>amazing score with gravitas
>every shot a painting, that cinematography has influenced many creators
>high quality costumes
>best live action batman
>underrated lex luthor, adapted to the current times
>henry cavill as the conflicted hero, wants to do what's right but doesn't want to be deified
>thousands of hidden easter eggs and references / symbolism
>crazy flash forward to a future scene where the world ended and batman is the only one taking a stand against a corrupted superman
>cute lois lane
>best action scenes in the genre
good morning SIR
>so bad it destroyed DC’s reputation for a generation
bvs was trash but movies about Shazam, Aquaman and WW were generally well-received, no?
>WW84 made more than Gunn's Pedo Squad
wew lad
1990's Image-moron-grim-dark applied to DC did no one any favors. Snyder is visual, his scripts make no sense. He specifically fricked batfleck because he couldn't think of a reasonable way to create the scenes he wanted. Snyder, much like Lucas, needs oversight to function. Without something to keep him on task, he just daydreams cool visuals.
>his scripts make no sense
Midwit.
Snyder didn't write BvS Chris Terrio did at the behest of Ben Affleck. That's how we ended up with kino fricking scenes such as this one:
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The issue with this movie was that it's like you open up a fancy buffet in the midwest. Everything you serve in the buffet is cavier, faux gras, wagyu and other high end shit. I theory it seems like a good idea but your clientele is moron soccer moms from the mid west. So you need to bite your tongue and remove 90% of that fancy eating and replace it with chicken wings and onion rings. That was the issue with BVS. They didn't adjust for their audience. There needed to be at least 2 more fight scenes, one with just Batman fricking criminals up and another Batman V Superman fight where Superman fricks him up and Batman has to escape with his life and make it like a horror movie where Superman is the monster chasing him. I like escargot personally but I couldn't eat just escargot. I occasionally need a heart clogging oily burger.
This.
I've seen threads on this board where people who hated BvS are genuinely confused as to how others viewed this movie as a metacontextual reference to how the audience and critics reacted to the sheer amount of violence shown in Man of Steel, relating it into post-911 trauma and the endless debate on the existence of a god, presented as an Arthurian legend instead of a simpler capeshit about two heroes with differing ideologies.
It's how you get people that think this is merely a butchered adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and the Death of Superman (when it never tried to be either) or how they think Godzilla v Kong is better (which isn't even comparable at all)
>It's how you get people that think this is merely a butchered adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and the Death of Superman
That is by far the funniest "criticism" because as you say, the movie makes no attempt to directly adapt either of those stories besides some visual callbacks and references. Just goes to show that most of the people who hate this movie made zero good faith attempt to understand what Snyder and Terrio were trying to say with this movie which is funny because if they put in a modicum of effort, they could find multiple interviews of Snyder breaking down and explaining his though process behind some of the decisions.
>Death of Superman (when it never tried to be either)
A fight with doomsday is NOT trying to be the death of superman storyline? So its the old "its bad on purpose" cope then?
>A fight with doomsday is NOT trying to be the death of superman storyline?
The context surrounding the fight is completely different so no. Just like the context surrounding the Batman and Superman fight in TDKR is completely different.
>So its the old "its bad on purpose" cope then?
How the frick was this your takeaway from what he said lmao?????
>The context surrounding the fight is completely different
so it took a superior story and butchered it just for a throw away cgi schlock fight? And you think that its good?
>hurr durr reductive bullshit
The Death of Superman storyline isn't even particularly good lmao BvS's story is far more compelling.
>BvS's story is far more compelling
>A fight with doomsday is NOT trying to be the death of superman storyline?
No, it's a copypaste of Excalibur, Arthur stabbing the abomination Mordred and being fatally stabbed in return. Lex is Morgana. The Kryptonian AI is Merlin.
lol
Why lol? That's literally the plot of the movie. The spear is Excalibur, and glows green because Excalibur glowed green in that movie. Lois is the Lady of the Lake, which is why she spends multiple scenes in water, either in the bath or diving to retrieve the spear.
