>Living peacefully in the forest >Remaining humans absolutely terrified of you >Know you have leverage over them >Violently moronic bonobo with a fraction of your IQ makes a bunch of insinuations and commits a false flag to start a war purely because he wants a war
Koba was a fricking idiot.
This. There is a clear distinction of the apes' intelligence increases among species >Orangutans: most smartest and wisest >Chimpanzees: Very smart, and adaptable >Bonobos: Almost as smart as Chimpanzees >Gorillas: Smart, but limited by the fact they possess an abundance of physical strength at the expense of curiosity
Canonicaly, I think Kobo is a Bonobo.
No he isn't. None of them are. The only one that comes close is Maurice.
Caesar was book smart and had the highest iq, but Koba had more "low" cunning and was more realistic/cynical and hostile.
They could've complemented each other but the situation was made bad by Caesar harboring too much pride and man-love, and ended up wielding his authority like a sledgehammer
A leader putting a subordinate in a position like Koba was, cannot be considered a good leader.
He should've recognized the signs and avoided internal strife at all costs, or else utterly purged the koba faction and gone "all in" on human love.
You cannot stay in between and punish a subordinate harshly in such a way, when they are dead set on a choice
Koba was smart to check out what the humans were actually doing "Caesar trust humans, Koba does not"
He probably should have brought up the humans were gathering weapons when he got back instead of chimping out and making Caesar give him a hiding.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Stockpile weapons in case of monke attack >Monkes attack
Gary Oldman and Koba were two sides of the same coin.
>See trailer with a monkey dual wielding Ak-47s while riding a horse. >Enter kinoplex expecting Micheal bay like dumb fun slopa. >Leave a better human being.
I kneel Apechads.
Koba with the M249s is the best bit and also why Dawn is the best of the four films.
>Your leader just gave potential rivals that have previously dominated your species endless resources, a backslide into civilization which translates to cages and monke experiments again >This can not happen >also proves he has dual loyalties and suspicious weakness as a leader which should be tested for good of monkekind
>Caesar look mate if we let them turn the lights back on they'll suddenly become the dominant force on earth again and kill us all even though we actively decided to move as far away as we could
Koba wasn't being logical. He could only see the bad in humanity because he was a lab experiment. Caesar knew both sides of humanity and saw the dam as a gesture that could have prevented further bloodshed. Koba wanted bloodshed and didn't give a frick whose blood it was.
You're a fool if you think humans were going to be okay with the apes controlling their only power source long term. Humanity has been top dog for too long, that path leads to the humans taking the dam by force
You're arguing out of the merit of each argument, what is "right" and "moral" and so on, and I would argue this is incorrect.
A leader must take note of the particular personalities under him. If one of your trusted lieutenants suddenly has a problem with your direction, and it's not something you can simply talk him out of, you must act very carefully.
In the end, Caesar incited Koba through bad leadership and poor decisions to revolt, practically forcing him to take matters into his own hands after beating him up, and then expecting him to stay around like a beaten dog. He really should've understood his subordinate's views better.
Oh wowie, I'm so fricking surprised! I open a Planet of the Apes thread and I see the very first post is a racist piece of shit like you. Go leave for fricks sake.
I was pissed that they killed him off like that man. He was the best character in the movie. Though frankly, considering how they didn't show him actually dying, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he actually survives for the next movie.
Nah, the beginning of War shows that whenever humans are not around Koba is a perfectly fine dude and actually a great "cool uncle" figure for Caesar's kid.
Yeah, but Koba had extreme PTSD from being mistreated by humans for so long. He could have been great. But he allowed his pain and lust for vengeance to twist him into something brutal. It's tragic.
>"Scars make you strong"
Honestly it was great just seeing Koba happy and at peace. That and the initial handshake with Caesar was max comfy bro vibes. Seeing it degenerate over the course of the film on rewatches is bittersweet in a way. And they knew Koba was so good they brought him back for a second in the sequel.
I don’t get why people dislike the third one. I think they were just filtered.
I just didn't care about about the apes in prison, the human kid, and comedic ape. Red Donkey was worth it and I'd have loved had it been a film entirely of Gorilla Guerilla warfare on a small scale, testing both sides humanity. I guess you don't get a Jesus metaphor as easily from that.
Right? Who does the mighty Caesar call for aid? Koba who comes running/swinging. Such a great bit of interaction
Koba is Caesar's main guy in the start of the movie.
Guy was the given #2, he was the guy Caesar trusted to lead the scouting party to follow the humans at first contact, and so on.
Also remember Koba already was intelligent in the first movie, through testing drugs on him and so on. he was more or less Caesar's equal in many many ways.
he's not. Koba is Marc Anthony to Caesar's ... Caesar.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Koba is not Marc Antony. He is Caesar’s third closet advisor behind big Maurice and chad Rocket
1 month ago
Anonymous
He's Caesar's hunting leader and first pick when following the humans to their base.
Caesar still does a lot of jobs himself due to martial society and all that. But still.
Caesar has many lieutenants other than Koba of course, but his status going by the movie should be undisputed.
Orangutans aren't portrayed as leaders in the direct sense, more a parallel sage status that doesn't infringe on chimp fighting power which appears to rule caesarean society
Koba might have been intelligent already but he was not as intelligent as Caesar. Caesar was an anomaly. He wasn't given the virus intentionally, his mother was and it was passed to him in utero. Then James Franco raised like a human child which helped him become even smarter. He's a step above the others.
he's not one of the apes gifted intelligence by Caesar. In other words less dependent on him, and someone Caesar can relate to more.
He's also wisened, experienced etc
It was misplaced trust at the end but made for a good movie and conflict. The demanding for Caesar at the damn was hype knowing he was angry and vindicated
Seeing him crucified and wounded evoked Jesus harder in my mind than what came after. Or that one Jap concentration movie with the warden abusing the prisoner until the former broke.
We're there any apes going hungry? Caesar was just helping the humans who were clearly struggling. The humans still had valuable tech and knowledge to be passed on. Koba just hated humans from all the torture he endured. This wasn't a rational conflict, just an ideological one.
You're arguing out of the merit of each argument, what is "right" and "moral" and so on, and I would argue this is incorrect.
A leader must take note of the particular personalities under him. If one of your trusted lieutenants suddenly has a problem with your direction, and it's not something you can simply talk him out of, you must act very carefully.
In the end, Caesar incited Koba through bad leadership and poor decisions to revolt, practically forcing him to take matters into his own hands after beating him up, and then expecting him to stay around like a beaten dog. He really should've understood his subordinate's views better.
that's a rational argument, but doesn't hold when talking about sheer emotion, interpersonal relations, conflict in hierarchies.
If Caesar felt that helping humans was the way to go and had respected Koba, he should've exiled him in a grand display at the least, and killed him if he couldn't.
Keeping him in the tribe while simultaneously trampling him and doubting himself while doing so only courted death.
But Caesar was invested in an ideology of non-conflict within the tribe, which ended up being resolved by un-monkeying koba and then killing him, solving the ideological struggle.
In the end, what was wrong was Caesar's attachments to his ideology he over-invested in as a cover for his love of humans. He desired to be different so much he couldn't make human-like decisions even when those were clearly warranted
I think you could simplify it. Caesar was a good leader but koba was a wild card. Most of the tribe revered Caesar.
Koba was a broken soul, he's literally Sweeny Todd, nothing is there except vengeance. No long term planning, no self preservation. He just wanted to murder humans at all costs.
That's absolutely not true. That's a gross misrepresentation of koba. You could call it the post-movie propagandized version of events, as dictated by Caesar.
Koba absolutely cared about the tribe, in his way. In his mind, Caesar was compromised and was making decisions that were unlike him, decisions that were kowtowing to humans, with very little backing them. But the core of it is that Koba can not accept normal relations with humans.
At the center of this conflict is the Koba situation for Caesar, where his decisions surrounding Koba's displeasure only ever caused more conflict and never adequately solved it.
He should've, as I've pointed out, been more firm and exiled Koba. But of course, he had bad advisors and in any case was ideologically driven away from such a decision.
As anon said:
I mean how can you frick these up. There's no feminist producer trying to demand quotas or a message, it's about fricking apes.
They're just great, I love the apes, I enjoy how the apes need to grapple with learning very human lessons, and it humbled them so they're never "wow humans are so shit, we'll build back better" none of that. The apes understand they're inheriting a planet amd with it all of the stumbles that humans have had. It's an intelligent and nuanced series.
doing the whole civilization thing is a humbling experience and this was one of the stumbling blocks, where Caesar is both too rigid and too sentimental at the same time, not willing to bend for Koba or break him utterly.
