By this point, has the Akira bike slide replaced the Wilhelm scream as the cringiest recurring pop culture reference?
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By this point, has the Akira bike slide replaced the Wilhelm scream as the cringiest recurring pop culture reference?
>wilhelm scream is cringey
You're cringey
Get pissed on. The Wilhelm scream is beyond overused and breaks immersion. It adds nothing.
To be fair, people getting a kick of self aware nonsense like overused references, and people going overboard with what "immersion" actually amounts to in narrative media are just two different flavors of stupid.
>immersion bad
NTA but if thats what you took away from that then it's obvious you're who he's talking about
You don't add nothing
I think it's mostly cringey from a filmmakers or a film buff perspective. Normies usually don't know what it is and don't notice it at all. Nobody says anything when a pig or a boar makes the same synthesized pig noise that every other pig/boar in media makes (think of the warcraft 2 boar critter sound), and I'm pretty sure that's statistically used more often.
Anon, these references ARE for normies. They're entry-level "buff" trivia for them to feel they're "catching" an intrincate easter egg.
That doesn't contradict what I said. Most normies don't know what a 'wilhelm scream' is. Film appreciation tourists point and go 'its the thing!' People who actually study film wince and go 'cmon man..'
>People who actually study film wince and go 'cmon man..'
You're a homosexual pretending to be knowledgeable, which is the cringiest thing in this thread
Dilate moron
No fun allowed - anon
It makes laugh, and that adds enough.
you are a homosexual
No because people still use the Wilhelm scream.
So as long as somebody uses it it remains the most cringy by seniority?
Why do references bother so many people? Every thing has references.
autistic people get obsessed with extremely inconsequential things, it's one of their defining characteristics
The internet's trained people to try and pick everything to pieces nowadays. It's a product of ultra-cynicism.
It’s been happening for a long time dude
I ship Connie with Raphael
Alright, let's take the gif in the OP for example. How about the fact that they're mostly unfunny? How about the fact that it comes across as the writers trying to put the idea in people's heads that Steven Universe is totally like Akira in the hopes that the fans flood the internet with the scene and create memes about it to make the show look cooler than it is, i.e. free advertising? How about the fact that it makes the writers look pretentious about how "cultured" they are for being aware of the existence of something that everyone in their generation has seen by now? How about the fact that it's presented in a way that's practically shoved in your face instead of tastefully putting it to the side to reward eagle-eye viewers? How about the fact that it's a poor substitute for having the characters perform their own cool and unique poses and animations?
The OP example amounts to nothing more than a fancier version of the way Gumball desperately throws everything at the wall in an attempt that some social media users use the show's obvious attempt at reaction images to advertise itself.
You're psychotic, and I don't even like Steven Universe. Seek help.
He's the one that asked and people don't get annoyed at references for some autistic, irrational reason that even the people getting annoyed can't articulate on when asked about it. I've watched Steven Universe in its entirety with my brain turned off but everything I listed at the top of my head are typically the reasons as to why references rub people the wrong way, are they not?
You're autistic. You're moronic. You're a homosexual. You have to have a nice day.
>How about the fact that they're mostly unfunny?
>How about the fact that it's a poor substitute for having the characters perform their own cool and unique poses and animations?
These are pretty normal reasons that people don't like references.
>How about the fact that it comes across as the writers trying to put the idea in people's heads that Steven Universe is totally like Akira in the hopes that the fans flood the internet with the scene and create memes about it to make the show look cooler than it is, i.e. free advertising? How about the fact that it makes the writers look pretentious about how "cultured" they are for being aware of the existence of something that everyone in their generation has seen by now? How about the fact that it's presented in a way that's practically shoved in your face instead of tastefully putting it to the side to reward eagle-eye viewers?
This ranges from situational issues to pure conjecture.
Holy shit anon everything after the word "unfunny" and before the last sentence is you making shit up in your head to get obsessively mad about. Calm the frick down.
>saying Gumball is as unfunny and shit as steven universe and not even mentioning Regular shit
Verification not required, also kys anon
You're mentally ill.
if you're studying animation, 99% of aspiring animators have reanimated the Akira slide. Same as how if you're studying film, 99% of aspiring filmmakers have done Lumiere bros or Wilhelm scream references in their projects. Overexposure is annoying.
You act like every single episode is doing the Akira drift or every single movie is doing the Wilhelm scream every ten minutes bro. If you're that triggered then don't watch anything made post Akira.
you're a filthy consoomer
A reference for the sake of itself is stupid.
Like why the frick would a lion ever drift like a vehicle? It lacks internal logic and a person who has never seen Akira is going to question the logic of such a scene.