And who is Lancelot? Gawain? Geraint? Bors the Younger? Lamorak?Kay? Gareth? Bedivere? Gaheris? Galahad? Tristan? Oh you have to cherry pick to make your moronic headcanon fit?
They think Batman is Lancelot. For the rest of those, they have no answer.
>your moronic headcanon
Snyder has said as much in interviews. It's not even that difficult to pick up on if you've seen Excalibur. Snyder isn't a subtle director, the opening scene is Bruce leaving a screening of the movie.
>Galahad?
Oh, that's easy. Remember how Batman was supposed to sleep with Lois? Their son would be Galahad, the morally pure (Dark) Knight who becomes the new Batman after Bruce's death facing Darkseid in the Bat-Cave. You might notice that Snyder/Terrio was combining Elaine of Corbenic, The Lady of the Lake, and Guinevere into a single character.
Also, anon, when they resurrect Superman, the Kryptonian AI declares:
>"THE FUTURE HAS TAKEN ROOT IN THE PRESENT."
It couldn't be more Merlin if it tried. That's literally the line from Excalibur.
>Remember how Batman was supposed to sleep with Lois?
no, know why? Because these movies are COMPLETELY forgettable.
Warner Bros made him change it so that Lois's baby is Clark's. But originally the plan was that when Superman died, Lois would meet Bruce and they would fall in love. The Snyder Cut adds in the pregnancy references that were cut in the theatrical version of JS.
I dont care, I came here to laugh at you snyder apologist morons
What's to apologize for? It's a legendary trilogy of movies that will stand the test of time.
look up the meaning of words you dont understand moron.
I agree with you for the most part but that's also why I love it. There's so many ideas and themes being explored underneath the surface of this movie that it's easy to understand why it frustrated modern audiences so much especially considering it was released during the height of the MCU. Snyder and Terrio really wanted to challenge the audience and didn't hold anything back. They also treated the two main heroes with completely sincerity and reverence which is rare to see in capeshit. But I think it works because Batman and Superman are so iconic that they almost transcend just being comic book characters. They truly are our modern day mythological legends and this movie fully embraced that.
>faux gras
it should be reiterated that this moronic attempted to spell "foei gras" as "faux gras"
checked. phone posters cant spell to save their lives
I didn't misspell anything anon. Think a little about what I said.
Ok rape you next week
I just don't like how the Gunnverse will have these two as friends from the start that's so fricking boring. Snyder had issues but Batfleck was perfec casting. I will miss brute force barbarian Batman. Now we are regressing to more realistic Batman again and it sucks.
I've seen it more times than TDK at this point and it genuinely gets better every time I watch it.
Man of Steel was a A+++++ movie ruined by joyless internet millennials who exaggerated how bad the Superman - Zod fight was.
the fight lasted half the fricking movie and made zero sense and climaxed with superman killing in cold blood. It sucked start to finish
>climaxed with superman killing in cold blood
yawnnnnnnn we're really still doing this 10 years later? get the frick over it lol as if Superman didn't also kill Zod in the donner movies or in the comics previously.
If you want to just watch dbz just go watch dbz homosexual
>killing in cold blood
How does a person become this stupid?
wtf the zod - superman fight was kino
where did you learn to fight? on a farm!?
Idgaf what anybody says MoS is one of the best capeshit movies, it never gets old to me.
>2 more weeks
I miss Phil Hartman.
Just watched this for the first time last night. Loved it compared to the garbage that is the MCU.
One thing confuses me though.
Why does Lex want to kill Batman? He's the one who goads Batman into stealing the K from him in the first place, isint that the outcome he wanted?
Also why does he even create doomsday?
>Why does Lex want to kill Batman? He's the one who goads Batman into stealing the K from him in the first place, isint that the outcome he wanted?