Koba did nothing wrong, fault still lies with Caesar and he paid for that. So all good.
based for quoting me twice.
Caesar isn't infallible, I agree with ya there. But koba subverted his leadership and created a faction to split off and go to war with a neutral group of humans, simply to fulfil his revenge. You can't blame Caesar for having a chaos element in his tribe
1 month ago
Anonymous
Ehh, I can blame Caesar because he didn't take care of his talent and lieutenants enough, and practically forced a rebellion into happening due to his choices.
Its not very prince-like to cause a split, publicly humiliate one of your trusted subordinates and then simply expect him to keep trucking on Your team.
Especially if, it's as it is in this movie, where the lieutenant perceives it as a life or death, zero sum game type situation and will Never ever change his mind
>That's absolutely not true. That's a gross misrepresentation of koba. You could call it the post-movie propagandized version of events, as dictated by Caesar.
kek
Koba threw an ape to his death because it didn't want to kill a captured human. He didn't inform Caesar of the human weapon stockpile- which 100% could have made him more wary of the humans or forced additional concessions to get to the dam- but he sat on the info and used it to attempt an assassination.
Kobayashibad ape.
He 100% just wanted power.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Koba is a glowie confirmed
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not just any ape, the son of Caesar’s right hand basically
Problem with that is that humans never showed any desire to help the apes in any way. They just asked for the dam with nothing in return. No way they were going to share tech with them
It's a tragedy for both of them. Caesar's plan was right, but Koba's actions, while destructive, were understandable considering how totally fricked he was for his whole life. In the end, Koba forces Caesar to reckon with his golden rule and ultimately break it. Caesar killing Koba, in full view of other apes, is what completes the arc of the first two films: apes living their lives as a statement on how a society doesn't have to be as violent and destructive as humanity's is, but ultimately becoming just like them (and of course the viewer knows that, fast-forward several hundred years, the apes become a society as degenerate and hedonistic as any human society).
Koba wasn't just an angry monkey, he was the violent, emotional humanity that the apes were trying (and ultimately failed) to suppress. His death is the point where they pivot from an attempted utopia to what they'll ultimately become in the original film.
>In the end Koba was right and Caesar should've prioritized his tribe
He was right in the sense that everything got fricked because of him in the same sense of you saying "haha, guns are bad!" and then calling someone a Black person until you get shot and going "I was right!"
It's all in line with the OG movies.
>Caesar - naively thought that if they just stick to themselves there would never be any conflict and they could all live in harmony
moronic >Koba - wants to run headfirst at a bunch of intelligent, scared and heavily armed people
moronic
War between the two species was inevitable, and Caeser should have been making preparations for it - the key word being "preparations". as always the correct answer is right in the middle
Because Koba antagonized and killed humans they called in what was left of the American military to fight back. Had their interactions always been been peaceful or if the apes simply hid from humans whenever possible the military would have never come and the new variant of the virus that messes with their ability to speak would deal with the humans anyways but with no apes lost to needless war with humans
>See trailer with a monkey dual wielding Ak-47s while riding a horse. >Enter kinoplex expecting Micheal bay like dumb fun slopa. >Leave a better human being.
I kneel Apechads.
the reason why these movies are so successful is because hollywood has left behind the classical drama of masculine conflict. so it's up to the monkey movies carry the torch.
Might be this honestly. A strategic decision causing discussion, strife, fist fights, armed insurrection, rogue action and climactic single-combat murder is very far away from hollywood normalcy
shes kino
passes off a helpless moron human but is actually one of the only immune vault dwellers on a quest to fetch the ring anologue and genocide the ape kingdom. Even better she never relaxes around chimps.
I think most people come in expecting an even bigger battle after dawn as it’s named “WAR for the planet of the apes” and most Hollywood blockbusters tend to go “bigger=better” and instead got monke Auschwitz. If it wasn’t named “War” I think the movie would have gotten a better reception.
Nah War had very misleading marketing and probably could have been called War either. The second half was a prison escape movie and it's a lot weaker for it.
The first half of War is brilliant besides killing off bright eyes which was imo a waste after building him up in Dawn.
Marketing lead me to believe we were getting an action heavy flick.
Honestly though, I still very much enjoyed it and did not walk out disappointed. I was so invested in Caesar and his crew that if they made a Drive Througy the Planet of the Apes where its just Caesar, Rocket and Maurice talking about shit while riding an old Ford, I'd show up. Hell, even Koba made a cameo in War. These guys are just CGI monkeys and yet they're incredibly compelling characters.
I love War, I think most people hated Steve Zahn's jarjar Binks ape, and I did too, but not enough to have a bad opinion of the movie. The intro with Woody killing Caesars kid in the nest was fricking unreal. Don't think I've ever seen something that cool in a movie
These aren't films that need a comic relief character. Yes, they all have light comic relief moments, but a whole character for it ruins the tone of the film. The film is about a crazy colonel keeping apes in a concentration camp and there's Bad Ape being a goofball.
These aren't films that need a comic relief character. Yes, they all have light comic relief moments, but a whole character for it ruins the tone of the film. The film is about a crazy colonel keeping apes in a concentration camp and there's Bad Ape being a goofball.
I didn't mind Bad Ape that much, but it was pretty jarring when you have Caesar getting strung up and tortured and immediately cut to this funky ass ape being silly.
They goo too far with the slapstick after his introduction which throws the tone off at times but I do like Bad Ape in concept. His joy at not being alone anymore reminds me of Ben Gunn in Treasure Island >New friends, special day!
i didnt like it when it first came out, i wanted another movie like dawn. on rewatch a few years ago i fricking loved it and think its the best of the trilogy. its excellent in every single way, and rounding it off with making caesar lead a biblical escape is extremely kino. though i think the first hour is stronger than the second. id be fine watching four hours of caesar and co running around on horses
I thought it was awesome, but the first half is better than the second.
I gave it a rewatch the other day, after I go and ask my niece (14), "what would you do if you see some gun toting apes on horses?", she gives me a confused wtf are you talking about look. A little later I ask my nephew (8) the same question, his response, "I'd say, 'holy shit! That's badass!'". Made me lol, boys are just made different.
I mean how can you frick these up. There's no feminist producer trying to demand quotas or a message, it's about fricking apes.
They're just great, I love the apes, I enjoy how the apes need to grapple with learning very human lessons, and it humbled them so they're never "wow humans are so shit, we'll build back better" none of that. The apes understand they're inheriting a planet amd with it all of the stumbles that humans have had. It's an intelligent and nuanced series.
No he isn’t. In the very next movie Caesar’s family are assassinated by vengeful humans. It’s not meant to be portrayed as a black and white conflict. Caesar is attached to humans because he was raised by one and sees their good qualities while Koba was tortured and experimented on and only sees humans as bad. Just because Caesar is the protagonist doesn’t mean he’s always right, Koba was wrong because he was a belligerent idiot who got apes killed while Caesar perhaps appeased the humans too much. However, the conflict really only started because of Koba so he’s ultimately to blame.
>In the very next movie Caesar’s family are assassinated by vengeful humans.
And to make this even greyer, this was done on the orders of a demented colonel who went rogue because the mutated simian flu killed his son.
Caesar is the leader and he's ultimately to blame, seeing as he has the responsibility and duty to rule wisely
Koba didn't just "go crazy" but was forced into that path. Had Caesar truly understood his subordinate he would've killed him or exiled him, or else decided to heed his words and take a more hostile stance towards humans, preparing for war
You’re just being weirdly contrarian in an effort to rehabilitate Koba. He betrayed Caesar and tried to usurp his position and waged an unnecessary war of aggression on the humans. And he intentionally killed other apes if they didn’t go along with his plans, something Caesar never did.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Koba's position is coherent. He simply gives an inversion of Caesar's "no conflict ever" ideology and at the end, Caesar joins his viewpoint by executing koba himself, thus proving Koba right.
Caesar's inflexible leadership caused the strife.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're saying Caesar's leadership is inflexible but in previous comments criticising him for being too flexible with Koba. Other anon was right, you're just being a contrarian.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Wrong. I was saying Caesar was indecisive and was faffing about with forgiveness even though that would never work on Koba.
He was rigidly staying true to his ruling ideology which in the end, was proven not to work when he himself decided to kill Koba out of preservation of the tribe.
