>called WINdam
>just can't stop losing
Why are naturals like this?
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>called WINdam. >just can't stop losing
>called WINdam
>just can't stop losing
Why are naturals like this?
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The person who decided to call them 'miss'iles is a genius.
Limited by the weakest link
the pilot
Don't care. I love its design despite its shit service record. Hope the movie actually makes it WIN.
>I love its design
It's just a Strike with longer antennae.
Yes. They refined it.
Bullshit. The Strike could keep up against ZAKUs and GOUFs. Windams get blasted in a second.
The Strike with Kira piloting it could keep up against ZAKUs and GOUFs. Windams get blasted by Shinn.
Strike Daggers could keep up with the GuAIZ despite being inferior units on paper and piloted by Naturals. Windams don't last a single fight. And that's despite side material claiming that...
>The Windam's M9409L beam rifle had far greater range and firepower than the MMI-M633 beam assault rifle of its hypothetical enemy, the ZAKU Warrior, and in a firefight it could outgun the ZAKU Warrior, with the exception of the Gunner ZAKU pack.
From what we see on screen, this is complete crap.
And it wasn't just Kira: Sven on the Strike Noir fought the Stargazer, an MS powered by hax, to a tie.
I mean Windam's can keep up with Freedom if they aren't piloted by total shitters. The problem is most EA pilots are shit and need massive OS assistance to even move their MS's.
>I mean Windam's can keep up with Freedom if they aren't piloted by total shitters.
The Windam can keep up with Freedom while piloted by an ace with "high spatial awareness" and Kira not really trying.
>The problem is most EA pilots are shit and need massive OS assistance to even move their MS's.
Again with this excuse. To repeat myself, Strike Daggers did a great job by themselves on the first war. There's no argument as to why the Windam is so awful. It just is.
In case you haven't paid attention to the news over the past few months, paper specs in military hardware are utterly worthless on a real battlefield.
The Strike Dagger's did good because they had two whole battles with no actual main characters around. Windam's did not have this once in Destiny. They were always deployed against either Shinn or Kira or both who mulched them effortlessly because that's what they do to grunts. Kira does the same thing to the Dagger's in Seed.
The Dagger's aren't better than Windam's, Seed just gave the Dagger's time to actually shine where as every single fight in Destiny the EA was involved in was a main character stompfest where every grunt was target practice
Come on, you and I know you are just making up excuses at this point. Just accept it's a complete piece of garbage machine and be done with it. Not even the Leo gives such poor performance.
Also, work on your English plurals, for frick's sake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Greengrocers'_apostrophes
No because it's not a piece of garbage any more than any other grunt is against an MC.
More crap excuses. "boo hoo hoo its a good machine it just gets blasted by named characters waah waah". Stop it. You're making an ass of yourself.
There's a number of mass-produced machines that gave a good showing: the Jegan, the Flag, the ZAKU, the Graze, the Demi. I could do a list all night long. Windam isn't in it.
What did the Windam ever do to hurt you?
It couldn't score a win.
Windam can't hurt anyone, it's a jobber.
It broke Freedom's shield which sounds like nothing until you realize it was the first time in Destiny anyone had caused even cosmetic damage to Kira
Mwu is a fricking Newtype. He could've done that with a Skygrasper.
He lost to Duel in the Skygrasper so trying to go up against Freedom he'd get swatted right out of the sky.
>Lost to Duel
That supposed to be a dig? Yzak has actual skills.
He lost to Duel in the Skygrasper and Duel immediately got wrecked by Freedom afterwards. So thinking he could go up against Freedom in the Skygrasper and not get pasted in seconds is just being absurd.
He lasted a good while against Rau while on Strike and that guy gave Kira trouble. Windam is equivalent to Strike spec-wise so he'll be able to hold his own for more than just "seconds."
The Windam has an improved PS system and better battery so he might be more liberal with energy. Possibly better.
That's not even a fair fight when a lot of mass produced MS and a gundam ganging up on him, and skygrasper wasn't even shot down.