He just wanted them to fight he didn't particularly care about the outcome because he saw it as a win win. Either Batman wins and proves that Superman isn't some all powerful God, or Superman wins and proves he's not all good. Doomsday was just a contingency plan if neither of those outcomes happened.
>Batman wins
>Doomsday fricks the entire world
Good job moron
I mean I'll put it like this. It was a fun flick. Brainless and fun. Meanwhile Justice League was fricking dull as frick. But apparently that's the good one, is that the gist? I... yeah nah.
Peak example of how to kill a movie franchise.
Nobody remembers it anymore outside of WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!
Wrong. It's objectively still one of the most talked about and debated cbm's to this day especially compared to the marvel slop that was releasing around the same time. I mean seriously who actually talks about civil war beyond how ugly it looked.
>my capeshit is good by default because other capeshit is bad!
No, your capeshit is bad and you should feel bad.
That's not what I said you stupid homosexual. You made the claim that nobody remembers the movie outside the martha moment which is objectively incorrect. You should feel bad for being a complete fricking moronic with zero reading comprehension ability.
Why are you so upset, child? Did the meanie Marvel fans steal your Pokémon cards?
>changes the subject when proven wrong and called out on his moronation
I accept your concession.
Oof. Not a good look for you at this point, Mister K.
Your superhero movies... they're just bad, okay? Really, really bad. You should just grow up, maybe get a job, touch grass, meet a girl. No more superhero movies, okay?
Says the homosexual in a capeshit thread on Cinemaphile. You should honestly kys
Wowie-zowie right in my mother boxerinos!
True, I can't recall a single scene from that movie other than this which was meme'd to death and I watched it twice lmao
End of the day, Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Justice League are a body of work we're still talking about all these years later, and I suspect we'll still be talking about them 20 years from now.
The world is full of forgettable garbage that wishes it were half as memorable and culturally significant.
The only thing I care about in Man of Steel is my waifu
Kudos to the casting director
I didn't really like it. I've liked Batman since I was a kid and it was just too edgy. It kind of half works for the Nolan trilogy but it doesn't work for the Snyderslop.
I think what filters Cinemaphilegays from ever enjoying BvS is that they can't see Batman as anything else but a hero. Batfleck is a straight up villain in the movie until the pivotal "Martha" scene.
As shown in Justice League, the round table isn't even complete yet.
>pivotal "Martha" scene
Dont you mean the laugh out loud hilariously bad scene? Me and several other strangers in the theater started laughing at this shit. Its written by morons for morons.
>Batman is actually...a VILLAIN!
>Never been done before in the comics so comicgays won't get it!
Yeah Batman has never been a bad guy before in the comics...
Kek that shit looks so goofy.
>Never been done before in the comics so comicgays won't get it!
Yes.
>implying you have to be the bad guy to be the villain
>in the theater
There's your problem
>Yes.
Red Rain and Noel. Two comics where Batman is either irredeemably evil or learning to be less brutal.
The latter literally being Affleck's arc, and it's one of the most popular Batman comics.
Your move.
>You don't have to be the bad guy to be a villain!
Name me a story where the good guy is the villain. Not a story where a good guy is morally grey, but a story where the good guy is the actual villain.
>Name me a story where the good guy is the villain
watchmen
>There's your problem
the problem with the shit eating script was the theater? Yeah that sounds about right coming from a snyder moron.
>I didn't understand the cut script so it must be the problem
Average Snyder hating midwit
>Kek that shit looks so goofy.
Goofier than this?
No, they're equally goofy. I'd laugh my ass off at both of them.
by far
nah
lol, look at this fat ass
cope
Oh no! It's Owlman!
>mogs your favorite Batman
nothing personal kiddos but effeminate brits have no business playing the Bat
lol look at the amounts of post edits on the right. Soulless slop
It's a promotional image and not even the original version at that. What an autistic thing to complain about lol
Comparing 19 year old Batman to 45 year old Batman doesn't really make any sense. The whole point of battinson is that he's green and awkward.