Had he done so at the beginning, I would've had no problems with Caesar's leadership.
Koba’s position was not coherent. His only ideology was killing humans, he wanted war for war’s sake. Koba’s position was not an inversion of Caesar’s as that would imply Caesar was a concessionist who caved into every human demand. In fact, Caesar is far closer to the ideal than Koba ever was, Caesar was merely an adherent of realpolitik and kept the ape world sufficiently isolated while Koba brought apes into the open and made human martyrs, ultimately resulting in the destruction of their colony in movie three. Moreover, your characterisation of Caesar as avoiding conflict is not a negative, as evidenced by movie three humans still had the numbers to overpower apes and they were only saved by the virus mutation. Also, Caesar had to kill Koba because he challenged his authority as leader in the ape hierarchy, he needed to show strength.
>humans are fricking strong so we should do nothing and give them even more power through inaction
Koba was only proven right.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Koba’s position was not coherent. His only ideology was killing humans, he wanted war for war’s sake. Koba’s position was not an inversion of Caesar’s as that would imply Caesar was a concessionist who caved into every human demand. In fact, Caesar is far closer to the ideal than Koba ever was, Caesar was merely an adherent of realpolitik and kept the ape world sufficiently isolated while Koba brought apes into the open and made human martyrs, ultimately resulting in the destruction of their colony in movie three. Moreover, your characterisation of Caesar as avoiding conflict is not a negative, as evidenced by movie three humans still had the numbers to overpower apes and they were only saved by the virus mutation. Also, Caesar had to kill Koba because he challenged his authority as leader in the ape hierarchy, he needed to show strength.
Why are all the bonobos so evil in this franchise?
Real life bonobos frick all the time. Chimps will tear your balls off and eat your face off. Tangs and gorillas are chill as frick tho.
Can't believe they're still making these movies. Are they worth rewatching and is the new one good? I remember really liking the first one and the 2nd one was pretty cool. Don't think I watched the 3rd.
he's prepping for his role in "The All You Can Eat Buffet of the Planet of the Apes" (2029). The story is they create a good clone of Franco to stop an evil clone of Caesar, they do battle inside the ruins of an Olive Garden.
It takes place 400 years into the future, the monkeys are super intelligent and are on the brink of perfecting cloning, so they find a piece of Jame Franco's DNA. But he turns out to be evil. So to defeat him they clone Ceasars but to cloning fails and it comes out semi-moronic and 4'8 ft.
So they nickname him Little Ceasars, and he defeats Evil James Franco by making delicious pizzas.
In the end, James Franco has gained 200lbs from eating pizzas and dies of a heart attack.
The apes were never meant to stay intelligent. In the authors sequal screenplay to the original POTA, "Planet of the Men", we see taylor having two sons with nova. Years have gone by. Taylor and his sons have been teaching the humans how to speak, read, write, use tech, guns, as for some reason the virus or whatever that makes them animalistic is wearing off. They rise up against the apes. What's interesting is once the apes start panicking and losing their battles they start reverting back to their primal ways. Running on all 4's, screeching, losing their ability to use guns. All within a monets notice, as if something triggers their inherited intelligence to simply vanish. It ends with the orangutans in a cage being watched by the humans in a zoo. Dr. Zaius is dressed in a silly way while wearing a top hate. They instructor demands he speak. Now that the apes have lost and are losing their ability to speak, dr zaius struggles to speak at all. All he can get out is his name "Z..ZAIUS". the crowd cheers and he's rewarded with a sugar cube, (like the human was by zera in POTA). He gobbles it up frantically. The End
Apes were never meant to be intelligent and eventually they would have lost it, with or without humans.
Proximus Caesar wasn't the villain of the newest film, Mae was.
Mae blew up his home and killed his best friend travathan, while proximus was shown to be reasonable and would have traded the hard drive and safe passage for Mae if he got the locker with 5 guns.
Although the minions of proximus killed Mae's group, he was quite upset about it. Remember, even Caesar was unable to control the bad apples in his group like Koba who killed tons of humans.
In fact, only a small number of Caesar's apes were actually loyal to him who were locked in the bus in Rise. The rest were savages who killed humans with koba
Whats kind of annoying with this series is how many Ls the Apes take every single movie and yet as the movies progress they are stronger every time because the virus does all the work for then.
Even in the latest movie Mae plays them all for chumps and the antagonist is just proven correct all along. She doesn’t even discard the memory drive or whatever that was she takes Noah’s peace offering and screws them over at the end anyways.
But we all know where this is going; we know the Apes are going to completely dominate and become close to as powerful as the humans were regardless, so whats the deal? It feels like this series is being dragged out way longer than it needs to be. We dont need to retread the same exact theme over and over again we frickin get it by now
We know the butthole apes are going to win in the end so lets see it happen for once
Mae was a complete b***h for fricking Noah and his tribe like that, but considering that Proximus was already a powerful bastard hellbent on making everything and everyone his, getting access to all that tech, guns and possibly even those tanks would've made him near unstoppable against man and ape. It was a last ditch move to stop him, even if it meant taking a few who didn't deserve it.
Its just a surprisingly duplicitous move for one of the “good guys” in a series where the morality is otherwise very clearly telegraphed.
I would have thought a screenwriter would realize that and the ending that makes sense would be Mae destroying the drive after receiving Noah’s Order of Caesar olive branch of good will. She not only takes the branch but consciously betrays Noah’s extremely gracious good will (she did kill hundreds of innocent apes in that flood after Noah screamed at her not to do so).
Its a complete betrayal of what Raka would want
Idk I wonder why the test screenings didn’t catch that in production. Betrayal is the lowest circle of Hell for a reason, and I can’t believe that we are somehow supposed to root for her doing such a thing at the end considering how sympathetic Noah and Caesar’s ideology is.
It gutted the entire theme of the movie. Its going to be hard stomaching a rewatch of those scenes with Raka and Mae knowing that she’s going to completely discard and lie to Noah at the end.
I guess you homosexual pRedditors don't realize in a real life scenario, FRICK THOSE APES. But you're the same bleeding hearts that stand for squatters rights. Eat shit
apes = whites
human character = subversive israelite talmud worshipper
>I can’t believe that we are somehow supposed to root for her doing such a thing at the end
The film didn't make it seem like we were suppose to root for her unquestionably. Why do you have that impression?
>It gutted the entire theme of the movie
the entire theme of the series is that its not so black and white, both sides have their faults, one side more than other but theres not >ok he is perfectly right in all situations and you must root for him
Its just a surprisingly duplicitous move for one of the “good guys” in a series where the morality is otherwise very clearly telegraphed.
I would have thought a screenwriter would realize that and the ending that makes sense would be Mae destroying the drive after receiving Noah’s Order of Caesar olive branch of good will. She not only takes the branch but consciously betrays Noah’s extremely gracious good will (she did kill hundreds of innocent apes in that flood after Noah screamed at her not to do so).
Its a complete betrayal of what Raka would want
Idk I wonder why the test screenings didn’t catch that in production. Betrayal is the lowest circle of Hell for a reason, and I can’t believe that we are somehow supposed to root for her doing such a thing at the end considering how sympathetic Noah and Caesar’s ideology is.
It gutted the entire theme of the movie. Its going to be hard stomaching a rewatch of those scenes with Raka and Mae knowing that she’s going to completely discard and lie to Noah at the end.
There were like 5 guns in the locker and the tanks would get stuck on sand if even working anyway.
That's a completely reasonable trade to Proximus unlikely to change the course of ape-kind.
Mae is a jerk. Proximus treated her and the other apes better than caesar's group would have. Instead she blew up his home, killed a ton of apes in the flood, and killed the closest friend and advisor of prroximus in cold blood.
Proximus gave her a huge feast and free reign to travel around his kingdom and she immediately started planting bombs
Yeah Im surprised by how not much of an evil butthole jerk Proximus actually was. Koba was 10x more ruthless and Woody Harrelson in 3 was Nazi concentration camp tier evil.
Proximus didn’t even indiscriminately kill the Eagle tripe apes and they seemed to be treated okay considering how they were press ganged into manual labor. They even had enough freedom to roam around the compound at night and were given adequate food rations. Not good but we all know Humans have a much nastier track record with slave labor.
