him to just sit there in silence, but he made the decision to slowly put his hand on her like a wounded animal. A monster with no soul that remembered what it used to be like being a man. Great fricking scene.
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he also narrates audiobooks and does voices for all the characters dialogue
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That's dope, I hadn't heard of that. I had no idea there were Buff audio books. At one time I was so into the show I taped every ep and had the Slayer handbook. Which had behind the scenes stuff and listed every track from every band for seasons 1&2. I think Marsters should have had a bigger career. He's talented as hell.
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He’s absolutely one of the top tier audiobook narrators. He knows just when to cut loose, which is a nice change from the usual >he shouted (calmly)
You tend to hear due to the narrator not knowing how to shout without straining their voice
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For me, it's Peter Kenny. He does a fantastic satyr/goatman voice in the first Witcher book that really sounds like a talking goat
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For me it’s Jonathan Keeble. Being able to do a better angry Yorkshireman than Brian Blessed is an amazing feat
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>I wonder how much credit he deserves and how much was the other executive writers wrangling him.
Look to his other work and... yeah. Loves blaming others.
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Ironic if true since that only made many fangirls love him more. I don't know about that part, but the out of character attempted rape plot has 100% character assassination.
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So Buffy had Spike that was a charismatic shithead villain that everybody loved, and they killed his character on purpose.
And DS9 had Dukat that was a charismatic shithead villain that everybody loved, and they killed his character on purpose.
Why cant we have nice things? Why must they do this?
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both Dukat and Garak deserved more, their characters kind of deflated in the last seasons
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spike/dru was a bit emo in the middle
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was the retcon of making Spike an incel pre-vampirism a way for Joss Whedon to take revenge?
thats just how punks work
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>enjoyed when he shows up as a badass with Dru in season 2 >Yoo*laughs in between*oou were thay'eeerr? >If every vampire that said he was at the crucifixion was ACTUally thay'ere.. >It would've been like Woodstock
I love him.
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I really liked his redemption arc. And he stole the show in Angel, imo.
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>And he stole the show in Angel, imo.
Eh, it undermined his sacrifice in the Buffy finale, his reasoning for not leaving to go after the love of his life is spurious, and his personality/behavior is like a one-dimensional parody of who he was in Buffy. He had his moments, but he was basically just comic relief.
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But we know better now
I.e, that all women are "bisexual", meaning they will frick anything they find attractive and makes them feel attractive.
And "bi" men are male nymphomaniacs that managed to be pornbrained even before the internet
Remember, its a slippery slope but people dont perceive it as such because cuckservatives only conserve and cement the globohomosexual values that the shitlibs enacted last time they got to power
In 30 years we are going to treat pedophilia the same way >In the 2020s we had this big troony scare and look how well we turned out, and now the same chuds are protesting consenting children without their parents approval
It was a mixture of them being scared it would be recieved as her being "cured" of gayness and going back to guys. It's funny to say now but people legit flipped shit about bisexuals in the 90's and early 00s the same way as they do about non binary people now.
The studio was totally against them making anyone gay or bi and the writing crew had to warm them up to it. Bisexuality was out of the question so they retconned Willow into being gay. It's ridiculous and the writers all stand by the idea that if it came out now she would just be bi.
I love Alyson Hannigan she was great on Buffy and How I Met Your Mother
I don't love any other character he's ever played, cause he was always just kind of there. Inoffensive, but Oz was and is a great character. He was acted well my Seth Green as well even though he's a manlet extraordinaire. That time he's getting thrown around by the Jekyll and Hyde character and then the sun goes down and Oz looks up while his belly, his eyes black and replies >Times up >Rules change
Is DOPE
Well written lad. He didnt say or do much but they didnt really try to hype him up as something extra either. That mostly meant they couldnt frick with his characterization too much either, so when he did something it was in character no matter what
Glory really was the last good overarching bad guy for Buffy in my opinion. The last time the show had balls to show Giles being as cold as he was capable of during his Ripper days as well.
Millenials are aging out of Cinemaphile.
Plus Buffy is a show with a female lead and arguably the second most important character is Willow a "lesbian" (bi) witch.
Of course it's not going to be as popular with the traditional cath larper crowd.
He might be referring to "traditional/catholic" or "nuclear family" values, which is now counter culture and thus is more prevalent on Cinemaphile than other internet outlets. I don't think anyone dislikes when girls kiss girls though
I think his suggestion that simply because it's female led it would be hated is moronic as well. Current shows are just so shit that if they're female led, you know exactly what that means. Zero character development. Zero struggle. Etc. Buffy resonated with boys/men and girls/women alike. Modern writers just don't know how to write a female character. >nuclear family" values, which is now counter culture
Strange times.
he's talking about tradcath MUH KVLT larpers who decided to become ultra nationalist christians two weeks ago and worship based trump more than jesus and have never beeen to church
You losers have been saying this for ten years. Do you ever stop jerking yourselves off over the fact that this site became infested with incels and boomers?