Raph skidding on his motorcycle at least makes sense. It retains logical consistency and the scene doesn't require further context to make sense.
>Like why the frick would a lion ever drift like a vehicle?
that's the joke
It’s not a funny joke, making it a cringey reference that serves no purpose.
It's a cartoon, you actual autist. The lion does weird shit all the time.
>Like why the frick would a lion ever drift like a vehicle? It lacks internal logic and a person who has never seen Akira is going to question the logic of such a scene.
Cause cartoons are meant to be fun you fricking stick in the mud.
>A reference for the sake of itself is stupid
Not necessarily. A reference to show affection or respect is ok, even if the only value of the result is as a reference. A reference whose only value is in the reference AS a reference is 100% stupid though, I agree.
The Akira bike reference is just tacky, it's a jarring camera angle that rips your focus out of whatever you were watching and forces you to go "Oh right, Akira. Not really relevant to this but that sure was a good movie"
The story hasn't been enriched because you shoehorned in an obvious reference to one of the most famous animated movies ever made, it'd be like if swaths of Hollywood screenwriters felt the need to include a black piano player named Sam who plays As Time Goes By in their scripts because they thought it was really clever to reference Casablanca. References like the Akira bike slide seem like a crutch for someone who's begging the audience to like them, and is looking for brownie points by homaging better stories than the one they're telling
I never understood why out of all things in Akira to reference that are far more memorable why "reference" this brief shot, its not important in the movie or the most memorable or iconic visual in the movie, so why? It feels like people do it just to do it and not that they actually give a shit about akira
It looks cool
It's a sign of creative stagnation. If you're so creatively stunted you can't even think of your own references it's hopeless
>your own references
What a bizarre concept
That's where we're at unfortunately
1. Most of the references are to things kids (supposedly the targeted audience of these shows) wont understand
2. The references are never subtle and always call too much attention to themselves
3. The shows never reference anything niche, it's always some cringy meme or anime as a way of saying to the audience "hey guys, we're quirky nerds just like you!"
One reference I always liked was the dbz reference in FoP: Channel Chasers because as a kid, it was cool seeing something niche I liked getting acknowledged and referenced. It felt like the artists and writers actually understood what they were referencing and were making fun of the tropes through the playful reference. References in modern cartoons are done for the sake of the reference and show no artistic knowledge of the artists behind the cartoon. It's just narcissistic women showrunners trying to show everyone what a heckin nerdxd they are so they choose to reference something everyone knows about or has already been referenced to death even if they have surface level knowledge of what is being referenced. And like the other anon said, most references just don't make logical sense and are very jarring.
>because as a kid, it was cool seeing something niche I liked getting acknowledged and referenced
imagine thinking fricking DBZ was niche in 2004
Zoomers didn't give a shit about anime until 2012 at the earliest so yes, in my upbringing, anime was niche. People picked on me for reading Naruto 3-in-1 manga and drawing in an anime artstyle. It is interesting how popular dbz was with millennials in the 90s but the popularity just didn't seem to carry over at all with Zoomers. Saying you like anime was social suicide for early Zoomers.
you're moronic
Grown adults celebrating pattern recognition is like watching a grown man clap at jingling keys.
Inside jokes are fun when they're inside. When they become mainstream, they're just trying hard and its people bandwagoning for clout. It becomes desperate and sad.
If you're trying to use that comic to illustrate your point, you don't understand the comic. It's not about whether or not something becomes 'mainstream' it's about how capitalism coopts anything spontaneous and fun for the sake of advertising, which instantly sucks all joy out of it.
>wilhelm was an inside joke around sound engineers
>now every company is aware of it and puts it in cause the audience will love it! think of the clout!
same energy.
capitalism isn't a person, moron, and the people making the decision to try to capitalize on meme culture for marketing are usually hipster zoomers working in marketing roles who claim to hate capitalism.
Lmao, no they not, they're old dinosaurs trying to look hip n cool
The best reference is one that isn't identified as a reference.
This, Nu-Spongebob references a lot of really old things like the Little Rascals and Peter Lorre, things almost all zoomers never even heard of. Yet it works because it comes off as original to the average audience. Everyone and their mother knows what Akira is and almost every cartoon in the last twenty years has done the bike slide at least once. The only show that referenced the movie that didn’t use that scene was unironically early South Park.
it went from homages in other good works to "how can we cram Akira slide in after seeing top 10 Akira slide compilation"
Because it's jarring. If your goal as a storyteller is to draw people into your world and you hit them with an on the nose reference then you're undermining your work
Fine then let me ask you this. If you don't know what the reference is when you first watch or read the media in question, how is that supposed to be undermining their work if the people watching/reading don't get the reference and just assume it's part of the actual media in question? It's like, are people just not supposed to know about other shows or movies? Are all references bad? We're specifically talking about the WIlhelm Scream and the Akira Slide, two things that only get used when somebody is either A.) Falling to their doom, or B.) Sliding their vehicle to a stop.