Dawn had a much, much more nuanced exploration of the realities of diplomacy, ideology, and the step-by-step breakdown of relations and cycles of reprisal and a pretty good exploration of the associated moral quandaries and corners that are entrenched when they deteriorate. Caesar is a good leader because he understands those nuances. Theres not much of those nuances in Kingdom and Noah is hopelessly ignorant due to his background. He stumbles through much of the movie as he's baited into a conflict hes not prepared to deal with. The consequence of that is our hero frustratingly being at the will of two manipulators, except that the assigned antagonists of the movie BY FAR has Noah’s best interests at heart and as brutal as his future world may be it at least keeps them out of cages in zoos!!
If it was written by the same people that wrote Dawn then Noah would have confronted Mae HARD on her worldview and how she sees Apes in 1000 years. He does confront her on this issue at the end but he doesn’t press her hard enough because if he did they would have reached an impasse, and one of them would have to die. Either that or Mae is convinced to let the Apes rule, because there is NO way Noah would ever accept her plan of reversing the virus. Caesar would have made the tough decision to take the disk drive from her and kill Mae if necessary; Caesar understood he couldn’t allow their entire race to be enslaved once more.
I guess you homosexual pRedditors don't realize in a real life scenario, FRICK THOSE APES. But you're the same bleeding hearts that stand for squatters rights. Eat shit
>f he got the locker with 5 guns.
I know the movie does a poor job of showing it, but if they had a small detachment of tanks and jeeps, I imagine theyd have a shit load more guns. Mae couldn't allow that damn monkey control of it and allow him to continue growing his tinpot kingdom into a full fledged empire.
Whats kind of annoying with this series is how many Ls the Apes take every single movie and yet as the movies progress they are stronger every time because the virus does all the work for then.
Even in the latest movie Mae plays them all for chumps and the antagonist is just proven correct all along. She doesn’t even discard the memory drive or whatever that was she takes Noah’s peace offering and screws them over at the end anyways.
But we all know where this is going; we know the Apes are going to completely dominate and become close to as powerful as the humans were regardless, so whats the deal? It feels like this series is being dragged out way longer than it needs to be. We dont need to retread the same exact theme over and over again we frickin get it by now
We know the butthole apes are going to win in the end so lets see it happen for once
There's no way a few thousand apes could ever outmatch the 8 billion humans ok this earth. It would be utterly moronic to imagine a war where zoo apes could dominate every conflict.
Did you honestly want to watch zoo apes hack the Pentagon and launch all the nukes while the apes hide in bunkers and inherit the planet?
Realistically (kek), the Orangutans and Gorillas would’ve been wiped out by the Chimps, and the Chimps would’ve either killed or subsumed the Bonobos. Considering there are only 2,000 Chimps in the entirety of the United States and like 150,000+ in Africa, Caesar isn’t that important.
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Honestly, I hope they move on to another group. I think Noa's story is over and there isn't more to expand with him. I liked him, but I don't think he's someonoe we should follow for another movie. Of course, I also hope that we move on to another conflict style instead of protagonist seeking freedom for his tribe again.
Also, Koba not ape
Very, setting up intresting plot with him either learning to be the bigger monkey and letting bygones be bygones, unifying apekind, or just keeping to himself and his birds
Honestly i hope eagle clan comes back, theyre pretty neat
Caesar was unable to stop Koba and 99% of his tribe from killing and enslaving countless humans by locking them in cages and a bus.
Yet proximus is somehow a bad guy because his violent minions killed a small group of humans? Who went against his orders and mission and the humans were probably hostile on sight anyway?
I disagree, he had a more successful kingdom than caesar's. He was also very well educated and intelligent. All he had to do was train his soldiers better and not allow sloppy work or wanton violence
I knew he spoke at some point but I was expecting perfect English, like the twist would be he could speak the whole time. I'm glad they didn't do that and continued not doing that in the sequels.
1. Big face flaps
2. They're orange
3. They're smarter than all the other apes in real life
4. They don't get their bonkers clonked for no reason like chimps
5. They're orange
This Black person did nothing wrong
>Living peacefully in the forest
>Remaining humans absolutely terrified of you
>Know you have leverage over them
>Violently moronic bonobo with a fraction of your IQ makes a bunch of insinuations and commits a false flag to start a war purely because he wants a war
Koba was a fricking idiot.
Koba was as intelligent as Caesar
No he isn't. None of them are. The only one that comes close is Maurice.
This. There is a clear distinction of the apes' intelligence increases among species
>Orangutans: most smartest and wisest
>Chimpanzees: Very smart, and adaptable
>Bonobos: Almost as smart as Chimpanzees
>Gorillas: Smart, but limited by the fact they possess an abundance of physical strength at the expense of curiosity
Canonicaly, I think Kobo is a Bonobo.
They all had the same level of intelligence, actually.
Caesar was book smart and had the highest iq, but Koba had more "low" cunning and was more realistic/cynical and hostile.
They could've complemented each other but the situation was made bad by Caesar harboring too much pride and man-love, and ended up wielding his authority like a sledgehammer
A leader putting a subordinate in a position like Koba was, cannot be considered a good leader.
He should've recognized the signs and avoided internal strife at all costs, or else utterly purged the koba faction and gone "all in" on human love.
You cannot stay in between and punish a subordinate harshly in such a way, when they are dead set on a choice
Koba was smart to check out what the humans were actually doing "Caesar trust humans, Koba does not"
He probably should have brought up the humans were gathering weapons when he got back instead of chimping out and making Caesar give him a hiding.
>Stockpile weapons in case of monke attack
>Monkes attack
Gary Oldman and Koba were two sides of the same coin.
Koba with the M249s is the best bit and also why Dawn is the best of the four films.
>Your leader just gave potential rivals that have previously dominated your species endless resources, a backslide into civilization which translates to cages and monke experiments again
>This can not happen
>also proves he has dual loyalties and suspicious weakness as a leader which should be tested for good of monkekind
Koba logic makes perfect sense
>Caesar look mate if we let them turn the lights back on they'll suddenly become the dominant force on earth again and kill us all even though we actively decided to move as far away as we could
Koba wasn't being logical. He could only see the bad in humanity because he was a lab experiment. Caesar knew both sides of humanity and saw the dam as a gesture that could have prevented further bloodshed. Koba wanted bloodshed and didn't give a frick whose blood it was.
You're a fool if you think humans were going to be okay with the apes controlling their only power source long term. Humanity has been top dog for too long, that path leads to the humans taking the dam by force
You're arguing out of the merit of each argument, what is "right" and "moral" and so on, and I would argue this is incorrect.
A leader must take note of the particular personalities under him. If one of your trusted lieutenants suddenly has a problem with your direction, and it's not something you can simply talk him out of, you must act very carefully.
In the end, Caesar incited Koba through bad leadership and poor decisions to revolt, practically forcing him to take matters into his own hands after beating him up, and then expecting him to stay around like a beaten dog. He really should've understood his subordinate's views better.
didn't confirm the kill
For a bonobo, he sure was full of malice. I thought they solved all their conflicts by a short session of ass fricking.
Oh wowie, I'm so fricking surprised! I open a Planet of the Apes thread and I see the very first post is a racist piece of shit like you. Go leave for fricks sake.
>baiting after the bump limit
Not baiting, just sick of /misc/tards.
koba best monkey
I believe in maurice supremacy
I wish I had a bro like Maurice
Would they be friends?
The orangutans are the priest class in the ape caste system, they’re friends with everyone, trustworthy advisors with little ambition
I was pissed that they killed him off like that man. He was the best character in the movie. Though frankly, considering how they didn't show him actually dying, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he actually survives for the next movie.
Post credit scene is orangutan sounds implying raka survived
Oh damn, I didn't stay for the credits. That's good to hear.
HELL FRICKING YES. BEST WISE MENTOR SINCE OBI WAN.
Together strong.
Rocket was the biggest gigachad ever in all 3 movies
My homie.
They really were some top blokes. It's just a shame that being a gorilla in Caesar's click comes with the terrible curse of always fricking dying.
Coba was no ape. He was a monster.
Nah, the beginning of War shows that whenever humans are not around Koba is a perfectly fine dude and actually a great "cool uncle" figure for Caesar's kid.
Yeah, but Koba had extreme PTSD from being mistreated by humans for so long. He could have been great. But he allowed his pain and lust for vengeance to twist him into something brutal. It's tragic.
>"Scars make you strong"
Honestly it was great just seeing Koba happy and at peace. That and the initial handshake with Caesar was max comfy bro vibes. Seeing it degenerate over the course of the film on rewatches is bittersweet in a way. And they knew Koba was so good they brought him back for a second in the sequel.