Does this show get any good? After the computer virus and the hyenas episodes I had to drop it. Cringe.af
While season 1 is enjoyable season 2 on is solid
2&3 are peak classic buffy 4-6 are also great.
Favorite season >Season 2
Favorite character >Spike
Favorite villain >Ted
Early buffy is pretty hard to beat. Even the throw away monster of the week eps are stellar. One of my personal favorites being Ted. John Ritter just elevates anything he's in. >Do you want me to slap that smart ass mouth of yours >Who wants cookies?!
But like most long running shows it devolves in to something pretty bad. Willow acting like she's always been a lesbian really bothered me, it shit all over the memory of her and Oz and the fans that loved it. Also, the girl they chose to out her with is such an awful actress. She had one gear: Look like you're going to puke and call it acting. She'd be the worst character on the show if Kennedy hadn't shown up in the final hour and legit raped Willow. Like, actually forced herself on her and it's played as lovely. The later seasons still have some absolute bangers like Hush and Once More With Feeling, but the only real reason to watch after Glory is killed(The last good Big Bad)is Dawns tight tween ass.
Agreed, it's honestly shocking how much information they drop in the one offs as well. The John Ritter episode is wild, I totally forgot about it so it w as s a nice surprise.
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You seem really upset that someone pointed out an obvious an observable fact.
If you didn't like those it's probably not for you. The Pack is one of the best Xander eps. RIP Mr Flutie. I'd suggest an even better show: Farscape, but you seem to be allergic to kino.
I loved it immediately. Especially the slow mo scene where the pack is walking up the hill while Job's Eyes plays. That's back when the music was just as important to Buffy as the cast and the script was. They should've never have moved away from the Bronze and showcasing up and coming or underground music. I always watched early Buff with a notepad out for when the WB guy would say >You've been listening toooo: Reluctant Man by Sprung Monkey
I discovered so many good bands through the show, including Cibbo Matto.
People said season 7 was bad except the finale. I liked it up until the last 4 episodes and the finale was terrible. I can't believe Xander was making jokes 5 minutes after Anya died. He should have pushed that homosexual Andrew over the cliff. I also wish they killed Faith instead of sending her to prison so we could get a new secondary slayer every season. She only came back to frick the black principal and did nothing else.
I barely remember anything after season 5 cause that's usually when I stop my rewatches. I'm currently on season 2 with the missus - we're on The Judge ep where Brian Thompson comes back. This will probably be the last time I watch it all the way through again.
Dracula should have been a main seasonal villain. Put Buffy on the back bench for at least half a season because of the thralldom and have Giles be a Van Helsing proxy with the other scoobies.
They were a pretty popular show at the time and I think he could've been set up at the Big Bad for leading to a showdown for the final ep, similar to the Master in season 1.
He's mostly used for comic relief in the comics., which is a pity. Outside of a few series, the comics are not very good at all. The Angel/Faith spinoff was nice though. They rebooted Buffy in comic form a few years ago, those weren't very good either but better than the original comics. Naturally, a young version of Robin Wood was a student at Sunnydale high and Buffy's love interest.
I am only watching it for the first time now, just reached S4. So far I think overall the Master was the best big bad. The mayor was kind of obnoxious. Snyder was better.
The best character so far is Spike for sure, and I know his real arc hasnt even started yet. But when he comes back all mopey and hangs out with Joyce asking for marshmallows and pretend-biting her just to frick with Angel, that shit was hilarious
Dracula could have replaced Adam in season 4 or the trio in season 6. In the fourth season, the theme could have been that Buffy was overwhelmed by the pressure of college and was an easy target for Dracula's influence, prompting greater involvement from the gang to save her. Stretch the thralldom of Buffy and Xander out of several episodes.
In season 6, a depressed Buffy could easily have turned into a dark Buffy under his influence. Dark Buffy would have been better than Dark Willow imho.
She looked delicious in that spandex cat outfit in the Halloween ep where Ethan(Best side character villain!)starts the costume shop as a front to pray to Janus and frick things up. Her ass as she walks away from Oz jiggles all over the place, and looks even better in HD.