That's Christian Bale in that image sir but also Battinson was never supposed to be 19 in The Batman and if he was that's fricking hilarious because he's clearly a 30 year old man who still talks to Alfred like an angsty teenager.
Both Bale and Pattinson aren't American.
Both Bale and Pattinson talk to their Alfred's like angsty teens in their first respective entries.
Bale is playing a noob batman in the first movie. He isn't even batman yet most of the movie. Affleck is playing a very old Batman and Battinson is playing a year 2 batman
Damn, wish she played Catwoman.
And yes, you're right.
Pattinson learns the lessons Bale learned in Year One before being Batman as Batman in Year Two.
My bad but yeah I think he's like 19-20ish in the movie, he's too old for it but that's the vibe they wanted. Like aged up version of the tv show Gotham basically.
Nope. Bruce is 10 when his parents are murdered and the movie specifically states as soon as he gets back to the Batcave at the start that The Riddler killed the mayor on the 20th anniversary of their murder. He's 30. He speaks to Alfred like an angsty teen because this movie's angle with Bruce was to focus on the inner child/childhood trauma that means he never properly grew up and makes him dress like a bat and beat the shit out of poor criminals imagining each one of them is Joe Chill. Hence why at the end, you get the symbolism of him taking the mayor's son's hand.
We're in a thread made to praise BvS.
Midwits don't understand kino my friend.
Based Battinson enjoyer. I did like the cinematography of BvS for the most part and I appreciate that it definitely tried to explore multiple themes, it's just a shame Snyder and Terrio did it at the level of a 16 year old who has just attended their first philosophy class.
huh well that changes everything, that makes that movie significantly worse and I already thought it was a 4/10
>Alfred look! It's Burger Barn! Burger Barn Alfred!
yes, yes you are
Batman is a dumb idea to take seriously. There is a 0% chance people wouldn't be able to tell Superman and Batman are Clark and Bruce. It's like when people in zombie movies have never seen a zombie movie, it's just dumb.
or this?
>posts a screenshot of an actor moving in a scene after posting two professional still photographs
I see we're in the desperate phase of the discussion.
>Watchmen
Rorschach isn't the villain, Ozymandius is. Unless you're saying Ozy is the good guy?
>Unless you're saying Ozy is the good guy?
Dr. Manhatten is the one who allows the whole drama to go on and murders Rorschach to do it.
None of them are heroes. They're all bad guys, except maybe Night Owl and Silk Spectre.
None of them were ever good. That's the whole point of Watchmen. I think you're confusing protagonist with good guy.
Awkward yes, but not as goofy as the other two.
>saving the world from nuclear war makes you the villain
Which one?
Kovacs kills people. That's bad.
Manhattan kills people. That's bad.
Veidt kills people. That's bad.
If you wanna argue Owl or Spectre are the good guys, sure.
But anyone but them? There's no argument. They aren't the good guys, and they fail to stop millions from dying.
Exactly like
stated, Cinemaphilegays cannot understand nuance.
>only sees characters as good or bad
>wants to talk about nuance
lol you cant make this shit up
I'm not the one who said killing people = bad guy, no argument
You're talking to the wrong guy. There are now multiple people who think you're wrong. That will require keeping up with the flow of conversation.
>Screw him killing people he's the good guy!
>You don't get nuance!
You're a talented projectionist.
More like mogs the local Burger King.
He is the good guy in the sense that he's the one who prevents nuclear war but is also the villain in the sense that he is the main antagonist and responsible for the murder that kickstarts the story. Is that not what
was asking?
My initial question is inherently a Catch 22.
No one can be a good guy and be the villain.
That's a contradiction.
You have shown that by trying to defend Veidt.
Veidt is not a good guy for stopping nuclear war by killing millions.
If you can't see that nuance, I can't help you.
>Veidt is not a good guy for stopping nuclear war by killing millions.
So he would be a good guy by not doing anything and letting nuclear holocaust happen.