I just didn't care about about the apes in prison, the human kid, and comedic ape. Red Donkey was worth it and I'd have loved had it been a film entirely of Gorilla Guerilla warfare on a small scale, testing both sides humanity. I guess you don't get a Jesus metaphor as easily from that.
Koba is Caesar's main guy in the start of the movie.
Guy was the given #2, he was the guy Caesar trusted to lead the scouting party to follow the humans at first contact, and so on.
Also remember Koba already was intelligent in the first movie, through testing drugs on him and so on. he was more or less Caesar's equal in many many ways.
Maurice is number 2, b***h
he's not. Koba is Marc Anthony to Caesar's ... Caesar.
Koba is not Marc Antony. He is Caesar’s third closet advisor behind big Maurice and chad Rocket
He's Caesar's hunting leader and first pick when following the humans to their base.
Caesar still does a lot of jobs himself due to martial society and all that. But still.
Caesar has many lieutenants other than Koba of course, but his status going by the movie should be undisputed.
Orangutans aren't portrayed as leaders in the direct sense, more a parallel sage status that doesn't infringe on chimp fighting power which appears to rule caesarean society
Koba might have been intelligent already but he was not as intelligent as Caesar. Caesar was an anomaly. He wasn't given the virus intentionally, his mother was and it was passed to him in utero. Then James Franco raised like a human child which helped him become even smarter. He's a step above the others.
he's not one of the apes gifted intelligence by Caesar. In other words less dependent on him, and someone Caesar can relate to more.
He's also wisened, experienced etc
It was misplaced trust at the end but made for a good movie and conflict. The demanding for Caesar at the damn was hype knowing he was angry and vindicated
>Jesus metaphor
Anon, Caesar was Moses. He died after seeing the promised land but was never to set foot in it himself.
Seeing him crucified and wounded evoked Jesus harder in my mind than what came after. Or that one Jap concentration movie with the warden abusing the prisoner until the former broke.
lol, right. i'd trust my kids with koba like i trust my kids with harambe.
>Anon love daycare more than sitter
No. Caesar was actively giving away monke resources and potential to humans out of mental cuckoldry.
It is caesar that does as you say, and "unpersons" Koba for his crimes, allowing him to be executed for treason etc
In the end Koba was right and Caesar should've prioritized his tribe
We're there any apes going hungry? Caesar was just helping the humans who were clearly struggling. The humans still had valuable tech and knowledge to be passed on. Koba just hated humans from all the torture he endured. This wasn't a rational conflict, just an ideological one.
As I said here
that's a rational argument, but doesn't hold when talking about sheer emotion, interpersonal relations, conflict in hierarchies.
If Caesar felt that helping humans was the way to go and had respected Koba, he should've exiled him in a grand display at the least, and killed him if he couldn't.
Keeping him in the tribe while simultaneously trampling him and doubting himself while doing so only courted death.
But Caesar was invested in an ideology of non-conflict within the tribe, which ended up being resolved by un-monkeying koba and then killing him, solving the ideological struggle.
In the end, what was wrong was Caesar's attachments to his ideology he over-invested in as a cover for his love of humans. He desired to be different so much he couldn't make human-like decisions even when those were clearly warranted
I think you could simplify it. Caesar was a good leader but koba was a wild card. Most of the tribe revered Caesar.
Koba was a broken soul, he's literally Sweeny Todd, nothing is there except vengeance. No long term planning, no self preservation. He just wanted to murder humans at all costs.
That's absolutely not true. That's a gross misrepresentation of koba. You could call it the post-movie propagandized version of events, as dictated by Caesar.
Koba absolutely cared about the tribe, in his way. In his mind, Caesar was compromised and was making decisions that were unlike him, decisions that were kowtowing to humans, with very little backing them. But the core of it is that Koba can not accept normal relations with humans.
At the center of this conflict is the Koba situation for Caesar, where his decisions surrounding Koba's displeasure only ever caused more conflict and never adequately solved it.
He should've, as I've pointed out, been more firm and exiled Koba. But of course, he had bad advisors and in any case was ideologically driven away from such a decision.
As anon said:
doing the whole civilization thing is a humbling experience and this was one of the stumbling blocks, where Caesar is both too rigid and too sentimental at the same time, not willing to bend for Koba or break him utterly.
Koba did nothing wrong, fault still lies with Caesar and he paid for that. So all good.
based for quoting me twice.
Caesar isn't infallible, I agree with ya there. But koba subverted his leadership and created a faction to split off and go to war with a neutral group of humans, simply to fulfil his revenge. You can't blame Caesar for having a chaos element in his tribe
Ehh, I can blame Caesar because he didn't take care of his talent and lieutenants enough, and practically forced a rebellion into happening due to his choices.
Its not very prince-like to cause a split, publicly humiliate one of your trusted subordinates and then simply expect him to keep trucking on Your team.
Especially if, it's as it is in this movie, where the lieutenant perceives it as a life or death, zero sum game type situation and will Never ever change his mind
>That's absolutely not true. That's a gross misrepresentation of koba. You could call it the post-movie propagandized version of events, as dictated by Caesar.
kek
Koba threw an ape to his death because it didn't want to kill a captured human. He didn't inform Caesar of the human weapon stockpile- which 100% could have made him more wary of the humans or forced additional concessions to get to the dam- but he sat on the info and used it to attempt an assassination.
Kobayashibad ape.
He 100% just wanted power.
Koba is a glowie confirmed
Not just any ape, the son of Caesar’s right hand basically
Problem with that is that humans never showed any desire to help the apes in any way. They just asked for the dam with nothing in return. No way they were going to share tech with them
>In the end Koba was right and Caesar should've prioritized his tribe
In the end Koba was wrong because in War the Apes get raped by the humans
It's a tragedy for both of them. Caesar's plan was right, but Koba's actions, while destructive, were understandable considering how totally fricked he was for his whole life. In the end, Koba forces Caesar to reckon with his golden rule and ultimately break it. Caesar killing Koba, in full view of other apes, is what completes the arc of the first two films: apes living their lives as a statement on how a society doesn't have to be as violent and destructive as humanity's is, but ultimately becoming just like them (and of course the viewer knows that, fast-forward several hundred years, the apes become a society as degenerate and hedonistic as any human society).
Koba wasn't just an angry monkey, he was the violent, emotional humanity that the apes were trying (and ultimately failed) to suppress. His death is the point where they pivot from an attempted utopia to what they'll ultimately become in the original film.
I overlooked their fight being in full view actually mattered long term through ripples.
>In the end Koba was right and Caesar should've prioritized his tribe
He was right in the sense that everything got fricked because of him in the same sense of you saying "haha, guns are bad!" and then calling someone a Black person until you get shot and going "I was right!"
It's all in line with the OG movies.
>APES WIN WAR
>APES TOGETTAH STRONG
>CIZAR WEAK
based bonobo hitler
>Koba weaker
That heat from that burn is still traveling across the cosmos after incinerating Koba.
KOBA PUT HATE IN HEART
>remaining humans are dysgenics who huddled in place while chads died fighting each other
AVE TO KVBA, Ape power
All Koba did was get other apes killed.
>Caesar - naively thought that if they just stick to themselves there would never be any conflict and they could all live in harmony
moronic
>Koba - wants to run headfirst at a bunch of intelligent, scared and heavily armed people
moronic
War between the two species was inevitable, and Caeser should have been making preparations for it - the key word being "preparations". as always the correct answer is right in the middle
What do you mean? Koba cracked open the human base with a diminished contingent of apes
The planet of apes has fallen, billions must die
Koba was right though. In the third movie the humans showed exactly what they're going to do to the apes if they get civilization back
Because Koba antagonized and killed humans they called in what was left of the American military to fight back. Had their interactions always been been peaceful or if the apes simply hid from humans whenever possible the military would have never come and the new variant of the virus that messes with their ability to speak would deal with the humans anyways but with no apes lost to needless war with humans
APES WIN WAR
>WE WUZZ APES N SHIIET
>See trailer with a monkey dual wielding Ak-47s while riding a horse.
>Enter kinoplex expecting Micheal bay like dumb fun slopa.
>Leave a better human being.
I kneel Apechads.
CEASAR IS A HOUSE APE
the reason why these movies are so successful is because hollywood has left behind the classical drama of masculine conflict. so it's up to the monkey movies carry the torch.