>Buffy, our adventures over the years here in the town of Sunnydale have brought me to a regrettable conclusion. The red-haired israeliteess you consort with, is more dangerous than we both realised. I fear that one day, she will bring a great doom upon the realm of California. I know Willow is your friend, but for the good of the kingdom, she must die, Buffy - and you must be the one to slay her. We cannot allow magic to further corrupt our efforts against the darkness. Oh, and beware of the village idiot Xander. I fear that oaf's childhood friendship and devotion to the sorceress far outstrips any hormonal feelings he may have for you. Best to dispose of him too, while you're at it.
I understand the hate s6 gets, it's about everyone being laid low by life, but that is the reality of early adulthood for lots of people myself included so I connected with it.
S6 is all character development all the time and I respect the hell out of it.
Also it's got Once More with Feeling
>Once More with Feeling
Top 10 for me. Tip 5 for some I'm sure. What an entertaining ep, man. I think Spikes let me rest and Buff's I want the fire are my favorite songs.
Seasons 1-3 are still a lot of fun, doesn't take itself too seriously yet. Watched it again early this year and holy shit the quality tanking from seasons 3 to 4 is worse than I remembered. The show is not good at handling serious issues like it thinks it is. It comes off insanely farcical, and having her complain about her life as a college student just doesn't work as well as a high schooler.
they did, but they also had the professor woman leave halfway through, so that made them change all their plans for the season. still not a very good overarching plotline with muh gubmint schlock, but I guess the idea of it just being some vampire felt stale to them.
there had to be a better idea, some college based allegory.
I rewatched a few years ago and it was better than I remembered.
I loved the finale when the gang gives their power to Buffy or something. >Anya makes Xander tolerable
Xander was always the best.
xander was one of those characters that was very uneven, when they allowed him to do stuff he was great but they played up the gormless loser angle wayyy too often, even if they allowed him to frick a few hot women here and there. I mean he canonically had soldier training and was still completely useless in 99% of scenarios. We dont need a Rambo-lite for him to do useful stuff like traps and tactics, or better yet, just give him a fricking gun
>Favorite season?
3, which is odd because I hated season 3 when it was released and stopped watching Buffy because of the shitty party episode with the mask. >Favorite character?
I like the quiet. >Favorite villain?
The Mayor
peak smg
>smg
How do you pronou
nce this? Smig?
S, M, G.
>My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!
never remembered her looking so israeli back in the day
we have awakened
Season 3 is probably my favorite overall, it's really fun and everything is basically in place.
Without a doubt Willow she is the best Scooby by far and the only one who is effective without Buffy.
Evil Spike/Dru/Angel wad probably the peak for the villains of the show, it's a shame it didn't last longer.
>Favorite season?
3
>Favorite character?
Xander when I was younger, Wesley now if he counts
>Favorite villain?
Mayor
seasons 2 and 3 are the only good ones
They're all good except for Season 7 (which still has redeeming qualities)
But 2-3 was indeed the peak
Favorite show of all time
>Favorite season?
2
>Favorite character?
High school era Buffy
>Favorite villain?
The Angelus/Spike/Drusilla trinity
>season
6
>character
Willow or Spike
>villain
Drusilla
Why do people complain about the college seasons?
Giles gets a boost
Peak Willow
Anya makes Xander tolerable
People hate change. I didn't appreciate season 4 at the time. I liked it, but it got better on re watch many years later.
Because the main story arc is bad and Riley is a wet noodle. But they seem to forget that season 4 is filled with funny and highly memorable monster-of-the-week episodes, probably the best ones of any season.
Riley was more of a plot device than a character. He was there to get Buffy to start questioning her influence on other people.
>College seasons
The only college season is four and it fricking sucked, Riley fricking suxked, Adam fricking sucked, the Thanksgiving episode fricking sucked, the Jonathan episode fricking sucked, Beer Bad fricking sucks shit its terrible. They should've made Sunday a slayer turned vampire into the main villain of the season. Would've been so much better.
Something Blue was awesome though.
The whole Spike arc in that season was great.
And isn't that the season of Willow & Oz?
Oz leaves halfway through and hooks up with big titty lesbo during Hush.
Well ok, but at least he was there in the first half.
& the body switching episode is season 4 too.
Okay yes there are good episodes in Season 4. I just really dont like Season 4 or 6.
>the Thanksgiving episode fricking sucked, the Jonathan episode fricking sucked, Beer Bad fricking sucks shit its terrible
all wrong, those episodes are funny as frick
Because they turned Willow queer
That's the least of it,.but still a sore spot for a lot of fans due to how it was handled. Riley and the initiative are the biggest reasons most fans checked out. They wanted Buff with Angel and Riley was a cardboard cutout masquerading ad a college student. I know what they were going for: Captain America aw.shucks, ma'am mixed the charm of Clark Kent's farm boy, but that actor was too wooden to really be charming. He was so boring they tried to edge him up by giving him a vamp addiction but no one cared.
