>But I paid five thousand dollars to be a woman. This would mean I I'm not really a woman. Ih, I'm just a... a I'm just a guy with a mutilated penis!
>But I paid five thousand dollars to be a woman.
>But I paid five thousand dollars to be a woman. This would mean I I'm not really a woman. Ih, I'm just a... a I'm just a guy with a mutilated penis!
Should've waited
>Sep 11
You're such a israelite.
That's disgusting. It still doesn't make it any more real than an inverted penis.
That's still carving a wound into healthy flesh. It does not have any of the tissues and parts a real vegana has. It will never be or become a vegana.
NOW I CAN GET AN ABORTION
This episode was based for calling out SRS as the quackery that it is. I dont hate trannies but genital mutilation is a terrible solution
Why don't I hear about work on a drug that would reduce or eliminate the dysphoria?
There have been a couple of very promising ones but they were quickly buried.
Buried? Wouldn't a drug be the less expensive and invasive option?
Yes. Which is exactly why they were buried.
Transgender """therapy""" is big money. A victim is essentially a forever patient damned to take all manner of pills for the rest of their life, ultimately leading up to horrible cosmetic surgeries to mutilate the body. As a bonus promoting this debauchery has gained main stream public approval insulting the business from backlash. And to top it all off any negative consequences for the patient, up to and including suicide, can be brushed off as societies fault for not fully accepting this madness.
Circumcision is basically no different and yet yanks eat it up like trans fats and high fructose corn syrup
Circumcision isn't a money maker and it doesn't ruin lives it just makes sex less pleasurable which is fricked up but not anywhere near as bad as the troony stuff.
I don't why people bring this up as a point like it's even comparable.
Most of the world doesn't even partake in it, it really is just a US/Canada thing.
>it really is just a US/Canada thing
Nah man, also happens a lot in islamic countries and probably other religion-obsessed shitholes as well.
Then let me correct myself, most first world countries outside of those two don't partake in it.
Meaning there is very good chance that the person you bring this point up to online, in response to the horrors of troonydom, doesn't agree nor partake in its practice.
If you try to ban circumcision the ADL will call you a Nazi
Circumcision numbers dropped like a rock when it stopped being offered for free a few years ago, I believe.
>Transgender """therapy""" is big money.
Aren't they like .2% of the population? How much money could that net them?
Some X0 billion dollars annually
>Gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers!
More than Hollywood.
It's a medical industry. Please be this angry about cancer treatment and dialysis.
No, because they don't sell results to mentally ill morons who decided to mutilate their bodies for something that they'll never, ever, ever be
It's a israeli scam, and the literal definition of harm.
No, I will not pretend to tolerate it, and will actively support all efforts to make it a criminal offense.
There's documented proof that it consistently works for people. You don't have a good feeling about it, possibly because you hate israelites, and now you aim to make people suffer for your suspicions.
Cancer treatment is drawn out and has the incentives to squeeze patients. Dialysis is mostly a scam that keeps people needing dialysis when other options would benefit the patient more. Pointing to groomers and pedos is just conspiracy theory thinking and ignores the studies and stats.
I'll have to look into that one. You turning it into something worse than people following studies and accepting people so they don't kill themselves is ideologically driven.
It has never worked a single time.
Why are you resistant to taking pimozide if it could lead to your gender identity comporting to your lives experience without surgical intervention. Shouldn't that be the first, least invasive treatment option and a mandatory step of due diligence before "affirming" a belief that is not biologically accurate through surgeries put forth by a medical industrial complex you yourself think is amoral and profit driven for making people in need of costly long term care.
If it doesn't work you could do something else. If it does work, you have your life back. Why do you not want that. How is not wanting that not an irrational thought of a ln unwell mind.
>Why do you not want that. How is not wanting that not an irrational thought of a ln unwell mind.
Because when you're in that mindset, you don't want to be cured, you just want others to affirm your delusions.
If it had a larger group with the same results it would be fine.
You're asking a crackhead why they're choosing crack over treatment.
Trannies don't want to be helped, they want their delusions to be real, even though that's impossible.
Because the evidence seems to be a single case study on a single patient taken over 25 years ago and not followed up on since. (A case study that seems to have treated the patient's gender dysphoria as a manifestation of monosymptomatic delusions, something that is rare among trans people.) Compared to dozens, if not hundreds of studies taken over the course of years that finds transitioning (both social and medical) to be an effective treatment to dypshoria.
That being said, I wouldn't mind someone making the argument for more studies to be done, specifically for the long term effects of pimozide on gender dysphoric patients. That would be completely valid. But simply giving people antipsychotics, even if they don't exhibit psychotic symptoms, seems like a bad idea.
Cancer treatment and dialysis benefits people, all the troony medical industry does benefits is groomers and pedophiles
We're all angry about cancer being treated as for-profit.
Difference is, when I say that, I don't get annoying moronic white people jumping down my throat to call me cancerphobic.
This is an estimate that says if every troony could afford To transition that how much the industry would be worth. I'm pretty sure 70% can't afford it.
Each one is hundreds of thousands of dollars over their lifetime just from the shit directly related to transitioning, let alone any complications that come up. Each one is a whale of a wallet dropping almost chemotherapy amounts on multiple unnecessary, cosmetic surgeries and following drugs to keep them stable.
All you have to do is normalize calling a guy a girl when he wears a dress and that all goes away.
>muh slippery slope
It's right there in the name, gender affirming surgery, if we had a society that didn't give a shit and demand people look like our ideas of gender, the "I'll be killed for using the wrong bathroom" thoughts go away mostly.
>Make gender a meaningless non descriptor
Already is
>Ignore objective reality and let men in the women's locker room to flash the girlwiener at children
pimozide time
>All you have to do is normalize calling a guy a girl when he wears a dress and that all goes away
Or they could accept they have an unhealthy body image and self-esteem and go to an actual psychiatrist about repairing that to return to normalcy rather than demanding all of society bends over backwards for them.
No your fricking moron.
The moment you say that a biological aspect of life like male and female is malleable that's when you open the door to every other biological absolute being questionable and capable of being adjusted by will.
What if I identify as a different race?
What if I identify as a different age?
What if I identify as a different species?
If you are going to argue that one's sex is completely arbitrary then you have to argue the rest are too.
The trans movement is just the step before your legalize pedophilia because age is just a part of identity, children are capable of consent, and you're a bigot for insulting a personality quirk someone has no control over.
Thats why he didnt use term male and female, thats why gender theory separates gender from sex. No troony is working to change theor sex you dolt.
>Thats why he didnt use term adult and children, thats why chronhomosexual theory separates chronoidentity from age. No MAP is working to change theor age you dolt.
So just say people over 18 shouldnt have sex with people under 18. It doesnt matter what people call themselves.
Like we can say a man shouldn't enter women's bathroom or compete in women sports? Oh wait
No, we said people with such and such concentration of testosterone cant compete in womens categories. I forgot the name of that south african chick which had issues due to having too high testosterone to compete. Point is you are again bound by words, whereas pedophilia can be easily quanyified in age difference.
But what if I identify as a 14 year old?
You can identify as being a "child", i.e. having a specific label if you show that people over 18 can act like kids, but cant ever be 14 years old.
So could someone that identifies as a child habe sex with another child despite their age being over the age of 18?
Are you not seeing the inherent problem with this perspective?
No, if you say that people over 18 cant have sex with people under 18, and thats it.
Well that's certainly agephobic isn't it anon. How can you say someone can't identify as a different age if you can identify as a different gender? Tsk tsk tsk you bigot
No, you can identify with being a child, but if say that law is based around years of life the its not important if youre a "child", or "adult"
Because it's entirely possible for someone's physical characteristics to develop differently than their mental characteristics, but it's not possible for people to age differently. Or develop into a different race. There's just no mechanism for it. But the development of sexual dimorphism has plenty of room to veer outside of the accepted norm.
What happens if a man has "mental characteristics" of a women, but isn't stupid enough to believe that makes him a woman?
Would you consider him a woman, in spite of his understanding?
I don't think you can force anyone to live any particular way. If a woman whose lived as a woman all her life finds out she has Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, XY chromosomes and underdeveloped testes in her body, are you going to start shouting that she's actually a man and to force her to live as one? I mean, the genitalia and chromosomes would confirm it.
Genuinely, I don't think it's a simple yes/no equation. Sex and sexual development isn't that simple.
Couldn't someone just get surgery to make themselves look younger or look a different race, or tan/whiten their skin to look a different race?
>gender theory separates gender from sex
The problem with that is that the terms man and women, pronouns like he and she, and the very concepts of masculinity and femininity are all tied to the real scientifically observable trait of Sex. You literally cannot disregard the validity of any of those terms without calling into question the idea of biological sex. If this was all about identity and swlf expression men would still be men and women would still be women. At it's core the trans movement is scientifically flawed and no different than flat earth theory or young earth theory.
There are obviously people who dont behave as their sexual archetype, and i dont mean it in a sexual(reproductive sexuality that is) way. Stuff like being assertive, active, agressive for men, and being forgiving, fearful or empathic for women. So there is obviously something more to it than just your organs.
>Men and can be feminine and women can be masculine
No shit Sherlock, but that still doesn't make a feminine Man a Woman or a masculine Woman a Man.
>The trans movement is just the step before your legalize pedophilia
How so? It's a gender issue, it's not even about marital rights or anything like sodomy laws
You don't seem to have much reading comprehension.
The answer to your question is in the post you're replying to.
There's a limit to the individual issue. You'd have better luck saying you need to fight the freedom of religion because that leads to pedophilia. That makes more sense even though it's still wrong.
This. This isn't like being gay or lesbian. This is the left trying to convince you up is down,down is up and whatever they tell you is true.
It's them trying to convince you not to be autistic about feminine and masculine identities.
Then why do trans peoole insist on being identified by the wrong biological identifyers?
Feminine and Masculine traits don't define whether you are a man or a woman. Your DNA does.
It doesn't, we call people men or women based on how we see them or even based off of voice alone. Characters, aliens, robots, and everything in the Spanish language assumes gender based on surface information regardless of the DNA or if DNA is even in the thing.
>Characters, aliens, robots
Are you seriously conflating fictional characters that are anthropomorphized for the sake of human relatability as an argument for why man and women are not defined by their sex traits but by their personality traits? Disregarding that failure if logistical reasoning. No we do not define men and women based on their appearance or their personality. It has always been defined by their genitalia which is linked to their biology, i.e. DNA. Before the advent of the trans movement men is dresses were still called men. Actors in theater that played women were still seen and percieved as men playing a role.
Biological identifiers are male and female. In gender theory man and woman encompass social norms.
>man and woman encompass social norms.
Ooof
That's why i said in gender theory. Kinda like biology tells us that tomatoes are fruits, even though we group them with vegetables.