Might be this honestly. A strategic decision causing discussion, strife, fist fights, armed insurrection, rogue action and climactic single-combat murder is very far away from hollywood normalcy
>not a monke single female speaks more than a few lines
APECHADS I kneel…
This new one is about a human female tho
That's fine, these movies have always been about the apes anyway
shes kino
passes off a helpless moron human but is actually one of the only immune vault dwellers on a quest to fetch the ring anologue and genocide the ape kingdom. Even better she never relaxes around chimps.
Absolutely this, apekino is traditional masculinity and a conflict between different varieties of traditionallly masculine ideals and values.
No lies detected.
The opening hunt is so fricking great.
The third one was a disappointment.
I don’t get why people dislike the third one. I think they were just filtered.
I couldn't finish the third one. It lacks kinetic action and everyone acts very tired and depressed
I think people were just monke'd out by the time the third released.
Misleading title and not as good as the prior entry. It's less "dislike" and more disappointment.
I think most people come in expecting an even bigger battle after dawn as it’s named “WAR for the planet of the apes” and most Hollywood blockbusters tend to go “bigger=better” and instead got monke Auschwitz. If it wasn’t named “War” I think the movie would have gotten a better reception.
>the Total ape death tier helmet scribbles
Top kek, human really are chuds
Nah War had very misleading marketing and probably could have been called War either. The second half was a prison escape movie and it's a lot weaker for it.
The first half of War is brilliant besides killing off bright eyes which was imo a waste after building him up in Dawn.
*Probably shouldn't have been called war*
Marketing lead me to believe we were getting an action heavy flick.
Honestly though, I still very much enjoyed it and did not walk out disappointed. I was so invested in Caesar and his crew that if they made a Drive Througy the Planet of the Apes where its just Caesar, Rocket and Maurice talking about shit while riding an old Ford, I'd show up. Hell, even Koba made a cameo in War. These guys are just CGI monkeys and yet they're incredibly compelling characters.
I love War, I think most people hated Steve Zahn's jarjar Binks ape, and I did too, but not enough to have a bad opinion of the movie. The intro with Woody killing Caesars kid in the nest was fricking unreal. Don't think I've ever seen something that cool in a movie
These aren't films that need a comic relief character. Yes, they all have light comic relief moments, but a whole character for it ruins the tone of the film. The film is about a crazy colonel keeping apes in a concentration camp and there's Bad Ape being a goofball.
the gollum like dobbie ape character just did not fit with the whole mood of the film. Completely forced and not organic at all.
I didn't mind Bad Ape that much, but it was pretty jarring when you have Caesar getting strung up and tortured and immediately cut to this funky ass ape being silly.
They goo too far with the slapstick after his introduction which throws the tone off at times but I do like Bad Ape in concept. His joy at not being alone anymore reminds me of Ben Gunn in Treasure Island
>New friends, special day!
It was basically a remake of shindler list with monkeys. boring as torture porn no one wants to sit through. Not rewatchable at all.
>It was basically a remake of shindler list with monkeys
Sounds extremely kino
i didnt like it when it first came out, i wanted another movie like dawn. on rewatch a few years ago i fricking loved it and think its the best of the trilogy. its excellent in every single way, and rounding it off with making caesar lead a biblical escape is extremely kino. though i think the first hour is stronger than the second. id be fine watching four hours of caesar and co running around on horses
Caesar becomes Moses, freeing the Israelites from slavery and leading them to the Promised Land.
I thought it was awesome, but the first half is better than the second.
I gave it a rewatch the other day, after I go and ask my niece (14), "what would you do if you see some gun toting apes on horses?", she gives me a confused wtf are you talking about look. A little later I ask my nephew (8) the same question, his response, "I'd say, 'holy shit! That's badass!'". Made me lol, boys are just made different.
We have a new Master & Commander in our hands, truly Apekino has ascended
i think burgers call them raccons or something.
Apes films official ranked
GOD Tier:
>DOTPOTA
>POTA
>ROTPOTA
Good Tier:
>COTPOTA
>EFTPOTA
>KOTPOTA
Ok Tier:
>WFTPOTA
Shit Tier:
>BTPOTA
>BFTPOTA
Let's forget that this one exists Tier:
>POTA(2001)
TRUMP LOVE HEBREW MORE THAN MUTT
Yeah I'm gonna need sauce
It's just my personal slop
more
The phone made of stone is like a gag out of a modern Flinstones
LIBERAL WHITE LOVE Black folk MORE THAN WHITE FAMILY
>ceasar weak
>*looks over at gun*
>koba weaker
it just doesn't get more kino than this
>shoots ceezer in his dumbass head
huh, guess he was wrong.
Is it worth watching these movies? I watched the first one but that was years ago
The reboot trilogy is literally the best trilogy of the 21st century, older ones are niche kino, the Burton one is patrician tier
I mean how can you frick these up. There's no feminist producer trying to demand quotas or a message, it's about fricking apes.
They're just great, I love the apes, I enjoy how the apes need to grapple with learning very human lessons, and it humbled them so they're never "wow humans are so shit, we'll build back better" none of that. The apes understand they're inheriting a planet amd with it all of the stumbles that humans have had. It's an intelligent and nuanced series.
So you be saying we wuz apes and shit?
No I'm saying Apes together Strong.
You have to see Dawn. It's so good.
its certified kino
they are genuinely fantastic movies
HUMANS SNEED CAESAR, CAESAR DOOD, WAT NOU?
KAL EL NO
Can I watch this on yidney plus?
yes
it just came out in theaters
No I mean the movies before this one
oh yeah, I think all of them are on there, even the boomer ones.
Basado. I will watch and see if they’re kino
You do realize that this was all a metaphor for not being evil to the ‘other’ aka the immigrant/non white right?
And? You shouldn't be evil to anyone, including moronic subhuman shitskins.
LOL yeah you should let them invade and destroy your society instead of being mean. There’s a reason they based koba on trump kek
What do you mean? Koba is literally me and I think encroaching "others" should fricking die
And he’s painted as the ‘wrong’ one
No he isn’t. In the very next movie Caesar’s family are assassinated by vengeful humans. It’s not meant to be portrayed as a black and white conflict. Caesar is attached to humans because he was raised by one and sees their good qualities while Koba was tortured and experimented on and only sees humans as bad. Just because Caesar is the protagonist doesn’t mean he’s always right, Koba was wrong because he was a belligerent idiot who got apes killed while Caesar perhaps appeased the humans too much. However, the conflict really only started because of Koba so he’s ultimately to blame.
>In the very next movie Caesar’s family are assassinated by vengeful humans.
And to make this even greyer, this was done on the orders of a demented colonel who went rogue because the mutated simian flu killed his son.
The colonel was right to burn the bodies. The fricking idiots thought they could cure the new strain when humanity couldn't cure it last time.
Caesar is the leader and he's ultimately to blame, seeing as he has the responsibility and duty to rule wisely
Koba didn't just "go crazy" but was forced into that path. Had Caesar truly understood his subordinate he would've killed him or exiled him, or else decided to heed his words and take a more hostile stance towards humans, preparing for war
He did neither though
You’re just being weirdly contrarian in an effort to rehabilitate Koba. He betrayed Caesar and tried to usurp his position and waged an unnecessary war of aggression on the humans. And he intentionally killed other apes if they didn’t go along with his plans, something Caesar never did.
Koba's position is coherent. He simply gives an inversion of Caesar's "no conflict ever" ideology and at the end, Caesar joins his viewpoint by executing koba himself, thus proving Koba right.
Caesar's inflexible leadership caused the strife.
You're saying Caesar's leadership is inflexible but in previous comments criticising him for being too flexible with Koba. Other anon was right, you're just being a contrarian.
Wrong. I was saying Caesar was indecisive and was faffing about with forgiveness even though that would never work on Koba.
He was rigidly staying true to his ruling ideology which in the end, was proven not to work when he himself decided to kill Koba out of preservation of the tribe.
Had he done so at the beginning, I would've had no problems with Caesar's leadership.
>humans are fricking strong so we should do nothing and give them even more power through inaction
Koba was only proven right.