I rewatched a few years ago and it was better than I remembered.
I loved the finale when the gang gives their power to Buffy or something.
>Anya makes Xander tolerable
Xander was always the best.
crazy how everyone always thinks Primeval is the finale. it makes sense, but still.
I fricking loved Restless even if everything about it has now become overused and cringe. still a great episode. had a self-contained plot and yet connected to everything so far and (almost) everything after.
I don’t think season 5 would have hit as hard without that ep.
>Season 3
>Buffy
>Faith
Frick Alyson was really pretty.
>Frick Alyson was really pretty.
why did she always get nervous and ignored the subject when somebody named Buffy on Penn and Teller?
raped by joss whedon (who also drowned a toddler)
I love the
>and getting all OFFENDED by stuff
As if to suggest Anita isn't exactly like that and built a career around it.
You mean a guy who looks like a bald orangutan with a permanent rape face isnt a good guy? I am shocked mind you, shocked!
The first one probably.
Anya/Xander.
Joss Whedon.
Angel was consistently better.
Reminder Buffy spent half a season working at a fast food restaurant not doing anything.
Thats not true she was fricking Spike behind the dumpster.
Buffy is treated so badly by the show after her mother died.
And you. Have some fricking sympathy, Jesus Christ.
LMAO I FORGOT. Easily the funniest scene in the show when she’s laying there with her eyes open stiff as a board.
My wife and I joked about it the rest of our angel/buffy watch through. Good times.
>brought back to life to wageslave
I would've preferred staying dead too.
>We never got Faiths spin off show with prime Dushku because she made a shitty time travel show on FOX for two seasons that got cancelled.
Why even live?
It was a mistake. Eliza could've carried a new slayer show easily, and Faith is extremely well liked. They were working on a reboot with a black Buffy, bit after people pointed out that Kendra is RIGHT there, to stop race swapping the then show runner came out on Twitter and said something to the effect of
>You're right - It's time for a new slayer
Blah blah, and then the expose came out on Joss and that's the last anyone heard from it. That was years ago now. I think Buffy stuff will be dead for a while since Joss is so linked to it.
>the expose came out on Joss
Did he get metood or something?
Boy did he. It was actually worse than that. Let's see
>Everyone hates working with him
>Cornered James Marsters one day and threatened he'd kill his character cause he hated Spike so much(Network wouldn't allow it)
>There was apparently a rule on set that he wasn't allowed to be alone with Michelle Trachtenberg
>Multiple women have come out saying he was suggestive and mealy mouthed implied he'd get them farther if they scratched his back so to speak
>His wife(Ex now)put him on blast and said he acts like a big ol' feminist but he's anything but
There's a hell of a lot more and Joss admits to all of it, and some of the things he says in the interview I guess he thought would make him seem relatable but he just comes off like a manipulating psychopath with extreme confidence issues.
>hated Spike
He's dead to me now.
Spike was supposed to be a one off character. Audiences responded to him so much though that instead of killing him off like Joss intended, the network mandated him to stay. He was an immediate hit and this pissed Joss off cause he viewed Spike as a bully. He couldn't fathom why the audience liked him so much and Marsters on Michael Rosenbaums(Lex from Smallville)podcast answered the question of
>Was Joss really that bad
And for his part said he never saw any of the other stuff, but could only speak for himself. Said Joss cornered him and yelled at him and said it felt like a kid grabbing his ball and yelling he'd take it home.
>what's that?
>you say you were brought back from the dead unconsensually and ripped out of heaven?
>ah yes what a bummer
>well I've got to leave as a tough love measure so you will stop being so apathetic about life
>ta
>Favorite season?
3 and it's not even close.
How does Buffy compare to Firefly?
Buffy is super campy and light hearted half the time. It's more or less the bridge between Hercules/Xena and shows like Supernatural and Chilling Tales of Sabrina. Firefly is a lot less light hearted and more or less a passion project combining Japanese Scifi westerns and Lost Cause Americana.
Very inspired by things like Bebop and Outlaw Star as well. I think if Firefly had been allowed to continue it would've outstripped Buffy and Angel. As is, I think the highs of Buffy are the best of both, but Angel was more consistently good.
I just finished the 9th episode of Firefly, I've been taking my time with it because it only has 14 episodes. Maybe one or two whole lines of cringey Joss Whedon dialogue and I love the characters. Buffy still has to be better just because of how many more seasons it got. How is the movie Serenity?
It's fine but it definitely feels like
>Let's wrap it ALL up in one go!
Kind of thing, so for me at least, it was very unsatisfying. So unsatisfying that i have trouble going back and watching the show cause of what could've been.