Have you ever considered that gender theory is inherently flawed?
To be honest, not that its flawed per se, but that its superfluous, in the sense that transsexual people are chasing a label instead of tangible goals (no matter how far fetched), like having a beard, or having breasts, changing your name etc. Some goals are of course impossible, like reproductive role.
A philosophical question is then, if you were to grant all these things to a trans person, would they care about their label/pronoun? Should they care? A question for us would be, if medicine manages to create passable trans people easily, arent they then just sterile women/impotent men?
From a practical standpoint, less resources need to be used to help them not care about labels, than rest of society.
All this troony shit is largely autistic, which is why it's mainly pushed by autistic white people and Americans.
This is absolutely true. Massive profit off troony lunatics and none of it is covered by medical insurance.
[citation needed]
You don't need a citation to know that the cost between transition and not is tens of thousands of dollars versus zero.
Have they released an official apology for this episode yet?
>correlation means causation! my conspiracy theories I made up out of nowhere are correct!
What fricking "correlation means causation"?
I literally just stated the obvious. There is no money to be spent in medical care if you choose not to be a troony.
But that doesn't make those guys any money so why would they wanna tell the truth if they are in a position where they can so easily lie about it?
>There is no money to be spent in medical care if you choose not to be a troony.
So you're just gonna assume there are drugs being developed in secret and deliberately sabotaged based on... again, nothing at all
>in secret and deliberately
They're being developed and used out in the open, it's called HRT and there's nothing secretive about it.
Again, the cost for that would be zero dollars if you chose not to troon out.
So who's burying them?
Doctors who wanna make more money and members of the LGBT community who don't wanna be confronted with the truth
>I literally just stated the obvious. There is no money to be spent in medical care if you choose not to be a troony
They are still a troony even if they don't take surgery or drug's
The Brazilian cosmetics industry qrdanon says otherwise. The trans trend is manufactured. Autogynephillia isn't even the same thing as dysphoria, but ~~*acceptance*~~ of plastic surgery addiction as a cure for body image issues implanted or otherwise is the long term goal here. A lot of cosmetic procedures will be trojan horsed into being "medical care" by troons and you're too deluded to know your suffering is being weaponed. Moreso you're unpaid jannisaries of the cargocult and rope others into your misery through grooming, turning you from victim into abuser yourself.
No they aren't, at best they're someone with gender dysphoria, which is something that even TRAs say is not necessary to have in order to be trans.
>Have they released an official apology for this episode yet?
With Trey's increasingly dropping testosterone levels due to his age and the trend he's set with apologies for ManBearPig and Token you can be sure he's going to apologise for this as well.
>I dont have a source I just know
You lose.
see
we're asking about the supposed miracle drugs you mentioned, anon. not even a single name?
NTA, but pimozide.
Same drug used to treat schizophrenia
Yes, it's called therapy and not consuming pornography at a young age.
source nao
Source: bro, trust me
Several schizophrenia meds and other antipsychotics cause complete sensation of desire to crossdress. Testosterone supplements instead of cancer causing female hormones also improve mood and solve body image issues while comporting with this thing called reality.
>Several schizophrenia meds and other antipsychotics cause complete sensation of desire to crossdress. Testosterone supplements instead of cancer causing female hormones also improve mood and solve body image issues while comporting with this thing called reality
Source
You could just google it and find the answer easily, moron
You make claim you provide source
>J-JUST SPOONFEED ME ALREADY CHUD!!
How about no
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8839957/
If you took 2 mg of pimozide you wouldn't be a troon and the musical industry couldn't sell you a $90,000 bottom surgery.
Now move those goalposts with the if else command of your programmed response.
>an adult male patient
This was a study on one patient. This looks more like a scam to sell pimozide.
>This was a study on one patient
Yeah, and? Still proves it was effective, and you will still never be a real woman.
It doesn't prove it's effective. You don't check the faith system of lottery winners to see which religions are correct and taking a sample size of one doesn't mean much. It's worth testing and looking into. Also the therapy and other factors that could change with dosage need to be considered.
pimozide is an antipsychotic. It works the same as it always does with delusions. You should get it prescribed for an off label use and see for yourself.
>Uh, ahem source
>Gets source
>Now move those goalposts with the if else command of your programmed response.
Like pottery
Trying to employ critical theory makes you look like a midwit anon
All the studies showing troony surgery as effective won't change your mind but you're trying to get people to accept that one is a good sample size.
Because all those studies are funded by and/or researched by pro-trans groups. Tell me, why would any of those groups publish something that goes against their beliefs?
Neither of the two researchers from
are affiliated with any groups related to transness.
But 4/5 doctors agree lucky strike improves your breathing. You aren't doubting thescience™ are you anon?
What's the source on them all being pro-trans groups? If it's isolated stats and studies that then get waved around by groups that find them useful, compare the stats and studies from other sources. If you're going to conclude that every source is compromised but the ones that agree with you, you're exposing your own bias.
That's a good place to start, I'd like to see more studies with a larger sample size than just one.
Source? They know they aren't being turned into biological women.
>They know they aren't being turned into biological women.
Have you not watched the lynchain masterpiece that is "I am Jazz"?
Do you know the way pozzed dictionaries got around the definition "Woman: adult female human"?
They redefined female to include men who think they're women.
They'll never become biological women, but they're definitely trying to make us believe that they are.
They know they aren't becoming biological women. They even talk about their pregnancies and periods, they don't pretend they don't exist because they're trans.
>SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE??
I'm half-convinced you don't actually give a shit at what people throw your way, considering you completely ignored
.
Why the frick should anyone have to spoonfeed you on stuff that only takes one google search when there's a very high chance you'll just toss it aside?
>Requiring sources is bad now
You willfully ignore them when provided and expected to be spoonfed on stuff that takes one google search to find out for yourself.
>You willfully ignore them when provided
Counter arguments have been made here and in general your sources are never convincing.
Sorry here's the counter argument
>accuses study of trying to sell pimozide when the alternative is selling an entire lifestyle
Again, most pro-trans studies are conducted by and/or funded by pro-trans groups. It only takes seconds to pull up the history for the names of the people behind those studies, which I'm sure you have plenty of. This is not something that needs to be spoonfed to you.
John's Hopkins put a moratorium on trans surgeries for a reason, even though they're responsible for their rise as a "treatment." It doesn't improve outcomes or even self reported happiness beyond the first few years.
The big problem with not being able put it away on a shelf as a fetish is the irreparable harm it causes to social standing and legitimate dysphoria later in life when these feeling wane as the cracks show in the physical. Being an effeminate crossdresser in private is one thing, but taking it out of the bedroom makes it a coercive fetish deriving sexual pleasure through the involuntary involvement of others, violating their consent.
Someone who gets fricked in the ass in a dress in private can continue life as normal otherwise, taking it to the extremes of cosmetic surgery always has longterm negative outcomes to mental and physical health and all of society can't constantly affirm someone who can't even look on the mirror.
The "normal" ones viewing this as fetish likely will detransition later in life. Cinemaphile has a soft spot for linetrap, who is gay, attracted to men, and looked enough like a girl. Never wanted to snip the dick or think they're a girl and traps aren't gay. When the cracks show I hope they don't bogg themselves and just become an old queen with their stable enough monogamous relationship. The clown show there begins when they get reviled by the troons over it.
Ella Hollywood is another coming to grips with the fact they're just a boy that derives sexual pleasure from getting bullied by women. Life would likely be easier if that wasn't public knowledge, but beds made. No coming back from getting your butt peed in on camera.
There has never been a successful sex reassignment surgery, and every cope stemming from that is a nonsensical mess of internal contradictions.
>>Uh, ahem source
>>Gets source
>>Now move those goalposts with the if else command of your programmed response.
>Like pottery
>Trying to employ critical theory makes you look like a midwit anon
How is this using critical theory?
How does pointing out flaws in a study equate to goalpost moving?
Critical theory is holding no position and nitpicking someone else's position, flitting from getting btfo by attacking a statement or aspect of a source while holding no counterpoint of your own. IE what you're doing. It's the debate tact of midwits and it's counter is laughing at you. Take the pimozide and prove us wrong m8, it's potential side effects aren't anywhere near as bad as dilating or the complications from your fistful of mood stabilizers and SSRIs
The position can be based on the studies that show there's more support fo gender affirming care than one patient of pimozide. The counter point is that there are studies with larger sample size than one. It's not a debate tactic, it's just laying out facts. You spinning this into something else is more the "critical theory" you're talking about.
>Critical theory is holding no position and nitpicking someone else's position, flitting from getting btfo by attacking a statement or aspect of a source while holding no counterpoint of your own.
Is this definition of "critical theory" something that you just made up or does it have actual usage anywhere?
And What's wrong with it?
>Is critical theory critical theory
That's literally all of critical theory. It's just Socratic debate for morons. No need to hold a stance, just attack someone else's to define your worldview. Get btfo? Non sequitur, attack the source, make the other guy defend your strawman. Ironic considering the concept of the reactionary from the same schools. It's peak midwit and you can see it at work like a script out of every intellectual welterweight.
Very easy to do, just ask question and pick apart the answers. The core problem is it doesn't mean anything as it rejects the idea of objective truth.
>That's literally all of critical theory.
Give me a source for that definition l. Show me you didn't make it up
>That's literally all of critical theory. It's just Socratic debate for morons. No need to hold a stance, just attack someone else's to define your worldview. Get btfo? Non sequitur, attack the source, make the other guy defend your strawman. Ironic considering the concept of the reactionary from the same schools. It's peak midwit and you can see it at work like a script out of every intellectual welterweight.
>Very easy to do, just ask question and pick apart the answers. The core problem is it doesn't mean anything as it rejects the idea of objective truth.
Where is this definition taken from?
What's wrong with attacking sources? Where is the non sequitur?
Attacking a source without counter source and without refuting the material claim of the source is a logical fallacy. "Yeah well" is not refutation.
And in this case, the drug is has been used for a half a century in treating delusions disorder, which is synonymous with trooning out. The muh hekkin sample size argument holds no water, it's a case report of the drug doing what it says on the tin in a situation it's used for consistently. One the medical industry out of pure Cohencidence hasn't picked up on in no way connected to it meaning a customer doesn't need a $20,000 yearly supply of hrt.
>One the medical industry out of pure Cohencidence hasn't picked up on in no way connected to it meaning a customer doesn't need a $20,000 yearly supply of hrt
Provide an actual price comparison
>And in this case, the drug is has been used for a half a century in treating delusions disorder, which is synonymous with trooning out.
Do you have a study showing they are yhe same disorder, or is this just a hypothesis?
DSM says so
>Take the pimozide and prove us wrong m8, it's potential side effects aren't anywhere near as bad as dilating or the complications from your fistful of mood stabilizers and SSRIs
>Everyone I disagree with is a troony.