Koba’s position was not coherent. His only ideology was killing humans, he wanted war for war’s sake. Koba’s position was not an inversion of Caesar’s as that would imply Caesar was a concessionist who caved into every human demand. In fact, Caesar is far closer to the ideal than Koba ever was, Caesar was merely an adherent of realpolitik and kept the ape world sufficiently isolated while Koba brought apes into the open and made human martyrs, ultimately resulting in the destruction of their colony in movie three. Moreover, your characterisation of Caesar as avoiding conflict is not a negative, as evidenced by movie three humans still had the numbers to overpower apes and they were only saved by the virus mutation. Also, Caesar had to kill Koba because he challenged his authority as leader in the ape hierarchy, he needed to show strength.
Why are all the bonobos so evil in this franchise?
Real life bonobos frick all the time. Chimps will tear your balls off and eat your face off. Tangs and gorillas are chill as frick tho.
Anti bonobo propaganda. They don’t want us to reproduce!
hot monkey dick
Can't believe they're still making these movies. Are they worth rewatching and is the new one good? I remember really liking the first one and the 2nd one was pretty cool. Don't think I watched the 3rd.
If you liked the second one you'll probably like the rest
What happened to James Franco
Wiped out by virus. Like most humans
he's prepping for his role in "The All You Can Eat Buffet of the Planet of the Apes" (2029). The story is they create a good clone of Franco to stop an evil clone of Caesar, they do battle inside the ruins of an Olive Garden.
You idiot, that's the plot to Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
It takes place 400 years into the future, the monkeys are super intelligent and are on the brink of perfecting cloning, so they find a piece of Jame Franco's DNA. But he turns out to be evil. So to defeat him they clone Ceasars but to cloning fails and it comes out semi-moronic and 4'8 ft.
So they nickname him Little Ceasars, and he defeats Evil James Franco by making delicious pizzas.
In the end, James Franco has gained 200lbs from eating pizzas and dies of a heart attack.
Does Little Caesar get a small monkey companion named Crazy Brad?
>some signs of muscle but decided to let go in the last year or so
this is literally my body type
Presumably died of the Monke flu after the end of the first movie.
so sad to see the hunt scene where koba saves ceasar and his son from the bear, and they laugh about it, knowing how it ends
Right? Who does the mighty Caesar call for aid? Koba who comes running/swinging. Such a great bit of interaction
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
This movie sucked
why?
Filtered by Life After People tier kino
>Ee-vo-loo-shun
he quite literally did nothing wrong
this movie is the best one yet
they just keep getting better, best franchise in all of holywood
>Planet of the Apes (2001) trending on Trakt
v i n d i c a t e d
Is the new one in theaters worth seeing?
it's alright. A lot of care went into animating the apes and it's pretty impressive.
I enjoyed it.
It's a very pretty movie. At least I thought so.
Frick yes. Beautiful story.
YES. If you're a zoomer who grew up with Life After People then you'll really feel something from the atmosphere and aesthetics of this film.
So human can still bog themselves in a post-apocalyptic world?
Humans losing to apes is one of the greatest chokes in history just behind reptiles choking away their massive lead on mammals.
Humans created the simian flu so technically they lost to themselves.
I HATE EVERY APE I SEE FROM CHIMPAN-A TO CHIMPANZEE
The Planet of The Apes Musical is still the best thing in the franchise
One of my friends said that the apes hated humans in one of these movies because humans have big wieners? Is that true?
Kate Mara is cute
hee hee
shamone-uh
The apes were never meant to stay intelligent. In the authors sequal screenplay to the original POTA, "Planet of the Men", we see taylor having two sons with nova. Years have gone by. Taylor and his sons have been teaching the humans how to speak, read, write, use tech, guns, as for some reason the virus or whatever that makes them animalistic is wearing off. They rise up against the apes. What's interesting is once the apes start panicking and losing their battles they start reverting back to their primal ways. Running on all 4's, screeching, losing their ability to use guns. All within a monets notice, as if something triggers their inherited intelligence to simply vanish. It ends with the orangutans in a cage being watched by the humans in a zoo. Dr. Zaius is dressed in a silly way while wearing a top hate. They instructor demands he speak. Now that the apes have lost and are losing their ability to speak, dr zaius struggles to speak at all. All he can get out is his name "Z..ZAIUS". the crowd cheers and he's rewarded with a sugar cube, (like the human was by zera in POTA). He gobbles it up frantically. The End
Apes were never meant to be intelligent and eventually they would have lost it, with or without humans.
That's sounds....like complete dogshit. Go frick yourself.
Why would humans become feral with the passing of time in the new movie?
The monke flu mutated in the third film and was making humans moronic.
Did they ever find out that humans are apes?
I thought the third movie was supposed to connect to the original movies? Why make a fourth?
$$$
are the old movies any good?
Watch the 1970s cartoon series instead.
Yeah the original is a classic and the sequels never get any worse than okay
Proximus Caesar wasn't the villain of the newest film, Mae was.
Mae blew up his home and killed his best friend travathan, while proximus was shown to be reasonable and would have traded the hard drive and safe passage for Mae if he got the locker with 5 guns.
Although the minions of proximus killed Mae's group, he was quite upset about it. Remember, even Caesar was unable to control the bad apples in his group like Koba who killed tons of humans.
In fact, only a small number of Caesar's apes were actually loyal to him who were locked in the bus in Rise. The rest were savages who killed humans with koba
Mae was a complete b***h for fricking Noah and his tribe like that, but considering that Proximus was already a powerful bastard hellbent on making everything and everyone his, getting access to all that tech, guns and possibly even those tanks would've made him near unstoppable against man and ape. It was a last ditch move to stop him, even if it meant taking a few who didn't deserve it.
at the end of the day. Frick those apes. THIS IS A HUMAN PLACE
Its just a surprisingly duplicitous move for one of the “good guys” in a series where the morality is otherwise very clearly telegraphed.
I would have thought a screenwriter would realize that and the ending that makes sense would be Mae destroying the drive after receiving Noah’s Order of Caesar olive branch of good will. She not only takes the branch but consciously betrays Noah’s extremely gracious good will (she did kill hundreds of innocent apes in that flood after Noah screamed at her not to do so).
Its a complete betrayal of what Raka would want
Idk I wonder why the test screenings didn’t catch that in production. Betrayal is the lowest circle of Hell for a reason, and I can’t believe that we are somehow supposed to root for her doing such a thing at the end considering how sympathetic Noah and Caesar’s ideology is.
It gutted the entire theme of the movie. Its going to be hard stomaching a rewatch of those scenes with Raka and Mae knowing that she’s going to completely discard and lie to Noah at the end.
you're a homosexual with your bullshit marxist mentality.
apes = whites
human character = subversive israelite talmud worshipper
get that through your head
>I can’t believe that we are somehow supposed to root for her doing such a thing at the end
The film didn't make it seem like we were suppose to root for her unquestionably. Why do you have that impression?
The anon you're replying to has only ever watched capeshit and Shonen so he thinks "main character = always unquestionably good."
>It gutted the entire theme of the movie
the entire theme of the series is that its not so black and white, both sides have their faults, one side more than other but theres not
>ok he is perfectly right in all situations and you must root for him
There were like 5 guns in the locker and the tanks would get stuck on sand if even working anyway.
That's a completely reasonable trade to Proximus unlikely to change the course of ape-kind.
Mae is a jerk. Proximus treated her and the other apes better than caesar's group would have. Instead she blew up his home, killed a ton of apes in the flood, and killed the closest friend and advisor of prroximus in cold blood.
Proximus gave her a huge feast and free reign to travel around his kingdom and she immediately started planting bombs
What's the point of making a movie if the main character is a dickless traitorous homosexual the entire runtime?
>What's the point of making a movie if the main character is a dickless traitorous homosexual the entire runtime
What the frick are you talking a?
Yeah Im surprised by how not much of an evil butthole jerk Proximus actually was. Koba was 10x more ruthless and Woody Harrelson in 3 was Nazi concentration camp tier evil.
Proximus didn’t even indiscriminately kill the Eagle tripe apes and they seemed to be treated okay considering how they were press ganged into manual labor. They even had enough freedom to roam around the compound at night and were given adequate food rations. Not good but we all know Humans have a much nastier track record with slave labor.
Dawn had a much, much more nuanced exploration of the realities of diplomacy, ideology, and the step-by-step breakdown of relations and cycles of reprisal and a pretty good exploration of the associated moral quandaries and corners that are entrenched when they deteriorate. Caesar is a good leader because he understands those nuances. Theres not much of those nuances in Kingdom and Noah is hopelessly ignorant due to his background. He stumbles through much of the movie as he's baited into a conflict hes not prepared to deal with. The consequence of that is our hero frustratingly being at the will of two manipulators, except that the assigned antagonists of the movie BY FAR has Noah’s best interests at heart and as brutal as his future world may be it at least keeps them out of cages in zoos!!