>season
18
>character
Spork
>villain
Angle
Favorite season
>Season 2
Favorite character
>Spike
Favorite villain
>Ted
Early buffy is pretty hard to beat. Even the throw away monster of the week eps are stellar. One of my personal favorites being Ted. John Ritter just elevates anything he's in.
>Do you want me to slap that smart ass mouth of yours
>Who wants cookies?!
But like most long running shows it devolves in to something pretty bad. Willow acting like she's always been a lesbian really bothered me, it shit all over the memory of her and Oz and the fans that loved it. Also, the girl they chose to out her with is such an awful actress. She had one gear: Look like you're going to puke and call it acting. She'd be the worst character on the show if Kennedy hadn't shown up in the final hour and legit raped Willow. Like, actually forced herself on her and it's played as lovely. The later seasons still have some absolute bangers like Hush and Once More With Feeling, but the only real reason to watch after Glory is killed(The last good Big Bad)is Dawns tight tween ass.
Willow became a lesbian after Xander fricked another girl, and got molested by herself.
What did they mean by this
I didn't even mind them making Willow bi, but that's not what they did at all. They memory holed Oz and acted like Willow was ALWAYS gay, and they'd have her bring it up as much as they could
>Hello! GAY!
*Willow points to self*
That kind of shit infuriates me. It was also when I first realized that they'll allow a character to go gay, but never back the other way. I know Xander was supposed to be the one they made gay, and Buff was even talked about at one point, which given the closeness of her and Faith was RIGHT there. morons.
It was a mixture of them being scared it would be recieved as her being "cured" of gayness and going back to guys. It's funny to say now but people legit flipped shit about bisexuals in the 90's and early 00s the same way as they do about non binary people now.
The studio was totally against them making anyone gay or bi and the writing crew had to warm them up to it. Bisexuality was out of the question so they retconned Willow into being gay. It's ridiculous and the writers all stand by the idea that if it came out now she would just be bi.
I love Alyson Hannigan she was great on Buffy and How I Met Your Mother
>the same way as they do about non binary people now
That's made up though. Bisexuality is a very real thing. I had a parent at school tell me after seeing the ep where Willow blows the candle out with Tara
>We will NOT be watching that anymore as a family
But the vast majority of people I talked to were only mad cause she fricked Oz over and Tara was a drooling moron.
Anon trust me in the 90s and early 00s they said the same shit.
Bisexuality is a fad no one really is this
It's just a phase
If you frick dudes and are male you are gay not bi
Ect
This shit happens every decade and a half now, we went through a long moral panic in the early 00s too and before that it as the original gay hysteria/satanic panic of the 70s and 80s.
I grew up then and I know what you mean, I just don't think comparing it to something like non-binary helps. That shit isn't real. It's a made up term to go along with all of the other made up terms that bored white women in colleges have made up. Regardless, Buffy should've been with Faith. At the very least put Willow with a girl whilst also acknowledging a fan favorite character that was part of the original gang. I'm still mad about after all these years. I still dislike Tara and I remember the day she was shot my cousin called me and said
>Well, are you doing a jig yet
At least later seasons gave us Anya, who turned out to be an even better character than Xander as time went on and they didn't know what to do with him.
non-binary is binary opposite to the other woke shit. it's very clever ruse.
xander also did well in the end, superpower of learning a trade and holding down a job
>xander also did well in the end, superpower of learning a trade and holding down a job
He's still one of my favorite characters I just wish they'd done more with him. I liked in the comics where he was basically a Nick Fury, complete with an eyepatch.
Yeah Anya is the only thing that makes Xander tolerable.
Going back in I honestly didn't remember that much and at first thought that they were going to make him into an Evil Dead Ash esque character, I wasn't expecting him to become increasingly out of place and sucky.
At least they did a good job with Spike he is genuinely charming and grows on you hard throughout seasons 4 and 5. I didn't remember the early seasons that well so I really enjoyed when he shows up as a badass with Dru in season 2.
was the retcon of making Spike an incel pre-vampirism a way for Joss Whedon to take revenge?
>was the retcon of making Spike an incel pre-vampirism a way for Joss Whedon to take revenge?
Yeah, the William The Bloody stuff. I think so. Doesn't matter though, cause when you make a vampire so cool that your audience is rooting for him, while also giving him a past where he's killed two slayers and tortured people with railroad spikes, giving him a soft boy past doesn't matter. Just makes him even cooler if anything.
Like Wesley.
Wesley is so damn likeable. As is the guy that plays him. Met him and his wife Alyson at a con years ago. They talked to us for about 20min and never once asked us to buy something.