To be fair, I cannot picture a normal person defending this position so adamantly unless they're a troony themselves.
This isn't an adamant defense. It takes seconds to read the article and notice the flaws.
And it only takes seconds from a normal perspective to see the flaws in trans ideology.
Like?
A man cannot become a woman and vise verse with no amount of surgery being able to alter the chromosomes responsible for determining your sex.
This is not a hard concept to wrap your head around.
>A man cannot become a woman and vise verse with no amount of surgery being able to alter the chromosomes responsible for determining your sex.
>This is not a hard concept to wrap your head around
If chromosomes determine sex, why are there women?
A dumb question made by a dumb person.
Why are there XY women if chromosomes determine sex?
Typo
>XY women
The frick are you talking about? Do you mean XXY?
In that case, that's a genetic abnormality that doesn't warrant changing the way we view gender, especially for those who aren't intersex.
>The frick are you talking about? Do you mean XXY?
>In that case, that's a genetic abnormality that doesn't warrant changing the way we view gender, especially for those who aren't intersex
Why not?.
It's a genetic abnormality that happens EXTREMELY rarely.
We don't suddenly change the way we assume how many fingers each hand has, just because some people are born with less than five fingers per hand, do we? Because it's a nonsensical thing to do.
How are hands and sex comparable?
Because their structures are both dependent on genetics.
If someone has 1 leg, are they no longer human?
Is it a requirement to be human, or a general description?
Apples to oranges, you are very much moronic and need to be handheld at every instance.
How so?
Mate, just frick off at this point. If you can't even meet halfway and actually try and understand what the other person is saying then maybe your better off not discussing this at all.
All he did was say the comparison was bad when he brought it up in the first place
No, all his conversation has amounted to at this point is some variant of "How?". He doesn't hold an actual position for a proper back-and-forth and therefore there's no reason to continue this conversation.
You brought up the comparison of legs and chromosomes.
If it's apples to oranges, then why bring it up?
Humans have disabilities. They aren't defined by their disabilities.
We don't define humans as "primates that have zero, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, or more fingers per hand, and zero, one, two, three, four or more thumbs per hand, and zero, one, two, three, four, five, six, or more legs, and...."
Sex is defined by the contents of the sex chromosomes.
Gender is defined by nothing at all.
Which one should we should we care more about... Hmmmm....
Humans aren't defined by fingers
>Sex is defined by the contents of the sex chromosomes
If it's defined by that, how can there be exceptions?
How about you prove that gender is an actually useful tool for societal categorization.
So useful that it should subsume the words and concepts of an entirely different system of categorization.
Sex works without error for >99% of humans.
Those that it becomes complicated for, deserve some research to make their situation better.
Sex also works for >99% of the troony population. Trannies are not people with sexual defects; they're stupid, misinformed, or deluded.
Phenotype sex and genotype sex are defined separately
If someone is born with 1 leg they aren't considered a perfectly healthy or normal human they have a disability. That also doesn't mean that a perfectly healthy human can identify as having 1 arm and surgically remove their arm just because someone was unfortunately born with only one arm.
Can you provide an objective definition of woman, without any exceptions?
Why wouldn't you be able to? You just have to make the text long enough to prevent the wilfully ignorant from pretending not to understand it.
Yes, anon.
Cutting off your leg doesn't make you no longer human, just like cutting off your penis doesn't mean you're no longer man.
So what does then?
Not him, but nothing can make you no longer a man if you were born a man.
Except death I guess, since at that point you're not so much a human as you are a rotting corpse.
>take a pan
>drill holes through it
>start saying it's a colander
>it's still a pan with an altered functionality
>spend millions of dollars to push the idea that it's a collander
>it's still a pan with an altered functionality
>show off its functionality as a colander
>everyone can see that the holes are not symmetrical and were clearly hand-made
>it's still a pan with an altered functionality
Can you provide an objective definition of pan and collander with out any gray area?
Can you define yourself without any gray area? And if you can't are you no longer distinguishable from your neighbor or any other person in the world?
>Can you define yourself without any gray area? And if you can't are you no longer distinguishable from your neighbor or any other person in the world?
This a religious topic in Hinduism. Called Brahman.
Yeah, and I'd call that idea stupid.
A person's claim toward being identical to another person would have to come with a bunch of conditions, such as "I am this other person, but I don't have access to their inner thoughts.", "I am this other person, but I cannot control their body in the same way I can control mine.", "I am this other person, but I do not have mental access to their memories."
All those necessary conditions cause the statement "I am this other person." to be indistinguishable from the statement "I am not this other person."
If a person's left and right brain are split, are they the same person
That is a pretty strange thing. I don't know.
Assuming they're entirely separated, and were able to survive; I believe the internal experience would probably be of two people, sharing a body.
Perhaps they would eventually be able to obtain some synchronicity by building up their own mental model of what the other side would be likely to do.
>That is a pretty strange thing. I don't know.
>Assuming they're entirely separated, and were able to survive; I believe the internal experience would probably be of two people, sharing a body.
>Perhaps they would eventually be able to obtain some synchronicity by building up their own mental model of what the other side would be likely to do.
I brought it up because it's a real thing
Your right brain is a moron and your left brain is the tard wrangler
I have heard of it before, but I wasn't certain whether it was from scifi or sci edu.
I remember watching one video that theorized our concepts of Gods and spirits and whatnot come from a degree of separation between one part of the brain and another.
A part of the brain separate from that which is most actively controlling the body, comes to some conclusion and gives that information to the body controller. And the body controller can experience that as some sort of spiritual experience. Like Word of God.
Do you, yourself, have a position on if they are one person or two?
No idea
Ship of Theseus style problems are Unanswerable.
Have you never been been in a kitchen appliances isle?
You're not doing yourself any favors by asking this kind of stuff since everyone knows what pans and collanders are and what are they used for.
Endless dialectical reductionism like that cannot be basis for a sound argument.
So what's the definition?
Given collanders are really more like pots.
But see, I have this pasta pot.
Which is essentially just a pot with a collander inside that I can take out.
On the one hand this gives me the ability to cook pasta twice without having to heat a second pot of water.
On the other hand I also have a collander independently of the outer pot, and a tall pot independently of the collander.
You might be familiar with the phrase "you call that a penis?" It's the same thing. If a troony calls it a penis, it's a penis like thing that isn't a biopenis
It's another example of how expectations should not always invalidate the rule. Maybe if your IQ was higher than room temp you'd understand this.
Because it's an abnormality.
Mean not normal.
Exceptions don'r invalidate a rule.
You wouldn't say humans cease to be bipedal because some children are born without legs.
Not to mention those abnormalities certainly don't validate that those without abnormalities may claim the same rights as those who do.
>Exceptions don'r invalidate a rule.
They invalidate universal rules.
>they invalidate universal rules
Source?
If you allow all exceptions to invalidate the rules, then there would be no rules at all.
Our universe is quantum in nature, there is anon-zero chance the atoms of your entire body will all teleport around to turn you into the exact mirror-image of yourself.
There has to be some point in which we decide, okay what happened was pretty weird, but it was definitely an outlier, so we'll disregard it.
Most Rules like those of physics are generalized or abstractions. For instance trying to reconcile quantum physics and the rest
Universal rules only exist in math and logic.
>hurr durr there's a 1 in a million chance someone will be born without a leg or an arm due to a genetic abnormality, therfore saying that humans have 2 arms and 2 legs is incorrect
I honestly can't believe some morons here fail to grasp basic concepts like these, it feels like a gaslighting attempt.
Because for a small percentage of the population there can be sexual defects.
If you're genuinely curious, it's because the more accurate determiner of whether an embroyee becomes male or female is if they have an activated SRY gene. If an XY embryo's SRY gene was misplaced or deactivated, they'll become female.
Defects do not define the group for everyone else though. Humans have 4 fingers and a thumb per hand. People who lose fingers or developed extra ones, don't change that fact.
Lol "embroyee".
don't know how I typo'd that bad...
>Humans have 4 fingers and a thumb per hand. People who lose fingers or developed extra ones, don't change that fact.
Are they no longer human? Or is it not a universal rule?
If you were going to buy a pair of gloves for someone you never met, would you ask them how many fingers they had?
If I don't ask, What's your point?
>Everyone I disagree with is a troony.
no, it's
>everyone who agrees with trannies is a troony
for example someone agreeing with hitler is not a troony, but a nazi. You see how this goes?
Transgenderism isn't a political ideology.
Nazism is.
There also are transexual Nazis.
Honest question, are you illiterate?
How can everyone who agrees with trannies be a troony
Because it's mainly trannies that have something to lose if they don't defend their position so adamantly.
I haven't posted any studies. I've only asked for proof about an anti psychotic drug.
This is mild skepticism
That is defending trannies, which is something only a troony would ever do. Back to /lgbt/ with you
Why aren't there more studies?
A lot of homosexual/bisexual people can't stand this gender ideology either, but if they speak against it they'll be hunted down by the cult.
Because it only worked on a sample size of one and they're trying to sell pimozide. Just guessing, they should try it more.
So what's this other sample size of one supposed to teach me?
>MUH SAMPLE SIZE
God you libtards are insufferable
It's a sample size of one. I can find you something that supports crystals curing PTSD with a sample size of one.
That pimozide study has a Sample size of 1 for use on trans
Which aligns with the 70+ years of research into the drug and comports with all other antipsychotics and their use, off label and otherwise, on treating delusions.
Why would you be against a cheap drug that would give you back your life
>Who else would be financially vested in it not being widely used instead of the multi billion dollar cosmetic surgery route, whose solution is always more surgeries.
Another millimeter shaved off your jaw will surely make you think you're a woman.... That'll be $19,000 plus tip.
It needs a larger sample size. I'd like to see the long term effects and see if it provides better results than therapy and socially or medically transitioning. It's a good start too, like try it out as an option if it works.
They already have anon
Then prove that' condition is what transgenderism is.
>Delusional disorder is a mental illness in which a person has delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect. Delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis. Delusions can be bizarre or non-bizarre in content; non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being harmed or poisoned. Apart from their delusion or delusions, people with delusional disorder may continue to socialize and function in a normal manner and their behavior does not necessarily generally seem odd. However, the preoccupation with delusional ideas can be disruptive to their overall lives.
To a T
>person believes they are the opposite gender even though their biology states otherwise
Jesus Christ, do you need a source to prove the sky is blue too? Are you just incapable of making the most basic of connections yourself?
Gender isn't sex.
If they thought they were a different sex, why would they take meds and get snipped
>If they thought they were a different sex, why would they take meds and get snipped
They do this BECAUSE they think they are the opposite sex. Are you just plain dumb or something?
They think their gender is opposite from what society forces on them, not that they are opposite sex.