But he wasn't evil that time, once you switch sides to the bad guys you're suddenly more competent in all regards.
That's not how it works in Seed. Note how Team Shinn started sucking horribly once they became the bad guys
They were bad guys from the beginning.
>once you switch sides to the bad guys you're suddenly more competent in all regards
>fricking Fa in the Methuss manages to take her on and come out pretty decent
Reccoa was no better than she was in AEUG she just had a better MS
According to official sourse it's zaku wrecker else where, it's only get cucked minerva team, and arch angel team. I wonder if zaft force on earth will them use after the war.
>only dominating other grunts offscreen
lol
War wins with either average soldier with good machine and good planing or freedom and justice plus meteor units, buddy.
ENGLISH, MOTHERFRICKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
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Finally made a new thread on the correct board this time, huh?
Man, Dagger's were so much cooler. Remember when Daggers first showed up and just ran a rape train.
And then they got raped by a bunch of pissy coordinators. Was Panama when shit flew off the rails in the Bloody Valentine War?
Panama was the battle where ZAFT deploys a massive EMP to wreck the Alliance's mass driver to cut off an easy route for them to get to space.
Depending on your definition, shit flew off the rails several times. The war opened with one of the PLANTs getting nuked, then after that there was a microwave trap on the moon, then nothing for a long while, then another microwave trap in Alaska, and then Panama took place shortly after that. Some time later the space fortress Boaz gets showered with nukes when the NJC tech got leaked to the EA. Later ZAFT reveals GENESIS which had the capability to annihilate all life on Earth, or close to it.
Funny cause on paper the Windam are one of of if not they most powerful grunts in the setting in that time, but they're no match for the protagonist Gundam's so that's was the end of that.
Mu/Neo's use shows that a sufficiently good pilot could keep up even with the Freedom, though Kira was confused and holding back because he could sense there's something weird about Neo.
Yeah but once Kira decided to end things and arranged for AA to pick up Neo he dropped Neo in about 1 second.
Is this an edit? I don't remember the backpack looking like that
It's the Windam with the Aile striker pack. Most of the Windams you see in the show have the Jet striker pack instead for flying in Earth's atmosphere. Supposedly a few Aile Windams are seen in the show as well, but no idea when or where.
I noticed that, even though it's technically capable, there are no Sword Windams or Launcher Windams anywhere, but we do see a couple of Launcher 105 Daggers on Heaven's Base. Probably the EA considered it wasn't worth the effort when the Windam is capable enough as it is.
And, if you want to get technical, it's also compatible with the other Striker Packs: IWSP, Noir, Gunbarrel, plus the Orb packs and the more obscure ones, like the Testament's Divine Striker or those shitty ones on the Raigo Gundam.
>even though it's technically capable, there are no Sword Windams or Launcher Windams anywhere
Do the shoulder parts even fit on the Windam's shoulders? Or does it rearrange some parts like the Strike E Sword version?
I vaguely remember there being another suit that could equip the launcher parts but because the shoulder was incompatible, it resorted to a set of addon rails behind the actual shoulder to mount the shoulder parts. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
>another suit that could equip the launcher parts but because the shoulder was incompatible, it resorted to a set of addon rails behind the actual shoulder
Also the Strike E.
Various striker packs don't work because of the shoulders. But they have replacements.
Is there any reason why the Raigo Gundam didn't receive any kind of upgrade/sidegrade? Feel like every original MS introduced in Astray is going to have a variant, a mass-production version, or even a clone. The Raigo and Astray Green didn't have anything, and on paper, the former doesn't look too bad. Increasing the capability of the Striker Packs sounds like a good idea.
Seems to be that in CE, East Asia is the runt of the Alliance blocs so any suit developed or affiliated from there is just forgotten.
Zaft cares too much about their ms protection that their's ms in general is heavier than EA because of more armor(with no ps lol), but everyone else on that time uses beam weapon on regular basis.