>Wesley
that character has somehow left my mind, completely erased, i'm reading the wikipedia and checking photos but i still have zero idea who he was and i watched all the episodes
He becomes important to Angel as well.
>the bad boy character with a soft side is getting too popular, how do I fix this?
>I know, I’ll show just how weak, bullied and vulnerable he used to be!
For a man that got lauded for writing women, I don’t think he understands them much. I wonder how much credit he deserves and how much was the other executive writers wrangling him.
It's hilarious. Spike consistently stays at the top of people lists. Marsters owned it. He just made him great no matter the storyline. He added things during scenes that apparently weren't part of the script either: Like when he tears off to Buffys house with a sawed off shotgun with every intention of killing her, he finds her vulnerable and weeping. The script called for him to just sit there in silence, but he made the decision to slowly put his hand on her like a wounded animal. A monster with no soul that remembered what it used to be like being a man. Great fricking scene.
he also narrates audiobooks and does voices for all the characters dialogue
That's dope, I hadn't heard of that. I had no idea there were Buff audio books. At one time I was so into the show I taped every ep and had the Slayer handbook. Which had behind the scenes stuff and listed every track from every band for seasons 1&2. I think Marsters should have had a bigger career. He's talented as hell.
He’s absolutely one of the top tier audiobook narrators. He knows just when to cut loose, which is a nice change from the usual
>he shouted (calmly)
You tend to hear due to the narrator not knowing how to shout without straining their voice
For me, it's Peter Kenny. He does a fantastic satyr/goatman voice in the first Witcher book that really sounds like a talking goat
For me it’s Jonathan Keeble. Being able to do a better angry Yorkshireman than Brian Blessed is an amazing feat
>I wonder how much credit he deserves and how much was the other executive writers wrangling him.
Look to his other work and... yeah. Loves blaming others.
Ironic if true since that only made many fangirls love him more. I don't know about that part, but the out of character attempted rape plot has 100% character assassination.
So Buffy had Spike that was a charismatic shithead villain that everybody loved, and they killed his character on purpose.
And DS9 had Dukat that was a charismatic shithead villain that everybody loved, and they killed his character on purpose.
Why cant we have nice things? Why must they do this?
both Dukat and Garak deserved more, their characters kind of deflated in the last seasons
spike/dru was a bit emo in the middle
thats just how punks work
>enjoyed when he shows up as a badass with Dru in season 2
>Yoo*laughs in between*oou were thay'eeerr?
>If every vampire that said he was at the crucifixion was ACTUally thay'ere..
>It would've been like Woodstock
I love him.
I really liked his redemption arc. And he stole the show in Angel, imo.
>And he stole the show in Angel, imo.
Eh, it undermined his sacrifice in the Buffy finale, his reasoning for not leaving to go after the love of his life is spurious, and his personality/behavior is like a one-dimensional parody of who he was in Buffy. He had his moments, but he was basically just comic relief.
But we know better now
I.e, that all women are "bisexual", meaning they will frick anything they find attractive and makes them feel attractive.
And "bi" men are male nymphomaniacs that managed to be pornbrained even before the internet
Remember, its a slippery slope but people dont perceive it as such because cuckservatives only conserve and cement the globohomosexual values that the shitlibs enacted last time they got to power
In 30 years we are going to treat pedophilia the same way
>In the 2020s we had this big troony scare and look how well we turned out, and now the same chuds are protesting consenting children without their parents approval
seth green barely counts anyway
I don't love any other character he's ever played, cause he was always just kind of there. Inoffensive, but Oz was and is a great character. He was acted well my Seth Green as well even though he's a manlet extraordinaire. That time he's getting thrown around by the Jekyll and Hyde character and then the sun goes down and Oz looks up while his belly, his eyes black and replies
>Times up
>Rules change
Is DOPE
Well written lad. He didnt say or do much but they didnt really try to hype him up as something extra either. That mostly meant they couldnt frick with his characterization too much either, so when he did something it was in character no matter what
>I know Xander was supposed to be the one they made gay
I've never heard this theory, but it does kinda makes. He always reeked of overcompensation.
>Season 5 hands down. It’s not even close.
>Faith
>Glory
Glory really was the last good overarching bad guy for Buffy in my opinion. The last time the show had balls to show Giles being as cold as he was capable of during his Ripper days as well.
s5 was a masterpiece. Great writing, depth, great villain, it was just the show at the top of its form.
Buff threads always die. Feels bad, man.
there have been threads that hit bump limit but there seem to be fewer and fewer of those each year
Millenials are aging out of Cinemaphile.
Plus Buffy is a show with a female lead and arguably the second most important character is Willow a "lesbian" (bi) witch.