The separation of gender and sex in this context was popularized by a doctor named John Money who tortured a pair of twin boys when coming to this conclusion. It has no actual basis in science and is something the LGBT latch onto in order to justify why it's okay to transition, when we should really just be going off of sex.
His experiment deduced that you cant force an identity upon someone. Trans people feel that society is enforcing an identity on them. See the connection?
Spergs get peer pressured into thinking they're trannies all the time.
That's not forcing. You're right, too many morons see supporters as experts and really should go through therapy before making solid claims about themselves. That's where you get 60 tumblr genders from; people in various places not willing to commit to the binary are biology. That's why it's now more popular to reduce that "spectrum" to just non-binary which is its whole separate issue, but can keep people from transitioning. So win-win, to some.
He forced a gender identity on a victim, he killed himself later. Forcing gender identity is bad.
Molesting children also bad.
>He forced a gender identity on a victim, he killed himself later. Forcing gender identity is bad.
>Molesting children also bad.
No it's proof that altering a person's genitals and molesting them isn't a good idea, which is a exactly happened.
You're removing the context of identity. He didn't identify as what he was being tortured and mutilated into. You're leaving out a lot of context to arrive at a favorable conclusion.
You keep saying "identify" when the whole point is that the idea of "identifying" as the opposite gender came from this """study""".
Beyond this, there is not proof for why we should treat gender and sex as separate ideas.
You're extremely moronic and don't see why we shouldn't use this mans findings as proof that there needs to be a separation between sex and gender.
>His experiment deduced that you cant force an identity upon someone.
No, it's proof that we shouldn't molest children and call it "science".
How does that make the definition flawed?
Because it has no basis in science or fact and was just a pet project done a mad scientist.
If they thought they are the opposite sex then they wouldnt need to change.
They think they need to change their sex
"Gender isn't sex."
That is a position that is becoming more and more taboo in trans discourse.
Many trans people are trying to fully tear down any of the categorical barriers between actual women and men who think they're women.
I've seen several people use the terms "trans female" and "trans male". Why would they use those terms if they still think sex and gender are separate concepts?
I've also heard them use the logic "I (a man who thinks he's a woman) am a biological woman, because I am biological and I am a woman."
And there's also (I mentioned before) dictionaries including men who think they're women in the definition for "female".
>Paranoid personality disorder (PPD) is a mental illness characterized by paranoid delusions, and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. People with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily insulted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. They are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other interpretations or evidence.
Troons are suffering from paranoid personality disorder and delusion disorder, simple as. Your number is fricking called m8.The question becomes when antipsychotics are necessary, not if.
Autogynephillia and trans trenders likely could be treated by being told by authority figures, medical practitioners, etc. that they will never be women. The ones that persist need antipsychotics so they stop being a threat to other vulnerable people in need of real treatment for their delusions.
Prove it applies to them. Don't just quote a definition and say it applies
Sounds like you're hypersensitive, easily insulted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate your fears or biases and think you're in danger, looking for signs and threats of that danger, while not appreciating other interpretations or evidence.
>Sounds like you're hypersensitive, easily insulted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate your fears or biases and think you're in danger, looking for signs and threats of that danger, while not appreciating other interpretations or evidence
What
Your aggressive diction concerning the topic shows markers of paranoid personality disorder, which paired with delusions disorder... well I hope you don't have to dilate. Because the. That "affirming" care ruined your life when you were actually misdiagnosed (or never diagnosed) and are actually suffering from perfectly treatable mental illness. All you need is olanzapine or risperidone and if that doesn't work, our old friend pimozide. You can have your life back. You can be happy with your body.
Prove it. Cite posts for each claim
The following can indicate a delusion
>An individual expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force, even when evidence suggests the contrary.
>That idea appears to have an undue influence on the person's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
>Despite their profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the person is questioned about it.
>The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
>There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to the person, he or she accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
>An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. They will not accept any other opinions.
>The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the individual's social, cultural, and religious background.
>The person is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his or her psyche.
>The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal, and out of character, although perhaps understandable in light of the delusional beliefs.
>Other people who know the individual observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
Transgenderism is just a perfectly treatable expression of delusion disorder. There are dozens of drugs that can cure you. There is real help.
Merely a hypothesis in this case. Prove it applies
>An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. They will not accept any other opinions.
Couldn't have done it without you anon, we solved the transgender crisis. You can get real help.
Citation needed
How are they acting aggressive or hostile or otherwise emotional? He hasn't insulted you. He's asking for evidence.
He's reflexively defending an irrational belief, hitting every marker of suffering from a medical delusion. Including his disbelief of such, another marker.
Denial of reality is a proof of delusion. Go down the list and slot in trooning out as the delusional behavior. Medical practitioners need to start using DSM5 delusion disorder to prescribe antipsychotics and save these people.
The answer for why there isn't "study" in these drugs is that it's already settled medicine. They are just misdiagnosed. Doctors can prescribe this right now to treat their disorder with the full weight of study behind these medicines for this illness.
You're denying studies that support gender affirming care, diagnose yourself. Also you're doing that thing where you call a cough black lung because it's symptom.
>Studies
Transition does not improve your suicide rate or self reported happiness over the long term. John's Hopkins stopped cutting wieners off despite pioneering it because it harms your quality of life and life expectancy.
If antipsychotics did nothing, but was a first step to the "treatment" your delusions want, then wouldn't it not causing a sensation of your desires be affirming your meme gender?
The only way to prove you're supposed to be a woman is to still believe such while being competently treated for delusion disorder through antipsychotics.
>Transition does not improve your suicide rate or self reported happiness over the long term
Source?
He's asking for proof that pimozide works on trannies. That's not irrational to want reproducible studies and experiments
Hence the case study where it worked on a troony. And the body of work for it treating general delusion disorders. Believing you're a woman while you're a man is no different than thinking the color blue is red. If you adamantly defend that, you need meds. And the meds are there.
Is it reproducible for this specific disorder? Are there other follow up studies?
This family of drugs is literally the go to treatment for non hallucinatory delusions and associated paranoia
So why hasn't the research been reproduced?
Because trannies cant ;^)
Why do you think big pharma wants "conversion treatment" banned through their donors.
If transgenderism is solved wholesale by a $45 a month pill, people won't need $1000 a month HRT and $90k bottom surgeries.
If anyone is suffering from this, seriously get a doctor to prescribe you an antipsychotic. If it doesn't make you CIS then you'll have "affirmed" yourself. When it does, thank Cinemaphile.
Source on the prices
>This family of drugs is literally the go to treatment for non hallucinatory delusions and associated paranoia
What do delusions and paranoia have to do with this?
We don't treat dysmorphic people who want to cut off their hands with pimozide
Why would it work here?
Read the DSM posted for a delusion diagnosis and think back to the period before ubiquitous plastic surgery
Only through modern surgery is transition possible, so people gravitate to wanting it. Dysphoria is a misdiagnosis unless there have been attempts of things like self castration, etc. Before access to "treatment"
It's just a garden variety, dangerous, delusion and can be treated as such. Now that the DSM has gutted trooning out as it's own diagnosis, this is the proper one. Delusion.
Why doesnt pimozide work on people who want to cut off limbs?
different illness. Trooning out is not a true dysphoria as it only became one with the advent of plastic surgery.
Also in extreme cases anti psychotics would probably fix the irrational belief you shouldn't have a limb too, instead of Cognitive behavioral therapy and your school shooter SSRIs as recommended.
Properly framed as a delusion, checked against the warning signs, antipsychotics are the answer for a delusion like thinking you're a woman on the body of a man.
>different illness. Trooning out is not a true dysphoria as it only became one with the advent of plastic surgery.
When was that?
>The two times it came to pass were Weimar Germany and ~1990s onward united States
>Both coming off of hatchetman medical malpractice of willing to give dudes breasts and castrate men like the homosexual spaceship cult church incident
It would be interesting to see if in the 60's and 70's before the sanitariums were closed and the crazies let out if they treated cross dressers with anti psychotics. Because as the treatment log from 96 shows it works.
Especially with the rise of autogynephillic transexuals as the bulk of the troons, the dysphoria diagnosis just doesn't fit. Delusion fits all the cleaner.
It existed before then
>Breast implants existed before the modern period
>Body image disorders related to plastic surgery obsession aren't a product of the technologies existence
Crossdressing is a fetish, not a gender. Taking it beyond a fetish is... a delusion. A medical one. And should be treated as such. We have the meds to completely solve the problem non invasively. There is no argument against this being a first layer of treatment. To suppress or fight against it is either the product of active delusion as the DSM describes or literal evil.
Hrt grows bbreasts
It doesn't grow the organs associated with female breasts.
You're just making your moobs larger.
Correction: I mean anatomical structures rather than organs.
I'm not certain organs would be the right word.
But men can produce milk even without sizeable breasts. All the organs (lets just call them that im not sure what the right word is) are there.
That's not actual milk they're producing though. All those glands do the work of making the milk nutritious. No glands, no milk.
>The troon thinks his cancer pill is natural and not a product of the last decades
You really need real meds to break your delusions. The shit they're giving you is literally designed to make you a medically dependant revenue line item.
Your position is not bad. If we try non invasive methods and they work, thats great. What do we do when they dont work though? But I can already guess that you would advocate any reasearch to find new non invasive methods, since yoir position that dysphoria is misdiagnosis.
Even if their is no other solution, the solution you're proposing is unworkable.
It puts the onus of the person's mental health on the whole of society. If even one person decides to recognize the person's sex rather than their stated gender identity, then the person's mental health spirals.
Some people's health conditions are unresolvable. It's not unreasonable to conclude that gender dysphoria might be one of them.
I have no counter argument. I have to dwell upon this.
I've seen a news story about a man who breast fed his child. I can't claim its thr same milk 100% that women produce, but at least he could feed a baby.
Every other dysphoria is treated with Cognitive Behavioral therapy and anti depressants, not with giving in to the desigred behavior. The fallback would be to bring treatment in line with not doing harm to the patient.
The delusion diagnosis starting point would give a concrete treatment plan that is low cost and has a demonstrable effect, the sensation of what is being considered dysphoria but is in fact medically a delusion. If it doesn't work it may be a dysphoria, but the answer to dysphoria is being made "CIS" through therapy and treating unerdlying disorders like depression. And again, depression in men is a symptom of low testosterone and low testosterone a source of most body image issues.
An antipsychotic with a Tgel chaser and suddenly you want a girlfriend to wear the kneesocks instead. In a few decades time anything but will be viewed on par with the lobotomy.
What would you do if you give someone pimozide or other antipsychotic drugs and they still feel society is forcing an identity upon them based one their biology? This a speculative question.
Cognitive behavioral therapy and antidepressants is the go to for self image problems.