Seed Freedom will feature a Windam piloted by a GOAT pulling a Bylarant Custom and the homosexual above me will gnash his teeth to dust.
On the contrary. Windams being a worthless unit that never get an on-screen kill are one of those jokes the producers won't fail to do, just like that character voiced by Houko Kuwashima being marked for death.
Side materials will tell you it’s a pretty good grunt suit. Some people will argue that it’s a case of things being good on paper but not in practice. I think the more likely reason is that the show needed a jobber suit to mow down and unfortunately the windam got that role. It’s like the GM sniper II. Literally jobs in the one time it appeared on screen despite it being a pretty good grunt suit.
Wouldn't Murasame be considered the best grunt suit instead? It's faster when transformed into plane mode and has the honor of rekking Chaos Gundam.
The Second Stage Gundams aren't worth shit.
Only Impulse was above average, and that was because of Shinn.
The Gundams aren't the problem. It's the pilots once again. Extendeds are watered down druggies and it shows with their jobbing.
what about athrun?
What about him?
In the end, everything was Durandal's plan: he gave Phantom Pain a good bone by allowing them to steal the three disposable Second Stage units (because he knew the Extended were worthless as pilots); and kept Impulse and Saviour, the two decent ones, for his hand-picked pilots.
I always assumed it was part of his plan to make Shinn and Minerva his personal Kira and AA by making them go through similar motions. Kira had to fight stolen Gundam's so now Shinn does too. Athrun was like a half hearted backup plan and also just to get him away from the actual Kira so he wouldn't be tempted to sign up with him instead which is what Athrun almost did to begin with.
>Athrun was like a half hearted backup plan
Durandal needed Athrun in order to replicate the thing he had with Lacus to further control Meer. Remember she was obsessed with them.
>and also just to get him away from the actual Kira so he wouldn't be tempted to sign up with him instead which is what Athrun almost did to begin with.
It was already established that Athrun was fully on Kira's side from the first show's finale. Athrun just going to Durandal's side is fricking stupid writing no matter how you slice it.
No, you've got that all messed up.
>called WINDam
>bc it blows
It begs the question that if it's such a high performance machine, that the Windam wasn't being handed out to aces like Morgan Chevalier. As MSV has shown, the EA isn't completely out of aces of their own.
Does he even play a part in the later Astray stories set during Destiny's time? All I can find is that he shows up with a blue Exus and that's it.
The databook writers -know- the Windam has a poor showing, so to make it a more interesting machine to fill databook articles about, they say it's better than it appears and wins battles offscreen, and give it some soft advantages in the form of things that are sorta hard to establish from animation but are reasonable to assume, like the Jet pack giving the Windam great aerial maneuverability compared to ZAFT's non-flight-specialized MS like the BABI, and the idea that its long beam rifle can outrange the more moderately sized beam rifles used by the ZAKUs but still gets beat out by gunner wizard.
It's not really hard to establish in animation because like people said, Neo makes the Windam freaking dance and matches both Impulse and even Freedom with it, it's just that literally every other Windam other than his is piloted by a shitter no face who gets wasted by Shinn or Kira. But that's not really a knock against the actual Windam because those no name shitters are useless in every thing they use, even Destroy's of all things.
>Military contracts go out to the lowest bidder.
Incorrect. They go out to whoever lobbied congress the hardest (In the US at least).
I forgot, did it also job in the Divers series? Or did the Elnora Windams actually put up a decent fight?
>Exus striker in the vein of Gunbarrel Striker
>even repurposes the Exus' twin guns as shoulder guns
Motherfrick that's a cool idea for a custom, I hated how the gatling gun on the gunbarrel striker awkwardly points backward and wasn't really useful after docking.
This thing's been getting a lot of love lately. It's in one of the current SD Gachas.
>imagine the SEED movie having a Windam successor named "LOSEdam"
>ends up winning a lot
I'd change the name to DamDam to make it less obvious.
>Not DameDame
It's WINDam because it can fly, not WINdam.