Of course it's not going to be as popular with the traditional cath larper crowd.
>cath larper crowd
Wat
He might be referring to "traditional/catholic" or "nuclear family" values, which is now counter culture and thus is more prevalent on Cinemaphile than other internet outlets. I don't think anyone dislikes when girls kiss girls though
I think his suggestion that simply because it's female led it would be hated is moronic as well. Current shows are just so shit that if they're female led, you know exactly what that means. Zero character development. Zero struggle. Etc. Buffy resonated with boys/men and girls/women alike. Modern writers just don't know how to write a female character.
>nuclear family" values, which is now counter culture
Strange times.
he's talking about tradcath MUH KVLT larpers who decided to become ultra nationalist christians two weeks ago and worship based trump more than jesus and have never beeen to church
You losers have been saying this for ten years. Do you ever stop jerking yourselves off over the fact that this site became infested with incels and boomers?
While season 1 is enjoyable season 2 on is solid
2&3 are peak classic buffy 4-6 are also great.
Agreed, it's honestly shocking how much information they drop in the one offs as well. The John Ritter episode is wild, I totally forgot about it so it w as s a nice surprise.
You seem really upset that someone pointed out an obvious an observable fact.
why is it I have the uncontrollable urge to aggressively jerk off 5 times a day? stop posting buffy threads it is too much!
haha
Favorite season 1-2
Favorite character - Buffy (duh!)
Favorite Character that is not Buffy - Faith, Giles, Xander
Favorite villain - Spike
Does this show get any good? After the computer virus and the hyenas episodes I had to drop it. Cringe.af
If you didn't like those it's probably not for you. The Pack is one of the best Xander eps. RIP Mr Flutie. I'd suggest an even better show: Farscape, but you seem to be allergic to kino.
I didn't care for the hyena episode the first time I saw it. It was one of those episodes that I only appreciated the second time I saw it.
I loved it immediately. Especially the slow mo scene where the pack is walking up the hill while Job's Eyes plays. That's back when the music was just as important to Buffy as the cast and the script was. They should've never have moved away from the Bronze and showcasing up and coming or underground music. I always watched early Buff with a notepad out for when the WB guy would say
>You've been listening toooo: Reluctant Man by Sprung Monkey
I discovered so many good bands through the show, including Cibbo Matto.
We keep telling you it gets better in season two, and then peaks in season three. Season one was the pilot.
People said season 7 was bad except the finale. I liked it up until the last 4 episodes and the finale was terrible. I can't believe Xander was making jokes 5 minutes after Anya died. He should have pushed that homosexual Andrew over the cliff. I also wish they killed Faith instead of sending her to prison so we could get a new secondary slayer every season. She only came back to frick the black principal and did nothing else.
I barely remember anything after season 5 cause that's usually when I stop my rewatches. I'm currently on season 2 with the missus - we're on The Judge ep where Brian Thompson comes back. This will probably be the last time I watch it all the way through again.
>Favorite season?
2
>Favorite character?
Season 1-3 Willow
>Favorite villain?
Spike
buffy's sister > drusilla > the witch > cordelia > anya > faith > buffy >>>> tara >>>>>> all the other scrubs
Tara shouldn't even make the list. If rather frick the slayer handbook over that moron faced b***h.
that is very accurate but
>Dru > Willow > Spike > Harmony > Cordy
etc. can't judge trachtenberg cause pete & pete.
Dracula should have been a main seasonal villain. Put Buffy on the back bench for at least half a season because of the thralldom and have Giles be a Van Helsing proxy with the other scoobies.
Instead he was a joke character for one ep. Oh well.
They didn't have the budget to keep Dracula on cast.
They were a pretty popular show at the time and I think he could've been set up at the Big Bad for leading to a showdown for the final ep, similar to the Master in season 1.
>been set up at the start as the Big Bad
That's what I get for hitting send like it owed me child support.
Dracula is an A-lister. Back then real actors never appeared in shows more than just an episode or two unless their career was failing.
Yeah, that actor was big at the time. Should have cast someone else then. Another up and comer like David Boreanaz or James Marsters.
I have no idea about the actor. I'm talking about Dracula.
I see.
IIRC he does more in the comic,
He's mostly used for comic relief in the comics., which is a pity. Outside of a few series, the comics are not very good at all. The Angel/Faith spinoff was nice though. They rebooted Buffy in comic form a few years ago, those weren't very good either but better than the original comics. Naturally, a young version of Robin Wood was a student at Sunnydale high and Buffy's love interest.
I am only watching it for the first time now, just reached S4. So far I think overall the Master was the best big bad. The mayor was kind of obnoxious. Snyder was better.