Both of those references work because they fit the needed scene without taking anything away from it. This isn't like say, old Looney Tunes where some frickin' random celebrity would show up, say a line, and then frick off and completely derail the actual cartoon for a few seconds.
It looks cool. Stop being a b***h.
Who gives a Fibonacci-shaped penis about a damn homage? If you get the reference, it's a cool thing you recognize, and if you don't, it's just a cool thing. Did Quentin Tarantino teach you nothing?
Tarantino is cringe
Yea it's gotten to the point where I as a 19 year old don't even know what Akira is but I've probably seen over five different cartoons reference it and I instinctively know the reference just by name only
>im arguing with anons born in 2004
frick me
It's hard to really let sink in
Not a day goes by that I do not stay my hand in an internet argument because I realize my interlocutor could easily be young enough to be my kid.
Nobody is young enough to be your kid when you're an autistic virgin, anon.
>don't even know what Akira is
How the frick have people this ill-versed in animation even found a place like fricking Cinemaphile let alone Cinemaphile? I don't give a shit about your age, it's fricking Akira for fricks sake, its fallout on Western culture is why this site even fricking exists.
I came here for the cartoon porn
i am the same age as this anon and i have seen it in theatres twice
Im only two years older than you and I know what Akira is and have seen it. Christ alive go consume some culture instead of YouTube shorts or something
itt: defensive basic b***hes in denial
Characters flossing is worse than both of these combined
Well that's not a "reference" exactly any more than any depiction of the cultural present in general is.
:^)
I don't know what this is or where it's from, it just looks like a funny dance, why does it bother people
Nothing more cringe than adults trying to appeal to kids by using their memes.
Characters flossing in cartoons is to the 2010s what characters rapping in cartoons was for the 80s and early 90s. Something that even at the time felt awkward and is/will be looked back on even worse.
Akira is only known because of its animation right? The story was mid
It's based on a massive manga series that fleshes out the story and is genuinely fricking incredible, they did their best condensing it into such a relatively short movie. But yeah, it's the animation it's famous for, one of the best examples of what Japan was able to do when their animation industry was full of talent and before their housing bubble went pop.
I always like Tetsuo's character of resentful anger over being the runt of the litter all his life, and his relationship with Kaneda. It's what maintains interest in the movie for me until they get bogged down in the psychic kids and the evolution of mankind and shit, which really doesn't do the movie any favors, but is somewhat understandable considering the manga wasn't even done when they made the movie
It's artstyle played a role in the shift from angular Shounen design to "realistic" ones
The depth is non-existent, garbage like this makes me want to vomit
>not liking the Wilhelm scream
>get a badass magical Lion pet
>name it “Lion”
how could a show be this soulful yet uncreative at the same time
SU in general feels like it was being pulled in two ways, one of genuinely interesting ideas and concepts, the other of being aggressively mundane and safe. I guess that's what happens when you don't actually try and control the full direction of the show and let your boarders do whatever the frick they want.
They go by so fast I don't really commit to memory how often it's used. Personally a split second reference isn't a big deal to me if it isn't pointed out in the narrative like a stupid self aware joke.
So fricking lame comparing this kiddie cal arts looking slop to the beautiful akira shot. Its almost insulting
Literally everything trying to reference it, even other anime, fail to capture the essence of it and why so many people liked the moment.
The Wilhelm scream originated from an exaggerated scene and is usually used comedically now, that isn't cringe
The Akira slide was meant to be cool from the beginning and everyone imitating it is trying to be as cool as that but failing, which is the cringe part
The Wilhelm scream isn't even a reference you moron, it's just a fun little tradition to use it among filmmakers because people have been doing it for so long. Is putting up a christmas tree every december a reference? You are deranged and need to be put down.
What makes the scream a tradition and a vine boom sfx a reference for example? Is it just how long it's been in use? Or the people using it? Would the vine boom eventually become tradition as well?
they should reference different shit
i'm tired of seeing akira slides and sailor moon
this is ultimately the problem, people dont fill their works with references to the niche pieces of art they enjoy, instead they choose the same "in-jokes" every time that everyone knows, which is why akira bike slides or sailor moon transformation scenes are so stale.