And a free testosterone test to show they likely have the T levels of a 90 year old.
Low testosterone in men causes depression and other symptoms that SSRIs are used so heavily to treat.
Break the delusion and fix the T levels.
>he doesnt know that the color blue IS red in american politics
Reminder that biden still runs the mexican camps, it was only bad when trump was doing it
The problem was Zero Tolerance which had families automatically and indefinitely separated so we could say "self deport if you ever want to see your kids again". Bases, but different than what Obama and Biden were doing, even by Trump's admission.
Also Biden got Mexico to pay for more border security than Trump did.
>Also Biden got Mexico to pay for more border security than Trump did
Kek
It's true, they're putting in $1.5 billion.
>Believing you're a woman while you're a man
They don't believe that though. They want to become women.
The fun part of this is your word games prove the diagnosis applies to you. Now take your meds
They were never a man, they just happened to physically look like one.
So he popped out of the womb thinking he was a woman? I'm confused, isn't it a common line of thought that gender is socially constructed, right, so how could he have always thought of himself as a woman? And why does he think he's a woman?
This is why the LGB should be and are afraid of trans ideology. It completely undermines the idea of innate, immaleable sexuality through gender nonsense. If you can be groomed into being a troon and have to "respect" the girlwiener as a lesbian, the whole basis for sexual attraction being innate is now bigotry and you can be socially conditioned to think trannies are real girls... Or to just be straight homo.
The coercive sexual fetish of trannies harms every other group and surprise, it's a delusion.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if backlash against the very idea of sexuality happens because it's 'transphobic' or 'reductionistic' or whatever the frick to base attraction around gender or say you're only attracted to certain genders
No one can be permanently "groomed". If you arent trans you arent, if you are you are. No one can force an identity upon you.
This but also this:
When trannies start using these kinds of arguments to 'win'
The women without a menarch are a tragic case. Their body is not right. With transwomen, they took a perfectly adequate body and hashed it into a form. They chose to become physically weaker. We females don't have a choice.
This is only applicable if one first subscribes to your particular convictions that the existence of transgender people is false.
However, there is a persistent historical thread of people to whom this condition appears to apply, and a large number of people who independently reach that very same conclusion.
For a delusion this seems to be extremely persistent across cultures and ages.
And it appears to be a delusion that is not tied to a kind of neurochemical imbalance or cerebral malfunction, but appearing in a consistent number of young people, who consistently report good results when treated as they wish to be treated by their surroundings and family.
For age, you absolutely have enormous industries catering to it already.
Makeup, plastic surgeries, fitness, health etc.
All to be more young and healthy longer, or appear to be anyway.
This is just accepted behavior.
For race it's highly unusual that anyone would attempt to be another than what they were born as. Which is largely due to race being largely an issue of cultural belonging and social acceptance more than actual physical traits. Those really just are a sorting mechanism. You absolutely have technically white people behaving like a black majority around them and vice versa, though.
It's current form doesn't predate 1920s Berlin m8 and is very much against cultural and historic norms. And biologic reality. Bro... You will never be a woman.
It is a delusion. It fits all markers. Your own irrational defense fits the mold, as does your resistance to treatment that will cause a sensation of your symptoms. This is part of the illness. You can get better.
>Bro... You will never be a woman.
I know. Because I am a (cis-) man. I am very comfortable being a man.
And it would really ruin my day if everyone including my mirror tried to tell me otherwise.
But if someone wanted to claim they were actually a teen and not an adult, or that they're actually Asian and not white (for example), and insist that other people refer to themselves as what they identify as, would that be fine?
Yes.
Have you not heard of the stunning snd brave 56 year old man who decided to live as a 6 year old girl?
Fricking bigot
There was a whole book written on it.
It was banned off of amazon.
Why do you shill capitalism for free? If you're not making any money defending capitalism then you're a fricking moron.
This isnt just a pharma issue. Exxonmobil did its own research on global warming and then hid it because theyd lose shittons of profit by trying to be greener.
There's several existing medications that have been shown to be effective. The reason why people go for surgery instead is because they're given the choice and it's the option that affirms their feelings, rather than suppressing them. Now, whether letting patients make that kind of decision is an effective way to treat their issues is another matter.
I have OCD and I wish I could stop the compulsive thoughts. My medication doesn't seem to be cutting it though. Surgery to correct a mental problem just seems like a really, really bad idea.
Have churches refused to marry a couple if one of them is trans?
Adult human female. Why is this so fricking hard?
That's what I don't get. We look down upon people who get breast/pec implants because they're trying to fit an unrealistic ideal while we actively encourage transgendered people to completely reshape their bodies to fit the image they have in mind.
>they're given the choice and it's the option that affirms their feelings, rather than suppressing them
It's an option that doesn't fix the core of the problem, you mean. I strongly dislike this current trend of pretending that every disorder and disability is something that should be embraced as an identity, fricking fix things that can be fixed ffs.
Name one.
I got one for you: Water.
Just drink water and accept fricking reality you delusional idiot.
>Now, whether letting patients make that kind of decision is an effective way to treat their issues is another matter
spoiler: it's not
Trannies have attached themselves to gay rights movement and appropriated it's ideas about "conversion therapy" being abhorrent in any situation. Plus, most of them are mutilating themselves for coombrained reasons and coomers don't want to get better.
If I was gay, I’d rather go through conversion therapy than trans surgery. At the end of the day, the former is just talk therapy. The latter fricks up your body for life.
Because it isn't a mental issue. It's a biological one.
That's like asking a crackhead whether he wants crack, or a drug that makes him not want crack.
Back in the early 2010s there was some decent research which was finding that most cases of people who felt dysphoria could literally be treated by the right anti depressants or even just a positive improvement in their life.
The root cause of Dysphoria seems to be linked to self esteem issues, anxiety and depression. People with Dysphoria don't have those symptoms because it makes them feel bad they have Dysphoria because they feel bad and they have identified this as a way to help solve the problem. Its why when it got more public and acceptance was pushed hard with anyone who comes out as trans being celebrated and given validation the numbers of trannies have boomed. There are very few actual people with a real Dysphoria that transitioning actually would help.
Source?
Trans surgery makes more money for the evil pharmaceutical complex
This but unironically. The SRS industry makes crooked psychologists and unethical surgeons bank.
I personally don’t mind so much because the people who typically get these surgeries have no business breeding in the first place.
>I personally don’t mind so much because the people who typically get these surgeries have no business breeding in the first place.
I used to feel that way until they clealry and blatantly started targeting children, subverting public institutions to spread their insane cult.
Now I'm actively opposed to it in any of its forums. It's evil to do to children. It's evil to do it to someone when they turn 18. The doctors who do this are evil. All of them should be separated from society at a bare minimum.
Any parent that has a kid that identifies as trans should immediately have another to replace the defective one
Isn't that just Therapy?
There is a billion-dollar trans industrial complex making money off abusing naive people.
Because that's transphobic
Took me a bit to find, back from 1996: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8839957/
>Sample size of 1
>Widely used antipsychotic studied extensively for use in treating delusions since 1964
Even so, isn't odd that there weren't any further studies on it?
Especially in current times when it's become a much more visible problem. Independent of whether it consistently works or not, shouldn't we expect some follow-up study?
But none exist.
Well, try writing an email to the researchers who did this study. Why are you asking anons?
happy pills are a crutch, no a solution
Yeah, thanks god there's a more permanent option of regularly taking hrt and shoving a dildo up your crotchole for several hours until the end of your life.
Did hbomax ban this episode yet? It seems too based for current year
>five thousand dollars
lmao that's low-balling it. Snipping off dongs is big business.
hahahaha
What is a woman?
A miserable little pile of delusions. But enough estrogen pills. Have at you!
heheheheh
*smuggly chuckles*
why, that's a transphobic question I don't know why you'd even ask that
A person that identifies as female
What about "genderfluid" people then, do you respect their pronouns? Why or why not
what if I identify as black
A female adult.
whatever makes my dick hard
Is Viagra a woman?
You know society is fricked when there is no politically correct answer to that question
A distant memory we've repressed. When they harvested our world leaving us with only the males.
>weekend comes up
>/misc/ starts shitting on the rug even harder
WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS
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Cue some smug c**t ignoring science with a shitty meme in 3... 2...
Frick off, troony lover. Go back to shitter if you want your hugbox back.
Ah, see precisely my point. This troony-joker can't let one fricking word refer to a person's sex and sex alone.
Someone who wasn't born with a penis.
You really need a woman G
Person with a pussy (a real one not that troony flesh wound shit).
Go watch Matt Walsh's documentary. It's J.K. Rofllin' approved.
I'm not paying 15$ a month to watch some shitty shoddy edited doc
I'm not a biologist
for anyone who doesn't know the origin of this amazing answer
You know, you really need a woman G.
You swindled me
A miserable little pile of secrets
someone with XY chromosomes, that is meant to have a uterus, a vegana, ovaries and produce breast milk
XY is male, you invalid
You will never be a real woman you filthy troony, XY people have ovaries, which is something you'll never have
>Look how expertly I'm concern trolling bunkersisters, take that chuds look how silly you are
>Surely this will make me a real woman
>>Look how expertly I'm concern trolling bunkersisters, take that chuds look how silly you are
this will make me a real woman
Bunkerchan doesn't exist anymore
moron
Either you're so lost in your own shitposting you don't even know what you're saying anymore or you actually don't know the difference between XX and XY. Do me a favor and look it up real quick.
Haha oh wow.
Anon...
XX
clearly defined if these people are getting
>female hormones
>wear female clothes and makeup
>get female genital and facial feminization surgery
>change names to female versions of their name or choose a female one
>want to go into women's bathrooms
I mean for not being able to define a woman, they sure do know what one is
Women is gender, female is sex.
Better double check the definition of woman good buddy
>similar
woman literal comes from "man with womb"
>Women is gender, female is sex.
Female is gender, woman is sex, you fascist bigot you're literally fricking Hitler
So many answers and only one of you got it right
God doesn't have chromosomes but we define him as a he. Are we projecting that identity based in societal normal or are supernatural beings just full of so much big dick energy we have to think they're the stronger sex?
vegana
Someone who's being loved by a man.
I really don't want to be transphobic, but I live in a big city and I keep seeing them and my whole body cringes at the sight of them, like I'm looking at pile of maggots.
I dont want this to happen to me but I physically can't stop feeling this way.
I was never raised to hate, never learned to view others as lesser, and yet something in my very DNA rejects their existence as immoral and unnatural.
I live in a much smaller town but same thing. I actually have several Trans internet friend I game with and shit but when I see one one in public it's like I can feel my soul crawling
I live in a small town, I've only ever seen 3 of them, 2 out of town, one works at the local mcdonalds.
I had to run out of their eyesight so I could laugh really fricking hard.