He would be a good guy if he attempted to subvert nuclear holocaust (which is bad precisely because it kills people) in a way that didn't involve killing people (which is why nuclear holocaust is bad).
That's the nuance of the story. Sacrifice millions for billions.
But that doesn't make him good.
>Sacrifice millions for billions.
The needs of the many
Indeed. That's the nuance.
Either you let the inherent contradiction go to attempt to see the benefits, or you don't.
The man is a narcissistic sociopath who murders innocent people to stop innocent people from being murdered.
>The man is a narcissistic sociopath
You missed the entire point of that story.
I'm sure I did.
Because you know that the Black Freighter is representative of Veidt's plan right? That it not only parallels it, but it gives an answer to the question itself?
The folly of both the Black Freighter's lead and Veidt is their narcissism and pride.
Both are so confident that something is going to happen, that they enact a plan which turns out to be based on a poor prediction?
You knew that, didn't you?
One of the writers of the story certainly did. In fact, he talks about it quite a lot.
I bet you were going to bring that up, and I just happened to say it first.
He is prideful and to an extent egotistical but was by not a sociopath. He did what he thought was best based on the circumstances flawed as it might have been.
If you don't think that a person who wrongly predicts a nuclear war just so he can isolate himself in Antarctica in order to drop a squid on three million people is a sociopath, I don't see where else this conversation can go.
Only a sociopath would kill millions of people.
To save BILLIONS!
Kek.
>He was a good guy because he had a reason to make a false prediction and kill millions to save billions that he assumed could possibly be in danger.
Yeah because there was absolutely no reason why someone would predict nuclear war in the 1980s.
The point of the story is that he couldn't prevent nuclear holocaust any other way. He was a good guy who had to be a villain to save the human race.
>Awkward
Pretty fitting for this iteration of the character then.
All right fine here's the pencil neck in the gimp mask standing still. Happy?
I'm not really a cogay I have only seen the old tv show and the movies. I've never seen any of the cartoon series or read any of the comics. In fact the only comics I have ever read were these free spiderman ones they gave out at the rodeo and some deadpool ones my friend gave me as a present one time.
I just think Batman is inherently pretty goofy so trying to make it serious is dumb. The fun of Batman is that he's over the top and has gadgets so he can do crazy shit. I don't give a frick about any melodrama or trauma or any of that other dumb shit. Sprsrs Jokershit is also cringe to me.
I also consider this criticism very accurate and distracting. If you told me batfleck happened in the kevin smith cinematic universe I'd believe you and that would actually make a lot more sense.
>Affleck can't play anyone but himself.
The problem with /cogays/ is their immaturity and inability to understand any form of nuance. They see Batman killing people and think that means Snyder endorses it even though Batman gives a 5 minute speech at the end about how he was wrong.
/co/gays' moronation is that they autistically hate anything that doesn't feel like their incredibly stupid and immature comics.
>b-but muh comix!
Seriously. 90% of all criticism used to be that the film wasn't the same as some arbitrary comic, whining that Batman and Superman don't act like they do in the Cinemaphilegay's favourite kids' book.
Nevermind that Batman and Superman are different in every iteration or that whether or not the film is actually good, they just wanted to see their favourite colouring book adapted as a film. It's only after relentlessly making fun of them for being manchildren that they pivoted and claimed that the film is boring or whatever.
BvS opened my eyes that a quality product doesnt necessarily do well.
Lifelong fan of Batman. I remember drawing comics with Batman fighting Two-Face in first grade.
BvS is hot garbage, and the extended cut doesn't help at all.
Affleck can't play anyone but himself. He can't become a different person.
Bale can, Pattinson can, and Keaton can. Why is why they will go down as the best live action Bat-Men.
Affleck is the definitive Batman and mogs the other actors so hard it isn't even funny. He's also the best Bruce Wayne by far. The only time I actually felt like I was watching the character from the comics on the screen was in BvS and ZSJL.