The best character so far is Spike for sure, and I know his real arc hasnt even started yet. But when he comes back all mopey and hangs out with Joyce asking for marshmallows and pretend-biting her just to frick with Angel, that shit was hilarious
They only have a few scenes together, but Joyce and Spike is the best relationship on the show.
wait, seth green was in buffy?
I don't remember him at all!
He was the last member that officially made it the Scooby Gang. He owned the van.
Dracula could have replaced Adam in season 4 or the trio in season 6. In the fourth season, the theme could have been that Buffy was overwhelmed by the pressure of college and was an easy target for Dracula's influence, prompting greater involvement from the gang to save her. Stretch the thralldom of Buffy and Xander out of several episodes.
In season 6, a depressed Buffy could easily have turned into a dark Buffy under his influence. Dark Buffy would have been better than Dark Willow imho.
cordelia had nice torpedo breasts, she was good as a milf in veronica mars too
She looked delicious in that spandex cat outfit in the Halloween ep where Ethan(Best side character villain!)starts the costume shop as a front to pray to Janus and frick things up. Her ass as she walks away from Oz jiggles all over the place, and looks even better in HD.
>Buffy, our adventures over the years here in the town of Sunnydale have brought me to a regrettable conclusion. The red-haired israeliteess you consort with, is more dangerous than we both realised. I fear that one day, she will bring a great doom upon the realm of California. I know Willow is your friend, but for the good of the kingdom, she must die, Buffy - and you must be the one to slay her. We cannot allow magic to further corrupt our efforts against the darkness. Oh, and beware of the village idiot Xander. I fear that oaf's childhood friendship and devotion to the sorceress far outstrips any hormonal feelings he may have for you. Best to dispose of him too, while you're at it.
>Favorite villain?
Caleb was cool, despite season 7 being horseshit
6
Buffy
Angelus
I understand the hate s6 gets, it's about everyone being laid low by life, but that is the reality of early adulthood for lots of people myself included so I connected with it.
S6 is all character development all the time and I respect the hell out of it.
Also it's got Once More with Feeling
>Once More with Feeling
Top 10 for me. Tip 5 for some I'm sure. What an entertaining ep, man. I think Spikes let me rest and Buff's I want the fire are my favorite songs.
>Favourite season?
Four
>Favourite character?
Tie between Spike and Willow
>Favourite villain?
Glory
Has anyone listened to the Slayers: a Buffyverse story podcast? Many of the old actors provide voicework.
I like how this show is completely unwatchable now, just like modern shows. People were just as moronic then as they are now.
Will they ever release a watchable remaster of the early seasons?
Season Sneed, Christmas Carpenter, Sneed.
Seasons 1-3 are still a lot of fun, doesn't take itself too seriously yet. Watched it again early this year and holy shit the quality tanking from seasons 3 to 4 is worse than I remembered. The show is not good at handling serious issues like it thinks it is. It comes off insanely farcical, and having her complain about her life as a college student just doesn't work as well as a high schooler.
They completely fricked up the formula after season 3.
they did, but they also had the professor woman leave halfway through, so that made them change all their plans for the season. still not a very good overarching plotline with muh gubmint schlock, but I guess the idea of it just being some vampire felt stale to them.
there had to be a better idea, some college based allegory.
counterpoint, we got more spike
xander was one of those characters that was very uneven, when they allowed him to do stuff he was great but they played up the gormless loser angle wayyy too often, even if they allowed him to frick a few hot women here and there. I mean he canonically had soldier training and was still completely useless in 99% of scenarios. We dont need a Rambo-lite for him to do useful stuff like traps and tactics, or better yet, just give him a fricking gun
S4 veers way too hard into tackling "real issues" and having their characters "grow up" but like you say, its like watching iCarly most of the time.
Probably 2, maybe 3. Spike.
1 or 2
Angel
… Angel
And yet Wesley is the best character in Angel
season 5
CHADNDER (xander)
Angelus
DIdn't watch any
Don't know any
Don't know any
Everyone is thread is fricking gay. Imagine watching a girl show. Frick.
>OMG IS THAT A GIRL'S NAME IN THE TITLE AND A FEMALE AS THE PROTAGONIST OF THE SHOW I'M GOING INSAAAAAANE
I LIVED MY LIFE IN SHAAADOWS
NOW IM BATHING IN LIGHT
SOMETHING JUST ISN'T RIIIIGHT
IM UNDER YOUR SPELL
HOW ELSE COULD IT BE
Favourite song from musical episode?
>Favorite season?
3, which is odd because I hated season 3 when it was released and stopped watching Buffy because of the shitty party episode with the mask.
>Favorite character?
I like the quiet.
>Favorite villain?
The Mayor