Idgaf, they look like clowns.
If I've seen more than they passed, the ones I saw did not, they just looked like men in makeup and fake nails.
The sad reality is not everyone can pass as the opposite gender. Even if you can, you have to transition young to really sell it. EVEN THEN, you'll look really fricking uncanny once you reach middle age. There's a reason every piece of promotional transgender material features people under 35, if not under 30.
And then you deal with the facts
>not going through puberty stunts your organ and bone growth
Not reversible
>Estrogen and HRT will cause cancers in men
>Children cannot consent and parents do not have control of their body autonomy as a parental right
There are going to be thousands of David Riemers I'm the next decade from this baseless medical experimentation
Literally, why the frick do you care what other people want a doctor to do to their genitals?
Like, if someone got a tattoo do you go "Oh no they ruined a perfectly good piece of skin with ink, now they're a freak".
Yes, I do.
>"why do you care chuds? people do what they want!"
>*police speech*
>*groom children*
>*let "men" ruin female sports*
I don't think a tattoo is directly comparable to the active tampering with your body's natural functions.
holy false equivalence batman
>Literally, why the frick do you care what other people wan to do with their lives?
>Like, if someone buys a gun do you go "Oh no that pschopath has a gun! They are gonna use it to murder innocent people!"
Because the transgender movement is the most evil cult ever created, and exclusively targets healthy children in order to chemically castrate them and mutilate their genitals for profit.
There isn't a single reason it should be shown even the slightest level of tolerance, anyone who's part of it shouls be publicly executed for the good of society.
You're showing you know absolutely nothing by saying it exclusively targets children. What probably gave you that impression are family drag queen events, but drag queens aren't the types to get surgery because it's about clothes and makeup (which triggers some feminists), challenging gender norms (the thing that has lib parents bringing their kids to those events). Kids also don't get cosmetic surgery on their genitals unless it's a circumcision forced on them by a parent. There's actually a huge opportunity to address circumcision here but people would rather follow the outrage then actually help children.
No, it's every single person in the troony cult pushing irreversible puberty blockers on children.
But trannies stripping for children is also unacceptable, and either is more than enough justification to kill you.
If they're stripping I'm against it, most would be. What we have are people calling it stripping because they're giving money to performers.
One of the popular pictures of a real stripper with dollars in her thong and a child present was a cis woman. It was a straight degen event. It's unacceptable regardless, but handing dollars to performers isn't automatically sexual. Propagandizing about children seeing strippers when that's already unacceptable and they aren't going to strippers is evil, stoking hatred and endangering people. Not that you mind.
This isn't up for negotiation, and nobody is falling for your gaslighting.
I'm not negotiating and that isn't gaslighting. How is it either of those things?
Please stop trying to push sex onto children. have a nice day if you can not understand this.
>Nonbinary dragonkin faegendered biological woman performing burlesque including stripping, in front of children, in event with men in dressing doing the same thing
>Class of event that inherently exposes children to sexual nudity of strangers
>Promoters and drag performers keep getting miraculously outed as being sex offenders and pedophiles
>burlesque
What event are you talking about?
>inherently exposes nudity
There's more "nudity" at a halftime show than most of these events. They didn't even expose themselves at that gross "it's not going to lick itself" ice parlor thing. By "inherently" you likely mean "it makes me feel like".
>Promoters and drag performers keep getting miraculously outed as being sex offenders and pedophiles
They're under a microscope and this rate is low. Yes, don't leave your kids alone adult performers and artists of any kind. Don't leave them around alone with adults you don't know.
When we beat you to death, juries will unanimously find us not guilty every time.
This is saying these events aren't sexual, they're just about challenging gender norms. Your exposing how badly you want this to be about something it's not.
All you had to do was kick out liberal white women who brought children to your events, instead here we are. you've subverted drag culture with trans culture and now it's sexual. It's no longer gay men pantomiming women, it's mentally ill men who think they're women stripping. And you want to expose kids to it to cHalLeNgE gEneDeR NoRmS and no one is having it.
>you've subverted drag culture with trans culture and now it's sexual.
No, that's the association you morons have been making. You aren't asking the drag queens about trans issues, just that their thoughts on gender identity are apparent through challenging gender norms. You're blaming others for the intentions you're assuming because too many liberal white women were present.
You always assume no one against you knows about these subcultures to see what you're doing and get blindsided when the gaslighting doesn't work.
Even gays hate you outsider culture warriors, subverting activities like drag that just want to be left alone until you bring your kids to their events. It'll be peak clown when you call an event phobic for not allowing children.
Events aimed at children is grooming. The event organizers are pedophiles and sex offenders. Police your own and stay away from kids. You're not going to "win" by getting noticed, same way as infesting cartoons has just killed the industry instead of getting kids to troon out because the lesbian rocks ~~*fused*~~. Same struggle, same bad actors, same groomers.
>Events aimed at children is grooming.
Good to know it's synonymous with just raising a child.
Elon Musk's father had a child with the daughter he took in when she was 4. Where's all the groomer outrage? Is it a moot point and you just hate the concept of exposing kids to pro-LGBT values?
Now do woodey Allen
How about the nameless execs who did what they did to the girl from poltergeist to Mcully Culkin
Not everyone abused troons out and don't pretend you care about putting abusers when you think it's no big deal all the child aimed drag shows are put on by sex offenders.
Pederasty is abuse and there is no component of it that was ever moral. There is no argument or leg to stand on. You know what makes you, you just refuse to recognize your behavior is coping about it.
Yes, Woody Allen is another groomer. You know who "cancelled" him? Liberals. Your outrage is selective.
Liberals were the ones defending him, conservatives were the ones that led to his demise.
How so? Conservatives even hate #metoo. Liberals used the word "groomer" before conservatives saw it more as just the based tradition of raising and marrying fertile brides.
>Conservatives even hate #metoo
Because 90% of the time metoo is just a male hating campaign against the white person of their choice with little to no actual evidence to support the "abuse" claim.
>Liberals used the word "groomer" before conservatives
And seemingly stopped once they realized its meaning fit gays more than it did straights, curious huh
>90%
Source please. I'm aware that people gave been falsely accused, but even Aziz bounced back from a false accusation.
And no they're still calling John K a groomer and now they're calling Elon Musk's father a groomer.
>but even Aziz bounced back from a false accusation.
Did he?
He's been in a single post-2017 production since his false accusation and it's not out yet.
The only other things he's been in were shows he was already on prior to being accused, and his roles were heavily diminished post-2017 in said shows.
>Conservatives even hate #metoo
Well, speaking as someone who's black, most black males also hate #metoo.
Largely because we have kind of a rocky history when it comes to false accusations potentially ruining your life.
But I do find it funny how people who call themselves liberals started hopping on the "believe all women" train for a bit, because due process was too inconvenient for them.
There's no talking your way out of this anymore, and since you clearly have no intention of stopping, we're going to kill you.
>don't look into child development, goy, just let us say that sexuality and gender identity magically happen after you turn 18 and were groomed or sexually assaulted, we'll have to kill you if you don't blindly follow us
You're not rational.
Wew, a man who chopped his dick off trying to become a woman is here to lecture us about rationality.
What does drag even have to do with education, idiot? They are literal sex clowns. Clowns who's material is all about sexual shit.
Replacing them with actual normal clowns would be better then this. Or maybe they could find people who are actually good for children to look up to, like grandparents or firefighters.
People already have sufficient freedom to dress themselves the way they want, if that's what the drags are for. The reason women's clothing look weird on men, isn't because our culture isn't "open" enough. It's because women's clothing was designed FOR women's bodies. It'll look weird on most men's bodies.
And what's even so valuable about the freedom of dress, that we'll put pedo-adjecent people in front of our children?
Will the quality of life in our society increase tenfold if nobody makes fun of a person who hotglued a sneaker onto their head?
>pedo-adjecent
This isn't about clergy and educators, it's about kids knowing that they don't have to fit a rigid mold and be okay with being drafted into a war.
>Will the quality of life in our society increase tenfold if nobody makes fun of a person who hotglued a sneaker onto their head?
It might. If we were a nicer society, people would be more accepting and feel less alienated for how they are or mistakes they've made.
>Albert Garza-- stagename: "Tatiana Mala Nina" in 2008, was convicted of sexually assaulting an 8-year-old boy.
>Brice Williams--stagename: "Anastasia Diamond" acquired at least 49 photos and 25 videos of naked, prepubescent boys between May and December 2020.
>Brett Blomme--the CEO of Cream City which runs Milwaukee’s drag queen story hour program. Uploaded 27 images and videos of children being sexually abused on the messaging app Kik.
And yes, there are pedophiles in the priesthood, and education, and in politics.
That is part of the reason our culture has become so critical of these things.
But when you're critical of drag shit, oh no! You're homo/trans-phobic!!!!
Yes, I see you bashing all the pedos whole day long.
>these events aren't sexual
Have you seen one?
Yeah, they're less sexual than a PG Disney movie. Less sexual than Hooters or a football game.
I don't understand why people are so against heteronormativity. Most people are heterosexual. I've never wanted that strongly to be against homosexuality, but the logic most people used to decide homosexual people are "okay enough" was that they're actions do no real harm to society or people who don't want to participate in their culture.
But now they want to force everyone to be in their culture. Instead of being neutral about homosexuality, they want every one to view it as some grand thing.
The fact is homosexual relationships look stupid. Especially the men's side of the coin. The fricking primary type of sex they engage in is practically scat play, unless one of them does a real good job at cleaning out their colon.
People are free to do scat play, if only because restricting it isn't really worth the effort, and could backfire on us. But they can't force us to pretend like it isn't fricking disgusting.
Non nude stripping is burlesque. It's not a man in a dress, ok, and yet it is still illegal and amoral. Stop exposing kids to sex groomer. This is the same thing as the kids being at Folsom street fair and other gay events getting an eye full of gay culture as you fist each other in the street. There are not many drag shows aimed at children, this only happens in your shithole cities, and we're batting close to a thousand on pedophiles and sex offenders being integral links in the chain for making events aimed at children.
It's not the same as Folsom st degeneracy. These dancers are more dressed than cheerleaders. This about "exposing kids to sex" this is about you protecting ideals of traditional gender norms. You don't want to say how important it is to reinforce gender based structure because, even though that's a more honest and productive conversation, it doesn't have the edge of riding the wave of popular outrage.
Gender is a social construct invented whole cloth by William money when he performed illegal human experimentation on a castrated boy and never updated his research when he failed to socially condition him to be a girl and all children in the study committed suicide later in life from the trauma and abuse.
Stay away from kids.
His experiment just goes to show that you cant force someone to be something they dont identify as, no matter the biological circumstance. And that cuts both ways, for both normal people and trannies. Because thats how dysphoric people feel in relationship to society, that society is trying to condition them to behave a certain way just because of their biological circumstance.