Bom Dia senhor!!
Zack is basically a music video director. He can make things visually look cool but he can’t write or direct. This is precisely why 300 and Watchmen were decent projects. He had comic books to follow precisely and carefully for plot and general storyboarding providing clues as to how to direct. If he wants to be a success he should just accept this reality in any future projects, keep him away from the script and provide very well put together storyboards from successful projects. He could have made an excellent “the dark knight returns” for example, or any other number of comic book adaptations. But let him tinker with the script and the storyboard and it’s a big fricking mistake. He actually could have made an excellent director for most of the DC films if they just went panel-by-panel copying the comics. But they didn’t. They let this dude get moronic and the whole DC universe collapsed into a shit heap.
I liked it. I wonder if it'll get vindicated in the future.
I dont know about peak but it will be up there
Peak amerimutt goyslop
its got a lot to like about it. I think the main issue was the film marketed as another MCU type of film. People went in to the film with a lot of dialogue and not much action until the last hour and then its a sensory overload. Editing of the theatrical is a fricking mess that skips vital character progression for Superman and why he dislikes Batman.
sneeder fans, what is the cure for them?
its like lars von trier fans there's no cure you just pop tylenol and try to ignore them
What's wrong with Lars von Trier? At least he knows when he's making something so stupid you're supposed to laugh at it
just that like snyder a lot of his work and fans and personality are quite obnoxious
they have some good parts too tho
Man of Steel is my peak capekino. I was hoping for more from BvS, and was disappointed by the theatrical release but the ultimate cut made up for it. Unfortunately... it was all downhill from there. Aquabro was fun but forgettable as was Wondergal. What we really needed was another movie before BvS. Justice League theatrical was one of the most disappointing film experiences ever.
But I have Man of Steel. It exists, and the lamentations of redditors keep me warm at night as I watch it again. And again. And... again.
Have you watched Snyder Cut yet, anon?
Snyder cut of Man of Steel does not exist, or rather, it's the theatrical version, AFAIK.
Snyder cut of BvS = Ultimate version, no? Or is there another?
I meant Justice League.
SnyderLeague was a lot - and I mean a LOT - more enjoyable than the theatrical abomination we got. The characters were treated with a lot more dignity, instead of mouthing off MarvelQuips. The flashbacks showing the old gods were suitably epic, would have liked to have seen more of that. The Martian Manhunter bit made absolutely zero sense. But what I really didn't like was crappy aspect ratio. W T F F. But I'm really glad we got to see it.
>Martian Manhunter
Yeah I hated that too and it kinda ruined Lois and Martha's interaction. The scene with Alfred on the other hand is supposed to be Green Lantern, not MM.
>Aspect Ratio
It's not cropped in. It's much closer to how it would have looked on IMAX. If you really wanted, just zoom it in on your TV until it's 16:9.
It's been almost 8 years since BvS premiered in cinema and Marvlets and plebs are still butthurt about this movie lmao
I mean I get them, 8 years later and there are still thread discussing this kino on Cinemaphile
Idk how many threads are made for the marvel slop of the week but they surely don't pop 6 month after the premier
To any anon spitting on BvS I hope you're getting payed for that
>unironically the greatest capekino to ever exist exists purely due to a fluke of executive mismanagement
Hack Sneeders career is dead, bury it. Consider this mercy.
>just released ANOTHER insanely popular original blockbuster that's topping the streaming charts
>this comes following 2 oscar wins for his previous 2 films
>has another film releasing in 3 months that's hyped to hell
lmao seethe harder
Tell me, do you breed?
You won't.
>troony trying to "no u"
So did Snyder like defile your anus or what? You just seem incredibly butthurt about a guy who's busy making kino
Good morning sirs... Snyder film with Naomi Scott would be kino.
>underrated lex luthor, adapted to the current times
Look at this homie baiting
BvS is absolutely fascinating up the the point it turns into dragonball.