If it was written by the same people that wrote Dawn then Noah would have confronted Mae HARD on her worldview and how she sees Apes in 1000 years. He does confront her on this issue at the end but he doesn’t press her hard enough because if he did they would have reached an impasse, and one of them would have to die. Either that or Mae is convinced to let the Apes rule, because there is NO way Noah would ever accept her plan of reversing the virus. Caesar would have made the tough decision to take the disk drive from her and kill Mae if necessary; Caesar understood he couldn’t allow their entire race to be enslaved once more.
I guess you homosexual pRedditors don't realize in a real life scenario, FRICK THOSE APES. But you're the same bleeding hearts that stand for squatters rights. Eat shit
>Ignoring the fact that Proximus explicitly said that he was planning to exterminate the human race
>f he got the locker with 5 guns.
I know the movie does a poor job of showing it, but if they had a small detachment of tanks and jeeps, I imagine theyd have a shit load more guns. Mae couldn't allow that damn monkey control of it and allow him to continue growing his tinpot kingdom into a full fledged empire.
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Whats kind of annoying with this series is how many Ls the Apes take every single movie and yet as the movies progress they are stronger every time because the virus does all the work for then.
Even in the latest movie Mae plays them all for chumps and the antagonist is just proven correct all along. She doesn’t even discard the memory drive or whatever that was she takes Noah’s peace offering and screws them over at the end anyways.
But we all know where this is going; we know the Apes are going to completely dominate and become close to as powerful as the humans were regardless, so whats the deal? It feels like this series is being dragged out way longer than it needs to be. We dont need to retread the same exact theme over and over again we frickin get it by now
We know the butthole apes are going to win in the end so lets see it happen for once
There's no way a few thousand apes could ever outmatch the 8 billion humans ok this earth. It would be utterly moronic to imagine a war where zoo apes could dominate every conflict.
Did you honestly want to watch zoo apes hack the Pentagon and launch all the nukes while the apes hide in bunkers and inherit the planet?
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SAY HIS WORD!
>the happy merchant reptilian is pleased
OP NOT APE
Mae literally saved his tribe and killed an ape with a gun to protect Noah.
You missed the part where she then killed half her tribe after Noa begged her not to?
She killed the apes imprisoning her and freed his clan.
Alright you homosexuals convinced me.
Watch Rise first. You'll get more out of it. Rise is also excellent.
Realistically (kek), the Orangutans and Gorillas would’ve been wiped out by the Chimps, and the Chimps would’ve either killed or subsumed the Bonobos. Considering there are only 2,000 Chimps in the entirety of the United States and like 150,000+ in Africa, Caesar isn’t that important.
I support Koba because the white filmmakers wanted me to side with Caesar's incrementalism instead of striving for radical self-determination
Reply to the post above if you side with Koba
Reply to the post below if you side with Caesar
Do not reply to this post or your ape mother will die in her sleep
I don't side with damn dirty apes.
both ape moronic.
How likely is it that Noah will be the main character of the next movie?
He’s literally called Noa, he will be Noah like how Caesar was Moses
Honestly, I hope they move on to another group. I think Noa's story is over and there isn't more to expand with him. I liked him, but I don't think he's someonoe we should follow for another movie. Of course, I also hope that we move on to another conflict style instead of protagonist seeking freedom for his tribe again.
Also, Koba not ape
Very, setting up intresting plot with him either learning to be the bigger monkey and letting bygones be bygones, unifying apekind, or just keeping to himself and his birds
Honestly i hope eagle clan comes back, theyre pretty neat
Apes together strong. Frick Koba.
I love Koba as a villain and his character in general, but I stand with Caesar
RAKA should be a film more centering on Oranguatan culture, like air nomads and monks, Eastern mysticism type shit
Caesar was unable to stop Koba and 99% of his tribe from killing and enslaving countless humans by locking them in cages and a bus.
Yet proximus is somehow a bad guy because his violent minions killed a small group of humans? Who went against his orders and mission and the humans were probably hostile on sight anyway?
Hes supposed to be the archtype of moron who shouldnt get more power cuz he'll squander it or blow himself up with it
I disagree, he had a more successful kingdom than caesar's. He was also very well educated and intelligent. All he had to do was train his soldiers better and not allow sloppy work or wanton violence
I guess my only issue is he gotta be less of a c**t to those he took over. Like damn, let the birdapes keep their birds god damn
The "NO!" in the first movie was such a great moment in the kinoplex
I knew he spoke at some point but I was expecting perfect English, like the twist would be he could speak the whole time. I'm glad they didn't do that and continued not doing that in the sequels.
Are you suggesting they are subverting talmudizing/protocol of Zioning even fictional chimp societies? Lol Oy gevalt
You frickers are actually siding with this moron over Caesar?
I'd rather live in eagle clan
but seriously...how did they do this?
Got a real studio to do the work instead of four Indians in a shed.
Seems crazy, but there was a time when CGI was more or less indistinguishable from reality.
That time is now, studios just aren't willing to pay for it.
that was the joke yes
CGI from the late 2000s to early 2010s is fricking unbelievable.
Go watch Transformers again, that shit still looks fantastic
Why are Orangutans so kino?
1. Big face flaps
2. They're orange
3. They're smarter than all the other apes in real life
4. They don't get their bonkers clonked for no reason like chimps
5. They're orange
> They're orange
It's in their name, ORANGE-utan
they just are
weta did the effects for the first 3 movies, they’re some of the best in the business
HIROMOOT LOVE ADVERTISER MORE THAN ANONS
Just watch the original films. Holy frick for a board that complains about remakes/reboots whatever you gobble up any slop they put out there.
>Just watch the original films.
based
The reboot trilogy brutally mogs the originals, sorry.
Kingdom of the Planet of the Feet (this post was brought to you by the Wikifeet Guild).
i hate you more than furries and trannies combined but i don't know why
you are a repressed foot fetishist. many such cases.
>Look her up
>She's younger than me
Goddamn I hate that im getting older. I feel so much younger than these people even though I'm they're senior
HUMANS HAVE BIG DICK, APE LITTLE DICK. HUMAN IS BEST!!!
Reddit meme based on a book reference which compared human erect and ape flaccid penis size
>which compared human erect and ape flaccid
Not what your picture says
I know bro, I posted a valid source
>centimeters
frick off with that commie shit
Here's more based primate penis info
Apples to oranges. Apes have penis bones and humans do not. Im sure apes get erect but nothing similar to human erections
Great apes have baculums 1 cm long bro, much smaller than Old World monkeys. They're vestigial. In humans the baculum has disappeared.
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>AM I FITTING IN GUYS
Everyone on the mixed wrestling forums is saying there's a hot chokehold scene in this. Is it actually good?
if an ape was truly intelligent it would realize it is hideous and its existence was a joke
intelligent machines will someday say the same about you. Dirty smelly ape.
AI will always be parrots
I rewatched the first movie of the 2010's trilogy and I cried last night realizing how beautiful it was,
I implore anyone to watch it
Apeussy
CEASER LOVE ISRAEL MORE THAN PALESTIEN
>itt anons analysing a talking monkey movie
Embrace the simian, brother.
Why can't HE be the Dalli Llama?
Do you think Koba is a gentle lover?
I don't think his dick worked, he had that impotent rage
repressed homosexual tendencies.
You put a male monkey in front of him, he'll tear that ass up.
CEASER LOVE PEPSI MORE THAN COKE
CAESAR LOVE PARTY MORE THAN PROLETARIATE
>Whiter than you, Mohammed
CEASER LOVE HOS MORE THAN BROS
CEASER LOVE VIET KONG MORE THAN AMERICA
CEASER IN LOVE WITH idea OF KOBA, NOT KOBA
CEASER HATE THE PLAYER NOT THE GAME
CEASER IN LOVE WITH THE COCO
CEASER IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT KOBA THE GREATEST APE OF ALL TIME
CEASER CHANGE, USED TO BE ABOUT THE MUSIC
Mutts would rather have their skin melted clean off than put vowels in the correct order.
CEASAR LIKE FEET MORE THAN BOOBS
CAESAR LIKE breasts MORE THAN ASS
I'm going to stand with Kobe now
Bryant
CAESAR LOVE LITTLE CAESARS MORE THAN PAPA JOHN