When you get Alzheimer's and forget you decided to be a troony, waking up to rediscover your mutilated alien body every day will be a hell unlike anyone could contemplate pre clownworld.
>decided to be a troony
I understand that your concern is that people are being misdiagnosed, and I dont doubt that is true for a second. Its much easier to dump all self esteem issues onto a false diagnosis of dysphoria, than to take time and understand your problems and grow as a person.
But there truly are people who have nothing wrong with them ASIDE from dyaphoric feelings. I dont know what is the best way to help them. Neither do you, but previous generations who didnt have to fight the transexual fad of social media had a much better position to deal with this meeical condition didnt care, all the while biggotry was the norm.
Even now, instead of fighting to help depressed people with their depression, and real trannies with their dysphoria, you just scream about murder. How is anybody supposed to support your position? Make it a labor of love, show the world that you want make it better out of compassion, not fear.
Literally every medication that treats delusions causes the complete abatement of dysphoric thought and desire to crossdress. Your golden age of trans before trend chasers and autogynephic coomers was spearheaded by John's Hopkins, the hospital that now refuses to do the surgery because it's medical malpractice and doesn't cure or even positively impact gender dysphoria.
Why do you think you have to go to Mexico and Thailand to get castrated by a hatchetman 3rd world cosmetic surgeon that hasn't quite tackled the whole necrosis of the constructed labia thing, but surely the 10th time is the charm.
Ask yourself if someone gave you a pill that would make you a CIS man if you would take it. The answer is no, which is why you're mentally ill. That pill is called an anti psychotic and can be prescribed off label.
>Literally every medication that treats delusions causes the complete abatement of dysphoric thought and desire to crossdress. Your golden age of trans before trend chasers and autogynephic coomers was spearheaded by John's Hopkins, the hospital that now refuses to do the surgery because it's medical malpractice and doesn't cure or even positively impact gender dysphoria.
>Why do you think you have to go to Mexico and Thailand to get castrated by a hatchetman 3rd world cosmetic surgeon that hasn't quite tackled the whole necrosis of the constructed labia thing, but surely the 10th time is the charm.
>Ask yourself if someone gave you a pill that would make you a CIS man if you would take it. The answer is no, which is why you're mentally ill. That pill is called an anti psychotic and can be prescribed off label
Citation needed
Source?
It proved chemically castrating children and mutilating their genitals in a futile attempt to change their sex instead only results man made horrors beyond our imagination, where the only saving grace is that they kill themselves once they regain an ounce of lucidity and put an end to their cursed farce of a life. Absolutely nothing about that has changed.
You made the false claim that they all killed themselves. They were all victims to his monstrous experiments and you're using purple prose to try to build a point while ignoring the actual findings: You can't force someone's gender identity to change. That's what you're saying, that's what the trannies are saying.
No, you can't change someone's sex, and every attempt is a disaster.
David Riemer
Say his name. You killed him.
Current troony ideology believes you can be a troony without dysphoria and you're "truscum" if you think otherwise.
So, what do you think about people with dysphoria?
I'm saying Money's "research" doesn't help the troony cause in any way you look at it because the current mantra is "you can be whatever the frick you want".
>William money
This monster proved he couldn't force gender on kids. He didn't force them into accepting roles, which is consistent with what trans activists are saying. You're saying you can force a kid into being trans and you need to force kids to be their biological gender.
Source on all of them committing suicide? I still can only find David Reimer.
There are no trans kids, just mothers conducting munchausen by proxy. Unless you think there's a biological preposition for celebrity adopted orphans to be trans.
Ever wonder why parent reported childhood dysphoria just magically disappears in 99% of cases "untreated" when the kid grows up and has more agency to interact with others.
>There are no trans kids, just mothers conducting munchausen by proxy.
It's so weird that this assumption could be supported by actual doctors and psychologists, but instead you're using diagnosis when convenient to only support your own theory. There is no study, no support for your idea. This is consistent with how you see trans people and the whole issue; you ignore what everyone is saying, even doctors, and use your own assumptions. And that wouldn't be so bad if you were adamant about making others suffer by pretending to know more than everyone else.
Your suffering is manufactured for profit by cosmetic surgeons and pharmaceutical companies that view you as revenue.
Statistics show childhood dysphoria just magically disappears when you don't let dogmoms mutilate their kids but that's bad for bizness. Statistics show transition increases your suicide rate. Medical industry doesn't care. Medical industry doesn't want to put you on cheap anti psychotics when you could be on the hook for $200,000+ in surgeries and medications over the few years of life they expect you to live.
Statistics show autism disappears where you don't diagnosis it. Autism is also an industry. Cancer treatment is an industry too. You're speaking against the concept of medical care as an industry, not trans acceptance leading to more trans people coming out.
>B...b...but my discord friends told me I'm an egg
That's why everyone is against grooming. Cults aren't just the Mormons.
Support isn't grooming. You can find support in being anti-trans, that doesn't mean you were tricked or brainwashed. Or does it to you? All concepts of mental wellness would need to be spread through support, no one magically knows therapy tools to help them in all situations.
Ask me how I know you view the idea there is objective truth as transphobic
Why do you want to perpetuate these people's (and likely your own) misery.
Chemically castrating children is not "support".
This is why your entire insane cult has to hide behind five layers of newspeak to obscure what it is you're actuallu doing, because what you're actually doing is blatantly evil.
>Tina wants to be a princess this week instead of a pirate, why would the chuds do this to my precious little transwoman?!?!
Autism doesn't abate, but it does overlap with trooning out. Surely couldn't be related to the whole fixation issue with that mental illness. Note how all other irrational fixations autistic people may hold are dispelled through therapy, not reinforced.
It's not dispelled through therapy, they're managed through different ways. Gender reaffirming has been proven to work.
Objective truth isn't transphobic, there are biological males and females. Trannies know this, that's why it's gender dysphoria.
It's not about changing biological sex.
Already did, he was killed by forcing a gender identity on to him and other forms of abuse.
It's not castration. "Chemical castration" is a loaded term, it's like calling all plastic surgery mutilation and all food "medical dosage".
>He was killed by forcing gender on him through gaslighting, abuse, and lies and affirmation of authority figures
>Ergo this proves I'm really a woman
Until a moment of clarity makes you "dysphoric" when the mirror points out surgery didn't fix you. What do you think happens when there are no more surgeries and you "aren't chemically and physically castrated" and just have the rotting neovegana and silicone implants under your male nipples. The light disappears from the end of the tunnel.
The people who tell you to do this hate you.
>Statistics show childhood dysphoria just magically disappears when you don't let dogmoms mutilate their kids but that's bad for bizness. Statistics show transition increases your suicide rate. Medical industry doesn't care. Medical industry doesn't want to put you on cheap anti psychotics when you could be on the hook for $200,000+ in surgeries and medications over the few years of life they expect you to live.
Source
>Ever wonder why parent reported childhood dysphoria just magically disappears in 99% of cases "untreated" when the kid grows up and has more agency to interact with others
Source?
Really all this talk about giving minors puberty blockers should progress to a greater question of when does one get bodily autonomy? If we let kids consent to puberty blockers, then can't they also refuse vaccinations?
>If we let kids consent to puberty blockers, then can't they also refuse vaccinations?
No and they can't refuse sexual advances of evil maniacs either. That's the whole point.
It's not so much that they consent, parents consent on their behalf, it's just patient guided. It's like how a parent can't tell a psychologist how their kid feels and get what they want from them. Vaccines aren't about what's going on in your brain, so the child isn't asked how they feel about vaccines. Likewise, is a child is suicidal, they don't have a choice about getting hospitalized in some situations.
>Literally, why the frick do you care what other people want a doctor to do to their genitals?
Because 20 years ago you said the slippery slope wasn't real and now we live in a world where children are chemically castrated because they want to wear pink.
Just jumping in before the thread is deleted to say gender isn't real, only biological sex is real and that Alfred Kinsey molested hundreds of children.
not the same thing, but yes to both
>90's: Pamela Anderson feels insecure about her body so she gets a boob job.
>"Ah haha, look at this big tittied bimbo. Stupid bawd"
>20's: Ellen Page feels insecure about her body so she gets a doctor to give her a breast reduction.
>"This is literally a crime against humanity"
>both procedures are looked down upon because they are awful solutions for body image problems
I see no inconsistencies in these view points
Someone is going to prune this thread, I can feel it.
How did we as a society decide SRS is in any shape or form a good thing? No matter your opinion on transgenders, SRS is pretty fricked up, no? Modern day lobotomies.
I truly don't know man. I'm with some other anons in this thread in that I truly do not hate trans people, or anyone really - actual, anger-filled hate is an exhausting practice that only serves to waste your energy that you could be spending on anything else. But nothing about this looks or feels right. People who were very clearly born male which is visible from first glance and audible from the first word you hear them speak, maybe they're balding, maybe they still got a little stubble on their face - but honestly, I'll still accept it, if it's what makes them happy.
But is it really what makes them happy, or is it just a mask they wear to feign happiness because they're already too far into it to quit and there's no other alternative for them? I have no gender dysphoria so I can't fully speak on this subject, but I honestly cannot be convinced that these heaps of FTM people who almost always just look really, really awful, got rid of their genitals and have to dilate their new vegana daily so that the body doesn't naturally close it up are happy. That they're satisfied with this and that this is what they always wanted, who they were always meant to be, and that this gives them the inner peace their gender dysphoria would never allow them to have.
I don't hate anyone for being trans but this shit just doesn't feel right. The medical science just isn't there yet.
>FTM people who almost always just look really, really awful, got rid of their genitals and have to dilate their new vegana daily so that the body doesn't naturally close it up are happy.
That's male to female, though we really ought to call it male to woman since they can never become female.
Oh whoops yeah, got em mixed up.
>you will never be a eoman
>okay you can be a woman but you will never be female!
Fricking Cinemaphile..
>it's just a mutilated tree
They know they don't magically get real working veganas and ovaries. It's funny but it's not an argument against surgery.
>They know they don't magically get real working veganas and ovaries
No they dont, trannies keep arguing that they have real veganas and are real women
The argument is that "woman" is a gender identity which is not bound by the de-facto body you have.
So trans women are women before they ever do anything because they have decided for themselves that is how they feel about themselves and wish to be perceived.
They do not undergo surgery and hormone treatment to become women, they merely make the body fit their idea of themselves.
And of course neo-veganas are real in that they literally exist. They are not identical to one organically grown, of course.
But you are trying to argue to someone who spent years and large sums of money into affirming their identity they aren't "real".
Have you ever tried to tell a metal fan owning hundreds of albums, wearing an outfit covered in band patches, living weekends at concerts that they're not a real fan because they can't recall some trivia, or were born too late or something?