When done right, a reference or an homage to something can be refreshing and fun, just look at the Venture Bros, that show is chockfull of references to obscure shit, but it never feels like it because they are drawing from such a wide range of influences, instead of just a few. Its also a problem of media literacy among creatives, its rare to find someone creating something who is actually well read on a subject, or has in depth knowledge aside from what they are expected to know about it i feel.
To be fair, TVB also used VERY broad references extensively. It's just that having to New York art scene guys writing the show also made for a lot of other less accessible stuff though still accessible enough for regular people to get.
Pretty much this. Plus isn't the point of nerd references for cool points based on how obscure the reference is? Surface level shit is plebian and if you were really cool you'd make references that people don't even recognize unless you really know or go back and go "hey is this a reference to X or just coincidence?"
Yeah this. I don't see people complain about Lord of the Rings references for example because despite how fricking massive those movies were they seem to only happen once in a blue moon, and what's been referenced varies a lot. People freaked out at Regular Show's anime opening joke because it was such a clear homage to the Evangelion intro, something that basically never gets referenced in Western media (the intro specifically I mean). Stuff like the Akira bike slide and Sailor Moon transformation have just been referenced to death, shit I'd even be fine with OTHER Akira and Sailor Moon references like
, it's just that those two in particular have been run into the fricking ground.
It's actually funny how modern Mangaka think of 2000s stuff like Index or Bleach when they hear "old anime"
Meanwhile Western Boomers still think of Sailor Moon when they hear anime
for me it's the mutation that needs to be referenced more
I think we need more Dune references that aren't just quotes about spice.
Dune actually gets a shit ton of references.
It's just that Dune was super niche outside of Sci-Fi enthusiasts until a couple of years ago that nobody even noticed Dune references were happening.
Legitimately curious for some examples, that is kind of the catch to making more niche references, if you're not careful in the way you do it, either nobody gets the reference and it just seems like a weird out of place line or something, or you weave it in carefully enough that it's not even clear it's a reference to anything at all and nobody picks up on it except for like the 10 people who also know about that thing you're referencing. The latter is fine, and ideally the way creators should aim to work references and homages into their work, but for a lot of people that kind of ruins the fun of it if nobody gets it, so instead they do the obvious thing that everyone gets.
Or the explosion
It's just wilhelm scream: anime edition.
Rather, media as a whole is fricking lame now so any reference is immediately poisoned by serial groomers with no sense of style.
It’s wierd how this gets refferenced when in fact Akira is one, if not the best directed animated movie of all times. There are so many camera and light tricks that could fascinate an animator/director in that movie. Why do those not get refferenced?
I think the thing that bothers me the most about the Akira Bike Slide in modern animation specifically is that it's done in shows that typically have really static cameral angles with little to no action, so when it happens it's jarring as frick. I didn't mind it in older shows like TMNT 03 or Clone Wars because it actually was something that fit into the general tone and camera direction of those shows.
If they're on a bike then whatever. If you so desperately want to get that reference in there that you start using animals then seek help
I want to see a show that is EXCLUSIVELY made of references, just to piss off OP.
Consoom the emptiness away, my friend.
That's family guy, genius
Ready player one
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>I want to see a show that is EXCLUSIVELY made of references, just to piss off OP.
Ok senpai, it's called "Ai"
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Neither of those two things are cringey.
Get the stick out of your ass, OP. Both those things are fun and you're a grouch.
To me it’s not the fact that it’s over referenced, it’s just that I don’t think it’s that cool?
Like out of everything they decide to reference from Akira, it’s the bike slide. I supposed it’s the easiest to reference?
I hate the akira bike slide reference because it is often a crutch because the film makers cannot make up their own interesting angles/shots so use the "reference" to make up for their shitty cinematography/lack of knowledge.
Also it just really shows how shitty your animation is because most of these shots can't match how well done akiras was.
akira is an overrated piece of shit and a bastardization of the manga.
I don't even like motorcycles
There should be rules that prohibits cartoons from referencing/ripping-off shit that’s been done to death, like pic related.
After reading this thread I'm convinced some of you guys just hate fun and only come here to complain.
>"Oh, you don't like when thing is criticized?"
If there were any actual critical argument here then it'd be fine, but it's just people complaining how thing that was once niche is now mainstream. Like it's been 40 goddamn years since Akira, 50 for Star Wars, why the frick wouldn't you see more references from those movies? They're popular movies.
Was expecting a thread full of hot sexy Connie art, got greeted with 100 replies of autistic gays seething