Because that's basically what you are doing. You are telling people the thing that defines their existence isn't so.
Ah ok. So if I have get money, I can control the fabric of reality.
That's pretty neat.
If your existence is defined by your gender, that's pathetic. There is so much more to being a woman than looking like one.
Like? Because if none of those things are bound in biology, then even men can do those things.
Like menstruate like I am right now? Give birth? Be afraid of being raped if walking alone at night in an urban area?
First two are bound to biology. Second one mite be true if a person is a passing troony, otherwise thay have to fear "just" being killed.
Menstruation and pregnancy are keystone to the female gender. It marks sexual maturity even when you are not mentally mature quite yet. It's debilitating. It is exhausting. A transwoman will never know the experience shared with almost all biological women. You choose to suffer, we didn't.
What about women that are sterile. Are they women or not? Also
But they still have the repercussions of sexual maturity. Boobs are great but bras suck. You get judged if you don't wear one.
XX
There you go, the absolute answer to you morons. You have those sex chromosomes you are a woman, end of discussion
Not all women have those chromosomes
Not entirely. I wouldn't call a little girl a woman because she has XX chromosomes and there are some semen-producing men with XX chromosomes as well. All that really matters if you have/had the ability to produce sperm and if one point in life you had ova.
>semen-producing men
>XX chromosomes
Source?
That type of intersex cannot produce viable gametes, same as XY women.
Oh, you're right, my bad. They're intersex and infertile with male parts.
The chromosomes define your secondary swx characteristics. Aside from genitalia which have a function aparto from looks, if you can have a person look like the other sex, whats the point of the genes?
So to be clear, your argument is that a woman like the one in the example from
is actually a man and should be immediately banned from female restrooms upon diagnosis, right?
Yes
Trannies will overstate the inaccuracy of this claim to make it seem like sex categorization is a fluke.
XX > female > woman/girl
XY > male >man/boy
This works for >99% of the population.
Gender identity categorization works for maybe
~10% of the population--that's my estimate.
My justification is most people don't have a gender identity, they have a sex identity.
Nobody can properly explain what a gender identity even is. Not even the people who claim to have one.
Not all women can get pregnant or periods
To be fair, I'm pretty sure in most (all?) cases not getting periods or infertility in premenopausal women are a sign that something is medically wrong - whether it's hormones out of whack, a physical defect, etc.
There are people who are biologically intersex that produce and even carry eggs. Biology is kind of fricky.
Depends on how well she passes. You better not be coming into the women's restroom with chin stubble.
We separate people not because they look different but because mrn can predate women. Why does it matter if this person who whole lifr as a women has a stubble? Not like they are going to assault women in bathrooms upon finsing out their genetic makeup. Shouldnt you fear lesbians?
>There are people who are biologically intersex that produce and even carry eggs. Biology is kind of fricky.
What types of intersex? XY women do not have viable eggs. There was once a case of a chimera XX/XY woman giving birth but that was through IVF and HRT to simulate a normal woman's menstrual cycle since she had a uterus.
Well Cinemaphile?
>no one is too young to consent
They literally just want to rape children. These sick fricks.
Not really but I'm definitely against the existence of this c**t who gives their entire community a worse name by continuing to live and post awful comics. That and the "tracing pictures of little boys in their underwear for diapergay commissions" thing, but that made me laugh harder than any of her comics ever have so I'll let it slide.
How did we even get to the point where people in positions of power are trying to unironically argue that men can get pregnant?
If they said otherwise the cult will dox and harass them.
>If they said otherwise the cult will dox and harass them.
How can we make them more afraid of normal people lynching them than perverted crossdressers harassing them?
Accepting that masculine and feminine are traits that come with gendered language. It's like how a robot with a feminine voice is referred to as a woman even though biology isn't a factor. If man and woman are accepted as social labels as well as biological descriptors, men can get pregnant.
That's not how it works.
>Accepting that masculine and feminine are traits that come with gendered language
No, those come from biology, and our language reflects that fact, which is why every attempt to change language to appease troony insanity becomes self-evidently insane itself.
Calling a robot a woman or a man is just an informal metaphor, saying that it's LIKE a woman or man in some ways.
No mature person would actually believe a robot is a woman or man.
>Dated two girls in high school
>They both ended up as trannies
What does this mean?
it means it's time for a real holocaust
I'm pretty sure plato didnt say "evil men" but "inferior men".
By "evil men" he clearly meant trannies.
>doxed with 2 x
homie dose that matter
Girls who are guys are easy to relate to. They're bros. Good for you.
>you didn't stay a woman, now it's time to kill muh gorillians
You're just an entitled b***h.
>Girls who are guys are easy to relate to. They're bros. Good for you
They're gross, and so are you
Your dick is cursed. Sorry for your burden.
How women go troony?
take test and remove boob, some get bottom surgery but most keep pussy
Congratulations, you're the ultimate male!
Five grand seems pretty cheap for something like that.
One of my friends had appendicitis, and that shit was like $20,000
>another unfunny unmemeable /misc/thread by bored obsessed rednecks.
It's a direct quote from an episode of South Park. But I guess we can't have a thread about anything that personally offends you, right?
LOL I know it is, but it's not memeable or particularly funny when it's being used outside of the context. South Park has empathy for people, as a satire show (an image covered a bit by its brutal and hilarious satire).
OP is doing it to just hate on trannies. That's the difference. South Park's writers are not Black folk, but he is.
>by bored obsessed rednecks.
I know y'all mostly just wanna be left alone but you should've culled the "die cis scum" part of your community a decade ago rather than letting them be the voice of trans people who keep shoving themselves into everything they can.
>"die cis scum" was the voice of trans people
You're taking one meme person circulated on Cinemaphile as the voice of trans people. You can't even accept responsibility for your opinions and demand a wave of PR trained anonymous trans ambassadors to come to this site and spoon feed you approved explanations and apologize for edgy internet trannies.
>You're taking one meme person circulated on Cinemaphile
What the frick that was a big thing on Tumblr AND Twitter for years. Are you underage, disingenuous, or just moronic?
>edgy internet trannies.
>There are non internet trannies just like u and me
And Randy Marsh is a real dolphin. South Park truly was ahead of it's time.
Bitches be mad they can't seamlessly change gender like certain species of frogs.
Ooooh, look, Mephisto! Down there! More unfunny /misc/tardery. They've just decided that South Park isn't too sinful to watch after all!
Hey, OP! My girlfriend has a penis. It's the one she removed. She uses it as a dildo.
Not from herself, you understand, but from your head
Get help, troon. You'll reach your pitiful demise faster that way.
This episode was way too ahead of its time. Shame the creators became so cucked and whiny.
I hated this episode back then and I couldn't figure out why. I think the weird grossout surgery scene killed it for me back then, but I hate for it nowadays comes from me better understanding how transitioning works and how it's not comparable at all to race or species. Even for South Park standards, this one was low.
Randy was more a dolphin than anyone will ever be a woman by getting castrated, but sadly he couldn't swim in the same manner your hole doesn't self lubricate and you'll have hair grow inside your wound.
Gerald was the one who had the dolphin surgery.
How could I forget, there are other levels to the joke revolving around it.
>I hated this episode back then and I couldn't figure out why. I think the weird grossout surgery scene killed it for me back then, but I hate for it nowadays comes from me better understanding how transitioning works and how it's not comparable at all to race or species. Even for South Park standards, this one was low
don't post selfies
This whole troony business has just made me realize that white people are kind of deranged.
You'd have to be fricked in the head to think that putting on a dress makes you the opposite sex.
Jews are behind the whole thing.
White people are just midwits who are just smart enough to accept the mental gymnastics of troonyism instead of going "but that's just a man in a skirt".
I see nothing wrong with this observation aside from the fact that he should have known this before the surgery.
This predated "I am Jazz* and no, troons have been told a neovegana definitely isn't a piece of their intestine stapled to the inside out remains of their penis. For some reason they believe it, almost like they're not making competent informed decisions in a clear mental state or something.
being trans is telling me treat me special because i am mentally ill. Trans rights is a big pharma cashcow and tool to divide us even more. A man saying he likes dicks in his ass or dicks in his ass is gay,that is a factually statement and gay people will admit that. Yet a trans woman is just a man in a dress and demands you call them a woman demanding you lie to make them feel better. Being trans flys into the face of reality and becasue of your feelings acting others not to say anything. Even then if the whole world is agreeing with you,your mental illlness will still eat you up and you will still have a nice day becasue no one told you the truth. So honesltly not buying into this bullshit saves lives.
>Gets BTFO'd
>Disables comments
>Still can't define a woman
I do hope transgender surgery becomes more effective over the years, maybe to the point where its reversible if some regret it or even to the point where its completely biological and fully working
If your entire lifestyle is dependent on the government, pharmacies, and media then there's a problem.
Genuinely interested to know more about this, if you've got the time.
Anon just doesn't get it because he's never met a real trans, but only following-a-social-media-trend trans, who's a further degenerated form of the my-hair-is-blue-I'm-gay-now-gay. Because Murrica is a really dumb, broken society who does shit like that.
comics and cartoons!
He's a dolphin. And a israelite.
He's a israelitephin.
I haven't read or heard a single argument from tucutes about why transmedicalism is bad other than "because they're mean." If you ask most trans people if being trans is a choice they would say no, which literally means transmedicalists are right.
Gee it sure is tumblr around here
Well Cinemaphile?
>wooaaah dude... the WORDS, man... we like... made them up and stuff...
>like... we INVENTED the word "woman"...
>so like...
>we can just call ANYONE a woman
>that's frickin' WILD dude....
Why do you still waste your time arguing with leftoid morons, Cinemaphile?
The words mean whatever they want to them, you'll never convince them they're wrong.
Yes, words mean what we want them to mean.
You're a moron
You cant get mad at me for calling you a moron because its a made up word, homosexual.
Whoops csnt get mad at me for cslling you thst either because its a made up eord.
Checkmate, or is it?
We need to abolish the terms of male and female.
Use body type 01 and body type 02
Body type02 is not allowed to be topless
Thank you everyone in this thread. I understand the whole trans issue better as well as the weird ass drag story hour thing. I don't agree with everything, but I'm more understanding and work through this now.
i hate this gender cult so much, even if your trans and speak up about how crazy it is you still get attacked. they fail to realize how much this is really gonna frick us up in the long run. back when i transitioned to a trans male there was several road blocks now there's little to none, it's frightening how easy young children are able to permanently destroy their bodies and how money hungry these doctors are that they will manipulate parents and sell transition as a cure all.
I don't think the doctors are as money-grubby as they are afraid of being sued or doxxed.
I keep hearing it's easy but I'm not seeing any proof. Years of therapy before being given any kind of medication makes sense. These therapists don't have in house pharmacies they make money from.